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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. " Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. " As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck. | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck." I just feel like no one cares anymore tbh | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck. I just feel like no one cares anymore tbh" Oh they do, they really do! | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. " You met vaccinated people last year, what's changed, because your probably already infected | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck. I just feel like no one cares anymore tbh Oh they do, they really do!" Ugh. That's SO 2021  | |||
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"I never bothered getting any vaccine. It was by choice because of lack of time and government NHS site wanting you to travel 100s of miles to get a vaccine otherwise I would have probably bothered getting one. Everyone else's came up local except mine, maybe something behind it. But I tell nearly everyone I've had all doses otherwise they seem to be like there life is over to talk or be near you. Weird people in this country can't accept people's choices or opinions on anything. Probably this thread will be hijacked very soon by them" What are you on about  there were vaccine centres literally round every corner. Plus some ride sharing companies were offering free rides there and back to get them. | |||
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"I find the "awake" thing a bit condescending. No, I'm not asleep or a sheep because I've made a different decision to you. I'm glad you think you're a member of a special club, etc, you have fun with that, but the idea that we're supposed to agree is a bit laughable." My sentiments too. If you have a preference then fine but don't make out that you are so superior as a result of the choices you made. Kind of a douche thing to do really. | |||
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"I never bothered getting any vaccine. It was by choice because of lack of time and government NHS site wanting you to travel 100s of miles to get a vaccine otherwise I would have probably bothered getting one. Everyone else's came up local except mine, maybe something behind it. But I tell nearly everyone I've had all doses otherwise they seem to be like there life is over to talk or be near you. Weird people in this country can't accept people's choices or opinions on anything. Probably this thread will be hijacked very soon by them What are you on about there were vaccine centres literally round every corner. Plus some ride sharing companies were offering free rides there and back to get them. "I'm guessing this depended on where you live, I had the same issues as the poster above you and couldn't get a vaccine local at first. I eventually had all three but only because I got a lift to my first one. No one here was offering help to get to places. Px | |||
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"I find the "awake" thing a bit condescending. No, I'm not asleep or a sheep because I've made a different decision to you. I'm glad you think you're a member of a special club, etc, you have fun with that, but the idea that we're supposed to agree is a bit. laughable." This 100% | |||
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"Absolutely, we care. I want to socalize with the vaccine free and will create a space where we are not vilfied on this website." Falklands maybe?  | |||
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"Absolutely, we care. I want to socalize with the vaccine free and will create a space where we are not vilfied on this website." I support your right to meet whoever you choose. Have fun with that. | |||
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"Absolutely, we care. I want to socalize with the vaccine free and will create a space where we are not vilfied on this website." Is this to do with finding people of a similar intellectual mind set or do you think having sex with someone vaccinated is a risk to your health. That's a genuine question. | |||
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"Absolutely, we care. I want to socalize with the vaccine free and will create a space where we are not vilfied on this website." How will you know though? Do they give you a card when you go and not have your vaccines? A | |||
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"Absolutely, we care. I want to socalize with the vaccine free and will create a space where we are not vilfied on this website.Is this to do with finding people of a similar intellectual mind set or do you think having sex with someone vaccinated is a risk to your health. That's a genuine question. " He probably doesn't know... | |||
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"I find the "awake" thing a bit condescending. No, I'm not asleep or a sheep because I've made a different decision to you. I'm glad you think you're a member of a special club, etc, you have fun with that, but the idea that we're supposed to agree is a bit laughable. My sentiments too. If you have a preference then fine but don't make out that you are so superior as a result of the choices you made. Kind of a douche thing to do really." Are you serious? The bile and vitriol aimed a people vaccine free has been utterly frightening. They have even been accused of murder. | |||
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"Not vaccinated and never will be. Stupid is as stupid does. For those that decided to take without taking a simple look at the IMMUNE SYSTEM Job.. You should just talk less. " Why am I not surprised | |||
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"Not vaccinated and never will be. Stupid is as stupid does. For those that decided to take without taking a simple look at the IMMUNE SYSTEM Job.. You should just talk less. " Just the covid vaccine or any vaccines? Because, well.....vaccines have prevented millions of deaths over the years. A | |||
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"Not vaccinated and never will be. Stupid is as stupid does. For those that decided to take without taking a simple look at the IMMUNE SYSTEM Job.. You should just talk less. " Why should the vaccinated talk less? I thought free speech was important? | |||
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"Have you looked into the Pfizer papers being released in the US due to a court order? *Cough* a Court order *Cough* The fact it had to go to court to be forcibly released in atrocious. " Yes, I have, thank you. I've done my own research and I'm happy with my choices about my health. | |||
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"Well. Today I have learned that no healthy person has ever died from a respirotary disease. Who knew? "Respiratory*. Damn, I've just cheapened my own argument | |||
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"I'm woke and vaccinated. " Why not explain exactly what you consider 'Woke' in this matter | |||
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"I'm woke and vaccinated. Why not explain exactly what you consider 'Woke' in this matter" Exactly a sheep that’s woke hahahahah these. | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x" But surely the flat feathers have cause to be worried as a bomb dropped on a flat earth may risk blowing a hole clean through the disk then we would be like a giant flat doughnut  | |||
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"Not vaccinated and never will be. Stupid is as stupid does. For those that decided to take without taking a simple look at the IMMUNE SYSTEM Job.. You should just talk less. Why am I not surprised "What would surprise a women on a sex site or swinging site I wonder  hahahaha | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x But surely the flat feathers have cause to be worried as a bomb dropped on a flat earth may risk blowing a hole clean through the disk then we would be like a giant flat doughnut "Flat feathers. Love it. Sums them up nicely | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x But surely the flat feathers have cause to be worried as a bomb dropped on a flat earth may risk blowing a hole clean through the disk then we would be like a giant flat doughnut
Flat feathers. Love it. Sums them up nicely "god damn auto incorrect and my lack of proof reading | |||
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"I'm unvaccinated. I'm not bothered if people are or aren't. I've had covid. I survived (obvs) and hopefully have built up a little bit of immunity. " You have it’s how the immune system works. Hence people who caught it could travel at a point. | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x But surely the flat feathers have cause to be worried as a bomb dropped on a flat earth may risk blowing a hole clean through the disk then we would be like a giant flat doughnut
Flat feathers. Love it. Sums them up nicely
god damn auto incorrect and my lack of proof reading "But so funny | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x But surely the flat feathers have cause to be worried as a bomb dropped on a flat earth may risk blowing a hole clean through the disk then we would be like a giant flat doughnut
Flat feathers. Love it. Sums them up nicely
god damn auto incorrect and my lack of proof reading
But so funny "This is so true and they must be a little light headed to think the earth is flat in the first place | |||
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"i'm sure i heard on the news thousands upon thousands of nhs staff are un vaccinated for there own reasons. i'm a great believer in allowing my bodys immune system to do its job , think of it as a muscle , make it work and it will get stronger. its that old saying , died with it ,loads, died from it , very few. its really down to the individual i think." It’s just this simple! People who work in the industry, dr and nurses never took it . Hahahaha why? | |||
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"i'm sure i heard on the news thousands upon thousands of nhs staff are un vaccinated for there own reasons. i'm a great believer in allowing my bodys immune system to do its job , think of it as a muscle , make it work and it will get stronger. its that old saying , died with it ,loads, died from it , very few. its really down to the individual i think. It’s just this simple! People who work in the industry, dr and nurses never took it . Hahahaha why?" Because they were personally told by Bill Gates and the Chinese government not to, duh. | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck. I just feel like no one cares anymore tbh Oh they do, they really do!" Nobody cares if someone chooses to not get vaccinated, but propelling moronic conspiracy theories about vaccines is something that people might be vilified for. Cal | |||
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"i'm sure i heard on the news thousands upon thousands of nhs staff are un vaccinated for there own reasons. i'm a great believer in allowing my bodys immune system to do its job , think of it as a muscle , make it work and it will get stronger. its that old saying , died with it ,loads, died from it , very few. its really down to the individual i think. It’s just this simple! People who work in the industry, dr and nurses never took it . Hahahaha why?" Around 3% of NHS workers are unvaccinated... so 97% did take it! Hahahaha why? Cal | |||
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"i'm sure i heard on the news thousands upon thousands of nhs staff are un vaccinated for there own reasons. i'm a great believer in allowing my bodys immune system to do its job , think of it as a muscle , make it work and it will get stronger. its that old saying , died with it ,loads, died from it , very few. its really down to the individual i think. It’s just this simple! People who work in the industry, dr and nurses never took it . Hahahaha why? Around 3% of NHS workers are unvaccinated... so 97% did take it! Hahahaha why? Cal" Well some of them probably had it for fear of losing their jobs if they didn't! | |||
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"I'm still waiting for those looking to meet unvaccinated folk to explain how they'll know? It's simple to prove you've had jabs, whether 1, 2, 3 or more, as they give you a card. But what's to stop someone claiming not to have had any just to suit your meet criteria?
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"I never bothered getting any vaccine. It was by choice because of lack of time and government NHS site wanting you to travel 100s of miles to get a vaccine otherwise I would have probably bothered getting one. Everyone else's came up local except mine, maybe something behind it. But I tell nearly everyone I've had all doses otherwise they seem to be like there life is over to talk or be near you. Weird people in this country can't accept people's choices or opinions on anything. Probably this thread will be hijacked very soon by them" The only funny thing about that is that you've implied there was a conspiracy about your vaccine centre location. Just you. Why would you be targeted? | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck. I just feel like no one cares anymore tbh Oh they do, they really do! Nobody cares if someone chooses to not get vaccinated, but propelling moronic conspiracy theories about vaccines is something that people might be vilified for. Cal" Nobody cares?!!? You've been in this room many times. Don't tell me you've missed the threat of violence? The fact that the vaccine free are accused of murder? Told that they should be banned from NHS access? Locked up in their homes? Have their basic rights taken away? Been lumped in with conspiracy theorists, flat earthers, ridiculed, villified and abused? | |||
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"Absolutely, we care. I want to socalize with the vaccine free and will create a space where we are not vilfied on this website." Each to their own. Genuinely. But it's a bit off to state you're being vilified,while you vilify those who have taken the vaccine. You do you, and leave the vaccinated to do the same. Good luck either way | |||
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"I find the "awake" thing a bit condescending. No, I'm not asleep or a sheep because I've made a different decision to you. I'm glad you think you're a member of a special club, etc, you have fun with that, but the idea that we're supposed to agree is a bit laughable. My sentiments too. If you have a preference then fine but don't make out that you are so superior as a result of the choices you made. Kind of a douche thing to do really. Are you serious? The bile and vitriol aimed a people vaccine free has been utterly frightening. They have even been accused of murder." I think both sides of the vaccine choice have had a % who have been way over the top with stating their views. I genuinely can't see either set being worse than the other. Apparently the vaccinated are guilty of weakening the human race and ensuring infertility in the next generation. Who knew!?  | |||
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"Not vaccinated and never will be. Stupid is as stupid does. For those that decided to take without taking a simple look at the IMMUNE SYSTEM Job.. You should just talk less. " Stupid is as stupid does...... You said it! | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x But surely the flat feathers have cause to be worried as a bomb dropped on a flat earth may risk blowing a hole clean through the disk then we would be like a giant flat doughnut
Flat feathers. Love it. Sums them up nicely
god damn auto incorrect and my lack of proof reading "I think i prefer flat feathers. And how am I supposed to sleep now I know there's going to be a hole in the donut?!!!!!! | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. Annoyingly for the conspiracy theorists the threat of nuclear war has taken the wind out of their pure blood sails. Flat earthers are even more worried as the flat world will be a nightmare if bomb drops. Wrap yourself in foil and good luck x But surely the flat feathers have cause to be worried as a bomb dropped on a flat earth may risk blowing a hole clean through the disk then we would be like a giant flat doughnut
Flat feathers. Love it. Sums them up nicely
god damn auto incorrect and my lack of proof reading "I think i prefer flat feathers. And how am I supposed to sleep now I know there's going to be a hole in the donut?!!!!!! | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck. I just feel like no one cares anymore tbh Oh they do, they really do! Nobody cares if someone chooses to not get vaccinated, but propelling moronic conspiracy theories about vaccines is something that people might be vilified for. Cal Nobody cares?!!? You've been in this room many times. Don't tell me you've missed the threat of violence? The fact that the vaccine free are accused of murder? Told that they should be banned from NHS access? Locked up in their homes? Have their basic rights taken away? Been lumped in with conspiracy theorists, flat earthers, ridiculed, villified and abused?" And you don't think similar outlandish statements have been made about the vaccinated? | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. As you can tell from the responses OP, it's unsafe for the vaccine free to admit it, they are villified. Good luck. I just feel like no one cares anymore tbh Oh they do, they really do! Nobody cares if someone chooses to not get vaccinated, but propelling moronic conspiracy theories about vaccines is something that people might be vilified for. Cal Nobody cares?!!? You've been in this room many times. Don't tell me you've missed the threat of violence? The fact that the vaccine free are accused of murder? Told that they should be banned from NHS access? Locked up in their homes? Have their basic rights taken away? Been lumped in with conspiracy theorists, flat earthers, ridiculed, villified and abused?" Locked up in their homes with their basic rights taken away? What, like all the clinically vulnerable people for whom it's now unsafe to do a whole bunch of normal stuff because of the pathological selfishness of others? I was originally just going to post in this thread about how amusing I find the thought of two antivaxxers meeting up and just yelling "CLOTSHOT!", "SHEEPLE!" and "IT'S JUST A COLD!" at one another while they're having deeply selfish and unfulfilling sex, but fucking hell. | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... " What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making ""Favour meeting those who are awake". OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try. | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try. "The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. " Never a good idea to have a swingers meet with someone who is asleep. | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think "I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay  | |||
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"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay "Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
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"Popcorn anyone?? " Got any twiglets - controversial I know  | |||
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"Is this still a thing? I thought people were over it now. " I was thinking the same thing as i was reading the post. | |||
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"Popcorn anyone?? Got any twiglets - controversial I know "I only want to mix with people who've never eaten twiglets. I don't care if you've pooped them out last Tuesday. | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. " As opposed to meeting people who are asleep? I’d fucking hope so. It’s not easy to get consent from people who are not conscious | |||
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"I find the "awake" thing a bit condescending. No, I'm not asleep or a sheep because I've made a different decision to you. I'm glad you think you're a member of a special club, etc, you have fun with that, but the idea that we're supposed to agree is a bit laughable."
It's painfully obvious that conspiracy theorists are just out to make themselves feel special for knowing some truth that eludes everyone else, facts and logic be damned.
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"Who is unvaccinated so i can start a war thread" I'm sure there's something I've not been vaccinated against. | |||
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"Love twiglets oh and mini cheeders " What are these “mini cheeders” you speak of? Heard of mini chedders but you must be one of those weird deviants who likes odd stuff! As for Twiglets! Food of the devil!!
(Bad) joking aside, can’t believe we are still seeing threads like this. Deliberately provocative. Surely by now people don’t care about personal choice? As said above, live and let live. | |||
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"Love twiglets oh and mini cheeders What are these “mini cheeders” you speak of? Heard of mini chedders but you must be one of those weird deviants who likes odd stuff! As for Twiglets! Food of the devil!!
(Bad) joking aside, can’t believe we are still seeing threads like this. Deliberately provocative. Surely by now people don’t care about personal choice? As said above, live and let live. "Cheeders are the cornish version of this savory snack, I also have personal fixation with lunchables And yes fed up of this, who cares make a choice, do it dont care if you are or not vaccinated Enough is enough I can't go much longer | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted "Ok I'll bite lol The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out. The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers. Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise? | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?"Very well put, just a troll wanting to cause arguments, which there seems to be a rise of lately in forums, and as you sad comparing Jewish communities is actually offensive. | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making "I find it funny how all the unvaxinated people who refuse the vaccine because it's "an experiment drug" are now actually part of the research group....... Winston | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?"I suggest you read up on your history and look at how the Jews were started to be segregated. Jews were labeled disease carriers and a public health risk to justify the creation of ghettos. Containing typhus epidemics provided the Nazis with the rationale for quarantining, ghettoisation and "disinfection". I suggest you read an article on the NCBI called Murderous medicine: Nazi doctors, human experimentation, and Typhus, reviewed by Evelyne Schuster - quite insightful. This was pretty much the start of what was done to the non vaccinated - segregation based on medical status, while being villified by the government and a majority of the people as disease carriers, spreaders, granny killers etc. And yes, we were stripped off basic human rights. We were not "permitted" to work certain jobs without having a vaccine, meaning our (Irish) constitutional right to earn a living to put food on the table and a roof over our family's head was taken. And not being able to do the things you could previously do most certainly was discriminatory, it was coercion and manipulation into taking an experimental drug which goes against the Nuremberg Code. How and where and why the heck do you think this code came about?!
The difference in the 21st century for the powers that be, were a little more clever of going about this with the use of so many different media platforms. The choice was NOT made by us non vaccinated, it was made for us.
I also suggest you read Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. There are lots of interesting correlations when you compare Nazi Germany to Covid times.
Though I'm not suggesting that the end result is genocide, not in physical terms anyway - but definitely in terms of basic human rights, freedoms and democracy.
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?
I suggest you read up on your history and look at how the Jews were started to be segregated. Jews were labeled disease carriers and a public health risk to justify the creation of ghettos. Containing typhus epidemics provided the Nazis with the rationale for quarantining, ghettoisation and "disinfection". I suggest you read an article on the NCBI called Murderous medicine: Nazi doctors, human experimentation, and Typhus, reviewed by Evelyne Schuster - quite insightful.
This was pretty much the start of what was done to the non vaccinated - segregation based on medical status, while being villified by the government and a majority of the people as disease carriers, spreaders, granny killers etc.
And yes, we were stripped off basic human rights. We were not "permitted" to work certain jobs without having a vaccine, meaning our (Irish) constitutional right to earn a living to put food on the table and a roof over our family's head was taken.
And not being able to do the things you could previously do most certainly was discriminatory, it was coercion and manipulation into taking an experimental drug which goes against the Nuremberg Code. How and where and why the heck do you think this code came about?!
The difference in the 21st century for the powers that be, were a little more clever of going about this with the use of so many different media platforms. The choice was NOT made by us non vaccinated, it was made for us.
I also suggest you read Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. There are lots of interesting correlations when you compare Nazi Germany to Covid times.
Though I'm not suggesting that the end result is genocide, not in physical terms anyway - but definitely in terms of basic human rights, freedoms and democracy.
And we haven't arrived where they want us by a long shot and your type is playing along nicely "You’re comparing having to show a covid passport to the Jews in Nazi Germany? Wow. | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?
I suggest you read up on your history and look at how the Jews were started to be segregated. Jews were labeled disease carriers and a public health risk to justify the creation of ghettos. Containing typhus epidemics provided the Nazis with the rationale for quarantining, ghettoisation and "disinfection". I suggest you read an article on the NCBI called Murderous medicine: Nazi doctors, human experimentation, and Typhus, reviewed by Evelyne Schuster - quite insightful.
This was pretty much the start of what was done to the non vaccinated - segregation based on medical status, while being villified by the government and a majority of the people as disease carriers, spreaders, granny killers etc.
And yes, we were stripped off basic human rights. We were not "permitted" to work certain jobs without having a vaccine, meaning our (Irish) constitutional right to earn a living to put food on the table and a roof over our family's head was taken.
And not being able to do the things you could previously do most certainly was discriminatory, it was coercion and manipulation into taking an experimental drug which goes against the Nuremberg Code. How and where and why the heck do you think this code came about?!
The difference in the 21st century for the powers that be, were a little more clever of going about this with the use of so many different media platforms. The choice was NOT made by us non vaccinated, it was made for us.
I also suggest you read Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. There are lots of interesting correlations when you compare Nazi Germany to Covid times.
Though I'm not suggesting that the end result is genocide, not in physical terms anyway - but definitely in terms of basic human rights, freedoms and democracy.
And we haven't arrived where they want us by a long shot and your type is playing along nicely
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"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?
I suggest you read up on your history and look at how the Jews were started to be segregated. Jews were labeled disease carriers and a public health risk to justify the creation of ghettos. Containing typhus epidemics provided the Nazis with the rationale for quarantining, ghettoisation and "disinfection". I suggest you read an article on the NCBI called Murderous medicine: Nazi doctors, human experimentation, and Typhus, reviewed by Evelyne Schuster - quite insightful.
This was pretty much the start of what was done to the non vaccinated - segregation based on medical status, while being villified by the government and a majority of the people as disease carriers, spreaders, granny killers etc.
And yes, we were stripped off basic human rights. We were not "permitted" to work certain jobs without having a vaccine, meaning our (Irish) constitutional right to earn a living to put food on the table and a roof over our family's head was taken.
And not being able to do the things you could previously do most certainly was discriminatory, it was coercion and manipulation into taking an experimental drug which goes against the Nuremberg Code. How and where and why the heck do you think this code came about?!
The difference in the 21st century for the powers that be, were a little more clever of going about this with the use of so many different media platforms. The choice was NOT made by us non vaccinated, it was made for us.
I also suggest you read Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. There are lots of interesting correlations when you compare Nazi Germany to Covid times.
Though I'm not suggesting that the end result is genocide, not in physical terms anyway - but definitely in terms of basic human rights, freedoms and democracy.
And we haven't arrived where they want us by a long shot and your type is playing along nicely
You’re comparing having to show a covid passport to the Jews in Nazi Germany? Wow.
Just imagine - the cheek of me!"You’re either trolling, anti-Semitic or just very insensitive to the atrocities of World War II. I’m sure people in 1939 would feel for you having to take a lateral flow to go on an all inclusive holiday to Magaluf whilst they were being murdered. | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?
I suggest you read up on your history and look at how the Jews were started to be segregated. Jews were labeled disease carriers and a public health risk to justify the creation of ghettos. Containing typhus epidemics provided the Nazis with the rationale for quarantining, ghettoisation and "disinfection". I suggest you read an article on the NCBI called Murderous medicine: Nazi doctors, human experimentation, and Typhus, reviewed by Evelyne Schuster - quite insightful.
This was pretty much the start of what was done to the non vaccinated - segregation based on medical status, while being villified by the government and a majority of the people as disease carriers, spreaders, granny killers etc.
And yes, we were stripped off basic human rights. We were not "permitted" to work certain jobs without having a vaccine, meaning our (Irish) constitutional right to earn a living to put food on the table and a roof over our family's head was taken.
And not being able to do the things you could previously do most certainly was discriminatory, it was coercion and manipulation into taking an experimental drug which goes against the Nuremberg Code. How and where and why the heck do you think this code came about?!
The difference in the 21st century for the powers that be, were a little more clever of going about this with the use of so many different media platforms. The choice was NOT made by us non vaccinated, it was made for us.
I also suggest you read Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. There are lots of interesting correlations when you compare Nazi Germany to Covid times.
Though I'm not suggesting that the end result is genocide, not in physical terms anyway - but definitely in terms of basic human rights, freedoms and democracy.
And we haven't arrived where they want us by a long shot and your type is playing along nicely
You’re comparing having to show a covid passport to the Jews in Nazi Germany? Wow.
Just imagine - the cheek of me!"Cheek isn't the word I'd use. Comparing the restrictions of Covid to the Holocaust? Fuck me that's a new low........
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. " Maybe when you've had it you will change your mind. Ridiculous | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?
I suggest you read up on your history and look at how the Jews were started to be segregated. Jews were labeled disease carriers and a public health risk to justify the creation of ghettos. Containing typhus epidemics provided the Nazis with the rationale for quarantining, ghettoisation and "disinfection". I suggest you read an article on the NCBI called Murderous medicine: Nazi doctors, human experimentation, and Typhus, reviewed by Evelyne Schuster - quite insightful.
This was pretty much the start of what was done to the non vaccinated - segregation based on medical status, while being villified by the government and a majority of the people as disease carriers, spreaders, granny killers etc.
And yes, we were stripped off basic human rights. We were not "permitted" to work certain jobs without having a vaccine, meaning our (Irish) constitutional right to earn a living to put food on the table and a roof over our family's head was taken.
And not being able to do the things you could previously do most certainly was discriminatory, it was coercion and manipulation into taking an experimental drug which goes against the Nuremberg Code. How and where and why the heck do you think this code came about?!
The difference in the 21st century for the powers that be, were a little more clever of going about this with the use of so many different media platforms. The choice was NOT made by us non vaccinated, it was made for us.
I also suggest you read Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. There are lots of interesting correlations when you compare Nazi Germany to Covid times.
Though I'm not suggesting that the end result is genocide, not in physical terms anyway - but definitely in terms of basic human rights, freedoms and democracy.
And we haven't arrived where they want us by a long shot and your type is playing along nicely
You’re comparing having to show a covid passport to the Jews in Nazi Germany? Wow.
Just imagine - the cheek of me!
Cheek isn't the word I'd use.
Comparing the restrictions of Covid to the Holocaust? Fuck me that's a new low........
Winston"Sadly not a new low, but one the antivax brigade sunk to quite early on as I have heard the same tripe whined about from quite early on in the pandemic. I am just fascinated that they are still on about it to be honest, the same as the comments about how almost all of the nhs staff (all 3% or so) didn't have the vaccine because they knew it was just a big experiment | |||
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"Isn't it ironic how anti-vaxxers likened vaccine passports to "your papers, please", but this. This is apparently okay... What do you mean with "apparently this" is ok? The OP has put a polite note into the forum stating he'd like to get to know "like-minded", which in his case are non Covid vaccinated people. There are plenty of people on here who clearly STILL have a preference to only meeting Covid vaccinated. Where's the problem in politely stating preferences without being obnoxious, condescending or villifying - which the OP clearly wasn't on this thread if you care to look at his posts?! What's the difference in stating you want to meet men only, women only, trans only, BBW only, BBC only etc etc - it's a preference. We all have a right to stating what we are looking for on this site. And sure, those who don't want to meet non vaccinated can block and move on, those who don't want to meet those who state this particular preference can also block and move on. As for the likening to Nazi Germany - WE, the non vaccinated, were not only asked to provide proof of vaccination to do some of the most basic, everyday things in life (like you vaccinated) WITH the f**king difference that WE were turned away AND discriminated against for making a different medical choice, practicing bodily autonomy NOT to take an experimental drug which was pushed, coerced, scaremongered, bl@ckmailed and rewarded with "treats", hence being treated like Jews in Nazi Germany - ousted out of everyday life and society - while YOU, the vaccinated were "permitted" to carry on socialising therefore STILL contracting AND spreading the virus, with pretty much the same chances as spreading the virus as the non-vaccinated would have as it turned out in the end. Now could you please explain what's ironic with the comparison you're making
"Favour meeting those who are awake".
OP knew what he was doing with his post, but nice try.
The amount of times the term "awake" gets thrown around in comparison to "tinfoil hat" or "conspiracy theorist" might put the odds in "our" favour here...that is mild compared to having ACTUALLY had to go through a long phase of "your papers, please", don't ya think
I'm sorry but please would you actually please mind not addressing me as I'm now choosing only to engage with those who are vaccinated. Those are my personal preferences and I'm stating it politely so that makes it okay
Out of arguments, hey? Couldn't answer my legitimate question either but duly noted
Ok I'll bite lol
The op indicated that non-vaccinated people were 'awake'. This he had an indirect dig at those who chose to have their vaccination, insinuating that they were blindly, sleepily, following what the government put out.
The comparison to nazi Germany is just ridiculous and insulting to this who survived and who died under that regime and for you to even try to defend it is futile. It will never ever be comparable. You have not been denied basic human rights, you've been denied access to things such as theatres, sports grounds, air flights, night clubs etc. You made a choice to do that. You. No one else. It was your right to make that choice knowing what exclusions that may out upon you. The Jewish community were persecuted for just being Jewish. They weren't just denied access to frivolous social activities. They were stripped bare, starved, and put to death in gas chambers.
Do you actually believe any of the tosh you posted bout the comparison or are you just looking to get a rise?
I suggest you read up on your history and look at how the Jews were started to be segregated. Jews were labeled disease carriers and a public health risk to justify the creation of ghettos. Containing typhus epidemics provided the Nazis with the rationale for quarantining, ghettoisation and "disinfection". I suggest you read an article on the NCBI called Murderous medicine: Nazi doctors, human experimentation, and Typhus, reviewed by Evelyne Schuster - quite insightful.
This was pretty much the start of what was done to the non vaccinated - segregation based on medical status, while being villified by the government and a majority of the people as disease carriers, spreaders, granny killers etc.
And yes, we were stripped off basic human rights. We were not "permitted" to work certain jobs without having a vaccine, meaning our (Irish) constitutional right to earn a living to put food on the table and a roof over our family's head was taken.
And not being able to do the things you could previously do most certainly was discriminatory, it was coercion and manipulation into taking an experimental drug which goes against the Nuremberg Code. How and where and why the heck do you think this code came about?!
The difference in the 21st century for the powers that be, were a little more clever of going about this with the use of so many different media platforms. The choice was NOT made by us non vaccinated, it was made for us.
I also suggest you read Stanton's 10 stages of genocide. There are lots of interesting correlations when you compare Nazi Germany to Covid times.
Though I'm not suggesting that the end result is genocide, not in physical terms anyway - but definitely in terms of basic human rights, freedoms and democracy.
And we haven't arrived where they want us by a long shot and your type is playing along nicely
You’re comparing having to show a covid passport to the Jews in Nazi Germany? Wow.
Just imagine - the cheek of me!
Cheek isn't the word I'd use.
Comparing the restrictions of Covid to the Holocaust? Fuck me that's a new low........
Winston
Sadly not a new low, but one the antivax brigade sunk to quite early on as I have heard the same tripe whined about from quite early on in the pandemic. I am just fascinated that they are still on about it to be honest, the same as the comments about how almost all of the nhs staff (all 3% or so) didn't have the vaccine because they knew it was just a big experiment "My observation a few posts up on the "experimental drug" was wasted on this crowd.
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. " No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. " Can I ask does your preference for awake and non jabbed extend to other vaccines. My husband has worked abroad for years and has a old, tattered vaccine certificate card, full of stamps from receiving lots of vaccines over the years. It is a matter of "papers please" at most airports where the vaccine is required. If we were non covid vaxed would you meet, even though one of us has had lots of different flavoured vaccine. Do you think my husband is asleep or a sheep for taking vaccine to be able to work overseas. We've never actually discussed this with folks we meet but maybe Paul should bring his vaccine card with him to meets. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated?" The right to spread BS  | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? The right to spread BS "Nah, that's still going strong | |||
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"Bit of a weird request? I'm not over the top pro vacine had 2 declined the booster tested positive yesterday! I had a chap this morning saying did I have vaccines and when I said I had 2 he said that was pointless then if it didn't stop u catching it? Do people really think like this? Obviously they do x "Half the population have an IQ 100; worth remembering | |||
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"This whole thread justifies the whole virus post thread being removed from the discussion forum. It has just turned into lets bash the vaccinated/un-vaccinated. If you are vaccinated or not and your preference being to meet people of the same status, put it on your profile and let the choice be made by those looking at it. Let's all just get on with it now, there is no going back. There's also questions on long Covid and travel - the virus continues to play a role in our lives." I totally agree, but every thread about the virus turns into a series of insults, threats and vitriol. All of us are intelligent enough to read and gain information from much more learned sources than here. So let's do that, mark your profile with your Vaccination status and lets get on with it. Fabguys does not have a virus thread in the forums and everyone seems to have managed without it. | |||
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"This whole thread justifies the whole virus post thread being removed from the discussion forum. It has just turned into lets bash the vaccinated/un-vaccinated. If you are vaccinated or not and your preference being to meet people of the same status, put it on your profile and let the choice be made by those looking at it. Let's all just get on with it now, there is no going back. There's also questions on long Covid and travel - the virus continues to play a role in our lives. I totally agree, but every thread about the virus turns into a series of insults, threats and vitriol. All of us are intelligent enough to read and gain information from much more learned sources than here. So let's do that, mark your profile with your Vaccination status and lets get on with it. Fabguys does not have a virus thread in the forums and everyone seems to have managed without it. " Or just don't look if you don't like it? And why would I put my vaccination status on my profile? That would probably just encourage people who are different to me to lie about it to get what they want. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated?" Fortunately not that many in the end (so far) which I attribute to the vaccines not being anywhere near as effective as the fanfare they were given. If you look back at threads from early last year when they were being introduced there were a numbers of prominent posters on here suggesting that non vaccinated could be charged with murder for spreading the virus. If you think that’s bad there were also calls for their children to be taken into care. But yeah, nothing to see here… | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? Fortunately not that many in the end (so far) which I attribute to the vaccines not being anywhere near as effective as the fanfare they were given. If you look back at threads from early last year when they were being introduced there were a numbers of prominent posters on here suggesting that non vaccinated could be charged with murder for spreading the virus. If you think that’s bad there were also calls for their children to be taken into care. But yeah, nothing to see here… " So none. Thanks for confirming. | |||
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"I never bothered getting any vaccine. It was by choice because of lack of time and government NHS site wanting you to travel 100s of miles to get a vaccine otherwise I would have probably bothered getting one. Everyone else's came up local except mine, maybe something behind it. But I tell nearly everyone I've had all doses otherwise they seem to be like there life is over to talk or be near you. Weird people in this country can't accept people's choices or opinions on anything. Probably this thread will be hijacked very soon by them What are you on about there were vaccine centres literally round every corner. Plus some ride sharing companies were offering free rides there and back to get them.
Exactly!!! And what’s with telling people you are vaccinated when you’re not… despicable behaviour. Choose not have them, but don’t lie!"Wanting all of the benefit and none of the risk is what it's about. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. " But no matter how low of a level it is looked at the fact is that those who were persecuted were done so based on things they had no choice over. Those who are unvaccinated have a choice. They've used their free will and analytical skills to look at the evidence and make an informed choice. Someone earlier said their human right to earn a living was infringed but that isn't correct. They couldn't perhaps work in a certain sector but not all employers insisted on vaccinations. There is no right to do the exact job you want. If there was I would be Jason momoa's personal physiotherapist. It's an insensitive comparison at any level. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated?" I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature? | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature?" That’s the point though. Temporary measures were put in place for everyone and relaxed as vaccinations were rolled out. Greece have now removed all covid travel restrictions and other countries will follow. I agree vaccination is and should be a choice but comparing choosing not to have a vaccine to the holocaust is disgusting. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature? That’s the point though. Temporary measures were put in place for everyone and relaxed as vaccinations were rolled out. Greece have now removed all covid travel restrictions and other countries will follow. I agree vaccination is and should be a choice but comparing choosing not to have a vaccine to the holocaust is disgusting." Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK. | |||
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However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature? That’s the point though. Temporary measures were put in place for everyone and relaxed as vaccinations were rolled out. Greece have now removed all covid travel restrictions and other countries will follow. I agree vaccination is and should be a choice but comparing choosing not to have a vaccine to the holocaust is disgusting. Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK." It is quite delicate. And yet it's telling that public health measures, even those of limited scope and duration, are painted as Nazi. While the choice of the clinically vulnerable to have to lock themselves away is the price of freedom - along with the crises in many countries in education, health, supply chain etc. Heaven forbid people experience minor inconvenience (UK) to try to reduce the risk of others developing disability or dying. How very fascist. What an affront to the brave noble warriors and their widdle hurt fee fees. | |||
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"Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK." It was me that gave them a 3 possible reasons they were comparing the 2. One of them was anti-semitism. I never said they were anti-Semitic but I think likening the suffering of the Jews during World War II to not being able to go on a holiday is either because you don’t know anything about World War II or because you think the Jews suffering wasn’t that bad. People keep saying “people on here were saying….” People on fab aren’t running the country so their opinions on what measures should be put in place are irrelevant. I usually stay clear of the covid forums because the views on here are always ridiculous and this thread just confirms that opinion. This is all I will say on this matter. | |||
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This was/is common knowledge of what was/is in the jab everyone knew/knows this."No, no, no. No it isn't. Not even close. Utterly ridiculous. I keep forgetting the virus forum is the place gumption left behind. Winston | |||
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"Is it any ones business if you are or aren't i personally don't care one way or the other, and considering this is a swinging site where people of all gender and sexual orientation are supposed to be welcome,we are people being so judgmental,i wont shout about weather i am or not and respect people that are and aren't its all a personal choice. And if its so important dm me and i will answer Everyone has preferences and is entitled to seek what they want in accordance with that preference." This is true but you should aldo respect the individuals choice and not discriminate because you don't agree | |||
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"Is it any ones business if you are or aren't i personally don't care one way or the other, and considering this is a swinging site where people of all gender and sexual orientation are supposed to be welcome,we are people being so judgmental,i wont shout about weather i am or not and respect people that are and aren't its all a personal choice. And if its so important dm me and i will answer Everyone has preferences and is entitled to seek what they want in accordance with that preference. This is true but you should aldo respect the individuals choice and not discriminate because you don't agree" Who's discriminating?
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"This whole thread justifies the whole virus post thread being removed from the discussion forum. It has just turned into lets bash the vaccinated/un-vaccinated. If you are vaccinated or not and your preference being to meet people of the same status, put it on your profile and let the choice be made by those looking at it. Let's all just get on with it now, there is no going back. Maibe not close it, but yes, it more or less have turned out that way, as I can see why most wouldnt want to tell their vaccination status here." I'd be happy to let you know my vaccine status or any other health related issues you may feel would hinder a swingers meet. Would I put my health details up on a swingers site for everyone to see, no. But would happily discuss on a first social any health issues that you have concerns, yours or ours. How long would the list be, how would you confirm the validity of our statements. It starts to enter the realms of lunacy. If you don't want to meet us because we are jabbed that's fair enough, don't care, plenty of other people to meet through this site, other sites, parties, clubs, socials, holidays etc., etc Get the drift, we honestly don't care as you don't enter our radar unless we meet. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature? That’s the point though. Temporary measures were put in place for everyone and relaxed as vaccinations were rolled out. Greece have now removed all covid travel restrictions and other countries will follow. I agree vaccination is and should be a choice but comparing choosing not to have a vaccine to the holocaust is disgusting. Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK. It is quite delicate. And yet it's telling that public health measures, even those of limited scope and duration, are painted as Nazi. While the choice of the clinically vulnerable to have to lock themselves away is the price of freedom - along with the crises in many countries in education, health, supply chain etc. Heaven forbid people experience minor inconvenience (UK) to try to reduce the risk of others developing disability or dying. How very fascist. What an affront to the brave noble warriors and their widdle hurt fee fees." Sorry swing but that really is an over-simplification. It is not just an inconvenience to exclude people from being actively involved in society or being able to work in order to earn an income. I find it pretty distasteful that folks on here advocating refusing NHS treatment, interring people in camps, preventing them earning a living or taking their children away seem to get a pass but the opposite spectrum get jumped on. This is not about wearing a mask it is about restricting movement and access and dictating who you can see and when. Trying to compare that to the holocaust is completely wrong. Comparing it to the early years of Nazi Germany is a fair discussion to surface (and any authoritarian/totalitarian regime). As I said the UK has been liberal but other countries have not and there is historical precedent for using a health crisis as an excuse to remove freedoms and this leads on to other far worse ramifications. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature? That’s the point though. Temporary measures were put in place for everyone and relaxed as vaccinations were rolled out. Greece have now removed all covid travel restrictions and other countries will follow. I agree vaccination is and should be a choice but comparing choosing not to have a vaccine to the holocaust is disgusting. Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK. It is quite delicate. And yet it's telling that public health measures, even those of limited scope and duration, are painted as Nazi. While the choice of the clinically vulnerable to have to lock themselves away is the price of freedom - along with the crises in many countries in education, health, supply chain etc. Heaven forbid people experience minor inconvenience (UK) to try to reduce the risk of others developing disability or dying. How very fascist. What an affront to the brave noble warriors and their widdle hurt fee fees. Sorry swing but that really is an over-simplification. It is not just an inconvenience to exclude people from being actively involved in society or being able to work in order to earn an income. I find it pretty distasteful that folks on here advocating refusing NHS treatment, interring people in camps, preventing them earning a living or taking their children away seem to get a pass but the opposite spectrum get jumped on. This is not about wearing a mask it is about restricting movement and access and dictating who you can see and when. Trying to compare that to the holocaust is completely wrong. Comparing it to the early years of Nazi Germany is a fair discussion to surface (and any authoritarian/totalitarian regime). As I said the UK has been liberal but other countries have not and there is historical precedent for using a health crisis as an excuse to remove freedoms and this leads on to other far worse ramifications. " And nor is it an inconvenience to make the clinically vulnerable choose between significant risk of health complications - because precautions are too hard - and self imposed limitations on their lives, up to imprisonment in their own homes. This is happening now in the UK. And while the precursors to the Final Solution were anti public health and involved the dehumanising of people on the grounds of immutable characteristics, it's the people who are anti public health measures and whose characteristics are not immutable who are claiming the historical parallel. 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"Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK. It was me that gave them a 3 possible reasons they were comparing the 2. One of them was anti-semitism. I never said they were anti-Semitic but I think likening the suffering of the Jews during World War II to not being able to go on a holiday is either because you don’t know anything about World War II or because you think the Jews suffering wasn’t that bad. People keep saying “people on here were saying….” People on fab aren’t running the country so their opinions on what measures should be put in place are irrelevant. I usually stay clear of the covid forums because the views on here are always ridiculous and this thread just confirms that opinion. This is all I will say on this matter." I think the anti-semitism point was uncalled for. Using an extreme example of authoritarianism focused on pre-holocaust activities and restrictions on civil liberties does not make someone anti-semitic. As I have said in several posts now, the Nazis did not go from 0 to 10 and the discussion should focus on the early years not the final solution. I say that as someone whose grandmother was a French Jew who escaped the Nazis. | |||
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"This whole thread justifies the whole virus post thread being removed from the discussion forum. It has just turned into lets bash the vaccinated/un-vaccinated. If you are vaccinated or not and your preference being to meet people of the same status, put it on your profile and let the choice be made by those looking at it. Let's all just get on with it now, there is no going back. Maibe not close it, but yes, it more or less have turned out that way, as I can see why most wouldnt want to tell their vaccination status here. I'd be happy to let you know my vaccine status or any other health related issues you may feel would hinder a swingers meet. Would I put my health details up on a swingers site for everyone to see, no. But would happily discuss on a first social any health issues that you have concerns, yours or ours. How long would the list be, how would you confirm the validity of our statements. It starts to enter the realms of lunacy. If you don't want to meet us because we are jabbed that's fair enough, don't care, plenty of other people to meet through this site, other sites, parties, clubs, socials, holidays etc., etc Get the drift, we honestly don't care as you don't enter our radar unless we meet. "I wasn't mandating people putting their Vaccination status on the site. Simply pointing out an option for people. Perhaps I could have worded it better. A persons Vaccination status does not matter to me. If asked I will gladly divulge it to anyone asking in the initial conversations that go with setting up a meet. What amazes me is how much vitriol these threads are causing and I question the need for having a forum directly related to it. It seems (possibly in this case) that the OP makes a post, sits back with their popcorn then leaves the site with everyone at each others throat. | |||
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"This whole thread justifies the whole virus post thread being removed from the discussion forum. It has just turned into lets bash the vaccinated/un-vaccinated. If you are vaccinated or not and your preference being to meet people of the same status, put it on your profile and let the choice be made by those looking at it. Let's all just get on with it now, there is no going back. Maibe not close it, but yes, it more or less have turned out that way, as I can see why most wouldnt want to tell their vaccination status here. I'd be happy to let you know my vaccine status or any other health related issues you may feel would hinder a swingers meet. Would I put my health details up on a swingers site for everyone to see, no. But would happily discuss on a first social any health issues that you have concerns, yours or ours. How long would the list be, how would you confirm the validity of our statements. It starts to enter the realms of lunacy. If you don't want to meet us because we are jabbed that's fair enough, don't care, plenty of other people to meet through this site, other sites, parties, clubs, socials, holidays etc., etc Get the drift, we honestly don't care as you don't enter our radar unless we meet.
I wasn't mandating people putting their Vaccination status on the site. Simply pointing out an option for people.
Perhaps I could have worded it better.
A persons Vaccination status does not matter to me. If asked I will gladly divulge it to anyone asking in the initial conversations that go with setting up a meet.
What amazes me is how much vitriol these threads are causing and I question the need for having a forum directly related to it.
It seems (possibly in this case) that the OP makes a post, sits back with their popcorn then leaves the site with everyone at each others throat.
"Haha, most probably. Pull the pin, lob in a grenade and see what happens. TBF it does on the odd occasion make the thread bloody hilarious and a great way to vet anyone who sends us a message requesting a meet. Views on most things including politics, religion etc don't really care but when your views become nasty, it's a no thanks from us, can't be arsed with the drama. Have fun. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature? That’s the point though. Temporary measures were put in place for everyone and relaxed as vaccinations were rolled out. Greece have now removed all covid travel restrictions and other countries will follow. I agree vaccination is and should be a choice but comparing choosing not to have a vaccine to the holocaust is disgusting. Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK. It is quite delicate. And yet it's telling that public health measures, even those of limited scope and duration, are painted as Nazi. While the choice of the clinically vulnerable to have to lock themselves away is the price of freedom - along with the crises in many countries in education, health, supply chain etc. Heaven forbid people experience minor inconvenience (UK) to try to reduce the risk of others developing disability or dying. How very fascist. What an affront to the brave noble warriors and their widdle hurt fee fees. Sorry swing but that really is an over-simplification. It is not just an inconvenience to exclude people from being actively involved in society or being able to work in order to earn an income. I find it pretty distasteful that folks on here advocating refusing NHS treatment, interring people in camps, preventing them earning a living or taking their children away seem to get a pass but the opposite spectrum get jumped on. This is not about wearing a mask it is about restricting movement and access and dictating who you can see and when. Trying to compare that to the holocaust is completely wrong. Comparing it to the early years of Nazi Germany is a fair discussion to surface (and any authoritarian/totalitarian regime). As I said the UK has been liberal but other countries have not and there is historical precedent for using a health crisis as an excuse to remove freedoms and this leads on to other far worse ramifications. And nor is it an inconvenience to make the clinically vulnerable choose between significant risk of health complications - because precautions are too hard - and self imposed limitations on their lives, up to imprisonment in their own homes. This is happening now in the UK. And while the precursors to the Final Solution were anti public health and involved the dehumanising of people on the grounds of immutable characteristics, it's the people who are anti public health measures and whose characteristics are not immutable who are claiming the historical parallel. I'm sorry, but I don't fucking buy it. " Yes it is complicated but I do not think completely closing down the discussion is helpful. If anything those glibly stating comparisons with the holocaust need to be better informed. I think anyone comparing the Holocaust to Covid related restrictions is indeed going way too far and shows a lack of actual historical knowledge. However, I still maintain that a discussion around parallels with early Nazi Germany have some validity and should at least be able to be discussed sensibly (to ensure things cannot progress further and we never forget or downplay the actual horror that was the eventual outcome)... “The first wave of legislation, from 1933 to 1934, focused largely on limiting the participation of Jews in German public life. The first major law to curtail the rights of Jewish citizens was the "Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service" of April 7, 1933, according to which Jewish and "politically unreliable" civil servants and employees were to be excluded from state service. The new Civil Service Law was the German authorities' first formulation of the so-called Aryan Paragraph, a kind of regulation used to exclude Jews (and often by extension other "non-Aryans") from organizations, professions, and other aspects of public life. In April 1933, German law restricted the number of Jewish students at German schools and universities. In the same month, further legislation sharply curtailed "Jewish activity" in the medical and legal professions. Subsequent laws and decrees restricted reimbursement of Jewish doctors from public (state) health insurance funds.” | |||
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"This whole thread justifies the whole virus post thread being removed from the discussion forum. It has just turned into lets bash the vaccinated/un-vaccinated. If you are vaccinated or not and your preference being to meet people of the same status, put it on your profile and let the choice be made by those looking at it. Let's all just get on with it now, there is no going back. " This is spot on..there are a lot of people here that need to take a good look at themselves. There needs to be respect. Once respect is achieved we can move on. Let's face it we are all two faced or we would not be here on this site trying to find fun or socialise in this lifestyle. If we are so concerned we would not be here we would be looking after ourselves and protecting the vulnerable in our families...this includes throughout the pandemic and now. | |||
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"When everyone is shouting into the wind, nobody can actually hear what each other is saying! Tribalism, scoring points, trying to “win”, and doing so on social media lacks nuance or context. Of course it is offensive to compare Covid vaccines/restrictions etc to the Holocaust BUT if we took a breath and paused we might hear the point actually being made (albeit poorly most times). The “final solution” was not how it all started. There was a gradual build up of ever increasing persecution of Jews, Gypsies, disabled people and ultimately Slavs. It started much lower level and far less obviously insidious and horrific. It started with vilification, then restrictions on working practices, seizure of property, forced into living in ghettoes, removal of citizen rights and access to medical care. The concentration camps came later. The death camps later still. The Nazis didn’t go straight from 0 to 10 they stepped it up gradually between 1936 and 1944/45. However, whenever anyone tries to make a comparison they get jumped on (it is the same in the politics section) because the horrors of Auschwitz and Belsen and others are indelibly imprinted on our minds (rightfully so). But what I assume many of the people making these points are actually trying to say (hopefully anyway) is that the early/starting points actually do have many similarities. They simply do, like it or not. That DOESN’T mean the end game would ever be so horrific and genocidal, of course not, but everything has a beginning and there are comparisons. If everyone could all be a bit less angry and at least try to better explain AND better listen, we might all learn something. No anger or shouting here but what rights have been permanently stripped from the unvaccinated? I won’t take sides regardless of my personal views because all I can see (for the most part) are people shouting at each other rather than trying to calmly explain, listen and understand. The key word in your question is “permanently” and I assume only applies to the UK? In which case currently to the best of my knowledge none. Temporarily it is a different question, especially when you factor in other countries and travelling to or residing in them. The anti-vaxxers have insulted people calling them sheep or not being awake. The pro-vaxxers insult people accusing them of spreading or even murder in some threads last year and advocating ghettoisation and exclusion from society. With hindsight this all looks rather silly, nasty and spiteful on both sides. More moderate people just look on aghast at how people have been weaponised to argue with each other. Perhaps that is just base human nature? That’s the point though. Temporary measures were put in place for everyone and relaxed as vaccinations were rolled out. Greece have now removed all covid travel restrictions and other countries will follow. I agree vaccination is and should be a choice but comparing choosing not to have a vaccine to the holocaust is disgusting. Further up someone accused another of being Anti-Semitic for raising the point on Nazi ghettoisation and exclusion from society of Jews (note I did not say holocaust). If we refuse to even entertain discussions based on distasteful topics or consider it taboo then we prevent early discussion on topics that do have historical precedent. While the UK has ultimately proven to be liberal and temporary in terms of Covid restrictions, there were those on here advocating extremely draconian (and Nazi reminiscent) measures against those who were unvaccinated. There were individuals on this forum advocating full exclusion from society, refused medical treatment, removal of their children by social services, inability to travel or work. It may have been a minority but those hyper-fascist tendencies were there in plain sight. Personally I find that as distasteful as making poorly explained linkages with the Nazis. The holocaust and, more relevant to this discussion, years leading up to it, should not be a taboo topic regardless of how uncomfortable it makes us. It is important to not ever allow anything like that to happen again and early discussion about any infringement of civil liberties should be encouraged. However. it needs to acknowledge the immense sensitivities surrounding the topic and be handled carefully. So while the UK ultimately applied a rather liberal and certainly temporary set of measures, other countries have been far more extreme. Venezuela and China mark the extreme end if the spectrum, but places like Austria and Australia (sorry _naswingdress) have been far more draconian than the UK. It is quite delicate. And yet it's telling that public health measures, even those of limited scope and duration, are painted as Nazi. While the choice of the clinically vulnerable to have to lock themselves away is the price of freedom - along with the crises in many countries in education, health, supply chain etc. Heaven forbid people experience minor inconvenience (UK) to try to reduce the risk of others developing disability or dying. How very fascist. What an affront to the brave noble warriors and their widdle hurt fee fees. Sorry swing but that really is an over-simplification. It is not just an inconvenience to exclude people from being actively involved in society or being able to work in order to earn an income. I find it pretty distasteful that folks on here advocating refusing NHS treatment, interring people in camps, preventing them earning a living or taking their children away seem to get a pass but the opposite spectrum get jumped on. This is not about wearing a mask it is about restricting movement and access and dictating who you can see and when. Trying to compare that to the holocaust is completely wrong. Comparing it to the early years of Nazi Germany is a fair discussion to surface (and any authoritarian/totalitarian regime). As I said the UK has been liberal but other countries have not and there is historical precedent for using a health crisis as an excuse to remove freedoms and this leads on to other far worse ramifications. And nor is it an inconvenience to make the clinically vulnerable choose between significant risk of health complications - because precautions are too hard - and self imposed limitations on their lives, up to imprisonment in their own homes. This is happening now in the UK. And while the precursors to the Final Solution were anti public health and involved the dehumanising of people on the grounds of immutable characteristics, it's the people who are anti public health measures and whose characteristics are not immutable who are claiming the historical parallel. I'm sorry, but I don't fucking buy it. Yes it is complicated but I do not think completely closing down the discussion is helpful. If anything those glibly stating comparisons with the holocaust need to be better informed. I think anyone comparing the Holocaust to Covid related restrictions is indeed going way too far and shows a lack of actual historical knowledge. However, I still maintain that a discussion around parallels with early Nazi Germany have some validity and should at least be able to be discussed sensibly (to ensure things cannot progress further and we never forget or downplay the actual horror that was the eventual outcome)... “The first wave of legislation, from 1933 to 1934, focused largely on limiting the participation of Jews in German public life. The first major law to curtail the rights of Jewish citizens was the "Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service" of April 7, 1933, according to which Jewish and "politically unreliable" civil servants and employees were to be excluded from state service. The new Civil Service Law was the German authorities' first formulation of the so-called Aryan Paragraph, a kind of regulation used to exclude Jews (and often by extension other "non-Aryans") from organizations, professions, and other aspects of public life. In April 1933, German law restricted the number of Jewish students at German schools and universities. In the same month, further legislation sharply curtailed "Jewish activity" in the medical and legal professions. Subsequent laws and decrees restricted reimbursement of Jewish doctors from public (state) health insurance funds.”" I'm sorry you believe I'm shutting down conversation. I'm not. I'm well aware of the history. I just think that it's been hijacked. If we have to make Third Reich comparisons, I think that the persecuted group is the clinically vulnerable, not the unvaccinated. Sure - their rights haven't legally been taken away. But they are left in a truly no win situation. And are maligned when they try to speak up about it. (Indeed, the greatest atrocities committed under Hitler occurred not by state sanction, but in the absence of state structure that might protect them) | |||
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"Let's be real here. Almost all on here who say they're not vaccinated either spout bs fake news, claim they're not sheep or "awake", or call themselves pure. Oh look at that, OP called himself "awake"." And when the true cost of an experimental "vaccine" is found to do more damage than good (perhaps it will be there is evidence) and the cost of lockdowns is well documented as is the mental health of the nation also the economic crisis it has caused when all them are added together in hindsight.... I'm not an "anti vaxxer" before you spout it | |||
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"Let's be real here. Almost all on here who say they're not vaccinated either spout bs fake news, claim they're not sheep or "awake", or call themselves pure. Oh look at that, OP called himself "awake". And when the true cost of an experimental "vaccine" is found to do more damage than good (perhaps it will be there is evidence) and the cost of lockdowns is well documented as is the mental health of the nation also the economic crisis it has caused when all them are added together in hindsight.... I'm not an "anti vaxxer" before you spout it " What evidence is there for what you say? | |||
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"Who here on fab is unvaccinated? As I greatly favour meeting those who are awake and vaccine-free. P.S Potential couple near London seeking an unvaccinated bisexual / bi-curious woman. " So the vaccine has introduced the concept of being tired to the population? How is it to live without sleep can one of the "supermen" please inform me? Seriously though for all your talk not generalising most anti-vaxxers seem to be big on the whole victory thing as if they will magically reveal the man behind the curtain and we will bow down at their feet to their superiority. No offense but I despise a lot of your leaders and always will. | |||
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"Let's be real here. Almost all on here who say they're not vaccinated either spout bs fake news, claim they're not sheep or "awake", or call themselves pure. Oh look at that, OP called himself "awake". And when the true cost of an experimental "vaccine" is found to do more damage than good (perhaps it will be there is evidence) and the cost of lockdowns is well documented as is the mental health of the nation also the economic crisis it has caused when all them are added together in hindsight.... I'm not an "anti vaxxer" before you spout it " I'm guessing based on the "experimental vaccine" you're in the unvaccinated camp. Which is perfectly fine, each to their own. Just wondering how you feel about being in the research group now? Winston | |||
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"I am triple vaccinated but having seen the side effects of a couple of friends, one who nearly died from a blood clot on the brain, I will not be having any more. I've seen people who are fully jabbed get covid two, even three times while unvaccinated get nothing. As for so many NHS staff who are unvaccinated, does that not tell you something? " The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting covid, just reduces the symptoms when you do. Thé vaccination rate in the NHS is between 93 and 97%. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-tens-of-thousands-of-nhs-england-staff-face-dismissal-over-compulsory-vaccines | |||
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"I am triple vaccinated but having seen the side effects of a couple of friends, one who nearly died from a blood clot on the brain, I will not be having any more. I've seen people who are fully jabbed get covid two, even three times while unvaccinated get nothing. As for so many NHS staff who are unvaccinated, does that not tell you something? " Careful. You’ll get picked on for being a conspiracy theorist for merely noticing things | |||
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"I am triple vaccinated but having seen the side effects of a couple of friends, one who nearly died from a blood clot on the brain, I will not be having any more. I've seen people who are fully jabbed get covid two, even three times while unvaccinated get nothing. As for so many NHS staff who are unvaccinated, does that not tell you something? The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting covid, just reduces the symptoms when you do. Thé vaccination rate in the NHS is between 93 and 97%. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-tens-of-thousands-of-nhs-england-staff-face-dismissal-over-compulsory-vaccines" But in the early days we were told it stopped catching and death (even though in Pfizer’s initial study they said it ONLY reduced symptoms) we call That a therapeutic not a vaccine. Yet when they change definitions and what the “vax” supposedly does it’s ok. Yet those who said it wouldn’t from day one were silenced on social media and vilified in the media | |||
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"I am triple vaccinated but having seen the side effects of a couple of friends, one who nearly died from a blood clot on the brain, I will not be having any more. I've seen people who are fully jabbed get covid two, even three times while unvaccinated get nothing. As for so many NHS staff who are unvaccinated, does that not tell you something? The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting covid, just reduces the symptoms when you do. Thé vaccination rate in the NHS is between 93 and 97%. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-tens-of-thousands-of-nhs-england-staff-face-dismissal-over-compulsory-vaccines ------------ But in the early days we were told it stopped catching and death (even though in Pfizer’s initial study they said it ONLY reduced symptoms) we call That a therapeutic not a vaccine. Yet when they change definitions and what the “vax” supposedly does it’s ok. Yet those who said it wouldn’t from day one were silenced on social media and vilified in the media" I think that you misunderstand what a vaccine can actually do. There seems to be this misconception, especially from those opposing the covid vaccines, that REAL vaccine is some type of virus repelling force field which prevents the virus from touching a person. The truth is that a vaccine is "Training Material" for your own immune system, it teaches your body what the virus looks like and allows it to develop its response without actually making you sick. This is the truth for ALL vaccines. If the immune response produced is good enough, then it will "appear" as though it has prevented you from being infected, but in reality it has just dealt with that infection before it has had an opportunity to cause any noticeable symptoms. To be classed as a "therapeutic", the treatment will need to be administered after a person has become infected as a method of reducing the impact or severity of symptoms. Cal | |||
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