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"Yes damning indeed...but it's what we all knew. It's like a step by step guide to what I was questioning from the very beginning. Absolute shambles of governing "Yep, so much just didn't seem right. So many people died who didn't need to | |||
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"Yes damning indeed...but it's what we all knew. It's like a step by step guide to what I was questioning from the very beginning. Absolute shambles of governing
Yep, so much just didn't seem right. So many people died who didn't need to"I was astonished at mates still going to the pub and one going to benidorm for the Cheltenham gold cup. Thier reply was when the government shuts the pubs and stops the flights we will stop going
The fact of it all was that they thought I was mad for worrying...I could not get it across to them.
But the government knew the facts and did shut the pubs and stop the flights But far too late.
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"Hindsight is a wonderfull thing. " Well if its hindsight.. a lot of people had it but unfortunately NONE where in government | |||
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"Hindsight is a wonderfull thing. " Not much of an excuse tbh. They were repeatedly told about it.Surely an over reaction would have been preferable to this. | |||
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"Hindsight is a wonderfull thing. " Yes it is. The day Johnson announced he'd been shaking hands was the VERY SAME DAY SAGE said not to. But we've been "following the science" | |||
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"Pity the Chinese hadn't told us all a lot earlier , you know when they knew there was person to person infection,but silenced the whistleblowers "Damn Chinese! They prevented us from ignoring them since December. We were only able to ignore them since January because of their silence. | |||
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"Pity the Chinese hadn't told us all a lot earlier , you know when they knew there was person to person infection,but silenced the whistleblowers
Damn Chinese! They prevented us from ignoring them since December. We were only able to ignore them since January because of their silence. "
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"There should be a prize for the most outlandish excuse." "The EU wouldn't allow us to take the best measures against the virus." Probably tomorrow's headline, dictated by Conservative Central Office. | |||
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"Pity the Chinese hadn't told us all a lot earlier , you know when they knew there was person to person infection,but silenced the whistleblowers
Damn Chinese! They prevented us from ignoring them since December. We were only able to ignore them since January because of their silence.
Knew it was The chinese all along"Should I mention it all Jeremy Corbyn's fault first  | |||
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"Pity the Chinese hadn't told us all a lot earlier , you know when they knew there was person to person infection,but silenced the whistleblowers
Damn Chinese! They prevented us from ignoring them since December. We were only able to ignore them since January because of their silence.
Knew it was The chinese all along
Should I mention it all Jeremy Corbyn's fault first"
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"We could have learned so much from them if they had off been more open, you know kept the death toll down like they did...was it 3000 or 4,500...better than most countries apart from Taiwan...oops dont mention Taiwan..." Thought we couldn't trust the Chinese? | |||
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"Tories. What did you lot expect? What til Brexit is done with broken Britain will be a small insignificamt pile of ash. We will have blue passports however and we can all be proud of that. GSTQ" Wait for it...'we won, suck it up'....or some other such shit. They can't even tell you what they won | |||
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"Pity we weren't still in the E. U., you know for their coordination during the pandemic..." Aye. Far better going our own way. | |||
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"Indeed,End all this Globalization nonsense...." You do realise you have benefitted from it? | |||
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"Yes damning indeed...but it's what we all knew. It's like a step by step guide to what I was questioning from the very beginning. Absolute shambles of governing
Yep, so much just didn't seem right. So many people died who didn't need to"Ok who has died that didnt need to, have hospitals been overwhelmed have the nhs run out of ventilators? There is no vaccine for the vulnerable and wont be for many months and possibly never if the virus mutates as is being claimed it is doing. The only possible route is that those who are healthy get infected and immunity which reduces the risk to the vulnerable. The alternative is what we have now and only an idiot thinks that can carry on. There is no cure for the virus and it cant be stopped from spreading if life is to survive. How many people are alleged to have died due to austerity, it has been claimed its 160,000, how many will die when the worlds economy is destroyed which is where its heading if lockdown continues until a vaccine arrives | |||
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"Ok who has died that didnt need to, " Clearly nobody that you care about. We'll never know exactly how many but I'll start with 100+ doctors and nurses. | |||
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And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking. | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking. "Oh look, someone mindlessly accepting what the government tells them
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, someone mindlessly accepting what the government tells them
Tell me, did you vote for Brexit?"As opposed to what exactly? Mindlessly accepting what someone on a swinging forum tells people? The government are doing a good job. Is it perfect, no, could it have been done differently, possibly. Is endlessly moaning and complaining whilst we are still in the middle of a global pandemic actually going to help, no. I'm far more concerned with actually trying to help people and do what I can right now to make the situation a bit better, even if it's for a a small handful of people. The time for political recriminations comes later, when people have stopped dying. | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking. "Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it! | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, someone mindlessly accepting what the government tells them
Tell me, did you vote for Brexit?
As opposed to what exactly? Mindlessly accepting what someone on a swinging forum tells people?
The government are doing a good job. Is it perfect, no, could it have been done differently, possibly. Is endlessly moaning and complaining whilst we are still in the middle of a global pandemic actually going to help, no. I'm far more concerned with actually trying to help people and do what I can right now to make the situation a bit better, even if it's for a a small handful of people. The time for political recriminations comes later, when people have stopped dying."You mean when it's all swept under the carpet. Boris is really gonna take the blame for this isn't he? Great track record for taking the blame. Where is that Russia report, anybody?? | |||
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"Yes damning indeed...but it's what we all knew. It's like a step by step guide to what I was questioning from the very beginning. Absolute shambles of governing
Yep, so much just didn't seem right. So many people died who didn't need to
Ok who has died that didnt need to, have hospitals been overwhelmed have the nhs run out of ventilators? There is no vaccine for the vulnerable and wont be for many months and possibly never if the virus mutates as is being claimed it is doing. The only possible route is that those who are healthy get infected and immunity which reduces the risk to the vulnerable. The alternative is what we have now and only an idiot thinks that can carry on. There is no cure for the virus and it cant be stopped from spreading if life is to survive. How many people are alleged to have died due to austerity, it has been claimed its 160,000, how many will die when the worlds economy is destroyed which is where its heading if lockdown continues until a vaccine arrives"Good lord, presumably they all deserved to? | |||
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"Dont think so, Furloughed, unsure off job now , .....I wonder how that Chinese Chernobyl reached these fair shores....." You have be eating cheap food, buying cheap electronics and wearing cheap clothes....I can't believe I'm having to explain this. | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!"Yes you can criticise the government, but that's all you do, so easy to complain. Much harder to actually do anything better. And as much as you can criticise the government, I can criticise you for endless complaining simply for the sake of complaining. It helps nothing and an endless stream of negativity will actually be harming people who are struggling with being confined and possibly jobless right now. Stop moaning and go do something to help if you think you can do better. | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
Yes you can criticise the government, but that's all you do, so easy to complain. Much harder to actually do anything better. And as much as you can criticise the government, I can criticise you for endless complaining simply for the sake of complaining. It helps nothing and an endless stream of negativity will actually be harming people who are struggling with being confined and possibly jobless right now.
Stop moaning and go do something to help if you think you can do better." | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, someone mindlessly accepting what the government tells them
Tell me, did you vote for Brexit?
As opposed to what exactly? Mindlessly accepting what someone on a swinging forum tells people?
The government are doing a good job. Is it perfect, no, could it have been done differently, possibly. Is endlessly moaning and complaining whilst we are still in the middle of a global pandemic actually going to help, no. I'm far more concerned with actually trying to help people and do what I can right now to make the situation a bit better, even if it's for a a small handful of people. The time for political recriminations comes later, when people have stopped dying."Wanders if definition of "good job"has radically changed? | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
Yes you can criticise the government, but that's all you do, so easy to complain. Much harder to actually do anything better. And as much as you can criticise the government, I can criticise you for endless complaining simply for the sake of complaining. It helps nothing and an endless stream of negativity will actually be harming people who are struggling with being confined and possibly jobless right now.
Stop moaning and go do something to help if you think you can do better."You know you don't have to read the posts, yeah? | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
Yes you can criticise the government, but that's all you do, so easy to complain. Much harder to actually do anything better. And as much as you can criticise the government, I can criticise you for endless complaining simply for the sake of complaining. It helps nothing and an endless stream of negativity will actually be harming people who are struggling with being confined and possibly jobless right now.
Stop moaning and go do something to help if you think you can do better.
You know you don't have to read the posts, yeah?"Hey, maybe I think (as do a lot of others) that this country deserves better than the bunch of con men currently doing the job. It's my right to say so as it yours to disagree. Freedom of speech, great eh! | |||
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"Yes damning indeed...but it's what we all knew. It's like a step by step guide to what I was questioning from the very beginning. Absolute shambles of governing
Yep, so much just didn't seem right. So many people died who didn't need to
Ok who has died that didnt need to, have hospitals been overwhelmed have the nhs run out of ventilators? There is no vaccine for the vulnerable and wont be for many months and possibly never if the virus mutates as is being claimed it is doing. The only possible route is that those who are healthy get infected and immunity which reduces the risk to the vulnerable. The alternative is what we have now and only an idiot thinks that can carry on. There is no cure for the virus and it cant be stopped from spreading if life is to survive. How many people are alleged to have died due to austerity, it has been claimed its 160,000, how many will die when the worlds economy is destroyed which is where its heading if lockdown continues until a vaccine arrives"Did you miss your evaluation of what other countries have been doing that's been somewhat more effective than the UK? Perhaps, so it's worth a little study. If the numbers of people infected are minimised, it's much, much easier to test them, trace their contacts and isolate all that are infected. Quite a few countries started similarly to the UK, behind countries like Italy, France and Spain and instead benefitted from that delay, to respond with more precise effectiveness. Look at some of the Asian countries, also New Zealand, South Africa and others. | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!"We dont know and wont know which country has the highest number of deaths for at least 12 months, most countries are recording deaths in different ways, most countries have done the same as us with regards to lockdown just at different times due to the first cases arriving at different times. | |||
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"And of course if Labour had one the election in December, nobody would have died, there would be enough PPE, testing centres and food in the supermarkets. We would all live happily ever after. I'm sorry Op but you are talking Bollox. Of course mistakes have been made but I forgot the Labour Party never makes mistakes. I haven't a clue if the government are doing the right thing or not but at least they are doing something and trying to get us out of this. Be positive, come up with ideas, raise some funds, just don't keep criticising, it gets you nowhere and makes you look like a twat. " You realise the labour party are not in power.? | |||
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"And of course if Labour had one the election in December, nobody would have died, there would be enough PPE, testing centres and food in the supermarkets. We would all live happily ever after. I'm sorry Op but you are talking Bollox. Of course mistakes have been made but I forgot the Labour Party never makes mistakes. I haven't a clue if the government are doing the right thing or not but at least they are doing something and trying to get us out of this. Be positive, come up with ideas, raise some funds, just don't keep criticising, it gets you nowhere and makes you look like a twat. " Maybe, just maybe, this isn't about party politics but is about a government who did too little too late? | |||
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"Yes damning indeed...but it's what we all knew. It's like a step by step guide to what I was questioning from the very beginning. Absolute shambles of governing
Yep, so much just didn't seem right. So many people died who didn't need to
Ok who has died that didnt need to, have hospitals been overwhelmed have the nhs run out of ventilators? There is no vaccine for the vulnerable and wont be for many months and possibly never if the virus mutates as is being claimed it is doing. The only possible route is that those who are healthy get infected and immunity which reduces the risk to the vulnerable. The alternative is what we have now and only an idiot thinks that can carry on. There is no cure for the virus and it cant be stopped from spreading if life is to survive. How many people are alleged to have died due to austerity, it has been claimed its 160,000, how many will die when the worlds economy is destroyed which is where its heading if lockdown continues until a vaccine arrives
Good lord, presumably they all deserved to? "Once again I will ask you what would you have done differently? Funny how all the monsters never have any idea how to stop this virus, by the time china put their hands up to the problem it was running rife in europe, france had its first case mid dec | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
We dont know and wont know which country has the highest number of deaths for at least 12 months, most countries are recording deaths in different ways, most countries have done the same as us with regards to lockdown just at different times due to the first cases arriving at different times. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. | |||
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"Yes damning indeed...but it's what we all knew. It's like a step by step guide to what I was questioning from the very beginning. Absolute shambles of governing
Yep, so much just didn't seem right. So many people died who didn't need to
Ok who has died that didnt need to, have hospitals been overwhelmed have the nhs run out of ventilators? There is no vaccine for the vulnerable and wont be for many months and possibly never if the virus mutates as is being claimed it is doing. The only possible route is that those who are healthy get infected and immunity which reduces the risk to the vulnerable. The alternative is what we have now and only an idiot thinks that can carry on. There is no cure for the virus and it cant be stopped from spreading if life is to survive. How many people are alleged to have died due to austerity, it has been claimed its 160,000, how many will die when the worlds economy is destroyed which is where its heading if lockdown continues until a vaccine arrives
Good lord, presumably they all deserved to?
Once again I will ask you what would you have done differently?
Funny how all the monsters never have any idea how to stop this virus, by the time china put their hands up to the problem it was running rife in europe, france had its first case mid dec "Erm, not held Cheltenham. Locked down earlier, and shut the pubs instead of saying 'dont go' but leaving them open. You know, the stuff other countries did. | |||
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"And of course if Labour had one the election in December, nobody would have died, there would be enough PPE, testing centres and food in the supermarkets. We would all live happily ever after. I'm sorry Op but you are talking Bollox. Of course mistakes have been made but I forgot the Labour Party never makes mistakes. I haven't a clue if the government are doing the right thing or not but at least they are doing something and trying to get us out of this. Be positive, come up with ideas, raise some funds, just don't keep criticising, it gets you nowhere and makes you look like a twat. Maybe, just maybe, this isn't about party politics but is about a government who did too little too late?" I have no political allegiance but its the same faces hating on the government over and over again. It is party politics from them it sticks out like a sore thumb. The hatred just oozes from them. | |||
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"And of course if Labour had one the election in December, nobody would have died, there would be enough PPE, testing centres and food in the supermarkets. We would all live happily ever after. I'm sorry Op but you are talking Bollox. Of course mistakes have been made but I forgot the Labour Party never makes mistakes. I haven't a clue if the government are doing the right thing or not but at least they are doing something and trying to get us out of this. Be positive, come up with ideas, raise some funds, just don't keep criticising, it gets you nowhere and makes you look like a twat. Maybe, just maybe, this isn't about party politics but is about a government who did too little too late? I have no political allegiance but its the same faces hating on the government over and over again. It is party politics from them it sticks out like a sore thumb. The hatred just oozes from them." And you're certain it's they who are wrong, and not the government? | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!". Actually we haven’t got the worst result In Europe please look at Belgium ... and the figures that are not being released by various “European “ countries. ... at least we are being open about death tolls etc etc. If you don’t like the government do something about it. ..oh sorry. We’ve just had an overwhelming election result. ... we’ve got a government ... put up with it and just think of the debacle that Corbin and nazis would of made it. | |||
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"Oh look, the OP started another government bashing thread.
And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
We dont know and wont know which country has the highest number of deaths for at least 12 months, most countries are recording deaths in different ways, most countries have done the same as us with regards to lockdown just at different times due to the first cases arriving at different times. "Measures have been quite different in many countries. Testing levels are 1 critical aspect, as you can then more fully understand where the country is at, becoming better able to plan steps forward, based on reality. Lockdowns have been implemented more rapidly in other countries. With exponential growth in infection numbers, doubling every couple of days or so, delays in lockdown of just a couple of days can mean that you now have a problem that's twice the size that you could have had, for example. Tracing contacts is easier with a lower level of people infected. You need to be doing testing to support this. We're only just starting to test in reasonable volumes that need to be significantly increased, to try to catch up. | |||
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"Ok who has died that didnt need to, Clearly nobody that you care about. We'll never know exactly how many but I'll start with 100+ doctors and nurses." Actually one of my friends has died with it but he was dying from another cause and at least this was a quicker end to his suffering, the huge majority of people in this country will catch it within the next few months unless lockdown continues, no country has or will lockdown for months, it isnt possible. | |||
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"And of course if Labour had one the election in December, nobody would have died, there would be enough PPE, testing centres and food in the supermarkets. We would all live happily ever after. I'm sorry Op but you are talking Bollox. Of course mistakes have been made but I forgot the Labour Party never makes mistakes. I haven't a clue if the government are doing the right thing or not but at least they are doing something and trying to get us out of this. Be positive, come up with ideas, raise some funds, just don't keep criticising, it gets you nowhere and makes you look like a twat. " Nobody is saying Labour wouldn't have made mistakes but they aren't the ones dealing with this, and if they were it would be on the back of a decade of austerity. Fundraising? Why do we need to do that? Saying "what if your boy was in charge" just deflects from the shitshow we've got. That you clearly voted for. The OP links to an article from the other side of the world, outside looking in. The horror that we were all looking at Italy with? That's us now. | |||
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And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
We dont know and wont know which country has the highest number of deaths for at least 12 months, most countries are recording deaths in different ways, most countries have done the same as us with regards to lockdown just at different times due to the first cases arriving at different times.
Measures have been quite different in many countries.
Testing levels are 1 critical aspect, as you can then more fully understand where the country is at, becoming better able to plan steps forward, based on reality.
Lockdowns have been implemented more rapidly in other countries. With exponential growth in infection numbers, doubling every couple of days or so, delays in lockdown of just a couple of days can mean that you now have a problem that's twice the size that you could have had, for example.
Tracing contacts is easier with a lower level of people infected. You need to be doing testing to support this. We're only just starting to test in reasonable volumes that need to be significantly increased, to try to catch up. "Countries only lockdown to stop health services being overwhelmed, the nhs has not been, nor has it run out of ventilators | |||
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"They are still letting people in the country without quarantinefor 14 days. That a good idea then??" I don't think it is. Arriving people are still in fairly low volume, which helps a tiny bit. We should be handling immigrants differently, possibly including making foreign airports responsible for some evaluation and restrictions before allowing anyone to board for the uk. | |||
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"And of course if Labour had one the election in December, nobody would have died, there would be enough PPE, testing centres and food in the supermarkets. We would all live happily ever after. I'm sorry Op but you are talking Bollox. Of course mistakes have been made but I forgot the Labour Party never makes mistakes. I haven't a clue if the government are doing the right thing or not but at least they are doing something and trying to get us out of this. Be positive, come up with ideas, raise some funds, just don't keep criticising, it gets you nowhere and makes you look like a twat. Maybe, just maybe, this isn't about party politics but is about a government who did too little too late? I have no political allegiance but its the same faces hating on the government over and over again. It is party politics from them it sticks out like a sore thumb. The hatred just oozes from them. Any party that had been so ridiculously inept would have got criticised. A horrid mix of English exceptionalism, arrogance and just downright incompetence has led to people dying that didn't need to." You say that but if your party was in government would you be so damning? | |||
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"The government dropped the ball on this no question what so ever. We would never have been able to emulate NZ however we could have followed Germany’s example. The Government have done positive things but the bad is more than the good. Couple the above with a population that is sadly not as socially responsible as other countries and that’s why we have such a high death rate. We should have locked down early. Locked down harder and tested tested tested. " | |||
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"Whatever rights & wrongs of Uk handling, not sure OP's source is the best source of impartial journalism... Bevan Shields' love fest for new Uk labour leadership. Url prob says enough https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/britain-has-a-credible-opposition-again-and-just-in-time-too-20200423-p54mdk.html" There are plenty more articles... | |||
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And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. "I did. I have, regularly. Except since the sexual assault allegations he's closed all his social media accounts and when he got told to shut up criticising Brexit by his boss he's stopped replying to email. Any email. Still, it's s Tory safe seat where their campaign organiser said they'd elect a pig if it had a blue rosette on it, so no difference, really. | |||
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And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
We dont know and wont know which country has the highest number of deaths for at least 12 months, most countries are recording deaths in different ways, most countries have done the same as us with regards to lockdown just at different times due to the first cases arriving at different times.
Measures have been quite different in many countries.
Testing levels are 1 critical aspect, as you can then more fully understand where the country is at, becoming better able to plan steps forward, based on reality.
Lockdowns have been implemented more rapidly in other countries. With exponential growth in infection numbers, doubling every couple of days or so, delays in lockdown of just a couple of days can mean that you now have a problem that's twice the size that you could have had, for example.
Tracing contacts is easier with a lower level of people infected. You need to be doing testing to support this. We're only just starting to test in reasonable volumes that need to be significantly increased, to try to catch up.
Countries only lockdown to stop health services being overwhelmed, the nhs has not been, nor has it run out of ventilators "It's good that you have researched those other countries which started from a similar position. You may consider that it's humane to lockdown too, to prevent loss of life as well as having survivors forced to live with lifelong damage to their health. This infection is resulting in damage to circulatory symptoms including the heart, organ damage, including brain and cognitive decline, gastrointestinal damage, as well as lung and kidney problems. | |||
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"Whatever rights & wrongs of Uk handling, not sure OP's source is the best source of impartial journalism... Bevan Shields' love fest for new Uk labour leadership. Url prob says enough https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/britain-has-a-credible-opposition-again-and-just-in-time-too-20200423-p54mdk.html" And in the original article, what isn't true? Apologies for the B word here but it comes back to that. The defenders of the government here are the same ones in the Brexit argument. When you ask them for facts to disprove anything negative there's just noise. What has actually gone well here? Sunak has supported as many people as possible and, also changed the rules a couple of times to help more when the original plan missed people out. Apart from that it's a fuckup and everyone denies responsibility. Johnson talked about success. Feel free to give specifics if you agree with him. | |||
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"Whatever rights & wrongs of Uk handling, not sure OP's source is the best source of impartial journalism... Bevan Shields' love fest for new Uk labour leadership. Url prob says enough https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/britain-has-a-credible-opposition-again-and-just-in-time-too-20200423-p54mdk.html And in the original article, what isn't true? Apologies for the B word here but it comes back to that. The defenders of the government here are the same ones in the Brexit argument. When you ask them for facts to disprove anything negative there's just noise. What has actually gone well here? Sunak has supported as many people as possible and, also changed the rules a couple of times to help more when the original plan missed people out. Apart from that it's a fuckup and everyone denies responsibility. Johnson talked about success. Feel free to give specifics if you agree with him." Sunak has been the only decent thing is this shit shower of a government | |||
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"And of course if Labour had one the election in December, nobody would have died, there would be enough PPE, testing centres and food in the supermarkets. We would all live happily ever after. I'm sorry Op but you are talking Bollox. Of course mistakes have been made but I forgot the Labour Party never makes mistakes. I haven't a clue if the government are doing the right thing or not but at least they are doing something and trying to get us out of this. Be positive, come up with ideas, raise some funds, just don't keep criticising, it gets you nowhere and makes you look like a twat. Maybe, just maybe, this isn't about party politics but is about a government who did too little too late? I have no political allegiance but its the same faces hating on the government over and over again. It is party politics from them it sticks out like a sore thumb. The hatred just oozes from them." Sorry it's not! It's about a incompetent government that is costing lives ffs | |||
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"First of all, COVID-19 was not our Governments fault. Lack off PPE in Care Homes and the NHS was not our Governments fault. COVID-19 is far from over and apart from those countries that are sparsely populated, every Government has failed. Personally I am grateful that we have the best government in power, working night and day to try and get us over this rather than criticising from behind a keyboard. It could have been much worse, Jeremy Corbyn could have got in to Government and then contracted COVID-19 like Boris did and then we would have Diane Abbott running the country - so think on!!!!!" Here we go again, defend a government by saying what the people who didn't win would of done. Such a lazy defense | |||
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And before you start, no this isn't "calling out the government" or "holding them to account". If you want to do any of that, write to your MP. Better still, let us all know what you wrote to them before they took steps to act on the virus pandemic. Seeing as it was obviously so easy to see what was coming and exactly what steps they should have been taking.
Oh look, another person not asking why we had the worst result in Europe, worse than Italy, yet had warning. Besides, I didn't write the article. I am allowed to criticise the government, as we all are. Go live in China if you don't like it!
We dont know and wont know which country has the highest number of deaths for at least 12 months, most countries are recording deaths in different ways, most countries have done the same as us with regards to lockdown just at different times due to the first cases arriving at different times.
Measures have been quite different in many countries.
Testing levels are 1 critical aspect, as you can then more fully understand where the country is at, becoming better able to plan steps forward, based on reality.
Lockdowns have been implemented more rapidly in other countries. With exponential growth in infection numbers, doubling every couple of days or so, delays in lockdown of just a couple of days can mean that you now have a problem that's twice the size that you could have had, for example.
Tracing contacts is easier with a lower level of people infected. You need to be doing testing to support this. We're only just starting to test in reasonable volumes that need to be significantly increased, to try to catch up.
Countries only lockdown to stop health services being overwhelmed, the nhs has not been, nor has it run out of ventilators
It's good that you have researched those other countries which started from a similar position. You may consider that it's humane to lockdown too, to prevent loss of life as well as having survivors forced to live with lifelong damage to their health.
This infection is resulting in damage to circulatory symptoms including the heart, organ damage, including brain and cognitive decline, gastrointestinal damage, as well as lung and kidney problems. "So how do YOU suggest we stop people catching it ? Once again people claim that 160,000 died from austerity, if that was true how many millions would die from the economic fall out from locking every man woman and child in their own home, so no hospital staff at work no police, fire or other emergency staff on the streets, no food shops open no electric or water supplies etc etc. | |||
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"It's very easy to judge on something we havent got to make a decision about.. also it is actually impossible to compare figures from country to country and the thing is we wont know the true figures for many years. Its easy to say we should have locked down earlier or harder... but unlike other countries we probably would have ended up with civil unrest just when we were hitting our peak. Also we are mostly restricting people to make sure that the nhs isnt overwhelmed. One thing that has become clear is that we have a lot of people with underlying health issues. Perhaps it's a wake up call.. as we dont have the healthiest of populations to start with we have a much higher obesity rate than most of our European cousins. ( I know it's not as black and white as that) Our diets in general tend to be worse too.. and that is going to have some impact on a virus that hits those less than healthy. I groaned despite having voted Tory locally when Boris became Prime Minister yet was glad to see him make it through and come back on board to try and steer this lard arse ship to some sort of future. If we had put more restrictions in earlier people would have just started to ignore them earlier. We are much more disobedient as a nation than mainland Europe. Unless a firm hand is used. And if a firm hand is used we whinge about our human rights.. glad I dont have to make the decisions being made daily " So, let's not have any accountability? Let's lurch from one disaster to the next? Agree with lots you have said, but the buck has to stop somewhere. | |||
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" Here we go again, defend a government by saying what the people who didn't win would of done. Such a lazy defense" Not a lazy defence at all! The Virus does not move, it is the people that move the Virus. The Government said "Stay In", the people can not follow that simple instruction, so it matters not who is in Power! | |||
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Oh look, someone mindlessly accepting what the government tells them
Tell me, did you vote for Brexit?"If they did or did not vote for brexit I don't know but I seem to remember the government of that time was firmly advising people to vote remain. So if your correct then I guess he voted remain | |||
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"Hindsight is a fantastic blame tool. But hindsight also never looks at the negative could haves. We could have put everyone in an India style lockdown for 2 weeks. We could have welded apartment block doors shut, as China did. We could have stopped every single flight landing into the UK. We could have left UK citizens abroad and not tried everything to get them home. We could have a government leader that publicly thinks shining ultra violet light inside someone or injecting bleach may help cure the virus. I'm glad we have a government who is trying its hardest to get on top of things. But I am sad I will not see a press conference with Diane Abbott in charge, would certainly brighten my day. "
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"First of all, COVID-19 was not our Governments fault. Lack off PPE in Care Homes and the NHS was not our Governments fault. COVID-19 is far from over and apart from those countries that are sparsely populated, every Government has failed. Personally I am grateful that we have the best government in power, working night and day to try and get us over this rather than criticising from behind a keyboard. It could have been much worse, Jeremy Corbyn could have got in to Government and then contracted COVID-19 like Boris did and then we would have Diane Abbott running the country - so think on!!!!!" A couple of points there. If the government isn't responsible for lack of PPE then who is? If Corbyn had won the election then he may not have gone round shaking hands the same day he was told not to. If he had and got sick, Emily Thornberry would have deputised and not Diane Abbott. Abbott's shadow if she was in government would be Patel, who we now know can't read numbers off an autocue, and thinks a lack of shoplifting in closed shops is a success. Do you have any FACTS in support of the government? Actual examples. Stuff they've got right. Anything at all. | |||
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"Hindsight is a fantastic blame tool. But hindsight also never looks at the negative could haves. We could have put everyone in an India style lockdown for 2 weeks. We could have welded apartment block doors shut, as China did. We could have stopped every single flight landing into the UK. We could have left UK citizens abroad and not tried everything to get them home. We could have a government leader that publicly thinks shining ultra violet light inside someone or injecting bleach may help cure the virus. I'm glad we have a government who is trying its hardest to get on top of things. But I am sad I will not see a press conference with Diane Abbott in charge, would certainly brighten my day. "We are not talking about those things though. We are talking about simple things that would have saved lives. How the fuck was Cheltenham allowed to go ahead? That last night the pubs were open, people flocked out. How many did that kill? We had the option to just shut the pubs, no we just told people not to go. It was simple things,that a lot of us were shouting about at the time and simply didn't happen. I stopped my my son seeing his nan two weeks before we locked down. An idiot like me (I know you will love that bit) could see it but the twat running the country went round shaking hands with Covid patients and crowdfunding Big Ben for Brexit fucking bongs!!ffs | |||
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"It's amazing what you can do with statistics. Just been on telly. The number of deaths per 100,000 people. We are well down the table and for goodness sake the US is even better than the UK. Lefties please go and take your doom and gloom elsewhere as it's boring to be honest." We're supposedly 2 weeks behind Italy. The figure will likely go past their's this week and Spain's next. Deaths per 100,000 Belgium 68.7 Spain 54.1 Italy 47.8 UK 42.9 USA 20.7 Figures from Johns Hopkins yesterday. | |||
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"It's amazing what you can do with statistics. Just been on telly. The number of deaths per 100,000 people. We are well down the table and for goodness sake the US is even better than the UK. Lefties please go and take your doom and gloom elsewhere as it's boring to be honest. We're supposedly 2 weeks behind Italy. The figure will likely go past their's this week and Spain's next. Deaths per 100,000 Belgium 68.7 Spain 54.1 Italy 47.8 UK 42.9 USA 20.7 Figures from Johns Hopkins yesterday." I wonder what the figures for Germany, South Korea, Denmark, and New Zealand are like? You know, the countries people are saying we should've responded in the same way as? | |||
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"It's amazing what you can do with statistics. Just been on telly. The number of deaths per 100,000 people. We are well down the table and for goodness sake the US is even better than the UK. Lefties please go and take your doom and gloom elsewhere as it's boring to be honest. We're supposedly 2 weeks behind Italy. The figure will likely go past their's this week and Spain's next. Deaths per 100,000 Belgium 68.7 Spain 54.1 Italy 47.8 UK 42.9 USA 20.7 Figures from Johns Hopkins yesterday. I wonder what the figures for Germany, South Korea, Denmark, and New Zealand are like? You know, the countries people are saying we should've responded in the same way as?" S Korea, Denmark and NZ aren't on the table I quoted. Germany is 8.3, Holland 29.4, France 37.2. | |||
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"First of all, COVID-19 was not our Governments fault. Lack off PPE in Care Homes and the NHS was not our Governments fault. COVID-19 is far from over and apart from those countries that are sparsely populated, every Government has failed. Personally I am grateful that we have the best government in power, working night and day to try and get us over this rather than criticising from behind a keyboard. It could have been much worse, Jeremy Corbyn could have got in to Government and then contracted COVID-19 like Boris did and then we would have Diane Abbott running the country - so think on!!!!! A couple of points there. If the government isn't responsible for lack of PPE then who is? If Corbyn had won the election then he may not have gone round shaking hands the same day he was told not to. If he had and got sick, Emily Thornberry would have deputised and not Diane Abbott. Abbott's shadow if she was in government would be Patel, who we now know can't read numbers off an autocue, and thinks a lack of shoplifting in closed shops is a success. Do you have any FACTS in support of the government? Actual examples. Stuff they've got right. Anything at all. Quite easy to tell you who is responsible for PPE, your not going to like it I’m afraid but here goes... The managers of the NHS are the procurement sources, the government only gives them the money to buy it. Also the government are not responsible for the logistics but they did give the NHS army when needed. So I can’t really see how the government are to blame. Thing is the NHS managers did not pre empt the 4 weeks pipeline ordering (thats how long it takes container ship to come from......CHINA) then they think oh how did we end up in that situation, well you stopped ordering from local sources, mistake all the eggs in one basket and that was China’s, so who did that, not the goverment the NHS procurement. Then came the care homes shouting for PPE well guess what the majority of care home are private business's, around about 80%+ It is also not the responsibility of the goverment to order PPE for the private care homes, the others are council led therefore which ever banner they are under it is down to them. There are all these people hiding behind the goverment when in reality it is the NHS managers and care home managers . Not to worry though all our stirling journalists and crayon munching joe public who believe the tripe they publish, to bash the goverment because they didn't vote for Brexit. I’m not having a go at the NHS at all as I’m sure they did not know how huge this would be but the supply of PPE was down to them and if you google the NHS supply chain you will see back in early Feb they said they had stockpiles, then went on to say in March they were checking dates for products coming from China to make sure didn’t fall short and if it looked like they would then they would look to source from the UK or Europe well guess what this is a worldwide problem and everyone worldwide was wanting PPE so someone somewhere was going to fall short. At the end of the day there’s only one place to lay blame for this and that’s where it came from. "
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"First of all, COVID-19 was not our Governments fault. Lack off PPE in Care Homes and the NHS was not our Governments fault. COVID-19 is far from over and apart from those countries that are sparsely populated, every Government has failed. Personally I am grateful that we have the best government in power, working night and day to try and get us over this rather than criticising from behind a keyboard. It could have been much worse, Jeremy Corbyn could have got in to Government and then contracted COVID-19 like Boris did and then we would have Diane Abbott running the country - so think on!!!!! A couple of points there. If the government isn't responsible for lack of PPE then who is? If Corbyn had won the election then he may not have gone round shaking hands the same day he was told not to. If he had and got sick, Emily Thornberry would have deputised and not Diane Abbott. Abbott's shadow if she was in government would be Patel, who we now know can't read numbers off an autocue, and thinks a lack of shoplifting in closed shops is a success. Do you have any FACTS in support of the government? Actual examples. Stuff they've got right. Anything at all. Quite easy to tell you who is responsible for PPE, your not going to like it I’m afraid but here goes... The managers of the NHS are the procurement sources, the government only gives them the money to buy it. Also the government are not responsible for the logistics but they did give the NHS army when needed. So I can’t really see how the government are to blame. Thing is the NHS managers did not pre empt the 4 weeks pipeline ordering (thats how long it takes container ship to come from......CHINA) then they think oh how did we end up in that situation, well you stopped ordering from local sources, mistake all the eggs in one basket and that was China’s, so who did that, not the goverment the NHS procurement. Then came the care homes shouting for PPE well guess what the majority of care home are private business's, around about 80%+ It is also not the responsibility of the goverment to order PPE for the private care homes, the others are council led therefore which ever banner they are under it is down to them. There are all these people hiding behind the goverment when in reality it is the NHS managers and care home managers . Not to worry though all our stirling journalists and crayon munching joe public who believe the tripe they publish, to bash the goverment because they didn't vote for Brexit. I’m not having a go at the NHS at all as I’m sure they did not know how huge this would be but the supply of PPE was down to them and if you google the NHS supply chain you will see back in early Feb they said they had stockpiles, then went on to say in March they were checking dates for products coming from China to make sure didn’t fall short and if it looked like they would then they would look to source from the UK or Europe well guess what this is a worldwide problem and everyone worldwide was wanting PPE so someone somewhere was going to fall short. At the end of the day there’s only one place to lay blame for this and that’s where it came from. " That's quite the rant, the only problem is that you have no idea how NHS procurement works. | |||
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"Can someone please explain why the UK government still think that herd immunity for the bulk of the population is the answer when countries that didn't have enough testing capabilities ie Spain and Italy had a total lock down, not a partial one like us. Countries that have adopted a partial lock down approach also had enough testing capacity to contain the outbreak. In the UK approximately 19 million people still go out to work every day (6 million workers furloughed and 3 million working from home out of an estimated workforce of 27 million) and we wonder why the death toll is so high." So furlough more workers ? | |||
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"Behind every number be it in UK or abroad is a tragedy I see today's briefing show we have more deaths than Italy though also after the briefing BBC pundits show different caveats like population difference ect ect What puzzles me is why did the Italian health system which is one of the very best become overwhelmed and NHS did not Not judging its a genuine question" The virus in Italy was largely confined to the northern provinces due to the lock down imposed in early March, a proper lock down not the restrictions we have here, which prevented the scale of infection suffered in the north being repeated across the rest of Italy. In reality it was only hospitals in Northern Italy that were overwhelmed, but the fact that Italy has a very old population and by the time the lock down was introduced the virus had already taken hold, meant a huge number of hospitalisations. | |||
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"First of all, COVID-19 was not our Governments fault. Lack off PPE in Care Homes and the NHS was not our Governments fault. COVID-19 is far from over and apart from those countries that are sparsely populated, every Government has failed. Personally I am grateful that we have the best government in power, working night and day to try and get us over this rather than criticising from behind a keyboard. It could have been much worse, Jeremy Corbyn could have got in to Government and then contracted COVID-19 like Boris did and then we would have Diane Abbott running the country - so think on!!!!! A couple of points there. If the government isn't responsible for lack of PPE then who is? If Corbyn had won the election then he may not have gone round shaking hands the same day he was told not to. If he had and got sick, Emily Thornberry would have deputised and not Diane Abbott. Abbott's shadow if she was in government would be Patel, who we now know can't read numbers off an autocue, and thinks a lack of shoplifting in closed shops is a success. Do you have any FACTS in support of the government? Actual examples. Stuff they've got right. Anything at all. Quite easy to tell you who is responsible for PPE, your not going to like it I’m afraid but here goes... The managers of the NHS are the procurement sources, the government only gives them the money to buy it. Also the government are not responsible for the logistics but they did give the NHS army when needed. So I can’t really see how the government are to blame. Thing is the NHS managers did not pre empt the 4 weeks pipeline ordering (thats how long it takes container ship to come from......CHINA) then they think oh how did we end up in that situation, well you stopped ordering from local sources, mistake all the eggs in one basket and that was China’s, so who did that, not the goverment the NHS procurement. Then came the care homes shouting for PPE well guess what the majority of care home are private business's, around about 80%+ It is also not the responsibility of the goverment to order PPE for the private care homes, the others are council led therefore which ever banner they are under it is down to them. There are all these people hiding behind the goverment when in reality it is the NHS managers and care home managers . Not to worry though all our stirling journalists and crayon munching joe public who believe the tripe they publish, to bash the goverment because they didn't vote for Brexit. I’m not having a go at the NHS at all as I’m sure they did not know how huge this would be but the supply of PPE was down to them and if you google the NHS supply chain you will see back in early Feb they said they had stockpiles, then went on to say in March they were checking dates for products coming from China to make sure didn’t fall short and if it looked like they would then they would look to source from the UK or Europe well guess what this is a worldwide problem and everyone worldwide was wanting PPE so someone somewhere was going to fall short. At the end of the day there’s only one place to lay blame for this and that’s where it came from. That's quite the rant, the only problem is that you have no idea how NHS procurement works. How do I not? Do you know my personal background and like I say it’s there to see if you google the NHS supply chain, statements are there for all to see " Because if you did then you wouldn't have written what you did, unless of course you're a pathological liar. | |||
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"Can someone please explain why the UK government still think that herd immunity for the bulk of the population is the answer when countries that didn't have enough testing capabilities ie Spain and Italy had a total lock down, not a partial one like us. Countries that have adopted a partial lock down approach also had enough testing capacity to contain the outbreak. In the UK approximately 19 million people still go out to work every day (6 million workers furloughed and 3 million working from home out of an estimated workforce of 27 million) and we wonder why the death toll is so high. So furlough more workers ?" Errmmmm Furloughing is a voluntary process where a company decides if due to a collapse in their market from the virus that they need to put their staff on 80% wages. The governement can't force a company to furlough staff. It is a very generous scheme though. The company I work for bravely decided to largely carry on, a few furloughed and ask staff to work from home. We've benefited from other firms in our sector from furloughing and shutting down and picked up some of the work that are passing over. Hopefully after we can keep these new customers with excellent customer service and delivery on time etc etc. So it's not all doom and gloom. | |||
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"Behind every number be it in UK or abroad is a tragedy I see today's briefing show we have more deaths than Italy though also after the briefing BBC pundits show different caveats like population difference ect ect What puzzles me is why did the Italian health system which is one of the very best become overwhelmed and NHS did not Not judging its a genuine question The virus in Italy was largely confined to the northern provinces due to the lock down imposed in early March, a proper lock down not the restrictions we have here, which prevented the scale of infection suffered in the north being repeated across the rest of Italy. In reality it was only hospitals in Northern Italy that were overwhelmed, but the fact that Italy has a very old population and by the time the lock down was introduced the virus had already taken hold, meant a huge number of hospitalisations. " Thank you for the reply So Italy's main hotspot was in the north with a strict lockdown much like London is the UK hotspot. I would have expected their health system to have coped even if it meant using hospitals in the south to help out. I understand eventually they shipped some patients to other countries As far as I'm aware the NHS did not get close to capacity even in our hotspots I hope they solve whatever went wrong | |||
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"Can someone please explain why the UK government still think that herd immunity for the bulk of the population is the answer when countries that didn't have enough testing capabilities ie Spain and Italy had a total lock down, not a partial one like us. Countries that have adopted a partial lock down approach also had enough testing capacity to contain the outbreak. In the UK approximately 19 million people still go out to work every day (6 million workers furloughed and 3 million working from home out of an estimated workforce of 27 million) and we wonder why the death toll is so high. So furlough more workers ? Errmmmm Furloughing is a voluntary process where a company decides if due to a collapse in their market from the virus that they need to put their staff on 80% wages. The governement can't force a company to furlough staff. It is a very generous scheme though. The company I work for bravely decided to largely carry on, a few furloughed and ask staff to work from home. We've benefited from other firms in our sector from furloughing and shutting down and picked up some of the work that are passing over. Hopefully after we can keep these new customers with excellent customer service and delivery on time etc etc. So it's not all doom and gloom." I know I am on furlough I just wondered what did she think was the answer to the point she was making. | |||
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction "Very well said. | |||
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction "Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples. | |||
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"Behind every number be it in UK or abroad is a tragedy I see today's briefing show we have more deaths than Italy though also after the briefing BBC pundits show different caveats like population difference ect ect What puzzles me is why did the Italian health system which is one of the very best become overwhelmed and NHS did not Not judging its a genuine question The virus in Italy was largely confined to the northern provinces due to the lock down imposed in early March, a proper lock down not the restrictions we have here, which prevented the scale of infection suffered in the north being repeated across the rest of Italy. In reality it was only hospitals in Northern Italy that were overwhelmed, but the fact that Italy has a very old population and by the time the lock down was introduced the virus had already taken hold, meant a huge number of hospitalisations. Thank you for the reply So Italy's main hotspot was in the north with a strict lockdown much like London is the UK hotspot. I would have expected their health system to have coped even if it meant using hospitals in the south to help out. I understand eventually they shipped some patients to other countries As far as I'm aware the NHS did not get close to capacity even in our hotspots I hope they solve whatever went wrong " Italy's 'curve' was much steeper at the beginning than ours, the virus had already infected too much of the ageing population. Over 23% of Italy's population are over 65, that's 13.9 million, in the UK it's only 19% of the population 11.8 million. A mixture of bad luck and refusal to listen to doctors, added to the population being much older than ours and the cases being focused in one area meant Italy started from a very bad position. They learnt quickly and their response was just what was required but I would expect conversations about how it was allowed to get to that stage are happening in Italy too, and rightly so. | |||
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Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples."Followed the scientific advice, organised the nightingale hospitals, have given huge amounts of financial support to individuals and companies. | |||
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples."They have closed places where mass gatherings happen - good? I think so. They are paying 80% of furloughed staffs wages so they hopefully dont get made redundant - good? I think so. | |||
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples.
Followed the scientific advice, organised the nightingale hospitals, have given huge amounts of financial support to individuals and companies."If you had been taking notice, today you would have realised they did not take the scientific advice! | |||
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples.
Followed the scientific advice, organised the nightingale hospitals, have given huge amounts of financial support to individuals and companies."Can't use the Nightingales as an example I'm afraid, hospitals are only hospitals if they have staff, and the Nightingale in London was turning patients away because they didn't have the staff to care for them, not because they didn't have the beds. The Nightingales were a useful political distraction, that's all. | |||
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Abit like you.
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples.
Followed the scientific advice, organised the nightingale hospitals, have given huge amounts of financial support to individuals and companies.
Can't use the Nightingales as an example I'm afraid, hospitals are only hospitals if they have staff, and the Nightingale in London was turning patients away because they didn't have the staff to care for them, not because they didn't have the beds.
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples."The lockdown Paying wages Grants for businesses Loans for businesses Business rates holiday The nightingale hospitals All of the negotiation, logistics and politics that go into buying abroad Making an announcement everyday about what they are doing Having patience when being bombarded by the press with stupid repetitive questions All these things while also dealing with the stress of the current situation, worrying about their own families, working stupid hours, reading threats, bullshit and general nastiness about themselves online They have never dealt with anything like this before, it's a learning curve, maybe remember they are only human. | |||
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples.
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Not me
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples.
The lockdown
Paying wages
Grants for businesses
Loans for businesses
Business rates holiday
The nightingale hospitals
All of the negotiation, logistics and politics that go into buying abroad
Making an announcement everyday about what they are doing
Having patience when being bombarded by the press with stupid repetitive questions
All these things while also dealing with the stress of the current situation, worrying about their own families, working stupid hours, reading threats, bullshit and general nastiness about themselves online
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End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples.
The lockdown
Paying wages
Grants for businesses
Loans for businesses
Business rates holiday
The nightingale hospitals
All of the negotiation, logistics and politics that go into buying abroad
Making an announcement everyday about what they are doing
Having patience when being bombarded by the press with stupid repetitive questions
All these things while also dealing with the stress of the current situation, worrying about their own families, working stupid hours, reading threats, bullshit and general nastiness about themselves online
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And you turning up on it like clockwork
Abit like you.
Any opportunity to spread misery eh?
Not me
But if it's your thing go for girl
Funny, I'm always the one being positive.
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"I get tired of reading the same rubbish, think I will go to the fantasy page instead...oh but wait a minute
End of the day the government has made mistakes but not all the ones the media would have you believe, wouldn’t you think it would be better to pull the country together instead of trying to divide but that doesn’t make news. Look to the facts and not the fiction
Well I've asked a couple of time for people to say what they think the governement has got right but nobody seems to be able to give any examples.
Followed the scientific advice, organised the nightingale hospitals, have given huge amounts of financial support to individuals and companies.
Can't use the Nightingales as an example I'm afraid, hospitals are only hospitals if they have staff, and the Nightingale in London was turning patients away because they didn't have the staff to care for them, not because they didn't have the beds.
The Nightingales were a useful political distraction, that's all.
Complete bull, K is nhs and would have been deployed had staff been needed, they weren't she wasnt."She's an ICU nurse? | |||
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"so many people want to switch it into a political argument, what about labour ect ect..... so lets say what we can say... From a purely scientific standpoint this governments response has been slow!!... full stop!! end of story.... cheltenham should never have happened liverpool vs athletico madrid should never have happened... this government spend so much time looking at italy thinking "we are better than them, that would never happen here!" and now see where we are! they were blase... and only ended getting the kick up the backside when they all caught it, and it almost killed their prime minister! and in a weird way it almost killing bojo is the best way for them to now let the science lead the way!!! id rather them be overly cautious that being overly gun ho!..... " But the facts show we responded in the same time scale as other european countries. | |||
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"Behind every number be it in UK or abroad is a tragedy I see today's briefing show we have more deaths than Italy though also after the briefing BBC pundits show different caveats like population difference ect ect What puzzles me is why did the Italian health system which is one of the very best become overwhelmed and NHS did not Not judging its a genuine question The virus in Italy was largely confined to the northern provinces due to the lock down imposed in early March, a proper lock down not the restrictions we have here, which prevented the scale of infection suffered in the north being repeated across the rest of Italy. In reality it was only hospitals in Northern Italy that were overwhelmed, but the fact that Italy has a very old population and by the time the lock down was introduced the virus had already taken hold, meant a huge number of hospitalisations. Thank you for the reply So Italy's main hotspot was in the north with a strict lockdown much like London is the UK hotspot. I would have expected their health system to have coped even if it meant using hospitals in the south to help out. I understand eventually they shipped some patients to other countries As far as I'm aware the NHS did not get close to capacity even in our hotspots I hope they solve whatever went wrong Italy's 'curve' was much steeper at the beginning than ours, the virus had already infected too much of the ageing population. Over 23% of Italy's population are over 65, that's 13.9 million, in the UK it's only 19% of the population 11.8 million. A mixture of bad luck and refusal to listen to doctors, added to the population being much older than ours and the cases being focused in one area meant Italy started from a very bad position. They learnt quickly and their response was just what was required but I would expect conversations about how it was allowed to get to that stage are happening in Italy too, and rightly so." Thank you for the reply and info As said I hope they sort out what went wrong and the Italian government learn what they done wrong Not often the NHS fairs better than Italian health services. If they don't listen to their doctors either I suppose they was always going to struggle regardless | |||
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"This thread will sure tell those politicians what's what. They are definitely reading the same boring posts from the same people day in day out and cursing themselves that they didn't do what those coronavirus experts on fab have been saying.
And you turning up on it like clockwork
Abit like you.
Any opportunity to spread misery eh?
Not me
But if it's your thing go for girl
Funny, I'm always the one being positive.
Blinkered I would call it "I could say the same about you. | |||
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"Not often the NHS fairs better than Italian health services. If they don't listen to their doctors either I suppose they was always going to struggle regardless" Well it's a government full of right wing populists just like ours so I suppose making the same mistake as ours was bound to happen. | |||
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"This thread will sure tell those politicians what's what. They are definitely reading the same boring posts from the same people day in day out and cursing themselves that they didn't do what those coronavirus experts on fab have been saying.
And you turning up on it like clockwork
Abit like you.
Any opportunity to spread misery eh?
Not me
But if it's your thing go for girl
Funny, I'm always the one being positive.
Blinkered I would call it
I could say the same about you. "Ok how about getting back to the OP rather than attacking each other | |||
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" The figures would be very different! Diane Abbot was famous for her maths!
"Fucking hell, still on about that radio interview? Shadow home secretary gets a number wrong when put on the spot in an interview. Meanwhile the actual home secretary is asked to read a number off an autocue and can't do it. And you think Patel is better? The death penalty voting, treason committing, tobacco lobbying, bullying, incapable of number reading, shoplifting reducing Patel? That one? Do you have the same voting rights as the rest of us? Sadly yes, you do. | |||
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"Let's face it, at the time the Government should have been acting on the news that Covid was spreading to the UK, all it was bothered about was winning the Election. Campaign blinkers were on. Nothing else mattered and sacrifices were made! The GE was the 12th of Dec " From the Guardian: As the warnings grew louder, Boris Johnson’s government was distracted by Brexit. On testing, contact tracing and equipment supply, there was a failure to prepare | |||
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"Not often the NHS fairs better than Italian health services. If they don't listen to their doctors either I suppose they was always going to struggle regardless Well it's a government full of right wing populists just like ours so I suppose making the same mistake as ours was bound to happen. " Well that makes a change a foreign government being criticised instead of just the UK So are we saying all countries with a right wing government are no good and have messed up their response? | |||
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"Let's face it, at the time the Government should have been acting on the news that Covid was spreading to the UK, all it was bothered about was winning the Election. Campaign blinkers were on. Nothing else mattered and sacrifices were made! The GE was the 12th of Dec From the Guardian: As the warnings grew louder, Boris Johnson’s government was distracted by Brexit. On testing, contact tracing and equipment supply, there was a failure to prepare" You said they were blinkered about winning the election, no one knew anything about covid at that time except the chinese and they were hiding the truth. | |||
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