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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result." R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later. | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed "No they keep changing every day. | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed "How and in what ways? Have you looked at the science behind them? | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed
No they keep changing every day."As in fiddling going on ... deliberately | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later." A few weeks back the R rate in Germany shot up from below 1 to above 3 over a weekend due to a spike in a meat packing factory. Take out that one location and the R rate is back below 1. | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed
No they keep changing every day.
As in fiddling going on ... deliberately "If it makes you feel better. Yeah it’s all a con that only the special ones have sussed out. | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed
No they keep changing every day.
As in fiddling going on ... deliberately
If it makes you feel better. Yeah it’s all a con that only the special ones have sussed out."You mean your blindly believe everything you read and hear , the same people that broke the data protection act, tracking our phone without consent, and world beating track and trace .. Yes yes ... good luck with that my friend | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed
No they keep changing every day.
As in fiddling going on ... deliberately
If it makes you feel better. Yeah it’s all a con that only the special ones have sussed out.
You mean your blindly believe everything you read and hear , the same people that broke the data protection act, tracking our phone without consent, and world beating track and trace ..
Yes yes ... good luck with that my friend "I follow certain scientists, not government. | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later." At one time I would agree with that. Now I’m not so sure. The number of asymptomatic positives seems to have increased as targeted testing has increased so I don’t think it’s a given that the deaths are going to follow as they did at the start of the pandemic. | |||
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"So ther rate going up and the death rate going down is a good thing, right??" I’d prefer both going down but I’ll take the death rate continuing to fall. | |||
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" Refer back to the old AIDS public health adverts of the 80's, the one that said everyone's lives would be touched in some way by HIV/AIDS." Which they were, or many fewer with contraception would insist on condoms. " The similar Doomwatch scenario attached to C-19 is exaggerated beyond belief. " according to who? "Of bigger concern to most should be the closure to walk ins @ casualty depts being considered from Autumn 2020. That'll cause higher mortality than C-19. " According to who? If you can walk into Casualty then you're probably not in imminent need of a ventilator. All these assertions being presented as 'facts' are about as convincing as Boris Johnson talking about it. | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later. At one time I would agree with that. Now I’m not so sure. The number of asymptomatic positives seems to have increased as targeted testing has increased so I don’t think it’s a given that the deaths are going to follow as they did at the start of the pandemic." Apart from the shielding has ended for quite a few who are coming back into circulation.. | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later." So the R has been going up for weeks and weeks now. Deaths have not been. That’s a trend from all over Europe | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later. So the R has been going up for weeks and weeks now. Deaths have not been. That’s a trend from all over Europe " We are still around the 1 in "r" ,as I said above we have had around 2 to 3 million of the most vulnerable to come out of shielding. Hey I hope your right and I'm wrong at the end of the day | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later. At one time I would agree with that. Now I’m not so sure. The number of asymptomatic positives seems to have increased as targeted testing has increased so I don’t think it’s a given that the deaths are going to follow as they did at the start of the pandemic." There is a few interesting studies on whether you can catch it a second time and show as asymptomatic, google studies on coronavirus memory cell immunity for those that are interested in the science papers. I don't think the deaths will rise dramatically they have lots of already used drugs to alleviate serious symptoms, If we slow it down the NHS can cope and treat people efficiently. | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed
No they keep changing every day.
As in fiddling going on ... deliberately
If it makes you feel better. Yeah it’s all a con that only the special ones have sussed out.
You mean your blindly believe everything you read and hear , the same people that broke the data protection act, tracking our phone without consent, and world beating track and trace ..
Yes yes ... good luck with that my friend "I have friends that work in hospitals and friends that have had - and had their parents die from - this virus. I wouldn’t wish catching this virus on my worst enemy. When you get close to it and see how it affects your friends you may find your attitude changes. People break and exploit track data not the system. | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later." Deaths will not be as high as they know ow to treat covid better | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed
No they keep changing every day.
As in fiddling going on ... deliberately
If it makes you feel better. Yeah it’s all a con that only the special ones have sussed out.
You mean your blindly believe everything you read and hear , the same people that broke the data protection act, tracking our phone without consent, and world beating track and trace ..
Yes yes ... good luck with that my friend "Soooo Apart from Google, Apple and all the mobile network operators ...whose been tracking you now ? | |||
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"You mean your blindly believe everything you read and hear , the same people that broke the data protection act, tracking our phone without consent" Did you install a track and trace app then? | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later.Deaths will not be as high as they know ow to treat covid better" hydroxychloroquine? | |||
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"R rate is bound to rise as more people are acctualy being tested Long as hospitals aren't getting full " this. What they are rarely mentioning when saying cases are rising is that more people without symptoms are now being tested so the r rate is going to be higher.. However hospital admissions and deaths are not going up | |||
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"R rate is bound to rise as more people are acctualy being tested Long as hospitals aren't getting full this. What they are rarely mentioning when saying cases are rising is that more people without symptoms are now being tested so the r rate is going to be higher.. However hospital admissions and deaths are not going up" Apparently it’s the same in Spain. A big increase in cases which hasn’t been mirrored in a rise in hospitalisations. | |||
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"R rate is bound to rise as more people are acctualy being tested Long as hospitals aren't getting full this. What they are rarely mentioning when saying cases are rising is that more people without symptoms are now being tested so the r rate is going to be higher.. However hospital admissions and deaths are not going up Apparently it’s the same in Spain. A big increase in cases which hasn’t been mirrored in a rise in hospitalisations." Is it too simplistic to suggest that the most vulnerable members of our society have sadly, already succumbed?  | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. R rate goes up infections go up...deaths will follow around 2 to 6 weeks later.Deaths will not be as high as they know ow to treat covid better" This must be the only comment you have ever written that I've agreed with! It's not just that though...The most vulnerable are now protected far better than they were at the start. If one person in a care home comes down with it then extra precautions will be taken. These people are already well protected now and this will continue whilst the virus exists. Of course, not all deaths were care home related and many with underlying health conditions will catch it and die. However, this group will also be protecting themselves far more than they were in March. | |||
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"Sounds like the numbers are fixed
No they keep changing every day.
As in fiddling going on ... deliberately
If it makes you feel better. Yeah it’s all a con that only the special ones have sussed out.
You mean your blindly believe everything you read and hear , the same people that broke the data protection act, tracking our phone without consent, and world beating track and trace ..
Yes yes ... good luck with that my friend
I follow certain scientists, not government."Following uncertain scientists would certainly be an unusual approach. However, what I think you mean is you cherry pick your experts to fit your world view... | |||
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"R rate is bound to rise as more people are acctualy being tested Long as hospitals aren't getting full this. What they are rarely mentioning when saying cases are rising is that more people without symptoms are now being tested so the r rate is going to be higher.. However hospital admissions and deaths are not going up Apparently it’s the same in Spain. A big increase in cases which hasn’t been mirrored in a rise in hospitalisations. Is it too simplistic to suggest that the most vulnerable members of our society have sadly, already succumbed? "Yes. However, it does make sense to suggest that, given how mych money and time has been thrown at improving treatment, the mortality rate is coming down, irrespective of what's happening to the R rate. | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result." Not if we have had implemented a proper track and trace system form the outset like... Vietnam is a third world country Bombed to shit less than 40 years After decades of colonial economic pilfering A civil war that left the country with no working infrastructure And population density much higher than the uk. And they have contained the virus despite being closer to the epicentre. With pens and paper. There is no excuse for the governments response despite all the bullshit double speak language they use | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. Not if we have had implemented a proper track and trace system form the outset like... Vietnam is a third world country Bombed to shit less than 40 years After decades of colonial economic pilfering A civil war that left the country with no working infrastructure And population density much higher than the uk. And they have contained the virus despite being closer to the epicentre. With pens and paper. There is no excuse for the governments response despite all the bullshit double speak language they use" And you believe their figures do you ? | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. Not if we have had implemented a proper track and trace system form the outset like... Vietnam is a third world country Bombed to shit less than 40 years After decades of colonial economic pilfering A civil war that left the country with no working infrastructure And population density much higher than the uk. And they have contained the virus despite being closer to the epicentre. With pens and paper. There is no excuse for the governments response despite all the bullshit double speak language they use And you believe their figures do you ?" Do you seem mass burials in Vietnam? They also don't have the infrastructure or wealth to cover a mass conspiracy. These are 3rd world countries many other 3rd world countries got it wrong just like the uk Take Iran where religion dictates bodies are buried within days of death... They took to excavatoring mass grave in advance with jcb diggers. There is a healthy amount of skepticism... And there is nutnob conspiracies theories. Vietnam for all its problems including the incumbent government got it right Just like they did when the kicked americas arse with 40 year old weapon systems when America tried to bomb them off the face of the earth. Its not about money it's about attitude and they got the right message out and the citizens followed it | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. Not if we have had implemented a proper track and trace system form the outset like... Vietnam is a third world country Bombed to shit less than 40 years After decades of colonial economic pilfering A civil war that left the country with no working infrastructure And population density much higher than the uk. And they have contained the virus despite being closer to the epicentre. With pens and paper. There is no excuse for the governments response despite all the bullshit double speak language they use And you believe their figures do you ? Do you seem mass burials in Vietnam? They also don't have the infrastructure or wealth to cover a mass conspiracy. These are 3rd world countries many other 3rd world countries got it wrong just like the uk Take Iran where religion dictates bodies are buried within days of death... They took to excavatoring mass grave in advance with jcb diggers. There is a healthy amount of skepticism... And there is nutnob conspiracies theories. Vietnam for all its problems including the incumbent government got it right Just like they did when the kicked americas arse with 40 year old weapon systems when America tried to bomb them off the face of the earth. Its not about money it's about attitude and they got the right message out and the citizens followed it" I believe the figures for Vietnam. But I think there is other factors to be taken into account rather then just our inept government. The whole of that area had low cases..Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand. Whether it was due to their climate. The fact they embrace mask wearing due to SARS. Or it could be they have a in built social distancing eg they dont shake hands ...hands together and now on greeting...I dont know. But I do feel thier governments handled it better then ours. But theres a whole mix of other things too. | |||
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"Apparently the R rate is difficult to work out when the number of cases in the country as a whole are low because spikes end up giving a disproportionate result. Not if we have had implemented a proper track and trace system form the outset like... Vietnam is a third world country Bombed to shit less than 40 years After decades of colonial economic pilfering A civil war that left the country with no working infrastructure And population density much higher than the uk. And they have contained the virus despite being closer to the epicentre. With pens and paper. There is no excuse for the governments response despite all the bullshit double speak language they use And you believe their figures do you ? Do you seem mass burials in Vietnam? They also don't have the infrastructure or wealth to cover a mass conspiracy. These are 3rd world countries many other 3rd world countries got it wrong just like the uk Take Iran where religion dictates bodies are buried within days of death... They took to excavatoring mass grave in advance with jcb diggers. There is a healthy amount of skepticism... And there is nutnob conspiracies theories. Vietnam for all its problems including the incumbent government got it right Just like they did when the kicked americas arse with 40 year old weapon systems when America tried to bomb them off the face of the earth. Its not about money it's about attitude and they got the right message out and the citizens followed it I believe the figures for Vietnam. But I think there is other factors to be taken into account rather then just our inept government. The whole of that area had low cases..Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand. Whether it was due to their climate. The fact they embrace mask wearing due to SARS. Or it could be they have a in built social distancing eg they dont shake hands ...hands together and now on greeting...I dont know. But I do feel thier governments handled it better then ours. But theres a whole mix of other things too." They had low initial transmission because thet acknowledged the threat early that's how track and trace is ment to work. Yes I believe SARS had something to do with that... But even with SARS they took immediate action What was bozo borris doing...when the biological bomb occurred in February when bergamot played valencia in the champions league. He was banging on about brexit and going on daytime TV telling people to shake hands and have a stiff upper lip about the "flu" I also dont buy into the argument of climate correlation and the virus. Brazil and South America are hot as shit and people are dying in the streets. They where literally burning dead covid bodies in open streets in Venezuela Access to direct sunlight and the production of vitamin d... I understand and why so many people are affected in the uk. The skies here are greier than a navy battleship. Vietnams culture does not promote social distancing either... Most Asian counties are densely populated at least in large mega cities. And the touching of hands and shaking them it expected. Its Muslim countries like Iran where touch is limited. However congregating 90% of you male population in local mosques every Friday and communally praying 5 times a day including communal washing facilities before they pray probably didn't help | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing." Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. " Aye right at the start of it I started a thread saying intubation was not the way to do it. I got lambasted all the way to the end of the thread...mainly by people proclaiming they worked in ICU  | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. " But the number of hospital admissions didn't rise so treatment didn't come into it. | |||
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"If the r rate is going up, and death rate going down, this is surely a good thing. Just wanted to run it by the gab sage, cobra department." I think so. Surely then it would be the same as the common cold. High transmission low effect. | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. But the number of hospital admissions didn't rise so treatment didn't come into it." Or as I said or could be more people are asymptomatic. You seem to have taken a side be that politically motivated or another reason Where as I am looking for rational explanations... Whatever happened after blm or your or my reasoning for it. Prior to that, the virus went through an acute deadly phases that shortened the life of many vulnerable people. Maybe the virus is not as lethal as first though to those in good health. Or maybe now the nation is actually taking care of its personal hygiene and the transmission of viruses in general are down. We have all been to a public bathroom... I do to need to tell you how disgusting some peoples level of hygiene is in public | |||
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"If the r rate is going up, and death rate going down, this is surely a good thing. Just wanted to run it by the gab sage, cobra department. I think so. Surely then it would be the same as the common cold. High transmission low effect." I think so. Can we get back to normal now then? | |||
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"I don’t see much information on the after effects. High transmission but low death rate might seem like a good thing. But if it still demolishes your lungs it’s still scary." Friends and family have had the virus with no lasting effects. Just the media publishing scare stories. As a 33 year old athletic person you have nothing to worry about. Get some nuts as they say. | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. Aye right at the start of it I started a thread saying intubation was not the way to do it. I got lambasted all the way to the end of the thread...mainly by people proclaiming they worked in ICU "So how did you treat people gasping for breath and sats in freefall ? Just curious | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. Aye right at the start of it I started a thread saying intubation was not the way to do it. I got lambasted all the way to the end of the thread...mainly by people proclaiming they worked in ICU
So how did you treat people gasping for breath and sats in freefall ?
Just curious"CPAP | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. Aye right at the start of it I started a thread saying intubation was not the way to do it. I got lambasted all the way to the end of the thread...mainly by people proclaiming they worked in ICU
So how did you treat people gasping for breath and sats in freefall ?
Just curious
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. Aye right at the start of it I started a thread saying intubation was not the way to do it. I got lambasted all the way to the end of the thread...mainly by people proclaiming they worked in ICU
So how did you treat people gasping for breath and sats in freefall ?
Just curious
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What else"There was plenty of them about. People with sleep apnea have them in their homes and they were a fraction of the cost of a ventilator. Oh and that's all there was at the time I posted...none of the treatments that have come along since. But hey ..you just come along with your irritating questions from google eh | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing." that last line is what we call "trump maths" we know that disease is spreading if the percentage of extra positives is larger that the percentage of extra cases... and thats is checked over time so they can see these things..... | |||
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"I don’t see much information on the after effects. High transmission but low death rate might seem like a good thing. But if it still demolishes your lungs it’s still scary." This is what scares me | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. that last line is what we call "trump maths" " No, it's what we call Professor Carl Heneghan maths from the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University. See BBC News - Coronavirus: Is the UK in a better position than we think? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852 | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. that last line is what we call "trump maths" No, it's what we call Professor Carl Heneghan maths from the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University. See BBC News - Coronavirus: Is the UK in a better position than we think? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852" one organisation going against the norms of thinking.. well done you" what you have basically said is, using a parallel example, is that there would be a rise in pregnancies if there was a rise in pregnancy tests taken... which would be silly thing to say! the cases out there would still be out there regardless.....what the increased testing does is: a) catch those cases that are already out there... b) alert those people that have it to then change their actions..... so you could actually argue, as most scientists do, that increased testing is a good thing and probably averts more cases! | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. that last line is what we call "trump maths" No, it's what we call Professor Carl Heneghan maths from the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University. See BBC News - Coronavirus: Is the UK in a better position than we think? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852 one organisation going against the norms of thinking.. well done you" what you have basically said is, using a parallel example, is that there would be a rise in pregnancies if there was a rise in pregnancy tests taken... which would be silly thing to say! the cases out there would still be out there regardless.....what the increased testing does is: a) catch those cases that are already out there... b) alert those people that have it to then change their actions..... so you could actually argue, as most scientists do, that increased testing is a good thing and probably averts more cases!" In the past, when there was an outbreak at factory where let's say 50 people catch coronavirus, perhaps three of them would have symptoms serious enough to require a visit to hospital. They would be tested and be positive and the government computer would record 3 cases. Now, that same situation would trigger contact tracing. A mobile test centre would appear and all the employees would be tested together with their families and now you have at least 50 positive tests. Same number of people caught the disease but with increased testing you have nearly twenty times as many covid cases reported. Professor Heneghan is pointing out that what matters is the percentage of tests that prove positive, and that isn't rising. As for your pregnancy test analogy, it is true that if you did more pregnancy tests you would find more pregnancies as you would you would find the asymptomatic pregnancies that spontaneously abort in the early stages which would otherwise go unnoticed. In the same way the increased covid testing finds asymptomatic covid cases. | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. that last line is what we call "trump maths" No, it's what we call Professor Carl Heneghan maths from the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University. See BBC News - Coronavirus: Is the UK in a better position than we think? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852 one organisation going against the norms of thinking.. well done you" what you have basically said is, using a parallel example, is that there would be a rise in pregnancies if there was a rise in pregnancy tests taken... which would be silly thing to say! the cases out there would still be out there regardless.....what the increased testing does is: a) catch those cases that are already out there... b) alert those people that have it to then change their actions..... so you could actually argue, as most scientists do, that increased testing is a good thing and probably averts more cases!" lol. One organisation going against the norm. That organisation being Oxford University. The same Oxford University who discovered dexamethazone could be used as a treatment of Covid, the same Oxford University who are working on a vaccine. Carl Heneghan is not exactly on a par with Vernon Coleman. | |||
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"So ther rate going up and the death rate going down is a good thing, right?? I’d prefer both going down but I’ll take the death rate continuing to fall." I personally would be surprised to see the death rates increase dramatically even if the infection rates pick up. Why? There are several reasons : - Increased testing. The more you test, the more infections you find. At the beginnning of the disease only the sickest were tested (hospital admissions), so the proportion of those tested who subsequently died would be increased. For most, Covid does not result in hospitalisation so they wouldn't previously have been tested. Now they are, the number of infections can be expected to increase but the proportion who subesquently die should fall. - Better awareness. People who are highly vulnerable (and especially those in care settings) are more aware of the disease & are taking better precautions, including seeing early testing & treatment for anyone suspected of having Covid. - Better treatment protocols & drugs are now available, lessening the risk of death for the most severely ill. | |||
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" I think so. Surely then it would be the same as the common cold. High transmission low effect." And surprise surprise one of the causes of the common cold is....... A coronavirus. | |||
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"If the r rate is going up, and death rate going down, this is surely a good thing. Just wanted to run it by the gab sage, cobra department." It can take months for a patient to die. A patient rarely dies inside just a few days. | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. Aye right at the start of it I started a thread saying intubation was not the way to do it. I got lambasted all the way to the end of the thread...mainly by people proclaiming they worked in ICU
So how did you treat people gasping for breath and sats in freefall ?
Just curious
CPAP
They weren't widely available
What else
There was plenty of them about.
People with sleep apnea have them in their homes and they were a fraction of the cost of a ventilator.
Oh and that's all there was at the time I posted...none of the treatments that have come along since.
But hey ..you just come along with your irritating questions from google eh "What a rude arrogant reply to a genuine question Id have thought better from an ICU consultant  | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. Suppose it has nothing to do with the fact we have found better therapeutics for a brand new virus Initially the medical advice was pump lungs up and inflate the problem The new research has provided more efficient ways of combating the virus and all stages. But it's out there now... And no claims by trump that it will "magically" disappear will come true. Let's hope more people are asymptomatic then first projected. Like most virus's its something humans wil learn to live with an adapt too until or (if) a vaccine can be found. Aye right at the start of it I started a thread saying intubation was not the way to do it. I got lambasted all the way to the end of the thread...mainly by people proclaiming they worked in ICU
So how did you treat people gasping for breath and sats in freefall ?
Just curious
CPAP
They weren't widely available
What else
There was plenty of them about.
People with sleep apnea have them in their homes and they were a fraction of the cost of a ventilator.
Oh and that's all there was at the time I posted...none of the treatments that have come along since.
But hey ..you just come along with your irritating questions from google eh
What a rude arrogant reply to a genuine question
Id have thought better from an ICU consultant "And I'd of thought nothing less from a pain in the ass | |||
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"Do you remember how two months ago people were saying how the BLM protests were not social distancing and we would have a spike of hospital cases and deaths......nothing, not even a ripple. Do you remember when people were saying how the stampede to the beaches with no social distancing and we would have a spike in hospital cases and deaths.......nothing, not even a ripple. Oh, and they weren't even wearing masks! The rise in cases is down to the rise in testing. that last line is what we call "trump maths" No, it's what we call Professor Carl Heneghan maths from the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University. See BBC News - Coronavirus: Is the UK in a better position than we think? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852" | |||
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"If R rate up surly more people should be dying People need to stop and think does ir makes sense No More people meeting no social distance getting more infections yet Death rate in last 24 hours was 3 Someone please explain to me...their is a virus i think so much but loads of things don't add up... il tell you when next spike in death will be When they are every year winter coz people die anyway " Well it helps the figures if it takes more then 28 days to die after the initial infection... | |||
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"The number of dead per day used to matter, now it seems to be the number of cases even though they admit it is the younger people who are catching it and they have nothing to fear." I'm just concentrating on the deaths and hospitalisations. | |||
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"If R rate up surly more people should be dying People need to stop and think does ir makes sense No More people meeting no social distance getting more infections yet Death rate in last 24 hours was 3 Someone please explain to me...their is a virus i think so much but loads of things don't add up... il tell you when next spike in death will be When they are every year winter coz people die anyway " What seems to be happening is the virus is spreading within younger, less vulnerable people but it can’t be expected to stay that way. Only time will tell. | |||
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"If R rate up surly more people should be dying People need to stop and think does ir makes sense No More people meeting no social distance getting more infections yet Death rate in last 24 hours was 3 Someone please explain to me...their is a virus i think so much but loads of things don't add up... il tell you when next spike in death will be When they are every year winter coz people die anyway What seems to be happening is the virus is spreading within younger, less vulnerable people but it can’t be expected to stay that way. Only time will tell." Of couse the vulnerable could take it upon themselves to protect themselves. A bit like when flu is doing the rounds. | |||
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"If R rate up surly more people should be dying People need to stop and think does ir makes sense No More people meeting no social distance getting more infections yet Death rate in last 24 hours was 3 Someone please explain to me...their is a virus i think so much but loads of things don't add up... il tell you when next spike in death will be When they are every year winter coz people die anyway What seems to be happening is the virus is spreading within younger, less vulnerable people but it can’t be expected to stay that way. Only time will tell. Of couse the vulnerable could take it upon themselves to protect themselves. A bit like when flu is doing the rounds." Gosh What a sensible suggestion. Far too radical though. | |||
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"As long as the death rate and hospitalisation rates go down, we are still heading in the right direction. " Agree entirely. For me the hospialisation rate is the key statistic.. | |||
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"If R rate up surly more people should be dying People need to stop and think does ir makes sense No More people meeting no social distance getting more infections yet Death rate in last 24 hours was 3 Someone please explain to me...their is a virus i think so much but loads of things don't add up... il tell you when next spike in death will be When they are every year winter coz people die anyway What seems to be happening is the virus is spreading within younger, less vulnerable people but it can’t be expected to stay that way. Only time will tell. Of couse the vulnerable could take it upon themselves to protect themselves. A bit like when flu is doing the rounds." They are. when was the last time you saw a vulnerable person outside? my local supermarket used to be full of them, now its very rare to see any of them. I just hope that they have people looking out for them | |||
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"You mean your blindly believe everything you read and hear , the same people that broke the data protection act, tracking our phone without consent Did you install a track and trace app then?" So that would be "with" consent? Or is it the lizard people elite from their base on the far side of the moon? | |||
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"If R rate up surly more people should be dying People need to stop and think does ir makes sense No More people meeting no social distance getting more infections yet Death rate in last 24 hours was 3 Someone please explain to me...their is a virus i think so much but loads of things don't add up... il tell you when next spike in death will be When they are every year winter coz people die anyway What seems to be happening is the virus is spreading within younger, less vulnerable people but it can’t be expected to stay that way. Only time will tell. Of couse the vulnerable could take it upon themselves to protect themselves. A bit like when flu is doing the rounds. They are. when was the last time you saw a vulnerable person outside? my local supermarket used to be full of them, now its very rare to see any of them. I just hope that they have people looking out for them" How do you spot a vulnerable person. Do they wear some kind of sash around their neck ? | |||
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