FabSwingers.com forum: More infection risk from the vaccinated

By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

I caught COVID and almost certainly caught it at a NYE party in a swinging club. As I am unvaccinated, I had to show evidence of a negative LFT to gain entry, as did anyone else who is unvaccinated. So there is only a small chance that I caught this from someone who is unvaccinated. However, we know that the vaccinated can still catch COVID and spread it to others. The government rules state that the vaccinated don't need to test before going to a club. I probably caught this from someone who was fully vaccinated. It's mad.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Almost certainly, is all I need to know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You state that you were in the club after providing a negative test aka not vaccinated. So how do you know how many people in the club were vaccinated vs unvaccinated? Maybe everyone in there showed a negative test?

Also, how do you know you caught it in the club? How do you know you didn’t have it before incubating? Or after? Etc.

So many flaws to your logic.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

It's so easy for people to shoe false LFT results- get someone else to di it, keep an old negative one etc. LFTs also not that reliable. Would rather be in the company of responsible vaccinated people personally

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

I had Covid, my LFT was negative and my PCR’s were both inconclusive, but my wife's LFT and PCR were both positive.

Its also possible to fake a positive LFT by just reporting that it was a negative result, as you don’t need to show or take a photo of the actual test.

The reality is I treat everyone as if they can infect me and take appropriate precautions.

If I am happy to do something that may increase the risk of infection then its my choice and I accept the outcome.

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

"Almost certainly, is all I need to know.

I haven't been near another person since! That's how certain I can be.

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

I don't think that many people would be stupid enough to visit a swinging club if they had just had a positive test result.

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

What I'm really saying is that the rules are a mess. It should be proof of negative tests for all, whether you're vaccinated or not.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"What I'm really saying is that the rules are a mess. It should be proof of negative tests for all, whether you're vaccinated or not.

That sounds a lot better than your original post and I agree, an intimate place such as swingers club should be all in for testing.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Folks before jumping on the OP remember that it is now indisputable that vaccinated people can still transmit Covid just as they can still catch it. The proportional risk vs an unvaccinated person is lower but not eradicated.

Statistically there it is not possible for the huge surge in cases currently to have only been driven by unvaccinated people (there aren’t enough of them).

What we have is the law of unintended consequences.

Many (not all) vaccinated people have thrown caution to the wind and dropped/reduced all other risk mitigations.

Combine this with the high likelihood that a vaccinated person who does catch Covid may not even know as so mild and they could be walking around blissfully unaware that they are asymptomatic and spreading.

While research indicates their viral load is less and infectious for a shorter period, that doesn’t help if you are in close contact with them during that period for any prolonged period.

The OP is right, everyone should be tested regardless of vaccine status (not withstanding accuracy of tests and faking tests of course),

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally get where you are coming from OP.

Not a perfect analogy but I’d rather be in a room with 100 unvaccinated but tested people than 100 vaccinated but untested any day of the week!

I don’t care if you’re vaccinated or not - I care if you are infected!

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"What I'm really saying is that the rules are a mess. It should be proof of negative tests for all, whether you're vaccinated or not.

The more pressing issue OP is did you wear your Santa Willy warmer to the club ?

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

The more pressing issue OP is did you wear your Santa Willy warmer to the club ? "

No of course not, it wasn't a Christmas party, it was a New Year black tie event. I've just uploaded a new pic that shows what I wore.

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds

The more pressing issue OP is did you wear your Santa Willy warmer to the club ?

No of course not, it wasn't a Christmas party, it was a New Year black tie event. I've just uploaded a new pic that shows what I wore."

Thanks for clarifying OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"It's so easy for people to shoe false LFT results- get someone else to di it, keep an old negative one etc. LFTs also not that reliable. Would rather be in the company of responsible vaccinated people personally "
You don't even need to show the test, you scan the qr code, it sends you a text with whatever you say the result was. People can easily lie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Almost certainly, is all I need to know.

I haven't been near another person since! That's how certain I can be."
. Whereas if you had been vaccinated you would most likely be carrying on with normal life right now like most of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you are unvaccinated. If it's by choice, that's just plain irresponsible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Folks before jumping on the OP remember that it is now indisputable that vaccinated people can still transmit Covid just as they can still catch it. The proportional risk vs an unvaccinated person is lower but not eradicated.

Statistically there it is not possible for the huge surge in cases currently to have only been driven by unvaccinated people (there aren’t enough of them).

What we have is the law of unintended consequences.

Many (not all) vaccinated people have thrown caution to the wind and dropped/reduced all other risk mitigations.

While research indicates their viral load is less and infectious for a shorter period, that doesn’t help if you are in close contact with them during that period for any prolonged period.

The OP is right, everyone should be tested regardless of vaccine status (not withstanding accuracy of tests and faking tests of course),"

but his post said the risk was greater from vaccinated people. Which isn’t true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person."

At more risk of hospitalisation. Vaccinated are the new dreaded "asymptomatic spreaders" we all moaned about a year and a half ago. You just have to show your asymptomatic spreaders certificate and off you go

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By *exy Pretty FeetCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

People are complaining about your view but i get what you're saying. My sister was fully vaccinated and did lft before coming home from London for xmas.. still got ill and ended up spreading covid to my son, our elderly father, nephew and me. That's so far.

After my son got ill, i was doing a daily lft which only showed up positive 5 days later (2 days after i got a sore throat as first symptom)

My other sister went to Florida with her family. All fully vaccinated. Pcr tests before flying and boarding cruise. Got covid sometime between then and coming back. Her and daughter tested positive and had to stay behind. It was picked up but had they done lfts the is a high chance they would not have shown positive. Then they would have travelled on a plane full of ppl not knowing they were infected.

Vaccination status alone doesn't ensure anyone is protected from infection or infecting others! This needs to be scrapped as a strategy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The op opinion is pretty on par people and if you can't even see where he's coming from you're probably in denial that your year of virtue signalling was for nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

There are a lot of very blasé vaccinated people who think they are now invincible and don’t need to test or be careful because they’ve been jabbed.

I personally take extra care and test every other day (along with other measures). It can work both ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person."
be real lets face it the jab is fake dont work if it did the hospitals would have lesd admins and cases lower wake up to the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It really is incredible to me the sheer volume of people who think that the plural of "anecdote" is "data"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with what you're saying OP, it's a shame that some posters on this topic will still blame an unvaxed person because

A - They're unvaxed

B - They will probably lie when asked to take a LFT to enter a premises

Rather than just admit that by being vaccinated doesn't stop anything especially as it depends on when they had their last vaccination and their bodies ability to hang onto the antibodies because everyone of us is different.

I know people who had their 2nd vaccine in April and are classed as fully vaccinated, no proof of a booster is required or a negative LFT to enter venues but by rights they aren't any different to an unvaxed person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

I don't understand your logic. I think you need to go back to sleep

. You clearly caught it from an unvaccinated person. You and other unvaccinated could of already had it shown no symptoms and shown a false negative test. Or as is rife these days with a lot of unvaccinated non believers in Covid, stolen a negative test result from elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What I'm really saying is that the rules are a mess. It should be proof of negative tests for all, whether you're vaccinated or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person. be real lets face it the jab is fake dont work if it did the hospitals would have lesd admins and cases lower wake up to the truth "

Hospitals are indeed getting low figures of those vaccinated so far from fake lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or when they do catch it very mild symptoms.

Think the conclusion is: Get Vaccinated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

Proof because someone on fab wrote it lol, also proof that up to 20% are vaccinated.

I'm struggling to see the proof that you speak of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A friend of our who had both vaccinations and the booster shot still contracted the virus so it just lessens symptoms but you can still spread the virus to both vaccinated and unvaccinated people but it's always easier to blame the unvaccinated people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital.

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By *exy Pretty FeetCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"Or when they do catch it very mild symptoms.

Think the conclusion is: Get Vaccinated "

Anyone else remember 2020 when all the talk was about mild symptoms in the majority of infected, so mild that many could be asymptomatic spreaders?

And then 2021 we got a vaccine which.. wait for it... meant that if you did catch it, you got mild symptoms.

Hmmmm

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

" Vaccinated are the new dreaded "asymptomatic spreaders" we all moaned about a year and a half ago. You just have to show your asymptomatic spreaders certificate and off you go

And to be honest that's fine, we have to live with this disease and if being vaccinated allows normal life then so be it.

Those who refuse vaccine and unfortunately those that can't be vaccinated will probably be subject to restrictions for the foreseeable future both to protect them and reduce the load on the NHS

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"What I'm really saying is that the rules are a mess. It should be proof of negative tests for all, whether you're vaccinated or not.

There has been a large amount of inconsistency through the pandemic, in the official measures introduced. Clubs have also had local authorities involvement and their own approaches, which vary.

The very high volumes of infections and severe tests shortages, may have driven some rule guidance.

As it stands, vaccinated people may not catch covid due to immunity, that they would have had otherwise. They will typically be less of an infection risk to others too, partly as any infectiousness may be much shorter and lower in levels.

It's worth members giving feedback to clubs, who all want their guests to stay well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital."

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"It really is incredible to me the sheer volume of people who think that the plural of "anecdote" is "data" "

No, it's 'facts'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person."

That's simply not true, omicron infection rates are higher among the vaccinated, as are admission rates. So, I'm not sure why you say they are talking nonsense.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I don't think that many people would be stupid enough to visit a swinging club if they had just had a positive test result."

There are plenty that don't even do the test. All they need to do is unwrap the plastic strip, chuck everything else away, and use the serial number from the strip to report negative. People that don't believe in testing are not going to actually take a sample, run the test, then ignore the result if it is positive. They're just going to report negative.

The thing is, swinging is totally based on a level of trust. And if someone is going to fake a covid test result - the biggest health crisis in over a hundred years - then how can you possibly trust them about absolutely anything else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The latest figures show that in the week to 29 December 2021 a total of 815 people with confirmed omicron infection were admitted from an emergency department to hospitals in England. Of these, 74% had not had three doses of vaccine—including 25% who were unvaccinated, 6% who had received one dose, and 43% who had received two doses. Twenty three percent had received a booster dose, and the remainder were unknown or had had their first dose less than three weeks ago.

Therefore, there are more in hospital who have been vaccinated (to some degree) than not.

Courtesy of BMJ

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

Vaccinated or unvaccinated if you attend a public event and mix with other people you are taking a risk and that is your own choice.

I don't see how you can complain when you knowingly took a risk.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"What I'm really saying is that the rules are a mess. It should be proof of negative tests for all, whether you're vaccinated or not.

I do agree with this. But the test needs doing under supervision of someone official, and I've no idea how that could be arranged. The big problem is that the people who will lie are exactly the ones that should not be allowed into the club.

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By *D of funCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

You can have a false negative LFT

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

" The latest figures show that in the week to 29 December 2021 a total of 815 people with confirmed omicron infection were admitted from an emergency department to hospitals in England. Of these, 74% had not had three doses of vaccine—including 25% who were unvaccinated, 6% who had received one dose, and 43% who had received two doses. Twenty three percent had received a booster dose, and the remainder were unknown or had had their first dose less than three weeks ago.

Therefore, there are more in hospital who have been vaccinated (to some degree) than not.

Courtesy of BMJ"

So your figures prove without doubt that being vaccinated and having a booster helps prevent hospitalisation.

Thanks

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"What I'm really saying is that the rules are a mess. It should be proof of negative tests for all, whether you're vaccinated or not.

You also are more likely to catch it from a vaccinated person as there are more people vaccinated than unvaccinated

The vaccination is designed to help reduce covids effects on the person as you are not vaccinated then you are at higher risk of complications

Clubs test to help the safety of the unvaccinated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its all bs people. Doesnt matter you vaxed or not, you still get it and spread it. Only difference it suppose to be you get a lighter form of a virus, u fortunately its not about virus or controlling virus. Virusses around us all the time, and at survival rate of the lateone over 99% , why we need a vaccine with side effects????? Which already can be seen happening with heart problems,and more to come?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

You know you can covid off hand rails door handles could have been cleaning staff delivery staff anyone or anything.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Therefore, there are more in hospital who have been vaccinated (to some degree) than not.

Courtesy of BMJ"

Had you quoted more of that report you would have noted that they also state that nationwide the none vaccinated make up 61% of those in ICU which given the difference in those vaccinated to none vaccinated is about 9_1 it's tells a different story..

Btw given the figures of vaccinated to none vaccinated it's hardly news that there will be such disparities..

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person.

That's simply not true, omicron infection rates are higher among the vaccinated, as are admission rates. So, I'm not sure why you say they are talking nonsense. "

And when 100% of people are vaccinated then infection rates will be from all vaccinated

It's not hard to understand the vaccine doesn't prevent you catching it it only reduces the risk of becoming seriously ill that won't apply to all vaccinated with health issues

But if 95% of people are vaccinated and 5 % aren't then it's simple maths that the highest number of infections will be vaccinated

If 100% of the population had covid

95% would be vaccinated 5 % wouldn't

Surely it's not hard to see the more who get vaccinated will always be the higher number

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Therefore, there are more in hospital who have been vaccinated (to some degree) than not.

Courtesy of BMJ"

This...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

Not really she also said 20% of her ward are vaccinated people who managed to catch it

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By *ucy DuoCouple
over a year ago

Watford

I had a similar situation, out of 10 vaxed I was the only one unvaxed and managed not to catch it when the rest of my family(over Christmas lunch) unluckily managed to get it from one of my children.

Look at Israel, most vaxxed dense population on the planet, their studies show vaxed are 27 times more likely to catch it.

Yes OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a similar situation, out of 10 vaxed I was the only one unvaxed and managed not to catch it when the rest of my family(over Christmas lunch) unluckily managed to get it from one of my children.

Look at Israel, most vaxxed dense population on the planet, their studies show vaxed are 27 times more likely to catch it.

Yes OP"

Same as my household. My adult (vaxxed) son and his (vaxxed) partner ( and his partners mum, dad and sister who they live with, all vaxxed) all tested positive and no one in my house (all unvaxxed) did even though we were in very close proximity. Crazy isn’t it

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By *eglieanCouple
over a year ago

Torbay

Can't really understand a lot of this thread,,, if your vaccinated and you get covid, from what some have said ,, you would not isolate, you would go to a swingers party or anywhere else, taking the attitude your invulnerable,,, and could, nt care less if you passed it on to others.

Get a life,,, if your responsible enough to go to the trouble of getting vaccinated, to protect your family, friends and fellow residents on the planet, your certainly more responsible a person, than someone who,s putting up a stupid argument or excuse for not getting a jab. Your the people who are going to get the club's closed again.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I had a similar situation, out of 10 vaxed I was the only one unvaxed and managed not to catch it when the rest of my family(over Christmas lunch) unluckily managed to get it from one of my children.

Look at Israel, most vaxxed dense population on the planet, their studies show vaxed are 27 times more likely to catch it.

Yes OP"

27 times more likely any link to that?

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

I had a similar situation, out of 10 vaxed I was the only one unvaxed and managed not to catch it when the rest of my family(over Christmas lunch) unluckily managed to get it from one of my children.

Look at Israel, most vaxxed dense population on the planet, their studies show vaxed are 27 times more likely to catch it.

Yes OP

Yes, unbelievably so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a similar situation, out of 10 vaxed I was the only one unvaxed and managed not to catch it when the rest of my family(over Christmas lunch) unluckily managed to get it from one of my children.

Look at Israel, most vaxxed dense population on the planet, their studies show vaxed are 27 times more likely to catch it.

Yes OP

Yes, unbelievably so."

Haha you two crack me up, you really do. I love your posts, they’re really entertaining.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You know you can covid off hand rails door handles could have been cleaning staff delivery staff anyone or anything. "
Its also very rare from what I've read.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

I guess bo one knows which varient they have when infected.

My brother got covid in 2020 and had mild flu like symptoms similarly to all the other flu,s he has ever had. Fast forward 2021 and he gets the virus again except this time he is triple vaccinated but exact same symptoms

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

"I guess bo one knows which varient they have when infected.

I must add that 8t seems like a lottery as I constantly read stories in the English papers about anti vaxxers getting g coivd and dying or sitting up in bed sporting best compo faces declaring that everyone should get vaxxed

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

Very true I caught my bout from a boostered work colleague …. Great !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

And we have another one. Vaccinated or unvaccinated everyone can get it. No one is excempt from catching it. So you cant use your anti vax nonsense. VAXED AND PROUD TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN KEEPING MY LOVED ONES SAFE.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Can't really understand a lot of this thread,,, if your vaccinated and you get covid, from what some have said ,, you would not isolate, you would go to a swingers party or anywhere else, taking the attitude your invulnerable,,, and could, nt care less if you passed it on to others.

Sadly not true. Many vaxxed have thrown caution to the wind.

Just look around this country for a bit. It is full of self-centred selfish twats who couldn’t give a toss about other people. Many people ONLY had the vaccine to protect themselves and be able to go on holiday or to the pub. They don’t care if they are spreading it as long as they aren’t impacted and can continue to lead their lives how they see fit.

BTW not all people but certainly a lot.

I have more respect for someone who is unvaxxed but continuing to be very careful and applying other risk mitigations than someone who just rolled up their sleeve a few times and now thinks fuck it I’m alright Jack!

My parents, in their 70s, did everything right between March 20 and Sept 21. Were very careful, masks if out (not much), online shopping, etc. Once double vaxxed they met up with their caravan friends (yes I know) all of whom were also double vaxxed. Week or so later ALL 20 of them had Covid caught from one of the party who was asymptomatic and didn’t even realise they were infected.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person.

That's simply not true, omicron infection rates are higher among the vaccinated, as are admission rates. So, I'm not sure why you say they are talking nonsense.

And when 100% of people are vaccinated then infection rates will be from all vaccinated

It's not hard to understand the vaccine doesn't prevent you catching it it only reduces the risk of becoming seriously ill that won't apply to all vaccinated with health issues

But if 95% of people are vaccinated and 5 % aren't then it's simple maths that the highest number of infections will be vaccinated

If 100% of the population had covid

95% would be vaccinated 5 % wouldn't

Surely it's not hard to see the more who get vaccinated will always be the higher number

It's fairly ridiculous that people don't understand this - or pretend not to for the sake of trying to fool others.

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By *eukcplCouple
over a year ago

durham

So your figures prove without doubt that being vaccinated and having a booster helps

What it does show is 26% are fully vaccinated and booster.

Where as 25% are unvaccinated

And 75% have at least one dose.

Please explain how that shows having vaccines work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

There are a lot of very blasé vaccinated people who think they are now invincible and don’t need to test or be careful because they’ve been jabbed.

I personally take extra care and test every other day (along with other measures). It can work both ways."

Well im fully vaccinated and not blasé. Ive been careful from the beginning and will continue to do so. I dnt care if you are vaccinated or not . If you have a positive test stay indoors. Id like to bet that not everyone who gets it does. Or self isolates when returning from holiday. I know people who havnt. So no problem just keep your distance from me and my loved ones. Having the vaccine or not having it is your choice. Its,my choice to stay safe

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

Lots of maybe and probably.

So, in a nutshell, you have no idea how you became infected and

because you are unvaccinated you prefer to slide the blame onto vaccinated people.

Brilliant.

Glad you are feeling ok though.

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By *ldbutrandyMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

"Or when they do catch it very mild symptoms.

Think the conclusion is: Get Vaccinated

Anyone else remember 2020 when all the talk was about mild symptoms in the majority of infected, so mild that many could be asymptomatic spreaders?

And then 2021 we got a vaccine which.. wait for it... meant that if you did catch it, you got mild symptoms.

Hmmmm"

Tell that to 5 million plus worldwide dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

There are a lot of very blasé vaccinated people who think they are now invincible and don’t need to test or be careful because they’ve been jabbed.

I personally take extra care and test every other day (along with other measures). It can work both ways.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"be real lets face it the jab is fake dont work if it did the hospitals would have lesd admins and cases lower wake up to the truth "

You definitely sound like a person I'd be taking medical advice from

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

There are a lot of very blasé vaccinated people who think they are now invincible and don’t need to test or be careful because they’ve been jabbed.

I personally take extra care and test every other day (along with other measures). It can work both ways.

And this is to who may I ask. If me then I dnt remember anywhere me telling anyone to do anything. Oh you mean do the responsible thing of staying indoors if you have COVID. Think thats for your conscience don't you think. Not a stupid comment like telling someone what to do. Omg some people are idiots

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By *ldbutrandyMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person.

That's simply not true, omicron infection rates are higher among the vaccinated, as are admission rates. So, I'm not sure why you say they are talking nonsense.

And when 100% of people are vaccinated then infection rates will be from all vaccinated

It's not hard to understand the vaccine doesn't prevent you catching it it only reduces the risk of becoming seriously ill that won't apply to all vaccinated with health issues

But if 95% of people are vaccinated and 5 % aren't then it's simple maths that the highest number of infections will be vaccinated

If 100% of the population had covid

95% would be vaccinated 5 % wouldn't

Surely it's not hard to see the more who get vaccinated will always be the higher number

The fact you have to point out the obvious , and yet it still doesn't sink in , is worrying. Also worrying is how some choose to believe social media icons rather than experts that have spent their lives studying these things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person."

Completely missed the point of what the OP said.

A tested unvaccinated person is more at risk of catching Covid from an untested vaccinated person than from another tested unvaccinated.

OP is spot on

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

Think the point OP is making is that everyone should be testing as unvaccinated and fully vaccinated inc booster can spread it.

I test and im vaccinated and boosted.

So OP has a very valid point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

What?

How long AFTER being at the club did you develop Covid?

Nowhere has it been said that being vaccinated that they can’t catch or pass it on, of course they can, being vaccinated only means that if they were to get it they’d have a milder dose of it than it might be than if they weren’t vaccinated. IE keep them out of hospital.

loving your logic

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By *dysseusukMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Statistically there it is not possible for the huge surge in cases currently to have only been driven by unvaccinated people (there aren’t enough of them).

What we have is the law of unintended consequences.

Many (not all) vaccinated people have thrown caution to the wind and dropped/reduced all other risk mitigations.

While research indicates their viral load is less and infectious for a shorter period, that doesn’t help if you are in close contact with them during that period for any prolonged period.

The OP is right, everyone should be tested regardless of vaccine status (not withstanding accuracy of tests and faking tests of course),"

This is all true and correct. I'd only say however that given it's clear that the vaccinations by and large work to protect the vast majority of people against serious disease and hospitalisation, then if we're going to live our lives, maybe it's time we accept the risk we might get COVID on the basis that it's largely mild if vaccinated, but test ourselves regularly if we are spending time around more vulnerable people. It may even be a good thing if you're jabbed to get a mild version as the natural infection on top of the jab will give your immunity a further boost - the higher the immunity in the population the less dangerous this disease will and is becoming. It's not the job though of the vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated, so let the OP and others make their choice with the higher risk that not having the jab brings. I'm glad though he only has cold like symptoms.

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By *dysseusukMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By *dysseusukMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person.

Completely missed the point of what the OP said.

A tested unvaccinated person is more at risk of catching Covid from an untested vaccinated person than from another tested unvaccinated.

OP is spot on"

Yes, that's correct, but it's not the job of the vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated who have made their choice to put themselves at greater risk when they attend a club or a 'gathering' with cheese and wine!

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

There are a lot of very blasé vaccinated people who think they are now invincible and don’t need to test or be careful because they’ve been jabbed.

I personally take extra care and test every other day (along with other measures). It can work both ways.

No, if you test positive it's your DUTY to avoid others end of, no excuse, no exemption.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

There are a lot of very blasé vaccinated people who think they are now invincible and don’t need to test or be careful because they’ve been jabbed.

I personally take extra care and test every other day (along with other measures). It can work both ways.

No, if you test positive it's your DUTY to avoid others end of, no excuse, no exemption."
. Er, we all know that. Quite obviously we are talking about people who are not knowingly positive.

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By *dysseusukMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Sadly not true. Many vaxxed have thrown caution to the wind.

BTW not all people but certainly a lot.

I think you're missing the whole point of vaccination - and how it acts as a short cut to something nearing herd immunity across the whole population. It's the only way we will all get or lives and freedoms back. The more people who are vaccinated, the less serious the disease is, and natural infection then helps to keep topping up our immune system. If you're unvaccinated, you're making a choice to be at greater risk. That's not the vaccinated's responsibility.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

Statistically there it is not possible for the huge surge in cases currently to have only been driven by unvaccinated people (there aren’t enough of them).

What we have is the law of unintended consequences.

Many (not all) vaccinated people have thrown caution to the wind and dropped/reduced all other risk mitigations.

While research indicates their viral load is less and infectious for a shorter period, that doesn’t help if you are in close contact with them during that period for any prolonged period.

The OP is right, everyone should be tested regardless of vaccine status (not withstanding accuracy of tests and faking tests of course),"

Said ages ago the asymmetric vaccinated would be supper spreaders but the more we get it the more resilience we build.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

So can you up date how they contracted it from unvaccinated or vaccinated. The odds are in the favour of vaccinated

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

So can you up date how they contracted it from unvaccinated or vaccinated. The odds are in the favour of vaccinated

It's totally irrelevant, the point is that unvaccinated people are MUCH MORE likely to require hospitalization. That's why restrictions are being imposed in the unvaccinated.

However evidence states that a vaccinated person is LESS likely to transmit the virus.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Couldn't agree more . The logic behind some people not getting vaccinated is both selfish and often clutching at straws or odd conclusions

There are a lot of very blasé vaccinated people who think they are now invincible and don’t need to test or be careful because they’ve been jabbed.

I personally take extra care and test every other day (along with other measures). It can work both ways.

No, if you test positive it's your DUTY to avoid others end of, no excuse, no exemption.. Er, we all know that. Quite obviously we are talking about people who are not knowingly positive. "

Maybe reread the quoted bit a few times ....

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital."

So if all hospital staff are triple vaccinated and the vaccinated can't catch covid your saying all staff of sick with covid on full are committing fraud my you own analogy

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

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I don't think that many people would be stupid enough to visit a swinging club if they had just had a positive test result."

Are you kidding?

From what I can see, New Year's Eve parties are of monumental importance to many people.

Why would they let a (debatable) moral obligation to protect others get in the way of their own big night out?

We purport to be a caring society but that is usually secondary to the needs of number one.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital.

So if all hospital staff are triple vaccinated and the vaccinated can't catch covid your saying all staff of sick with covid on full are committing fraud my you own analogy

Can you please translate that lot ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

Not really she also said 20% of her ward are vaccinated people who managed to catch it

No way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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I don't think that many people would be stupid enough to visit a swinging club if they had just had a positive test result.

Are you kidding?

From what I can see, New Year's Eve parties are of monumental importance to many people.

Why would they let a (debatable) moral obligation to protect others get in the way of their own big night out?

We purport to be a caring society but that is usually secondary to the needs of number one.

Agreed. Many, many people aren’t going to miss a night out and particularly aren’t going to miss the chance to get their end away

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

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I don't think that many people would be stupid enough to visit a swinging club if they had just had a positive test result.

Are you kidding?

From what I can see, New Year's Eve parties are of monumental importance to many people.

Why would they let a (debatable) moral obligation to protect others get in the way of their own big night out?

We purport to be a caring society but that is usually secondary to the needs of number one.

Agreed. Many, many people aren’t going to miss a night out and particularly aren’t going to miss the chance to get their end away "

Yep the same sort of people that are happy to drink and drive

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"So your figures prove without doubt that being vaccinated and having a booster helps

What it does show is 26% are fully vaccinated and booster.

Where as 25% are unvaccinated

And 75% have at least one dose.

Please explain how that shows having vaccines work?"

That don't add up you can't have 126%

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital.

So if all hospital staff are triple vaccinated and the vaccinated can't catch covid your saying all staff of sick with covid on full are committing fraud my you own analogy

Who, who, who has ever said fully vaccinated folks cannot catch or act as vectors.

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

How do you know where you caught it as it can take upto ten days to present itself in you

And even then if your showing no

symptoms a test may be un reliable

We have friends where one tested positive but the other didn't till a week later

Hard to pin point where they caught it

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

1) good for you that you are feeling good! Glad it didn’t affect you the way it had affected others.. I am sure you showed the same compassion for those people in those threads!

2) scientifically what you said is actually incorrect.. what the research is showing is that even though both vaccinated and unvaccinated people tend to have the same “load”….. what is being shown is that vaccinated people has that load for a shorter period of time!!!

Basically unvaccinated people are infectious for a longer period.. so now you have it, you are a danger to others in potentially passing it on for a longer time

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital.

So if all hospital staff are triple vaccinated and the vaccinated can't catch covid your saying all staff of sick with covid on full are committing fraud my you own analogy

Who, who, who has ever said fully vaccinated folks cannot catch or act as vectors.

I honestly think there should have been a public information roll out in very simplistic terminology as to the actual specifics of what the vaccines were intended to do..

Although I still think some would have ignored or distorted said information..

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital.

So if all hospital staff are triple vaccinated and the vaccinated can't catch covid your saying all staff of sick with covid on full are committing fraud my you own analogy

Who, who, who has ever said fully vaccinated folks cannot catch or act as vectors.

I honestly think there should have been a public information roll out in very simplistic terminology as to the actual specifics of what the vaccines were intended to do..

Although I still think some would have ignored or distorted said information.."

My understanding of the reasoning behind the vaccine rollout, is to reduce the burden of herd immunity on society and the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital.

So if all hospital staff are triple vaccinated and the vaccinated can't catch covid your saying all staff of sick with covid on full are committing fraud my you own analogy

Who, who, who has ever said fully vaccinated folks cannot catch or act as vectors.

I honestly think there should have been a public information roll out in very simplistic terminology as to the actual specifics of what the vaccines were intended to do..

Although I still think some would have ignored or distorted said information.."

Agreed as some people just dont get it ...

It needed to be made simpler for the simpler !

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

1) good for you that you are feeling good! Glad it didn’t affect you the way it had affected others.. I am sure you showed the same compassion for those people in those threads!

Basically unvaccinated people are infectious for a longer period.. so now you have it, you are a danger to others in potentially passing it on for a longer time "

But Fabio that shorter period can be offset by a number of factors:

1) Less or no symptoms meaning people are freely mixing and spreading.

2) Some people who are vaccinated have stopped applying other risk mitigations.

3) The sheer number of vaccinated people means you are far more likely to come into contact with them then an unvaccinated person, in which case see points 1&2.

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By *eukcplCouple
over a year ago

durham

What it does show is 26% are fully vaccinated and booster.

Where as 25% are unvaccinated

And 75% have at least one dose.

Please explain how that shows having vaccines work?

That don't add up you can't have 126%

75% are vaccinated of which 26% of those are fully vaxed and booster. The other 25% are unvaccinated.

So 75% + 25% = 100%

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"What it does show is 26% are fully vaccinated and booster.

Where as 25% are unvaccinated

And 75% have at least one dose.

Please explain how that shows having vaccines work?

That don't add up you can't have 126%

75% are vaccinated of which 26% of those are fully vaxed and booster. The other 25% are unvaccinated.

So 75% + 25% = 100%"

And again it's obvious the higher number will be vaccinated as there are more vaccinated than unvaccinated

If everyone was vaccinated then 100% would be positive

Not to mention most fully vaccinated will be older and may have underlying conditions

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By *aughty power coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cotswolds

Whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed it is quite clear that there is no credible evidence for a covid passport other than authoritarian control.

I can't help but find the logic funny that at a swingers club the only real need for entry is to be sure of someone's covid status over say their sexual health status.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Whether you are vaxxed or unvaxxed it is quite clear that there is no credible evidence for a covid passport other than authoritarian control.

I can't help but find the logic funny that at a swingers club the only real need for entry is to be sure of someone's covid status over say their sexual health status. "

The credible evidence is that it protects the unvaccinated

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By *aughty power coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cotswolds

Ok. How?

If vaxxed and unvaxxed can pass it on...

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

Err yes it has been said. Right from the start of when the vaccines were introduced they were sold to us all on the basis of not catching COVID and not transmitting it. These were the vaccines that would wipe out COVID. It was only later that it was discovered that they didn't work anywhere near as well as we were told. And all the regulations are built on the premise that vaccinated people don't spread the disease, which we all now know to be incorrect.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Any links for this. I know they said later it makes you less likely to spread it but that was an added bonus not the original purpose of the current vaccines. I am prepared to be proved wrong though.

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

From what I can see, New Year's Eve parties are of monumental importance to many people.

Why would they let a (debatable) moral obligation to protect others get in the way of their own big night out?

We purport to be a caring society but that is usually secondary to the needs of number one.

Well then I'm making the mistake of judging others by my own standards. Now that I know for sure that I am carrying the disease I am taking my responsibility to isolate very seriously. Whatever I feel about various aspects of this pandemic, I certainly don't want to spread it to anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, having the vaccine only serves to protect the vaccinated from a bad a dose of having Covid and ending up in hospital. I have never heard that the vaccine would destroy Covid

just like the flu vaccine does not kill the flu.

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By *uy4swingingMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

“Probably” is not certain. Your opening sentence is totally inaccurate and baseless. Get vaccinated and help stop this virus spreading. It is far better to listen to what NHS, doctors nurses and scientists who are on the frontline are saying. The evidence is pretty clear. Promoting non verified claims is dangerous and let’s face it simply stupid.

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

I won't need a vaccine now in any case. When I recover from this I will be full of beautiful pure natural antibodies and T-cell immunity.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I don't think that many people would be stupid enough to visit a swinging club if they had just had a positive test result."

People who've had worse colds might.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Your own fault, for mixing with vaccinated people

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By *ajobMan
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

Where u been hiding....gee wiz....read a bit .listen to some medical experts who can explain the real world data of how it is all working and so on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

Unfortunately LFT are not as accurate as they really need to be, and there is no validation that a test is carried out correctly (or at all).

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I won't need a vaccine now in any case. When I recover from this I will be full of beautiful pure natural antibodies and T-cell immunity. "

All immunity is natural, it is made by your body. It is the "pathogen" that is synthesised in vaccine acquired immunity.

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over a year ago

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

buy test, don't bother taking test, upload negative result, nobody checks .... bingo! unvaxxed pretending to be clear of the virus merely so they can attend venues. i rest my case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

.....or some of the tests are wrong.

Which lets face it, that has been known.

It's a chance you take when huddled together enjoying the sweaty atmosphere

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

This is not a complicated subject. First of all being vaccinated lowers the risk of being seriously ill or lessens the chances of ending up in hospital, it does not mean you can't catch covid-19. Second ,OP you do know that LFTs are not reliable at all,they can show a negative result while you're positive so you can't conclude that you hot it from someone who's vaccinated. You could have caught it from anyone in the club or maybe you had it before you even got there. I tested positive a while back and while I was isolating I did an LFT everyday and it always came back negative.

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

OP I think you should have just put the topic as I'm against the vaccine. It was never said that the vaccine will wipe out covid. There's a difference between a vaccine a d a cure. If they had said they had found a cure for covid then you could have had an argument. A vaccine offers protection and in this case it's protection from being seriously ill if you catch covid.

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By *tevied1976Man
over a year ago

gloucester

"buy test, don't bother taking test, upload negative result, nobody checks .... bingo! unvaxxed pretending to be clear of the virus merely so they can attend venues. i rest my case."

Or a vaccinated person who is unaware or aware they have COVID and just turns up carrying it and spreading it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...and I applaud your immune system, that seems to be strong enough to fight the virus OP. That's if you have mild symptoms!

Lucky you!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"buy test, don't bother taking test, upload negative result, nobody checks .... bingo! unvaxxed pretending to be clear of the virus merely so they can attend venues. i rest my case."

Interesting how your mind works! Do you judge everyone by those standards? It sounds as if you think everyone unvaxxed is also a dishonest liar?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

OP is spot on

This. If you are unvaccinated take the appropriate precautions,

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By *ice guy 77Man
over a year ago

ashford

There was a program on the radio that stated 95 percent of people in hospital with COVID had not been vaccinated, this was two NHS doctors talking about it

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"buy test, don't bother taking test, upload negative result, nobody checks .... bingo! unvaxxed pretending to be clear of the virus merely so they can attend venues. i rest my case.

Or a vaccinated person who is unaware or aware they have COVID and just turns up carrying it and spreading it."

Deja Vu

The new normal, that's why there's restrictions on the unvaccinated.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"buy test, don't bother taking test, upload negative result, nobody checks .... bingo! unvaxxed pretending to be clear of the virus merely so they can attend venues. i rest my case.

Or a vaccinated person who is unaware or aware they have COVID and just turns up carrying it and spreading it.

Deja Vu

The new normal, that's why there's restrictions on the unvaccinated.

Do those restrictions apply to those who are unvaccinated because they can’t have the vaccines for some medical reason?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A person who has had two jabs and no booster.

Are they considered to be vaccinated or would they need to take the booster to be considered fully vaccinated

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

"A person who has had two jabs and no booster.

Are they considered to be vaccinated or would they need to take the booster to be considered fully vaccinated "

In UK you are classed as vacinated for now. But i would expect that to change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A person who has had two jabs and no booster.

Are they considered to be vaccinated or would they need to take the booster to be considered fully vaccinated

In UK you are classed as vacinated for now. But i would expect that to change."

Thanks.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Just a question, but do those of you clearly scoffing work in a frontline NHS/Medical position? Only asking as your tone appears to be sneering at those who do show respect for others, as opposed to those who dont/won't?

As someone who HAS worked frontline for 18 years I'd absolutely agree with the OP that no vaccine ever guaranteed anyone not getting something, nor passing it on, but definitely DOES go a long way to prevent more serious effects. While I'd never want to force people to have vaccines (slippery slope) I would say that most of the NHS staff I know are at their wits end and exhausted at this point. All are happy to do their jobs as necessary, but the one thing they consistently complain about are the people who simply refuse to be vaccinated on the basis of arrogance and who think they know better than the experts.

As a rule the statistics are now consistently showing 80% of those hospitalised with Covid - AND importantly clogging up resources that are preventing people with other serious conditions from getting treatment - to be the ones refusing to be jabbed - and primarily otherwise young, fit, healthy people. QED that's arrogantly putting other people's lives at stake who DO have serious conditions that may be exacerbated, or not treaded, as a result of beds being taken up by Covid patients, so hope those scoffing are proud of themselves.

In terms of EVERYONE giving proof of negative tests before going to a club I'd agree wholeheartedly and hope 100% of people would do that, but I'm also 100% certain that won't be the case, as so many refuse to even wear masks in places where it's mandatory - once again incredibly arrogant and disrespectful of others! Even if people don't wish to be jabbed they can (largely, other than those with GENUINE medical exemptions) still comply with that at least. A bit of simple consideration and common sense would go a long way for all of us.

.......and before the lunatics start banging on about NHS staff refusing to be jabbed, they're in as small a minority as those from outside the profession who refuse, so let's not use that as spurious 'evidence'.

Even if we don't wish to be inoculated - which I fully respect - at least let's have some basic respect for those around us. Wear a mask when you can - ESPECIALLY if it's mandatory and not be arrogant in refusing to do that basic thing - and show a bit of respect for the NHS staff dealing with this. We can ALL do our bit to help, whether we believe our own selves to be at risk or not.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

OP, this is like saying that in a car crash, you're more likely to get hit by a driver wearing a seat belt.

It stands to reason that as the majority of the population (eligible for a vaccination) are vaccinated, then they will be the ones transmitting it the most.

As I understand it, the vaccination doesn't stop you catching COVID, nor does it stop you passing it on, it's designed to lessen the effects of the virus on an individual. I'm glad that your okay.

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By *oublethefun696Couple (MM)
over a year ago

Omagh/Belfast

"It's so easy for people to shoe false LFT results- get someone else to di it, keep an old negative one etc. LFTs also not that reliable. Would rather be in the company of responsible vaccinated people personally You don't even need to show the test, you scan the qr code, it sends you a text with whatever you say the result was. People can easily lie."

People are also scanning qr codes, reporting as negative and not even doing a test to get in to venues.

Also false negatives are common on LFTs so OP cannot say for sure they didn’t have it before entering and neither can anyone else who used one. LFTs do not pick up the virus at the early stages. It clearly states on LFT test that a negative result does not mean you don’t have covid.

As well as that nobody ever said vaccinated people cannot spread it. But figures speak for themselves. Most of the seriously ill are unvaccinated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So when people in this forum say unvaccinated, are they referring to those who have never received a Vaccination?

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital.

So if all hospital staff are triple vaccinated and the vaccinated can't catch covid your saying all staff of sick with covid on full are committing fraud my you own analogy

Who, who, who has ever said fully vaccinated folks cannot catch or act as vectors.

I honestly think there should have been a public information roll out in very simplistic terminology as to the actual specifics of what the vaccines were intended to do..

Although I still think some would have ignored or distorted said information.."

Think most people understand it quite clearly but sometimes the truth doesn't fit their agenda.

I'm really cross with myself as my New Years resolution was to keep clear of the virus forum.

So, have a great 2022, I'm off.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"buy test, don't bother taking test, upload negative result, nobody checks .... bingo! unvaxxed pretending to be clear of the virus merely so they can attend venues. i rest my case.

Or a vaccinated person who is unaware or aware they have COVID and just turns up carrying it and spreading it.

Deja Vu

The new normal, that's why there's restrictions on the unvaccinated.

Do those restrictions apply to those who are unvaccinated because they can’t have the vaccines for some medical reason?"

Unfortunately for the time being those who have a true medical reason for not being vaccinated have got a problem.

I'm sure there are people smarter than us trying to figure it out but the main thing is that those who can get vaccinated do so in order to keep treatments for those that truly need it.

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By *heHookyMonsterMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Not true. No vaccine has EVER been purported to prevent contraction of a disease, nor cure it - it's NEVER been what vaccines do. They're simply to aquire a certain amount of protection from severe symptoms. This goes for vaccination against anything.

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By *wesomeLola OP Couple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Buckinghamshire

Well this discussion has really gone off in a lot of different ways. So many people have totally missed the point that I was trying to make. The details of me catching COVID were just supporting information.

So let me try to be a bit clearer.

To attend an event such as the one we attended on NYE there are rules set down by the government. Assuming nobody is wilfully breaking the rules and also acknowledging the limitations of the tests, you can attend if either:

1) You are unvaccinated and took a test immediately before the event. Because you took a test you are PROBABLY not infected, but this is not guaranteed.

2) You are vaccinated. No requirement to take a test, and the vaccine doesn't stop you from being infected so it's possible that you are infected and spreading and you don't know about it.

The point is that vaccination does not prevent you from spreading (and we know that), but the rules for entry to venues are based on the assumption that it does.

Is that clearer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So when people in this forum say unvaccinated, are they referring to those who have never received a Vaccination?"

I'm sure it is....

Booster has usually been a separate conversation altogether.

Well the ones I've seen anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well this discussion has really gone off in a lot of different ways. So many people have totally missed the point that I was trying to make. The details of me catching COVID were just supporting information.

So let me try to be a bit clearer.

1) You are unvaccinated and took a test immediately before the event. Because you took a test you are PROBABLY not infected, but this is not guaranteed.

2) You are vaccinated. No requirement to take a test, and the vaccine doesn't stop you from being infected so it's possible that you are infected and spreading and you don't know about it.

The point is that vaccination does not prevent you from spreading (and we know that), but the rules for entry to venues are based on the assumption that it does.

Is that clearer?"

Yes it is....

It's like two different people wrote your first and now this....

Thanks for clarifying

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Is there anyone who is vaccinated who wouldn’t take a test before going to a club…or any other public event for that matter? It’s just good sense, whether a requirement or not.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"I’m a Respiratory Nurse, over 80% of the patients on the Covid ward where I work are unvaccinated. Over to you OP

Proof then that vaccinated people can't catch it.

No, not at all, however it does show that vaccinated people are less likely to end up in hospital."

Absolutely..

My word.. some of the answers on this thread are short sighted and completely misunderstanding or in complete denial of the facts..

It is fact that being vaccinated does not give a magic shield against catching COVID, but if you are unfortunate and catch it then it is very highly likely you'll suffer light symptoms and avoid illness that requires hospital. Which does cause an issue where 'prove negative or being jabbed' becomes the problem.

Someone jabbed can mean you are infectious to others who are unvaccinated or vaccinated and the proof of entry should be a negative test for 'everyone' attending. The instructions were clear for everyone, jabbed or not was to LFT before mixing with others. A vaccinated person who is infectious is also a higher risk to others as they'll more than likely put it down to a cold.

Obviously, someone, either vaccinated or unvaccinated attended the same location as you without any consideration to others by failing to test themselves prior to going. I would contact the club, although they did what the law requires, it was obviously not stringent enough to protect others.

Lack of tests over New Year is another issue and a failing of government.

I have family members of the psychology that they are triple jabbed and wear a mask, therefore invincible. Over Christmas, I was criticised for insistence on testing of all family members regardless of vaccination status for this very reason - to stop the spread and help protect others.

No one said vaccination will guarantee no requirement of hospital, but will significantly reduce the chances of it.

No one said vaccination is a guarantee you won't catch it, just a very likely chance symptoms will be milder.

There are many reason vaccinated people end up in hospital, 1) their immune system is weak, 2) given that it takes 3 to 4 weeks for max vaccine protection- what happens if you caught COVID within this 3 week window?

To claim vaccination does not work just because people vaccinated are in hospital is compkete bullshit.

Considering that 80-90% of those in hospital are from a population of 30% of the UK speaks volumes as to how effective vaccination actually is.

Out of 65 million, 20 million are accounting for most of the admissions to hospital, surely if vaccine wasn't working, the numbers of vaccinated people would be 3 times more than unvaccinated in hospitals?

So, yes, you are more likely at risk from someone vaccinated as they might not be LFT testing assuming they immune and if they did have, they might not even know it. Even triple jabbed, I certainly don't want it as I don't know the outcome and could be one of the 20%, so still careful.

As for clubs, I stopped going over winter as got sick to the back teeth of selfish others who didn't give two hoots for anyone else. By turning up coughing, sneezing and spreading bugs to others when they should have been at home - that was before COVID.

Is there anything sexy watching someone else in the same room full of a cold?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My word.. some of the answers on this thread are short sighted and completely misunderstanding or in complete denial of the facts..

Lack of tests over New Year is another issue and a failing of government.

No one said vaccination will guarantee no requirement of hospital, but will significantly reduce the chances of it.

No one said vaccination is a guarantee you won't catch it, just a very likely chance symptoms will be milder.

To claim vaccination does not work just because people vaccinated are in hospital is compkete bullshit.

Considering that 80-90% of those in hospital are from a population of 30% of the UK speaks volumes as to how effective vaccination actually is.

Is there anything sexy watching someone else in the same room full of a cold?"

Well said!

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

Thank you

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person."

The person talking nonsense is you. Being double, triple or even quadruple vaccinated provides you with no more protection from contracting COVID 19, or from passing it on than an unvaccinated person. FYI there is no evidence from anywhere across the globe that you’re better protected from being infected or passing it on than one who isn’t.

In fact it’s probably worse because if you don’t understand this you’re more likely to be lax in your self discipline than others and therefore contract an infection.

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

So let me try to be a bit clearer.

1) You are unvaccinated and took a test immediately before the event. Because you took a test you are PROBABLY not infected, but this is not guaranteed.

2) You are vaccinated. No requirement to take a test, and the vaccine doesn't stop you from being infected so it's possible that you are infected and spreading and you don't know about it.

The point is that vaccination does not prevent you from spreading (and we know that), but the rules for entry to venues are based on the assumption that it does.

Is that clearer?"

That’s entirely correct. But for some obscure reason the vaccine is being pushed out as the end to COVID despite this glaring error.

Have vaccine, still contract and spread the virus.

Don’t have vaccine, same applies.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is there anyone who is vaccinated who wouldn’t take a test before going to a club…or any other public event for that matter? It’s just good sense, whether a requirement or not."

Of course I bloody would

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By *mma_EvansTV/TS
over a year ago

Colchester

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds."

Have you contacted the club to let them know?

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By *ilver Fox 60Man
over a year ago

Southport

I can't believe that anyone unvaccinated would go to a club .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't believe that anyone unvaccinated would go to a club ."

Me neither! Disgraceful behaviour! Lock them away and throw away the key

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

So let me try to be a bit clearer.

1) You are unvaccinated and took a test immediately before the event. Because you took a test you are PROBABLY not infected, but this is not guaranteed.

2) You are vaccinated. No requirement to take a test, and the vaccine doesn't stop you from being infected so it's possible that you are infected and spreading and you don't know about it.

The point is that vaccination does not prevent you from spreading (and we know that), but the rules for entry to venues are based on the assumption that it does.

Is that clearer?

That’s entirely correct. But for some obscure reason the vaccine is being pushed out as the end to COVID despite this glaring error.

Have vaccine, still contract and spread the virus.

Don’t have vaccine, same applies. "

You’re getting quite a bit mixed up here. Putting aside everything else, the evidence shows absolutely that the vaccine reduces chances of symptomatic Covid that will put you in hospital.

From the government’s point of view, the goal is to keep people out of hospital, because the underfunded NHS can’t cope with masses needing hospitalisation due to Covid.

If people get Covid and don’t need hospitalisation, that’s just fine from their point of view. Of course the impact on 1.3 million and climbing with long Covid is a problem for another day…long term planning is not their strong point. Neither is short term planning for that matter.

So from the point of view of keeping a failing health system on its legs, the vaccine clearly is the answer, if the government won’t impose strict social controls. And ‘encouraging’ people to get vaccinated by influencing their ability to take part in daily life through proof of vaccine status is a part of that answer.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I can't believe that anyone unvaccinated would go to a club ."

Boring as it is, I can’t believe people are going to swingers clubs at all right now! Vaccinated or not! You may be at lower risk vaccinated but you can still get it and still spread it! In fact you may be asymptomatic and not even know you have it and are spreading it!

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person.

In fact it’s probably worse because if you don’t understand this you’re more likely to be lax in your self discipline than others and therefore contract an infection. "

Think you need to re-read my response. Not for one moment did I say I am immune to catching it. Just much less likely, but not guaranteed I'll get to the other side in better shape!!

I am triple jabbed and flow test 3 times a week to ensure I don't pass it unknowingly to others as I understand that I'm less likely to show symptoms if caught it.

Go back and read again, I'll help you pick the toys up later.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I can't believe that anyone unvaccinated would go to a club .

Agreed.

It's definitely boring, but there's just no way. (Although if I did, I'd test. Social responsibility and all that jazz)

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By *orset.JMan
over a year ago

Weymouth

Statistically there it is not possible for the huge surge in cases currently to have only been driven by unvaccinated people (there aren’t enough of them).

What we have is the law of unintended consequences.

Many (not all) vaccinated people have thrown caution to the wind and dropped/reduced all other risk mitigations.

While research indicates their viral load is less and infectious for a shorter period, that doesn’t help if you are in close contact with them during that period for any prolonged period.

The OP is right, everyone should be tested regardless of vaccine status (not withstanding accuracy of tests and faking tests of course),"

Many people in general now, both vaccinated and unvaccinated are actually testing probably twice a week. Although this maybe not the case before a party- many vaccinated people have to do so for work so have a fair idea if they maybe infectious or not.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"I can't believe that anyone unvaccinated would go to a club .

Agreed.

It's definitely boring, but there's just no way. (Although if I did, I'd test. Social responsibility and all that jazz)"

Just think of the money you're saving.

Never watched so many documentaries and movies. I am usually out dogging 3 times a week, saving a fortune on coffee and petrol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vaccinated and unvaccinated can both carry the virus. You are at equal risk of infection from both.

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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago

Longridge

"We now have a back to front situation where the vaccinated are more of an infection risk than the unvaccinated.

Oh and by the way, I'm fine, I've had worse colds.

You’re talking nonsense. At an individual level, an unvaccinated person is still more of a risk than a vaccinated/boosted person.

That's simply not true, omicron infection rates are higher among the vaccinated, as are admission rates. So, I'm not sure why you say they are talking nonsense.

And when 100% of people are vaccinated then infection rates will be from all vaccinated

It's not hard to understand the vaccine doesn't prevent you catching it it only reduces the risk of becoming seriously ill that won't apply to all vaccinated with health issues

But if 95% of people are vaccinated and 5 % aren't then it's simple maths that the highest number of infections will be vaccinated

If 100% of the population had covid

95% would be vaccinated 5 % wouldn't

Surely it's not hard to see the more who get vaccinated will always be the higher number

Only one thing to add to this:

There will still be fewer people dying or ending up in hospital even though its vaccinated who are catching and spreading it.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

So let me try to be a bit clearer.

1) You are unvaccinated and took a test immediately before the event. Because you took a test you are PROBABLY not infected, but this is not guaranteed.

2) You are vaccinated. No requirement to take a test, and the vaccine doesn't stop you from being infected so it's possible that you are infected and spreading and you don't know about it.

The point is that vaccination does not prevent you from spreading (and we know that), but the rules for entry to venues are based on the assumption that it does.

Is that clearer?"

It was clear before and you make an excellent case for EVERYONE to get vaccinated so the majority of people will be asymptomatic and life goes on. Well said

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I can't believe that anyone unvaccinated would go to a club .

Agreed.

It's definitely boring, but there's just no way. (Although if I did, I'd test. Social responsibility and all that jazz)"

On my first look I read that as “jizz” - must be missing the naughty fun more than I thought

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By *fweonlymeettwiceMan
over a year ago

Madrid

I don't get it why some countries are making it mandatory for the vaccination from my understanding the vaccination does not stop you from being infected or indeed from passing the virus to others, I thought it just helps you from being hospitalized or being seriously ill so in my opinion there has got to be more to it than we are being told or am I missing something

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over a year ago

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"I don't get it why some countries are making it mandatory for the vaccination from my understanding the vaccination does not stop you from being infected or indeed from passing the virus to others, I thought it just helps you from being hospitalized or being seriously ill so in my opinion there has got to be more to it than we are being told or am I missing something "

You actually said it, and I cant believe you don't understand it ....

Amazing

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By *fweonlymeettwiceMan
over a year ago

Madrid

but surely its personal choice and you Should NOT be forced to have a vaccination if you do not want it, IE mandatory for the work place, travel, entry into venues why??????

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"but surely its personal choice and you Should NOT be forced to have a vaccination if you do not want it, IE mandatory for the work place, travel, entry into venues why?????? "

Nobody in the UK is forced to have it .... NOBODY

Your body your choice ...

Restrictions are there to protect you from catching it and so the NHS can treat other illnesses

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"but surely its personal choice and you Should NOT be forced to have a vaccination if you do not want it, IE mandatory for the work place, travel, entry into venues why?????? "

I agree that it should be personal choice, but with personal choice comes consequences. You have had to have compulsory vaccination to travel for years and some jobs require them as well. Entry to a venue is a choice too.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"but surely its personal choice and you Should NOT be forced to have a vaccination if you do not want it, IE mandatory for the work place, travel, entry into venues why??????

Nobody in the UK is forced to have it .... NOBODY

Your body your choice ...

Restrictions are there to protect you from catching it and so the NHS can treat other illnesses"

Oh come on that first bit is completely twisting everything that has been discussed and debated for the last year or so on its head!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"but surely its personal choice and you Should NOT be forced to have a vaccination if you do not want it, IE mandatory for the work place, travel, entry into venues why??????

And it's a bit beside the point of the OP, which is that testing helps reduce the spread and vaccinated people aren't required to under plan B.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"but surely its personal choice and you Should NOT be forced to have a vaccination if you do not want it, IE mandatory for the work place, travel, entry into venues why??????

So no choice at all then really unless you are prepared to just stay at home?

Shall we also apply that to all the people who have not given up smoking or lost weight these past 18mths? Afterall we KNOW being a smoker or obese dramatically increases the risk of serious symptoms from Covid and hospitalisation. So their choices impact on the NHS too!

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