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"The CIA DID NOT blow up the moon. Fact." Vegeta did though. | |||
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"The CIA DID NOT blow up the moon. Fact. Vegeta did though. " Vegeta prince of all saiyan | |||
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"The CIA DID NOT blow up the moon. Fact. Vegeta did though. Vegeta prince of all saiyan " Was that before Wallace and Grommit got there looking for cheese? | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams " I did not need to melt it just get it cherry red and any strength in the bean soon goes | |||
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"Come on.... they never went did they? And don't get me started on 9/11" Just been watching videos on YT about the supposed glass structures on the moon! Not sure if they did or didn't go now! As for 9/11 something is definitely off about the whole thing. | |||
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"Come on.... they never went did they? And don't get me started on 9/11 Just been watching videos on YT about the supposed glass structures on the moon! Not sure if they did or didn't go now! As for 9/11 something is definitely off about the whole thing. " the only thing off about it was that they used cheap steel to build them and coved it up | |||
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"I guess the mirrors up there and left over bits of rocket quite visible through a telescope were planted by some Government agency then? Oh...wait..." Nobody said that nothing has ever landed on the moon | |||
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"It is strange that no one has been back for so many years. " Agreed | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams " any 'fuel' be that aviation or something else that is alight will if it reaches about 650 degrees causes steel beams to lose their structural integrity through distortion and expansion.. | |||
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"You do know they shine a laser beam at a reflector that was placed on the moon to measylure the distance ... it's how they know it's moving away from earth at a rate of 3.8 cm... Or in measurements useful on fab about the extra length most guys add to their cock measurements "Any idea why its moving away from earth ? Is there a stronger gravitational pull pulling it away ? Or is earth loosing its gravitational pull ? The moon has the gravitation pull to move tides but why does the oceans not end up in outer space ? | |||
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"You do know they shine a laser beam at a reflector that was placed on the moon to measylure the distance ... it's how they know it's moving away from earth at a rate of 3.8 cm... Or in measurements useful on fab about the extra length most guys add to their cock measurements "Ladies and gentlemen no need to post any more as the award for top post has already been won. | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams any 'fuel' be that aviation or something else that is alight will if it reaches about 650 degrees causes steel beams to lose their structural integrity through distortion and expansion.. " Stop trying to explain science to the flat earth society. | |||
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"Come on.... they never went did they? And don't get me started on 9/11" Go on let rip | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams I did not need to melt it just get it cherry red and any strength in the bean soon goes " Structural steel as used in the trade towers has to be fore protected so even jet fuel burning wouldn't get it hot enough for it to collapse and who has ever seen a building that big collapse into its own foot print unless in a controlled demolition... | |||
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"You do know they shine a laser beam at a reflector that was placed on the moon to measylure the distance ... it's how they know it's moving away from earth at a rate of 3.8 cm... Or in measurements useful on fab about the extra length most guys add to their cock measurements "...the Chinese and Russians have these reflecters on the moon as well. | |||
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"It is strange that no one has been back for so many years. Agreed" Why is it strange? Seems bloody obvious to me! | |||
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"I don't think they landed when they say they did, it was to stick two fingers up at the Russians to say they got there first." And that is why you can be certain that they did. Had they tried to fake it, the Russians would have been all over it like a bad rash. Some people should just stop watching Capricorn One. | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams I did not need to melt it just get it cherry red and any strength in the bean soon goes Structural steel as used in the trade towers has to be fore protected so even jet fuel burning wouldn't get it hot enough for it to collapse and who has ever seen a building that big collapse into its own foot print unless in a controlled demolition..." The walls act as a wind tunnel or furness as you would thus increasing those temperatures to extreme extreme temperatures Petrol and those conditions has the ability to distort cast iron Are you getting the picture ? | |||
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"I guess the mirrors up there and left over bits of rocket quite visible through a telescope were planted by some Government agency then? Oh...wait... Nobody said that nothing has ever landed on the moon "Actually, over the years, quite a few people have said just that. | |||
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"It is strange that no one has been back for so many years. Agreed Why is it strange? Seems bloody obvious to me! " And me. Maybe too far and too bloody expensive for a geology field trip might have something to do with it. | |||
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"So are you suggesting because as yet none of the 400000 individuals involved in the entire mission have shouted bazzinga the Russians are in on the gag too "Really...?? There only had to be around 15 people involved tops | |||
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"It was real......the changers told me so!" Do you mean the clangers? | |||
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"So are you suggesting because as yet none of the 400000 individuals involved in the entire mission have shouted bazzinga the Russians are in on the gag too
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There only had to be around 15 people involved tops"I'll not waste my internet ink saying anything more than twaddle .... | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams " Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well. | |||
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"The CIA DID NOT blow up the moon. Fact. Vegeta did though. " The moon is made of cheese - the sun melted it | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well." It melt steel however the amount that was in that plane (considering what would have burnt off in impact) would have been amazing to melt enough steel of a building that was surrounded by steel columns in a way that it collapsed free fall...TWICE! Oh and there was enough 'jet fuel' to bring down world trade centre 7 too. | |||
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"As for the moon yes was a fix with the development of telescopes niw day you would be able to see where they land and foot prints as they is no wind to cover it up" Would you?, a footprint...on the moon...with a telescope...bet you don't get those in John Lewis. | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well." ....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other. | |||
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"Another bored provocateur with too much time on their hands...." Another blinkered taxpayer that feels the need to insult those with an 'alternative' opinion to what they are told. | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well.....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other." these were the first and only steel skyscrapers to have ever collapsed through fire..the report was so corrupt... engineers around the world are challenging it. | |||
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"Tim commerford from the band Rage against the machine (who's father worked for NASA) recently remembered when he met Buzz Aldrin. “I got into it with Buzz Aldrin five years ago at a John Cusack movie premiere. There were a bunch of people gathered around, and I said he said to him: “I have a question: You have all these missions to the moon. How come there’s no pictures of the flags on the moon?” He said, “Well, those are highly degraded by radiation by now.” I said, “You left a lot of stuff on the moon. It seems that somebody with a telescope or satellite would snap a picture of that so we could see it. It’d be on the cover of every newspaper.” “You could tell he was getting frustrated, and I asked him why he put a metal rod on top of the flag instead of just letting the flag out and do its thing. He gets all frustrated and says, “I’m just trying to remember what they told me to say.” Buzz was also asked to swear on a Bible that he'd beento the moon and if he did the guy would donate thousands to a charity of his choice...he punched the guy!!! Is the really the behaviour of someone who achieved one if the most amazing feats in history??" If I had sat on top of a giant firework, been blasted into space with the G force pushing my cheeks up around my ears. Then travelled into the unknown, been one of the first to land on any object other than planet Earth, then some stupid fucker asked me to swear on a bible. I would have punched his fucking lights out. TWICE. | |||
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"The CIA DID NOT blow up the moon. Fact." PMSL | |||
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"Another bored provocateur with too much time on their hands...." This thread is a particularly poor effort, I think. 3 out of 10 for trolling. At least make it interesting. | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well.....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other." Well seeing how the atmosphere is less than 21 % oxygen and the blast from the exploding plane would like all explosions take the weakest link out ie the glazing. Any remaining fuel wouldn't be near enough to create the heat to generate a storm effect fire... I've worked in both structural construction and demolition and could see as it happened it wasn't right how it happened.. Since then ive seen the supposed detailed analysis of how it supposedly fell down.It just doesn't add up. Coupled with all the air defence and everything away on exercise etc..seems someone was selling the need for a war... | |||
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"Tim commerford from the band Rage against the machine (who's father worked for NASA) recently remembered when he met Buzz Aldrin. “I got into it with Buzz Aldrin five years ago at a John Cusack movie premiere. There were a bunch of people gathered around, and I said he said to him: “I have a question: You have all these missions to the moon. How come there’s no pictures of the flags on the moon?” He said, “Well, those are highly degraded by radiation by now.” I said, “You left a lot of stuff on the moon. It seems that somebody with a telescope or satellite would snap a picture of that so we could see it. It’d be on the cover of every newspaper.” “You could tell he was getting frustrated, and I asked him why he put a metal rod on top of the flag instead of just letting the flag out and do its thing. He gets all frustrated and says, “I’m just trying to remember what they told me to say.” Buzz was also asked to swear on a Bible that he'd beento the moon and if he did the guy would donate thousands to a charity of his choice...he punched the guy!!! Is the really the behaviour of someone who achieved one if the most amazing feats in history?? If I had sat on top of a giant firework, been blasted into space with the G force pushing my cheeks up around my ears. Then travelled into the unknown, been one of the first to land on any object other than planet Earth, then some stupid fucker asked me to swear on a bible. I would have punched his fucking lights out. TWICE. " Would you do the same in the witness box about having a shit ? | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well.....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other. these were the first and only steel skyscrapers to have ever collapsed through fire..the report was so corrupt... engineers around the world are challenging it." Was the report corrupt? Possibly. Were the Trade centre towers built to a substandard specification? Maybe. Did a bunch of mad Mussies fly two planes into them? Certainly. | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well.....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other. Well seeing how the atmosphere is less than 21 % oxygen and the blast from the exploding plane would like all explosions take the weakest link out ie the glazing. Any remaining fuel wouldn't be near enough to create the heat to generate a storm effect fire... I've worked in both structural construction and demolition and could see as it happened it wasn't right how it happened.. Since then ive seen the supposed detailed analysis of how it supposedly fell down.It just doesn't add up. Coupled with all the air defence and everything away on exercise etc..seems someone was selling the need for a war..." How many times have you observed those size buildings burn ? | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well.....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other. these were the first and only steel skyscrapers to have ever collapsed through fire..the report was so corrupt... engineers around the world are challenging it." Aye, weird, eh? Big planes crash into a structure and it collapses. Them engineers are darned puzzled as to how that could happen, unless the Lizard Race and their radon guns were involved. | |||
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"..seems someone was selling the need for a war..." And obviously, because the U.S. has historically been so shy about intervening overseas, blowing up thousands of its own citizens was the only way they could go to war | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well.....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other. Well seeing how the atmosphere is less than 21 % oxygen and the blast from the exploding plane would like all explosions take the weakest link out ie the glazing. Any remaining fuel wouldn't be near enough to create the heat to generate a storm effect fire... I've worked in both structural construction and demolition and could see as it happened it wasn't right how it happened.. Since then ive seen the supposed detailed analysis of how it supposedly fell down.It just doesn't add up. Coupled with all the air defence and everything away on exercise etc..seems someone was selling the need for a war... How many times have you observed those size buildings burn ? " I dont really care how many other buildings youve demolished, youve only ever seen plains fly into the trade towers once Youve only ever seen them collapse once Ok more than 1 plane and more than 1 tower, all the same day | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams I did not need to melt it just get it cherry red and any strength in the bean soon goes Structural steel as used in the trade towers has to be fore protected so even jet fuel burning wouldn't get it hot enough for it to collapse and who has ever seen a building that big collapse into its own foot print unless in a controlled demolition..." yes the steel should have been coated in a fire resistant material, but there does not exist a fire resistant material which is capable of such an impact as occurred.. by its design and how its applied and after it sets, all fire resistant material is susceptible to impact.. there were issues as reported by the inspecting Fire Engineers going back to the early 90's with the fire resistant coatings in the towers were large sections had become loose since application.. also the ring main necessary to drop such a building would have been installed when and why? before the war on terror? and any ring main is also not designed to survive the impact of a passenger plane, and why would one bother with both..? | |||
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"Tim commerford from the band Rage against the machine (who's father worked for NASA) recently remembered when he met Buzz Aldrin. “I got into it with Buzz Aldrin five years ago at a John Cusack movie premiere. There were a bunch of people gathered around, and I said he said to him: “I have a question: You have all these missions to the moon. How come there’s no pictures of the flags on the moon?” He said, “Well, those are highly degraded by radiation by now.” I said, “You left a lot of stuff on the moon. It seems that somebody with a telescope or satellite would snap a picture of that so we could see it. It’d be on the cover of every newspaper.” “You could tell he was getting frustrated, and I asked him why he put a metal rod on top of the flag instead of just letting the flag out and do its thing. He gets all frustrated and says, “I’m just trying to remember what they told me to say.” Buzz was also asked to swear on a Bible that he'd beento the moon and if he did the guy would donate thousands to a charity of his choice...he punched the guy!!! Is the really the behaviour of someone who achieved one if the most amazing feats in history?? If I had sat on top of a giant firework, been blasted into space with the G force pushing my cheeks up around my ears. Then travelled into the unknown, been one of the first to land on any object other than planet Earth, then some stupid fucker asked me to swear on a bible. I would have punched his fucking lights out. TWICE. Would you do the same in the witness box about having a shit ?" Whatever that means?  | |||
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"JFK was assasinated by the clangers for planning to invade the moon. FACT!" he was actually assinated by pro Castro pigeons, they were heard on the book repository saying " coo ,coo " | |||
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But just out interest has any one ever seen the Tex n results from when they where testing out injecting pure thc out in Holland a while back out of all the participants most reported seeing lizard people or people with gill type breathers on there necks ...all unrelated n no prior contact n lab test conditions and it was back before all the you tube conspiracy crap ....i could go on but not the place any one non judgmental enough to look at things from a medical n science point a view feel free to pm | |||
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"Tonight's a good night to land on the moon ..... It's massive" It's actually about the same size - just loooks bigger. | |||
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"Tonight's a good night to land on the moon ..... It's massive It's actually about the same size - just loooks bigger. " It's flippin humongous. On the Supermoon night it was rubbish. Tonight it's twice as big as normal. I might fly to it in a hot air balloon. | |||
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"Tonight's a good night to land on the moon ..... It's massive It's actually about the same size - just loooks bigger. It's flippin humongous. On the Supermoon night it was rubbish. Tonight it's twice as big as normal. I might fly to it in a hot air balloon." It looks the same size here! That's so unfair! What moon are you two looking at? | |||
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"Tonight's a good night to land on the moon ..... It's massive It's actually about the same size - just loooks bigger. It's flippin humongous. On the Supermoon night it was rubbish. Tonight it's twice as big as normal. I might fly to it in a hot air balloon. It looks the same size here! That's so unfair! What moon are you two looking at? " Yeah, its normal moon sized up here.  | |||
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"It is strange that no one has been back for so many years. " Recession; property prices have dropped (slowly) like a brick there | |||
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"Tonight's a good night to land on the moon ..... It's massive It's actually about the same size - just loooks bigger. It's flippin humongous. On the Supermoon night it was rubbish. Tonight it's twice as big as normal. I might fly to it in a hot air balloon. It looks the same size here! That's so unfair! What moon are you two looking at? " We have a better moon up north | |||
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"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams Yes it can. Given enough oxygen the charcoal from your BBQ could do it as well.....the steel bowed outwards... Leaving the concrete floors to fall on to each other. these were the first and only steel skyscrapers to have ever collapsed through fire..the report was so corrupt... engineers around the world are challenging it. Was the report corrupt? Possibly. Were the Trade centre towers built to a substandard specification? Maybe. Did a bunch of mad Mussies fly two planes into them? Certainly." Wow...I'm not sure whether I'm shocked at the racism or the fact that you're 'certain' a gang of people managed to hijack two planes with box cutters and other shanks and then both hit their targets perfectly and cause the worst destruction to New York in history??... Mmmmm...what next...oh wait, that's right they found one of their passports in the road..??? Certainly must have been them, wait..half of them are actually saying they're still alive and Bin Laden has NEVER been officially accused of the crime...but...must have happened how the tellybox told us...just like them fellas that went to the moon. | |||
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"It was real......the changers told me so!" Changers, !!! is that the Clangers cousins. | |||
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"This might become a heated thread! "I was going to wade in with a moon landing rant but dang black panther....... You've distracted me wow | |||
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"It was real......the changers told me so!Changers, !!! is that the Clangers cousins." Yes,they're second cousins to the Clingons who live on the dark side of the moon. | |||
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"If it was a conspiracy and the building was rigged with explosives, it would be simpler to just exclude the jets from the plot and just say al quaeda just blew the towers up with explosives. Doesn't pass a common sense test straight off." The official explanation which you obviously have swallowed does not stand up to scrutiny. There is no common sense involved. Have you ever heard the saying "if you don't stand up for something you'll fall for anything" | |||
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"If it was a conspiracy and the building was rigged with explosives, it would be simpler to just exclude the jets from the plot and just say al quaeda just blew the towers up with explosives. Doesn't pass a common sense test straight off. The official explanation which you obviously have swallowed does not stand up to scrutiny. There is no common sense involved. Have you ever heard the saying "if you don't stand up for something you'll fall for anything"" I've not swallowed anything. The saying doesn't fit in, but feel free to enjoy believing what you will. | |||
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"If it was a conspiracy and the building was rigged with explosives, it would be simpler to just exclude the jets from the plot and just say al quaeda just blew the towers up with explosives. Doesn't pass a common sense test straight off. The official explanation which you obviously have swallowed does not stand up to scrutiny. There is no common sense involved. Have you ever heard the saying "if you don't stand up for something you'll fall for anything" I've not swallowed anything. The saying doesn't fit in, but feel free to enjoy believing what you will. " Thank you for granting me the freedom to think what I want, much appreciated  | |||
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"Some interesting 9/11 facts... There are thousands of witness testimonies from people who were in the building including hundreds from NYPD and fire department that state there was a series of explosions BEFORE any plane hit the towers. These explosions were in the basement causing damage and injuries to anyone in that area.... FACT The telephone calls made by the people on the plane could not have been made from a plane at that altitude...FACT At least 8 of the alleged hijackers reported to be responsible are still alive and have been identified... FACT Larry Silverstein, head of the Silverstein group who had recently purchased the 99 year 3.2 Billion dollar lease hold of the WTC complex discovered that the buildings were an asbestos time bomb and would need at least 200 million dollars spent on removing it and making the buildings safe. Instead he took out an insurance policy which coincidentally included "acts of terrorism". After the attacks the insurers Swiss re argued that it was a single terrorist attack and tried to settle the claim at 3.5 Billion dollars. The Silverstein group challenged this and a following court case agreed it was two separate attacks so the insurers were forced to pay 4.6 Billion dollars out... Fact All US military response aircraft were mysteriously sent on exercises that day which meant the hijacked planes were able to fly in the most highly guarded airspace in the world without any intervention... FACT There are plenty more facts well documented which are all pretty damming. If your interested just look and find them. " Just as you can search for "facts" like those above, they can also be debunked with google searches. It's nice that people question things, but I'm inclined to believe reputable sources, rather than truther blogs. But people will search for whatever backs up their beliefs - we are obviously just on different ends of the spectrum here. For me, the simple fact that thousands of people would be required to keep the cover up secret makes it highly unlikely to be a huge conspiracy. | |||
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"Some interesting 9/11 facts... There are thousands of witness testimonies from people who were in the building including hundreds from NYPD and fire department that state there was a series of explosions BEFORE any plane hit the towers. These explosions were in the basement causing damage and injuries to anyone in that area.... FACT The telephone calls made by the people on the plane could not have been made from a plane at that altitude...FACT At least 8 of the alleged hijackers reported to be responsible are still alive and have been identified... FACT Larry Silverstein, head of the Silverstein group who had recently purchased the 99 year 3.2 Billion dollar lease hold of the WTC complex discovered that the buildings were an asbestos time bomb and would need at least 200 million dollars spent on removing it and making the buildings safe. Instead he took out an insurance policy which coincidentally included "acts of terrorism". After the attacks the insurers Swiss re argued that it was a single terrorist attack and tried to settle the claim at 3.5 Billion dollars. The Silverstein group challenged this and a following court case agreed it was two separate attacks so the insurers were forced to pay 4.6 Billion dollars out... Fact All US military response aircraft were mysteriously sent on exercises that day which meant the hijacked planes were able to fly in the most highly guarded airspace in the world without any intervention... FACT There are plenty more facts well documented which are all pretty damming. If your interested just look and find them. Just as you can search for "facts" like those above, they can also be debunked with google searches. It's nice that people question things, but I'm inclined to believe reputable sources, rather than truther blogs. But people will search for whatever backs up their beliefs - we are obviously just on different ends of the spectrum here. For me, the simple fact that thousands of people would be required to keep the cover up secret makes it highly unlikely to be a huge conspiracy." Fair point well presented but I must take issue with your "reputable sources" statement. It may only be me, I may be perhaps a little paranoid but what I have learned in my life is that ALL politicians are liars. They will happily piss on your shoes and tell you it is raining. You may have experienced evidence of this before and especially after an election or referendum. So personally I choose not to believe what I am told by a bunch of liars. But hey that's just me | |||
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"Tonight's a good night to land on the moon ..... It's massive It's actually about the same size - just loooks bigger. It's flippin humongous. On the Supermoon night it was rubbish. Tonight it's twice as big as normal. I might fly to it in a hot air balloon. It looks the same size here! That's so unfair! What moon are you two looking at? " A really really big one , so big you could land on it | |||
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"All these FACTS will make the court case pretty straightforward, the jury will just need half a day on google to mop it all up. In the afternoon they can sort out the moon landing. Sorted." There will never be a court case, that's just a hunch, I've heard Judge Judy's diary is full | |||
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"Some interesting 9/11 facts... There are thousands of witness testimonies from people who were in the building including hundreds from NYPD and fire department that state there was a series of explosions BEFORE any plane hit the towers. These explosions were in the basement causing damage and injuries to anyone in that area.... FACT The telephone calls made by the people on the plane could not have been made from a plane at that altitude...FACT At least 8 of the alleged hijackers reported to be responsible are still alive and have been identified... FACT Larry Silverstein, head of the Silverstein group who had recently purchased the 99 year 3.2 Billion dollar lease hold of the WTC complex discovered that the buildings were an asbestos time bomb and would need at least 200 million dollars spent on removing it and making the buildings safe. Instead he took out an insurance policy which coincidentally included "acts of terrorism". After the attacks the insurers Swiss re argued that it was a single terrorist attack and tried to settle the claim at 3.5 Billion dollars. The Silverstein group challenged this and a following court case agreed it was two separate attacks so the insurers were forced to pay 4.6 Billion dollars out... Fact All US military response aircraft were mysteriously sent on exercises that day which meant the hijacked planes were able to fly in the most highly guarded airspace in the world without any intervention... FACT There are plenty more facts well documented which are all pretty damming. If your interested just look and find them. Just as you can search for "facts" like those above, they can also be debunked with google searches. It's nice that people question things, but I'm inclined to believe reputable sources, rather than truther blogs. But people will search for whatever backs up their beliefs - we are obviously just on different ends of the spectrum here. For me, the simple fact that thousands of people would be required to keep the cover up secret makes it highly unlikely to be a huge conspiracy. Fair point well presented but I must take issue with your "reputable sources" statement. It may only be me, I may be perhaps a little paranoid but what I have learned in my life is that ALL politicians are liars. They will happily piss on your shoes and tell you it is raining. You may have experienced evidence of this before and especially after an election or referendum. So personally I choose not to believe what I am told by a bunch of liars. But hey that's just me "I agree with you about not trusting politicians! They're usually lying about something or other. But I do trust respected scientists and structural engineers. Like Popular Mechanics magazine's 5,000 word article debunking the myths about jet fuel, beams, the planes etc. There's a reason that the truther movement has been on the decline for years, and why the media doesn't report on what would be the biggest story in decades - there is no conspiracy. Those who believe there is have been duped by others whose healthy skepticism has turned to obsessive paranoia... and a desire to sell books
Again, if you still believe than that's your choice. I just don't like to sit back silent while truthers try to ram their beliefs down everyone's throats like they are objective facts and not just theories based on inaccurate, misleading information. | |||
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"Some interesting 9/11 facts... There are thousands of witness testimonies from people who were in the building including hundreds from NYPD and fire department that state there was a series of explosions BEFORE any plane hit the towers. These explosions were in the basement causing damage and injuries to anyone in that area.... FACT The telephone calls made by the people on the plane could not have been made from a plane at that altitude...FACT At least 8 of the alleged hijackers reported to be responsible are still alive and have been identified... FACT Larry Silverstein, head of the Silverstein group who had recently purchased the 99 year 3.2 Billion dollar lease hold of the WTC complex discovered that the buildings were an asbestos time bomb and would need at least 200 million dollars spent on removing it and making the buildings safe. Instead he took out an insurance policy which coincidentally included "acts of terrorism". After the attacks the insurers Swiss re argued that it was a single terrorist attack and tried to settle the claim at 3.5 Billion dollars. The Silverstein group challenged this and a following court case agreed it was two separate attacks so the insurers were forced to pay 4.6 Billion dollars out... Fact All US military response aircraft were mysteriously sent on exercises that day which meant the hijacked planes were able to fly in the most highly guarded airspace in the world without any intervention... FACT There are plenty more facts well documented which are all pretty damming. If your interested just look and find them. Just as you can search for "facts" like those above, they can also be debunked with google searches. It's nice that people question things, but I'm inclined to believe reputable sources, rather than truther blogs. But people will search for whatever backs up their beliefs - we are obviously just on different ends of the spectrum here. For me, the simple fact that thousands of people would be required to keep the cover up secret makes it highly unlikely to be a huge conspiracy. Fair point well presented but I must take issue with your "reputable sources" statement. It may only be me, I may be perhaps a little paranoid but what I have learned in my life is that ALL politicians are liars. They will happily piss on your shoes and tell you it is raining. You may have experienced evidence of this before and especially after an election or referendum. So personally I choose not to believe what I am told by a bunch of liars. But hey that's just me
I agree with you about not trusting politicians! They're usually lying about something or other.
But I do trust respected scientists and structural engineers. Like Popular Mechanics magazine's 5,000 word article debunking the myths about jet fuel, beams, the planes etc.
There's a reason that the truther movement has been on the decline for years, and why the media doesn't report on what would be the biggest story in decades - there is no conspiracy.
Those who believe there is have been duped by others whose healthy skepticism has turned to obsessive paranoia... and a desire to sell books
Again, if you still believe than that's your choice. I just don't like to sit back silent while truthers try to ram their beliefs down everyone's throats like they are objective facts and not just theories based on inaccurate, misleading information. "So the testimonies of the hundreds of NYPD and firefighters who were AT THE SCENE that there were a series of explosions before any plane hit should be ignored? How did Popular Mechanics magazine debunk them? | |||
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"Some interesting 9/11 facts... There are thousands of witness testimonies from people who were in the building including hundreds from NYPD and fire department that state there was a series of explosions BEFORE any plane hit the towers. These explosions were in the basement causing damage and injuries to anyone in that area.... FACT The telephone calls made by the people on the plane could not have been made from a plane at that altitude...FACT At least 8 of the alleged hijackers reported to be responsible are still alive and have been identified... FACT Larry Silverstein, head of the Silverstein group who had recently purchased the 99 year 3.2 Billion dollar lease hold of the WTC complex discovered that the buildings were an asbestos time bomb and would need at least 200 million dollars spent on removing it and making the buildings safe. Instead he took out an insurance policy which coincidentally included "acts of terrorism". After the attacks the insurers Swiss re argued that it was a single terrorist attack and tried to settle the claim at 3.5 Billion dollars. The Silverstein group challenged this and a following court case agreed it was two separate attacks so the insurers were forced to pay 4.6 Billion dollars out... Fact All US military response aircraft were mysteriously sent on exercises that day which meant the hijacked planes were able to fly in the most highly guarded airspace in the world without any intervention... FACT There are plenty more facts well documented which are all pretty damming. If your interested just look and find them. Just as you can search for "facts" like those above, they can also be debunked with google searches. It's nice that people question things, but I'm inclined to believe reputable sources, rather than truther blogs. But people will search for whatever backs up their beliefs - we are obviously just on different ends of the spectrum here. For me, the simple fact that thousands of people would be required to keep the cover up secret makes it highly unlikely to be a huge conspiracy. Fair point well presented but I must take issue with your "reputable sources" statement. It may only be me, I may be perhaps a little paranoid but what I have learned in my life is that ALL politicians are liars. They will happily piss on your shoes and tell you it is raining. You may have experienced evidence of this before and especially after an election or referendum. So personally I choose not to believe what I am told by a bunch of liars. But hey that's just me
I agree with you about not trusting politicians! They're usually lying about something or other.
But I do trust respected scientists and structural engineers. Like Popular Mechanics magazine's 5,000 word article debunking the myths about jet fuel, beams, the planes etc.
There's a reason that the truther movement has been on the decline for years, and why the media doesn't report on what would be the biggest story in decades - there is no conspiracy.
Those who believe there is have been duped by others whose healthy skepticism has turned to obsessive paranoia... and a desire to sell books
Again, if you still believe than that's your choice. I just don't like to sit back silent while truthers try to ram their beliefs down everyone's throats like they are objective facts and not just theories based on inaccurate, misleading information.
So the testimonies of the hundreds of NYPD and firefighters who were AT THE SCENE that there were a series of explosions before any plane hit should be ignored? How did Popular Mechanics magazine debunk them?"There are many types of loud sharp noises that are not caused by explosives, and seismographic records of the collapse do not show evidence of explosions. If there was a controlled demolition then you would hear a series of closely spaced very loud bangs, but there is no audio evidence of this. A quick internet search will surely help you with any other questions you have. I'm no expert, but I trust the experts in these fields, not people who just want to believe the man is behind it all. | |||
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" So the testimonies of the hundreds of NYPD and firefighters who were AT THE SCENE that there were a series of explosions before any plane hit should be ignored? How did Popular Mechanics magazine debunk them?" What did the survivors inside the building say about all these explosions before the plane hit? Nothing, because they didn't happen. | |||
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" So the testimonies of the hundreds of NYPD and firefighters who were AT THE SCENE that there were a series of explosions before any plane hit should be ignored? How did Popular Mechanics magazine debunk them? What did the survivors inside the building say about all these explosions before the plane hit? Nothing, because they didn't happen." | |||
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" So the testimonies of the hundreds of NYPD and firefighters who were AT THE SCENE that there were a series of explosions before any plane hit should be ignored? How did Popular Mechanics magazine debunk them? What did the survivors inside the building say about all these explosions before the plane hit? Nothing, because they didn't happen." Simple; they too were part of the conspiracy.  | |||
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"If it was a conspiracy and the building was rigged with explosives, it would be simpler to just exclude the jets from the plot and just say al quaeda just blew the towers up with explosives. Doesn't pass a common sense test straight off." Quite so. All this waffle about melting points, but no simple explanation as to why the U.S. would damage its own infrastructure and kill its own people when there are literally dozens of easier ways to make a case to go to war in Iraq. | |||
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"You do know they shine a laser beam at a reflector that was placed on the moon to measylure the distance ... it's how they know it's moving away from earth at a rate of 3.8 cm... Or in measurements useful on fab about the extra length most guys add to their cock measurements
Any idea why its moving away from earth ? Is there a stronger gravitational pull pulling it away ? Or is earth loosing its gravitational pull ?
The moon has the gravitation pull to move tides but why does the oceans not end up in outer space ? "It has been moving further and further away from the Earth ever since it was created by an Earth collision event with another planetary body. | |||
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"If it was a conspiracy and the building was rigged with explosives, it would be simpler to just exclude the jets from the plot and just say al quaeda just blew the towers up with explosives. Doesn't pass a common sense test straight off. Quite so. All this waffle about melting points, but no simple explanation as to why the U.S. would damage its own infrastructure and kill its own people when there are literally dozens of easier ways to make a case to go to war in Iraq." . Or just pay 19 crazy Arabs to do it for you and then help them as much as possible by confusing NORAD with same day simulations... You could probably syphon the money of very easily from the missing billions you'd already admitted to the day before, you could pass it on through high ranking Pakistani secret service who have a genuine interest in doing it anyhow, then blame it all on a guy who you've already treated in a military hospital and know is going to die anyhow from kidney disease!. . That's how I'd do it anyhow  | |||
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"Find it pretty disrespectful to the families of the people that died in the twin towers that people keep bringing up these crackpot conspiracy theories, it's bordering on the lines of a man in the pub told me x so it's got to be true. Re the moon landings get over it because it happened All the conspiracy believers can all go back to coating your house in tin foil so that "they" can't find you and come and get you " | |||
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"If it was a conspiracy and the building was rigged with explosives, it would be simpler to just exclude the jets from the plot and just say al quaeda just blew the towers up with explosives. Doesn't pass a common sense test straight off. Quite so. All this waffle about melting points, but no simple explanation as to why the U.S. would damage its own infrastructure and kill its own people when there are literally dozens of easier ways to make a case to go to war in Iraq.. Or just pay 19 crazy Arabs to do it for you and then help them as much as possible by confusing NORAD with same day simulations... You could probably syphon the money of very easily from the missing billions you'd already admitted to the day before, you could pass it on through high ranking Pakistani secret service who have a genuine interest in doing it anyhow, then blame it all on a guy who you've already treated in a military hospital and know is going to die anyhow from kidney disease!. . That's how I'd do it anyhow "When the insurance company were arguing in court about paying out only £3.6Bn instead of whatever figure, it's a pity they didn't have the conspiracy theory experts to hand. They would then have simply paid nothing, with this clear cut evidence. | |||
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"If it was a conspiracy and the building was rigged with explosives, it would be simpler to just exclude the jets from the plot and just say al quaeda just blew the towers up with explosives. Doesn't pass a common sense test straight off. Quite so. All this waffle about melting points, but no simple explanation as to why the U.S. would damage its own infrastructure and kill its own people when there are literally dozens of easier ways to make a case to go to war in Iraq.. Or just pay 19 crazy Arabs to do it for you and then help them as much as possible by confusing NORAD with same day simulations... You could probably syphon the money of very easily from the missing billions you'd already admitted to the day before, you could pass it on through high ranking Pakistani secret service who have a genuine interest in doing it anyhow, then blame it all on a guy who you've already treated in a military hospital and know is going to die anyhow from kidney disease!. . That's how I'd do it anyhow
When the insurance company were arguing in court about paying out only £3.6Bn instead of whatever figure, it's a pity they didn't have the conspiracy theory experts to hand. They would then have simply paid nothing, with this clear cut evidence."There is no concrete proof, which insurance company would require to be refuse to pay out | |||
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"Anyway im out of this now because no offence but brain cells are not everyones strong point, please i beg you do not ask me for a meet lol Trust me id be bored out my fukin skull" OK, you're far to intelligent for us simple souls (although your brain cells aren't being used for spelling). Have fun at the University of the Internet. | |||
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"Find it pretty disrespectful to the families of the people that died in the twin towers that people keep bringing up these crackpot conspiracy theories, it's bordering on the lines of a man in the pub told me x so it's got to be true. Re the moon landings get over it because it happened All the conspiracy believers can all go back to coating your house in tin foil so that "they" can't find you and come and get you "..so the official line that we all should believe is that the 4 flight and cockpit voice recorders (black boxes) from the flights that hit the towers were completely obliterated to the point there wasn't a trace of them left BUT one if the terrorists passports was found in the rubble a short time later?....hmmmm yeah ok | |||
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"Find it pretty disrespectful to the families of the people that died in the twin towers that people keep bringing up these crackpot conspiracy theories, it's bordering on the lines of a man in the pub told me x so it's got to be true. Re the moon landings get over it because it happened All the conspiracy believers can all go back to coating your house in tin foil so that "they" can't find you and come and get you
..so the official line that we all should believe is that the 4 flight and cockpit voice recorders (black boxes) from the flights that hit the towers were completely obliterated to the point there wasn't a trace of them left BUT one if the terrorists passports was found in the rubble a short time later?....hmmmm yeah ok "Although i said im done with this thread Road traffic accidents in which folk have been decapatated and head found 3 fields away from the burnt out vehicle Or even a wheel found 3 wheels away from that completly burnt out vehicle There is no proof that the passport didnt fly from the impact as soon as the cockpit windows was shattered | |||
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"Find it pretty disrespectful to the families of the people that died in the twin towers that people keep bringing up these crackpot conspiracy theories, it's bordering on the lines of a man in the pub told me x so it's got to be true. Re the moon landings get over it because it happened All the conspiracy believers can all go back to coating your house in tin foil so that "they" can't find you and come and get you
..so the official line that we all should believe is that the 4 flight and cockpit voice recorders (black boxes) from the flights that hit the towers were completely obliterated to the point there wasn't a trace of them left BUT one if the terrorists passports was found in the rubble a short time later?....hmmmm yeah ok
Although i said im done with this thread
Road traffic accidents in which folk have been decapatated and head found 3 fields away from the burnt out vehicle
Or even a wheel found 3 wheels away from that completly burnt out vehicle
There is no proof that the passport didnt fly from the impact as soon as the cockpit windows was shattered "Fields away before the underage grammer police or the sad little old men who aint had none in years gets on my case lol | |||
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"Find it pretty disrespectful to the families of the people that died in the twin towers that people keep bringing up these crackpot conspiracy theories, it's bordering on the lines of a man in the pub told me x so it's got to be true. Re the moon landings get over it because it happened All the conspiracy believers can all go back to coating your house in tin foil so that "they" can't find you and come and get you
..so the official line that we all should believe is that the 4 flight and cockpit voice recorders (black boxes) from the flights that hit the towers were completely obliterated to the point there wasn't a trace of them left BUT one if the terrorists passports was found in the rubble a short time later?....hmmmm yeah ok
Although i said im done with this thread
Road traffic accidents in which folk have been decapatated and head found 3 fields away from the burnt out vehicle
Or even a wheel found 3 wheels away from that completly burnt out vehicle
There is no proof that the passport didnt fly from the impact as soon as the cockpit windows was shattered "Wtf has a road traffic accident got to do with a passenger aircraft smashing into a building at over 500mph?... Did he throw it out of the window just before impact?....that'll be it | |||
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"Find it pretty disrespectful to the families of the people that died in the twin towers that people keep bringing up these crackpot conspiracy theories, it's bordering on the lines of a man in the pub told me x so it's got to be true. Re the moon landings get over it because it happened All the conspiracy believers can all go back to coating your house in tin foil so that "they" can't find you and come and get you
..so the official line that we all should believe is that the 4 flight and cockpit voice recorders (black boxes) from the flights that hit the towers were completely obliterated to the point there wasn't a trace of them left BUT one if the terrorists passports was found in the rubble a short time later?....hmmmm yeah ok
Although i said im done with this thread
Road traffic accidents in which folk have been decapatated and head found 3 fields away from the burnt out vehicle
Or even a wheel found 3 wheels away from that completly burnt out vehicle
There is no proof that the passport didnt fly from the impact as soon as the cockpit windows was shattered
Wtf has a road traffic accident got to do with a passenger aircraft smashing into a building at over 500mph?... Did he throw it out of the window just before impact?....that'll be it "Because you have done a test to see if its possible for a passport to fly out of the cockpit window upon impact No i didnt you had | |||
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"Find it pretty disrespectful to the families of the people that died in the twin towers that people keep bringing up these crackpot conspiracy theories, it's bordering on the lines of a man in the pub told me x so it's got to be true. Re the moon landings get over it because it happened All the conspiracy believers can all go back to coating your house in tin foil so that "they" can't find you and come and get you
..so the official line that we all should believe is that the 4 flight and cockpit voice recorders (black boxes) from the flights that hit the towers were completely obliterated to the point there wasn't a trace of them left BUT one if the terrorists passports was found in the rubble a short time later?....hmmmm yeah ok
Although i said im done with this thread
Road traffic accidents in which folk have been decapatated and head found 3 fields away from the burnt out vehicle
Or even a wheel found 3 wheels away from that completly burnt out vehicle
There is no proof that the passport didnt fly from the impact as soon as the cockpit windows was shattered
Wtf has a road traffic accident got to do with a passenger aircraft smashing into a building at over 500mph?... Did he throw it out of the window just before impact?....that'll be it
Because you have done a test to see if its possible for a passport to fly out of the cockpit window upon impact
No i didnt you had
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