FabSwingers.com forum: Anyone planning to not get vaccinated at all?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

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By *eau and ArrowCouple
over a year ago

Bromsgrove

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over a year ago

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By *irtyd468Man
over a year ago

North

Ive had both of my jabs. They are doing really well here as they have now started to vaccinate 18 year olds in some parts of Wales

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Not planning to atm. I'm also not happy to let my kids have it atm.

I'd like to know how many people have not responded to their texts from doctors countrywide. Or who have decided not to have one. The only reason being that I'm interested.

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

Another stupid arbitrary statement. If you actually know, fair enough. If your just repeating instabollocks, don’t

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By *aughtybynature73Couple
over a year ago

shrewsbury

I work for the NHS had both of my with no problems others than a sore arm. A few work colleagues won't be having theirs due to planning to start a family. But it seems the vacine is working and offering more protection than originally thought. Cases have dropped . Its personal choice to have it or not have .

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I work for the NHS had both of my with no problems others than a sore arm. A few work colleagues won't be having theirs due to planning to start a family. But it seems the vacine is working and offering more protection than originally thought. Cases have dropped . Its personal choice to have it or not have ."

Why is that? Does it affect fertility?

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By *aughtybynature73Couple
over a year ago

shrewsbury

Not sure. I suppose people feel vacine could effect pregnancy or growing baby. And I agree it's not a chance I'd like to take either. On saying that two work colleagues were pregnant and covid positive and both have since had beautiful healthy babies x

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Not sure. I suppose people feel vacine could effect pregnancy or growing baby. And I agree it's not a chance I'd like to take either. On saying that two work colleagues were pregnant and covid positive and both have since had beautiful healthy babies x"

Same. I was wondering if they'd been any suggestions by scientists if they'd been any risks.

Good news about your colleagues

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

Saw this the other day and it suggests that the vaccine would be beneficial...hope its OK to post this link..

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-women-of-childbearing-age-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

No, probably not. I have done my research about it. I like one doctors last message, whatever you do, make sure you inform yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?"

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money"

Or a virus that mutates as they all do so just like every year when the flu jab is altered the science is saying we need to try and keep on top of it rather than end up like we were this time last year..

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I was resilient about this vacines but i ended up in have it , first vaccine was January the 23th and second was in March the 26th

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"

Do you have scientific research to back up your data of that the vaccine doesn't do anything because I don't have any either but I'll can see that those who at the age of 65 and above are no longer dying but then again the number of deaths is more than just very low so it must be a miracle because it can't be a silly vaccine can it

hope you see Sense one day before it's too late or remember those who said how lucky they have been since having the vaccine rather than being at deaths door

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money"

So when you have a headache and you take paracetamol or ibuprofen you expect that you will never have a headache again or need to take either pain relief.

Be good if that work for alcohol as well.

Get pissed once and you never have to buy booze again, you just get the high.

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"
. Why are you saying the vaccine doesn’t protect us when it does it’s not 100% no vaccine is 100% yesterday 4 deaths and under 2000 new cases doesn’t that say to you that the vaccine is doing something and what is the big deal be about having a booster jab to keep this Virus under control we have a flu jab really don’t see what the big deal is and all the conspiracy nonsense it’s just a Corvid virus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had my first and second is due early next month, I was quite apprehensive to start with but I felt it better to go with it based on information I'd read extensively

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

hope you see Sense one day before it's too late or remember those who said how lucky they have been since having the vaccine rather than being at deaths door "

But the thing is that none of us really have any research either way, they don't even fully tell us openly what the vaccine even contrains, yes in UK infections have dropped but other parts of Europe have the virus above the peak despite lockdowns and big rates of vaccinations

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Second one tomorrow

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Yet drinking alcohol and smoking can make a person infertile but can also pass on anything else to an unborn child as well as drugs or medication

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

Europe is way behind us with the vaccination program Whether you want to see it or not the vaccination program is working

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

hope you see Sense one day before it's too late or remember those who said how lucky they have been since having the vaccine rather than being at deaths door

Just like most medication it's a million to one chance nobody ever knows and also can effect people differently for long term

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Second one tomorrow "

Good luck chick,

I'm about 2 weeks to go for 1st

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Europe is way behind us with the vaccination program Whether you want to see it or not the vaccination program is working"

But Hungary and Chile in South America has huge vaccinations for their population and still have a huge number of infections, actually bigger. It's hard to trust the tories but even Boris said that infections in UK dropped due to lockdowns not vaccinations.

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

"Europe is way behind us with the vaccination program Whether you want to see it or not the vaccination program is working

I am unlikely to take a vaccine at least anytime soon, if I would ever take one... it would be for travel only but still too hard to trust it especially when they're being suspended in some countries after some time. So I choose to wait at least but something doesn't seem right for sure"
. If you look hard enough you’ll always find some conspiracy or something it’s a worldwide problem how could it be anything other than what it is a virus 35 million vaccinations I don’t see people dying from it it’s only doing good

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

hope you see Sense one day before it's too late or remember those who said how lucky they have been since having the vaccine rather than being at deaths door

Look at Israel..

Look how the numbers have dropped here since the start of Jan, yes there was lockdown but every scientific source is saying the same that the vaccine is cutting transmission, hospitalisation and subsequently deaths..

To try and say it doesn't protect us is quite frankly bollocks or there's trolling going on..

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Europe is way behind us with the vaccination program Whether you want to see it or not the vaccination program is working

Yes the transmission to pass on to others went low due to lockdown but also limited it to those who couldn't work from home and all the others that could which is how you control a virus from spreading, I remember as a child if a child was Ill no matter what you were sent home so it didn't spread throughout the whole school,. .. the lockdown prevented maybe a considerable number of deaths but also no further added pressure on the hospital's which kept people safe now then there was the vaccine to continue to support in keeping a person safe

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Second one tomorrow

Good luck chick,

I'm about 2 weeks to go for 1st"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Europe is way behind us with the vaccination program Whether you want to see it or not the vaccination program is working

I am unlikely to take a vaccine at least anytime soon, if I would ever take one... it would be for travel only but still too hard to trust it especially when they're being suspended in some countries after some time. So I choose to wait at least but something doesn't seem right for sure. If you look hard enough you’ll always find some conspiracy or something it’s a worldwide problem how could it be anything other than what it is a virus 35 million vaccinations I don’t see people dying from it it’s only doing good "

Actually the thing is, my cousin's friend has his father that ended up in hospital after vaccine. I am not into any conspiracies but just always listen to both sides as you never know if conspiracy is really conspiracy unless it's proven wrong

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

So what did he end up in hospital with was it anything to do with the vaccine ??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So what did he end up in hospital with was it anything to do with the vaccine ??"

A day after in the morning, seemed like some sort of reaction after it

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

First one today, probably the experimental one in the trial

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By *perfectpair5050Couple
over a year ago

marlbourgh

It is possible to have a bad reaction to the vaccine that’s an individual thing you can have a reaction from taking any medication

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Apparently the vaccine is made from a virus similar to the SARS but not the actual virus of SARS so basically it's nothing any different to the flu vaccines besides with these it can be difficult to know which flu is around at one given time but the vaccine boosts the immune system so it's able to react and protect...... Similar to exercise to maintain a healthy immune system so it's able to react when viruses are present at winter the function of the human body is very important to maintain a good circulation can also delay an impact and give time if needed to save a life for those trying to save it

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

I won’t be having it

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

I’m not having itb

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"

Not a regular to the many 'virus' vaccine posts then I think OP?

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"I’m not having itb

Are you going to agree to take a test though?

That's a far more important thing I think.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Europe is way behind us with the vaccination program Whether you want to see it or not the vaccination program is working

Social distancing rules were arguably not enforced or followed as strictly and with the same rigeur let's say as some other countries in Europe..

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

"I’m not having itb

Are you going to agree to take a test though?

That's a far more important thing I think. "

Already do twice weekly so that’s enough to justify no vaccine

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Copied from The Times, you had to pay to read the rest.

The ONS social survey found that, overall, only one person in 100 offered vaccination had declined, but with variation between age groups. The figure for those aged 30-49 was 5 per cent; for the 50-69s it was 2 per cent, and for the over-70s it was less than 1 per cent.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"I’m not having itb

Are you going to agree to take a test though?

That's a far more important thing I think.

Already do twice weekly so that’s enough to justify no vaccine "

I'd argue it doesn't justify it.. But it certainly helps everyone else know where they stand which is what we all need right now..

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I’m not having itb

Are you going to agree to take a test though?

That's a far more important thing I think.

Already do twice weekly so that’s enough to justify no vaccine

I'd argue it doesn't justify it.. But it certainly helps everyone else know where they stand which is what we all need right now.. "

Hang on you said testing is far more important. Make your mind up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How would we all feel if everyone had chosen not to have a vaccine?

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By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland

I've swerved it.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"How would we all feel if everyone had chosen not to have a vaccine?"

Well we would either be in a whole heap of shit by now or.. Somehow it would have 'righted' itself..and all the boffins proved wrong

I'd say on balance most of the population agreeing to it was probably the best way to deal with it..

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Got my second today Thursday, making sure I protect myself

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"

Have you been on the loopy juice? All evidence points to the vaccine working better than predicted.

Where the hell did you hear that it doesn't protect us? I'd love your source.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Europe is way behind us with the vaccination program Whether you want to see it or not the vaccination program is working

But there death and hospitalisation rates are down! That is the key.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have had both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just come in from a shift and came across this thread and it's hard to believe the bollox some people believe. Of course the vaccine has a benefit, a great benefit. Fucking wankers. Also protection comes from everyone having it, to cut transmission to more vulnerable. Let's not forget that could be you, unknowingly. It's selfish to take the i'll be alright Jack stance.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money"

The latest evidence shows 97% effectiveness across a whole population, including people with poor immune systems, which is really positive. Further vaccinations are an idea to keep immunity very high, whilst many countries will still be struggling and mutations can happen. The Oxford vaccine is a not for profit jab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

"I've just come in from a shift and came across this thread and it's hard to believe the bollox some people believe. Of course the vaccine has a benefit, a great benefit. Fucking wankers. Also protection comes from everyone having it, to cut transmission to more vulnerable. Let's not forget that could be you, unknowingly. It's selfish to take the i'll be alright Jack stance. "
had our 2nd jabs today and feel relieved, can't believe that ppl not having the jab. It DOES work there is proof of this

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By *incsladyandscotsmanCouple
over a year ago

North fife

It's personal choice wither to have it or not. It's our right to decide what we have injected into our bodies. Once in it cannot come out.

Check out the The nuremberg code.

I respect people if they have taken it or not. It is entirely down to the individual.

Mass media, social media and mass hysteria should never be used to influence people's judgement.

I for one have felt this coercion towards taking the vaccine. Its out of order.

I'm quite happy being around vaccinated or not vaccinated people.

Keep smiling everyone.

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By *leasure4leisureMan
over a year ago

south

"Not planning to atm. I'm also not happy to let my kids have it atm.

I'd like to know how many people have not responded to their texts from doctors countrywide. Or who have decided not to have one. The only reason being that I'm interested. "

But why ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Holding back and relying on my 99.95% immune system work, may have the 90% jab if i have to but only if my immune system fails.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those who don't want it personal choice..

As a vaccinator... a few less for me to do as it heavy going.

As a nurse I have to have so many vaccines just to do my job..I have to think of others and myself.

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By *leasure4leisureMan
over a year ago

south

"I’m not having itb

Are you going to agree to take a test though?

That's a far more important thing I think.

Already do twice weekly so that’s enough to justify no vaccine "

How and why ?

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bexley

What worries me is the extreme respone anyone who's worried about the vaccine gets here and elsewhere. We all have reasons for our actions/inactions so let's not behavie like judge jury and executioner just because others happen to disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What worries me is the extreme respone anyone who's worried about the vaccine gets here and elsewhere. We all have reasons for our actions/inactions so let's not behavie like judge jury and executioner just because others happen to disagree.

I Don't have an issue with people who won't have it.

I have an issue them saying if they then can't do what they wont then its discrimination.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring. "

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

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By *ed velvet thornWoman
over a year ago

over the rainbow

Can I play devils advocate here

So say I refuse to having the jab and im a carrier of the virus and I meet someone who has been vacinated but can still carry it who then goes to a club or party or even private meet with yourself...... how would you know ..... the person your meeting is vaccinated to a point so would you be safe or still at risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?"

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

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By *andlingswingersCouple
over a year ago

Woodbridge

Why is this fiction anti-vaxer BS even allowed to be posted? "We know it doesn't work" is, not to mince words, total and utter crap with no scientific basis of any kind whatsoever.

It does save time reading anything else the poster has to say though.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"It's personal choice wither to have it or not. It's our right to decide what we have injected into our bodies. Once in it cannot come out.

Check out the The nuremberg code.

I respect people if they have taken it or not. It is entirely down to the individual.

Mass media, social media and mass hysteria should never be used to influence people's judgement.

I for one have felt this coercion towards taking the vaccine. Its out of order.

I'm quite happy being around vaccinated or not vaccinated people.

Keep smiling everyone.

How long do you think the vaccine stays in your body?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?"

You mean the tests that will cost companies time and money?

Would you be prepared to pay for every test yourself? And the staff required to process the extra work?

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over a year ago

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

You mean the tests that will cost companies time and money?

Would you be prepared to pay for every test yourself? And the staff required to process the extra work? "

Exactly, who is going to pay for that choice?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry. "

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well."

Would you also be happy to pay more in entrance fees to venues in order to pay for the extra staff they would need?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well.

Would you also be happy to pay more in entrance fees to venues in order to pay for the extra staff they would need? "

How do you mean? If places have to get staff in to actually do the tests?

I don't think venues have said how they will manage the testing yet so this is all 'what ifs' atm. I will wait and see before I decide what to do. I'm in no rush to go out, out just yet anyway.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well.

Would you also be happy to pay more in entrance fees to venues in order to pay for the extra staff they would need?

How do you mean? If places have to get staff in to actually do the tests?

I don't think venues have said how they will manage the testing yet so this is all 'what ifs' atm. I will wait and see before I decide what to do. I'm in no rush to go out, out just yet anyway. "

Yes, that's what I mean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For interest, this is someone I converse with and trust...

"For anyone interested, my covid immunity result just prior to my vaccination was

Roche Anti-SARS-CoV-2 S Antibodies found 55.30 U/m

and now around 3 weeks post first vaccination

Roche Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies found 2500 U/mL"

That ought to show the beneficial effect to those wavering. This guy had the virus, hence the 55 reading BEFORE vaxx. That's a 45X improvement after 1 dose. It's only important if 'having more antibodies= more risk' in a person's mind. It's not in mine.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well.

Would you also be happy to pay more in entrance fees to venues in order to pay for the extra staff they would need?

How do you mean? If places have to get staff in to actually do the tests?

I don't think venues have said how they will manage the testing yet so this is all 'what ifs' atm. I will wait and see before I decide what to do. I'm in no rush to go out, out just yet anyway.

Yes, that's what I mean. "

Then my answer is above. Plus I'm pretty sure most restaurant's will put their prices up to cover that anyway if it becomes a thing. So even vaccinated people will have to pay more, unless they produce 2 menus, which obviously won't happen.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well.

Would you also be happy to pay more in entrance fees to venues in order to pay for the extra staff they would need?

How do you mean? If places have to get staff in to actually do the tests?

I don't think venues have said how they will manage the testing yet so this is all 'what ifs' atm. I will wait and see before I decide what to do. I'm in no rush to go out, out just yet anyway.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Or they just add a surcharge to those people that are unvaccinated.

Or, better yet, put them on the naughty table

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well.

Would you also be happy to pay more in entrance fees to venues in order to pay for the extra staff they would need?

How do you mean? If places have to get staff in to actually do the tests?

I don't think venues have said how they will manage the testing yet so this is all 'what ifs' atm. I will wait and see before I decide what to do. I'm in no rush to go out, out just yet anyway.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Or they just add a surcharge to those people that are unvaccinated.

Or, better yet, put them on the naughty table

Like when they give you the chip and pin machine instead of saying 'would you like to add a gratuity' (or whatever it is, I can't remember it's been so long)

it might say 'have you and your party been vaccinated?'. Lol

I suppose there's options, none of which will be good for business.

I don't mind the naughty table

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

hope you see Sense one day before it's too late or remember those who said how lucky they have been since having the vaccine rather than being at deaths door

Where are you coming up with this guff? Everything you have stated as fact is incorrect. I can appreciate people may be hesitant for their own reasons. But don't come out with this no evidence it works... There is. In fact lots of it.

Or they don't tel us what's in it.. They do. It says it on the gov website amongst others.

Please I form yourself and if after informing yourself you still are unsure... Well that's fine.

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By *oneybeesCouple
over a year ago

Worcs, West Midlands

Had our first now, waiting on our second. You'd be stupid not to, it's just like being administered the flu jab, it's something that we will live with now and into the future so get used to it. It'll likely save your life one day so it's your choice

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I find it interesting that yes of course it is a choice but as has been pointed out before choices have consequences sometimes.

I have a friend who has said that she is undecided if she will have the vaccine.

One of her reasons is that she's just had a baby and is breastfeeding so is reluctant and is not sure if she will have it once she stops.

I asked her what she would do if it prevented her doing certain things.

Her answer was it's her choice whether to have it and if that means not being able to fly or go to certain events then that's fine she won't go.

I totally respect that opinion but what I don't get is people who say well I don't think I should have it but I'm not prepared to accept any consequences that may bring.

Did you tell your friend she will be able to do those things if she is happy to test?

We don't know that yet!

We have no idea what other countries and individual business will choose to do.

I know iv had an email from a company that has made it clear ni vaccine no entry.

There's a lot of things we don't know yet but there has been talk of vaccine passports and/or testing as I'm sure you're aware.

To answer the other question that was directed at me, yes I'd pay for the tests. And I expect as a household when we get a tax increase we will of sorts pay for other things as well.

Would you also be happy to pay more in entrance fees to venues in order to pay for the extra staff they would need?

How do you mean? If places have to get staff in to actually do the tests?

I don't think venues have said how they will manage the testing yet so this is all 'what ifs' atm. I will wait and see before I decide what to do. I'm in no rush to go out, out just yet anyway.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Or they just add a surcharge to those people that are unvaccinated.

Or, better yet, put them on the naughty table

Like when they give you the chip and pin machine instead of saying 'would you like to add a gratuity' (or whatever it is, I can't remember it's been so long)

it might say 'have you and your party been vaccinated?'. Lol

I suppose there's options, none of which will be good for business.

I don't mind the naughty table

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By *illnatMan
over a year ago

wherever i need to be

Vaccination doesn’t mean that you are immune however it means that you have a better chance of fighting the virus and stopping it being as bad by creating antibodies to fight it. I think that a lot of folk are thinking that once they have it they should be immune to covids effect but vaccines don’t work that way. Look at tetanus as an example... technically every ten years you need a booster. I Really can’t wait for the second jag.. might mean some form of normality. Already had my first as I have elderly parent with health conditions.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I think the response is one of frustration where it clearly is factual nonsense. It's frustrating that even now people seem unable to do the tiniest bit of research to arm themselves with some of the basic facts. For someone to claim there is no evidence that vaccines work is either deliberately misinforning people or frustratingly from someone who hasn't notice the numbers are significantly lower now than pre vaccine.

If people were to come on here and claim there is no evidence that bareback sex might lead to sti we would rightly challenge that as well.

If people are hesitant and have informed themselves then that is fair enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 49, not even been offered it!

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I'm 49, not even been offered it!"

You have to book it on the nhs website.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

If people were to come on here and claim there is no evidence that bareback sex might lead to sti we would rightly challenge that as well.

If people are hesitant and have informed themselves then that is fair enough. "

I think the problem is that they do go looking - but don't know how to distinguish between facts and utter bollocks

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

This is a bit of a dishonest framing of the situation. People don't get a hostile response just for being 'worried' about the vaccine.

They get a hostile response for claiming it doesn't work, or for saying that they won't take it because of this or that debunked reason.

If someone is worried about the vaccine they can speak to a medical professional and have their concerns addressed. It's not a reason to immediately jump to 'well I'll never take it'.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

This is a bit of a dishonest framing of the situation. People don't get a hostile response just for being 'worried' about the vaccine.

They get a hostile response for claiming it doesn't work, or for saying that they won't take it because of this or that debunked reason.

If someone is worried about the vaccine they can speak to a medical professional and have their concerns addressed. It's not a reason to immediately jump to 'well I'll never take it'. "

That's what I was trying to say.,

Actually from what I've seen... The vaccine hesitant get quite a lot of support and help on here now.... Not always true 9 months ago admittedly.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

I just don’t want it and it’s as simple as that

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By *aughtycp1Couple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Had one and it made my chest feel really funny. I'm not having another. I wish I hadn't had the first one x

Mrs N

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Had one and it made my chest feel really funny. I'm not having another. I wish I hadn't had the first one x

Mrs N"

Have you reported to the Yellow Card scheme and discussed with your GP? It's obviously important to learn about the reactions people have to ascertain if it is in fact causative due to the vaccine or correlation, i.e coincidence that another condition has arisen around the time of the vaccine.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Had one and it made my chest feel really funny. I'm not having another. I wish I hadn't had the first one x

Mrs N"

That could very well be anxiety about the vaccine, as advised above, you should see your GP.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I just don’t want it and it’s as simple as that "

Hopefully you'll be perfectly happy to accept the consequences of such a decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"
id rather not for sure !

but could it really be more damaging to my health then what I’ve been polluting my body with in the last year stuck in doors going literally stir crazy ? But if it’s a choice between a holiday and getting vaccinated I’m probably going to go with getting vaccinated!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money"

What absolute bollocks

No vaccine is ever 100% effective. I have had 3 attempts at hep b jabs and they didn't provide enough anti bodies so now I just have to be careful!

People have the flu jab every year because variants change.

You have to have boosters for tetanus and other vaccinations.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?id rather not for sure !

How are you polluting your body by staying indoors exactly? Also, you've been allowed to go out...just not to the pub mainly

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Had one and it made my chest feel really funny. I'm not having another. I wish I hadn't had the first one x

Mrs N"

Guess how covid made thousands of peoples chests feel!

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By *heEvilWithinWoman
over a year ago

Barnsley

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

hope you see Sense one day before it's too late or remember those who said how lucky they have been since having the vaccine rather than being at deaths door

When you go to get the vaccination it lists the ingredients. This is because of recent groups *cough* cults starting groups about anti vaccinations and saying they don't know what the ingredients are. If you went for your vaccination or asked about it you'd know that.

I personally am not going to say my view because I've already had enough abuse about it. However all of you that aren't. It isn't about you. It's about those who can't have it for medical reasons. Like when we abolished TB in the UK and because of anti vax groups it's now back. The same way that mother wouldn't give her child the vitamin k injection and her brain literally boiled.

It's about time smart people made smart decisions instead of calling everyone (who wants to have the vaccination and protect others) sheep. I just find it so ridiculous. Stop reading Facebook and fake news stories. We don't know if the vac will be one hundred percent accurate because they didn't have long enough to study it. But numbers are dropping and less people are dying. Why wouldn't you take a chance on that?

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By *ewfie02Couple
over a year ago

Ayrshire

The only reason why we had our jabs was to increase the government numbers. This government will not let us go back to having a normal life until they have vaccinated everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?id rather not for sure !

How are you polluting your body by staying indoors exactly? Also, you've been allowed to go out...just not to the pub mainly

to put it simple partying far to much ! But anyway yeah your right you could leave your house during the day

obviously I’m not implying I was locked up

but up until 3 weeks ago we wer stuck to a 5km limit !

and with no social activities it’s easy to get in to a rut with drink etc !

Literally just to pass the days !

I’m not 100% on this I’m sure you can clarify but is it true you must have a card proving you have been vaccinated to travel even just to places in Europe ? That’s true right ??

It’s the only reason I’d consider it !

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?id rather not for sure !

How are you polluting your body by staying indoors exactly? Also, you've been allowed to go out...just not to the pub mainly

to put it simple partying far to much ! But anyway yeah your right you could leave your house during the day

obviously I’m not implying I was locked up

but up until 3 weeks ago we wer stuck to a 5km limit !

and with no social activities it’s easy to get in to a rut with drink etc !

Literally just to pass the days !

I’m not 100% on this I’m sure you can clarify but is it true you must have a card proving you have been vaccinated to travel even just to places in Europe ? That’s true right ??

It’s the only reason I’d consider it !

They'll put it on your tescos rewards card.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?id rather not for sure !

How are you polluting your body by staying indoors exactly? Also, you've been allowed to go out...just not to the pub mainly

to put it simple partying far to much ! But anyway yeah your right you could leave your house during the day

obviously I’m not implying I was locked up

but up until 3 weeks ago we wer stuck to a 5km limit !

and with no social activities it’s easy to get in to a rut with drink etc !

Literally just to pass the days !

I’m not 100% on this I’m sure you can clarify but is it true you must have a card proving you have been vaccinated to travel even just to places in Europe ? That’s true right ??

It’s the only reason I’d consider it !

They'll put it on your tescos rewards card. "

Tescos ? Doubt it mate not here anyway ! Na I’m pretty sure over this way it’s gonna be stamped on the back of your lidl vouchers !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money

Sorry but seriously? you seriously believe they do this for free?

They get paid milions for it and treat it as a bussiness, even a doctor that was trying to convince me to get vaccinated told me that

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

Both of us are completely healthy, not over 60 and not obese. There is a miniscule chance of us catching covid at all. There is 86% chance of us not having any symptoms whatsoever if we do manage to catch it.

With them odds - us passing it on to anyone who may be vulnerable (also granted that most vulnerable people in our area are already vaccinated with both shots) are next to a zero.

So no, we will not be taking this vaccine for at least next 3-4 years or however long it takes to get the long term effect studies out.

We both made that choice after considering all pros and cons, reading many studies and well... seeing after effects of vaccines as well as covid itself from many people we know.

I truly believe people who have illnesses, are of older age and are curvy (obese) should absolutely take their shots as it has been very effective at protecting them and we all need to keep them safe.

Healthy people done their duty with being in lockdown - some sacrificed their social life, others sacrificed their jobs, homes, life and sanity so it's time for the vulnerable to think about others and get the shot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And currently pregnant women are being fast tracked as 1 there is no issue with Pfizer or Nova. And 2 catching vivid while pregnant is way more serious than normal

Please keep up with current data and recommendations

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over a year ago

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money

Sorry but seriously? you seriously believe they do this for free?

They get paid milions for it and treat it as a bussiness, even a doctor that was trying to convince me to get vaccinated told me that"

Not for profit is not the same as "doing it for free"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*covid feckin auto correct!

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I'd rather not be vaccinated. I think there is too much uncertainty about long term side effects etc.

I have a preference to try to keep my body as "natural" as realistically possible.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I'd rather not be vaccinated. I think there is too much uncertainty about long term side effects etc.

I have a preference to try to keep my body as "natural" as realistically possible."

I've seen you d*unk!

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"I'd rather not be vaccinated. I think there is too much uncertainty about long term side effects etc.

I have a preference to try to keep my body as "natural" as realistically possible.

I've seen you d*unk!"

Erm.... my drink must of been spiked that night

I blame that dodgy Seduced lady...

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By *ihimbiherCouple
over a year ago

lightwater

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

Well said!

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?"

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By *ihimbiherCouple
over a year ago

lightwater

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?

Well said!

What proof do you have that the vaccine doesn't protect people when all of the evidence says the opposite?"

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

Had my first one yesterday- head has been fucked from mid morning . No energy at all. Arm is killing. Managed to do a gym session at 6am, felt ok a bit tired then just like a tonne of bricks it hit me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"
already declined mine until its proven 100% safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if you're healthy enough,then your immune system can fight covid off,the same as it does with other viruses.

I'm not getting my jabs at the present time as I'd like to see what happens with side effects etc...now I'm not saying I won't get the jabs,but going to observe from the sidelines so to speak.

At the end of the day,I know what tools I have,a healthy immune system etc..which i understand,but these jabs are tools I dont know anything about,so try looking at it from both sides.

The main reason I won't be getting the jabs at this present time, is due to the companies not being held liable if anything goes wrong..and that worries me.

I think 174 of the human medicine regulations act,states that in the case of a pandemic,vaccines can be put together fast and rolled out with not as much trial as normal vaccines in peacetime,and that's because of the need to save life,basically it's a chance they'll take as something is better that nothing.

The numbers going down is great,but we all know they were exaggerated in the first place,I was speaking with a couple of medical people earlier on in the year,away from they jobs,and both stated that it is not like how the media is making out,if a big hospital has a covid ward of 12 beds,as soon as they full,the news reported the hospital was overwhelmed,no space for more covid patients..yes that particular ward has no more room,but theres still beds in the rest of the hospital,just not in that small ward...again the media scaremonging.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?already declined mine until its proven 100% safe "

In that case you will never have this or any other vaccine as none are 100% safe. In fact you probably shouldn't take any medicine as none are 100% safe. You probably don't want covid as at your age as it definitely is not 100% safe.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?already declined mine until its proven 100% safe

Don't take any paracetamol then

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

No I’m not having i lt reasons being I have had covid severely and was in intensive care for 6 days and was close to death on 2 and half of the days so I have anti bodies already!!

But also im on immune suppressed meds and that

Means it drops the effects of the vaccine fourfold for me to im also on numerous medications on top of these so worried about how the vaccine would react to my meds and my wife’s on steroids treatment and if drops the effects of the vaccine by ten fold she’s also on more meds than me

So to me I don’t see any benefits in taking it if the effects of the vaccine for us are minuscule!!

I also believe that in 2-3 yrs the possibility of side reflects emerging for those who have made the choice to take the vaccine will emerge

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?already declined mine until its proven 100% safe "

Happy lfts for you then given you are working as a handyman :/

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"No I’m not having i lt reasons being I have had covid severely and was in intensive care for 6 days and was close to death on 2 and half of the days so I have anti bodies already!!

But also im on immune suppressed meds and that

So to me I don’t see any benefits in taking it if the effects of the vaccine for us are minuscule!!

I also believe that in 2-3 yrs the possibility of side reflects emerging for those who have made the choice to take the vaccine will emerge

Interesting reply.. You mention side effects etc.. Did you ever consider volunteering for some of the post Covid testing going on? Would be interested to know what that involves and what sort of stuff goes on etc..

Congrats on getting over the Covid though!

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

No that would not be of interest to me as I’m a full time carer for my wife and thanks for the good wishes

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"No I’m not having i lt reasons being I have had covid severely and was in intensive care for 6 days and was close to death on 2 and half of the days so I have anti bodies already!!

But also im on immune suppressed meds and that

So to me I don’t see any benefits in taking it if the effects of the vaccine for us are minuscule!!

I also believe that in 2-3 yrs the possibility of side reflects emerging for those who have made the choice to take the vaccine will emerge

Usually people have strong beliefs in something where evidence exists - you mention strong beliefs in side effects emerging in 2-3 years.

And yet this isn't what the evidence would suggest at all. Especially with a large range of vaccines that are very different from each other and that have been tested as thoroughly as former vaccines, with use on millions of people, under the toughest scrutiny ever, for any medical treatment, in the history of medicine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cases have dropped because flu season is down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, probably not. I have done my research about it. I like one doctors last message, whatever you do, make sure you inform yourself."

Exactly here here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont understand those that dont want the jab, i was unsure before my first so looked into it, it has been very well tested, more than most medicines, all be it in a short time, and well done to all involved,yes nobody knows the long term affects yet, but ive had my first and now waiting for my second, and now happy to.

its a fatal illness, so is it worth the risk having the vaccine? in my view yes it is, but then i dont have a tin foil hat either

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By *ornycouple 777Couple
over a year ago

cumbernauld

Just a question for the doubters if you were rushed into hospital and were told you were going to die however we have a drug that has not went through long term research however we believe it could save your life would you take the drug ??

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By *irtyd468Man
over a year ago

North

Not really sure why we try to engage with people who DONT want the vaccine anymore.

They believe what they believe and even though their decisions do effect others they dont care.

If they are restricted in what they can do because they havent had the vaccine tough,its their chocie.

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By *ebwizMan
over a year ago

Clevedon

Had a sore arm for 2 weeks after. Even now 6 weeks on i suffer from a dull headache and mild dizziness. Energy levels are rubbish. Really unsure about the 2nd jab.

Never really wanted it in the first place.

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By *parkyjayneCouple
over a year ago

midlands

Passport, tracking micro chip? I'm in. Anything that means I don't have to socialise in any environment with people who have a degree in ytube virology. Stay home. Forever. Do us all a favour.

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By *ni0nerMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Granted it's not really a "vaccine" per se, as it doesn't give long-term/life-long innoculation. But it's currently the best thing going.

I'm not getting it simply because I belong to the ethnic demographic dying the most, yet we're the one demographic least factored into the development of these drugs by all the Big Pharma companies... I know this because I work in BioTech.

So I'm going to wait out for now and just keep being responsible with masks and distancing etc.

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By *ighlander80884Man
over a year ago

Inverness

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money"

Astrazeneca have made their vaccine at cost price, they are making nothing out of it, they actually lost money as their share price went disc when there was issues.

These arguments go round and round, the virus isn't that bad, people getting run over by a bus who had covid are counted as a covid death, its all about control of people, it's big pharmas making money.

The Spanish flu in 1918s killed millions worldwide, we are an even more connected world nowadays, things spread even quicker. No vaccine is 100% effective, viruses always mutate, some slower some quicker.

Statistics show a significant increase in the annual death rate, while the daily death figures weren't totally accurate they did give a good indication.

The internet allows anyone to speak to anyone else, so much disinformation and fake news, some of them are obviously ridiculous (chips in the vaccine), some of them bend the truth a little enough that people begin to believe it.

Stick to shagging.

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"Granted it's not really a "vaccine" per se, as it doesn't give long-term/life-long innoculation. But it's currently the best thing going.

So I'm going to wait out for now and just keep being responsible with masks and distancing etc. "

Dying the most from the virus or from the vaccine?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?already declined mine until its proven 100% safe

Drinking water isn't 100% safe, either.

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By *ungry CatCouple
over a year ago

Belfast

"Just a question for the doubters if you were rushed into hospital and were told you were going to die however we have a drug that has not went through long term research however we believe it could save your life would you take the drug ?? "

Stupid question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course people would take it if they were going to die,they going to die anyways so what would be the harm in taking it,and taking a chance,however,this isnt that situation,the vast majority who get covid survive....different scenario altogether.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I won't be going to get a second jab. Two friends have had strokes following their jabs, and one woman who got pregnant shortly after her jab ended up with a placenta and sac only. As for injecting children - madness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do your own research and decide. Choose your 'facts' and do what you think is best. But please don't try to convert others to think like you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do your own research and decide. Choose your 'facts' and do what you think is best. But please don't try to convert others to think like you. "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't be getting any jabs I know I'm healthy enough that if I do catch covid it won't be a big deal. Haven't ever been tested for it either and don't plant too any time soon

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I won't be getting any jabs I know I'm healthy enough that if I do catch covid it won't be a big deal. Haven't ever been tested for it either and don't plant too any time soon

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I respect it your choice not to get the vaccine but to not be getting regular tests is very irresponsible imho

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"I won't be getting any jabs I know I'm healthy enough that if I do catch covid it won't be a big deal. Haven't ever been tested for it either and don't plant too any time soon

....just try not to pass it on to anyone less fortunate than you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't be going to get a second jab. Two friends have had strokes following their jabs, and one woman who got pregnant shortly after her jab ended up with a placenta and sac only. As for injecting children - madness "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't be getting any jabs I know I'm healthy enough that if I do catch covid it won't be a big deal. Haven't ever been tested for it either and don't plant too any time soon

....just try not to pass it on to anyone less fortunate than you."

You can assist in that.

By being jabbed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oops kinda answered the answer there. True though, all the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"
because we are not stupid had both ok it might not stop you catching it or transmitting it so had both

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all?"
you do realise that the vaccine does does protect not just us but others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all? you do realise that the vaccine does does protect not just us but others. "
wise up by saying others getting injected protects u means your injection is inadequate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

99.992% chance of survival IF I contract it, according to Oxford University.

I'll pass on the experimental injection thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The levels of judgement and arrogance on display here are astronomical, we're all allowed to make our own decisions about our own bodies, good luck to you whatever your choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The levels of judgement and arrogance on display here are astronomical, we're all allowed to make our own decisions about our own bodies, good luck to you whatever your choice."

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"99.992% chance of survival IF I contract it, according to Oxford University.

I'll pass on the experimental injection thank you."

An this too, although I'll still wear my mask and socially distance and be bery careful in general

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see?

I mean if the vaccine would really protect us (we know now that it doesn't) then why not just let then those who want it, be vaccinated and just wait?

or not take one at all? you do realise that the vaccine does does protect not just us but others. wise up by saying others getting injected protects u means your injection is inadequate "
how does that make sense. The vaccine protects the person who takes it.. and others because it has now been shown to limit transmission of the virus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It should really be left to the individual to make the choice. No one really knows ho w safe or not it is or how effective or not. It's all had to be rushed along due to the situation and no way of knowing long term effects until a long term has passed. Im personally fed up with people tryin to pressure and shame me into taking it. It's my body, i have the right to choose what i put into it or not and no one will tell me otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My friend dont want it yet he wants life back to normal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It should really be left to the individual to make the choice. No one really knows ho w safe or not it is or how effective or not. It's all had to be rushed along due to the situation and no way of knowing long term effects until a long term has passed. Im personally fed up with people tryin to pressure and shame me into taking it. It's my body, i have the right to choose what i put into it or not and no one will tell me otherwise. "

I totally agree, maybe people unable to empathise and putting pressure on other people by calling them names and belittling them should have a think about why they're doing that, what's influencing them, there's a clear government and media narrative of "we all have to be injected if we want to get back to normal" sorry to break it to those who believe that, we're not going back to normal, this virus exists and is mutating, and will continue to do so.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"99.992% chance of survival IF I contract it, according to Oxford University.

I'll pass on the experimental injection thank you."

Obviously the chance of survival drops with age. In the UK over 2% of people who tested positive for covid have died. Obviously a lot of people with covid have been missed so the death rate in the UK is around 0.8% and falling as the vaccine kicks in and treatments improve.

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By *erlins5Man
over a year ago

South Fife

"Anyone planning to not take a vaccine at all or just wait and see

I mean I wish it was 100% and working but now 3rd jabs? not even mentioning planned 4 jabs a person planned before 2023.

It just doesn't seem right, in older days I would happily take a vaccine and know that I won't ever catch a disease or virus

So have we gone backwards when it comes to medicine? or is it maybe something else? like a human trial to make more money"

People who get fully Jabs need one each year due to variant strains. Quite normal to have a Jab every year

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

That is true. However I’m surprised you aren’t taking the risk and having the jab. There is a tonne of evidence about the dangers of smoking yet you seem to ignore it

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over a year ago

Here here

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

That is true. However I’m surprised you aren’t taking the risk and having the jab. There is a tonne of evidence about the dangers of smoking yet you seem to ignore it

It's not like Big Tobacco ever lied...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The shaming should not happen.

The vaccines though have not been rushed, in the concept of missing out on any of the detailed development stages and full research. Typically research has long pauses, whilst funding and resources are collated. With these vaccines, doors have been opened, to recruit hundreds of thousands of diverse people in multiple countries around the world, which would have been very slow beforehand, never mind doing the research, for example. The motivation has been very high to provide funding and to allocate resources to research evidence evaluation and approvals investigations. With millions being vaccinated, these vaccines have been the most thoroughly researched medicines in world history. That level of scrutiny is paying off, as countries with high vaccination levels are returning to a much safer level of existence now, for the benefit of all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is true. However I’m surprised you aren’t taking the risk and having the jab. There is a tonne of evidence about the dangers of smoking yet you seem to ignore it

Im fully aware of the risk of tobacco. It's about freedom of choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The shaming should not happen.

That's good, hope it all goes well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is true. However I’m surprised you aren’t taking the risk and having the jab. There is a tonne of evidence about the dangers of smoking yet you seem to ignore it

It's not like Big Tobacco ever lied...

Or big pharma

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"99.992% chance of survival IF I contract it, according to Oxford University.

I'll pass on the experimental injection thank you."

Exactly this.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

This virus is nothing special, it's just a pussy cat of a virus. However, the next one could kill 95% of those that catch it. Will be nice to see if those refusing a vaccine this time will apply their logic for not having a vaccine then.

Maybe a register of those that are acceptable to having a vaccine and those that don't could be a good idea.

I'm all for people having rights and beilefs, I spent 31 years of my life prepared to defend the rights and beliefs of others. However, they live and die by those beliefs and should expect no help or sympathy of others, it is their choice, whether right or wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But it does protect us, the scientific evidence shows that so stop giving false evidence, the vaccine is the way out if this pandemic!

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

"But it does protect us, the scientific evidence shows that so stop giving false evidence, the vaccine is the way out if this pandemic! "

Everyone knows this but there is a section of the population that appear to have an agenda. I've given up trying to have rational discussions with people that PM us on the subject as it just goes round in circles.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"But it does protect us, the scientific evidence shows that so stop giving false evidence, the vaccine is the way out if this pandemic!

We were cautious early on (not sure re transmission, etc) and some people take that and run.

Covid has x chance of fucking you up - fine. Covid vaccine has 0.000005% times x chance of fucking you up - genocide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But it does protect us, the scientific evidence shows that so stop giving false evidence, the vaccine is the way out if this pandemic!

We were cautious early on (not sure re transmission, etc) and some people take that and run.

Covid has x chance of fucking you up - fine. Covid vaccine has 0.000005% times x chance of fucking you up - genocide."

You're entitled to your opinion but that's all, I understand your frustration, you believe wholeheartedly that you're right but no argument ever gets settled without some effort to understand the opposing view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But it does protect us, the scientific evidence shows that so stop giving false evidence, the vaccine is the way out if this pandemic!

We were cautious early on (not sure re transmission, etc) and some people take that and run.

Covid has x chance of fucking you up - fine. Covid vaccine has 0.000005% times x chance of fucking you up - genocide.

Am amazed very little mention of long Covid in this thread. More than a million people in this country currently have it- including c 40000 children. Vaccines are a major part of suppressing this virus, why not get rid of Long Covid too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"99.992% chance of survival IF I contract it, according to Oxford University.

I'll pass on the experimental injection thank you."

It's not just about you surviving it, it's the person that dies because you gave it to them! I have worked in healthcare for 38yrs and this is the worst epidemic I have witnessed.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"The levels of judgement and arrogance on display here are astronomical, we're all allowed to make our own decisions about our own bodies, good luck to you whatever your choice.

This

Not true.

As the decision you make can directly affect others and even cause their death.

I do wonder about all these people complaining about the vaccine what happens when they go on holiday to a country where certain vaccinations are compulsory do they kick off and refuse these also?

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