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Shamima Begum Appeal Result

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
40 weeks ago

Chelmsford

Today the Shamima Begum Appeal result will be passed down.

Should She Stay or Should She Go Now.

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By *en JerkinoffMan
40 weeks ago

whitehaven

I have three point, two points that might not be unpopular.

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

2. You often see in news papers and people's opinions on immigrants/asylum seekers who commit crimes in this country to be sent back home. I would expect that if a UK national had committed a crime in another country to serve their sentence and be sent back to the UK.

3. Once back in the UK she should be risk assessed, tried and sentenced accordingly.

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By *uckyNineMan
40 weeks ago

prescot

I’m led to beleive that if she stays there will be trouble, but if she goes there will be double…

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By *hrowawaydevice1987Man
40 weeks ago

SW London/Surrey


"I’m led to beleive that if she stays there will be trouble, but if she goes there will be double…"

Come on just let me know

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago

If we had a foreign born terrorist here we’d be clamouring to deport them so their own country can deal with them.

She’s our responsibility, like it or not.

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By *uckyNineMan
40 weeks ago

prescot


"I’m led to beleive that if she stays there will be trouble, but if she goes there will be double…

Come on just let me know"

Should she stay or should she go?

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By *orny-DJMan
40 weeks ago

Leigh-on-Sea

And....

...she lost

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"And....

...she lost"

Excellent news and welcome deterrent.

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"And....

...she lost

Excellent news and welcome deterrent."

Only if you believe we should be responsible for foreign terrorists.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
40 weeks ago

Chelmsford

The Supreme Court next

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By *wisted999Man
40 weeks ago

North Bucks

Oh well.

Not something I will personally lose sleep over.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
40 weeks ago

Worcester

Children who are groomed should be looked after by their home nation, not made stateless.

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"

She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
40 weeks ago

Beverley


"And....

...she lost

Excellent news and welcome deterrent.

Only if you believe we should be responsible for foreign terrorists. "

Fair shout

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"Children who are groomed should be looked after by their home nation, not made stateless."

Agree

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By *ndecidedMan
40 weeks ago

London

She was groomed as a child. Liken it or lump it, she was a British child and hence our responsibility.

The other thing is we've arrested pedos who committed acts abroad and thrown them in jail here because they were British. Even the most vile ones were not abandoned in foreign jails, they were arrested again on their return.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
40 weeks ago

Bristol.

I have been watching and following this case since 2015 and realise that there is much I don't and will never know about the whole situation...so I have to trust the professionals/ experts with judgement and hope they have reached the right decision...

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By *ee VianteWoman
40 weeks ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

We've already let hundreds of people, including men who actually fought for ISIS, back in so I don't know why we're "making an example" of her.

Whatever I think about whether they should be allowed back or not, they should all be treated the same.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
40 weeks ago

Border of London


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

"

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?"

I don’t think anyone should be suggesting that Begum didn’t do wrong - the argument I believe is who is responsible for dealing with her now.

I fail to see any argument against her being our responsibility.

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By *ee VianteWoman
40 weeks ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?"

Australia are currently prosecuting a young woman who was groomed and abused as a minor for trying to arrange to have sex with other minors, (once she was of age).

I'm pretty disgusted with how a badly abused young woman is being treated in that case.

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By *lmost TouchingMan
40 weeks ago

Wherever I lay my hat.

If we could ban irresponsible religions, I would open the door.

Unfortunately the politically correct amongst us will protest the injustice of it.

The truth is we can’t control reckless clerics or the vulnerable fools that they convince.

We have lost the cultural identity that was Britain and instead of people fleeing failed states and coming to enjoy the freedom afforded, they use this freedom to decry the people offering it and insist on establishing the very rules they “fled” by the first place.

On a similar not of failed ideology: We have a section of our society that is so precious about the Hamas led state of Gaza, why are we so sanctimonious about the injustice but Egypt is not opening its borders to them?…

Personally knowing many Egyptians, I promise you that the BBC will not be broadcasting those interviews as they don’t fit the narrative that the Left want to support.

Leaving SB where she is prevents the next group of “British” girls going to the next foolish Jihad.

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By *lmost TouchingMan
40 weeks ago

Wherever I lay my hat.


"Children who are groomed should be looked after by their home nation, not made stateless."

In this case I disagree, I suggest that those who groomed her, The religious institutions are well known and the one local to her family specifically are still open and doing what they always did.

Once these criminals are recognised as such, then bring home the victims.

Undoubtedly I need to stop now or I will get cancelled from the chat rooms.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
40 weeks ago

Border of London


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?

I don’t think anyone should be suggesting that Begum didn’t do wrong - the argument I believe is who is responsible for dealing with her now.

"

"If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.”

This was purely a response to the above text in point 1 above. About "not blaming".

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By *heGateKeeperMan
40 weeks ago

Stratford

Terrible outcome imo that sets an even worse precedent that will disproportionately affection black and brown faces.

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By *arlot o scaraWoman
40 weeks ago

Hell


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?"

Yes. Because he would still be dealt with by the law.

Why have you framed this like he was saying she should be let off?

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By *arlot o scaraWoman
40 weeks ago

Hell


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?

I don’t think anyone should be suggesting that Begum didn’t do wrong - the argument I believe is who is responsible for dealing with her now.

"If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.”

This was purely a response to the above text in point 1 above. About "not blaming"."

He’s completely right. In fact, he’s basically reiterated the age of responsibility in the mental capacity act.

That’s still not to say that people won’t be dealt with for breaking the law

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By *arlot o scaraWoman
40 weeks ago

Hell


"I have been watching and following this case since 2015 and realise that there is much I don't and will never know about the whole situation...so I have to trust the professionals/ experts with judgement and hope they have reached the right decision..."

They have bowed to pressure from the British public.

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By *eliusMan
40 weeks ago

Henlow


"I have been watching and following this case since 2015 and realise that there is much I don't and will never know about the whole situation...so I have to trust the professionals/ experts with judgement and hope they have reached the right decision...

They have bowed to pressure from the British public. "

And rightly so.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
40 weeks ago

Border of London


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?

Yes. Because he would still be dealt with by the law.

Why have you framed this like he was saying she should be let off? "

Because the comparison to a young girl groomed into sex is wrong. In one case, the girl is a victim and nothing more. In the other, the girl is a perpetrator of a crime. It was not a comment on whether the outcome was right or wrong, or even whether there should or should not be blame. You could equally ask why the comparison was framed as a girl groomed into sex. Blame can also be shared, and mitigated by indoctrination, surely? In the example given with the 15yo groomed into sex, there's almost certainly no blame. In Shamima's case, there is an argument that there is shared blame, but also mitigation.

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By *dwalu2Couple
40 weeks ago

Bristol


"

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?

Yes. Because he would still be dealt with by the law.

Why have you framed this like he was saying she should be let off?

Because the comparison to a young girl groomed into sex is wrong. In one case, the girl is a victim and nothing more. In the other, the girl is a perpetrator of a crime. It was not a comment on whether the outcome was right or wrong, or even whether there should or should not be blame. You could equally ask why the comparison was framed as a girl groomed into sex. Blame can also be shared, and mitigated by indoctrination, surely? In the example given with the 15yo groomed into sex, there's almost certainly no blame. In Shamima's case, there is an argument that there is shared blame, but also mitigation."

If you have to frame your thoughts on a question as an hypothetical rather than the question, it’s because you know your thoughts on the original question don’t bear any scrutiny.

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By *ickdasterdly51Man
40 weeks ago

Lingfield

Let me be clear, I loathe ISIS and anyone who supports them. However we need to own our problems not pass them onto another country that has no connection to her.

Like it or not she was born and raised in Britain and left Britain as a 15 year old and on a British passport.

Also, why has there not been a similar outcry over the hundreds (at least 400) male ISIS fighters who have returned to the UK. They are far more of a threat to us than a young woman. Maybe it's easier for people to vent their hatred towards a young woman.

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By *ax6593Man
40 weeks ago

tyneside

Great news leave her where she is

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
40 weeks ago

Cumbria

Google Rhianan Rudd, and then tell me what strikes you as being different about the two girls.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
40 weeks ago

Border of London


"

If you have to frame your thoughts on a question as an hypothetical rather than the question, it’s because you know your thoughts on the original question don’t bear any scrutiny."

What rubbish.

There was an analogy given.

A more accurate analogy was proposed.

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By *ostindreamsMan
40 weeks ago

London


"I have three point, two points that might not be unpopular.

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

2. You often see in news papers and people's opinions on immigrants/asylum seekers who commit crimes in this country to be sent back home. I would expect that if a UK national had committed a crime in another country to serve their sentence and be sent back to the UK.

3. Once back in the UK she should be risk assessed, tried and sentenced accordingly."

I don't have a strong argument against 2 and 3.

But 1 is not valid. When a young girl is groomed for sex, it's not her having sex that's the crime. It's only grooming that's crime. But when it comes to terrorism, both her act of terrorism and grooming itself are both crimes. Not to mention she doesn't look like she regrets her decision at all. People would have some sympathy if she feels sorry for what she did. But that definitely doesn't seem to be the case?

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago

Her lawyers say "we will continue to line our pockets, I mean carry on fighting".

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By *elvet RopeMan
40 weeks ago

by the big field

If she's that desperate to be back in the UK, we seem to have some uninhabited islands in Tristan da Cunha...build her a little cell to sit in for 50 years, send someone over once a week with a few rations and leave her to it

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
40 weeks ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

There is more to this than they are telling us I believe.

Decisions made are underpinned by knowledge we have no clue about sourced by those in higher places. I have a friend in counter terrorism and some stuff he tells me is terrifying. I trust their judgement because they know more than I ever will on the subject.

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By *adCherriesCouple
40 weeks ago

Cheshire/Northwest

Fantastic, hope she rots over there

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By *adCherriesCouple
40 weeks ago

Cheshire/Northwest

They obviously see her as a threat, if she carried out an attack in a few years at a Taylor Swift concert- I'm sure everyone will be blaming the government.

Obviously she's being made an example of, as someone else stated, others had returned from fighting without consequence but that is hard to prove when they are adults and not being reported as a missing person, like she was.

I wonder if the full details of what she has carried out will be released as I highly doubt she was there for the sun, sex and food.

Mrs

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
40 weeks ago

Chelmsford

There is more to this story than meets the eye

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By *arla SwingerWoman
40 weeks ago

Somewhere

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago

I found these documentaries on the subject of Isis brides interesting:

"My daugthter and the caliphate"

"Leaving the Islamic State -- Life back in Germany"

Both available on the DW channel on YouTube.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
40 weeks ago

Central

It was technically the legally appropriate answer. But she should not lose her citizenship

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"I found these documentaries on the subject of Isis brides interesting:

"My daugthter and the caliphate"

"Leaving the Islamic State -- Life back in Germany"

Both available on the DW channel on YouTube."

Thanks

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By *riskynriskyCouple
40 weeks ago

Essex.

I wonder how many people saying she was groomed, at 15 she didn't know what she was doing are also saying give 16 year olds the vote?

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"There is more to this story than meets the eye"

I thought that surely there must be more evidence of her being a threat, to merit the stripping of her citizenship, than viewing her like the other returned British born pro ISIS fighters, or young victims of trafficking. They don't see her as a brainwashed teen that's now radicalised, traumatized & numb to emotion but essentially harmless, our problem & able to face concequences on her return, so seems there's more reasoning thats hidden?!

Or is it that she's an easy political goal to humour the public & keep her from returning?

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"I’m led to beleive that if she stays there will be trouble, but if she goes there will be double…"
haha very good.

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By *ennyleeeWoman
40 weeks ago

Southampton

Who's paying for all these court cases , pretty she can't afford it.

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By *en JerkinoffMan
40 weeks ago

whitehaven


"I have three point, two points that might not be unpopular.

1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

2. You often see in news papers and people's opinions on immigrants/asylum seekers who commit crimes in this country to be sent back home. I would expect that if a UK national had committed a crime in another country to serve their sentence and be sent back to the UK.

3. Once back in the UK she should be risk assessed, tried and sentenced accordingly.

I don't have a strong argument against 2 and 3.

But 1 is not valid. When a young girl is groomed for sex, it's not her having sex that's the crime. It's only grooming that's crime. But when it comes to terrorism, both her act of terrorism and grooming itself are both crimes. Not to mention she doesn't look like she regrets her decision at all. People would have some sympathy if she feels sorry for what she did. But that definitely doesn't seem to be the case?"

I point one I never mention if it's a crime or not. All I said we don't appropriate blame in grooming cases. The point I was trying to make is that when someone who is young and is groomed are being manipulated into an act.

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By *he Gentleman 84Man
40 weeks ago

North East

This will be unpopular she Gave up her citizen ship & detested Britain wanting acts of terror to be committed to the country she abandoned. Her & any other party who were to do this should never be allowed to step back into this country. She was actively celebrating the decapitation of British taken hostage by Isis what about there families they will not want her back in the UK. She gave up her citizenship by choice let her live with the consequences, i know there will be a lot who won’t agree & those that will but it’s my opinion on this & it won’t change!

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By *lay 4 uMan
40 weeks ago

bolton

Let her rot with the rest of them were she is . At 15 yrs old you no right from wrong .

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
40 weeks ago

Worcester


"Let her rot with the rest of them were she is . At 15 yrs old you no right from wrong ."

If at 15 a child is not deemed to have the capacity to consent to sex or enter many other contracts, then she is not old enough to understand the long-term consequences of other actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago

She can burn in hell, along with all the other terrorists

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
40 weeks ago

Cumbria

Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

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By *ostindreamsMan
40 weeks ago

London


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them."

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
40 weeks ago

Cumbria


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them"

So you think that after being groomed to join ISIS in the first place, then being part of ISIS for a few years, where she would’ve been controlled in very frightening ways, she would risk her life and say how terrible ISIS is?

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By *illybeachboyMan
40 weeks ago

Guernsey

She should go and stay gone.

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By *ittle. BeaverWoman
40 weeks ago

Launceston


"This will be unpopular she Gave up her citizen ship & detested Britain wanting acts of terror to be committed to the country she abandoned. Her & any other party who were to do this should never be allowed to step back into this country. She was actively celebrating the decapitation of British taken hostage by Isis what about there families they will not want her back in the UK. She gave up her citizenship by choice let her live with the consequences, i know there will be a lot who won’t agree & those that will but it’s my opinion on this & it won’t change! "

I totally agree with this point.

She has to accept her actions have consequences and now live with it!

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
40 weeks ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

How old was she when she said the Manchester bombings were justified? Old enough to know the impact of that statement I'm sure.

She later regretted saying it...so she understands consequences. How convenient, I wondered if she changed her thought to fit her narrative.

There is a reason she has lost her appeal. The threat to national security overrides her reasons to come back to the UK.

I don't believe she stopped supporting ISIS, she would of been annihilated by now had she of done I'm sure.

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By *ittle. BeaverWoman
40 weeks ago

Launceston


"There is more to this than they are telling us I believe.

Decisions made are underpinned by knowledge we have no clue about sourced by those in higher places. I have a friend in counter terrorism and some stuff he tells me is terrifying. I trust their judgement because they know more than I ever will on the subject."

This makes sense. I assume she is a national security threat, rather than just another innocent who has been groomed!

I'd rather not give a terrorist the benefit of the doubt!

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
40 weeks ago

Cheshire

I wonder if she was the daughter of a Tory donor would she get the same treatment ? o-

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By *ostindreamsMan
40 weeks ago

London


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them

So you think that after being groomed to join ISIS in the first place, then being part of ISIS for a few years, where she would’ve been controlled in very frightening ways, she would risk her life and say how terrible ISIS is?"

She said she had no regrets joining ISIS even after she left ISIS. She said she left ISIS because it was corrupt and oppressive, but she didn't really mind the beheadings.

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By *awpleasureMan
40 weeks ago

Sutton Coldfield


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them"

Absolutely this. Don't forget the beheading she said she was fine about and didn't bother her.

The whole saga is a massive deterrent for any UK citizen thinking of joining a terrorist group.

All the sympathisers, would you be saying this if it was a man instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them

So you think that after being groomed to join ISIS in the first place, then being part of ISIS for a few years, where she would’ve been controlled in very frightening ways, she would risk her life and say how terrible ISIS is?"

Impossible to say. The two videos I referenced earliet in this thread document a similar case in Germany.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
40 weeks ago

Cumbria


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them

Absolutely this. Don't forget the beheading she said she was fine about and didn't bother her.

The whole saga is a massive deterrent for any UK citizen thinking of joining a terrorist group.

All the sympathisers, would you be saying this if it was a man instead. "

She was a girl, not a woman. I’d be quite disturbed if anyone were to consider a 15 year old girl a woman. So the equivalent would be a boy.

And yes, I would be saying this if she had been a boy. She should be brought home and tried in a British court, the face whatever sentence is deemed correct.

Again, Google Rhianan Rudd and see how a white child was treated in a similar position.

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By (user no longer on site)
40 weeks ago


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All the sympathisers, would you be saying this if it was a man instead. "

Pointing out that she is our responsibility is not being a sympathiser. Yes, I would expect the same of a man - a terrorist born in the UK is the UK’s responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
39 weeks ago


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them."

Quite concerning, the number of sycophantic, hand-wringing, bleeding heart apologists! She will die in a dusty, flea-bitten refugee camp surrounded by her ilk.. Good!

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By *awpleasureMan
39 weeks ago

Sutton Coldfield


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them

Absolutely this. Don't forget the beheading she said she was fine about and didn't bother her.

The whole saga is a massive deterrent for any UK citizen thinking of joining a terrorist group.

All the sympathisers, would you be saying this if it was a man instead.

She was a girl, not a woman. I’d be quite disturbed if anyone were to consider a 15 year old girl a woman. So the equivalent would be a boy.

And yes, I would be saying this if she had been a boy. She should be brought home and tried in a British court, the face whatever sentence is deemed correct.

Again, Google Rhianan Rudd and see how a white child was treated in a similar position."

Again, google what she said about beheadings when aged 19 which is adult age and a woman.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
39 weeks ago

Worcester


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them

So you think that after being groomed to join ISIS in the first place, then being part of ISIS for a few years, where she would’ve been controlled in very frightening ways, she would risk her life and say how terrible ISIS is?

She said she had no regrets joining ISIS even after she left ISIS. She said she left ISIS because it was corrupt and oppressive, but she didn't really mind the beheadings."

Plenty of people in this country are pro capital punishment.

Should we make them stateless too?

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By *awpleasureMan
39 weeks ago

Sutton Coldfield


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1. She was groomed when she was 15. If a young girl was groomed into sex then we would not blame her for the acts she committed.why are we blame what was, a 15 year old girl for being groomed into something she did not have the capacity to fully understand. She was a child.

So.

Let's say a young male was groomed online from age 15 to get involved in sadistic sexual activity by predators. After six months he moved to an area with these predators and (from 16-20) he helped to lure in children and he participated in abducting a couple of people who were then assaulted and killed.

Do we still feel the same way?"

Exactly, it's a deterrent to any other person wanting to join an enemy state.

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By *onameyet2Man
39 weeks ago

chorley

She’s easily corrupted, not very bright and aligns herself with destructive organisations.

Next Tory leader me thinks

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By *ermite12ukMan
39 weeks ago

Solihull and Brentwood


"She’s easily corrupted, not very bright and aligns herself with destructive organisations.

Next Tory leader me thinks "

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By *ermite12ukMan
39 weeks ago

Solihull and Brentwood

All she needs to do, is wait until Labour gets back in. Then she will be welcomed back with open arms.

As a labour supporter, I sincerely hope that will be 2124.

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By (user no longer on site)
39 weeks ago

She went away at 15 lost 2 children.

Young and stupid.

Let her back in to the UK .

Get job in the Home Office

Talking the danger of doing what she did .

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By (user no longer on site)
39 weeks ago


"She went away at 15 lost 2 children.

Young and stupid.

Let her back in to the UK .

Get job in the Home Office

Talking the danger of doing what she did .

"

Who da fuk is this guy!

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
39 weeks ago

Cumbria


"Quite concerning the number of people who are absolutely convinced that 15 year old girls are definitely old enough to know exactly what they are doing and can definitely consent and take responsibility for whatever anyone does to them.

Even after she became an adult, she was supportive of ISIS and said she didn't regret joining them

Absolutely this. Don't forget the beheading she said she was fine about and didn't bother her.

The whole saga is a massive deterrent for any UK citizen thinking of joining a terrorist group.

All the sympathisers, would you be saying this if it was a man instead.

She was a girl, not a woman. I’d be quite disturbed if anyone were to consider a 15 year old girl a woman. So the equivalent would be a boy.

And yes, I would be saying this if she had been a boy. She should be brought home and tried in a British court, the face whatever sentence is deemed correct.

Again, Google Rhianan Rudd and see how a white child was treated in a similar position.

Again, google what she said about beheadings when aged 19 which is adult age and a woman.

"

Yes because the grooming and brainwashing wears off on your 18th birthday…

I wish I could see the world in such simple terms, dealing with nuance is so tiring.

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