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By *lareluvscock OP   Woman
over a year ago

Gateshead

In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

"

There are indeed many theories

The truth is well publicised and that's why it's not in the news anymore.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

There are indeed many theories

The truth is well publicised and that's why it's not in the news anymore."

The wet market theory was the Chinese governments initial theory. The lab escape is still a theory no real proof for it but no absolute proof it didn't. The most widely accepted theory was it was a bat virus that mutated via at least one species before infecting humans. The pangolin being the favourite. What is this well publicised truth ? As far as i know there is no definitive truth as yet on how covid originated.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Of the original 41 hospital patients in wuhan, 13 of them did have any contact with the market, it was one of the original infection points not the only infection point, and scientists admit they have no idea where it came from only that the genome is closest found in horseshoe bats

Source The Lancet

Personally I still think it came out of the B4 lab in wastewater

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You would have thought if it was man made and escaped out of a lab the people that created it would know it's makeup and be able to stop it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You would have thought if it was man made and escaped out of a lab the people that created it would know it's makeup and be able to stop it. "

There would also be dozens of experts round the world presenting evidence it had been modified, the genome sequence is known globally and anyone with specialization in manipulation of viral makeups would be able to tell if this was natural or man-made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You would have thought if it was man made and escaped out of a lab the people that created it would know it's makeup and be able to stop it. "

Why would they want to stop it? The whole point of the virus is to kill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently this is most definitely not man made

Says this man

https://youtu.be/CfBhk-9OcrU

Dr. Michael osterholm on joe rogan back in March, very interesting

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Although not common, it's not unknown for virus to make the jump between animals and humans.

Check out the cdc.gov/healthypets/diseases/index website for the full list of disease that affect animals amd humans, its interesting and a little scary.

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By *engallancerMan
over a year ago

Derby

I think it was made in a lab the released. Also think china's got a vaccination for it. When you see an out break over there. City's get locked down for so called testing. Reckon it's a vaccination program

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Although not common, it's not unknown for virus to make the jump between animals and humans.

Check out the cdc.gov/healthypets/diseases/index website for the full list of disease that affect animals amd humans, its interesting and a little scary.

"

Rabies, ebola, HIV, swine flu, bird flu.......

I remember reading covid19 has a 90%+ similarity with a virus carried by bats. We are particularly susceptible to viruses carried by bats. They can act like virus reservoirs across different species

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Apparently this is most definitely not man made

Says this man

https://youtu.be/CfBhk-9OcrU

Dr. Michael osterholm on joe rogan back in March, very interesting "


"Given the similarity of SARS-CoV-2 to bat SARS-CoV-like coronaviruses2, it is likely that bats serve as reservoir hosts for its progenitor. Although RaTG13, sampled from a Rhinolophus affinis bat1, is ~96% identical overall to SARS-CoV-2, "

From an article called The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights


"You would have thought if it was man made and escaped out of a lab the people that created it would know it's makeup and be able to stop it. "

Yes but why does it have to be man made, check out the study list for b4 labs of the natural viruses they are breeding and testing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Covid has been out longer than its declared. This has been a known virus.. was on a simpsons episode so must bd true..lol

The direct source, pandemic spread and replication is the unknown in march.

Ebola still present in congo in march.

Took 25 yrs for chicken pox vaccine.

Hope the worlds cleverest can do something

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

"

It was never reported as coming from a lab, except of course from Crazy Dave's YouTube conspiracy channel.

Virologists studied it and confirmed it originated in bats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would just like to remind people that 'person x from youtube' is not a source, and 'I saw on the news' has no credibility either.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

My mate dave reckons he knows where it all started... He's a genius with motors so he knows what he's talking about. He reckons it was some abnormal sexual practises from some dodgy foreigners... They don't like it up em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would just like to remind people that 'person x from youtube' is not a source, and 'I saw on the news' has no credibility either."

Do you know that Jon hopkins and the CDC have official YouTube channels, where the give up to date information

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It has been the subject of expert extensive research, which is where you would look for evidence and expert opinion. It won't be in trashy news opinion sources, which drop stories to boost audience numbers and ad revenue.

I assume that op has reviewed the great scientific evidence out there but struggled with it?

The lab created story was quickly debunked. It's natural in origin.

Its origins are clear, having been around in bats for decades but not getting into the human population and getting attention until now. These viruses can reconstitute, pass via intermediate species and infect more than just 1 species - pangolins and us, at least, would appear susceptible. Minks, cats and other animals have shown infection too.

The Chinese published its genetic sequence early in January. That level of detail, so long ago l, has made this fairly easy to understand and look at it - helped by some people wanting to point the finger of blame at others.

If interested about this, the medical and health details as I always say, stick with credible sources for your data. There's plenty around.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I think it was made in a lab the released. Also think china's got a vaccination for it. When you see an out break over there. City's get locked down for so called testing. Reckon it's a vaccination program "

Why would they release it?

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

It was never reported as coming from a lab, except of course from Crazy Dave's YouTube conspiracy channel.

Virologists studied it and confirmed it originated in bats."

I think Trump also tweeted something about the Chinese manufacturing it.

If Trumps says they did then it must be true..

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"I think it was made in a lab the released. Also think china's got a vaccination for it. When you see an out break over there. City's get locked down for so called testing. Reckon it's a vaccination program "

The purpose being what exactly?

China relies on western consumers to buy their products.

You have any idea how hard it would be to vaccinate an entire city secretly?

When the Chinese do a lockdown, they do it properly.

Bleating on about human rights or the need to go and buy chicken nuggets and such nonsense fall on deaf ears.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Anyone thinking it's not natural, should read the evidence and then quote the credible evidence, from reputable journal sources, when they dispute it. Your post would obviously be valid for submission to a reputable journal to be published.

I look forward to reading your research evidence and will happily assist you with getting it published.

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By *lareluvscock OP   Woman
over a year ago

Gateshead

'You would have thought if it was man made and escaped out of a lab the people that created it would know it's makeup and be able to stop it.'

That's a good point!

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By *lareluvscock OP   Woman
over a year ago

Gateshead

Re.:

’It was never reported as coming from a lab, except of course from Crazy Dave's YouTube conspiracy channel.’

And:

’’I saw on the news’ has no credibility.’

I have no reason to say that I heard it reported on the news if I didn’t. It WAS reported on the news that there is evidence that the virus originated in a Chinese laboratory, but merely having 'evidence' does not necessarily make it a fact.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick


"Covid has been out longer than its declared. This has been a known virus.. was on a simpsons episode so must bd true..lol

The direct source, pandemic spread and replication is the unknown in march.

Ebola still present in congo in march.

Took 25 yrs for chicken pox vaccine.

Hope the worlds cleverest can do something"

It wasn't in the Simpsons BTW, that was edited by someone. The original was about a made up virus called the Osaka Flu and it behaved completely differently to Covid.

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By *heWelder90Man
over a year ago

Wrexham

Covid 19 is a difficult bugger to tame.wet markets were banned in China after swine flu.bird flu.humans are on animals land so we gonna be prone to their problems as we evolved from viruses over millions of years as a single cell.we developed natural immunity but this virus can wake it up and send it into protection mode so we basically kill ourselves.a chimp can break a nut using a stone as a hammer.a human was doing that 100 thousand years ago so some bat virus is giving the world a kicking.man woman kind can’t even cure a cold.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There would also be dozens of experts round the world presenting evidence it had been modified, the genome sequence is known globally and anyone with specialization in manipulation of viral makeups would be able to tell if this was natural or man-made. "

I'm gonna bet that this is a bit too logically sound for the Fab forums and that it'll go over the heads of most contributors to this thread, largely being ignored in favour of wild conspiracy theo-oh wait nope...too late. It has already happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The fat thumbed twitter narcissust calls it the Chinese virus. Something he was right about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There would also be dozens of experts round the world presenting evidence it had been modified, the genome sequence is known globally and anyone with specialization in manipulation of viral makeups would be able to tell if this was natural or man-made.

I'm gonna bet that this is a bit too logically sound for the Fab forums and that it'll go over the heads of most contributors to this thread, largely being ignored in favour of wild conspiracy theo-oh wait nope...too late. It has already happened. "

Yeah it has happened and as far as the source is concerned you would think that if it did come from a Lab in China, and given the crisis the world finds itself in there would be huge international pressure/threats to reveal the source. Since none of this has been forthcoming it looks likely that there is no proof to substantiate the Lab theory, with the most likely source being a Wet Market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Covid 19 had been isolated in a Chinese lab after it was discovered 4 or 5 years ago and reported to the world. (All the lab samples where accounted for) yes It was isolated from samples taken from bats. Plus Lock down in China is also full lockdown you arent allowed out of you residence people are paid to patrol corridors and streets stop and detain anyone outside so there lockdown actually works. Most Chinese Live in apartments so a single person can monitor the entire floor or more. Can you imagine that system in the uk ? The government didn't care if you had enough food, or the food you fancied, you had to stay home, no food simple go hungry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer to listen to real experts rather than the conspiracy theorists

This was released in October

Several scientists around the world, including Dr Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, say there is no evidence to suggest the virus was manufactured in or accidentally escaped from a lab - a theory that President Donald Trump himself has spread.

That notion is widely disregarded as misinformation.

The team, from the University of Cambridge in the UK, says its findings indicate that being more inclined to believe misinformation was linked to a lower likelihood of being vaccinated, which could limit how soon the pandemic is curbed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people say there is no virus some say its a scamdemic plandemic etc.. we will never know us general public are never allowed to know. Who knows?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people say there is no virus some say its a scamdemic plandemic etc.. we will never know us general public are never allowed to know. Who knows?"

You could always read the numerous scientific papers, reports and studies on Covid-19.

Understanding negates the need for belief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another question is WHEN the covid-19 started..

Maybe back last December?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't matter when it started what matters is it is here and we need to deal with it which means for the time being everyone has to be responsible with

face masks,space cleanliness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It doesn't matter when it started what matters is it is here and we need to deal with it which means for the time being everyone has to be responsible with

face masks,space cleanliness

"

True.

All the misinformation, that seems to get lapped up these day, is making it worse. Not better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

"

the big mistake your making is believing the news they only repeat what they are told to say . their is a lot of evidence that the virus was created in a wuhan lab with investment from bill gates but to make up for that good old bill gates also invested in novavacs the company the british government have done a deal with for the vaccine / cure dont take my word for it research it your self .

imagine the profits the company with the cure will make oh and if you do bother to research any of what i have mentioned please have a look at how bill gates is a believer in eugenics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another question is WHEN the covid-19 started..

Maybe back last December?"

i believe i had it in December

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds


"Another question is WHEN the covid-19 started..

Maybe back last December?"

I got it in December 2019, I fucking told the wife let’s not have roast Bat for Christmas dinner but did she listen......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another question is WHEN the covid-19 started..

Maybe back last December?

I got it in December 2019, I fucking told the wife let’s not have roast Bat for Christmas dinner but did she listen......"

Medium rare?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

the big mistake your making is believing the news they only repeat what they are told to say . their is a lot of evidence that the virus was created in a wuhan lab with investment from bill gates but to make up for that good old bill gates also invested in novavacs the company the british government have done a deal with for the vaccine / cure dont take my word for it research it your self .

imagine the profits the company with the cure will make oh and if you do bother to research any of what i have mentioned please have a look at how bill gates is a believer in eugenics "

Excellent example of what happens when you choose to believe the rhubarb instead of sticking to the science.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another question is WHEN the covid-19 started..

Maybe back last December?

i believe i had it in December "

So do I .I had the worst cough I've ever had in december.maybe early evidence of covid-19.on different threads many many people even on here had strange cough back in December...of course if your called Glasgow1965 it doesn't matter..really..just believe the papers then ffs

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds


"Another question is WHEN the covid-19 started..

Maybe back last December?

I got it in December 2019, I fucking told the wife let’s not have roast Bat for Christmas dinner but did she listen......

Medium rare?"

Blue

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By *ookMan
over a year ago

london

For me the thing I find most interesting is that it’s not turned out to be the biggest question in the world that needs a definitive answer. It makes me want to get the tin foil out and make a small hat but I seem to have lost all motivation to do anything these days and for me that’s more of a concern than Chinese bats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Another question is WHEN the covid-19 started..

Maybe back last December?

i believe i had it in December

So do I .I had the worst cough I've ever had in december.maybe early evidence of covid-19.on different threads many many people even on here had strange cough back in December...of course if your called Glasgow1965 it doesn't matter..really..just believe the papers then ffs"

I don't believe everything I read in the papers or he news but have enough common sense to believe what is real. You conspiracy guys are just a bunch of wankheads!!

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

the big mistake your making is believing the news they only repeat what they are told to say . their is a lot of evidence that the virus was created in a wuhan lab with investment from bill gates but to make up for that good old bill gates also invested in novavacs the company the british government have done a deal with for the vaccine / cure dont take my word for it research it your self .

imagine the profits the company with the cure will make oh and if you do bother to research any of what i have mentioned please have a look at how bill gates is a believer in eugenics "

I think you tinfoil hat is too tight, maybe restricting the blood to your brain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too."

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans."
It is up to each one of what they believe in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans.It is up to each one of what they believe in."

False.

They studied the DNA of virus and applied the scientific method to their findings. The studies are peer reviewed and published.

You can go and read them to understand.

Knowledge and understanding removes the need for "belief".

You have the freedom of choice to either understand the situation, the science and the information or to believe whichever version of events you want, not based on science.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans.It is up to each one of what they believe in."

Absolutely, some to live in the reality fact based community and others well...are a gullible sort that are easily led. And then there's the bad actors.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans.It is up to each one of what they believe in."

It is Shag but you would assume that anyone making a decision would read all the detailed scientific research evidence first. The virus isn't new, it's existed for decades in bats. It's jumped from them to humans as we've invaded their land, giving it chance to find a new host

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"My mate dave reckons he knows where it all started... He's a genius with motors so he knows what he's talking about. He reckons it was some abnormal sexual practises from some dodgy foreigners... They don't like it up em"

Yeah but your mate Dave also said dog's can't look up !

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By *elsh_naturist_coupleCouple
over a year ago

Newport

The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem."

The initial, baseless, allocation was powerful enough to convince some weak minded people, or introduce seeds of doubt. Doesn't matter that it was debunked.

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By *elsh_naturist_coupleCouple
over a year ago

Newport


"It doesn't matter when it started what matters is it is here and we need to deal with it which means for the time being everyone has to be responsible with

face masks,space cleanliness

"

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans.It is up to each one of what they believe in.

It is Shag but you would assume that anyone making a decision would read all the detailed scientific research evidence first. The virus isn't new, it's existed for decades in bats. It's jumped from them to humans as we've invaded their land, giving it chance to find a new host "

And humans are particularly genetically vulnerable to viruses carried by bats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem.

The initial, baseless, allocation was powerful enough to convince some weak minded people, or introduce seeds of doubt. Doesn't matter that it was debunked."

Hang on a minute..I thought it was a fact that( albeit coincidentally)there happened to be a viral testing laboratory close to the Wuhan wet market,and as someone else said,they had specimens of covid-19,among many others,but all specimens were accounted for!.Maybe there was never a testing lab I don't know,not sure what facts are facts anymore.p.s,like the 'king of America' name.....

King of Scotland next..can someone suggest it to him..he won't even need to build a wall

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans.It is up to each one of what they believe in.

It is Shag but you would assume that anyone making a decision would read all the detailed scientific research evidence first. The virus isn't new, it's existed for decades in bats. It's jumped from them to humans as we've invaded their land, giving it chance to find a new host

And humans are particularly genetically vulnerable to viruses carried by bats. "

Are you saying a lot of people are batty ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem.

The initial, baseless, allocation was powerful enough to convince some weak minded people, or introduce seeds of doubt. Doesn't matter that it was debunked.

Hang on a minute..I thought it was a fact that( albeit coincidentally)there happened to be a viral testing laboratory close to the Wuhan wet market,and as someone else said,they had specimens of covid-19,among many others,but all specimens were accounted for!.Maybe there was never a testing lab I don't know,not sure what facts are facts anymore.p.s,like the 'king of America' name.....

King of Scotland next..can someone suggest it to him..he won't even need to build a wall "

Look,, the virus is here and it is real so we have to deal with it wherever the fuck it came from, it seems to be fucking some feeble minds up who only listen to what they want to hear and what their fucked up minds ingest..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem.

The initial, baseless, allocation was powerful enough to convince some weak minded people, or introduce seeds of doubt. Doesn't matter that it was debunked.

Hang on a minute..I thought it was a fact that( albeit coincidentally)there happened to be a viral testing laboratory close to the Wuhan wet market,and as someone else said,they had specimens of covid-19,among many others,but all specimens were accounted for!.Maybe there was never a testing lab I don't know,not sure what facts are facts anymore.p.s,like the 'king of America' name.....

King of Scotland next..can someone suggest it to him..he won't even need to build a wall

Look,, the virus is here and it is real so we have to deal with it wherever the fuck it came from, it seems to be fucking some feeble minds up who only listen to what they want to hear and what their fucked up minds ingest.. "

Your very angry, are you OK? Shall I call someone?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Noone really knows where it started and you are right op, the media do like to hype it up abit too.

False.

Virologists know exactly where it started and how it transferred into humans.It is up to each one of what they believe in.

It is Shag but you would assume that anyone making a decision would read all the detailed scientific research evidence first. The virus isn't new, it's existed for decades in bats. It's jumped from them to humans as we've invaded their land, giving it chance to find a new host

And humans are particularly genetically vulnerable to viruses carried by bats.

Are you saying a lot of people are batty ?"

Nutty/batty/fruitcakes/gullible/deluded......We could be here all day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem.

The initial, baseless, allocation was powerful enough to convince some weak minded people, or introduce seeds of doubt. Doesn't matter that it was debunked.

Hang on a minute..I thought it was a fact that( albeit coincidentally)there happened to be a viral testing laboratory close to the Wuhan wet market,and as someone else said,they had specimens of covid-19,among many others,but all specimens were accounted for!.Maybe there was never a testing lab I don't know,not sure what facts are facts anymore.p.s,like the 'king of America' name.....

King of Scotland next..can someone suggest it to him..he won't even need to build a wall

Look,, the virus is here and it is real so we have to deal with it wherever the fuck it came from, it seems to be fucking some feeble minds up who only listen to what they want to hear and what their fucked up minds ingest..

Your very angry, are you OK? Shall I call someone? "

Not angry at all mate I find it funny and also sad at the state of some people's mindset

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem.

The initial, baseless, allocation was powerful enough to convince some weak minded people, or introduce seeds of doubt. Doesn't matter that it was debunked.

Hang on a minute..I thought it was a fact that( albeit coincidentally)there happened to be a viral testing laboratory close to the Wuhan wet market,and as someone else said,they had specimens of covid-19,among many others,but all specimens were accounted for!.Maybe there was never a testing lab I don't know,not sure what facts are facts anymore.p.s,like the 'king of America' name.....

King of Scotland next..can someone suggest it to him..he won't even need to build a wall

Look,, the virus is here and it is real so we have to deal with it wherever the fuck it came from, it seems to be fucking some feeble minds up who only listen to what they want to hear and what their fucked up minds ingest..

Your very angry, are you OK? Shall I call someone?

Not angry at all mate I find it funny and also sad at the state of some people's mindset"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The theory of it being produced in a lab was put about by the King of America. Sorry the hopefully soon to be ex president of United States.

They sent investigators over to China but they debunked the allegation.

It seems that America would prefer to blame someone else and stir political tensions rather than deal with the problem.

The initial, baseless, allocation was powerful enough to convince some weak minded people, or introduce seeds of doubt. Doesn't matter that it was debunked.

Hang on a minute..I thought it was a fact that( albeit coincidentally)there happened to be a viral testing laboratory close to the Wuhan wet market,and as someone else said,they had specimens of covid-19,among many others,but all specimens were accounted for!.Maybe there was never a testing lab I don't know,not sure what facts are facts anymore.p.s,like the 'king of America' name.....

King of Scotland next..can someone suggest it to him..he won't even need to build a wall

Look,, the virus is here and it is real so we have to deal with it wherever the fuck it came from, it seems to be fucking some feeble minds up who only listen to what they want to hear and what their fucked up minds ingest.. "

you need to calm down.The title of the Ops thread is Where did the virus come from..that's the topic..if the topic was 'why was Stonehenge built" I suppose your reply would be the same' who cares , we need to build more hospitals' - a good point but irrelevant to what the thread was ! As a moderator once said if you see a thread subject you don't like and have nothing to contribute to the question asked, move into the next thread..you're not forced to reply...

and saying people have feeble minds then using the 'f'word not once but twice ..classic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it did come from a market, especially after I watched a few videos of wet markets.

Makes me think why hasn't it happened before though.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Post your credible evidence sources if you want to try to dispute the significant evidence that is published that shows this is a naturally occurring virus.

Authors, Publication, Date

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Post your credible evidence sources if you want to try to dispute the significant evidence that is published that shows this is a naturally occurring virus.

Authors, Publication, Date"

I only listen to one guy,I listed to his podcast,the Osterholm Update, this man's credentials are second to none, he says its definitely not man made, we haven't the technology to engineer this kind off virus, he also says a pangolin is the most likely animal it came from

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Post your credible evidence sources if you want to try to dispute the significant evidence that is published that shows this is a naturally occurring virus.

Authors, Publication, Date

I only listen to one guy,I listed to his podcast,the Osterholm Update, this man's credentials are second to none, he says its definitely not man made, we haven't the technology to engineer this kind off virus, he also says a pangolin is the most likely animal it came from"

https://youtu.be/CfBhk-9OcrU

Listen to him explain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it did come from a market, especially after I watched a few videos of wet markets.

Makes me think why hasn't it happened before though. "

It has happened before, bird flu among a few others that have came from Asian wet markets mainly Chinese ones

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By *layfull pairingCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I reckon a proper man made virus would be more lethal than this Covid19.... man is very very good at killing things ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I reckon a proper man made virus would be more lethal than this Covid19.... man is very very good at killing things .. "

We couldn't engineer a virus this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news."

no what you will find is a lot of people are actually researching and that doesn't include facebook twitter youtube or any of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news."

You do know Jon hopkins University and the CDC in America have YouTube channels specifically for covid updates

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news.

no what you will find is a lot of people are actually researching and that doesn't include facebook twitter youtube or any of them "

Those groups are mutually exclusive - there are an awful lot - just seeing the drivel earlier in this thread - who don't appear to pursue credible sources of data. The fact this thread question is asked, highlights how little is known and understood by many.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news.

no what you will find is a lot of people are actually researching and that doesn't include facebook twitter youtube or any of them

Those groups are mutually exclusive - there are an awful lot - just seeing the drivel earlier in this thread - who don't appear to pursue credible sources of data. The fact this thread question is asked, highlights how little is known and understood by many. "

YouTube is full of credible doctors and experts, like I said about that CDC and Jon hopkins have covid channels on there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news.

no what you will find is a lot of people are actually researching and that doesn't include facebook twitter youtube or any of them "

Okay. I was using YouTube as an example.

It feels like more people believe conspiracies than are interested in learning the science behind what's going on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no what you will find is a lot of people are actually researching and that doesn't include facebook twitter youtube or any of them "

You can call it researching but in reality it’s like asking “Dr Google” What’s wrong with me? When you are feeling unwell... you will discover very quickly your simple cough could be lung cancer, sore knee is a triple silocation etc etc...

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Of the original 41 hospital patients in wuhan, 13 of them did have any contact with the market, it was one of the original infection points not the only infection point, and scientists admit they have no idea where it came from only that the genome is closest found in horseshoe bats

Source The Lancet

Personally I still think it came out of the B4 lab in wastewater "

The only problem with that is the virus is meant to have been found in frozen sewage samples from much earlier in 2019 and they weren't from China.

Doubt we will ever know for certain.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news.

no what you will find is a lot of people are actually researching and that doesn't include facebook twitter youtube or any of them

Those groups are mutually exclusive - there are an awful lot - just seeing the drivel earlier in this thread - who don't appear to pursue credible sources of data. The fact this thread question is asked, highlights how little is known and understood by many.

YouTube is full of credible doctors and experts, like I said about that CDC and Jon hopkins have covid channels on there"

I wasn't thinking of your posts Dash! It's others who insist it's man made after seeing nothing credible

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Of the original 41 hospital patients in wuhan, 13 of them did have any contact with the market, it was one of the original infection points not the only infection point, and scientists admit they have no idea where it came from only that the genome is closest found in horseshoe bats

Source The Lancet

Personally I still think it came out of the B4 lab in wastewater

The only problem with that is the virus is meant to have been found in frozen sewage samples from much earlier in 2019 and they weren't from China.

Doubt we will ever know for certain.

"

It was in Spain and deemed to be contamination of the sample prior to testing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there is one thing this pandemic has highlighted, it's how many people use YouTube conspiracy theory channels, as their main source of news.

no what you will find is a lot of people are actually researching and that doesn't include facebook twitter youtube or any of them

Those groups are mutually exclusive - there are an awful lot - just seeing the drivel earlier in this thread - who don't appear to pursue credible sources of data. The fact this thread question is asked, highlights how little is known and understood by many.

YouTube is full of credible doctors and experts, like I said about that CDC and Jon hopkins have covid channels on there

I wasn't thinking of your posts Dash! It's others who insist it's man made after seeing nothing credible "

Ahhhh my apologies Sophie,a virus like this can not be engineered by us..... Yet

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Of the original 41 hospital patients in wuhan, 13 of them did have any contact with the market, it was one of the original infection points not the only infection point, and scientists admit they have no idea where it came from only that the genome is closest found in horseshoe bats

Source The Lancet

Personally I still think it came out of the B4 lab in wastewater

The only problem with that is the virus is meant to have been found in frozen sewage samples from much earlier in 2019 and they weren't from China.

Doubt we will ever know for certain.

"

It's possible imo that we'll not specifically know the first link from animals to humans - it can be evaluated scientifically but the first person could have been healthy and had no symptoms.

This virus has existed for several decades according to the credible research done. Humans haven't had the contact with the bats that would have been needed, assuming there was no intermediate species, until recently. When we encroached onto their virgin territory, with expansion of our civilisation in China. That and the increased 'farming' of wildlife there, brought us into direct contact with the bats etc that would be able to let it jump between species.

There's been a little mutation in the virus this year but its solid ancestry is understood and thus we can trace its pathway from earlier coronaviruses.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Of the original 41 hospital patients in wuhan, 13 of them did have any contact with the market, it was one of the original infection points not the only infection point, and scientists admit they have no idea where it came from only that the genome is closest found in horseshoe bats

Source The Lancet

Personally I still think it came out of the B4 lab in wastewater

The only problem with that is the virus is meant to have been found in frozen sewage samples from much earlier in 2019 and they weren't from China.

Doubt we will ever know for certain.

It was in Spain and deemed to be contamination of the sample prior to testing."

The misinformation is like a flow of sewage.

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By *havennaturistsCouple
over a year ago

Banff

When a virus comes along that kills more people than recover from it, we'll all look back starry eyed on these wonderful days of freedom from worry.

Everything in life is relative.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Of the original 41 hospital patients in wuhan, 13 of them did have any contact with the market, it was one of the original infection points not the only infection point, and scientists admit they have no idea where it came from only that the genome is closest found in horseshoe bats

Source The Lancet

Personally I still think it came out of the B4 lab in wastewater

The only problem with that is the virus is meant to have been found in frozen sewage samples from much earlier in 2019 and they weren't from China.

Doubt we will ever know for certain.

It was in Spain and deemed to be contamination of the sample prior to testing."

Also found in Brazil and Italy , as I said we will never know the truth, is Elvis really dead ? Who really killed JFK? Did we really land on the moon?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Of the original 41 hospital patients in wuhan, 13 of them did have any contact with the market, it was one of the original infection points not the only infection point, and scientists admit they have no idea where it came from only that the genome is closest found in horseshoe bats

Source The Lancet

Personally I still think it came out of the B4 lab in wastewater

The only problem with that is the virus is meant to have been found in frozen sewage samples from much earlier in 2019 and they weren't from China.

Doubt we will ever know for certain.

It was in Spain and deemed to be contamination of the sample prior to testing.

Also found in Brazil and Italy , as I said we will never know the truth, is Elvis really dead ? Who really killed JFK? Did we really land on the moon? "

What we DO know is that a new strain has been found in mink.

Possibly they were bred in a Chinese lab ?

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By *om girlCouple (FF)
over a year ago

South Yorkshire

All over years they have new virus that mutate and get stronger

And other habe been worse than covid

And no lockdown measures

Man mess with science and i wouldnt be shocked if was made in a lab or nature doing what its always done and killed off the weak and old

Look up what ive put about death by other deadly virus

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By *heCheekyDevilMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

1st confirmed case is in November 19 - Paris & 1st recorded example of SARS COV2 was in sewerage in Madrid March19 - so we had been living with it unnoticed for a year anyway.

The reaction is totally un-proportional.

The damage to mental health, livelihoods & Small/Medium Businesses has been catastrophic, I cycled through the nearest city centre (Sunderland) yesterday & a quarter of businesses have closed down.

so add the greater burden of social security & the billions paid by the government on this (including testing which is not fit for purpose anyway) with the decade of austerity we had prior as the UK was supposedly skint - it doesn't add up.

it will take another 10 year of austerity now to try & recover already. possibly longer.

So I ask you why is the government bankrupting the country over something with a mortality rate similar to Influenza?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"1st confirmed case is in November 19 - Paris & 1st recorded example of SARS COV2 was in sewerage in Madrid March19 - so we had been living with it unnoticed for a year anyway.

The reaction is totally un-proportional.

The damage to mental health, livelihoods & Small/Medium Businesses has been catastrophic, I cycled through the nearest city centre (Sunderland) yesterday & a quarter of businesses have closed down.

so add the greater burden of social security & the billions paid by the government on this (including testing which is not fit for purpose anyway) with the decade of austerity we had prior as the UK was supposedly skint - it doesn't add up.

it will take another 10 year of austerity now to try & recover already. possibly longer.

So I ask you why is the government bankrupting the country over something with a mortality rate similar to Influenza?"

In simple terms that hopefully you can understand.

They are bankrupting the country TO KEEP the mortality as low as flu

Without bankrupting the country it could be 10 or 100 or 1000 times higher than flu

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1st confirmed case is in November 19 - Paris & 1st recorded example of SARS COV2 was in sewerage in Madrid March19 - so we had been living with it unnoticed for a year anyway.

The reaction is totally un-proportional.

The damage to mental health, livelihoods & Small/Medium Businesses has been catastrophic, I cycled through the nearest city centre (Sunderland) yesterday & a quarter of businesses have closed down.

so add the greater burden of social security & the billions paid by the government on this (including testing which is not fit for purpose anyway) with the decade of austerity we had prior as the UK was supposedly skint - it doesn't add up.

it will take another 10 year of austerity now to try & recover already. possibly longer.

So I ask you why is the government bankrupting the country over something with a mortality rate similar to Influenza?"

I don't agree with a lot of what you said.

For example Influenza has a similar mortality rate, but was way less infectious.

But this virus is beyond the Tories wildest dreams, the perfect cover up and distraction from the Brexit mess. And the perfect scapegoat for all the forthcoming business closures, austerity, cost to the economy etc.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

I'm sticking with the theory it was samples of the moon grabbed by the Chinese in a moonshot mission a while ago, virus is in frozen ice dust particles brought back to earth, escapes from a Wuhan lab waste into the nearby river gets into the food chain via the markets then kaboom.

Alternatively lab technician contracts it from samples, direct human to human contact outside lab then kaboom.

The virus could have been about scince July 1969.

Who knows it could have finished off the last of dinosaurs after the body it was riding on hit the earth, some ending up on the moon only to be brought to earth by man years later.

After all how do they store a virus sample .....in a frozen contianer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

There are indeed many theories

The truth is well publicised and that's why it's not in the news anymore.

The wet market theory was the Chinese governments initial theory. The lab escape is still a theory no real proof for it but no absolute proof it didn't. The most widely accepted theory was it was a bat virus that mutated via at least one species before infecting humans. The pangolin being the favourite. What is this well publicised truth ? As far as i know there is no definitive truth as yet on how covid originated."

And it's become widely accepted that it was around 6-9 months in outlying villages where people died without a second thought to the cause, before it appeared in the dense population the big outbreak in Wouhan. This would account for the advanced stage at which the virus was when first detected.

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By *andlingswingersCouple
over a year ago

Woodbridge


"You would have thought if it was man made and escaped out of a lab the people that created it would know it's makeup and be able to stop it.

Why would they want to stop it? The whole point of the virus is to kill."

Yes, the Chinese government obviously set-out to kill their own people by letting a virus that kills at most 2% of the people it infects out in um.....China.

Right.........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You would have thought if it was man made and escaped out of a lab the people that created it would know it's makeup and be able to stop it.

Why would they want to stop it? The whole point of the virus is to kill.

Yes, the Chinese government obviously set-out to kill their own people by letting a virus that kills at most 2% of the people it infects out in um.....China.

Right........."

If it meant them taking over as the world super power I'm sure they'd take the hit ....For the greater good an all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In March it was reported on the news that the origins of the virus were traced to a meat market in China. A few months later it was reported, also on the news, that there was forensic evidence that the virus was actually created in a Chinese laboratory and ‘escaped’ either accidentally or by design. Since then there’s been very little or nothing said about it in the media and it no longer seems to be an important issue.

There are currently many theories as to how and when the virus started but the 'facts' haven't really been reported. I realize that it doesn’t really matter how / when the virus started but you’d think that there would have been more said about it on the news and in the media in general, unless nobody really knows the facts?

the big mistake your making is believing the news they only repeat what they are told to say . their is a lot of evidence that the virus was created in a wuhan lab with investment from bill gates but to make up for that good old bill gates also invested in novavacs the company the british government have done a deal with for the vaccine / cure dont take my word for it research it your self .

imagine the profits the company with the cure will make oh and if you do bother to research any of what i have mentioned please have a look at how bill gates is a believer in eugenics

Excellent example of what happens when you choose to believe the rhubarb instead of sticking to the science.

"

Poor bill gets the blame for everything yet nobody gives him credit for being on the verge of eradicating polio from the human race

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

Poor bill gets the blame for everything yet nobody gives him credit for being on the verge of eradicating polio from the human race "

I'm a big fan of Bill Gates, my life would be much more gloomy if he hadn't invented Windows.

Cal

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By *indobona_1TV/TS
over a year ago

Tring

Surely if the virus was designed and built in the Wuhan lab, surely 'Made in China' would be visible in the core or DNA sequence under a good electron microscope?

I have a theory that due to the eating habits of Han Chinese and other neighbouring contrypeople, they may have a natural immunity to the virus resulting in a relatively low case rate, lockdown notwithstanding. Species jump, I believe, is likely as with BSE some years ago. Batburger anyone?

Of course, in China and N. Korea, there may also be the Party's desire to understate numbers.

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