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"This new variant it's spreading rapidly they don't know how lethal it is and they are not putting us in some kind of lockdown, if it's spreading rapidly and they don't know how dangerous or lethal it is they should put us in some kind of lockdown. The government is a complete moron. " The primary objective of any political party is to stay in power. Enforcing a lock down at this time, without strong evidence to back that decision, would be political suicide and morononic behaviour. Of course, an individual always has the freedom to lock themselves down.  | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way! "Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as. If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7? | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7? "18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used | |||
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" Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as. If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7? "Unfortunately, the long-term damage to the lungs in even those asymptomatically-infected is now well known. To the extent that a CT scan enables clinicians to spot patients that have been infected without the patient knowing at the time. The same can now be said of brain alterations due to asymptomatic infection. The long-term damage to those who have had symptomatic covid, mild to servere, is now becoming clear, and will represent significant costs to both the health services and the general economy. My infection by the virus, early in the pandemic, is now clearly visible in my CT scans and will represent a very significant problem this winter, and will probably reduce my lifespan, as it will do to many millions worldwide. It may well turn-out that nobody recovers completely from this virus. | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7? "Beccause they cant name it afterrthe place it was first found like we have always done incase its seen as racist.... | |||
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"This new variant it's spreading rapidly they don't know how lethal it is and they are not putting us in some kind of lockdown, if it's spreading rapidly and they don't know how dangerous or lethal it is they should put us in some kind of lockdown. The government is a complete moron. " Nothing stops you from doing what is right for you and your own health, don't wait to be told just act for yourself. It's really that simple | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7?
18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used "You would think someone that has all the answers about covid would know that the variants are named after sequential Greek letters. Truly shocking . | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7?
18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used "Nice one Funy how they can invent new varrients to keep control over the public | |||
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"If@@ Funy how they can invent new varrients to keep control over the public " Invent new variants… really Sidebar…. why do you think we need a different flu jab year on year? … | |||
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"Omicron covid variant: Moronic The government is acting like a bunch of morons." Lol like what you did there. This may go viral. | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7? "Or a character from Transformers. | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7?
18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used
You would think someone that has all the answers about covid would know that the variants are named after sequential Greek letters. Truly shocking . "They skipped nu because of similarity to "new" and Xi because it's a common Chinese surname. Fortunately delta to now have been false alarms | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa." Its the unknown of whether it is over riding the vaccines and plunging us straight back to the beginning of high hospitalisation and deaths, more data is required before they can know more of how it will affect us. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa." I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. | |||
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"What do lockdowns actually achieve? Its ok for MPs who earn stupid money, they won't suffer financially, where many will. I've been double jabbed and still had covid earlier this year, and I know many people the same. So what's the point of getting vaxxed? None, in my opinion. There's never been this much fuss over the flu. And, its funny how these variants pop up when holidays are due" Vaccines help stop the severity of the illness and have been shown to cut how infectious you are so there is every need for a vaccine. There hasn't been such a serious flu pandemic since 1918 when we had the Spanish flu which killed in its thousands. Guess what they did? Advised people to wear masks and closed pubs, churches, theatres and other social gatherings. Low and behold it helped to stop the spread. The basics don't change. Cutting the person to person contact and stopping people breathing on each other reduces infection numbers. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. " I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others." I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. " We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility." So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road" Great example of taking an argument ad absurdum here, well done you | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Great example of taking an argument ad absurdum here, well done you "So you want the government to have a role in our lives? Cool. (Nice Latin there, very good) | |||
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"The next Greek letter after delta is epsilon...not omicron! Or did i miss the: epsilon, zeta, eta, theta, iota, kappa, lambda, mu, nu and xi variants?" I think I heard that Lambda was in Brazil. They decided to skip nu and xi | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road" Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! | |||
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"The next Greek letter after delta is epsilon...not omicron! Or did i miss the: epsilon, zeta, eta, theta, iota, kappa, lambda, mu, nu and xi variants?" Yes you did. There have been a bunch of variants that were identified and allocated names from the list, but turned out not to be of particular concern. The same as the beta and gamma variants which came between alpha and delta. The big worry about omicron is how it has spread so incredibly fast that it escaped internationally before they had even got round to giving it a name. This seems to indicate that it is far more "catching" than any of the previous ones. The unknown is whether it is more or less deadly than the previous ones, which we won't know until enough time has gone past to be able to count survivors versus bodies. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled!" It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection. | |||
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"I for one am sick to death of lockdowns, no more!" Aww, come here and I'll give you a hug and make it better. I ain't licking faces though!! | |||
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"This new variant it's spreading rapidly they don't know how lethal it is and they are not putting us in some kind of lockdown, if it's spreading rapidly and they don't know how dangerous or lethal it is they should put us in some kind of lockdown. The government is a complete moron. The primary objective of any political party is to stay in power. Enforcing a lock down at this time, without strong evidence to back that decision, would be political suicide and morononic behaviour. Of course, an individual always has the freedom to lock themselves down. "The government is just a facade, doesn't matter who's supposed to be in power, they're just puppets of big corporations & they're all as bad as one another. As Mark Twain said "if voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it" Look at the world's governments all spouting "build back better" they're all in lockstep with each other. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection." Given the circumstances of this country we have to expect to have higher rates than other nations. The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens both in the short term AND the long term, a rash lockdown based on scare tactics will only cause excessive damage in the long term. There's every likelihood that this new variant will not be any worse or noticeably different to any of the others. | |||
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"This new variant it's spreading rapidly they don't know how lethal it is and they are not putting us in some kind of lockdown, if it's spreading rapidly and they don't know how dangerous or lethal it is they should put us in some kind of lockdown. The government is a complete moron. " You feel free to stay in doors as long as you like. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection. Given the circumstances of this country we have to expect to have higher rates than other nations. The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens both in the short term AND the long term, a rash lockdown based on scare tactics will only cause excessive damage in the long term. There's every likelihood that this new variant will not be any worse or noticeably different to any of the others." What circumstances might those be? I thought we were an island, not bound to the EU to allow freedom of movement, and sovereign to do what we liked with our own borders? You know, factors that could easily lead to infection control and effective quarantine (including isolating import and export)? Earliest vaccine uptake? Seems to me that we should be exceptionally well equipped to have extremely low levels of virus. I haven't argued for lockdown, and it's not a binary between nothing and lockdown. But to say precaution is rash - we're two years into this thing. Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years. Maybe my parents should have asked the doctor to give my immune system the gift of natural immunity while they were busy denying me natural immunity from measles. It'll probably be fine  | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection. Given the circumstances of this country we have to expect to have higher rates than other nations. The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens both in the short term AND the long term, a rash lockdown based on scare tactics will only cause excessive damage in the long term. There's every likelihood that this new variant will not be any worse or noticeably different to any of the others. What circumstances might those be? I thought we were an island, not bound to the EU to allow freedom of movement, and sovereign to do what we liked with our own borders? You know, factors that could easily lead to infection control and effective quarantine (including isolating import and export)? Earliest vaccine uptake? Seems to me that we should be exceptionally well equipped to have extremely low levels of virus. I haven't argued for lockdown, and it's not a binary between nothing and lockdown. But to say precaution is rash - we're two years into this thing. Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years. Maybe my parents should have asked the doctor to give my immune system the gift of natural immunity while they were busy denying me natural immunity from measles. It'll probably be fine ""Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years." The same can also be said for the jab? | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection. Given the circumstances of this country we have to expect to have higher rates than other nations. The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens both in the short term AND the long term, a rash lockdown based on scare tactics will only cause excessive damage in the long term. There's every likelihood that this new variant will not be any worse or noticeably different to any of the others. What circumstances might those be? I thought we were an island, not bound to the EU to allow freedom of movement, and sovereign to do what we liked with our own borders? You know, factors that could easily lead to infection control and effective quarantine (including isolating import and export)? Earliest vaccine uptake? Seems to me that we should be exceptionally well equipped to have extremely low levels of virus. I haven't argued for lockdown, and it's not a binary between nothing and lockdown. But to say precaution is rash - we're two years into this thing. Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years. Maybe my parents should have asked the doctor to give my immune system the gift of natural immunity while they were busy denying me natural immunity from measles. It'll probably be fine
"Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years."
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection. Given the circumstances of this country we have to expect to have higher rates than other nations. The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens both in the short term AND the long term, a rash lockdown based on scare tactics will only cause excessive damage in the long term. There's every likelihood that this new variant will not be any worse or noticeably different to any of the others. What circumstances might those be? I thought we were an island, not bound to the EU to allow freedom of movement, and sovereign to do what we liked with our own borders? You know, factors that could easily lead to infection control and effective quarantine (including isolating import and export)? Earliest vaccine uptake? Seems to me that we should be exceptionally well equipped to have extremely low levels of virus. I haven't argued for lockdown, and it's not a binary between nothing and lockdown. But to say precaution is rash - we're two years into this thing. Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years. Maybe my parents should have asked the doctor to give my immune system the gift of natural immunity while they were busy denying me natural immunity from measles. It'll probably be fine
"Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years."
The same can also be said for the jab? "There is a difference. The vaccines have been designed by man (and really clever people, they're not thickos doing this you know) with the advantage of all the combined knowledge of mankind, specifically to be beneficial not harmful, and then have undergone the most extensive and scrutinised testing of any medical treatment ever. The virus has been honed by evolution to be the best it possibly can at being replicated as fast as it can, regardless of the fact rhat every replication totally destroys cells within your body. The _only_ evolutionary constraint on how deadly the virus can be is that your body has to last long enough to infect the maximum possible number of other people, and in fact the sicker it makes you, the more you cough up bloody bits from it shredding your lungs, the better it is at doing its job of infecting others. Vaccine - designed to keep you well, but yes there is a very small chance (teeny tiny) that it may do minor harm to a small number of individuals. Virus - designed to turn your body cells into copies of itself, without the slightest regard for how much damage it does, and the only way you survive is through a war inside your body, with both virus and immune system trashing your organs while they fight it out. Where even if you apparently win, a sneaky virus may have ways of hiding out when the battle turns against it, slowing down the fight, causing delayed harm. Jab - made by people to keep you alive and well. Virus - made by evolution to keep you ill until you die. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection. Given the circumstances of this country we have to expect to have higher rates than other nations. The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens both in the short term AND the long term, a rash lockdown based on scare tactics will only cause excessive damage in the long term. There's every likelihood that this new variant will not be any worse or noticeably different to any of the others. What circumstances might those be? I thought we were an island, not bound to the EU to allow freedom of movement, and sovereign to do what we liked with our own borders? You know, factors that could easily lead to infection control and effective quarantine (including isolating import and export)? Earliest vaccine uptake? Seems to me that we should be exceptionally well equipped to have extremely low levels of virus. I haven't argued for lockdown, and it's not a binary between nothing and lockdown. But to say precaution is rash - we're two years into this thing. Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years. Maybe my parents should have asked the doctor to give my immune system the gift of natural immunity while they were busy denying me natural immunity from measles. It'll probably be fine "Circumstances like having a high population density, lots of multiple occupancy households, lots of multi generation households a chilly climate, low vitamin D levels, high obesity etc etc. -- I personally have no issue with the new face covering mandate, I just have a bad feeling that by accepting them we give assent to unnecessary measure later on. | |||
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"I still don't see what people are panicking so much over, it's still the same basic disease. I do understand the need for vigilance but some people seem to be almost willing this thing to be bad. We all knew there would be new variants and mutations but we can't keep resorting to hiding behind the sofa. I think you're the only one who mentioned hiding behind the sofa. Risk management is part of life. This has signs it might be bad (groups of mutations). I apply the precautionary principle to myself and those around me as best I can, until I find out more. I agree with risk management and being sensible. I just use the term "hiding behind the sofa" because it seems to be like there are people almost willing the government into imposing lockdowns at the merest hint of danger without considering the full impact and implications such damaging policies have on others. I've given up on the government giving a damn about either economic loss or health consequences. I'm fortunate to be able to protect myself. We shouldn't be reliant on being spoon fed by the govt or "the science" people need act like responsible adults and take some personal responsibility. So... what is the government for, if not to make laws for the good order and running of a country? How far would you like to take this personal responsibility thing? Health and safety laws are for pussies and kids these days are too coddled. We'd make heaps of money if we employed toddlers to stick their teeny tiny hands into machinery Abolish driving licenses, let anyone drive however they want with their property. Some people like to drive on the right side of the road Well I quite like the idea of being able to drive my car wherever I so choose! Although, seriously, there is a difference between having sensible laws and measures and going full Nanny State. Also regarding the different variants, I really doubt many people would notice the difference if it wasn't constantly drummed into us by the media. And yes, kids today are far too Mollycoddled! It'd be fascinating to see how you define "sensible" versus "nanny state" laws. Personally, given the amount of misinformation and potential long term disease burden (known medium term), I think it's very much the purview of the state to protect the health of its members and work force. We can see pretty clearly that common sense isn't cutting it, given that we have such high rates of infection. Given the circumstances of this country we have to expect to have higher rates than other nations. The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens both in the short term AND the long term, a rash lockdown based on scare tactics will only cause excessive damage in the long term. There's every likelihood that this new variant will not be any worse or noticeably different to any of the others. What circumstances might those be? I thought we were an island, not bound to the EU to allow freedom of movement, and sovereign to do what we liked with our own borders? You know, factors that could easily lead to infection control and effective quarantine (including isolating import and export)? Earliest vaccine uptake? Seems to me that we should be exceptionally well equipped to have extremely low levels of virus. I haven't argued for lockdown, and it's not a binary between nothing and lockdown. But to say precaution is rash - we're two years into this thing. Unknown effects of viruses can pop up decades later. HIV is pretty mild for about five years. Maybe my parents should have asked the doctor to give my immune system the gift of natural immunity while they were busy denying me natural immunity from measles. It'll probably be fine
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We largely have a heads up about the areas of genetic change, much more than any illness details.
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"Omicron covid variant: Moronic The government is acting like a bunch of morons. Lol like what you did there. This may go viral." Haha...loving the play on words here. It's catching! | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7?
18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used
You would think someone that has all the answers about covid would know that the variants are named after sequential Greek letters. Truly shocking . "14th known and named mutation to date. If we panicked after every one we’d be permanently shaking like shitting dogs through fear. Let’s see some science, then follow it. Meanwhile if you’re worried, stay home or wear a mask without being told to. | |||
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"CEO of Moderna has said that their vaccine is less effective against the new variant. Hopefully the other manufacturers will have statements claiming their's are still effective. " Less effective, not ineffective, and work is already being done. | |||
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"https://www.firstpost.com/health/moderna-ceo-says-vaccines-likely-no-match-for-omicron-variant-stock-markets-sink-on-comment-10176081.html It sounds a bit more worrying than less effective" Yes. Personally - I don't think panic is necessary yet. Mitigate and step up mitigations, but that is the right thing to do regardless. (Not saying anyone should feel as I do, just that's my take) | |||
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"CEO of Moderna has said that their vaccine is less effective against the new variant. Hopefully the other manufacturers will have statements claiming their's are still effective. " Just the CEO covering their ass | |||
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"This new variant it's spreading rapidly they don't know how lethal it is and they are not putting us in some kind of lockdown, if it's spreading rapidly and they don't know how dangerous or lethal it is they should put us in some kind of lockdown. The government is a complete moron. " Yawn here we go again, it's all becoming like a stuck record, rope under a door etc etc. Get on with your life, and stop wallowing in despair. Life is for living not living in fear | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist!" Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years. | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist! Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years." Agreed. Ignore. And just get on with your lives. Nearly two years of this nonsense. I’m done. | |||
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"https://www.firstpost.com/health/moderna-ceo-says-vaccines-likely-no-match-for-omicron-variant-stock-markets-sink-on-comment-10176081.html It sounds a bit more worrying than less effective" Only for shareholders … gutting right? | |||
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"Steady on op.... Lethal? Who said that. From what I've read mild symptoms have been the main issue. Let's calm down and breath before hitting the panic button. We should close the borders, and stop people travelling and assess for a couple of weeks. That's my suggestion. " Far too sensible, it will never catch on! | |||
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"So basically the government is busy trying to convince people who haven't been vaccinated that the vaccines work, but also those who have been vaccinated that they don't work very well so they need to keep coming back for third and fourth booster shots, but also that the new Omicron Strain gets round existing vaccines anyway, so everyone needs to go back into lockdown. Makes perfect sense. " In a nutshell... | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist! Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years. Agreed. Ignore. And just get on with your lives. Nearly two years of this nonsense. I’m done. " Nonsense? Just which bit of “this” are you saying is nonsense? Honestly, the more time goes on the more of our society reveal themselves as having less intellect than my dog | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist! Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years. Agreed. Ignore. And just get on with your lives. Nearly two years of this nonsense. I’m done. Nonsense? Just which bit of “this” are you saying is nonsense? Honestly, the more time goes on the more of our society reveal themselves as having less intellect than my dog "If you haven’t noticed the ever moving goalposts, and the completely contradictory rules, then perhaps you have less intellect than your dog. Fast forward 12 months and we’ll still be here… it’s not ending. So either get on with your life like most people, or just carry on in this perpetual state of covid being at the forefront of your life. Each to their own, but most are just getting on with stuff now. Gigs, sport, seeing family and friends, pubs, cinema, whatever your hobbies. If there are Xmas restrictions this year, they’ll be widely ignored. | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist! Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years. Agreed. Ignore. And just get on with your lives. Nearly two years of this nonsense. I’m done. Nonsense? Just which bit of “this” are you saying is nonsense? Honestly, the more time goes on the more of our society reveal themselves as having less intellect than my dog "An hour ago this new variant had infected 14 people in the UK. The UK has a population of 66,000,000. 66 million as opposed to 14 infected. In Africa, where it originated, allegedly, there have been no hospitalisations and no deaths. Yeah, let's all panic and raise the drawbridge. Frank | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist! Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years. Agreed. Ignore. And just get on with your lives. Nearly two years of this nonsense. I’m done. Nonsense? Just which bit of “this” are you saying is nonsense? Honestly, the more time goes on the more of our society reveal themselves as having less intellect than my dog
An hour ago this new variant had infected 14 people in the UK. The UK has a population of 66,000,000. 66 million as opposed to 14 infected.
In Africa, where it originated, allegedly, there have been no hospitalisations and no deaths.
Yeah, let's all panic and raise the drawbridge.
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" Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as. As 1,300 dead people in the UK last week alone didn't say. " Similar numbers to how many die per week from sepsis. It’s not even the highest cause of death is it. What percentage of those 1300 people would have died anyway ? There’s people dieing who would have died anyway but if they had covid within 28 days it goes in the daily covid figures. The numbers dieing are actually very small in the scale of things. We will carry on living our life thanks. | |||
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" Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as. As 1,300 dead people in the UK last week alone didn't say. Similar numbers to how many die per week from sepsis. It’s not even the highest cause of death is it. What percentage of those 1300 people would have died anyway ? There’s people dieing who would have died anyway but if they had covid within 28 days it goes in the daily covid figures. The numbers dieing are actually very small in the scale of things. We will carry on living our life thanks. " Correct. If people knew the flu and pneumonia figures every month for the last 50 years I don’t think they’d ever leave their house. | |||
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"Here is an interesting fact about the name of the variant, it have the same name as a movie that was made in 1963, strange how similar the names are." Odd that Greek letters are used for lots of things. Very strange. | |||
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"Here is an interesting fact about the name of the variant, it have the same name as a movie that was made in 1963, strange how similar the names are." Are you suggesting a film name or plot has anything to do with the pandemic? | |||
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"Here is an interesting fact about the name of the variant, it have the same name as a movie that was made in 1963, strange how similar the names are. Are you suggesting a film name or plot has anything to do with the pandemic?" No not at all. I dont know what or if there is a connection, or just a coincidence with it. | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist! Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years. Agreed. Ignore. And just get on with your lives. Nearly two years of this nonsense. I’m done. Nonsense? Just which bit of “this” are you saying is nonsense? Honestly, the more time goes on the more of our society reveal themselves as having less intellect than my dog
If you haven’t noticed the ever moving goalposts, and the completely contradictory rules, then perhaps you have less intellect than your dog.
Fast forward 12 months and we’ll still be here… it’s not ending. So either get on with your life like most people, or just carry on in this perpetual state of covid being at the forefront of your life.
Each to their own, but most are just getting on with stuff now. Gigs, sport, seeing family and friends, pubs, cinema, whatever your hobbies.
If there are Xmas restrictions this year, they’ll be widely ignored."I am getting on with stuff. I do expect to catch it eventually, few will evade it forever anymore than we can always evade flu and I know firsthand flu really sucks! We shouldn’t need additional restrictions at Xmas but if the unfortunate case is that hospital numbers start shooting up again the option needs to be on the table. I don’t want any more restrictions but I do understand the difference they can make. Dickheads who think their google degree means they know better than those who have spent their entire lives studying these topics need a good slap with a wet fish. | |||
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"No more for us, followed the rules enough. Crack on with normal life Here here!! Sensible people do exist! Yep. Most people are getting on with life. This forum is frankly bizarre in the number of people that covid has totally consumed their life and decision making. They’ll still be the same in 5 years. Agreed. Ignore. And just get on with your lives. Nearly two years of this nonsense. I’m done. Nonsense? Just which bit of “this” are you saying is nonsense? Honestly, the more time goes on the more of our society reveal themselves as having less intellect than my dog
An hour ago this new variant had infected 14 people in the UK. The UK has a population of 66,000,000. 66 million as opposed to 14 infected.
In Africa, where it originated, allegedly, there have been no hospitalisations and no deaths.
Yeah, let's all panic and raise the drawbridge.
Frank"No need to panic and no panic in sight. Masks for shops and transport is certainly not panic and pulling up the drawbridge. | |||
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"Here is an interesting fact about the name of the variant, it have the same name as a movie that was made in 1963, strange how similar the names are. Are you suggesting a film name or plot has anything to do with the pandemic?No not at all. I dont know what or if there is a connection, or just a coincidence with it. " Why would there be a connection? | |||
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"Here is an interesting fact about the name of the variant, it have the same name as a movie that was made in 1963, strange how similar the names are. Are you suggesting a film name or plot has anything to do with the pandemic?No not at all. I dont know what or if there is a connection, or just a coincidence with it. " Shag, it's just a letter of the greek alphabet. It's literally just the letter 'o'. | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7?
18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used
You would think someone that has all the answers about covid would know that the variants are named after sequential Greek letters. Truly shocking .
14th known and named mutation to date. If we panicked after every one we’d be permanently shaking like shitting dogs through fear. Let’s see some science, then follow it. Meanwhile if you’re worried, stay home or wear a mask without being told to."No there’s been 1000s of mutations, it’s when there’s a new variant it’s given a name. And people just can’t stay at home if they are worried. | |||
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"This new variant it's spreading rapidly they don't know how lethal it is and they are not putting us in some kind of lockdown, if it's spreading rapidly and they don't know how dangerous or lethal it is they should put us in some kind of lockdown. The government is a complete moron. " Maybe so but the Delta variant is still the dominant strain. No point in panic when every new variant appears | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7?
18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used
You would think someone that has all the answers about covid would know that the variants are named after sequential Greek letters. Truly shocking . "Except that the next Greek letter in the alphabet is 'Xi' which they bottled as they didn't want to upset the Chinese leader who has that name! | |||
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"Maybe so but the Delta variant is still the dominant strain. No point in panic when every new variant appears" Govt policy is to try upon vaccinations. Omicron has a mutation which suggests vaccines may be less effective against it. If this leads to a sharp rise in hospitalisations then the NHS would be unable to cope, which will impact ALL healthcare. Strokes, heart attacks, cancer treatments. They’ve been hoping for herd immunity through vaccination and infection, but this one is sufficiently different that you can *probably* still catch it and become seriously ill. | |||
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"If they put us back in lockdown there will be public out cry. People just don’t see how dangerous this virus is UNTIL THEY GET IT! If they don’t put us in lock people will spread it…. Then we will be put into forced lockdown!! It doesn’t bode well either way!
Still, for the vast majority, it remains a mild or even asymptomatic infection. Hardly the deadly killer it's portrayed as.
If they want us to take this new variant seriously then why on earth give it a name that sounds like it came from Blake's 7?
18 months in and still doesn’t realise that the next letter of the Greek alphabet has been used
You would think someone that has all the answers about covid would know that the variants are named after sequential Greek letters. Truly shocking . Except that the next Greek letter in the alphabet is 'Xi' which they bottled as they didn't want to upset the Chinese leader who has that name!"They began to name variants after Greek letters rather than places to avoid stigma (eg Spanish flu - apparently first reported in Spain due to more free media, first detected in USA, but the Spanish were blamed for a long time) - avoiding a Chinese surname is entirely logical, even where it's also a Greek letter. | |||
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"What I dont get is, the BBC published an article about how it takes weeks to test and determine the variant in labs. So how did we know within hours/days which countries omicron had spread to? I know theres ways to track down who some people have infected, but theres no way to track the new variant to every single person." Full genome sequencing would pick a variant straight away. Once you know what you are looking for you can tweak the PCR test and it can be picked up there. | |||
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"What I dont get is, the BBC published an article about how it takes weeks to test and determine the variant in labs. So how did we know within hours/days which countries omicron had spread to? I know theres ways to track down who some people have infected, but theres no way to track the new variant to every single person. Full genome sequencing would pick a variant straight away. Once you know what you are looking for you can tweak the PCR test and it can be picked up there. " Ok fair enough. But in the article is says that to confirm a suspected omicron case, it requires a full genetic analysis that takes weeks. Are we just speculating omicron cases at the moment, in the UK anyway? | |||
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"What I dont get is, the BBC published an article about how it takes weeks to test and determine the variant in labs. So how did we know within hours/days which countries omicron had spread to? I know theres ways to track down who some people have infected, but theres no way to track the new variant to every single person. Full genome sequencing would pick a variant straight away. Once you know what you are looking for you can tweak the PCR test and it can be picked up there. Ok fair enough. But in the article is says that to confirm a suspected omicron case, it requires a full genetic analysis that takes weeks. Are we just speculating omicron cases at the moment, in the UK anyway? " If you know what you are looking for it's a lot quicker. All the omicron cases will be confirmed cases I would presume. | |||
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"Well, just saw an interview with Andrew Marr with a top South African Virologist currently working with the Omicron variant in a lab. Omicron is more transmissible, however symptoms are more mild. But here’s the interesting bit, there is less, get this, less than 1% chance of reinfection if you’ve already had C19. Let’s see if that gets more publicity…..or not. S&S " All that calculated on a very small dataset ... Amazing | |||
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"Well, just saw an interview with Andrew Marr with a top South African Virologist currently working with the Omicron variant in a lab. Omicron is more transmissible, however symptoms are more mild. But here’s the interesting bit, there is less, get this, less than 1% chance of reinfection if you’ve already had C19. Let’s see if that gets more publicity…..or not. S&S All that calculated on a very small dataset ... Amazing" will have to watch Marr as this doesn't seem to square with other info I've seen ... Nor BBC's own articles ! | |||
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"Well, just saw an interview with Andrew Marr with a top South African Virologist currently working with the Omicron variant in a lab. Omicron is more transmissible, however symptoms are more mild. But here’s the interesting bit, there is less, get this, less than 1% chance of reinfection if you’ve already had C19. Let’s see if that gets more publicity…..or not. S&S " I'm seeing these claims spread pretty widely - alongside things like huge increase in paediatric hospitalisation in the area, and significant chance of immune escape. I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. | |||
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"Well, just saw an interview with Andrew Marr with a top South African Virologist currently working with the Omicron variant in a lab. Omicron is more transmissible, however symptoms are more mild. But here’s the interesting bit, there is less, get this, less than 1% chance of reinfection if you’ve already had C19. Let’s see if that gets more publicity…..or not. S&S " An interview isn't published research though, it's little different to hearsay, in its weight. It's still too early for us to have a solid understanding of this new variant and how it may affect the country as well as others. | |||
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"This new variant it's spreading rapidly they don't know how lethal it is and they are not putting us in some kind of lockdown, if it's spreading rapidly and they don't know how dangerous or lethal it is they should put us in some kind of lockdown. The government is a complete moron. " Government measure not enough lock yourself down | |||
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