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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . " Ffs don't just post a link, post a synopsis also! | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . Ffs don't just post a link, post a synopsis also! " Fergus Walsh, Medical Editor at BBC Discusses some positive points- hospital admissions still fairly low even with increasing infections. People social distancing may mean less virus intake and therefore less severe illness. And possible negative of winter. People indoors, respiratory illnesses more likely. Long article, worth a read if you can.  | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . Ffs don't just post a link, post a synopsis also! Fergus Walsh, Medical Editor at BBC Discusses some positive points- hospital admissions still fairly low even with increasing infections. People social distancing may mean less virus intake and therefore less severe illness. And possible negative of winter. People indoors, respiratory illnesses more likely. Long article, worth a read if you can. "Thanks | |||
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"Read the article Cases are going up because they are testing more and finding more cases of people who have it but are not sick. Both hospitalisations and deaths are right down - that's the most important thing. Lets get the kids back to school, the students back to universities. and the office workers back in the office It's time to start normalising."  | |||
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"Read the article Cases are going up because they are testing more and finding more cases of people who have it but are not sick. Both hospitalisations and deaths are right down - that's the most important thing. Lets get the kids back to school, the students back to universities. and the office workers back in the office It's time to start normalising." Are you forgetting about the vulnerable people who are still too scared to leave their homes, the ones who don't want to die from covid-19, how many of us are still supporting vulnerable people? We cannot ignore their needs and safety. community matters | |||
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"Read the article Cases are going up because they are testing more and finding more cases of people who have it but are not sick. Both hospitalisations and deaths are right down - that's the most important thing. Lets get the kids back to school, the students back to universities. and the office workers back in the office It's time to start normalising." I would like to know what percentage of tests come back with a positive result. I know we're testing a lot more so we're finding more people who are carrying the infection, but is the percentage remaining the same or going up or down? I feel that is an appropriate question, and I haven't been able to find the answer. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . " Sorry what do you want as normal life? ? Are you saying all travel and encourage travellers in to London from around the world night clubs and theatre back open as before etc | |||
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"Read the article Cases are going up because they are testing more and finding more cases of people who have it but are not sick. Both hospitalisations and deaths are right down - that's the most important thing. Lets get the kids back to school, the students back to universities. and the office workers back in the office It's time to start normalising. Are you forgetting about the vulnerable people who are still too scared to leave their homes, the ones who don't want to die from covid-19, how many of us are still supporting vulnerable people? We cannot ignore their needs and safety. community matters" Every elderly person I've spoke to agree about getting everything moving again. They dont want local buisness going bust, they dont want kids losing out on anymore education, they dont want incress in depression/suicides, they dont want anyone else missimg out on any operations health mattets non covid related. They want things moving again and not have the world put on hold to protect them. | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal." Because peiple have lost jobs loosing their homes, social isolation, have limited or no dicusl networks, can't stand the direction this pandemic is taken and would rather die thsn live T like this... Judt a few thoughts | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal." Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. " Probably on furlough or got nothing to loose i should imagine with those thoughts and attitude | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. Probably on furlough or got nothing to loose i should imagine with those thoughts and attitude " To a point most people do look after number one, to pretend otherwise is naive.. | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. " Considering all evictions have been cancelled, nobody has lost their home because of the pandemic to date. And how am I sounding like I’m alright Jack? I’ve been lucky enough to work throughout the lockdown but i earn fuck all money and hear of people on the furlough laughing because of how much they’re earning for doing fuck all. I’ve not been able to see my parents throughout the lockdown except for at a distance so no hugging etc. People don’t need to be in social isolation,you just need to do things differently, like FaceTime or ZOOM rather than seeing people in person. I would have thought the slower pace of life would have helped those with mental health issues (I’ve had them in the past and I’ve absolutely preferred the quietness recently.) | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. Considering all evictions have been cancelled, nobody has lost their home because of the pandemic to date. And how am I sounding like I’m alright Jack? I’ve been lucky enough to work throughout the lockdown but i earn fuck all money and hear of people on the furlough laughing because of how much they’re earning for doing fuck all. I’ve not been able to see my parents throughout the lockdown except for at a distance so no hugging etc. People don’t need to be in social isolation,you just need to do things differently, like FaceTime or ZOOM rather than seeing people in person. I would have thought the slower pace of life would have helped those with mental health issues (I’ve had them in the past and I’ve absolutely preferred the quietness recently.) " They haven't cancelled evictions they are still there and when the scheme runs out thousands will have nowhere to live. Being stuck in the house is good for your mental health? Who knew. Mental illness cured, Karen of a facebook says being locked up in a house on your own is great for your mental health. | |||
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"There is no normalising. Get the students back to uni? Why? Lectures can be done online just as well and it's far better than sending a million people around the country from one place to another. There is no earthly need to work in an office when you can work online, better for work-life balance, better for the environment - the only thing more difficult is crawling up your boss's backside at work. Who knows, people might actually be judged on the merit of their work, instead of how often they went for coffee-and-a-chat-about-that-project. "Back to normal" is a fantasy. And a suicide cult. " Spoken by someone who has obviously never been a student. Students need that face to face teaching. Doing it all by zoom is a poor substitute. And many office workers dont want work from home. They don’t want to sit isolated all day and need the interaction with colleagues | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . " It’s definitely time people read more than the opening headline and paragraph in articles like this, yes. | |||
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"There is no normalising. Get the students back to uni? Why? Lectures can be done online just as well and it's far better than sending a million people around the country from one place to another. There is no earthly need to work in an office when you can work online, better for work-life balance, better for the environment - the only thing more difficult is crawling up your boss's backside at work. Who knows, people might actually be judged on the merit of their work, instead of how often they went for coffee-and-a-chat-about-that-project. "Back to normal" is a fantasy. And a suicide cult. Spoken by someone who has obviously never been a student. Students need that face to face teaching. Doing it all by zoom is a poor substitute. And many office workers dont want work from home. They don’t want to sit isolated all day and need the interaction with colleagues " Yes and any stress stays at home you can't leave it at the office | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. Probably on furlough or got nothing to loose i should imagine with those thoughts and attitude " ************************************ My thoughts exactly. Eva X | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal." there has been a huge rise in both. | |||
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"The BBC have fallen into the "we don't need lockdown, because lockdown works" camp" ????? | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. Considering all evictions have been cancelled, nobody has lost their home because of the pandemic to date. And how am I sounding like I’m alright Jack? I’ve been lucky enough to work throughout the lockdown but i earn fuck all money and hear of people on the furlough laughing because of how much they’re earning for doing fuck all. I’ve not been able to see my parents throughout the lockdown except for at a distance so no hugging etc. People don’t need to be in social isolation,you just need to do things differently, like FaceTime or ZOOM rather than seeing people in person. I would have thought the slower pace of life would have helped those with mental health issues (I’ve had them in the past and I’ve absolutely preferred the quietness recently.) " Evictions haven't been cancelled. Many are still losing their homes. Video calls are no substitute for physical contact. Even people with no precious mental health issues have been reporting issues. I'm glad you have enjoyed the shower pace of life but for many its been hell.... then you have the people that have ended up so scared they would rather take their own life than risk the virus. If your single it's even worse being expected to not have physical contact with others.. it's not sustainable at all. | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. Hmmm let's see. Maybe people losing their jobs and houses. People who already have mental illness problems being pushed over the edge. You sound very much like I'm alright jack kind of person. Considering all evictions have been cancelled, nobody has lost their home because of the pandemic to date. And how am I sounding like I’m alright Jack? I’ve been lucky enough to work throughout the lockdown but i earn fuck all money and hear of people on the furlough laughing because of how much they’re earning for doing fuck all. I’ve not been able to see my parents throughout the lockdown except for at a distance so no hugging etc. People don’t need to be in social isolation,you just need to do things differently, like FaceTime or ZOOM rather than seeing people in person. I would have thought the slower pace of life would have helped those with mental health issues (I’ve had them in the past and I’ve absolutely preferred the quietness recently.) Evictions haven't been cancelled. Many are still losing their homes. Video calls are no substitute for physical contact. Even people with no precious mental health issues have been reporting issues. I'm glad you have enjoyed the shower pace of life but for many its been hell.... then you have the people that have ended up so scared they would rather take their own life than risk the virus. If your single it's even worse being expected to not have physical contact with others.. it's not sustainable at all. " | |||
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"The normal that people want to get back to has for the foreseeable future gone.. Society is or has to be about more than the majority doing what they want as a couple of million people are forced to shield, looking at what the others are doing but unable to join in.. Nor can it be a full lockdown again obviously.. Not easy for any government to negotiate a route through.." | |||
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"Evictions haven't been cancelled. Many are still losing their homes. Video calls are no substitute for physical contact. Even people with no precious mental health issues have been reporting issues. I'm glad you have enjoyed the shower pace of life but for many its been hell.... then you have the people that have ended up so scared they would rather take their own life than risk the virus. If your single it's even worse being expected to not have physical contact with others.. it's not sustainable at all. " *************************************** Well said Dear Eva X | |||
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" I would have thought the slower pace of life would have helped those with mental health issues (I’ve had them in the past and I’ve absolutely preferred the quietness recently.) " You may think that way and you may prefer it, you are entitled to your opinion but you can't speak for everyone who is currently struggling with their mental health. It's great that you've enjoyed the peacefulness of lockdown but not everyone has and for some, it has been massively damaging causing either new problems or current ones to get worse. | |||
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"It is time to end the restrictions. How we do it is open for discussion but it must be done, swiftly & completely. An increasing number of people have had enough and are ignoring the 'guidelines' because they have reached the point where they are seeing past the blizzard of fear and making their own decisions. What, exactly, is the point of restricting adults from mixing when kids are mixing all day in schools and potentially bringing covid home at 4pm. Or of saying you can't go dancing but you can sit in a cinema for 2 hours. It's be seen to be doing something nonsense and it needs to stop. If they must do something it should be something we know works. Regular mass testing. Proof of test required before you can go socialising. The tech exists to do it but too many would rather sit at home on govt. handouts and wait for a miracle...." It must be done properly, that will require input from all those groups who will be left aside unless it's done to suit all in society.. Rushed legislation never ends well.. | |||
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"It is time to end the restrictions. How we do it is open for discussion but it must be done, swiftly & completely. An increasing number of people have had enough and are ignoring the 'guidelines' because they have reached the point where they are seeing past the blizzard of fear and making their own decisions. What, exactly, is the point of restricting adults from mixing when kids are mixing all day in schools and potentially bringing covid home at 4pm. Or of saying you can't go dancing but you can sit in a cinema for 2 hours. It's be seen to be doing something nonsense and it needs to stop. If they must do something it should be something we know works. Regular mass testing. Proof of test required before you can go socialising. The tech exists to do it but too many would rather sit at home on govt. handouts and wait for a miracle...." The virus doesn't give a damn if you are fed up with restrictions. If you undid everything right now and carry on as before, 10's of thousands will dies again. You might think the technology for continuous mass testing exists but having this rolled out across the country is time consuming, look back at the time to get basic testing up to a sensible level. Whether you like it or not you will just have to wait. Having a hissy fit and refusing to abide by law only means you will put up with more restrictions for longer. They are trying to open up, the public is making that harder. | |||
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" The virus doesn't give a damn if you are fed up with restrictions. If you undid everything right now and carry on as before, 10's of thousands will dies again. You might think the technology for continuous mass testing exists but having this rolled out across the country is time consuming, look back at the time to get basic testing up to a sensible level. Whether you like it or not you will just have to wait. Having a hissy fit and refusing to abide by law only means you will put up with more restrictions for longer. They are trying to open up, the public is making that harder." You and I will never agree. Let's leave it at that. | |||
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" It must be done properly, that will require input from all those groups who will be left aside unless it's done to suit all in society.. Rushed legislation never ends well.." You mean like the Coronavirus Act 2020 
I didn't suggest leaving anyone aside. In point of fact, I suggested a route that specifically minimizes risk for everyone while allowing people to live near-normal lives (no restrictions, just regular testing & a requirement to prove a negative test if you want to do some high-risk things).
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . It’s definitely time people read more than the opening headline and paragraph in articles like this, yes. " | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . It’s definitely time people read more than the opening headline and paragraph in articles like this, yes. " Many on here don't have the reading and concentration skills to read a long article and follow an argument. They need it chopped up into convenient sound bites for them. | |||
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"It is time to end the restrictions. How we do it is open for discussion but it must be done, swiftly & completely. An increasing number of people have had enough and are ignoring the 'guidelines' because they have reached the point where they are seeing past the blizzard of fear and making their own decisions. What, exactly, is the point of restricting adults from mixing when kids are mixing all day in schools and potentially bringing covid home at 4pm. Or of saying you can't go dancing but you can sit in a cinema for 2 hours. It's be seen to be doing something nonsense and it needs to stop. If they must do something it should be something we know works. Regular mass testing. Proof of test required before you can go socialising. The tech exists to do it but too many would rather sit at home on govt. handouts and wait for a miracle.... The virus doesn't give a damn if you are fed up with restrictions. If you undid everything right now and carry on as before, 10's of thousands will dies again. You might think the technology for continuous mass testing exists but having this rolled out across the country is time consuming, look back at the time to get basic testing up to a sensible level. Whether you like it or not you will just have to wait. Having a hissy fit and refusing to abide by law only means you will put up with more restrictions for longer. They are trying to open up, the public is making that harder." Totally agree | |||
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"It is time to end the restrictions. How we do it is open for discussion but it must be done, swiftly & completely. An increasing number of people have had enough and are ignoring the 'guidelines' because they have reached the point where they are seeing past the blizzard of fear and making their own decisions. What, exactly, is the point of restricting adults from mixing when kids are mixing all day in schools and potentially bringing covid home at 4pm. Or of saying you can't go dancing but you can sit in a cinema for 2 hours. It's be seen to be doing something nonsense and it needs to stop. If they must do something it should be something we know works. Regular mass testing. Proof of test required before you can go socialising. The tech exists to do it but too many would rather sit at home on govt. handouts and wait for a miracle...." Erm - it's not peoples fault that they are sitting at home on furlow - that's the situation people are in and the official response to it - not a choice they have made for themselves. Advocating people doing their own thing is stupid, people have neither the knowledge or experience to decide what is in the best interest in society and focus purely on their own wants, needs and desires. Maybe the recent spate of £10k fines will act as an encouragement to stick to the rules and give everyone a chance to get back to a semblence of normality. | |||
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" It must be done properly, that will require input from all those groups who will be left aside unless it's done to suit all in society.. Rushed legislation never ends well.. You mean like the Coronavirus Act 2020
I didn't suggest leaving anyone aside. In point of fact, I suggested a route that specifically minimizes risk for everyone while allowing people to live near-normal lives (no restrictions, just regular testing & a requirement to prove a negative test if you want to do some high-risk things).
Short of a vaccine or treatment there's no other way out of this mess."Yes even that to a degree, full of loopholes and weak but they didn't exactly have lots of time.. Until the things your suggesting, many of which there is common agreement on are properly effective it will continue to be a dog's breakfast .. It's not like the powers that be haven't had the time to sort it.. | |||
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" Erm - it's not peoples fault that they are sitting at home on furlow - that's the situation people are in and the official response to it - not a choice they have made for themselves. " It wasn't people's fault but it'll become people's fault if they don't wake up very soon to the fact they're going to be unemployed in October & start to look a bit more critically at what's going on. " Advocating people doing their own thing is stupid, people have neither the knowledge or experience to decide what is in the best interest in society and focus purely on their own wants, needs and desires. " And why not? We all obeyed the rules in March, including me. By May it was clear to almost anyone who bothered to look that the restrictions were overblown but still, we gave them time. Now it's almost September and despite a torrent of evidence that most have little to fear they're still playing the same broken record. Their time is up. Like it or not people are using their own eyes, ears, brains & judgement. " Maybe the recent spate of £10k fines will act as an encouragement to stick to the rules and give everyone a chance to get back to a semblence of normality." I doubt it. You can't fine an entire country. | |||
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" Erm - it's not peoples fault that they are sitting at home on furlow - that's the situation people are in and the official response to it - not a choice they have made for themselves. It wasn't people's fault but it'll become people's fault if they don't wake up very soon to the fact they're going to be unemployed in October & start to look a bit more critically at what's going on. Advocating people doing their own thing is stupid, people have neither the knowledge or experience to decide what is in the best interest in society and focus purely on their own wants, needs and desires. And why not? We all obeyed the rules in March, including me. By May it was clear to almost anyone who bothered to look that the restrictions were overblown but still, we gave them time. Now it's almost September and despite a torrent of evidence that most have little to fear they're still playing the same broken record. Their time is up. Like it or not people are using their own eyes, ears, brains & judgement. Maybe the recent spate of £10k fines will act as an encouragement to stick to the rules and give everyone a chance to get back to a semblence of normality. I doubt it. You can't fine an entire country." It won't be an entire country who decide to do their own thing, just a ragbag bunch of activists and conspiracy nutters. | |||
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" Yes even that to a degree, full of loopholes and weak but they didn't exactly have lots of time.. Until the things your suggesting, many of which there is common agreement on are properly effective it will continue to be a dog's breakfast .. It's not like the powers that be haven't had the time to sort it.." Exactly. The annoying thing is that I'm absolutely certain that given a clear indication from government that mass testing & proof of test would end the restrictions there would be dozens if not hundreds of companies willing to deploy the necessary infrastructure. Think about it - a walk in, on demand covid test that takes 12 minutes & costs no more than a tenner. That's what... two or three pints? Hardly a massive cost for those who want to go and party to bear, is it? I bet that a load of clubs & venues would even subsidize it if it meant they could reopen properly. Workplaces could even invest in their own test machine - I understand they are less than £1k... Not only do we get to end the restrictions we get a far better picture of the disease and as a consequence a far lower risk of transmission. This is what really annoys me - there are solutions but nobody wants to know... they're all to busy working out who to fine next! | |||
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" It won't be an entire country who decide to do their own thing, just a ragbag bunch of activists and conspiracy nutters." That bunch is getting bigger every day, mind you don't get trampled. | |||
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"I thought we weren’t meant to believe anything in the ‘MSM’ ? "MSM? You lost me. Perhaps because I'm neither an activist nor a conspiracy nutter | |||
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" It won't be an entire country who decide to do their own thing, just a ragbag bunch of activists and conspiracy nutters. That bunch is getting bigger every day, mind you don't get trampled." No worries of that. | |||
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" Yes even that to a degree, full of loopholes and weak but they didn't exactly have lots of time.. Until the things your suggesting, many of which there is common agreement on are properly effective it will continue to be a dog's breakfast .. It's not like the powers that be haven't had the time to sort it.. Exactly. The annoying thing is that I'm absolutely certain that given a clear indication from government that mass testing & proof of test would end the restrictions there would be dozens if not hundreds of companies willing to deploy the necessary infrastructure. Think about it - a walk in, on demand covid test that takes 12 minutes & costs no more than a tenner. That's what... two or three pints? Hardly a massive cost for those who want to go and party to bear, is it? I bet that a load of clubs & venues would even subsidize it if it meant they could reopen properly. Workplaces could even invest in their own test machine - I understand they are less than £1k... Not only do we get to end the restrictions we get a far better picture of the disease and as a consequence a far lower risk of transmission. This is what really annoys me - there are solutions but nobody wants to know... they're all to busy working out who to fine next!" Its why there are so many believing its about control now. There are so many ways potentially out of the restrictions that most people would accept. These ways out would allow jobs and ways of life to be protected. But rather than that, politically it has become a circus. Which for some reason they are revelling in. More people get tested so more positives, which although provides a clearer picture of how Covid works and spreads etc, ends up creating more "restrictions" with zero scrutiny from parliment, which all carry fines. | |||
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"Read the article Cases are going up because they are testing more and finding more cases of people who have it but are not sick. Both hospitalisations and deaths are right down - that's the most important thing. Lets get the kids back to school, the students back to universities. and the office workers back in the office It's time to start normalising. I would like to know what percentage of tests come back with a positive result. I know we're testing a lot more so we're finding more people who are carrying the infection, but is the percentage remaining the same or going up or down? I feel that is an appropriate question, and I haven't been able to find the answer." On a 7 day rolling average it’s 0.7%. | |||
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"Read the article Cases are going up because they are testing more and finding more cases of people who have it but are not sick. Both hospitalisations and deaths are right down - that's the most important thing. Lets get the kids back to school, the students back to universities. and the office workers back in the office It's time to start normalising. I would like to know what percentage of tests come back with a positive result. I know we're testing a lot more so we're finding more people who are carrying the infection, but is the percentage remaining the same or going up or down? I feel that is an appropriate question, and I haven't been able to find the answer. On a 7 day rolling average it’s 0.7%." Thank you | |||
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" Spoken by someone who has obviously never been a student. Students need that face to face teaching. Doing it all by zoom is a poor substitute. And many office workers dont want work from home. They don’t want to sit isolated all day and need the interaction with colleagues " Yes, you're right. I wasn't a student at Southampton University, nor the University of Bath, nor the Holborn School of Law. I also wasn't a guest lecturer at Chalmers University. And I certainly haven't been teaching for the past four years, in state schools, independent schools and in private tuition. Oh. Wait though. Maybe your 'obviously' is wrong. Controlling a virus isn't about what people want. Much of real life isn't. Still, if this is all about what you want then maybe better to say so, rather than hiding behind the 'everybody knows that many people want....' populist shield of assumptions. | |||
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" Every elderly person I've spoke to agree about getting everything moving again. They dont want local buisness going bust, they dont want kids losing out on anymore education, they dont want incress in depression/suicides, they dont want anyone else missimg out on any operations health mattets non covid related. They want things moving again and not have the world put on hold to protect them. " It’s not only the elderly that are vulnerable. Plenty of younger people have other underlying health conditions that make them vulnerable to the virus, but would otherwise lead a relatively full life. Much like myself, Immunocompromised due to medical treatment, extremely vulnerable to severe complications should I become infected, yet would ultimately lead a life of average span without Covid. I’ve no problem with getting things going again, but there are too many inconsiderate people who think they don’t need to pay attention to the rules, put in place to curb the spread, and allow society a little more freedom. | |||
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" Every elderly person I've spoke to agree about getting everything moving again. They dont want local buisness going bust, they dont want kids losing out on anymore education, they dont want incress in depression/suicides, they dont want anyone else missimg out on any operations health mattets non covid related. They want things moving again and not have the world put on hold to protect them. It’s not only the elderly that are vulnerable. Plenty of younger people have other underlying health conditions that make them vulnerable to the virus, but would otherwise lead a relatively full life. Much like myself, Immunocompromised due to medical treatment, extremely vulnerable to severe complications should I become infected, yet would ultimately lead a life of average span without Covid. I’ve no problem with getting things going again, but there are too many inconsiderate people who think they don’t need to pay attention to the rules, put in place to curb the spread, and allow society a little more freedom." But it’s not society restricting our freedoms though is it, or Covid 19. Its the government. | |||
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" Every elderly person I've spoke to agree about getting everything moving again. They dont want local buisness going bust, they dont want kids losing out on anymore education, they dont want incress in depression/suicides, they dont want anyone else missimg out on any operations health mattets non covid related. They want things moving again and not have the world put on hold to protect them. It’s not only the elderly that are vulnerable. Plenty of younger people have other underlying health conditions that make them vulnerable to the virus, but would otherwise lead a relatively full life. Much like myself, Immunocompromised due to medical treatment, extremely vulnerable to severe complications should I become infected, yet would ultimately lead a life of average span without Covid. I’ve no problem with getting things going again, but there are too many inconsiderate people who think they don’t need to pay attention to the rules, put in place to curb the spread, and allow society a little more freedom. But it’s not society restricting our freedoms though is it, or Covid 19. Its the government. " The Govt have put restrictions in place, for public health reasons, which is quite frankly the only thing I agree with this Govt on. The Govt have been lack lustre from the beginning, they didn’t want to take the measures they did, but were forced to, as the pandemic evolved and scientific community/political allies applied pressure. SAGE published documents reveal a lot about when and what measures were advised, lockdown was advised at least a week earlier, but was delayed, likely due to pressure from Tory Donors in the jockey club wanting Cheltenham to go ahead. The Govt are now trying to push everybody back out, without really doing anything to reassure people, particularly those shielding, that they’ve implemented effective measures that will help. It’s a big concern for the extremely vulnerable. I’m fairly comfortable with venturing out, socialising, as I’ve returned to work, but I don’t consider my condition to be among those most at risk. There is some evidence from positive cases that would support my thinking on this. I’d just like people to wear a mask properly if they’re going to wear one, not ignore social distancing to the point I can feel them breathing/coughing on me, with a mask around their chin, then proceed to shout abuse because I’ve asked them to take a few steps back. They seem to get closer than before distancing became a thing. | |||
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" Every elderly person I've spoke to agree about getting everything moving again. They dont want local buisness going bust, they dont want kids losing out on anymore education, they dont want incress in depression/suicides, they dont want anyone else missimg out on any operations health mattets non covid related. They want things moving again and not have the world put on hold to protect them. It’s not only the elderly that are vulnerable. Plenty of younger people have other underlying health conditions that make them vulnerable to the virus, but would otherwise lead a relatively full life. Much like myself, Immunocompromised due to medical treatment, extremely vulnerable to severe complications should I become infected, yet would ultimately lead a life of average span without Covid. I’ve no problem with getting things going again, but there are too many inconsiderate people who think they don’t need to pay attention to the rules, put in place to curb the spread, and allow society a little more freedom. But it’s not society restricting our freedoms though is it, or Covid 19. Its the government. The Govt have put restrictions in place, for public health reasons, which is quite frankly the only thing I agree with this Govt on. The Govt have been lack lustre from the beginning, they didn’t want to take the measures they did, but were forced to, as the pandemic evolved and scientific community/political allies applied pressure. SAGE published documents reveal a lot about when and what measures were advised, lockdown was advised at least a week earlier, but was delayed, likely due to pressure from Tory Donors in the jockey club wanting Cheltenham to go ahead. The Govt are now trying to push everybody back out, without really doing anything to reassure people, particularly those shielding, that they’ve implemented effective measures that will help. It’s a big concern for the extremely vulnerable. I’m fairly comfortable with venturing out, socialising, as I’ve returned to work, but I don’t consider my condition to be among those most at risk. There is some evidence from positive cases that would support my thinking on this. I’d just like people to wear a mask properly if they’re going to wear one, not ignore social distancing to the point I can feel them breathing/coughing on me, with a mask around their chin, then proceed to shout abuse because I’ve asked them to take a few steps back. They seem to get closer than before distancing became a thing. " I think once the colds and flu starts doing its rounds then fear will push people to social distance properly again, September is also a big change for the virus with schools going back and the uni mass migration. | |||
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" Every elderly person I've spoke to agree about getting everything moving again. They dont want local buisness going bust, they dont want kids losing out on anymore education, they dont want incress in depression/suicides, they dont want anyone else missimg out on any operations health mattets non covid related. They want things moving again and not have the world put on hold to protect them. It’s not only the elderly that are vulnerable. Plenty of younger people have other underlying health conditions that make them vulnerable to the virus, but would otherwise lead a relatively full life. Much like myself, Immunocompromised due to medical treatment, extremely vulnerable to severe complications should I become infected, yet would ultimately lead a life of average span without Covid. I’ve no problem with getting things going again, but there are too many inconsiderate people who think they don’t need to pay attention to the rules, put in place to curb the spread, and allow society a little more freedom. But it’s not society restricting our freedoms though is it, or Covid 19. Its the government. " Your saying that as if it's a bad thin Governments do set legislation to literally protect a group from themselves and to protect the majority, eg drink driving legislation.. There are many others.. If they had done nothing that would have been a dereliction, respect we can all differ on the various parts of this issue.. | |||
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"I have friends who caught it .... they were back to work after a week ... and no they aren’t young. They are middle aged "There are so many variables though, length of exposure and whether the person or persons who they caught it from etc had it bad or even knew they had it.. Had a sister it would have killed had she not been on steroids prior to contacting it according to the consultant..we think her exposure was limited as she and us her family were trying to keep her away from it.. Others have survived in their late 90s yet some in their teens with no underlying health have succumbed.. We still don't know enough about it and the issues it leaves post recovery.. | |||
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"Read the article Cases are going up because they are testing more and finding more cases of people who have it but are not sick. Both hospitalisations and deaths are right down - that's the most important thing. Lets get the kids back to school, the students back to universities. and the office workers back in the office It's time to start normalising. Are you forgetting about the vulnerable people who are still too scared to leave their homes, the ones who don't want to die from covid-19, how many of us are still supporting vulnerable people? We cannot ignore their needs and safety. community matters" The vulnerable are perfectly capable of making and educated decision on what sort of risk they are willing to take, my father in law being one of them. This country is already turning the corner and getting on with it regardless of permission or not. | |||
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"Well! Usually I would say preventative measures are a good thing. Seatbelts yes, drink driving yes, no smoking inside of public places yes (although as a smoker at the time I was bloody annoyed!). The issue I have with the governments measures are threefold. First of all - their new guidelines, laws, fines, etc all seem to be made up on the hoof. There doesn't seem to be any careful consideration of the facts, no focus groups, no parliamentary debate, nothing. While I understand that in a "pandemic", fast moving decisions need to be made - this government has faffed and waffled and shown no strong leadership. As a result, - we are seeing very low public confidence. Second of all, the actions of the government no longer appear consistent with the level of threat. At the beginning of the pandemic, I watched the news with a mounting sense of dread. I followed the lockdown rules. I got pissed off with people blatantly ignoring them. During lockdown I lost my business, contact with my family, my sons education - and I thought - this is some really serious shit. This is the sacrifice I need to make. But now? Six months on? My local hospital has had an empty covid ward for weeks. National deaths have levelled off, going below the average if anything. And thats after packed beaches, super Saturday, BLM protests, shops open etc etc. Its not proportionate. Thats my issue. Lastly, as I keep saying on these threads and keep getting ignored! If we had a clear exit strategy I would get behind it. There is no exit strategy. As long as there is no exit strategy then I will have no trust in the government ever taking away these shitty "precautions", and therefore - will continue to argue about it until there is one! I hope this explains! And thank you for your respectful response in return - a rare treat x" I share a lot of what your saying, rushed legislation etc is never the best and there has been a total mess and still is with some or a lot of what is going on.. Funny that you mention faff and waffle, they are the hallmarks of Boris who was laissez-faire at the start and has never really looked to be in charge.. I think any PM would have been stretched but he has been woefull and a lot of the issues you describe are down to a lack of experience across the cabinet which was culled to only have in place the yes men and women of the Brexit cult.. I don't see it changing at any time soon.. | |||
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"Obvious question to me is this. OK we've had between 40 and 50K die of Covid or have tested positive Bla Bla Bla. I know the goalpost move about but it's something like that. So....... What is an acceptable death toll from now on in ? Is it Zero, Is it Another 50K or somewhere in between. Do we even need a target now. Is there a secret target. I wonder ?" No target I dont think I also dont think we will come out of this until next spring. People can argue about it not being deadly enough for them. But we haven't had a winter with this yet. | |||
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"Obvious question to me is this. OK we've had between 40 and 50K die of Covid or have tested positive Bla Bla Bla. I know the goalpost move about but it's something like that. So....... What is an acceptable death toll from now on in ? Is it Zero, Is it Another 50K or somewhere in between. Do we even need a target now. Is there a secret target. I wonder ? No target I dont think I also dont think we will come out of this until next spring. People can argue about it not being deadly enough for them. But we haven't had a winter with this yet." Its going to be a very worrying six months - I wonder if it wouldnt have been wiser to let the virus work its way through the population during the summer months, when were are at our most robust. | |||
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"Well! Usually I would say preventative measures are a good thing. Seatbelts yes, drink driving yes, no smoking inside of public places yes (although as a smoker at the time I was bloody annoyed!). The issue I have with the governments measures are threefold. First of all - their new guidelines, laws, fines, etc all seem to be made up on the hoof. There doesn't seem to be any careful consideration of the facts, no focus groups, no parliamentary debate, nothing. While I understand that in a "pandemic", fast moving decisions need to be made - this government has faffed and waffled and shown no strong leadership. As a result, - we are seeing very low public confidence. Second of all, the actions of the government no longer appear consistent with the level of threat. At the beginning of the pandemic, I watched the news with a mounting sense of dread. I followed the lockdown rules. I got pissed off with people blatantly ignoring them. During lockdown I lost my business, contact with my family, my sons education - and I thought - this is some really serious shit. This is the sacrifice I need to make. But now? Six months on? My local hospital has had an empty covid ward for weeks. National deaths have levelled off, going below the average if anything. And thats after packed beaches, super Saturday, BLM protests, shops open etc etc. Its not proportionate. Thats my issue. Lastly, as I keep saying on these threads and keep getting ignored! If we had a clear exit strategy I would get behind it. There is no exit strategy. As long as there is no exit strategy then I will have no trust in the government ever taking away these shitty "precautions", and therefore - will continue to argue about it until there is one! I hope this explains! And thank you for your respectful response in return - a rare treat x I share a lot of what your saying, rushed legislation etc is never the best and there has been a total mess and still is with some or a lot of what is going on.. Funny that you mention faff and waffle, they are the hallmarks of Boris who was laissez-faire at the start and has never really looked to be in charge.. I think any PM would have been stretched but he has been woefull and a lot of the issues you describe are down to a lack of experience across the cabinet which was culled to only have in place the yes men and women of the Brexit cult.. I don't see it changing at any time soon.." But this is why we need public pressure. Instead we get tabloid headlines about David Icke and lizard people. Everyone just laughs and ignores, instead of taking a real look at the very serious issues we potentially face. (and no, the issues are not lizard people, lady gaga or any other conspiracy theory that people want to throw in my face to discredit my opinion). | |||
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"Well! Usually I would say preventative measures are a good thing. Seatbelts yes, drink driving yes, no smoking inside of public places yes (although as a smoker at the time I was bloody annoyed!). The issue I have with the governments measures are threefold. First of all - their new guidelines, laws, fines, etc all seem to be made up on the hoof. There doesn't seem to be any careful consideration of the facts, no focus groups, no parliamentary debate, nothing. While I understand that in a "pandemic", fast moving decisions need to be made - this government has faffed and waffled and shown no strong leadership. As a result, - we are seeing very low public confidence. Second of all, the actions of the government no longer appear consistent with the level of threat. At the beginning of the pandemic, I watched the news with a mounting sense of dread. I followed the lockdown rules. I got pissed off with people blatantly ignoring them. During lockdown I lost my business, contact with my family, my sons education - and I thought - this is some really serious shit. This is the sacrifice I need to make. But now? Six months on? My local hospital has had an empty covid ward for weeks. National deaths have levelled off, going below the average if anything. And thats after packed beaches, super Saturday, BLM protests, shops open etc etc. Its not proportionate. Thats my issue. Lastly, as I keep saying on these threads and keep getting ignored! If we had a clear exit strategy I would get behind it. There is no exit strategy. As long as there is no exit strategy then I will have no trust in the government ever taking away these shitty "precautions", and therefore - will continue to argue about it until there is one! I hope this explains! And thank you for your respectful response in return - a rare treat x I share a lot of what your saying, rushed legislation etc is never the best and there has been a total mess and still is with some or a lot of what is going on.. Funny that you mention faff and waffle, they are the hallmarks of Boris who was laissez-faire at the start and has never really looked to be in charge.. I think any PM would have been stretched but he has been woefull and a lot of the issues you describe are down to a lack of experience across the cabinet which was culled to only have in place the yes men and women of the Brexit cult.. I don't see it changing at any time soon.. But this is why we need public pressure. Instead we get tabloid headlines about David Icke and lizard people. Everyone just laughs and ignores, instead of taking a real look at the very serious issues we potentially face. (and no, the issues are not lizard people, lady gaga or any other conspiracy theory that people want to throw in my face to discredit my opinion). " Any government that doesn't sack a senior advisor who blatantly went against the rules he helped to draft, that has seen trusted donors and friends of ministers put in positions for which they have little or no actual experience, that has one of its biggest demographics choice if paper call it out and just ignored is not going to listen to any public pressure even if there was a consensus of opinion.. 80 seat majority means it can do it now it wants and will only start to pretend to listen in the run up to the next election.. | |||
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"Well! Usually I would say preventative measures are a good thing. Seatbelts yes, drink driving yes, no smoking inside of public places yes (although as a smoker at the time I was bloody annoyed!). The issue I have with the governments measures are threefold. First of all - their new guidelines, laws, fines, etc all seem to be made up on the hoof. There doesn't seem to be any careful consideration of the facts, no focus groups, no parliamentary debate, nothing. While I understand that in a "pandemic", fast moving decisions need to be made - this government has faffed and waffled and shown no strong leadership. As a result, - we are seeing very low public confidence. Second of all, the actions of the government no longer appear consistent with the level of threat. At the beginning of the pandemic, I watched the news with a mounting sense of dread. I followed the lockdown rules. I got pissed off with people blatantly ignoring them. During lockdown I lost my business, contact with my family, my sons education - and I thought - this is some really serious shit. This is the sacrifice I need to make. But now? Six months on? My local hospital has had an empty covid ward for weeks. National deaths have levelled off, going below the average if anything. And thats after packed beaches, super Saturday, BLM protests, shops open etc etc. Its not proportionate. Thats my issue. Lastly, as I keep saying on these threads and keep getting ignored! If we had a clear exit strategy I would get behind it. There is no exit strategy. As long as there is no exit strategy then I will have no trust in the government ever taking away these shitty "precautions", and therefore - will continue to argue about it until there is one! I hope this explains! And thank you for your respectful response in return - a rare treat x I share a lot of what your saying, rushed legislation etc is never the best and there has been a total mess and still is with some or a lot of what is going on.. Funny that you mention faff and waffle, they are the hallmarks of Boris who was laissez-faire at the start and has never really looked to be in charge.. I think any PM would have been stretched but he has been woefull and a lot of the issues you describe are down to a lack of experience across the cabinet which was culled to only have in place the yes men and women of the Brexit cult.. I don't see it changing at any time soon.. But this is why we need public pressure. Instead we get tabloid headlines about David Icke and lizard people. Everyone just laughs and ignores, instead of taking a real look at the very serious issues we potentially face. (and no, the issues are not lizard people, lady gaga or any other conspiracy theory that people want to throw in my face to discredit my opinion). Any government that doesn't sack a senior advisor who blatantly went against the rules he helped to draft, that has seen trusted donors and friends of ministers put in positions for which they have little or no actual experience, that has one of its biggest demographics choice if paper call it out and just ignored is not going to listen to any public pressure even if there was a consensus of opinion.. 80 seat majority means it can do it now it wants and will only start to pretend to listen in the run up to the next election.." Yeah. You may well be right. God, how depressing. I cant just sit here and do nothing though, even if it is just sharing my views about it online. xx | |||
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"Obvious question to me is this. OK we've had between 40 and 50K die of Covid or have tested positive Bla Bla Bla. I know the goalpost move about but it's something like that. So....... What is an acceptable death toll from now on in ? Is it Zero, Is it Another 50K or somewhere in between. Do we even need a target now. Is there a secret target. I wonder ? No target I dont think I also dont think we will come out of this until next spring. People can argue about it not being deadly enough for them. But we haven't had a winter with this yet. Its going to be a very worrying six months - I wonder if it wouldnt have been wiser to let the virus work its way through the population during the summer months, when were are at our most robust. " I think that has been happening to some degree. But if your saying it might have been better to take the handbrake off fully...I would disagree as I think we haven't found the full potential of the bugger yet. The schools are back this week and a lot more places have opened up...but we still get worrying little spikes that needs to be clamped down a lot faster then the government are doing. | |||
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"Obvious question to me is this. OK we've had between 40 and 50K die of Covid or have tested positive Bla Bla Bla. I know the goalpost move about but it's something like that. So....... What is an acceptable death toll from now on in ? Is it Zero, Is it Another 50K or somewhere in between. Do we even need a target now. Is there a secret target. I wonder ? No target I dont think I also dont think we will come out of this until next spring. People can argue about it not being deadly enough for them. But we haven't had a winter with this yet. Its going to be a very worrying six months - I wonder if it wouldnt have been wiser to let the virus work its way through the population during the summer months, when were are at our most robust. I think that has been happening to some degree. But if your saying it might have been better to take the handbrake off fully...I would disagree as I think we haven't found the full potential of the bugger yet. The schools are back this week and a lot more places have opened up...but we still get worrying little spikes that needs to be clamped down a lot faster then the government are doing. "Not full throttle, no... but, for example, I think it would have been a good idea to get the children back to school BEFORE cold and flu season, rather than right bang smack in the middle of it!! | |||
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"Well you know, except for the wearing of a mask, or standing on the odd circle that reads -2 metres- apart, using my card more than cash - things have pretty much gone back to normal in terms of day-to-day activities. High street is quieter, but that's probably because now is the transition to online - I have been in three long traffic q's on the M6/M62/m60 today. I can go sit in Starbucks and meets friends and family much like I used to. Yea. Mostly things are . . . " As long as you're alright then | |||
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"Obvious question to me is this. OK we've had between 40 and 50K die of Covid or have tested positive Bla Bla Bla. I know the goalpost move about but it's something like that. So....... What is an acceptable death toll from now on in ? Is it Zero, Is it Another 50K or somewhere in between. Do we even need a target now. Is there a secret target. I wonder ? No target I dont think I also dont think we will come out of this until next spring. People can argue about it not being deadly enough for them. But we haven't had a winter with this yet. Its going to be a very worrying six months - I wonder if it wouldnt have been wiser to let the virus work its way through the population during the summer months, when were are at our most robust. I think that has been happening to some degree. But if your saying it might have been better to take the handbrake off fully...I would disagree as I think we haven't found the full potential of the bugger yet. The schools are back this week and a lot more places have opened up...but we still get worrying little spikes that needs to be clamped down a lot faster then the government are doing.
Not full throttle, no... but, for example, I think it would have been a good idea to get the children back to school BEFORE cold and flu season, rather than right bang smack in the middle of it!! "You do realize that cold and flu season IS BECAUSE children go back to school. | |||
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"Obvious question to me is this. OK we've had between 40 and 50K die of Covid or have tested positive Bla Bla Bla. I know the goalpost move about but it's something like that. So....... What is an acceptable death toll from now on in ? Is it Zero, Is it Another 50K or somewhere in between. Do we even need a target now. Is there a secret target. I wonder ? No target I dont think I also dont think we will come out of this until next spring. People can argue about it not being deadly enough for them. But we haven't had a winter with this yet. Its going to be a very worrying six months - I wonder if it wouldnt have been wiser to let the virus work its way through the population during the summer months, when were are at our most robust. I think that has been happening to some degree. But if your saying it might have been better to take the handbrake off fully...I would disagree as I think we haven't found the full potential of the bugger yet. The schools are back this week and a lot more places have opened up...but we still get worrying little spikes that needs to be clamped down a lot faster then the government are doing.
Not full throttle, no... but, for example, I think it would have been a good idea to get the children back to school BEFORE cold and flu season, rather than right bang smack in the middle of it!!
You do realize that cold and flu season IS BECAUSE children go back to school."Well, yes, that is one cause, but not he only cause. Lower immune systems, central heating, everyone spending more time indoors and so on. Its not a simple case of - children getting together = rotten cold. And thats why - in my opinion - this bug should have been let loose during the summer months when our bodies and behaviours are better fortified to deal with such a thing. | |||
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"Number if cases highest scince June. Even though deaths have dropped, so they say, I wouldn't count on normality soon. Plus the damage already done especially job losses means the economy is far from normal. Optomism from the press hides the reality. "But getting back to normality is the only way to help businesses and stop more people losing their jobs  | |||
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"It never ceases to amaze me of the folk that actually want lockdown to remain despite more deaths occurring from totally different and preventable illness's. Wait til they come for you and your kids out of your house to quarantine camps." Its not a case of keeping lockdown but it makes sense to slowly ease restrictions to see what works and what doesn't rather than just say fuck it ive had enough and go back to hundreds of deaths again surely? | |||
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"They say one of the reasons for a second wave i the autumn/winter is that people stay indoors more. Yet in March during lockdown they told people to stay indoors to stop the spread, which worked. They need to work on their messaging." Seriously? In the winter people are indoors more mixing with others outside of their household. In the summer, people are more likely to mix outdoors. In March we were told to stay indoors with our own household. Can you really not see the difference in the advice??? | |||
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"They say one of the reasons for a second wave i the autumn/winter is that people stay indoors more. Yet in March during lockdown they told people to stay indoors to stop the spread, which worked. They need to work on their messaging. Seriously? In the winter people are indoors more mixing with others outside of their household. In the summer, people are more likely to mix outdoors. In March we were told to stay indoors with our own household. Can you really not see the difference in the advice??? " Hence why I said they need to work on their messaging. | |||
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"They say one of the reasons for a second wave i the autumn/winter is that people stay indoors more. Yet in March during lockdown they told people to stay indoors to stop the spread, which worked. They need to work on their messaging. Seriously? In the winter people are indoors more mixing with others outside of their household. In the summer, people are more likely to mix outdoors. In March we were told to stay indoors with our own household. Can you really not see the difference in the advice??? Hence why I said they need to work on their messaging." Only if people are confused. Are they? | |||
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"They say one of the reasons for a second wave i the autumn/winter is that people stay indoors more. Yet in March during lockdown they told people to stay indoors to stop the spread, which worked. They need to work on their messaging. Seriously? In the winter people are indoors more mixing with others outside of their household. In the summer, people are more likely to mix outdoors. In March we were told to stay indoors with our own household. Can you really not see the difference in the advice??? Hence why I said they need to work on their messaging. Only if people are confused. Are they?" Apparently so going off conversations I've had and the fact that some like to find any inconsistencies in advice. | |||
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"They say one of the reasons for a second wave i the autumn/winter is that people stay indoors more. Yet in March during lockdown they told people to stay indoors to stop the spread, which worked. They need to work on their messaging. Seriously? In the winter people are indoors more mixing with others outside of their household. In the summer, people are more likely to mix outdoors. In March we were told to stay indoors with our own household. Can you really not see the difference in the advice??? Hence why I said they need to work on their messaging. Only if people are confused. Are they? Apparently so going off conversations I've had and the fact that some like to find any inconsistencies in advice." In the run up to summer there was the hope that cases would decline because people would be outdoors which would imply that in the winter case may increase as people mixed more indoors. Lockdown was completely different. Staying indoors was more about only being able to mix with immediate household. Whilst there have been inconsistencies in advice throughout this whole period for various reasons, I don't see an inconsistency here. | |||
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"They say one of the reasons for a second wave i the autumn/winter is that people stay indoors more. Yet in March during lockdown they told people to stay indoors to stop the spread, which worked. Can't see any inconsistencies? Wear a mask/don't wear a mask/wear a mask No indoor gatherings/you can gather indoors if you're parting with money Theres a couple to be getting on with. They need to work on their messaging. Seriously? In the winter people are indoors more mixing with others outside of their household. In the summer, people are more likely to mix outdoors. In March we were told to stay indoors with our own household. Can you really not see the difference in the advice??? Hence why I said they need to work on their messaging. Only if people are confused. Are they? Apparently so going off conversations I've had and the fact that some like to find any inconsistencies in advice. In the run up to summer there was the hope that cases would decline because people would be outdoors which would imply that in the winter case may increase as people mixed more indoors. Lockdown was completely different. Staying indoors was more about only being able to mix with immediate household. Whilst there have been inconsistencies in advice throughout this whole period for various reasons, I don't see an inconsistency here." | |||
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"It never ceases to amaze me of the folk that actually want lockdown to remain despite more deaths occurring from totally different and preventable illness's. Wait til they come for you and your kids out of your house to quarantine camps." I don't think anyone wants "lockdown" to continue, many want sensible restrictions to remain in place mostly because there are so many fuckwits that can't be trusted with normality | |||
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"It never ceases to amaze me of the folk that actually want lockdown to remain despite more deaths occurring from totally different and preventable illness's. Wait til they come for you and your kids out of your house to quarantine camps. I don't think anyone wants "lockdown" to continue, many want sensible restrictions to remain in place mostly because there are so many fuckwits that can't be trusted with normality " | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal." I work in mental health there has been a massive rise in anxiety and depression as people arent used to sudden changes in life. Its almost like a big grief event, some people are finding it a much better way of living and coping well with a quieter pace. Others are struggling with isolation, loss, pressure to home school and work at the same time, job loss, financial strain. There needs to be a sensible balanced approach to give people a sense of a "new normal" I for one feel like I've been serving time in a prison. | |||
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" But getting back to normality is the only way to help businesses and stop more people losing their jobs
Exactly.
I have lost almost £30k as a direct result of these covid restrictions. I have already had to close one business entirely and am on the brink of closing another. That's over 30 years of hard work flushed away.
Nobody seems to be listening. This isn't faceless megacorps who's profits are taking a bit of a knock, this is ordinary people who've worked, fought, scrimped, saved and worked all their lives ending up with nothing.
I may well lose my house. I am selling my car. I don't want handouts, or sympathy (not that there were any handouts for those in my position).
Is it sinking it yet? The endless restrictions are DESTROYING the fabric of our society. Small businesses, like mine, that make up a huge percentage of our economy are dying. They won't come back. The diversity we know and enjoy is being swept away and taking people's lifes work with it.
I hear the argument all the time - 'the restrictions save lives'. What I don't see is any proof.
People are still getting sick. They are still catching covid. More slowly, but it's still happening. All the restrictions are doing is slowing it down, dragging out the pain for longer.
Mark my words, sooner or later we are going to discover that the nunber of deaths actually prevented by restrictions across the full course of the disease is insignificant. Pretty much the same number will die, with or without restrictions, the only significant variable is time.
Short term restrictions, two or three months to allow us to gear up to cope are justified and rational. Indefinate restrictions to 'control the virus' aren't.
Please umderstand, I am not a callous, unfeeling person. I have family in the vulnerable bracket myself. I'm not young either and the industry my businesses serve is at the very top of the risk scale. I am not saying this from some bunker, safe from it all, I'm saying it as someone who undoubtedly will be exposed to it, who will have to take extreme care around family and who will be directly at risk.
We are going to have to live with the virus. Lets make sure the world we live in is worth it.
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"The answer to that is a single word : Normal. If we need to control the virus, do it in a way that works - regular testing & proof of test needed to undertake high-risk activities. Restrictions don't work long term." And that's exactly what's happening, so what's up ? | |||
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"So meanwhile go about your low risk activities and infect how many if you are unfortunate enough to not yet know your infected. " Which is no different from right now. " My point is everything is high risk as an awful lot of the population haven't a clue about social distancing, basic hygiene (there's a reason why we were advised to sing happy birthday while handwashing - most of these fools couldn't count to twenty) or wearing of masks. Of those that do have a clue a lot of them just don't care. " I have to say that I disagree. Most people I know have little wish to get ill and are more than willing to take sensible precautions to lessen the risk of doing so. The majority here at least appear to be behaving reasonably (there are always morons, sadly we can't eliminate them!) but I'd say they are the minority. The issue I see is that many are now becoming so fed up with endless and seemingly arbitrary restrictions on their lives that they are simply saying "F*^& it" and not bothering. Not good for anyone, but understandable to an extent. " A certificate to say your clean would need to be reissued every seven days to be effective (I may be out on this), an awful lot of people will not be prepared to rock up at doctors or test centre every week to do this. Your ideas good in theory but in practice wouldn't work due to peoples piss poor attitudes. " If the price of admission to clubs, pubs, sporting events, concerts, theaters etc. was a recent covid test and that test was quick to produce results, easy to obtain and reasonably priced my bet is that they would, happily. | |||
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"So meanwhile go about your low risk activities and infect how many if you are unfortunate enough to not yet know your infected. I understand why everyone wants to get back to something approaching normality, my business has suffered massively as well. I also understand everyone's frustrations with the crock of shit handling of it all by our government. My point is everything is high risk as an awful lot of the population haven't a clue about social distancing, basic hygiene (there's a reason why we were advised to sing happy birthday while handwashing - most of these fools couldn't count to twenty) or wearing of masks. Of those that do have a clue a lot of them just don't care. A certificate to say your clean would need to be reissued every seven days to be effective (I may be out on this), an awful lot of people will not be prepared to rock up at doctors or test centre every week to do this. Your ideas good in theory but in practice wouldn't work due to peoples piss poor attitudes. " Going off all that it makes you wonder how the country has such low levels of infection. | |||
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"Why is there an increase in depression and suicide? Personally I don’t get it. I was so much happier when the lockdown was in full effect. I can feel myself getting pissed off now things have gone back to normal. I work in mental health there has been a massive rise in anxiety and depression as people arent used to sudden changes in life. Its almost like a big grief event, some people are finding it a much better way of living and coping well with a quieter pace. Others are struggling with isolation, loss, pressure to home school and work at the same time, job loss, financial strain. There needs to be a sensible balanced approach to give people a sense of a "new normal" I for one feel like I've been serving time in a prison." Speaking of prison, My son today, he's 10, he ran out of school like he hadn't seen me in a week and saying he felt like he'd been in prison all day. He showed me the lines they exercise on at playtime  never seen him so relieved to see me. He had a look of pressure on his face, you know, like relief mixed with looking like he was holding back tears or about to burst.
Hope school can be the first place they start to get back normality when appropriate, the children have been through enough this year. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764 It's time . . . . Ffs don't just post a link, post a synopsis also! Fergus Walsh, Medical Editor at BBC Discusses some positive points- hospital admissions still fairly low even with increasing infections. People social distancing may mean less virus intake and therefore less severe illness. And possible negative of winter. People indoors, respiratory illnesses more likely. Long article, worth a read if you can. "Social distancing....NOT back to "normal" then after all! Social distancing is the main thing reducing the spread....and the implications (for social contact, capacity etc are manyfold and manifestly not "normal") | |||
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