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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual "Stairway to heaven and highway to hell says something about anticipated numbers 🤣 | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual "It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place. That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog. | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog."You must be bored. | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog.
You must be bored."Are women and men in Britain equal, or do you not think so? Because if you swapped women and men in this song, and, say, five men were seriously singing about how if a girl doesn’t “get along” with his friends he would break up with her, I think society would react a bit differently to it, and there might even be lawsuits, and it could all end very badly. | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog."I've never heard of a woman getting rid of her dog because her friends didn't approve. Also, if Wannabe should be taken so literal then what exactly is a ziga ziga? | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog.
I've never heard of a woman getting rid of her dog because her friends didn't approve.
Also, if Wannabe should be taken so literal then what exactly is a ziga ziga? "Dunno but I really really want one | |||
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"You can't be reading too much into all the songs. They are just songs. They aren't meant to be real and make sense. Are they "Exactly... Take Hurdy Hurdy Mushroom Man as an example...  | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog.
You must be bored.
Are women and men in Britain equal, or do you not think so? Because if you swapped women and men in this song, and, say, five men were seriously singing about how if a girl doesn’t “get along” with his friends he would break up with her, I think society would react a bit differently to it, and there might even be lawsuits, and it could all end very badly.
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""If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. Make it last forever, friendship never ends" - These lines sum up everything that’s wrong with how many modern relationships are viewed. A man is not a dog seeking approval from the pack. Love isn’t a group decision — it’s a bond between two people. Friends don’t get a vote. If they try to sabotage that bond, they should be the ones excluded, not the partner. In any real, lasting relationship, loyalty to your spouse comes first — above friends, extended family, even parents. Only children may share that top place. Everyone else is second. Look at John Lydon and Nora Forster. People told them not to be together. Friends warned them it wouldn’t work. They didn’t care. They chose each other — and stayed together for over 40 years, until her death. That’s what love looks like. And it doesn’t need permission. The song is a clear glorification of abuse." I thought it was an invitation to an orgy  | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog."Incorrect. If my friends did not approve of my dog, I would get rid of my friends. By your logic, a man is less valuable than a dog. But then, I'm not sure your logic is sound. | |||
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" I never said that all women do this. I'm not making any generalizations. What I said is that the song establishes a framework in which getting approval from friends is presented as a necessary condition for a relationship. I never meant that everyone who hears this song will act that way. I was simply saying that there are people who do behave like that, and this song strongly resonates with them and reinforces their belief that they're doing the right thing." To some people it is important though. Not having kids is important to me. So people who want kids, I don't date. It's not abuse to lay out boundaries and not get involved with people who are incompatible 💜 | |||
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" I never said that all women do this. I'm not making any generalizations. What I said is that the song establishes a framework in which getting approval from friends is presented as a necessary condition for a relationship. I never meant that everyone who hears this song will act that way. I was simply saying that there are people who do behave like that, and this song strongly resonates with them and reinforces their belief that they're doing the right thing." Unclear how it's abusive though. Seems like a perfectly reasonable preference to me. | |||
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""If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. Make it last forever, friendship never ends" - These lines sum up everything that’s wrong with how many modern relationships are viewed. A man is not a dog seeking approval from the pack. Love isn’t a group decision — it’s a bond between two people. Friends don’t get a vote. If they try to sabotage that bond, they should be the ones excluded, not the partner. In any real, lasting relationship, loyalty to your spouse comes first — above friends, extended family, even parents. Only children may share that top place. Everyone else is second. Look at John Lydon and Nora Forster. People told them not to be together. Friends warned them it wouldn’t work. They didn’t care. They chose each other — and stayed together for over 40 years, until her death. That’s what love looks like. And it doesn’t need permission. The song is a clear glorification of abuse." I'm with your line of thinking  | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog.
You must be bored.
Are women and men in Britain equal, or do you not think so? Because if you swapped women and men in this song, and, say, five men were seriously singing about how if a girl doesn’t “get along” with his friends he would break up with her, I think society would react a bit differently to it, and there might even be lawsuits, and it could all end very badly.
"There haven't been lawsuits about Delilah and that's a man killing a woman. I think if that's acceptable as a song I reckon 5 women saying 'ask your friends if they like him' is pretty tame by comparison. Anyway would a man want to be with a woman who had to seek her mates opinion before she decided to get one his lover? | |||
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" I never said that all women do this. I'm not making any generalizations. What I said is that the song establishes a framework in which getting approval from friends is presented as a necessary condition for a relationship. I never meant that everyone who hears this song will act that way. I was simply saying that there are people who do behave like that, and this song strongly resonates with them and reinforces their belief that they're doing the right thing." Let's hope no murderers listen to Delilah then | |||
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"Well, that's one way to look at it. I always read it as, a relationship is the deepest and most committed of friendships. A partner being friends with my friends indicates that there's compatibility between me and my partner, just as there's compatibility between me and my friends. Plus, people I love getting on with each other makes my life easier. "Abuse" is an... unorthodox take. And as others have said, this thirty year old pop song seems to be hanging over you a bit too much. I suspect it was never that deep." Are you callin gteh Spice Girls 'shallow'?  | |||
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"Well, that's one way to look at it. I always read it as, a relationship is the deepest and most committed of friendships. A partner being friends with my friends indicates that there's compatibility between me and my partner, just as there's compatibility between me and my friends. Plus, people I love getting on with each other makes my life easier. "Abuse" is an... unorthodox take. And as others have said, this thirty year old pop song seems to be hanging over you a bit too much. I suspect it was never that deep. Are you callin gteh Spice Girls 'shallow'? "Surely not! They are among the greatest philosophers of our time A zigazig ah! | |||
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"Well, that's one way to look at it. I always read it as, a relationship is the deepest and most committed of friendships. A partner being friends with my friends indicates that there's compatibility between me and my partner, just as there's compatibility between me and my friends. Plus, people I love getting on with each other makes my life easier. "Abuse" is an... unorthodox take. And as others have said, this thirty year old pop song seems to be hanging over you a bit too much. I suspect it was never that deep. Are you callin gteh Spice Girls 'shallow'?
Surely not! They are among the greatest philosophers of our time
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"Well, that's one way to look at it. I always read it as, a relationship is the deepest and most committed of friendships. A partner being friends with my friends indicates that there's compatibility between me and my partner, just as there's compatibility between me and my friends. Plus, people I love getting on with each other makes my life easier. "Abuse" is an... unorthodox take. And as others have said, this thirty year old pop song seems to be hanging over you a bit too much. I suspect it was never that deep. Are you callin gteh Spice Girls 'shallow'?
Surely not! They are among the greatest philosophers of our time
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""If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. Make it last forever, friendship never ends" - These lines sum up everything that’s wrong with how many modern relationships are viewed. A man is not a dog seeking approval from the pack. Love isn’t a group decision — it’s a bond between two people. Friends don’t get a vote. If they try to sabotage that bond, they should be the ones excluded, not the partner. In any real, lasting relationship, loyalty to your spouse comes first — above friends, extended family, even parents. Only children may share that top place. Everyone else is second. Look at John Lydon and Nora Forster. People told them not to be together. Friends warned them it wouldn’t work. They didn’t care. They chose each other — and stayed together for over 40 years, until her death. That’s what love looks like. And it doesn’t need permission. The song is a clear glorification of abuse." Interest interpretation. Can I request a song inquest op? How about “No Vaseline by Ice Cube”? | |||
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"The em dash really stands out these days" Yeah... can't be arsed arguing with it. | |||
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"“Everything that’s wrong” 🤣🤣🤣" All attention is good attention, I guess | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual " | |||
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"And I thought I was an over thinker 🤔 " Same here | |||
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"You could do a whole thread on songs with problematic lyrics. Wannabe wouldn't feature. " Exactly, I regularly watch the discovery channel and I’ve never seen anyone from the Bloodhound gang do anything on there. | |||
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""If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. Make it last forever, friendship never ends" - These lines sum up everything that’s wrong with how many modern relationships are viewed. A man is not a dog seeking approval from the pack. Love isn’t a group decision — it’s a bond between two people. Friends don’t get a vote. If they try to sabotage that bond, they should be the ones excluded, not the partner. In any real, lasting relationship, loyalty to your spouse comes first — above friends, extended family, even parents. Only children may share that top place. Everyone else is second. Look at John Lydon and Nora Forster. People told them not to be together. Friends warned them it wouldn’t work. They didn’t care. They chose each other — and stayed together for over 40 years, until her death. That’s what love looks like. And it doesn’t need permission. The song is a clear glorification of abuse.I'm with your line of thinking "I disagree totally I think i a roundabout way the O P may have had relatiobship problems hopefully not. Words in a song are exactly that words, using another referring to song Delila Tom Jones did not murder Delila. Its a bit like the writer of the song We're having a gangbang that does not mean the writer had one it is lyrics to music | |||
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"My friends don't tell me who I can and can't date They do however bring a different viewpoint, and honestly having someone else just ask a question that you hadn't previously acknowledged for yourself makes a big difference. If my friends and partner don't have any common interests or enjoy each others company, no problem, we just won't hang out together all at once. If my friends highlight serious issues within the relationship, I'll acknowledge and work through them. If the partner asks me to stop seeing my friends because they don't like him, he goes in the bin. "I don't click with your friends, but I respect that they're important to you. I'd just rather not spend much tine with them myself." Perfectly valid statement. No issues. "If you loved me, you'd stop seeing your friends. You don't need anyone but me. All your friends are bad for you." Get out 💜" This 👏🏼 I sense a bit of a 🚩… and still not sure how the song glorifies abuse? But I would say it’s coercive to try and make someone prioritise their partner above their friends or family and potentially isolate themselves… | |||
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"There's a lot that's confusing on this thread. But the most confusing thing is that 'Wannabe' is being used as a current cultural reference point." his LLM has only be trained up to 1996 | |||
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"To the O P Tbh reading it through a few times I was so confused then on other posts it seems to me that are you having or had relationship problems hopefully not. Quite confusing" I think if the works were collected in an anthology they'd be titled What women think they want and why they're wrong. But apparently he arranged to import a bride just a couple of days ago so I think he'll be fine 💜 | |||
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"There's a lot that's confusing on this thread. But the most confusing thing is that 'Wannabe' is being used as a current cultural reference point.his LLM has only be trained up to 1996" It's an expert on expectations of Eastern European women though! (Green arrow...) | |||
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" Unclear how it's abusive though. " "Slam your body down and wind it all around Ha ha ha ha ha" Is this a reference to abuse ? | |||
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""If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. Make it last forever, friendship never ends" - These lines sum up everything that’s wrong with how many modern relationships are viewed. A man is not a dog seeking approval from the pack. Love isn’t a group decision — it’s a bond between two people. Friends don’t get a vote. If they try to sabotage that bond, they should be the ones excluded, not the partner. In any real, lasting relationship, loyalty to your spouse comes first — above friends, extended family, even parents. Only children may share that top place. Everyone else is second. Look at John Lydon and Nora Forster. People told them not to be together. Friends warned them it wouldn’t work. They didn’t care. They chose each other — and stayed together for over 40 years, until her death. That’s what love looks like. And it doesn’t need permission. The song is a clear glorification of abuse." I'm not really sure what your point is but I think you have have to remember that this song was coming off the back of the 'ladism' of the early '90s and for that reason, was very significant culturally. It was watered down with the 'girl power' movement but all the same, it played its part in the demise of 'Loaded', etc. Given your age, you're possibly not aware of the impact that it had so you could be part-excused, but that shouldn't disguise the fact that there is something highly suspicious about the message you're sending out here. | |||
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" Unclear how it's abusive though. "Slam your body down and wind it all around Ha ha ha ha ha" Is this a reference to abuse ? " I don't know. I'm really lost by the calling it abusive. It really does seem to be relating specifically to a woman considering her friends as important to her life as some kind of anti-male abuse tactic. But OP has not clarified 💜 | |||
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" Unclear how it's abusive though. "Slam your body down and wind it all around Ha ha ha ha ha" Is this a reference to abuse ? I don't know. I'm really lost by the calling it abusive. It really does seem to be relating specifically to a woman considering her friends as important to her life as some kind of anti-male abuse tactic. But OP has not clarified 💜" It's probably some weird incel or Andrew Tate shit, like women shouldn't have friends or something | |||
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" Unclear how it's abusive though. "Slam your body down and wind it all around Ha ha ha ha ha" Is this a reference to abuse ? I don't know. I'm really lost by the calling it abusive. It really does seem to be relating specifically to a woman considering her friends as important to her life as some kind of anti-male abuse tactic. But OP has not clarified 💜 It's probably some weird incel or Andrew Tate shit, like women shouldn't have friends or something " There definitely appears to be some dating coach influence in there 💜 | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog."I would say that he dodged a bullet, no? | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog."Maybe the friends saw things which the girlfriend could not and wanted to protect their friend from an asshole. | |||
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"Is this the worst song lyric you can think of OP as there are plenty more throughout the last 50-60 years. I mean “hit me baby one more time” certainly chimes a lot more abusive than wannabe. Although I’m not coming at it from an Andrew Tate point of view. Thank god " Yeah but it's been good click bait to get everyone talking about a shit tune from the 90s all day | |||
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"The song is just that a song. Next you will be telling me 'Stairway to Heaven' is a direction manual
It was all like that, but the thing is that in many relationships in Britain, women actually do exactly this: they bring their boyfriend, show him to their friends, the friends say “he’s not right for you,” and she breaks up with him—despite the fact that it’s really none of their business, because no one should be asking for their opinion in the first place.
That’s the subtle point, because if she asks her friends’ opinion, it essentially means she is treating her man as if he were her dog."If this is happening to you often, the common denominator isn't the song, it's you. | |||
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"They also said “I really really really wanna zig a zig ah” So I wouldn’t take them too seriously. " Ah, but what does 'zig a zag ah' *really* mean? They're brainwashing young women and we don't even know how! I'm writing to The Telegraph immediately. | |||
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"They also said “I really really really wanna zig a zig ah” So I wouldn’t take them too seriously. Ah, but what does 'zig a zag ah' *really* mean? They're brainwashing young women and we don't even know how! I'm writing to The Telegraph immediately." I reckon it means “kebab and an early night” 🤭 | |||
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"They also said “I really really really wanna zig a zig ah” So I wouldn’t take them too seriously. Ah, but what does 'zig a zag ah' *really* mean? They're brainwashing young women and we don't even know how! I'm writing to The Telegraph immediately. I reckon it means “kebab and an early night” 🤭 " No complaints there then... | |||
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"They also said “I really really really wanna zig a zig ah” So I wouldn’t take them too seriously. Ah, but what does 'zig a zag ah' *really* mean? They're brainwashing young women and we don't even know how! I'm writing to The Telegraph immediately. I reckon it means “kebab and an early night” 🤭 " I thought they were just huge big breakfast fans 🤷♂️ | |||
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"My friends don't tell me who I can and can't date They do however bring a different viewpoint, and honestly having someone else just ask a question that you hadn't previously acknowledged for yourself makes a big difference. If my friends and partner don't have any common interests or enjoy each others company, no problem, we just won't hang out together all at once. If my friends highlight serious issues within the relationship, I'll acknowledge and work through them. If the partner asks me to stop seeing my friends because they don't like him, he goes in the bin. "I don't click with your friends, but I respect that they're important to you. I'd just rather not spend much tine with them myself." Perfectly valid statement. No issues. "If you loved me, you'd stop seeing your friends. You don't need anyone but me. All your friends are bad for you." Get out 💜" Absolutely spot on and I wish I'd been like that when I was younger. I met my first husband and we were moved in together and married within 9 months. He cut me off from all my friends with the same statements you hightlight here. He was controlling and abusive. I didn't see it myself and my friends tried to warn me. I eventually got out after 9 years and I would never let this happen again. The OP is pointing out the lines in a song and other ls are saying it's not that deep but sometimes friends see the red flags that the "loved up" person has missed. Friends are often the saviours in these situations. | |||
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""If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends. Make it last forever, friendship never ends" - These lines sum up everything that’s wrong with how many modern relationships are viewed. A man is not a dog seeking approval from the pack. Love isn’t a group decision — it’s a bond between two people. Friends don’t get a vote. If they try to sabotage that bond, they should be the ones excluded, not the partner. In any real, lasting relationship, loyalty to your spouse comes first — above friends, extended family, even parents. Only children may share that top place. Everyone else is second. Look at John Lydon and Nora Forster. People told them not to be together. Friends warned them it wouldn’t work. They didn’t care. They chose each other — and stayed together for over 40 years, until her death. That’s what love looks like. And it doesn’t need permission. The song is a clear glorification of abuse." Equally it could be argued that by the woman refusing to be isolated from her support group, the man, who is told that others are watching, is unable to gaslight and abuse her. Or it’s just an old pop song | |||
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"They also said “I really really really wanna zig a zig ah” So I wouldn’t take them too seriously. Ah, but what does 'zig a zag ah' *really* mean? They're brainwashing young women and we don't even know how! I'm writing to The Telegraph immediately." A “zig a zig ah “ is a misheard phrase, or possibly censored, indicating the urge to enjoy tobacco. It’s actually a “cig or cigar” but after president Clinton’s antics, it had a sexual meaning unsuitable for popular music. | |||
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