FabSwingers.com forum: Benafits outweigh risks

By *irtyold man OP Man
over a year ago

barnsley

Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas"

I don't even want to think about it as I have had the Astra Zeneca vaccine...

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas"

Yes ....

The chances of blood clots are far far lower than the chances of life being affected immeasurably by covid should we not achieve herd immunity by vaccine or infection.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas

I don't even want to think about it as I have had the Astra Zeneca vaccine...

The clots happen quite soon and I don’t know anyone who have had issues and I know loads who have had Oxford x

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's accurate.

The risks of serious illness if you contract Covid are small but not non existent. The figure of 1 in 1000 dying gets thrown around, and the number who develop medium to long term complications is higher.

The risks of vaccination are tiny but not non existent. Apparently in Germany the Oxford AZ vaccine has caused blood clots in 1 in 87000 people.

Do you want 1 in 1000 risk of death and higher risk of other complications, or 1 in 87000 risk of a serious side effect?

Or, do you want Russian roulette with 1 in 1000 chance of being shot, or 1 in 87 000 risk of being shot?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's also like putting the bullet in a revolver with several million empty barrels...

Also..about 2000 people die in the UK each year to complications caused by ibuprofen...there's always a risk

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's also like putting the bullet in a revolver with several million empty barrels...

Also..about 2000 people die in the UK each year to complications caused by ibuprofen...there's always a risk "

Yes. People are terrible at assessing risk.

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By * AND R 777Couple
over a year ago

Teesside

There has only been 40 cases of clots (and them people mite have got them anyway) but millions of vaccines been given so its hardly Russia roulette

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Statistically, the chance of blood-clots after receiving the vaccines, is actually marginally lower than the chance of blood-clots for those who haven't been vaccinated.

So based on the statistics, the vaccines actually reduce the liklihood of blood-clots.

Cal

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By *anTouchThisCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeen

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Statistically, the chance of blood-clots after receiving the vaccines, is actually marginally lower than the chance of blood-clots for those who haven't been vaccinated.

So based on the statistics, the vaccines actually reduce the liklihood of blood-clots.

Cal"

Apparently on some European data - I just watched something on it - most of the clots are in women, and it could be relayed to the pill.

Which many of us take with no thought...

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By *eliciousladyWoman
over a year ago

Sometimes U.K

A ridiculous argument OP

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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago

lancaster

Out if 69 million 100,000 died of covid

Out of 18 million Az 30 died of clots

I’ve had the AZ

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By *ighugs69Man
over a year ago

Port Talbot

Had my 1st Oxford jab on Thursday. A few mildly unpleasant side effects. But I'm still here so it was worth it

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

this is always the case with everything.

Tbh so far the risk is to multiple decimal places against amount that have been vax'd.

what is it like 34m vax'd and 6 died. incredibly low percentage of people affected.

Long term we have no idea yet as you simply cannot fast track time scales of months/years although I believe these vaccine have been adapted from existed ones so that risk SHOULD be low, but we don't know.

and as we know from general Pharma which takes the recipes from nature (penicillin from mould, altitude sickness pills/adhd from coca plant, morphine from poppies etc) we create side effects and require more pills to combat the side effects when replicating these as we do not know every element or component that goes into the creation of that element in a natural setting.

which is where people's caution is coming into play (along with knowledge of cover ups/legal immunity offered and big pharma being there for profit.)

We are still learning so much. often part of the above is because the root cause is not being addressed as it is unknown it's merely mitigating the symptoms, some cases of course cannot be solved even if root cause is found, they are just how they are.

so far stats look very good and providing they remain this way and have no or very few long term effects I think we're all good for those who want to have it.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Think if we took your statement a bit further we could argue is it worth the risk just living as so many horrible things could happen to you before you die a natural death, why bother even going on.

You are at a more greater risk if you smoke, if you are overweight, if you have a bad diet, if you don't exercise if you are unhappy.

We could almost ban everything.

I haven't had a bad year, worked right through, been an eye opener though and have seen the best and the worst in people. That's always been the way but Covid has accentuated it.

Not long now.

Once the draw bridge comes down we can all flood out, or will we.

I'm finding the thought of being in a crowded pub quite daunting, what was once normal pushing and shoving around the bar area is now a bit scarey, anyone the same?

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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?"

Why would that be helpful, seeing as anyone can die at any point, of anything?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seven possible but not confirmed blood clots in 30,000,000 are odds that I am happy with I I am not a gambler!

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By *irtyold man OP Man
over a year ago

barnsley

I heard an interview with the german sciense minister last week on the wold service saying that nine have died of strokes after having the jab in germany

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I heard an interview with the german sciense minister last week on the wold service saying that nine have died of strokes after having the jab in germany"

Out of how many who've been vaccinated?

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

If we all didn't medicate because of the listed side affects there would be a lot more deaths from simple infections for example

Paracetamol has risks involved and how many of us take that

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas"

Everything you put in your body has risks and consequences. Nurofen, paracetamol, vigamins... Its good to understand the risks in medicines.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

No link between vaccine and blood clots has been found to date, as between 2-16 people per million people develop blood clots anyway i would have thought its only logical the more people vaccinated the more will people they will find with them that have been vaccinated. Personally until they (if ever) discover a link i will follow the logic and not worry about it.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Theirs evidence that some people have immunity to the virus but just like Russian roulette how would you know if you are one of those people but same time having the vaccine would just give you a added boost the many questions we never know if those had other health conditions or taking any other medications but number of those who have been vaccinated plus those who had an allergic reaction and those who had clots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas"

A one in six chance of getting the bullet in the head is 16.66%, the percentage of those who have died after having the vaccine with a possible link to said vaccine is several magnitudes less than 16.66%

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"If we all didn't medicate because of the listed side affects there would be a lot more deaths from simple infections for example

Paracetamol has risks involved and how many of us take that"

Paracetamol has been banned in USA as they say it has a connection to cause cancer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard an interview with the german sciense minister last week on the wold service saying that nine have died of strokes after having the jab in germany"

It’s quite likely that a few people have crashed their cars since having the vaccine.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I heard an interview with the german sciense minister last week on the wold service saying that nine have died of strokes after having the jab in germany

It’s quite likely that a few people have crashed their cars since having the vaccine."
Or had toothache

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If we all didn't medicate because of the listed side affects there would be a lot more deaths from simple infections for example

Paracetamol has risks involved and how many of us take that

Paracetamol has been banned in USA as they say it has a connection to cause cancer"

It's known as acetaminophen there and is widely available

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By *andlingswingersCouple
over a year ago

Woodbridge

"Apparently in Germany the Oxford AZ vaccine has caused blood clots in 1 in 87000 people...."

Except it hasn't. 1 in 87,000 people who have been vaccinated has developed blood clots. In the UK, 30 people have developed blood clots. Out of 18,000,000 who have been injected.

That's a 0.00016% chance of getting blood clots after an injection. Except there is NO established causal link between having the injection and having a blood clot, because Covid-19 kills you by .... oh yes, blood clots. Pulmonary embolism. Coronary thrombosis. Stroke. Those are all blood clots.

I'd put money on more than 30 people out of 18,000,000 falling off a ladder after they had an injection.

Russian roulette is not having the injection. It's also about being a selfish prick, insisting on your inalienable right to spread an infectious disease to everybody else because you can't be bothered to use a calculator nor to work out the difference between 'happened after X' and 'happened because of X.'

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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago

lancaster

If we had no vaccinations more would die if covid

I don’t think any medication is risk free but it’s better than the alternative of letting covid run free

Is there any reason u think you would be high risk from vaccine

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"If we all didn't medicate because of the listed side affects there would be a lot more deaths from simple infections for example

Paracetamol has risks involved and how many of us take that

Paracetamol has been banned in USA as they say it has a connection to cause cancer"

Paracetamol has not been banned in the USA. It's called acetaminophen there. They've stopped using talcum powder.....

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Apparently in Germany the Oxford AZ vaccine has caused blood clots in 1 in 87000 people....

Except it hasn't. 1 in 87,000 people who have been vaccinated has developed blood clots. In the UK, 30 people have developed blood clots. Out of 18,000,000 who have been injected.

I'd put money on more than 30 people out of 18,000,000 falling off a ladder after they had an injection.

Apologies, I misspoke.

After vaccination, that's the odds. We don't know if it's causal.

It's still much better odds than Covid.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas"
you do realise that the number of people that have developed blood clots after hacinf the vaccine, is less than those in the normal population that develop them...

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I heard an interview with the german sciense minister last week on the wold service saying that nine have died of strokes after having the jab in germany"

R U a paruddy account?

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

People are forgetting even after having the vaccine you can still spread the virus it only gives you a little bit of immunity but enough to keep you alive and treated with less pressure on the NHS but having sex without a condom would be a greater Risk to catching an sti or even AIds which their isn't a cure for...

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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago

middle earth

I was seeing that you have a higher change of getting blood clots from hormonal contraception, couldn't care less

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"People are forgetting even after having the vaccine you can still spread the virus it only gives you a little bit of immunity but enough to keep you alive and treated with less pressure on the NHS but having sex without a condom would be a greater Risk to catching an sti or even AIds which their isn't a cure for..."

Fortunately the evidence is suggesting that this isn't the case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

60++% is not a little bit of immunity ??

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I am very confused OP !

Stats are not my strong point, but the number of deaths related to blood clots and the vaccine are surely not one in six like you are suggesting with the revolver analogy ?

As i said stats are not my forte, but if your analogy were correct surely one sixth of the people taking the vaccine would have died from blood clots.

i had the vaccine 3 weeks ago and so far i am still here, I have three elderly relatives all in their 80s all have had one shot, two of those have had their two; I would be very worried about being the sixth jab, but then if everyone had a one in six chance of dying, (using a different gun clearly) then perhaps no one would or everyone would. If i understand the analogy correctly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I heard an interview with the german sciense minister last week on the wold service saying that nine have died of strokes after having the jab in germany"
4 died from a car crash as well

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By *endulum 20Couple
over a year ago

sandy

there are possible side effects with all medicines/vaccines hence the leaflet tucked inside the package telling you of possible side effects

blood clots are common with the contraceptive pill but there doesnt seem to be too much noise being made about that

ive had the vaccine and glad i have as i hope we can get our lives back sooner rather than later

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The number is so small it’s better than taking your chances with the corona virus. I’ve had my first jab due to being pre diabetic. Looking forward to the second.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"there are possible side effects with all medicines/vaccines hence the leaflet tucked inside the package telling you of possible side effects

blood clots are common with the contraceptive pill but there doesnt seem to be too much noise being made about that

ive had the vaccine and glad i have as i hope we can get our lives back sooner rather than later

There's often a contradiction - most risks we just accept, because that's life. The teeny tiny risks which might or might not exist with vaccination are unacceptable, even if the risks of the disease are significantly greater.

It's rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas

I don't even want to think about it as I have had the Astra Zeneca vaccine...

So have I and I'm fine it's a very small risk I wouldn't worry

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"If we all didn't medicate because of the listed side affects there would be a lot more deaths from simple infections for example

Paracetamol has risks involved and how many of us take that

Paracetamol has been banned in USA as they say it has a connection to cause cancer

Paracetamol has not been banned in the USA. It's called acetaminophen there. They've stopped using talcum powder....."

But not guns.... Just saying. Fucking talc is lethal.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

The People you quote are thankfully more intelligent and considered than that. If it only give a little protection how do you explain the infections plumetting, the hospitalisations plumetting and the deaths plumetting in this country, compared to the rest of Europe where they are sadly currently increasing? What is your considered opinion?

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By *oroRick1027Man
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

"Out if 69 million 100,000 died of covid

Out of 18 million Az 30 died of clots

I’ve had the AZ "

Correction, 30 cases only 7 deaths

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

60++% is not a little bit of immunity ??"

Little bit more than what a person had to begin with a percentage

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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

If you're under 40, more chance of being killed by car accident then covid especially without underlying conditions ...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"If you're under 40, more chance of being killed by car accident then covid especially without underlying conditions ... "

And long Covid? Fancy that at all?

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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

"If you're under 40, more chance of being killed by car accident then covid especially without underlying conditions ...

And long Covid? Fancy that at all? "

Long term injury from a car crash? Which is more likely...

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Has anyone considered this simple fact

If I contract covid, and it kills me I might take others with me that I have unknowingly infected.

if I have the vaccine and that kills me; I am not going to affect anyone else !

I am not suggesting that is my rational of getting jabbed, but it is true !

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"If you're under 40, more chance of being killed by car accident then covid especially without underlying conditions ... "
but you could still catch it and pass it to someone and actually the last mutation saw much younger people being affected. The vaccine does not just protect you.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Youre thoughts pleas .

The gove say the benafits outweigh the risks with the side efects of blood clots.lets examin this statment.

If i play russian roulet the benafits outweigh the risks as a six shot revolver with only one bullet in it give you five chanses to live and one to die.

So are the gov telling us all to go play russian roulet because the benafits outweigh the risk

Youre opinions pleas"

It’s like this. Unlike Russian Roulette this game game has 2 guns. Now you can either pick up the gun with one round in 100,000 chambers or someone else can point the other gun at you, one that has 1 round in 1000 chambers.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"If you're under 40, more chance of being killed by car accident then covid especially without underlying conditions ...

And long Covid? Fancy that at all?

Long term injury from a car crash? Which is more likely..."

I have no idea whether being involved in an RTC is more likely than catching Covid. However around 1 in 7 people who have had Covid, even mildly, still have symptoms three months after. That's very high.

By the way, my FWB was in an RTC. He lost his left leg below the knee. I'm confident that if he'd been able to prevent the accident, he'd have moved heaven and earth to do so. It's pretty shit becoming an amputee when you're 23

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face it. We don't know the long term effects of either vaccine or virus.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you're under 40, more chance of being killed by car accident then covid especially without underlying conditions ... but you could still catch it and pass it to someone and actually the last mutation saw much younger people being affected. The vaccine does not just protect you. "

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?"

Not sure others are responsible for your learning. You'll be able to work that out for yourself. My 18 year old son has managed to work it out.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Let's face it. We don't know the long term effects of either vaccine or virus. "

We know the long term effects of the virus it's death but possiblity to survive after treatment like people were before the vaccine but the vaccine like years ago had long term illnesses so if a person isolated was careful and acted responsible would be safer has been said people can also be immune to the virus which is something I had said weeks ago now people on the news are saying that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?

Not sure others are responsible for your learning. You'll be able to work that out for yourself. My 18 year old son has managed to work it out. "

Not sure what you mean to be honest. I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu. You are making no sense. What's your 18 year old son got to do with anything?

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

Wait till you find out all that alcohol & processed food most channel into their bodies every day has no benefit, and only risks :o

Blood clots? There's less in the vaccine taking population than in non-vaccinated samples.

Benefits far out weight the risks, for both yourself and others. Unless you're in groups where they do outline slightly more of a risk, it's safe.

Medical councils all over the world, each with differing regulatory requirements have passed the vaccines. I'll back the scientific advice over tin-foil wearing Tony who hasn't done any research but thinks he knows best :P

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?

Not sure others are responsible for your learning. You'll be able to work that out for yourself. My 18 year old son has managed to work it out.

If you’re choosing to have a family in the future at 42 I would think there would be more issues involved in protecting the health and well-being of that unborn child than a covid vaccination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?

Not sure others are responsible for your learning. You'll be able to work that out for yourself. My 18 year old son has managed to work it out.

If you’re choosing to have a family in the future at 42 I would think there would be more issues involved in protecting the health and well-being of that unborn child than a covid vaccination. "

So kind. Thanks

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?

Not sure others are responsible for your learning. You'll be able to work that out for yourself. My 18 year old son has managed to work it out.

If you’re choosing to have a family in the future at 42 I would think there would be more issues involved in protecting the health and well-being of that unborn child than a covid vaccination.

So kind. Thanks"

It’s not unkind it’s very true when conceiving over the age of 40 there are lots and lots of implications.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

15million odd doses.. 50 odd cases of blood clots.

Dont do what i did. Develop blood clot before the vaccine. I have no one or thing to blame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?

Not sure others are responsible for your learning. You'll be able to work that out for yourself. My 18 year old son has managed to work it out.

If you’re choosing to have a family in the future at 42 I would think there would be more issues involved in protecting the health and well-being of that unborn child than a covid vaccination.

So kind. Thanks

It’s not unkind it’s very true when conceiving over the age of 40 there are lots and lots of implications. "

And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

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By *xperience huntingMan
over a year ago

where

In fairness OP you’re here attempting to meet people who are extremely sexually active! The chance of you catching something is increased by a lot! But your here because the benefits outweigh the risk!

Same same

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu. "

So you don't think its everyone's responsibility to help protect each other then?? And no one really knows who is vulnerable and who isn't.... and wouldn't you want to protect your potential unborn children?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

But the older/ vulnerable are having the vaccine... why should I potentially risk my unborn children to save the old and vulnerable who have already protected themselves?

Not sure others are responsible for your learning. You'll be able to work that out for yourself. My 18 year old son has managed to work it out.

If you’re choosing to have a family in the future at 42 I would think there would be more issues involved in protecting the health and well-being of that unborn child than a covid vaccination.

So kind. Thanks

It’s not unkind it’s very true when conceiving over the age of 40 there are lots and lots of implications.

And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks. "

Probably wise and I would do the same thing .... good luck to you xx

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"It’s not unkind it’s very true when conceiving over the age of 40 there are lots and lots of implications. "

This is true. The poster wasn't criticising you for making this choice btw, just explaining that it's a choice that actually has far more or a risky outcome than the vaccine you're in about.

If you're happy to do the riskier one, why not the lower-risk, multi-country regulatory body passed option?

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks. "

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy?

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over a year ago

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

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over a year ago

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? "
Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything"

I won't say it's wrong, but that's a very strange option given the other arguments you've raised RE: Pregnancy.

For one, you'll be unvaccinated and thus more likely to catch it still in future, and the both you and your vulnerable child have no protection. Again, not dating you don't care about their safety given you're postponing - but after they're born getting jabbed up will be far, far more beneficial for you and your child (even if its only you that has it, and not your child).

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"In fairness OP you’re here attempting to meet people who are extremely sexually active! The chance of you catching something is increased by a lot! But your here because the benefits outweigh the risk!

Same same "

I saw a profile earlier saying something like... "only doing soft swap currently, not full, because of covid" ...!! The mind boggles...

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything"

Being forced isn't being bullied? You know there's a third option of it being safe and responsible you know... Your friends mum on Facebook isn't a credible source.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Same same

I saw a profile earlier saying something like... "only doing soft swap currently, not full, because of covid" ...!! The mind boggles... "

Oh for the love of God

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else?"
because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything

I won't say it's wrong, but that's a very strange option given the other arguments you've raised RE: Pregnancy.

Assuming that the vaccination is safe of course. Children really don't seem to be dying from this virus... when they are I'll reconsider my choices. At the moment I still have one although the forum seems to think that bullying people into having a vaccine is acceptable.

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over a year ago

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine "

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything

I won't say it's wrong, but that's a very strange option given the other arguments you've raised RE: Pregnancy.

Bullied into wearing seat belts

Bullied into paying taxes

Bullied into using printed currency

Bullied into educating children

Bullied into using socialised health care

Bullied into not murdering people

Where will it end?

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?"

Maybe you're walking past her in the street whilst you cough... Who knows...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything

I won't say it's wrong, but that's a very strange option given the other arguments you've raised RE: Pregnancy.

Bullied into wearing seat belts

Bullied into paying taxes

Bullied into using printed currency

Bullied into educating children

Bullied into using socialised health care

Bullied into not murdering people

Where will it end? "

I wonder why so many are so willing to accept it is safe and for our best interests.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?"

If I was in your position I wouldn’t be having it until after giving birth, at the earliest, there is not enough information available on it for me. Good luck with it

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-women-of-childbearing-age-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?

Maybe you're walking past her in the street whilst you cough... Who knows...? "

If her daughter is that vulnerable she should protect her. Not me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out if 69 million 100,000 died of covid

Out of 18 million Az 30 died of clots

I’ve had the AZ "

30 got clots and only 7 have died

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

" Assuming that the vaccination is safe of course. Children really don't seem to be dying from this virus... when they are I'll reconsider my choices. At the moment I still have one although the forum seems to think that bullying people into having a vaccine is acceptable. "

It is safe. Do some research into just how many countries with differing standards of regulatory steps have passed the vaccines & then actually try and find evidential proof for your counter-case.

99% of the people wondering whether it's safer haven't even bothered to read anything related to the actual medical trials and procedure this has gone through. Yet, you read off the side effect of any medication in the cabinet or negative effects of drugs/alcohol/fast food & they don't even bat an eyelid as it isn't convenient to them.

Not sating you're any of these things, but I challenge you to research into why you actually think it's not safe - and instead read into why it is. Even compare it to something like headache tablets (gosh, some of those wouldn't even pass some tests if they were a new drug today!)

The vaccine isn't compulsory and you shouldn't be bullied, but when the defence of an arguement is very thinly veiled, and people are actually telling you why it's safe, to actually protect yourself in your situation better - it is a bit bonkers to pan the arguement away and say whatever, I'll do what I want [ignoring the actual evidence].

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything

I won't say it's wrong, but that's a very strange option given the other arguments you've raised RE: Pregnancy.

Bullied into wearing seat belts

Bullied into paying taxes

Bullied into using printed currency

Bullied into educating children

Bullied into using socialised health care

Bullied into not murdering people

Where will it end?

I wonder why so many are so willing to accept it is safe and for our best interests. "

Why do you wonder? There are so so many riskier things you've presumably not wondered that about once... Why do you get on a plane? Looks a bit risky to me...

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Suppose your unborn child ends up vulnerable (like my actual child is) and not enough people have had the vaccine so the virus has mutated and affects children like polio and the Spanish flu,., what we do now affects all of our children unborn or born.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And covid vaccine is one I'm taking out of that equation. Thanks.

That's fine. Will you have the jab after your pregnancy? Not unless they force me to. I'm not being bullied into anything

I won't say it's wrong, but that's a very strange option given the other arguments you've raised RE: Pregnancy.

Bullied into wearing seat belts

Bullied into paying taxes

Bullied into using printed currency

Bullied into educating children

Bullied into using socialised health care

Bullied into not murdering people

Where will it end?

I wonder why so many are so willing to accept it is safe and for our best interests.

Why do you wonder? There are so so many riskier things you've presumably not wondered that about once... Why do you get on a plane? Looks a bit risky to me... "

I don't even have a passport. I don't know why people get on planes

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?

Maybe you're walking past her in the street whilst you cough... Who knows...?

If her daughter is that vulnerable she should protect her. Not me"

OK so we're back to isolating everyone at risk and their entire support network. And the families of those support networks... Let them. Be 2nd... 3rd rate citizens. Yeah... Obviously not. Just be a responsible member of society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

I'm not sure what your point is but I'm not putting anything into my children's bodies until I know for sure it's safe.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?

Maybe you're walking past her in the street whilst you cough... Who knows...?

If her daughter is that vulnerable she should protect her. Not me"

Should her daughter not go to school? Where unvaccinated parents children are? Should she not go the hospital or gp where unvaccinated people are? Should she not go to soft play? Swimming? Tesco? .. why should her daughter have to live in the house due to uneducated anti vaxxers?

How would you feel if this was your child?

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

I don't even have a passport. I don't know why people get on planes"

You're just lying now. Or disturbed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?

Maybe you're walking past her in the street whilst you cough... Who knows...?

If her daughter is that vulnerable she should protect her. Not me

But the vaccine protects them doesn't it? If it doesn't why are we having it?

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

I'm not sure what your point is but I'm not putting anything into my children's bodies until I know for sure it's safe. "

You will never know. Like you will never know how your phone works, how cars work... Yet you hoover this shit up...

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

I'm not sure what your point is but I'm not putting anything into my children's bodies until I know for sure it's safe. "

I’m assuming you’re avoiding baby milk, haribos, tap water, baby food in jars, apples, oranges, baby wipes, disposable nappies .. car seats .... or have your assessed the chemical compounds and each variant of these and decided they’re safe? Or will you trust the professionals?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't even have a passport. I don't know why people get on planes

You're just lying now. Or disturbed. "

Lol not lying. I haven't been on a plane since 2006. I've no need

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

I'm not sure what your point is but I'm not putting anything into my children's bodies until I know for sure it's safe.

You're being ridiculous as most of those have been around for years and tested properly

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By *evilandTheBeastCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough and Bedford

Had AZ jab number 1. Can't wait for the second.

In June "I'm on a vaccine hunt: I'm not scared".

Covid, can't go around it, can't walk past it, we have to face it square on.

Clots can kill

Covid can kill

Clots aren't contagious: Covid is!

Get the jab.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

I'm not sure what your point is but I'm not putting anything into my children's bodies until I know for sure it's safe.

You're being ridiculous as most of those have been around for years and tested properly"

So the new aptimal stage 3 with added vitamins or pampers extra baby dry that keep baby drier ..... you’d refuse them as they’re new? I think not...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But yes avoiding hariboes, disposable nappies, wipes, formula milk, certainly baby food in jars.. who wouldn't? I'm pretty sure car seats have been extensively tested and proved safe and can't do damage if used.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"But yes avoiding hariboes, disposable nappies, wipes, formula milk, certainly baby food in jars.. who wouldn't? I'm pretty sure car seats have been extensively tested and proved safe and can't do damage if used. "

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines? "

Why are you so interested in me having the vaccine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines? "

And the vaccine hasn't been so intensively tested. That's why

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

There is great irony in the face a car seat isn't 100% effective either. And using one has a benefit that having one does not.

But that's one for another day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines? "

Why are you so keen for me to have it?

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By *rad670Man
over a year ago

South Lakes

"It's accurate.

The risks of vaccination are tiny but not non existent. Apparently in Germany the Oxford AZ vaccine has caused blood clots in 1 in 87000 people.

Do you want 1 in 1000 risk of death and higher risk of other complications, or 1 in 87000 risk of a serious side effect?

Or, do you want Russian roulette with 1 in 1000 chance of being shot, or 1 in 87 000 risk of being shot?"

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines?

Why are you so keen for me to have it?"

Herd immunity ... google is your friend

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?

Maybe you're walking past her in the street whilst you cough... Who knows...?

If her daughter is that vulnerable she should protect her. Not me"
I'm sure your just trolling on this.... so am I supposed to keep her locked away ? I didn't say you specifically but people not taking precautions, not vaccinating to protect others as well as themselves, put her at risk if she leaves the house

She has lost several friends to covid, I've sadly lost friends, colleagues and a family member. I've been very sick with it myself... I'd not wish it on my worst enemy.

And if you think that the forum bullies those that wont have the vaccine then I think you are very wrong.

But it's an emotive subject for those of us that are directly affected. How would you feel if you caught it and passed it to someone else ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines?

Why are you so keen for me to have it?

Herd immunity ... google is your friend

Google can back up my claims too.

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By *arl17Man
over a year ago

Central Portugal

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines?

Why are you so keen for me to have it?

Herd immunity ... google is your friend

Google can back up my claims too.

All BS lol for the year we all have been supressed x imho x

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

Christ ..... ‘pretty sure’ ...... why don’t you use the same approach to these things as you’re do to vaccines?

Why are you so keen for me to have it?

Herd immunity ... google is your friend

Google can back up my claims too.

Care to share some of your sources? Happy to give them and their source material a read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not responsible for others health. Those that are vulnerable should protect themselves just like they do from flu.

Erm well at the moment I'm not able to meet with anyone. As far as I'm concerned no one knows the impact the vaccine could have on my unborn child. If the vaccine is as good as they say then why would me not having it impact anyone else? because you don't know who you could pass the virus onto... I have a daughter whose chance of surviving covid if she should catch it would be less than favourable.. so despite having already had covid... I have has the vaccine to protect her and those like her... she has had her first vaccine now to. And as the vaccine has been shown to be beneficial to pregnant women.. ..it also says there is no issues with getting pregnant after the vaccine

How many have they tested that on?

How am I coming into contact with your vulnerable daughter?

Maybe you're walking past her in the street whilst you cough... Who knows...?

If her daughter is that vulnerable she should protect her. Not me I'm sure your just trolling on this.... so am I supposed to keep her locked away ? I didn't say you specifically but people not taking precautions, not vaccinating to protect others as well as themselves, put her at risk if she leaves the house

She has lost several friends to covid, I've sadly lost friends, colleagues and a family member. I've been very sick with it myself... I'd not wish it on my worst enemy.

And if you think that the forum bullies those that wont have the vaccine then I think you are very wrong.

But it's an emotive subject for those of us that are directly affected. How would you feel if you caught it and passed it to someone else ??? "

I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on. "

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

Technically us being jabbed doesn't mean we can't get it either. We'd probably get it less severe than you, but the fact you're I protected means tour more likely to get it and pass on. Lol. I don't get why that's such a hard thing to fathom?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on. "

Because it does help protect people transmitting it..so yes it does stop me passing it on.

Think it's by as much as 60%

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Anyone who refuses the vaccine....if you get Covid or your child gets Covid and gets seriously ill, will you refuse hospital treatment?

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over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

And I don't get why you're all so willing to take a vaccination for a disease that they need to test people that are showing no symptoms for it to prove it is prevalent!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone who refuses the vaccine....if you get Covid or your child gets Covid and gets seriously ill, will you refuse hospital treatment?"

No because that isn't how the NHS works. Fat people don't refuse treatment do they?

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

"Anyone who refuses the vaccine....if you get Covid or your child gets Covid and gets seriously ill, will you refuse hospital treatment?

No because that isn't how the NHS works. Fat people don't refuse treatment do they?"

Interesting.....thought that would be your way of thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone who refuses the vaccine....if you get Covid or your child gets Covid and gets seriously ill, will you refuse hospital treatment?

No because that isn't how the NHS works. Fat people don't refuse treatment do they?

Interesting.....thought that would be your way of thinking."

Oh am I wrong then?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The incidence of any condition will typically be predictable. If the current numbers of the problem are within the normal distribution levels within the population, then all would appear to be as standard. We expect a range of medical problems throughout the population every day. And would be concerned about any unusual patterns - the last I read, there was nothing found that was unusual and nothing linked to a vaccine having been given.

If the incidence is as expected for the population, then stopping vaccination wouldn't alleviate the problem but it would leave all of the unvaccinated at risk of infection, as well as the country subject to further problems. If there's no known risk and you're comparing it with a quantified risk, then Russian roulette is in no way similar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way I look at it is about 4 million people have tested positive for Covid and 126,700 have died.

About 18 million in UK have had the Oxford vaccine and 7 have died from a rare blood clot that may or may not have been related to the jab.

I know which chance I would take.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

And I don't get why you're all so willing to take a vaccination for a disease that they need to test people that are showing no symptoms for it to prove it is prevalent!"
there is no face plant smiley or I'd use it.

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"And I don't get why you're all so willing to take a vaccination for a disease that they need to test people that are showing no symptoms for it to prove it is prevalent!"

I think the 127k deaths in the country attributed to it thus far is probably the main reason. Pretty bad result to let people continue dying.

If you genuinely can't understand why you'd possibly want to test even non-effected people in the midst of a pandemic, then there really is no point bothering to explain more.

I was part of an early antibody test (no symptoms myself). It's stuff like that, whether ill or not, that helps to understand how to combat it.

You keep checking to check that the numbers are going down. Leave it j check and what happens? Boom. Rates sky high again. Panic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

And I don't get why you're all so willing to take a vaccination for a disease that they need to test people that are showing no symptoms for it to prove it is prevalent! there is no face plant smiley or I'd use it. "

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I'm glad to be one of those vaccinated. Cant see why people find it so hard to understand the benefits of the vaccination.... good job our ancestors didnt behave the same way with small pox vaccine... look at the prevalence of measles now that people are not vaccinating.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

"Anyone who refuses the vaccine....if you get Covid or your child gets Covid and gets seriously ill, will you refuse hospital treatment?

No because that isn't how the NHS works. Fat people don't refuse treatment do they?

Interesting.....thought that would be your way of thinking.

Oh am I wrong then?"

Being fat isn't a contagious deadly disease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji. "

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And I don't get why you're all so willing to take a vaccination for a disease that they need to test people that are showing no symptoms for it to prove it is prevalent!

I think the 127k deaths in the country attributed to it thus far is probably the main reason. Pretty bad result to let people continue dying.

If you genuinely can't understand why you'd possibly want to test even non-effected people in the midst of a pandemic, then there really is no point bothering to explain more.

I was part of an early antibody test (no symptoms myself). It's stuff like that, whether ill or not, that helps to understand how to combat it.

You keep checking to check that the numbers are going down. Leave it j check and what happens? Boom. Rates sky high again. Panic. "

Hmm don't get me started on the problem with the death figures

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm glad to be one of those vaccinated. Cant see why people find it so hard to understand the benefits of the vaccination.... good job our ancestors didnt behave the same way with small pox vaccine... look at the prevalence of measles now that people are not vaccinating.

Totally agree.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it."

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

With ref earlier to poss blood clots the risk to ladies who take the pill are more at risk of developing clots than from a covid vaccine. If you read the small print on most over the counter medications the risks of side effects are also far greater than the covid vac yet we all take ibuprofen, paracetamol, night nurse, asthma inhalers and numerous others without even a second thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal"

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?"

If you had done any research you would know the number of people involved in the trials is about the same as any trial for new vaccinations it was just done in a much more concentrated time period.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?"

Nothing is 100% safe in life. Nothing at all.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"If we all didn't medicate because of the listed side affects there would be a lot more deaths from simple infections for example

Paracetamol has risks involved and how many of us take that

Paracetamol has been banned in USA as they say it has a connection to cause cancer"

I buy paracetamol over the counter in the USA. Of course there are risks with many over the counter medicines, as well as those via prescription. Millions take them every day. Humans are very poor at risk evaluation but most of us get it about right with these mostly harmless treatments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?

If you had done any research you would know the number of people involved in the trials is about the same as any trial for new vaccinations it was just done in a much more concentrated time period."

Yes so no long term effects. That's my issue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic"

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?

Nothing is 100% safe in life. Nothing at all. "

I agree. Your point being?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic"

No she hasn't. No one has made anything personal on this thread.

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

" Hmm don't get me started on the problem with the death figures"

Feel free. I'm aware of how some have been attributed. You have to use a method though, and the revised numbers a while back are a decent enough estimate that we can manage.

Completely agree the government fucked it early on. They've sorted it out a bit since.

I'm happy for you to link some sources to your opinions though?

We all know the numbers are bad. We know the effects can be terrible.

Fortunately I don't know anyone who has died from it (apart from a couple of kids parents at brothers school - albeit one of those was very unhealthy beforehand anyway.) I have however had the experience of a colleague my age (27, no health issues) on deaths door at the hospital, then on call down a ventilator... to know this is something anyone can get and anyone can die of.

I don't want anyone to experience that. I'm getting jabbed to protect myself and others from experiencing that.

Goodnight to all.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here. "

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

No she hasn't. No one has made anything personal on this thread."

Ah OK. Its OK for her to pitch in and pick me out without anything to add to what we're talking about. Yep course it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here."

She didn't question what I said though?

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

For anyone interested, here is a link to how the small pox vaccine came about

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/jenner_edward.shtml

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?

If you had done any research you would know the number of people involved in the trials is about the same as any trial for new vaccinations it was just done in a much more concentrated time period.

Yes so no long term effects. That's my issue"

The phizer had 43,000 Participants and the trials lasted 8 and a 1/2 months.

Normal vaccination trials in the past have lasted between 9 months and one year with an average of 40000 participants so i would say this is being very rigorously tested.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

"Think if we took your statement a bit further we could argue is it worth the risk just living as so many horrible things could happen to you before you die a natural death, why bother even going on.

You are at a more greater risk if you smoke, if you are overweight, if you have a bad diet, if you don't exercise if you are unhappy.

We could almost ban everything.

I haven't had a bad year, worked right through, been an eye opener though and have seen the best and the worst in people. That's always been the way but Covid has accentuated it.

Not long now.

Once the draw bridge comes down we can all flood out, or will we.

I'm finding the thought of being in a crowded pub quite daunting, what was once normal pushing and shoving around the bar area is now a bit scarey, anyone the same?"

If I told you all the horrible things that have happened to me you'd wonder how the hell I'm still here never mind still living and not rocking in a corner, the virus or any virus have not been one of them.

My view is partly brought about by experiences both with humans and animals including having my life threatened more than once, by more than one method, I'm still here, I don't fear it and would welcome it above being dementia ridden for instance. I value quality of life not just surviving.

I do get to most it sounds harsh, it's not it is just life & nature.

and no I wouldn't ban everything because I wouldn't do it out of fear of the 1%...that's crazy & what i have argued against as this is exactly the case with covid.

yes, these are risk factors to life they always have been, now & forever more, these won't leave and won't be banned either.

you do have to consider that that body your in is the only one you every get, it's with you from birth 'til death unlike most things in life so why would you not love it and care for it best you can?

I totally get a lot of people have developed a social anxiety about being around people and crowds. whilst there is risk to infection (as there always was, just wasn't shoved in your face hourly) I like you to remember this:

False

Evidence

Appearing

Real

the chances of catching or dying of covid decrease with every person vaccinated (almost half uk pop & most vulnerable) and every person who recovers from it which is 99% of people (antibodies), according to ons half of the UK pop have antibodies already, therefore we are almost at herd immunity level overall.

the deadline of all restrictions lifted in July should be fine if we keep up this rate of accepting vaccines and antibody creation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here.

She didn't question what I said though?"

I have questioned what you have said several times but you have chosen to ignore it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here.

She didn't question what I said though?

I have questioned what you have said several times but you have chosen to ignore it. "

What specifically,?

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here.

She didn't question what I said though?"

You don't seem to want to listen to reason so I'm leaving it there. Goodnight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here.

She didn't question what I said though?

You don't seem to want to listen to reason so I'm leaving it there. Goodnight."

Or... you've run out of things to say!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here.

She didn't question what I said though?

I have questioned what you have said several times but you have chosen to ignore it.

What specifically,?"

Read the thread and you will see them.

I'm not getting drawn in because I know what you are trying to do and all I am saying is there is evidence to prove this vaccine has been fully tested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?

If you had done any research you would know the number of people involved in the trials is about the same as any trial for new vaccinations it was just done in a much more concentrated time period.

Yes so no long term effects. That's my issue

The phizer had 43,000 Participants and the trials lasted 8 and a 1/2 months.

Normal vaccination trials in the past have lasted between 9 months and one year with an average of 40000 participants so i would say this is being very rigorously tested.

Not long enough to test the effects on an unborn child though.

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"For anyone interested, here is a link to how the small pox vaccine came about

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/jenner_edward.shtml

It's a good bit of information to know, but not (IMO) e tiredly useful for this conversation. Jenner did things that were completely revolutionary and unheard of. The vaccines produced these days go through rigorous testing procedures (where it's certainly not their first rodeo)

I suppose the 'new' technology if any, for some of the vaccines, is the use of RNA in development, but again, something that has been in the works for a long time.

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Why would that be helpful, seeing as anyone can die at any point, of anything?"
but that's how they are formulating deaths from covid. If you've had it within 28 days of dying, it goes down as a covid death statistic. Misleading..

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over a year ago

"I just don't get how my not having it affects anyone else. If you're worried then have it. It protects you doesn't it? It doesn't stop you passing it on.

Blimey. You not having it affect anyone who likewise hasn't had it. You & your child to be are a perfect example. Or you and a fellow like-minded soul.

You have your view and I have mine although apparently I have to think like everyone else or i get the face palm emoji.

And why shouldn't people be dismayed by what you have said?

Yes you are allowed an opinion but others are allowed to disagree with it.

I'm dismayed by lots of things. I manage to keep it to the debate and not make it personal

Do you?

I can't see anyone that has been personal.

You've kinda made it personal with no input to the topic

How?

Because I've said people can disagree with you?

I haven't said anything personal and neither has anyone else. It seems to are trying to drag people off topic

Your only input was to have A dig at me. I'm not at fault here.

No one has had a dig at you personally. We are putting questions across and our point of view. That is all anyone is doing on here.

She didn't question what I said though?

I have questioned what you have said several times but you have chosen to ignore it.

What specifically,?

Read the thread and you will see them.

I'm not getting drawn in because I know what you are trying to do and all I am saying is there is evidence to prove this vaccine has been fully tested. "

Oooh!! I found one!! Well done!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Why would that be helpful, seeing as anyone can die at any point, of anything?but that's how they are formulating deaths from covid. If you've had it within 28 days of dying, it goes down as a covid death statistic. Misleading.. "

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?

If you had done any research you would know the number of people involved in the trials is about the same as any trial for new vaccinations it was just done in a much more concentrated time period.

Yes so no long term effects. That's my issue

The phizer had 43,000 Participants and the trials lasted 8 and a 1/2 months.

Normal vaccination trials in the past have lasted between 9 months and one year with an average of 40000 participants so i would say this is being very rigorously tested.

Not long enough to test the effects on an unborn child though. "

That is why pregnant women are advised not to have the vaccine.

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"Or... you've run out of things to say!"

Trust me mate. My responses have had far more substance and claims to back up that yours.

I've asked you twice to link to the sources of the claims you're making and you've ignored it both times.

If the other person in the debate won't engage to an serviceable fashion, there is no point in entertaining what is merely opinion. When it's opinion vs. opinion with no facts to back up claims, then there is no chance of educating each other on the actual science.

You know this and that's why you won't link anything. Ridiculously immature 'oh I have the last word response' and franky that's not the sort of attitude I want to spend my time having an amicable debate with.

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figure"
would be good to know the true figure, does anyone actually know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How much testing was involved with those vaccines before people were sure it was safe?

If you had done any research you would know the number of people involved in the trials is about the same as any trial for new vaccinations it was just done in a much more concentrated time period.

Yes so no long term effects. That's my issue

The phizer had 43,000 Participants and the trials lasted 8 and a 1/2 months.

Normal vaccination trials in the past have lasted between 9 months and one year with an average of 40000 participants so i would say this is being very rigorously tested.

Not long enough to test the effects on an unborn child though.

That is why pregnant women are advised not to have the vaccine."

Ah so am I exonerated for not being a great fan of it. Am I allowed to put my children ahead of the more vulnerable??? Oh thank you!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figurewould be good to know the true figure, does anyone actually know? "

The ONS produces figures with Covid as cause of death listed on the birth certificate, as well as the 28 day figure. The former is very close to how we measure any other cause of death - and usually gets ignored by denialists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figurewould be good to know the true figure, does anyone actually know? "

Are other countries that have recorded high deaths lying too?

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over a year ago

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figurewould be good to know the true figure, does anyone actually know?

Are other countries that have recorded high deaths lying too?"

Are their figures accurate? Or the same as ours?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Just off hand, and I honestly have no idea of the answer to this, but it does seem relevant to some of the above posts: Has anybody read anything about incidence of problems caused by contracting covid during pregnancy? Given that covid appears to be circulated throughout the system in the bloodstream, and blood clots are a known symptom, it would seem to me that there could possibly be some danger to mother and/or unborn child. Does pregnancy count as an "underlying condition" that could make covid more dangerous?

I don't recall seeing anything about this anywhere, but many other relatively mild illnesses can be very dangerous during pregnancy. I hope that somebody somewhere is doing a study about this, as it would seem to be of vital importance for giving correct advice to those planning on having children - is it safer to get vaccinated, or safer to risk covid?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figurewould be good to know the true figure, does anyone actually know?

Are other countries that have recorded high deaths lying too?

Are their figures accurate? Or the same as ours?"

Obviously it's a global conspiracy.

there is no other explanation because obviously it can't actually be the reason they are reporting these numbers because its actually happening!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figurewould be good to know the true figure, does anyone actually know?

Are other countries that have recorded high deaths lying too?

Are their figures accurate? Or the same as ours?

Obviously it's a global conspiracy.

there is no other explanation because obviously it can't actually be the reason they are reporting these numbers because its actually happening!

Oh because I'm questioning it I'm in the wrong?!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Just off hand, and I honestly have no idea of the answer to this, but it does seem relevant to some of the above posts: Has anybody read anything about incidence of problems caused by contracting covid during pregnancy? Given that covid appears to be circulated throughout the system in the bloodstream, and blood clots are a known symptom, it would seem to me that there could possibly be some danger to mother and/or unborn child. Does pregnancy count as an "underlying condition" that could make covid more dangerous?

Significantly increased hospitalisation, I've heard on my virology podcasts. Hugely worse maternal outcomes.

Plus increased reporting of children losing physical and intellectual capacity after Covid.

Glad I'm not having to make these evaluations. Hope to be jabbed soon.

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By *elshcouple18Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Will they produce figures on how many have died within 28 days of having the jab?

Indeed. But seems many are happy with this figurewould be good to know the true figure, does anyone actually know?

Are other countries that have recorded high deaths lying too?

Are their figures accurate? Or the same as ours?

Obviously it's a global conspiracy.

there is no other explanation because obviously it can't actually be the reason they are reporting these numbers because its actually happening!

"
nowhere stating actual deaths of covid. All stating within 28 days of positive test, so I could die in a car crash, but if I've had a positive test 28 days prior, I'm one of the 120,000.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A pregnant friend from mine (not in this country) got her vaccine. CDC are researching vaccine in pregnant people and have been for a wee while. V-safe is following pregnant people after receiving the vaccine.

Pregnant people can be at higher risk of complications by threefold (I havent researched it just what a few docs in america saying) so dont know a great deal. But pregnant women are receiving vaccines. Seems higher risk also from covid but havent looked too much into it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People will believe what they want. I don't understand why my refusal to believe what they do and risk my health and my unborn child's health is so important to them. The powers that be seem to have done a good job on them. They will most likely happily give up what few freedoms we have left because its for the greater good. Yeah right. Dream on

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