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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system..." So contradicting what gove said yday? I think there will be too much pressure on him for it too last much longer. | |||
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"Three tiers for Boris.... Hip hip....... "  | |||
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"It might be 6 tiers though with No6 as full lockdown. The reality is who knows it wll depend more on what people do rather than what they are told they should do. " Yes, we'll probably all be in the highest tier! | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system..." He is trying to keep his back benchers happy, telling them what they and their constituents want to hear... he knows by 2nd December numbers will be much worse than they are now and an extension is inevitable. Having not tied lockdown with half term they missed the boat. Call Santa and let him know Christmas is cancelled. | |||
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"we may come out of lockdown on the 2nd if everybody behaves and strictly follows the guidance but this is England so no chance of that happening " Yes... | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... So contradicting what gove said yday? I think there will be too much pressure on him for it too last much longer."  | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... So contradicting what gove said yday? I think there will be too much pressure on him for it too last much longer." There will be too much pressure on hospitals for it to end...  | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... He is trying to keep his back benchers happy, telling them what they and their constituents want to hear... he knows by 2nd December numbers will be much worse than they are now and an extension is inevitable. Having not tied lockdown with half term they missed the boat. Call Santa and let him know Christmas is cancelled. " Yes I have to agree... | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... He is trying to keep his back benchers happy, telling them what they and their constituents want to hear... he knows by 2nd December numbers will be much worse than they are now and an extension is inevitable. Having not tied lockdown with half term they missed the boat. Call Santa and let him know Christmas is cancelled. " And if that happens..a lot will turn on him. | |||
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"It might be 6 tiers though with No6 as full lockdown. The reality is who knows it wll depend more on what people do rather than what they are told they should do. Yes, we'll probably all be in the highest tier!" Suspect that will depend on where you live. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system..." 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. " I think those two 'groups' don't figure, it's health v wealth and trying to keep a balance to maintain a government in just over four years time.. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. " Yes I agree... | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. " Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. " Who do you listen too..scientists or the likes of Ian Duncan Smith? It's a tough one. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. " What kind of dipstick would want the job of running a country in the first place? I believe anyone who wants the job as a PM or a President should automatically be discounted as a suitable candidate!! This false hope is setting up the conditions for additional mental torture and a potentially disastrous kick back. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit " It's certainly not helpful | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit " He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! | |||
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"why can't people get it into their heads that we will have this virus with us for months. more likely years? " I think the majority have accepted that . | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us !" | |||
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"It might be 6 tiers though with No6 as full lockdown. The reality is who knows it wll depend more on what people do rather than what they are told they should do. Yes, we'll probably all be in the highest tier!" You have as little faith as i have then in people social distancing for real and not just saying they are.  | |||
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"why can't people get it into their heads that we will have this virus with us for months. more likely years? I think the majority have accepted that ." Hope for the best but expect the worst | |||
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"why can't people get it into their heads that we will have this virus with us for months. more likely years? I think the majority have accepted that ." it's not a difficult concept to grasp. A reliable vaccine is years away | |||
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"It might be 6 tiers though with No6 as full lockdown. The reality is who knows it wll depend more on what people do rather than what they are told they should do. Yes, we'll probably all be in the highest tier! You have as little faith as i have then in people social distancing for real and not just saying they are. "I do have little faith in others... | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us !" SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises " That would be a 1st tbf | |||
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"If just one MP steps out of line and breaks the rules political authority will be rapidly diminshed this time around. I hope the party leaders have spoken to their members. " Does that apply to chief advisors as well? | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises " He will never admit he was wrong. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong." what person involved in politics would? | |||
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"why can't people get it into their heads that we will have this virus with us for months. more likely years? " Of course it will, even with a vaccine this virus is here to stay. The challenge is getting us past this stage when the virus is able to spread exponentially without getting in a position of having 50,000 people in need of 10,000 care beds. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong." Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes | |||
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"If just one MP steps out of line and breaks the rules political authority will be rapidly diminshed this time around. I hope the party leaders have spoken to their members. Does that apply to chief advisors as well? " That reference has been done to death. I am referring to MPs who we elect. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes " nobody involved in politics would do that | |||
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"If just one MP steps out of line and breaks the rules political authority will be rapidly diminshed this time around. I hope the party leaders have spoken to their members. Does that apply to chief advisors as well? That reference has been done to death. I am referring to MPs who we elect. " | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us !" Agreed. From personal experience, when you have a group of equally qualified specialists telling you the same message but with different solutions it is not fun. Add in the fact that most specialists are just experts in THEIR area, not the responsibilities beyond, I do not envy any Govt. We have moved from early days mass faith in govt and fear of the disease (even for radicals) to rampant Covid Opportunism: how can I manipulate the situation to my longer term advantage, with statistics utilised for politics and money. They are *all* at it.  | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes " I doubt any party in power would be doing things differently. I dont agree with everything he is implementing but will do my bit and follow the rules . | |||
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"why can't people get it into their heads that we will have this virus with us for months. more likely years? Of course it will, even with a vaccine this virus is here to stay. The challenge is getting us past this stage when the virus is able to spread exponentially without getting in a position of having 50,000 people in need of 10,000 care beds." agreed | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that" Well Tony Blair did for a start | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa " I'm thinking this too  | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa " He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that Well Tony Blair did for a start " oh you're back | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that" So that’s ok then? This isn’t about ‘politics’ he is the PM in the middle of a global crisis , his mistakes are costing thousands of lives, if he isn’t following SAGE advice then who is he listening to? | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that Well Tony Blair did for a start oh you're back" Your on the ball today.. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that So that’s ok then? This isn’t about ‘politics’ he is the PM in the middle of a global crisis , his mistakes are costing thousands of lives, if he isn’t following SAGE advice then who is he listening to? " It's a ridiculous argument Oh they all lie/embezzle/ etc | |||
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"If just one MP steps out of line and breaks the rules political authority will be rapidly diminshed this time around. I hope the party leaders have spoken to their members. Does that apply to chief advisors as well? That reference has been done to death. I am referring to MPs who we elect. "Only MPs? Imagine thinking an MP has more influence on this government than Cummings, every decision Boris is making is down to him . I suppose he can do whatever he pleases , again | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... He is trying to keep his back benchers happy, telling them what they and their constituents want to hear... he knows by 2nd December numbers will be much worse than they are now and an extension is inevitable. Having not tied lockdown with half term they missed the boat. Call Santa and let him know Christmas is cancelled. " Numbers that are from the pre-lockdown period will take some time to surface, with the incubation and pre-symptomatic stage. Hospital admissions and any subsequent deaths should lag too. After 4 weeks we'd probably have felt hospitalization increaseas and first deaths but they'd likely continue. But infection numbers should start to fall through the 4 weeks. Those numbers will be seen and issued daily. There's no good reason why those numbers wouldn't fall alot, if people are largely just infecting people they live with, once confined to home. If infection rates fall, that could be seen as being successful and reducing future hospital admissions sufficiently. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system..." He's a compulsive liar ... | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris" ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that Well Tony Blair did for a start oh you're back Your on the ball today.. "how did you enjoy your ban? | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers " No..my guess we will go back into the tier system once we get into december..with maybe the worst hit areas staying on stage 3? Who knows. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that So that’s ok then? This isn’t about ‘politics’ he is the PM in the middle of a global crisis , his mistakes are costing thousands of lives, if he isn’t following SAGE advice then who is he listening to? " love how everybody is just looking to blame everybody else instead of working together to find a solution | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers " Tend to agree, the various regions have been asking for weeks what the criteria is for lifting them and there's been nothing from government.. | |||
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Only MPs? Imagine thinking an MP has more influence on this government than Cummings, every decision Boris is making is down to him . I suppose he can do whatever he pleases , again "I am not referring to influence on government. I am referring to the general public. | |||
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Only MPs? Imagine thinking an MP has more influence on this government than Cummings, every decision Boris is making is down to him . I suppose he can do whatever he pleases , again
I am not referring to influence on government. I am referring to the general public. "He has an influence on the general public, he made a live statement from number 10 last time, why do you think he did that ? He is more well known than every MP apart from Boris | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that So that’s ok then? This isn’t about ‘politics’ he is the PM in the middle of a global crisis , his mistakes are costing thousands of lives, if he isn’t following SAGE advice then who is he listening to? love how everybody is just looking to blame everybody else instead of working together to find a solution What are you doing to find solution? Maybe you can get a job on SAGE committee as your obviously better qualified than the current members
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well I'm not on here trying to do some school playground point scoring
What are you doing then? What are you contributing? "I'm not getting my militant knickers in a twist for a start | |||
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well I'm not on here trying to do some school playground point scoring
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I'm not getting my militant knickers in a twist for a start"Right, so your telling me what you aren’t doing but not actually contributing anything at all. | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers Tend to agree, the various regions have been asking for weeks what the criteria is for lifting them and there's been nothing from government.. I think if I remember rightly it was a 28 day review of each tier and the lowering of the R number, but to what level the R number needs to be to drop to a lower tier isn’t clear. " Yes think that's what they wanted to know.. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises He will never admit he was wrong. Then he will continue to make the same mistakes, I think he is an awful PM and leader but I would have respect for him and this government if they would admit and learn from their mistakes nobody involved in politics would do that So that’s ok then? This isn’t about ‘politics’ he is the PM in the middle of a global crisis , his mistakes are costing thousands of lives, if he isn’t following SAGE advice then who is he listening to? love how everybody is just looking to blame everybody else instead of working together to find a solution What are you doing to find solution? Maybe you can get a job on SAGE committee as your obviously better qualified than the current members
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers Tend to agree, the various regions have been asking for weeks what the criteria is for lifting them and there's been nothing from government.. I think if I remember rightly it was a 28 day review of each tier and the lowering of the R number, but to what level the R number needs to be to drop to a lower tier isn’t clear. " No he hasn't made that clear... | |||
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"If just one MP steps out of line and breaks the rules political authority will be rapidly diminshed this time around. I hope the party leaders have spoken to their members. Does that apply to chief advisors as well? That reference has been done to death. I am referring to MPs who we elect.
Only MPs? Imagine thinking an MP has more influence on this government than Cummings, every decision Boris is making is down to him . I suppose he can do whatever he pleases , again
I am not referring to influence on government. I am referring to the general public.
He has an influence on the general public, he made a live statement from number 10 last time, why do you think he did that ? He is more well known than every MP apart from Boris "You seem obsessed with the man. We are entering a new period with new rules with effectively a reset.My point is that elected politicians will lose the support of the people to lock down if they vote for measures today that they dont follow themselves. I for one hope they are all ultra careful. | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers Tend to agree, the various regions have been asking for weeks what the criteria is for lifting them and there's been nothing from government.. I think if I remember rightly it was a 28 day review of each tier and the lowering of the R number, but to what level the R number needs to be to drop to a lower tier isn’t clear. Yes think that's what they wanted to know.." It would be a lot clearer to all if the R level numbers for each tier were published, ie T1 1-1.2, T2 1.3-1.5, T3 1.6 and above. Although it is only one factor of the decision to move into tiers, I think | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers Tend to agree, the various regions have been asking for weeks what the criteria is for lifting them and there's been nothing from government.. I think if I remember rightly it was a 28 day review of each tier and the lowering of the R number, but to what level the R number needs to be to drop to a lower tier isn’t clear. Yes think that's what they wanted to know.. It would be a lot clearer to all if the R level numbers for each tier were published, ie T1 1-1.2, T2 1.3-1.5, T3 1.6 and above. Although it is only one factor of the decision to move into tiers, I think " It needs clarification, after the mixed messages up to that point it needed to be specific.. It's like saying to a teenager, your grounded but not giving a time on it.. | |||
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"If just one MP steps out of line and breaks the rules political authority will be rapidly diminshed this time around. I hope the party leaders have spoken to their members. Does that apply to chief advisors as well? That reference has been done to death. I am referring to MPs who we elect.
Only MPs? Imagine thinking an MP has more influence on this government than Cummings, every decision Boris is making is down to him . I suppose he can do whatever he pleases , again
I am not referring to influence on government. I am referring to the general public.
He has an influence on the general public, he made a live statement from number 10 last time, why do you think he did that ? He is more well known than every MP apart from Boris
You seem obsessed with the man. We are entering a new period with new rules with effectively a reset.My point is that elected politicians will lose the support of the people to lock down if they vote for measures today that they dont follow themselves. I for one hope they are all ultra careful. "I am not obsessed, he made headline news when he visited Barnard Castle, any other advisor would have been sacked if he doesn’t follow the rules it will definitely make the news again, why is that ? Yes I agree, they all have to be very very careful, people are starting to get COVID fatigue, it wouldn’t take much for them to rebel against the lockdown | |||
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"If anyone thinks we are going to come out of lockdown on 2nd December (it’s a 28 review date) and no tiers in place, they will be very much mistaken. Unless numbers drop drastically I think the tiers you are already in will remain, with possibly some tier 3s dropping to T2 or vice versa He has reiterated lockdown is lifted on the 2nd And a man of his word is our boris ..... but that isn’t removal of tiers Tend to agree, the various regions have been asking for weeks what the criteria is for lifting them and there's been nothing from government.. I think if I remember rightly it was a 28 day review of each tier and the lowering of the R number, but to what level the R number needs to be to drop to a lower tier isn’t clear. Yes think that's what they wanted to know.. It would be a lot clearer to all if the R level numbers for each tier were published, ie T1 1-1.2, T2 1.3-1.5, T3 1.6 and above. Although it is only one factor of the decision to move into tiers, I think It needs clarification, after the mixed messages up to that point it needed to be specific.. It's like saying to a teenager, your grounded but not giving a time on it.." Agree, if the parameters for each tier were clear people might actually take some notice, work towards a joint goal, just like with kids if you reach this goal you get rewarded; in this case a drop to the lower tier and a bit more freedom of movement if you don’t then you stay where you are. | |||
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once christmas is out of the way we will have something like a lockdown in Jan.
then another one before easter.
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well I'm not on here trying to do some school playground point scoring
What are you doing then? What are you contributing?
I'm not getting my militant knickers in a twist for a start
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well I'm not on here trying to do some school playground point scoring
What are you doing then? What are you contributing?
I'm not getting my militant knickers in a twist for a start
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"anybody can say we should have locked down weeks ago, but if I said you will be out of a job the day after would you be so keen. It will always be a juggling act between economy and lives, at the end of the day the nation will be virtually bankrupt, mass housing repossessions, education not worth the paper it's written on and anyone under 40 will have no money as taxes will rise." It will always be a juggling act, that's the sad thing... | |||
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"Boris is getting called all sorts and I'm not backing him here, but, he seems to have lost his spark and bounce, I dont think he is 100% well, admittedly it's a bloody hard job but if hes not 100% fit maybe he should stand aside." I give him till March then he'll let someone else deal with us | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... He is trying to keep his back benchers happy, telling them what they and their constituents want to hear... he knows by 2nd December numbers will be much worse than they are now and an extension is inevitable. Having not tied lockdown with half term they missed the boat. Call Santa and let him know Christmas is cancelled. " I really have to agree with all this - apart from the bit about Santa who we all know is immune to everything and will carry on delivering presents and good cheer regardless. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... He is trying to keep his back benchers happy, telling them what they and their constituents want to hear... he knows by 2nd December numbers will be much worse than they are now and an extension is inevitable. Having not tied lockdown with half term they missed the boat. Call Santa and let him know Christmas is cancelled. Numbers that are from the pre-lockdown period will take some time to surface, with the incubation and pre-symptomatic stage. Hospital admissions and any subsequent deaths should lag too. After 4 weeks we'd probably have felt hospitalization increaseas and first deaths but they'd likely continue. But infection numbers should start to fall through the 4 weeks. Those numbers will be seen and issued daily. There's no good reason why those numbers wouldn't fall alot, if people are largely just infecting people they live with, once confined to home. If infection rates fall, that could be seen as being successful and reducing future hospital admissions sufficiently. " Numbers will certainly increase for the first 2 weeks as these cases will already be baked in by Wednesday night. At best cases will start to level off over the following 2 weeks limited to in household transmission... even if the number of new transmissions that occurs on 3rd December is greatly below the number today, the number of positive tests and deaths on 3rd December will be much much higher than the figures today. We did not see a big drop by week 4 in the first lockdown and that did not have education open, it did not have growing Covid fatigue weakening compliance and it was during the period when respiratory illnesses start to decline not start to peak! 4 weeks simply will not cut the mustard. Relaxation immediately prior to the Christmas retail peak and with still relative high number of cases would create a massive spike later in January. As I said, SAGE was right Borris has left it too late and the result is a cancelled Christmas | |||
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"anybody can say we should have locked down weeks ago, but if I said you will be out of a job the day after would you be so keen. It will always be a juggling act between economy and lives, at the end of the day the nation will be virtually bankrupt, mass housing repossessions, education not worth the paper it's written on and anyone under 40 will have no money as taxes will rise." Thing is though that Boris has hid behind the banner of "Following the Science" until 40 days ago | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises " No Sage suggested a lockdown but also stated that there were other considerations (such as the economy that they could not comment on) to take into account. People like to make out it was a simple binary choice, rather than a fine balance. | |||
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". So contradicting what gove said yday? I think there will be too much pressure on him for it too last much longer." It isn't the first time what the PM said flatly contradicts or is flatly contradicted by one of his Ministers, very soon after. But there is no pressure on him. He has an 80 seat majority. All the little Captain Mainwearings gave him an 80 seat majority to do exactly as he pleased, knowing perfectly well he is a liar with a track record of failure as London mayor, a man who has six children by six partners, who calls gay men 'tank-topped busboys' and who calls black people 'picanninies with watermelon smiles.' Johnson doesn't do pressure. He does whatever suits him that day, because people wanted to hear his rubbish. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... So contradicting what gove said yday? I think there will be too much pressure on him for it too last much longer. There will be too much pressure on hospitals for it to end... "But it's only like flu isn't it so no problems at all... Anyone fancy coming to my rave? It's next to Bill Gates 5g mast. | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... 13 days ago, he said we would not go into lockdown again. He has to try to balance lockdown- loathers and lockdown-lovers. It's an unenviable job and whatever he does, some will say it's totally wrong. Why did he have to say 13 days ago that we wouldn’t go into another lockdown? He keeps shooting himself in the foot with his promises abs bull shit He only repeats what his advisers tell him. I dont think anyone knows what the hell is going on. God help us ! SAGE told him to have a lockdown in late September. I know this is a very difficult situation but he needs to start admitting his mistakes and stop making false promises No Sage suggested a lockdown but also stated that there were other considerations (such as the economy that they could not comment on) to take into account. People like to make out it was a simple binary choice, rather than a fine balance. " Surely the primary concern from the scientists would be the virus? I'm guessing he has people on the other side to think of the economy. He was told to lock down 2 weeks for a circuit break. He ignored this and then comes out and says they are following the science. | |||
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"the worst thing about all this cock up is that the public have lost any faith they had in our leaders, what ever party they may be, or maybe its a good thing, and a shake up is needed? It’s a bloody amazing thing!!! Seeing the Torys for what they are? Hopefully people will make better voting decisions next time. The guardian did a vox pox in various red wall areas and asked how would you vote now. To a man ,they said the same way. Meh it’s called Tory shame ... would you admit to voting for this shower of shite" They all did! | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... So contradicting what gove said yday? I think there will be too much pressure on him for it too last much longer. half the country thinks he needs to bow to pressure and the other half think he needs to get a backbone and do it right like him or not how is it possible to win Maybe attending important meetings when it began and not being 2 and a half late for his own preference, may go so way to garnering support?" Erm being a strong leader ... look and New Zealand sure the population is different but she’s stood up and is with the people - taken a pay cut, sacked who needs to be sacked and been tough when needed. That’s what a leader looks like. Ours just hides in a fridge | |||
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"...is speaking on tv now..he says the lockdown will end on 2nd December and we will go back to the tier system... So contradicting what gove said yday? I think there will be too much pressure on him for it too last much longer. half the country thinks he needs to bow to pressure and the other half think he needs to get a backbone and do it right like him or not how is it possible to win Maybe attending important meetings when it began and not being 2 and a half late for his own preference, may go so way to garnering support? to be honest im not defending boris personally i dont like him so digging out examples of how he is crap doesn’t really achieve anything take the party/ the person out of the equation and look at just the scenario... its literally lose lose ... even in peoples own heads its a fight between what they want and what they need" I'm not pretending it's an easy job. But you want the top job,you have to be able to handle what comes your way. I personally think he will gone in 6 months time anyway. | |||
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"Well I think he’s doing as best he can in a lose/lose situation, surrounded by conflicting ‘scientific views’ and as someone said just up the page there, there is no-one else amongst any party at the moment who could lead the country out of this mess and inspire any real confidence ... I’m not saying Boris is great, but who else is there ? We could always give Diane Abbott a go or Sir Kieth ... we are a bit like the poor Americans..with very limited voting options ... maybe we should just try and get behind whatever leadership we have and go with their recommendations and just attempt to be decent beings .. as opposed to bitching about everything and looking for people to blame...which seems to be all the rage at the mo ... let’s face it, he locks down and everyone moans he’s wrecking the economy and suicide is going through the roof... he doesn’t lock down and he’s murdering the elderly and infirm... its a no win innit .. Cold day in hell before I ‘get behind’ Boris unless it’s to push him off a cliff - he is resolvable for thousands of deaths both covid and prior to. He burns £20 notes in front of homeless abs calls gay men ‘tank top wearing bum boys’ that’s who people voted for... " As is often the case in our elections, it is not so much voting for a political party as voting against one... I didn’t vote for Borris I voted against Corbyn | |||
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"As is often the case in our elections, it is not so much voting for a political party as voting against one... I didn’t vote for Borris I voted against Corbyn" This is entirely the problem with a two party system. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle without a viable political party. Labour going hard left to counter a hard right was just crazy IMO. Especially when the Tories will just say anything to get elected and then just do whatever benefits them most once in power. | |||
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"As is often the case in our elections, it is not so much voting for a political party as voting against one... I didn’t vote for Borris I voted against Corbyn This is entirely the problem with a two party system. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle without a viable political party. Labour going hard left to counter a hard right was just crazy IMO. *** Especially when the Tories will just say anything to get elected and then just do whatever benefits them most once in power. ***" *** Because Labour would never do that. | |||
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"Boris is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Whichever way he goes there are people who slate him. Many people are slagging him off left right and centre yet have no better idea of how to fix the situation. " Because its not their responsibility | |||
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"I reckon if Boris went on TV a month or two ago and said, “get your shit together and obey the rules or I lock down the country”. We’d be in a much better position. " Quite possibly | |||
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"As is often the case in our elections, it is not so much voting for a political party as voting against one... I didn’t vote for Borris I voted against Corbyn This is entirely the problem with a two party system. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle without a viable political party. Labour going hard left to counter a hard right was just crazy IMO. Especially when the Tories will just say anything to get elected and then just do whatever benefits them most once in power. " Increasing wage=hard left | |||
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