Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Back to forum list |
Back to Swingers Chat |
Jump to newest |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? " Pretty much the same. You won't find many jobs that can accept face tatoos and aren't minimum wage. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. " This came as a surprise to him? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We advised both our kids to avoid tattoos that you can't cover up. People don't want doctors, teachers, lawyers to have teardrops tattooed on their face and love and hate on their knuckles. " I'd never get a tattoo on my neck, face or hands. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We advised both our kids to avoid tattoos that you can't cover up. People don't want doctors, teachers, lawyers to have teardrops tattooed on their face and love and hate on their knuckles. I'd never get a tattoo on my neck, face or hands." I'd never get a tattoo now. I considered it for a while but when I discovered you can't go swimming for at least four weeks afterwards I went off the idea. I like the look of a lot of tattoos but some are ill advised to say the least. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? " It depends on the job. Some have a strict tattoos must be covered policy others are more tolerant and accept that tattoos don't effect the way a person does their job. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? " Erm... I don’t think I said it did. And I doubt it did. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? When did it say it did? " I'm asking a question... | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? It depends on the job. Some have a strict tattoos must be covered policy others are more tolerant and accept that tattoos don't effect the way a person does their job. " Yup. I don’t have any tattoos myself and won’t ever get any but I know plenty who have them and hold down a good job. Don’t think I’ve ever come across a doctor/nurse/lawyer with a face/neck tattoo though. I do agree also having tattoos don’t affect the way a person does their job. Also with ink becoming increasingly popular these days I’d like to see what will happen with jobs that have strict rules on tattoos. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? When did it say it did? I'm asking a question... " Well since I’m not him, I can’t answer. If I find the guy on Instagram I’ll be sure to pass on his username to you so you can ask him personally. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? When did it say it did? I'm asking a question... Well since I’m not him, I can’t answer. If I find the guy on Instagram I’ll be sure to pass on his username to you so you can ask him personally. " I would have assumed he was self employed when he had it done and not banking on passing interviews in future. The fact that he become self employed makes a lot of sense to me. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? When did it say it did? I'm asking a question... Well since I’m not him, I can’t answer. If I find the guy on Instagram I’ll be sure to pass on his username to you so you can ask him personally. I would have assumed he was self employed when he had it done and not banking on passing interviews in future. The fact that he become self employed makes a lot of sense to me. " You’ll have to find him on Instagram to see if your assumptions were correct. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies..... But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it... If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool" Should we just let people starve then? What is the solution? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies..... But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it... If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool Should we just let people starve then? What is the solution? " The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working.... But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? " Well its going to go the same way eventually I imagine, only a fool does it so who would employ a fool? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies..... But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it... If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool Should we just let people starve then? What is the solution? The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working.... But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick " Why should they have to cover up??? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies..... But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it... If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool Should we just let people starve then? What is the solution? The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working.... But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick Why should they have to cover up???" So they can get a job I'm guessing. When I worked in a call centre I had to cover up a tattoo on my ankle as their dress code was no visible tattoos even though we weren't customer facing. Where I work now the rules are less strict, even though its a much more responsible role. I wouldn't get tattoos on my nrct or face. Whilst tattoos have become more mainstream there is still stigma related to certain tattoos and certain areas of the body that get tattooed. I don't know how we break that down. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We send them to America " And call them yankers | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Surely when someone gets a face or neck tattoo they know the consequences of this in the job market?" Right!! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? " Love them and would employ them as long as they looked and smelled clean and everything else was good including attitude. In fact have done. But that's only in a certain type of job. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!" Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea! Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. " Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea! Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?" Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there. I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea! Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market? Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there. I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. " This is great to hear... you made life choices and are being a productive citizen.... | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea! Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market? Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there. I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. " Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea! Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market? Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there. I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ?" Did about 10 in psychology as i have a lot of knowledge about that anyway and just wanted qualifications, then via those courses i learned a little about biology and cells, DNA and found that way more interesting so moved into that field instead and that is where i want to work. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? " It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you." | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you." People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you. People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations. " Good point. A lot of them use dubious methods and don't want whistle blowers working for them. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you. People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations. Good point. A lot of them use dubious methods and don't want whistle blowers working for them. " There's certainly a type of personality that can cope with the inevitable structure of a large organisation. A lot of what schools do is really there to start the moulding process and has nothing or little to do with education. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? " I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm. and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm. and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed " I’m a little confused..... you are working.... my post is about people that can’t find employment but are looking for benefits | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. This came as a surprise to him? It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you. People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations. Good point. A lot of them use dubious methods and don't want whistle blowers working for them. There's certainly a type of personality that can cope with the inevitable structure of a large organisation. A lot of what schools do is really there to start the moulding process and has nothing or little to do with education. " Probably. I started skipping the last two years of school when they started reteaching us what we'd already learned in previous years...can't believe they had run out of education. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea! Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market? Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there. I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ? Did about 10 in psychology as i have a lot of knowledge about that anyway and just wanted qualifications, then via those courses i learned a little about biology and cells, DNA and found that way more interesting so moved into that field instead and that is where i want to work. " Sounds good | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We advised both our kids to avoid tattoos that you can't cover up. People don't want doctors, teachers, lawyers to have teardrops tattooed on their face and love and hate on their knuckles. I'd never get a tattoo on my neck, face or hands." | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low. And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea! Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself. The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general. Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market? Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there. I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ? Did about 10 in psychology as i have a lot of knowledge about that anyway and just wanted qualifications, then via those courses i learned a little about biology and cells, DNA and found that way more interesting so moved into that field instead and that is where i want to work. Sounds good " It's certainly interesting and looking for discrepancies in the code is fun. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They are either stupid or genius. You are always judged based on appearance. Wear winter jacket in summer and ask why is everyone looking at me because when you do, say, wear things that don't regular fit the occasion you stand out like a sore thumb. " As Oscar wilde said, only superficial people don't judge by appearances | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"When I interview someone, I'm looking for skills, ability and determination to learn and personality. Whether they have visible tattoos is of no importance. " And when I interview someone , I’m looking for someone who will resonate well with my customers , who will work well with the rest of the team , who isn’t full of themselves , who will happily stick to the tasks required and above all someone who doesn’t need to go out of their way to make an impression with garish make up and tattoos all over their faces . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"When I interview someone, I'm looking for skills, ability and determination to learn and personality. Whether they have visible tattoos is of no importance. And when I interview someone , I’m looking for someone who will resonate well with my customers , who will work well with the rest of the team , who isn’t full of themselves , who will happily stick to the tasks required and above all someone who doesn’t need to go out of their way to make an impression with garish make up and tattoos all over their faces . So you wouldn't employ your own wife then? " | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm. and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed I’m a little confused..... you are working.... my post is about people that can’t find employment but are looking for benefits " Im Entitled to answer so i did | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck.... These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill.... How is this being handled in the UK? I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm. and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed I’m a little confused..... you are working.... my post is about people that can’t find employment but are looking for benefits Im Entitled to answer so i did" Ohh okay, you just wanted to join the thread.... My confused stemmed from not understanding your point.... | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"When I interview someone, I'm looking for skills, ability and determination to learn and personality. Whether they have visible tattoos is of no importance. And when I interview someone , I’m looking for someone who will resonate well with my customers , who will work well with the rest of the team , who isn’t full of themselves , who will happily stick to the tasks required and above all someone who doesn’t need to go out of their way to make an impression with garish make up and tattoos all over their faces . One of my best installation engineers has tattoos on his hands, neck and face. He is one of my first choice engineers as his customer service skills are second to none. This guy works all over Europe, and while I admit that on first meeting clients can be a little taken back, he quickly wins them over with his abilities, openness, language skills and personality " | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I love neck tattoos It seems more acceptable in the UK for tattoos in the workplace " Here in the states also... but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with a neck tattoo or face tattoo at the bank... Also to clarify..... I’m not speaking about neck tattoos on the back of the neck... those can be covered by long hair. I’m talking about the neck tattoos on the throat or side of the neck.. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I love neck tattoos It seems more acceptable in the UK for tattoos in the workplace Here in the states also... but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with a neck tattoo or face tattoo at the bank... Also to clarify..... I’m not speaking about neck tattoos on the back of the neck... those can be covered by long hair. I’m talking about the neck tattoos on the throat or side of the neck.." TBH I was already thinking you meant on the front of the neck It seems so antiquated prejudices towards body art Last time I checked inked skin doesnt change anyone’s ability | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I love neck tattoos It seems more acceptable in the UK for tattoos in the workplace Here in the states also... but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with a neck tattoo or face tattoo at the bank... Also to clarify..... I’m not speaking about neck tattoos on the back of the neck... those can be covered by long hair. I’m talking about the neck tattoos on the throat or side of the neck.. TBH I was already thinking you meant on the front of the neck It seems so antiquated prejudices towards body art Last time I checked inked skin doesnt change anyone’s ability " Yes I agree.... my ex had stretched earlobes.. not huge maybe 8-10 centimeters... also a nose piercing.... they asked her to remove them before they hired her as a teacher | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’m covered in tattoos and wanting more, only place I won’t get done is my face or neck I know plenty of people who have their faces/necks etc tattooed and hold down pretty steady jobs " Holding down a job is ok, but should somethibg happen to render them on the dole. That is where the problem lies. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place." The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies..... But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it... If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool Should we just let people starve then? What is the solution? The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working.... But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick Why should they have to cover up???" If you need a job, you are told you need to cover up to get it. What do you do? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes." But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company" Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. " My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me." So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Footballers have loads and there among the richest in the country " Because sports are about as close to a pure meritocracy as you will find. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. " Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. " That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without." I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. " But you are missing the point. If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable! | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. " Oh come on ! The tattoo is something the person chose to have . The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. But you are missing the point. If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable!" I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. But you are missing the point. If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable! I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that. " Why should we? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. Oh come on ! The tattoo is something the person chose to have . The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality ." Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. But you are missing the point. If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable! I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that. Why should we?" Because a meritocracy is an inherently superior system. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. Oh come on ! The tattoo is something the person chose to have . The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality . Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive. " That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. But you are missing the point. If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable! I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that. Why should we? Because a meritocracy is an inherently superior system. " Good luck explaining that to an employer | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. Oh come on ! The tattoo is something the person chose to have . The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality . Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive. That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years ." You never met a person and accurately predicted they were homosexual before they confirmed it? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple ." Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. But you are missing the point. If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable! I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that. Why should we? Because a meritocracy is an inherently superior system. Good luck explaining that to an employer " Anyone who understands GCSE business and economics, wouldn't need me to. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. Oh come on ! The tattoo is something the person chose to have . The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality . Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive. That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years . You never met a person and accurately predicted they were homosexual before they confirmed it? " Even when I started as an ‘employer’ over thirty years ago , I never gave it a second thought . I’ve employed gay guys , lesbians , young , old , tattooed and not tattooed , pretty much every type of person you could name . If I felt any type may offend my clientele I wouldn’t employ them , unless my clientele were offended by someone being homosexual , then I would hope they would understand that their thinking is at fault , but if they don’t like tattooed faces , I can empathise with that . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. " You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks. Employers being stupid in my eyes. But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't. Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal???? Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me. So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. Why should they? Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without. I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. Oh come on ! The tattoo is something the person chose to have . The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality . Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive. That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years . You never met a person and accurately predicted they were homosexual before they confirmed it? Even when I started as an ‘employer’ over thirty years ago , I never gave it a second thought . I’ve employed gay guys , lesbians , young , old , tattooed and not tattooed , pretty much every type of person you could name . If I felt any type may offend my clientele I wouldn’t employ them , unless my clientele were offended by someone being homosexual , then I would hope they would understand that their thinking is at fault , but if they don’t like tattooed faces , I can empathise with that ." Today I can, I do think that there's a hypocrisy in the prejudices we do and don't accept. I think that in future we should be more open minded. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. " I’m not saying they make anyone rubbishy at their job . I’m saying there is a certain social stigma attached to tattoos on people’s faces . Anyone who has a tattoo on their face is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ to those who are offended by them . So when those same people are in a position to choose whether to employ the person who is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ , and they choose not to , they shouldn’t be surprised really . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. " Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. I’m not saying they make anyone rubbishy at their job . I’m saying there is a certain social stigma attached to tattoos on people’s faces . Anyone who has a tattoo on their face is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ to those who are offended by them . So when those same people are in a position to choose whether to employ the person who is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ , and they choose not to , they shouldn’t be surprised really ." Part 1 of the cold hard truth is that talent is so unevenly distributed amongst the population that some people have awkward personalities worth accomdating. Part 2 of the cold hard truth is that not many of those people choose to tatoo their faces. But my views are shaped by working in software, which has the largest variance in productivity between workers outside of professional sports. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . " Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?" Would you get a face tattoo? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? Would you get a face tattoo?" Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? Would you get a face tattoo? Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk. " Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice? | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance. And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job. He ended up opening his own tattoo shop and it’s really successful, can’t remember the guys Instagram name Kian or Kiaran something and he had like half a million followers. Worked out for him in the end! " Yep, worked out well for him in the end expanding the number of people with the same problem! Bet they didn't all get to open tattoo shops. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? Would you get a face tattoo? Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk. Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice?" I have other places I would rather have done and I know face tattoos hurt more than any other place. No other reason to tell you the truth. I don’t really enjoy pain. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Face tattoos are stupid" Well said, got it in one, despite what all the "my personal right to self-expression" apologists spout out. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? " Yes I do . I have both upper arms heavily tattooed from the elbow up to the shoulder . Took over six hours to do each . But they are only visible if I wear nothing or a vest as they are for my benefit and no one else’s . If I wanted to shove two fingers up at society would have had my face done , but that’s not what I want . I’m fully aware that face tattoos no longer represent the fact that the owner has served time , but that’s not the point here . The question is whether those who have face tattoos should get benefits when they find themselves unemployable as they are self inflicted reasons to become so . I would say the answer to this is that those who can’t get the job they want , should work somewhere that is happy to employ them and make the sacrifice as they created the issue . Society isn’t ready for it yet , and yes my generation is dying out , and your generation is making the rules now . But while we oldies still employ the next generation , we will still have our rules , so the next generation may have to wait a while before expecting us to employ them when we feel they won’t be representing us and our businesses in the way we want them to . | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? Would you get a face tattoo? Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk. Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice? I have other places I would rather have done and I know face tattoos hurt more than any other place. No other reason to tell you the truth. I don’t really enjoy pain. " I thought the pain would be similar to other bony areas, like ribcage, elbow or sternum. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? Yes I do . I have both upper arms heavily tattooed from the elbow up to the shoulder . Took over six hours to do each . But they are only visible if I wear nothing or a vest as they are for my benefit and no one else’s . If I wanted to shove two fingers up at society would have had my face done , but that’s not what I want . I’m fully aware that face tattoos no longer represent the fact that the owner has served time , but that’s not the point here . The question is whether those who have face tattoos should get benefits when they find themselves unemployable as they are self inflicted reasons to become so . I would say the answer to this is that those who can’t get the job they want , should work somewhere that is happy to employ them and make the sacrifice as they created the issue . Society isn’t ready for it yet , and yes my generation is dying out , and your generation is making the rules now . But while we oldies still employ the next generation , we will still have our rules , so the next generation may have to wait a while before expecting us to employ them when we feel they won’t be representing us and our businesses in the way we want them to ." I agree fully if you loose your job cos you broke company rules for whatever reason it’s your own fault. Face tattoos, drugs whatever. We all sign a contract of employment we all know the consequences. My point is that a tattoo does not affect your ability to carry out a job. I don’t understand what the stigma with tattoos is still. We have been tattooing each other for centuries now some good and some very bad reasons why we have tattoos. It’s becoming the norm to see art work on people now I honestly don’t understand the stigma around it still. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? Would you get a face tattoo? Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk. Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice? I have other places I would rather have done and I know face tattoos hurt more than any other place. No other reason to tell you the truth. I don’t really enjoy pain. I thought the pain would be similar to other bony areas, like ribcage, elbow or sternum. " Yes probably and I didn’t realise the pain on them till it was too late not something I particularly want to do again. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place. The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable." Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place. The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable. Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault." Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ... If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself? I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer... | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place. The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable. Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault. Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ... If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself? I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer..." ? Guessing you've no idea about the welfare system... All people claiming unemployment benefits here have to be looking for work, they can't just pick and choose a job. They have to apply for everything in their area (my ex applied to be a nail technician despite having no experience or qualifications, waste of his time and bus fare but he was told he had to do it). Anyway, if someone has tattoos and isn't gaining employment because of them then there needs to be rules in place to stop that discrimination. You can't turn around and blame them for not getting work when they show they are willing. It's not illegal to be tattooed, it's not illegal to have facial tattoos either. So has the person with the facial tattoos done anything illegal? No. So why would anyone not be willing to employ them, unless prejudiced against tattooed people of course. So, can you really deny someone the basic right to a job? A lot of people in here are certainly justifying that with their saying tattooed people are not employable. Thing is facial tattoos are not illegal, denying someone the basic right to paid work based on prejudices is though for many people who experienced that discrimination already. So, it's why some people do have those additional rights; women have rights, the disabled have rights, it's why ethnic minorities have rights. Same will have to happen for tattooed people at some point rather than them being penalised for doing nothing illegal and seeking work but being prejudiced against when they apply. You can't deny people basic rights because they made non-illegal choices, well you can't even deny them to criminals either but that's a moot point. Society tends to go against it's prejudices eventually, forced by the legal system to do that, because it doesn't make any sense to hold prejudices usually. The same will happen with tattoos. Also,the DWP does pay for people to have tattoos removed if it is felt those tattoos are a hindrance to the person gaining employment. So they don't even see fit to tell them they aren't entitled to benefits but they do also subscribe to the belief that tattooed people are not employable and recognises that the prejudice is there. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They are either stupid or genius. You are always judged based on appearance. Wear winter jacket in summer and ask why is everyone looking at me because when you do, say, wear things that don't regular fit the occasion you stand out like a sore thumb. As Oscar wilde said, only superficial people don't judge by appearances " Also said... “I’m so clever sometimes I don’t understand a single word I’m saying” - Oscar Wilde | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place. The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable. Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault. Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ... If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself? I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer... ? Guessing you've no idea about the welfare system... All people claiming unemployment benefits here have to be looking for work, they can't just pick and choose a job. They have to apply for everything in their area (my ex applied to be a nail technician despite having no experience or qualifications, waste of his time and bus fare but he was told he had to do it). Anyway, if someone has tattoos and isn't gaining employment because of them then there needs to be rules in place to stop that discrimination. You can't turn around and blame them for not getting work when they show they are willing. It's not illegal to be tattooed, it's not illegal to have facial tattoos either. So has the person with the facial tattoos done anything illegal? No. So why would anyone not be willing to employ them, unless prejudiced against tattooed people of course. So, can you really deny someone the basic right to a job? A lot of people in here are certainly justifying that with their saying tattooed people are not employable. Thing is facial tattoos are not illegal, denying someone the basic right to paid work based on prejudices is though for many people who experienced that discrimination already. So, it's why some people do have those additional rights; women have rights, the disabled have rights, it's why ethnic minorities have rights. Same will have to happen for tattooed people at some point rather than them being penalised for doing nothing illegal and seeking work but being prejudiced against when they apply. You can't deny people basic rights because they made non-illegal choices, well you can't even deny them to criminals either but that's a moot point. Society tends to go against it's prejudices eventually, forced by the legal system to do that, because it doesn't make any sense to hold prejudices usually. The same will happen with tattoos. Also,the DWP does pay for people to have tattoos removed if it is felt those tattoos are a hindrance to the person gaining employment. So they don't even see fit to tell them they aren't entitled to benefits but they do also subscribe to the belief that tattooed people are not employable and recognises that the prejudice is there." You’re a very good poster... thank you for educating me on the situation in the UK I believe we will implement a free tattoo removal system to help our citizens gain employment... Currently free tattoo removal is only offered to ex gang members and women who were sex workers... | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place. The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable. Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault. Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ... If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself? I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer... ? Guessing you've no idea about the welfare system... All people claiming unemployment benefits here have to be looking for work, they can't just pick and choose a job. They have to apply for everything in their area (my ex applied to be a nail technician despite having no experience or qualifications, waste of his time and bus fare but he was told he had to do it). Anyway, if someone has tattoos and isn't gaining employment because of them then there needs to be rules in place to stop that discrimination. You can't turn around and blame them for not getting work when they show they are willing. It's not illegal to be tattooed, it's not illegal to have facial tattoos either. So has the person with the facial tattoos done anything illegal? No. So why would anyone not be willing to employ them, unless prejudiced against tattooed people of course. So, can you really deny someone the basic right to a job? A lot of people in here are certainly justifying that with their saying tattooed people are not employable. Thing is facial tattoos are not illegal, denying someone the basic right to paid work based on prejudices is though for many people who experienced that discrimination already. So, it's why some people do have those additional rights; women have rights, the disabled have rights, it's why ethnic minorities have rights. Same will have to happen for tattooed people at some point rather than them being penalised for doing nothing illegal and seeking work but being prejudiced against when they apply. You can't deny people basic rights because they made non-illegal choices, well you can't even deny them to criminals either but that's a moot point. Society tends to go against it's prejudices eventually, forced by the legal system to do that, because it doesn't make any sense to hold prejudices usually. The same will happen with tattoos. Also,the DWP does pay for people to have tattoos removed if it is felt those tattoos are a hindrance to the person gaining employment. So they don't even see fit to tell them they aren't entitled to benefits but they do also subscribe to the belief that tattooed people are not employable and recognises that the prejudice is there." Do you think the same should apply to the military? Currently face and neck tattoos are a bar to entry and I think it should stay that way. Plenty of squaddies are covered in tattoos everywhere else but getting one on your face will have you kicked out or not allowed in. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"You’re a very good poster... thank you for educating me on the situation in the UK I believe we will implement a free tattoo removal system to help our citizens gain employment... Currently free tattoo removal is only offered to ex gang members and women who were sex workers..." Maybe. I think a lot of people don't get tattoos with the intent of getting them removed but for those who want that it would be helpful. I totally get why gang members or sex workers would want those removed though and pleased the help is there for them. Ideally not being prejudiced against tattooed people would be better imo. But here there still are people willing to beat up, and even kill, those who are already protected by the extra rights they were given because they are prejudiced against so i do get how society can take a long time to catch up with being non-biased, non-prejudice, and non-hateful. "Do you think the same should apply to the military? Currently face and neck tattoos are a bar to entry and I think it should stay that way. Plenty of squaddies are covered in tattoos everywhere else but getting one on your face will have you kicked out or not allowed in." I don't think anyone should have to remove any form of decoration unless it's a health and safety hazard. People are vain, people like to have their own look. You're expected to become uniform from school age though and not have anything too extreme to keep the classroom a quiet environment (ie. so that people who are bullies don't have anything to feed off). The problem with that kind of thinking is that you are taught to do nothing about bullies and instead to change yourself, to change who you fundamentally are or not be who you want to be, so that you are not picked on. I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway... | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"You’re a very good poster... thank you for educating me on the situation in the UK I believe we will implement a free tattoo removal system to help our citizens gain employment... Currently free tattoo removal is only offered to ex gang members and women who were sex workers... Maybe. I think a lot of people don't get tattoos with the intent of getting them removed but for those who want that it would be helpful. I totally get why gang members or sex workers would want those removed though and pleased the help is there for them. Ideally not being prejudiced against tattooed people would be better imo. But here there still are people willing to beat up, and even kill, those who are already protected by the extra rights they were given because they are prejudiced against so i do get how society can take a long time to catch up with being non-biased, non-prejudice, and non-hateful. Do you think the same should apply to the military? Currently face and neck tattoos are a bar to entry and I think it should stay that way. Plenty of squaddies are covered in tattoos everywhere else but getting one on your face will have you kicked out or not allowed in. I don't think anyone should have to remove any form of decoration unless it's a health and safety hazard. People are vain, people like to have their own look. You're expected to become uniform from school age though and not have anything too extreme to keep the classroom a quiet environment (ie. so that people who are bullies don't have anything to feed off). The problem with that kind of thinking is that you are taught to do nothing about bullies and instead to change yourself, to change who you fundamentally are or not be who you want to be, so that you are not picked on. I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway..." Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination. How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job? It doesn’t. Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world. That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view . If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison ! When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too . If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours . To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple . Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief. How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination. tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals. How naive and judgemental are you? Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict. Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ? There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way . I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will . Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker. Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors. Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos. Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now. I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that? Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them? Yes I do . I have both upper arms heavily tattooed from the elbow up to the shoulder . Took over six hours to do each . But they are only visible if I wear nothing or a vest as they are for my benefit and no one else’s . If I wanted to shove two fingers up at society would have had my face done , but that’s not what I want . I’m fully aware that face tattoos no longer represent the fact that the owner has served time , but that’s not the point here . The question is whether those who have face tattoos should get benefits when they find themselves unemployable as they are self inflicted reasons to become so . I would say the answer to this is that those who can’t get the job they want , should work somewhere that is happy to employ them and make the sacrifice as they created the issue . Society isn’t ready for it yet , and yes my generation is dying out , and your generation is making the rules now . But while we oldies still employ the next generation , we will still have our rules , so the next generation may have to wait a while before expecting us to employ them when we feel they won’t be representing us and our businesses in the way we want them to . I agree fully if you loose your job cos you broke company rules for whatever reason it’s your own fault. Face tattoos, drugs whatever. We all sign a contract of employment we all know the consequences. My point is that a tattoo does not affect your ability to carry out a job. I don’t understand what the stigma with tattoos is still. We have been tattooing each other for centuries now some good and some very bad reasons why we have tattoos. It’s becoming the norm to see art work on people now I honestly don’t understand the stigma around it still. " I remember in the late 80's and 90's a lot of job description saying no visible tattoos, with it being the norm I can see it happening again. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway... Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world." Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons. Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces! The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces. Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best. Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway... Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world. Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons. Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces! The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces. Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best. Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces. " Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face. Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon. If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle. The Navy have had beards since the beginning. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway... Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world. Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons. Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces! The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces. Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best. Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces. Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face. Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon. If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle. The Navy have had beards since the beginning. " Indeed but soon pretty much all of the forces will be allowed them. Limited length of course but the new respirator is much better. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway... Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world. Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons. Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces! The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces. Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best. Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces. Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face. Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon. If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle. The Navy have had beards since the beginning. Indeed but soon pretty much all of the forces will be allowed them. Limited length of course but the new respirator is much better. " Totally agree. I left the forces in 2008 when the changes were starting to happen. My eldest son is now serving and couldn't believe he came home with brown boots lol. I do hope the kit is better as before we resorted to buying American or German kit as it for far superior to the stuff we were issued back in the day. | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway... Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world. Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons. Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces! The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces. Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best. Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces. Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face. Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon. If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle. The Navy have had beards since the beginning. Indeed but soon pretty much all of the forces will be allowed them. Limited length of course but the new respirator is much better. Totally agree. I left the forces in 2008 when the changes were starting to happen. My eldest son is now serving and couldn't believe he came home with brown boots lol. I do hope the kit is better as before we resorted to buying American or German kit as it for far superior to the stuff we were issued back in the day. " My webbing and daysack are my own as the issue stuff isn't great, but the smocks, softy jackets, virtus helmets etc are decent kit, and MTP pattern combats are very effective in most environments. The brown boots are pretty decent as well once worn in, some people go for Altbergs but I don't mind the Haix ones | |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Post new Message to Thread |
back to top |