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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this " Probably know more than a 1000 people who had their jabs and only 2 had problems. The 1st had had problems with vaccines and medication in the past but was at risk so covid vaccination was thought wise.she had a massive allergic reaction.no more vaccines but she basically has to shield. One older guy had a skin reaction to his first jab but still had his other jabs. To balance that out I know several people quite young who caught covid mainly pre vaccine that got covid and are pretty much disabled. | |||
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"I know nobody who had a problem with the booster. " Same dont know a single person that has any issues with the vaccines or boosters | |||
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"I (male) had booster on December 16th 2021, then heart attack January 14th 2022." Yet well enough to visit Gran Canaria three times since?? | |||
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"So it seems covid can leave lasting effects on lots of body parts including the heart especially in yournger people ( younger than me anyway ) So it may be "just a cold" to some people but the after effects may be bad. Of course if you are vaccinated and had covid, how will we know if it is one or the other ?" https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/long-term-effects-of-coronavirus-long-covid/ | |||
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"So it seems covid can leave lasting effects on lots of body parts including the heart especially in yournger people ( younger than me anyway ) So it may be "just a cold" to some people but the after effects may be bad. Of course if you are vaccinated and had covid, how will we know if it is one or the other ? https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/long-term-effects-of-coronavirus-long-covid/" PS the BHF has some information of heart problems after Covid too | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. " Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? " Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. " Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. " It literally says on the NHS webpage the jabs can cause myocarditis. Look up "excess deaths UK". There are now more excess deaths than during the height of the pandemic. And there have been a large uptick in people with heart/cardiovascular problems. | |||
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"I've heard plenty of anecdotal evidence but that's all" Ah yes; the my partners, parents, neighbours, sons, babysitter, knows someone across the street... I'm sick of hearing that, spouting something like it's 100% conclusive and verified. One thing for certain is people are very tribal and close minded, I feel this has became a lot more common though and no body will conceed a thing. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. It literally says on the NHS webpage the jabs can cause myocarditis. Look up "excess deaths UK". There are now more excess deaths than during the height of the pandemic. And there have been a large uptick in people with heart/cardiovascular problems." Ate those excess deaths of myocarditis? And what percentage of people vaccinated develop myocarditis? Do you know how often myocarditis is fatal and how often people make a full recovery? Oh and I had it in 2012, and made a full recovery... | |||
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I don't think enough time has passed for accurate studies to be done on this whole nonsense - soon enough, the truth will come out.
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... " Why? | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. " No not at all. You've drawn that conclusion entirely on biased thinking and with no scientific data to back it up whatsoever. All we can say, is some people had heart problems after having a vaccine. No other conclusions can be drawn without additional facts. | |||
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"odd that the 450 deaths a day doesn't seem to bother anyone in Gov who couldn't care less about an unhealthy overweight nation if there's no votes or money in it."  | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? " Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact  | |||
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"Most definitely I had a load of heart attacks last year starting in January febafter the first jab then June June after the second jab three stents fitted then had my booster in December and had a massive attack in January another three stents the. 3-4 weeks ago had my fourth and now getting murmurs again I don’t believe in coincidences I’m shit scared I won’t get over another one " That sounds bloody scary. Surprising your gp or cardiologist didn't intervene after the first two. | |||
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"Most definitely I had a load of heart attacks last year starting in January febafter the first jab then June June after the second jab three stents fitted then had my booster in December and had a massive attack in January another three stents the. 3-4 weeks ago had my fourth and now getting murmurs again I don’t believe in coincidences I’m shit scared I won’t get over another one " That sounds awful and I'm glad you are still here to tell the story. But the amount of stents you've had make it pretty obvious that you have significant coronary atherosclerosis and that is caused over many years | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact "Yeah, all those things people are told to do to look after their heart funnily enough are born out of medical science. And obesity puts a huge strain on the heart, not least because a lifestyle that leads to obesity often includes a bad diet and lifestyle that ticks all the boxes that cause heart disease | |||
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" It literally says on the NHS webpage the jabs can cause myocarditis." It also says that about paracetamol and penicillan !! | |||
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" It literally says on the NHS webpage the jabs can cause myocarditis. It also says that about paracetamol and penicillan !!" Shhhh, dont mention the huge list of potential but unlikeky side effects on almost every medication! I mean if you are desperate to gelieve the vacine causes heart attacks then you have to cling on to the one cardiac condition listed even though anyone dying of myocarditis (which is incredibly rare) would have that recorded as the cause of death, not a myocardial infarction (medical term for a heart attack). It's laughable hoe people latch pn tp this after doing their own research! | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this " must be climate change that’s causing the spike in heart attacks. | |||
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"Most definitely I had a load of heart attacks last year starting in January febafter the first jab then June June after the second jab three stents fitted then had my booster in December and had a massive attack in January another three stents the. 3-4 weeks ago had my fourth and now getting murmurs again I don’t believe in coincidences I’m shit scared I won’t get over another one " so why did you keep getting jabbed if you thought the vaccines were causing them ? I’m sorry but your version of events is questionable to say the least . | |||
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"I (male) had booster on December 16th 2021, then heart attack January 14th 2022. Yet well enough to visit Gran Canaria three times since??" So what would you do sit in a chair watching tv for rest of life. | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact "Of course I understand that. The question however is whether those morbidly obese folks would have had the heart attack when they had it... Were it not for taking a vaccine. I mean we are all going to die eventually. The hope is surely that when we are given medicine it prolongs and improves our lives not shortens it.. | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact
Of course I understand that. The question however is whether those morbidly obese folks would have had the heart attack when they had it... Were it not for taking a vaccine. I mean we are all going to die eventually. The hope is surely that when we are given medicine it prolongs and improves our lives not shortens it.. "And you have proof that the “medicine” shortens life do you? | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact
Of course I understand that. The question however is whether those morbidly obese folks would have had the heart attack when they had it... Were it not for taking a vaccine. I mean we are all going to die eventually. The hope is surely that when we are given medicine it prolongs and improves our lives not shortens it..
And you have proof that the “medicine” shortens life do you? "No and nor did I say that. Not sure where you inferred that from. But I'm open minded to think if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck... There's a good chance its a duck. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. " But there has | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has" You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact
Of course I understand that. The question however is whether those morbidly obese folks would have had the heart attack when they had it... Were it not for taking a vaccine. I mean we are all going to die eventually. The hope is surely that when we are given medicine it prolongs and improves our lives not shortens it..
And you have proof that the “medicine” shortens life do you?
No and nor did I say that. Not sure where you inferred that from.
But I'm open minded to think if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck... There's a good chance its a duck. "And more implication… | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact
Of course I understand that. The question however is whether those morbidly obese folks would have had the heart attack when they had it... Were it not for taking a vaccine. I mean we are all going to die eventually. The hope is surely that when we are given medicine it prolongs and improves our lives not shortens it..
And you have proof that the “medicine” shortens life do you?
No and nor did I say that. Not sure where you inferred that from.
But I'm open minded to think if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck... There's a good chance its a duck.
And more implication…"Good lord. What is the implication? | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact
Of course I understand that. The question however is whether those morbidly obese folks would have had the heart attack when they had it... Were it not for taking a vaccine. I mean we are all going to die eventually. The hope is surely that when we are given medicine it prolongs and improves our lives not shortens it..
And you have proof that the “medicine” shortens life do you?
No and nor did I say that. Not sure where you inferred that from.
But I'm open minded to think if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck... There's a good chance its a duck.
And more implication…
Good lord. What is the implication? "Read your posts | |||
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"Wonder how many how had "Heart Attacks" were morbidly obese.... Why? Because the morbidly obese are more likely to have heart attacks, well known fact
Of course I understand that. The question however is whether those morbidly obese folks would have had the heart attack when they had it... Were it not for taking a vaccine. I mean we are all going to die eventually. The hope is surely that when we are given medicine it prolongs and improves our lives not shortens it..
And you have proof that the “medicine” shortens life do you?
No and nor did I say that. Not sure where you inferred that from.
But I'm open minded to think if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck... There's a good chance its a duck.
And more implication…
Good lord. What is the implication?
Read your posts "I'd rather you did. But that's up to you. I wrote them. If folks want to be so closed minded to deny the possibility that the vaccines may contribute to cardio problems for some people, despite the coincidental evidence, and feel it doesn't merit further investigation then we are just ignoring the obvious for no real reason. And it might just help people to arrive at Informed consent. | |||
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"Google vacancies damage payment on the gov Web site. I think lives a worth £120,000." I ass7me you mean vaccine? And you know that scheme has been in place for many years? | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months?" Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/ | |||
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"I know of 3 people young and healthy they were had their jabs just dropped gone I myself had 2 but no more if you look at the death rate it is, well up on the young " Source? Seriously, don't tell people to look something up that's probably not true or, if you dig deeper, there are other reasons... I'll give you an example of another reason. According to the antivax / covid deniers, all the young people are killing themselves because of the lockdowns. So, make your minds up. I know of not a single person directly or indirectly that's had anything more than a fever which is entirely expected as a possible response to a vaccine! | |||
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"Most definitely I had a load of heart attacks last year starting in January febafter the first jab then June June after the second jab three stents fitted then had my booster in December and had a massive attack in January another three stents the. 3-4 weeks ago had my fourth and now getting murmurs again I don’t believe in coincidences I’m shit scared I won’t get over another one That sounds awful and I'm glad you are still here to tell the story. But the amount of stents you've had make it pretty obvious that you have significant coronary atherosclerosis and that is caused over many years" Hmm yes! That sounds more like bypass territory than stents! Think you need to change your dr if that's the case. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/" Okay well firstly you do know excess deaths in a heatwave are very common (your link is dated 22nd August) Secondly I'm not sure an increase in excess deaths in anyway collaborates the claim that the vaccine is causing heart attacks? | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/" You do realise that it is fact that covid infections, even mild ones, can increase a person's risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis... which basically means, you are at an increase risk of having a heart attack. so, guess what....More people will die from heart attacks given the fact that most people have been exposed to covid. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/ You do realise that it is fact that covid infections, even mild ones, can increase a person's risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis... which basically means, you are at an increase risk of having a heart attack. so, guess what....More people will die from heart attacks given the fact that most people have been exposed to covid. " Goes back to if more people have had covid (natural immunity) what's the need for the jabs... If the jabs worked not as many people would have covid do you see how it works? Either way Pfizer are testing the jabs on myocarditis and pericarditis.... But can I offer you something to think about... Every other vaccines/medication has a adverse reaction threshold 1-2 in a million before it gets removed (global standards) and the makers are liable.... Not so with the covid jabs? Makes ya think | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/ You do realise that it is fact that covid infections, even mild ones, can increase a person's risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis... which basically means, you are at an increase risk of having a heart attack. so, guess what....More people will die from heart attacks given the fact that most people have been exposed to covid. " It's complex isn't it? Especially given the bulk of covid infections in the last year are vaccinated...work to be done. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/ You do realise that it is fact that covid infections, even mild ones, can increase a person's risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis... which basically means, you are at an increase risk of having a heart attack. so, guess what....More people will die from heart attacks given the fact that most people have been exposed to covid. It's complex isn't it? Especially given the bulk of covid infections in the last year are vaccinated...work to be done. " That's the covid vaccine that was designed to recognised the original virus which no longer exists. That's the covid vaccine that reduced symptoms and therefore reduced the numbers requiring hospital admission. Oh, and given the VAST majority have been vaccinated, it's hardly surprising that most infections are in the vaccinated given the points above. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/ You do realise that it is fact that covid infections, even mild ones, can increase a person's risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis... which basically means, you are at an increase risk of having a heart attack. so, guess what....More people will die from heart attacks given the fact that most people have been exposed to covid. Goes back to if more people have had covid (natural immunity) what's the need for the jabs... If the jabs worked not as many people would have covid do you see how it works? Either way Pfizer are testing the jabs on myocarditis and pericarditis.... But can I offer you something to think about... Every other vaccines/medication has a adverse reaction threshold 1-2 in a million before it gets removed (global standards) and the makers are liable.... Not so with the covid jabs? Makes ya think " Every other vaccine has been developed over years. No pharma is going to respond to a pandemic and leave themselves liable if things go wrong! | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/ You do realise that it is fact that covid infections, even mild ones, can increase a person's risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis... which basically means, you are at an increase risk of having a heart attack. so, guess what....More people will die from heart attacks given the fact that most people have been exposed to covid. Goes back to if more people have had covid (natural immunity) what's the need for the jabs... If the jabs worked not as many people would have covid do you see how it works? Either way Pfizer are testing the jabs on myocarditis and pericarditis.... But can I offer you something to think about... Every other vaccines/medication has a adverse reaction threshold 1-2 in a million before it gets removed (global standards) and the makers are liable.... Not so with the covid jabs? Makes ya think " They are testing jabs on myocarditis and pericarditis? Two conditions that are easily treated and rarely fatal! That makes sense? | |||
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"I (male) had booster on December 16th 2021, then heart attack January 14th 2022. Yet well enough to visit Gran Canaria three times since??" . Pure class !!!!!!! | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this " No, had my 4th the other week in one arm and my flu jab in the other and no side effects. Oh my ankle hurt yesterday for no reason, maybe that was it!?  | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. But there has You have a link showing that the cause of death of myocardial infarction has increased in the last 18 months? Not just myocardial infarction https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/more-deaths-than-expected/ You do realise that it is fact that covid infections, even mild ones, can increase a person's risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis... which basically means, you are at an increase risk of having a heart attack. so, guess what....More people will die from heart attacks given the fact that most people have been exposed to covid. It's complex isn't it? Especially given the bulk of covid infections in the last year are vaccinated...work to be done. That's the covid vaccine that was designed to recognised the original virus which no longer exists. That's the covid vaccine that reduced symptoms and therefore reduced the numbers requiring hospital admission. Oh, and given the VAST majority have been vaccinated, it's hardly surprising that most infections are in the vaccinated given the points above. So it's agreed then.? There is an increase in deaths? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/01/crisis-excess-deaths-soar-levels-higher-covid-pandemic/" yes; up around 16% all over Europe. | |||
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"As they are doing the older generation and clinically at risk, odds are some will have heart attacks, strokes or die, and be nothing to do with vaccine. A heart attack occurs when a coronary artery clogs with plaque and prevents blood supplying the muscle" There's some truth in that. And it would be an exceptionally easy thing to prove or disprove any statistical link with or without a vaccine, with or without covid. Which begs the question. Why has it not? Of a group of 100k over 50s. How many have a cardio event in the next 3 months. Of a group of over 50s, who have had a jab / booster, how many have a cardio event within 90 days of a vaccine. Wouldn't that answer the question? | |||
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"As they are doing the older generation and clinically at risk, odds are some will have heart attacks, strokes or die, and be nothing to do with vaccine. A heart attack occurs when a coronary artery clogs with plaque and prevents blood supplying the muscle There's some truth in that. And it would be an exceptionally easy thing to prove or disprove any statistical link with or without a vaccine, with or without covid. Which begs the question. Why has it not? Of a group of 100k over 50s. How many have a cardio event in the next 3 months. Of a group of over 50s, who have had a jab / booster, how many have a cardio event within 90 days of a vaccine. Wouldn't that answer the question? " Likely yes, or thereabouts. I'd probably have three arms. Historic data from 2018 (guaranteed no Covid or Covid vaccines); following the bivalent vaccine; following known Covid infection. | |||
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"I've discovered a few more A friend had a heart attack after watching a rugby match DONT WATCH RUGBY Even worse, my neighbour had a heart attack a few hours after finishing work ! DONT GO TO WORK " Ah... But had he had the devil's jab? | |||
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"The department of defense are who people should be suing for the injuries, the likes of Pfizer ect are just the subcontractors. " Department of defense whats that got to do with it. You maybe confused as 1st time ever heard of it. | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. " Yeah that's great. They still all had a heart attack | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. " And some folks will never admit there could possibly be a link with jabs and heart problems. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. " According to who? The MSM ?! | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. According to who? The MSM ?!" Pretty much everywhere that isn't full of tinfoilers. | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. And some folks will never admit there could possibly be a link with jabs and heart problems." Of course there is a possibility that jabs can cause heart attacks but statistically there is no proof that they do. Of course individuals can have reactions to any medicine or vaccine. The problem that if this is problem that the numbers appear to be tiny compared to the heart damage caused by covid itself. There was a massive increase in heart deaths when covid in 2020 and 2021 thankfully this year so far they seem to have dropped a bit. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks" Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway." “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. | |||
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"As they are doing the older generation and clinically at risk, odds are some will have heart attacks, strokes or die, and be nothing to do with vaccine. A heart attack occurs when a coronary artery clogs with plaque and prevents blood supplying the muscle" Yes but doesn't explain the majority of deaths in 29-49age bracket | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. And some folks will never admit there could possibly be a link with jabs and heart problems." Exactly- if a specialist asks, what you eat drink, fam history, lifestyle etc etc a thousand different questions and variables. Then by default having a vax thats been rushed and not tested enough has to be another viable part of considerstion. Not bc of conspiracy but just bc its responsible to consider. Science IS questioning. | |||
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"Heart problems is a known side effect of the jab." Heart problems are a very rare side affect of the covid vaccine same as catching covid. I take 2 medications daily and both list heart problems as rare side affects. | |||
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"Just to clarify. I'm not a doctor nor did I know the people's medical history. I've heard of 4 different people my whole life who's had heart attacks. I've heard of 6 people in the past week and a half then 2 people having heart palpitations. Every one of those people recently (within a week or so) all had their jags. I just found it a bit of a coincidence " HEARD OF !!! game over lol | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. " I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. | |||
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"Yes. My aunty. Shes in her 60s, a little bit overweight, but in good health. Looks well, works ft as a carer. Young looking, bubbly etc. She was getting bad anxiety- chest discomfort, palpatetions. Went to get checked. Had ecg passed- had chest xrsy as a precaution. Chest xray showed “something”. But her Lungs were in fine order. Ended up with another egc. It showed something- they told her she had a heart attack. Then said it wasnt a heart attack. Then sent her for an echo- which could be life saving decision. Turns out she had a MAJOR heart attack, This was very confusing to the specialists bc she had none of the symptoms- (swolen ankles- crushing feelings) The specialist who checked her thought they recieved the wrong file by mistake bc she had no signs, is fit n well etc. So they tested further- turns out now she has - arythmia cardio myopothy and heart failure. Her number was lower than 36. (For people who understand all this stuff) So they asked her lots of questions amd tested more- and diagnosed a term that i now forget. . . But it meant she was in a rare situation where there was no cause or clue how it happened. Bc there is no family history, dont drink smoke or have anything else that usually cause or indicate cause. A mystery- (sorry for the essay) i want to be full in my answer. So she asked the dr. Could this be the vax? She was on her 3rd or 4th shot. Without batting an eyid he said “its not unreasonable think this. And you wouldnt be the first” she only asked bc i persisted with her- As I was just a conspiracy theorist then you see. But i watch a lot of stuff beyond the mainstream and have clued myself up. I myself had the first jab at the beginning. And now deeply regret it. As ive started getting palpatations and chest pains and breathlessnes this last two weeks. I hope its psychological bc of all the focus on heart with my aunty. Im booked in for an ecg next week. But hert was ok on stethoscope and blood pressure ok. But if my aunty is anything to go by. I wont feel reassured untill i get the echo. Please ppl, look after yourselves and dont be afraid to question anything. " “its not unreasonable think this. And you wouldnt be the first” Well, given the amount of misinformation, yes, it's not unreasonable to think this... So, was the doctor actually meaning this or that he knew / thought that the vaccine was causing heart attacks.. Of course, the doctors know that medication and vaccines have side effects. Also, doctors can also be victims or misinformation. Fortunately most aren't. | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. And some folks will never admit there could possibly be a link with jabs and heart problems." Of course there is a possible link between the vaccine and heart problems. In fact, it's fact. But, the virus is many times more likely to cause heart related issues than the vaccine. Some people will never admit that. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. " I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. " That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read." Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it?" It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. And some folks will never admit there could possibly be a link with jabs and heart problems. Of course there is a possible link between the vaccine and heart problems. In fact, it's fact. But, the virus is many times more likely to cause heart related issues than the vaccine. Some people will never admit that." Did you not just post this above... "My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated." | |||
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"Interesting OP. but not true you wait it will all come out, please refuse boosters it is so dangerous, 0.1 percent death rate and less dangerous than common illnesses now, wake up! Wake up. A frequent suggestion from those who slept through every science lesson at school. Are you really suggesting 13 million people have died due to taking Covid vaccines? Winston That would be maths lesson not science wouldn't it.. " I think the lesson didn't matter. Just the attempted insult. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! " So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. Yeah that's great. They still all had a heart attack " You would need to complete a full history on each patient seen. If each one had no other issues were fit and healthy, no hereditary etc etc maybe, but without an indepth study, it's just chat. Best to try to stick to the age old answers, the ones people hate, including me. Stop smoking, loose weight, decent diet, exercise, all those boring things. | |||
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"Interesting OP. but not true you wait it will all come out, please refuse boosters it is so dangerous, 0.1 percent death rate and less dangerous than common illnesses now, wake up! Wake up. A frequent suggestion from those who slept through every science lesson at school. Are you really suggesting 13 million people have died due to taking Covid vaccines? Winston That would be maths lesson not science wouldn't it.. I think the lesson didn't matter. Just the attempted insult. " It's an observation and a question, seperate sentences and punctuation. I'll have a quick looksee if you've picked up on any of the ops insults and commented. I'm sure your an equal opportunity observer.
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"Interesting OP. but not true you wait it will all come out, please refuse boosters it is so dangerous, 0.1 percent death rate and less dangerous than common illnesses now, wake up! Wake up. A frequent suggestion from those who slept through every science lesson at school. Are you really suggesting 13 million people have died due to taking Covid vaccines? Winston That would be maths lesson not science wouldn't it.. I think the lesson didn't matter. Just the attempted insult. It's an observation and a question, seperate sentences and punctuation. I'll have a quick looksee if you've picked up on any of the ops insults and commented. I'm sure your an equal opportunity observer.
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this " The problem with this info is lack of detail.. Has the patient had one before, where they at risk of one etc. Those 6 may have always been going to have a heart attack the booster was just a coincidence. I'm not a Dr or a particular Pro vaccination type but unless they had the heart attack 5 seconds after the booster then we need more info to link them | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks" I don’t like the idea of tampering with DNA using MRNA to trigger spike protein; new technology which I don’t trust. Initially they said the spike protein would only be present at the vaccine site but now we know that is not true and it can show up in the major organs. With a 99.5% survival rate then I will take my chances; | |||
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"Interesting OP. but not true you wait it will all come out, please refuse boosters it is so dangerous, 0.1 percent death rate and less dangerous than common illnesses now, wake up! Wake up. A frequent suggestion from those who slept through every science lesson at school. Are you really suggesting 13 million people have died due to taking Covid vaccines? Winston That would be maths lesson not science wouldn't it.. I think the lesson didn't matter. Just the attempted insult. It's an observation and a question, seperate sentences and punctuation. I'll have a quick looksee if you've picked up on any of the ops insults and commented. I'm sure your an equal opportunity observer.
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Yes I can see how that isn't intended as an insult. Come on Winston. You're better than that. "Calling people sheep is "never" intended as an insult is it.
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Are these people that you know in real-life not just read about online ? Don't forget people have been having heart attacks long before covid, it could just be a coincidence Heart attacks My mates mum My mates aunt and uncle (not the same mate) 3 neighbours The palpitations were A school mate I bumped into A guy I chat to on here " I think it's a good discussion to have op. Given the nhs website mentions blood clotting and... "Get urgent medical advice if you have any of these symptoms within a few days of being vaccinated: chest pain shortness of breath a fast-beating, fluttering or pounding heart (palpitations)" We are all built differently and it will affect us all in different ways. As with most of these threads. I suspect they could be answered by providing an accurate report from the data which is captured. Along with comparison to how catching covid has some symptoms that may effect the heart for some people. | |||
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"Some folks will have been involved in a car crash post jab. Some had a stroke. Some bought a lawnmower from B&Q. Some been sick after a night out. Some started divorce proceedings. Some may meet a couple from FAB and find it difficult to perform. Some may find they no longer enjoy KFC gravy. You would have to look at any history, Co morbidity, age, etc, etc. Unless of course you are looking to blame the jab or covid for just about all ills. Some folks will die a few days after a jab especially those over 95 years of age. And some folks will never admit there could possibly be a link with jabs and heart problems. Of course there is a possible link between the vaccine and heart problems. In fact, it's fact. But, the virus is many times more likely to cause heart related issues than the vaccine. Some people will never admit that. Did you not just post this above... "My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated." " The vaccine and the claims that heart attacks have rocketed are unrelated. The increase in heart attacks will primarily be due to covid damage to heart and the consequences of lockdown. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah?" Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence..."It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack? You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing? | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing? "The answer is in my reply if you care to read it As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"... How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing?
The answer is in my reply if you care to read it
As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"...
How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack.
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I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing?
The answer is in my reply if you care to read it
As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"...
How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack.
Because you replied directly to someone saying that their grandfather had suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If it was a generalisation that old people have heart attacks you could have posted it without needing to reply to anyone couldn’t you? "It's called context and the reply was to that post to point out that the vaccine can't be blamed on every heart related death. Statistically, the death was most likely not vaccine related. You can't argue with that. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing?
The answer is in my reply if you care to read it
As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"...
How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack.
Because you replied directly to someone saying that their grandfather had suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If it was a generalisation that old people have heart attacks you could have posted it without needing to reply to anyone couldn’t you?
It's called context and the reply was to that post to point out that the vaccine can't be blamed on every heart related death. Statistically, the death was most likely not vaccine related. You can't argue with that."He wasn’t blaming every heart related death on the jab though was he? He was simply stating that his perfectly healthy grandfather suffered a heart attack within two days of receiving his jab. He also didn’t say that he died but suffers daily angina attacks. Now who’s the one who can’t read? | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this " There was an increase in admissions to A&E with chest pain during the initial stages of Covid but these were generally anxiety related, basically panic attacks,these attacks present very similar to a heart incident. It's very understandable this happened as the anxiety in all of us in the early days was high. It was a scarey time, seems a lifetime ago. | |||
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"https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/contact-the-press-office/facts-and-figures It’s not surprising you know people that have had heart attacks. There are over 450 heart related deaths every day in the UK. With Scotland being higher than the average" It's the deep fried Mars bars | |||
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"https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/contact-the-press-office/facts-and-figures It’s not surprising you know people that have had heart attacks. There are over 450 heart related deaths every day in the UK. With Scotland being higher than the average It's the deep fried Mars bars " Need a big needle to inject those | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing?
The answer is in my reply if you care to read it
As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"...
How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack.
Because you replied directly to someone saying that their grandfather had suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If it was a generalisation that old people have heart attacks you could have posted it without needing to reply to anyone couldn’t you?
It's called context and the reply was to that post to point out that the vaccine can't be blamed on every heart related death. Statistically, the death was most likely not vaccine related. You can't argue with that.
He wasn’t blaming every heart related death on the jab though was he? He was simply stating that his perfectly healthy grandfather suffered a heart attack within two days of receiving his jab.
He also didn’t say that he died but suffers daily angina attacks. Now who’s the one who can’t read? "Why are you taking everything so literally? I didn't say he was! But, by the sounds of it, the he implied that the vaccine was the cause. I will hold my hand up when I am wrong. Yes, he didn't die. Given the conversation had moved on so much, I am sure you can appreciate a little mistake like that.... | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing?
The answer is in my reply if you care to read it
As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"...
How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack.
Because you replied directly to someone saying that their grandfather had suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If it was a generalisation that old people have heart attacks you could have posted it without needing to reply to anyone couldn’t you?
It's called context and the reply was to that post to point out that the vaccine can't be blamed on every heart related death. Statistically, the death was most likely not vaccine related. You can't argue with that.
He wasn’t blaming every heart related death on the jab though was he? He was simply stating that his perfectly healthy grandfather suffered a heart attack within two days of receiving his jab.
He also didn’t say that he died but suffers daily angina attacks. Now who’s the one who can’t read?
Why are you taking everything so literally? I didn't say he was! But, by the sounds of it, the he implied that the vaccine was the cause.
I will hold my hand up when I am wrong. Yes, he didn't die. Given the conversation had moved on so much, I am sure you can appreciate a little mistake like that...."Probably would have overlooked it if you hadn’t already suggested I learn to read haha. | |||
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"i guess you get your news from the mainstream media... its an epidemic of the jabbed.. plenty of evidence out there..just do a little digging .." Where do you suggest? Obvious it should be reputable and or peer reviewed. No not some grifter on Twitter or telegram or a guy in his pants on YouTube. | |||
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"i guess you get your news from the mainstream media... its an epidemic of the jabbed.. plenty of evidence out there..just do a little digging .." I've done the digging. I've looked at the validity of the sources I've had six jabs and I'm not worried, because I find such sources wholly without credibility | |||
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"had booster , 3 days later got covid , never had it before , now 3 wks later still have palpitations and just getting over covid !!!" I would say that's a coincidence as there is no live virus in the vaccines. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks I don’t like the idea of tampering with DNA using MRNA to trigger spike protein; new technology which I don’t trust. Initially they said the spike protein would only be present at the vaccine site but now we know that is not true and it can show up in the major organs. With a 99.5% survival rate then I will take my chances; Who is they and can you provide a source?" The spike protein has been linked to adverse effects, such as: blood clots, brain fog, organizing pneumonia, and myocarditis. A study for Pfizer’s jab found that vaccine particles move from the injection site to the blood, after which circulating spike proteins are free to travel throughout the body, including to the ovaries, liver, neurological tissues and other organs. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks I don’t like the idea of tampering with DNA using MRNA to trigger spike protein; new technology which I don’t trust. Initially they said the spike protein would only be present at the vaccine site but now we know that is not true and it can show up in the major organs. With a 99.5% survival rate then I will take my chances; Who is they and can you provide a source?The spike protein has been linked to adverse effects, such as: blood clots, brain fog, organizing pneumonia, and myocarditis. A study for Pfizer’s jab found that vaccine particles move from the injection site to the blood, after which circulating spike proteins are free to travel throughout the body, including to the ovaries, liver, neurological tissues and other organs. " That's not a source, that's an assertion I've seen the relevant study (I think it was Moderna, actually). my question is, if such infinitesimally tiny quantities of spike protein are scary when they're delivered in isolation, why do those who fear vaccine spike protein not also worry about the virus - being an organism which produces far greater numbers of spike proteins as well as other things? Particularly when people who worry about the vaccine seem also to believe that Covid is a bioweapon unleashed by China? I can't really rationalise that. Is there a way to square that circle? | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing?
The answer is in my reply if you care to read it
As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"...
How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack.
Because you replied directly to someone saying that their grandfather had suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If it was a generalisation that old people have heart attacks you could have posted it without needing to reply to anyone couldn’t you?
It's called context and the reply was to that post to point out that the vaccine can't be blamed on every heart related death. Statistically, the death was most likely not vaccine related. You can't argue with that.
He wasn’t blaming every heart related death on the jab though was he? He was simply stating that his perfectly healthy grandfather suffered a heart attack within two days of receiving his jab.
He also didn’t say that he died but suffers daily angina attacks. Now who’s the one who can’t read?
Why are you taking everything so literally? I didn't say he was! But, by the sounds of it, the he implied that the vaccine was the cause.
I will hold my hand up when I am wrong. Yes, he didn't die. Given the conversation had moved on so much, I am sure you can appreciate a little mistake like that....
Probably would have overlooked it if you hadn’t already suggested I learn to read haha. "Well, on that note, if that's the direction you have taken this conversation now, you clearly have nothing valid to say. Enjoy your day. | |||
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"had booster , 3 days later got covid , never had it before , now 3 wks later still have palpitations and just getting over covid !!!" Sorry but can you clarify the point you are trying to make? The vaccine caused you to get covid? The vaccine caused the palpitations? Hope you are fully over it soon. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks Sorry to hear this but almost every grandfather had the vaccine in short period of time. Heart attacks are common so there will be thousands of men who have had heart attacks shortly after the vaccine. Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway. “The majority would have one anyway” sounds familiar that. Almost like when certain people downplayed the deaths caused by covid but weirdly, that caused uproar. I am not downplaying and you are totally confused. My point was that vaccine and the heart attacks are totally unrelated. You are comparing with someone dying a few days/weeks earlier from covid than they would otherwise would have. I’m not confused. Just pointing out a clear double standard. You’re as bad as the “conspiracy theorists” who say it’s just a cold and the people would have died anyway and end up causing loads of upset. Yet you’re here telling a stranger on the internet that their grandfather probably would have had a heart attack anyway regardless of the jab. How do you know? You don’t. That's not what I said. You need to learn to read. Ooh an insult, very mature. “The majority would have had one anyway” that’s what you wrote though, in response to someone saying a family member suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If you’re not suggesting that that’s what happened then why did you put it? It's not an insult. You clear aren't capable. Mr A is going to have heart attack in 10 days Mr B is going to have a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C isn't going to have a heart attack. MR A, Mr B and Mr C have the vaccine. Mr A has a heart attack in 10 days. Mr B has a heart attack in 8 days. Mr C has a heart attack in 3 days. Mr C has a vaccine related heart attack. MR A and Mr B are in the majority and we're going to have heart attacks anyway. I don't know if the grandfather was Mr A, Mr B or Mr C but the fact remains that the majority of heart attack victims around the times that vaccines were used had recently been vaccinated...but they were going to have a heart attack anyway so it wasn't vaccine related! So you don’t know what caused the grandfathers heart attack. Glad you can admit it. So if you weren’t trying to suggest he’d have had a heart attack anyway and you weren’t downplaying vaccine side effects, why did you reply with that comment to open-minded01? Just generally trying to add context around heart attacks yeah? Admit it? You accuse me of something because you don't understand and then when you do understand you say that you are glad I admit it.
I am not making any claims other than pointing out that the stats would indicate that it's more likely than not that he would have had a heart attack regardless of the vaccine. That does NOT mean that he would and I haven't made such a statement.
What I was pointing out that it's easy to blame the vaccine due to the timing. It's called a coincidence...
It’s also easy to blame the vaccine when it has indeed, been the vaccine. Also, would you care to answer my question as to why you posted your initial comment in response to someone’s story about their grandfathers heart attack?
You seem to be backtracking a bit now to say you definitely aren’t suggesting that the aforementioned grandfather would have had a heart attack anyway, which is fine that you’ve cleared that up. But, why say it in the first place if that’s not what you were doing?
The answer is in my reply if you care to read it
As for backtracking...I have not said that he would have had a heart attack. In fact, if you bother to read, my comment was a generalisation. In fact, to quote myself, "Some might be vaccine related but the majority would have had one anyway"...
How did you manage to interpret that as a specific reference to the grandfather never mind that he WOULD have had a heart attack.
Because you replied directly to someone saying that their grandfather had suffered a heart attack post vaccination. If it was a generalisation that old people have heart attacks you could have posted it without needing to reply to anyone couldn’t you?
It's called context and the reply was to that post to point out that the vaccine can't be blamed on every heart related death. Statistically, the death was most likely not vaccine related. You can't argue with that.
He wasn’t blaming every heart related death on the jab though was he? He was simply stating that his perfectly healthy grandfather suffered a heart attack within two days of receiving his jab.
He also didn’t say that he died but suffers daily angina attacks. Now who’s the one who can’t read?
Why are you taking everything so literally? I didn't say he was! But, by the sounds of it, the he implied that the vaccine was the cause.
I will hold my hand up when I am wrong. Yes, he didn't die. Given the conversation had moved on so much, I am sure you can appreciate a little mistake like that....
Probably would have overlooked it if you hadn’t already suggested I learn to read haha.
Well, on that note, if that's the direction you have taken this conversation now, you clearly have nothing valid to say. Enjoy your day."Nothing valid in your opinion. But you would say that after being called out for a completely unnecessary comment where you tried to suggest someone’s poor family member would have suffered a heart attack anyway despite the jab. You already admitted you don’t know what caused his heart attack, you might as well admit the real reason behind your comment. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks I don’t like the idea of tampering with DNA using MRNA to trigger spike protein; new technology which I don’t trust. Initially they said the spike protein would only be present at the vaccine site but now we know that is not true and it can show up in the major organs. With a 99.5% survival rate then I will take my chances; Who is they and can you provide a source?The spike protein has been linked to adverse effects, such as: blood clots, brain fog, organizing pneumonia, and myocarditis. A study for Pfizer’s jab found that vaccine particles move from the injection site to the blood, after which circulating spike proteins are free to travel throughout the body, including to the ovaries, liver, neurological tissues and other organs. That's not a source, that's an assertion I've seen the relevant study (I think it was Moderna, actually). my question is, if such infinitesimally tiny quantities of spike protein are scary when they're delivered in isolation, why do those who fear vaccine spike protein not also worry about the virus - being an organism which produces far greater numbers of spike proteins as well as other things? Particularly when people who worry about the vaccine seem also to believe that Covid is a bioweapon unleashed by China? I can't really rationalise that. Is there a way to square that circle?" personal choice after weighing up the risk reward for taking jab or not; it was a no brainer | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. It literally says on the NHS webpage the jabs can cause myocarditis. Look up "excess deaths UK". There are now more excess deaths than during the height of the pandemic. And there have been a large uptick in people with heart/cardiovascular problems." The primary reason for increase in mortality and morbidity after the height of the pandemic is that Covid meant that many other conditions and diseases were not diagnosed and treated early enough, as Covid was prioritised and people avoided hospitals. This is ongoing with the challenges of GP access etc too. We’re seeing now the beginning of a huge cancer wave for example due to people not being diagnosed during the pandemic. Nothing to do with the vaccine. | |||
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"That's 6 people I've heard taken a heart attack a few weeks after their jag. Another few people saying they are getting palpitations. Has anyone else heard or experienced this Yes. My grandfater had a heart attack 2 days after his 2nd jab. Perfectly healthy before it. Never had any health problems. Now has daily angina attacks I don’t like the idea of tampering with DNA using MRNA to trigger spike protein; new technology which I don’t trust. Initially they said the spike protein would only be present at the vaccine site but now we know that is not true and it can show up in the major organs. With a 99.5% survival rate then I will take my chances; Who is they and can you provide a source?The spike protein has been linked to adverse effects, such as: blood clots, brain fog, organizing pneumonia, and myocarditis. A study for Pfizer’s jab found that vaccine particles move from the injection site to the blood, after which circulating spike proteins are free to travel throughout the body, including to the ovaries, liver, neurological tissues and other organs. That's not a source, that's an assertion I've seen the relevant study (I think it was Moderna, actually). my question is, if such infinitesimally tiny quantities of spike protein are scary when they're delivered in isolation, why do those who fear vaccine spike protein not also worry about the virus - being an organism which produces far greater numbers of spike proteins as well as other things? Particularly when people who worry about the vaccine seem also to believe that Covid is a bioweapon unleashed by China? I can't really rationalise that. Is there a way to square that circle?personal choice after weighing up the risk reward for taking jab or not; it was a no brainer " Appreciate it, but that wasn't the question I asked. | |||
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"Correlation doesn't mean causation. The heart attack could have been on the cards anyway. Heart attacks are fairly common in terms of numbers. While I don't know the details. Lots of people have had jabs and been fine. You've gotta make choices you feel are right for you. Could have been. Do you think it could also be linked with a vaccine for some people. Could it? Of course it could but statistically the increase in heart attacks after a covid vaccine is pretty much zero. Exactly, the fact that there hasn't been a huge increase in heart attacks suggests they aren't causes by vaccinations. It literally says on the NHS webpage the jabs can cause myocarditis. Look up "excess deaths UK". There are now more excess deaths than during the height of the pandemic. And there have been a large uptick in people with heart/cardiovascular problems. The primary reason for increase in mortality and morbidity after the height of the pandemic is that Covid meant that many other conditions and diseases were not diagnosed and treated early enough, as Covid was prioritised and people avoided hospitals. This is ongoing with the challenges of GP access etc too. We’re seeing now the beginning of a huge cancer wave for example due to people not being diagnosed during the pandemic. Nothing to do with the vaccine. " I pretty much agree with you totally but the health service in the uk has massive real time cuts for 10+ years plus having an aging population and a sudden decrease In skilled health workers in the last 4 years its a perfect storm. Not one thing but lots of straws that break the camels back. | |||
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