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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case " I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. | |||
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 but then they were talking about people dying on those ventilaters at the time and i was like f that! but na i dont find i get worse these days, but now every time someone coughs at the gym etc i get up and walk off lol | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case " I guess you don't know anything about virology or epidemiology then ? | |||
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"Covid feels almost forgotten with the exception that long Covid does exist and the slightest cold wrecks my lungs (experiencing it now). The world was reporting how scary times were..... maybe a bit of global lockdown wouldn't be a bad thing now! Does anyone else find colds/flu more severe on the body after Covid? " I don't think I have long Covid so cold and flus are about the same. | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I guess you don't know anything about virology or epidemiology then ?" When did you last get a "covid" booster jab? You do remember they were supposed to be done about every 6 months? Tell me, do you still go around with a ridiculous face mask on? Can you explain why people stopped dying of flu and pneumonia and then started again? | |||
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"Covid feels almost forgotten with the exception that long Covid does exist and the slightest cold wrecks my lungs (experiencing it now). The world was reporting how scary times were..... maybe a bit of global lockdown wouldn't be a bad thing now! Does anyone else find colds/flu more severe on the body after Covid? " What utter bull shit the whole scenario was, a complete and utter waste of money | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I guess you don't know anything about virology or epidemiology then ? When did you last get a "covid" booster jab? You do remember they were supposed to be done about every 6 months? Tell me, do you still go around with a ridiculous face mask on? Can you explain why people stopped dying of flu and pneumonia and then started again?" Do keep up, the past is occupying far too much of your time. Read about evolution of virus,read about how lack of social interaction limits spread of flu and pneumonia. Lots of stuff for you to learn about xx | |||
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"We can get an accurate idea as to what would have happened had we not locked down by looking at countries which didn’t lock down (eg Sweden) I disagreed strongly with lockdown and still do. Respiratory infections are always going to be dangerous to the very young, elderly and those who are immunocompromised. Respectfully, that was, and is, no reason for lockdown and it was inappropriate to do so incurring the large expense and opening up all the fraudulent applications for bounce back loans and CBILS. We are now spending a fortune in trying to pursue those who fraudulently obtained the funding. We are still haemorrhaging public money caused by lockdown. " You need to study how Sweden actually controlled COVID spread by self discipline and social distancing, something Brits couldn't be trusted to do. Saying they didn't lock down is only a small part of the story often used to pursue a false agenda | |||
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"We can get an accurate idea as to what would have happened had we not locked down by looking at countries which didn’t lock down (eg Sweden) I disagreed strongly with lockdown and still do. Respiratory infections are always going to be dangerous to the very young, elderly and those who are immunocompromised. Respectfully, that was, and is, no reason for lockdown and it was inappropriate to do so incurring the large expense and opening up all the fraudulent applications for bounce back loans and CBILS. We are now spending a fortune in trying to pursue those who fraudulently obtained the funding. We are still haemorrhaging public money caused by lockdown. You need to study how Sweden actually controlled COVID spread by self discipline and social distancing, something Brits couldn't be trusted to do. Saying they didn't lock down is only a small part of the story often used to pursue a false agenda " I never said they did nothing. I said they didn’t lock down. I’m well aware of what they did thank you K | |||
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"We can get an accurate idea as to what would have happened had we not locked down by looking at countries which didn’t lock down (eg Sweden) I disagreed strongly with lockdown and still do. Respiratory infections are always going to be dangerous to the very young, elderly and those who are immunocompromised. Respectfully, that was, and is, no reason for lockdown and it was inappropriate to do so incurring the large expense and opening up all the fraudulent applications for bounce back loans and CBILS. We are now spending a fortune in trying to pursue those who fraudulently obtained the funding. We are still haemorrhaging public money caused by lockdown. " It's estimated that we could have potentially saved tens of thousands of lives,if we'd locked down earlier, when experts advised to. It might have meant shorter periods of restrictions. Early on, we knew very little about the virus, though close to home, we had evidence of seeing how it had severe impacts on places like Italy. We had a couple of weeks leeway from them. | |||
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"We can get an accurate idea as to what would have happened had we not locked down by looking at countries which didn’t lock down (eg Sweden) I disagreed strongly with lockdown and still do. Respiratory infections are always going to be dangerous to the very young, elderly and those who are immunocompromised. Respectfully, that was, and is, no reason for lockdown and it was inappropriate to do so incurring the large expense and opening up all the fraudulent applications for bounce back loans and CBILS. We are now spending a fortune in trying to pursue those who fraudulently obtained the funding. We are still haemorrhaging public money caused by lockdown. It's estimated that we could have potentially saved tens of thousands of lives,if we'd locked down earlier, when experts advised to. It might have meant shorter periods of restrictions. Early on, we knew very little about the virus, though close to home, we had evidence of seeing how it had severe impacts on places like Italy. We had a couple of weeks leeway from them. " This assertion is very questionable. The Public Enquiry, which has cost £200m plus, unlike previous ones, did not have anyone able to properly analyse big data sets and consequently made erroneous claims which don’t stand up to serious scrutiny. | |||
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"Never had it. Never had any jabs either or flu jabs. Don’t know why people still get either of them. They obviously make you worse of " The evidence is very clear that they make overwhelmingly positive contributions to good health and well-being. They also gave a huge benefit, when we'd been struggling globally with the pandemic | |||
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"Never had COVID but since having the first 2 jabs it seems to to take longer to get rid of a cough or cold , which I rarely get but when I do it wipes me out" Interesting. My mum has literally had an endless battle against various illnesses and things that the doctors can’t explain, ever since the jabs… I had Covid once around lockdown, it was mild tbh, I never got jabbed and been all good ever since and very very rarely get colds and if I do I can usually shake them pretty quick. Not saying the jabs are directly linked to these things but it’s certainly interesting… I’ve known a few people have unexpected and unexplainable health complications since the jabs Maybe I’m bias because I didn’t get the jab so my brain chooses to remember / notice things in my favour But it’s interesting to observe nonetheless | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I guess you don't know anything about virology or epidemiology then ?" No more than the average guy | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I guess you don't know anything about virology or epidemiology then ? When did you last get a "covid" booster jab? You do remember they were supposed to be done about every 6 months? Tell me, do you still go around with a ridiculous face mask on? Can you explain why people stopped dying of flu and pneumonia and then started again?" I still wear a ‘ridiculous face mask’ for many reasons. Firstly, I am a frontline healthcare professional that works with vulnerable people, as well as having eosinophillic asthma myself (means I drop like a rock when I get a cold/chest infection/Covid) and when I have a cold/chest infection/flu I am still well enough to work, but my infection could prove fatal to someone more vulnerable than myself. I honestly have no idea why we haven’t been wearing them frontline for years. Secondly, I wear them now because my mum has just started chemotherapy and is therefore immunosuppressed. A minor bout of D&V/cold etc could be catastrophic for her. I had a nasty chest infection start a few days after she was admitted to hospital 2 weeks go. I wore a mask when I visited to protect both her, the staff on the ward and the other patients who are elderly and equally as vulnerable. So please don’t judge people on their decisions to wear a ‘ridiculous face mask’ - most educated people with common sense would do the same | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. " We know what happened in Sweden. We also know what happened in states across America where they locked down more harshly than those that didn’t. You can’t dispute the numbers, they didn’t work and they cause much more harm than good. That is a fact. | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. We know what happened in Sweden. We also know what happened in states across America where they locked down more harshly than those that didn’t. You can’t dispute the numbers, they didn’t work and they cause much more harm than good. That is a fact. " It's possible that deaths would have been considerably lower, by about a third, if Sweden hadn't been the outlier and had had a lockdown approach. Many people would say it's not okay to have their life sacrificed, given the choice. | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. We know what happened in Sweden. We also know what happened in states across America where they locked down more harshly than those that didn’t. You can’t dispute the numbers, they didn’t work and they cause much more harm than good. That is a fact. It's possible that deaths would have been considerably lower, by about a third, if Sweden hadn't been the outlier and had had a lockdown approach. Many people would say it's not okay to have their life sacrificed, given the choice. " Any stats to back this up? Take a look at how many people died in Sweden, you’ll see they had very similar death rates to other similar countries that did lock down, without the negative economic impac. Also, compare Florida to California. Very little difference in number of deaths. The long term effects of locking down are still being felt, closing the schools was criminal. There is simply no justification for it, they didn’t work. Simples | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case " Remember no-one actually knew what the mortality rate would be or how long it would take to develop a vaccine. These things only became known as the epidemic developed. The pros and cons of locking down are well discussed and it's difficult to balance whether actio sooner would have helped or if in the end similar result would have occurred. Hopefully the public enquiry might make us more prepared next time although I'm not too optimistic about that. | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case Remember no-one actually knew what the mortality rate would be or how long it would take to develop a vaccine. These things only became known as the epidemic developed. The pros and cons of locking down are well discussed and it's difficult to balance whether actio sooner would have helped or if in the end similar result would have occurred. Hopefully the public enquiry might make us more prepared next time although I'm not too optimistic about that." We did know sooner than they let on, we knew it affected older people more and people with underlying health conditions. Let’s not forget we continued to lock down for 18 months after, they knew much sooner, in fact they knew from Italy that it affected these people more but they still chose to lock everyone down. Perhaps they could have protected the vulnerable, gave better information, let people get some vitamin D (which has been proven to be very beneficial) and not locked everyone down. Hindsight is a marvellous thing… but lots of people were saying this from the very start. | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case " zzzzzzzzzz | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. We know what happened in Sweden. We also know what happened in states across America where they locked down more harshly than those that didn’t. You can’t dispute the numbers, they didn’t work and they cause much more harm than good. That is a fact. It's possible that deaths would have been considerably lower, by about a third, if Sweden hadn't been the outlier and had had a lockdown approach. Many people would say it's not okay to have their life sacrificed, given the choice. Any stats to back this up? Take a look at how many people died in Sweden, you’ll see they had very similar death rates to other similar countries that did lock down, without the negative economic impac. Also, compare Florida to California. Very little difference in number of deaths. The long term effects of locking down are still being felt, closing the schools was criminal. There is simply no justification for it, they didn’t work. Simples" While Sweden had a lower death rate than many Southern European countries, it experienced significantly higher mortality rates than its immediate Nordic neighbours (Norway, Denmark, and Finland) during the first two years of the pandemic. Deaths per million Sweden 2,793 Finland 2,058 Denmark 1,500 - 1,800* Norway 1,000 - 1,200* *Estimated based on trend data as official per-million updates vary by reporting source. | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. We know what happened in Sweden. We also know what happened in states across America where they locked down more harshly than those that didn’t. You can’t dispute the numbers, they didn’t work and they cause much more harm than good. That is a fact. It's possible that deaths would have been considerably lower, by about a third, if Sweden hadn't been the outlier and had had a lockdown approach. Many people would say it's not okay to have their life sacrificed, given the choice. Any stats to back this up? Take a look at how many people died in Sweden, you’ll see they had very similar death rates to other similar countries that did lock down, without the negative economic impac. Also, compare Florida to California. Very little difference in number of deaths. The long term effects of locking down are still being felt, closing the schools was criminal. There is simply no justification for it, they didn’t work. Simples" Search around for the scientific research evidence that's been conducted. Links to those are not permitted in the forum | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. " I think we do know. History holds lessons on free movement during Pandemics. Those that survived the black death and plague were often those that were isolated in small villages. | |||
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"Covid feels almost forgotten with the exception that long Covid does exist and the slightest cold wrecks my lungs (experiencing it now). The world was reporting how scary times were..... maybe a bit of global lockdown wouldn't be a bad thing now! Does anyone else find colds/flu more severe on the body after Covid? What utter bull shit the whole scenario was, a complete and utter waste of money" | |||
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"We can get an accurate idea as to what would have happened had we not locked down by looking at countries which didn’t lock down (eg Sweden) I disagreed strongly with lockdown and still do. Respiratory infections are always going to be dangerous to the very young, elderly and those who are immunocompromised. Respectfully, that was, and is, no reason for lockdown and it was inappropriate to do so incurring the large expense and opening up all the fraudulent applications for bounce back loans and CBILS. We are now spending a fortune in trying to pursue those who fraudulently obtained the funding. We are still haemorrhaging public money caused by lockdown. " | |||
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"We can get an accurate idea as to what would have happened had we not locked down by looking at countries which didn’t lock down (eg Sweden) I disagreed strongly with lockdown and still do. Respiratory infections are always going to be dangerous to the very young, elderly and those who are immunocompromised. Respectfully, that was, and is, no reason for lockdown and it was inappropriate to do so incurring the large expense and opening up all the fraudulent applications for bounce back loans and CBILS. We are now spending a fortune in trying to pursue those who fraudulently obtained the funding. We are still haemorrhaging public money caused by lockdown. You need to study how Sweden actually controlled COVID spread by self discipline and social distancing, something Brits couldn't be trusted to do. Saying they didn't lock down is only a small part of the story often used to pursue a false agenda " | |||
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"Never had it. Never had any jabs either or flu jabs. Don’t know why people still get either of them. They obviously make you worse of " | |||
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"My husband was absolutely fine, until he’d been vaccinated. Now he’s gone from running marathons to barely being able to do a 10k and being out of breath doing simple stuff. Glad he did that to ‘keep everyone safe’ " | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I guess you don't know anything about virology or epidemiology then ? When did you last get a "covid" booster jab? You do remember they were supposed to be done about every 6 months? Tell me, do you still go around with a ridiculous face mask on? Can you explain why people stopped dying of flu and pneumonia and then started again? I still wear a ‘ridiculous face mask’ for many reasons. Firstly, I am a frontline healthcare professional that works with vulnerable people, as well as having eosinophillic asthma myself (means I drop like a rock when I get a cold/chest infection/Covid) and when I have a cold/chest infection/flu I am still well enough to work, but my infection could prove fatal to someone more vulnerable than myself. I honestly have no idea why we haven’t been wearing them frontline for years. Secondly, I wear them now because my mum has just started chemotherapy and is therefore immunosuppressed. A minor bout of D&V/cold etc could be catastrophic for her. I had a nasty chest infection start a few days after she was admitted to hospital 2 weeks go. I wore a mask when I visited to protect both her, the staff on the ward and the other patients who are elderly and equally as vulnerable. So please don’t judge people on their decisions to wear a ‘ridiculous face mask’ - most educated people with common sense would do the same" | |||
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"Honestly I regret getting the jab. What did it even do? I know people who haven't had the jab and they're no better or worse after getting COVID than I was. What did I even get jabbed with" | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. We know what happened in Sweden. We also know what happened in states across America where they locked down more harshly than those that didn’t. You can’t dispute the numbers, they didn’t work and they cause much more harm than good. That is a fact. It's possible that deaths would have been considerably lower, by about a third, if Sweden hadn't been the outlier and had had a lockdown approach. Many people would say it's not okay to have their life sacrificed, given the choice. Any stats to back this up? Take a look at how many people died in Sweden, you’ll see they had very similar death rates to other similar countries that did lock down, without the negative economic impac. Also, compare Florida to California. Very little difference in number of deaths. The long term effects of locking down are still being felt, closing the schools was criminal. There is simply no justification for it, they didn’t work. Simples While Sweden had a lower death rate than many Southern European countries, it experienced significantly higher mortality rates than its immediate Nordic neighbours (Norway, Denmark, and Finland) during the first two years of the pandemic. Deaths per million Sweden 2,793 Finland 2,058 Denmark 1,500 - 1,800* Norway 1,000 - 1,200* *Estimated based on trend data as official per-million updates vary by reporting source. " | |||
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"Looking back it seems to me how unnecessary and disruptive the lockdowns were, loads of fear mongering happened. Not that intervention wasn’t needed but it was as if we were all expecting the end of the world because of the way it was reported and the reality is that wasn’t the case I think the thing is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't locked down. We know what happened in Sweden. We also know what happened in states across America where they locked down more harshly than those that didn’t. You can’t dispute the numbers, they didn’t work and they cause much more harm than good. That is a fact. It's possible that deaths would have been considerably lower, by about a third, if Sweden hadn't been the outlier and had had a lockdown approach. Many people would say it's not okay to have their life sacrificed, given the choice. Any stats to back this up? Take a look at how many people died in Sweden, you’ll see they had very similar death rates to other similar countries that did lock down, without the negative economic impac. Also, compare Florida to California. Very little difference in number of deaths. The long term effects of locking down are still being felt, closing the schools was criminal. There is simply no justification for it, they didn’t work. Simples While Sweden had a lower death rate than many Southern European countries, it experienced significantly higher mortality rates than its immediate Nordic neighbours (Norway, Denmark, and Finland) during the first two years of the pandemic. Deaths per million Sweden 2,793 Finland 2,058 Denmark 1,500 - 1,800* Norway 1,000 - 1,200* *Estimated based on trend data as official per-million updates vary by reporting source. " You need to interrogate AI some more, it’s sneaky like that…they built up immunity by not imposing harsh lockdowns… and didn’t have any of the other terrible consequences that go along with locking down… 1. Mortality: A Tale of Two Phases The Early Phase (2020): Sweden was a clear outlier. In 2020, Sweden experienced approximately 75 excess deaths per 100,000, while Denmark, Norway, and Finland had zero or even negative excess mortality. The Later Phase (2021–2022): The situation reversed. During the Delta and Omicron waves, Denmark, Norway, and Finland saw significant spikes in mortality while Sweden’s rates remained stable or declined. Cumulative Total (2020–2022): When aggregating the full three years, the differences narrowed substantially: Finland: ~190 excess deaths per 100,000 (highest in the region). Norway: ~121 excess deaths per 100,000. Sweden: ~117 excess deaths per 100,000. Denmark: ~86 excess deaths per 100,000 | |||
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