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By *uby In Stockings OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle

Doesn't the equality act 2010 mean that swinging clubs legally should charge people the same amount for entry, regardless of their gender??? Aren't they breaking the law by not doing so???

Advice from experts required please???

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By *lam rockerMan
over a year ago

Tain


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Advice from experts required please???"
on this forum??

What do you normally get charged?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you want them to?

Single women wouldnt pay the same as men and most couples wouldnt pay double what single guys pay

there for the clubs would just be full of single men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive always wandered this, there must be another way to limit numbers

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

I think if they are private clubs they can charge what they like. Not 100% sure though. Sorry Ruby x

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By *uby In Stockings OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle

ahhhh, that might be the answer, thanks hunny bun, x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes ithink they are too, but men pay prostitutes for sex, women dont usualy pay men for sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ive always wandered this, there must be another way to limit numbers"
yes there is limit the no of single guy's / girls who can join easy. but no no thats mean the club misses out on making even more money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clubs are classed as private members clubs..

Private members’ clubs

When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees.

The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only.

Example

A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful.

A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee.

When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if a public bar was charging females less than guys for entrance, they would be breaking the sex discrimination act, because they are not private members clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pubs and nightclubs

Pubs and nightclubs are service providers and must avoid discrimination on the grounds of gender. As with other service providers, this means they cannot discriminate by:

refusing to provide you with a service

providing you with a lower standard of service

providing you with a service on worse terms

Example

A pub gives free drinks to women, but men have to pay. This is likely to be unlawful direct sex discrimination against men.

Example

A nightclub offers free admission to anyone wearing a skirt. This is likely to be unlawful indirect discrimination against men, since they will be less likely to fulfil this criterion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would you want them to?

Single women wouldnt pay the same as men and most couples wouldnt pay double what single guys pay

there for the clubs would just be full of single men

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That's a good point and you would find clubs closing pretty quickly.

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By *uby In Stockings OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle

I don't agree with the argument that men should pay more because they are the ones who usually pay for sex, supposedly equal rights means exactly that, being transgendered puts me in a difficult place for some of these people because they simply don't know how much to charge me, surely it's time for equality, even in the swinging world????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clubs are classed as private members clubs..

Private members’ clubs

When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees.

The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only.

Example

A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful.

A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee.

When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender."

the law changed last year, even golf clubs can not discriminate on sex. Ours had to re-write all it's own rules last year to prevent being caught out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clubs are classed as private members clubs..

Private members’ clubs

When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees.

The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only.

Example

A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful.

A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee.

When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender.

the law changed last year, even golf clubs can not discriminate on sex. Ours had to re-write all it's own rules last year to prevent being caught out."

Is it a strict members only gold club? or is it open to any one, who can sign up as a member? If it was a genuinely private male only with membership accepted by interview or criteria it would have been ok, if it allowed any and all males to join, then it wouldn't have been.

A lot of gold clubs are male only, but allow walk ups to join.. they would be breaking the equality laws.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*GOLF not gold..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with the argument that men should pay more because they are the ones who usually pay for sex, supposedly equal rights means exactly that, being transgendered puts me in a difficult place for some of these people because they simply don't know how much to charge me, surely it's time for equality, even in the swinging world????"

Sorry, i thought you were a fit looking woman. Yes i think you are right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clubs are classed as private members clubs..

Private members’ clubs

When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees.

The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only.

Example

A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful.

A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee.

When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender.

the law changed last year, even golf clubs can not discriminate on sex. Ours had to re-write all it's own rules last year to prevent being caught out.

Is it a strict members only gold club? or is it open to any one, who can sign up as a member? If it was a genuinely private male only with membership accepted by interview or criteria it would have been ok, if it allowed any and all males to join, then it wouldn't have been.

A lot of gold clubs are male only, but allow walk ups to join.. they would be breaking the equality laws."

I believe your wrong Missblonde. The law has changed. It is now illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clubs are classed as private members clubs..

Private members’ clubs

When services are provided to you by a private members’ club of which you are a member, the club is not bound by the Sex Discrimination Act as a service provider and can lawfully discriminate on grounds of gender. However, private clubs must still obey the Sex Discrimination Act in the way they treat their employees.

The rules and practices of private members' clubs have over the years resulted in many complaints of discrimination. The main issue has been the different classes of membership that are open to one sex only.

Example

A golf club restricts 'full membership' to men. Only full members have the right to set the rules of the club and have full access to the club. 'Associate membership' is restricted to women and has reduced rights and limited access to the club. As long as the club is genuinely private, this would be lawful.

A private members’ club is one that genuinely selects its members on personal grounds, rather than, for example, accepting as a member anyone who pays the membership fee.

When a club offers services to the public – for example, hiring out rooms for functions – it does have to obey the Sex Discrimination Act, and must provide this service without discriminating unfairly on the grounds of gender.

the law changed last year, even golf clubs can not discriminate on sex. Ours had to re-write all it's own rules last year to prevent being caught out.

Is it a strict members only gold club? or is it open to any one, who can sign up as a member? If it was a genuinely private male only with membership accepted by interview or criteria it would have been ok, if it allowed any and all males to join, then it wouldn't have been.

A lot of gold clubs are male only, but allow walk ups to join.. they would be breaking the equality laws.

I believe your wrong Missblonde. The law has changed. It is now illegal. "

Please provide the additional reference for the adjustment.

Cant find the change on the EHRC website.

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By *uby In Stockings OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle


"

Sorry, i thought you were a fit looking woman. Yes i think you are right."

Bless you hunny bun, unfortunately I'm just a lonely t-girl lost in minefield of political correctness or not??? hugz n stuff, xxx

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

3 nightclubs in this area still let women in for free on a Friday night.

The "private" pole dancing club still has a strict men only policy. But you don't have to be a member to walk in, just male.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I don't agree with the argument that men should pay more because they are the ones who usually pay for sex, supposedly equal rights means exactly that, being transgendered puts me in a difficult place for some of these people because they simply don't know how much to charge me, surely it's time for equality, even in the swinging world????"

I think that says more about the attitude of the clubs towards TS/TG/TV, especially when most clubs have TV nights. Probably best to take this up with each club as I think it's unfair for transgendered to be classed as male at a swinger club when they are classed as female everywhere else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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When services are provided to you by a private

the law changed last year, even golf clubs can not discriminate on sex. Ours had to re-write all it's own rules last year to prevent being caught out.

Is it a strict members only gold club? or is it open to any one, who can sign up as a member? If it was a genuinely private male only with membership accepted by interview or criteria it would have been ok, if it allowed any and all males to join, then it wouldn't have been.

A lot of gold clubs are male only, but allow walk ups to join.. they would be breaking the equality laws.

I believe your wrong Missblonde. The law has changed. It is now illegal.

Please provide the additional reference for the adjustment.

Cant find the change on the EHRC website."

Read the 2010 Equality Act, it's pretty clear in relation to private clubs. Google it.

This subject has been done on here a number of times before and it does create interesting debate. In my opinion a single guy will one day challenge a swinging club through the courts. When that happens I think the likelihood is that the clubs will be forced to change their business model.

Some believe that could mean the end of swinging clubs, I'm not so sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

When services are provided to you by a private

the law changed last year, even golf clubs can not discriminate on sex. Ours had to re-write all it's own rules last year to prevent being caught out.

Is it a strict members only gold club? or is it open to any one, who can sign up as a member? If it was a genuinely private male only with membership accepted by interview or criteria it would have been ok, if it allowed any and all males to join, then it wouldn't have been.

A lot of gold clubs are male only, but allow walk ups to join.. they would be breaking the equality laws.

I believe your wrong Missblonde. The law has changed. It is now illegal.

Please provide the additional reference for the adjustment.

Cant find the change on the EHRC website.

Read the 2010 Equality Act, it's pretty clear in relation to private clubs. Google it.

This subject has been done on here a number of times before and it does create interesting debate. In my opinion a single guy will one day challenge a swinging club through the courts. When that happens I think the likelihood is that the clubs will be forced to change their business model.

Some believe that could mean the end of swinging clubs, I'm not so sure. "

You said it's been amended, or updated.

the act 2010 - is as stated above

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By *ath-N-DelCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow area

It is legal for them to do this!

The equality acts mean they can't discriminate against sex/sexual orientation...

They can't deny entry to anyone based on sex/sexual orientation...

The fees put in place by each individual club is to ensure they have an equal amount of single women/men and couples.

HOWEVER....Private clubs can claim exemptions to this law if they are having for example...A TV/TS or Lesbian or gay or couples etc etc ONLY night...

If they deny you the right to entry on a "fun for all" night because you are a TV...Thats unlawful....and that is were the equality act comes in!

Im crap at trying to explain things in word...Hope you get what im trying to say lol

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"

I think that says more about the attitude of the clubs towards TS/TG/TV, especially when most clubs have TV nights. Probably best to take this up with each club as I think it's unfair for transgendered to be classed as male at a swinger club when they are classed as female everywhere else."

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By *uby In Stockings OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle


"

Im crap at trying to explain things in word...Hope you get what im trying to say lol

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Yes I got you, thank you for taking the time to post a reply, take care, xxx

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By *uby In Stockings OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle


"

I think that says more about the attitude of the clubs towards TS/TG/TV, especially when most clubs have TV nights. Probably best to take this up with each club as I think it's unfair for transgendered to be classed as male at a swinger club when they are classed as female everywhere else."

Will you be my lawyer darling???, mwah, xxx

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"

I think that says more about the attitude of the clubs towards TS/TG/TV, especially when most clubs have TV nights. Probably best to take this up with each club as I think it's unfair for transgendered to be classed as male at a swinger club when they are classed as female everywhere else.

Will you be my lawyer darling???, mwah, xxx "

Hehe, just picturing a club party dressed in wig and gown.

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By *uby In Stockings OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle


"

I think that says more about the attitude of the clubs towards TS/TG/TV, especially when most clubs have TV nights. Probably best to take this up with each club as I think it's unfair for transgendered to be classed as male at a swinger club when they are classed as female everywhere else.

Will you be my lawyer darling???, mwah, xxx

Hehe, just picturing a club party dressed in wig and gown. "

So it seems like we've found the next theme for a night out, completely by accident, hugz to you sweetie, xxx

all rise m'lady!!!!!!!!!!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"all rise m'lady!!!!!!!!!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

even as a single guy i think it would be a bad thing to have just one price (and i do think that transgenders should be charged as the gender they say they are)

if there was no restriction on single guys most parties/clubs would become large groups of guys wondering around them looking for sex.....i think it would be better for a first come first served basis capping the amount of guys allowed at a party

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

It's called positve discrimination.

Club membership lists are full of single men firstly, couples secondly and single women thirdly.

Therefore, it is legal to positively discriminate and have lower prices for single women as they are in the minority and to have lower prices for couples as they are a lower percentage of them also.

It is legal and this is why clubs do it.

The same as any company who can ask for females only in their job advertisements if they have a huge majority of males working for them.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"I don't agree with the argument that men should pay more because they are the ones who usually pay for sex, supposedly equal rights means exactly that, being transgendered puts me in a difficult place for some of these people because they simply don't know how much to charge me, surely it's time for equality, even in the swinging world????"

Rather than sexual equality laws a club which questioned your gender identity is breaking the 2008 Sexual Orientation Regulations Act, which specifically includes and services (remember the B&B case)

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