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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

Dunno, but i'm now thinking of having my face and neck tattooed.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

PS you know the real problem is people won't employ them? Tattoos are a part of culture now.

They supposed to just die so you don't have to pay for their benefits or something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can see employers starting to say no tattoos, it happened once before in the 80's & 90's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmm. We’d end up with a pretty high percentage of unemployed in Wales if this happened.

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By *r C Miss CCouple
over a year ago

llanelli

Im covered in tattoos im also a 24/7 career for my partner when she goes through her bad spells and some of the things i do is nobodys business and im still considered unemployed. You know what i do it for nothing, but i get £65 a week for carering for someone that can sometimes not walk at all and has some really bad fits... it looks like an epileptic fit but shes fully aware of everything amd feels every second of it unlike epileptics...

We dont like we just exist

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By *r C Miss CCouple
over a year ago

llanelli

Ps we live in wales lol

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By *horecruxCouple
over a year ago

SE4

We send them to America

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

"

Pretty much the same. You won't find many jobs that can accept face tatoos and aren't minimum wage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

He ended up opening his own tattoo shop and it’s really successful, can’t remember the guys Instagram name Kian or Kiaran something and he had like half a million followers. Worked out for him in the end!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

"

This came as a surprise to him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as i love tattoos i personally wouldn't have one that cant be covered with a shirt

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

We advised both our kids to avoid tattoos that you can't cover up.

People don't want doctors, teachers, lawyers to have teardrops tattooed on their face and love and hate on their knuckles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We advised both our kids to avoid tattoos that you can't cover up.

People don't want doctors, teachers, lawyers to have teardrops tattooed on their face and love and hate on their knuckles. "

I'd never get a tattoo on my neck, face or hands.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

East Sussex


"We advised both our kids to avoid tattoos that you can't cover up.

People don't want doctors, teachers, lawyers to have teardrops tattooed on their face and love and hate on their knuckles.

I'd never get a tattoo on my neck, face or hands."

I'd never get a tattoo now. I considered it for a while but when I discovered you can't go swimming for at least four weeks afterwards I went off the idea.

I like the look of a lot of tattoos but some are ill advised to say the least.

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By *ottie_84Woman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I’m covered in tattoos and wanting more, only place I won’t get done is my face or neck

I know plenty of people who have their faces/necks etc tattooed and hold down pretty steady jobs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's true having a facial tattoo may make things harder but if you want to make something of yourself in life a bit of ink on the face shouldn't prevent it.

You maybe rule yourself out of a few professions however self esteem and body confidence and being happy with who you are is what really matters and can go a very long way in the world.

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By *ystical_InkedBBWWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the Shire of Derby


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

"

It depends on the job. Some have a strict tattoos must be covered policy others are more tolerant and accept that tattoos don't effect the way a person does their job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him? "

Erm... I don’t think I said it did.

And I doubt it did.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

When did it say it did? "

I'm asking a question...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

It depends on the job. Some have a strict tattoos must be covered policy others are more tolerant and accept that tattoos don't effect the way a person does their job. "

Yup.

I don’t have any tattoos myself and won’t ever get any but I know plenty who have them and hold down a good job.

Don’t think I’ve ever come across a doctor/nurse/lawyer with a face/neck tattoo though.

I do agree also having tattoos don’t affect the way a person does their job. Also with ink becoming increasingly popular these days I’d like to see what will happen with jobs that have strict rules on tattoos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

When did it say it did?

I'm asking a question... "

Well since I’m not him, I can’t answer.

If I find the guy on Instagram I’ll be sure to pass on his username to you so you can ask him personally.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

When did it say it did?

I'm asking a question...

Well since I’m not him, I can’t answer.

If I find the guy on Instagram I’ll be sure to pass on his username to you so you can ask him personally. "

I would have assumed he was self employed when he had it done and not banking on passing interviews in future. The fact that he become self employed makes a lot of sense to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

When did it say it did?

I'm asking a question...

Well since I’m not him, I can’t answer.

If I find the guy on Instagram I’ll be sure to pass on his username to you so you can ask him personally.

I would have assumed he was self employed when he had it done and not banking on passing interviews in future. The fact that he become self employed makes a lot of sense to me. "

You’ll have to find him on Instagram to see if your assumptions were correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The army changed its rules about 3 years ago and the navy changed theirs 2 months ago- you can have neck and hand tats now as long as they’re not visable from the the front in an open necked polo shirt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies.....

But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it...

If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great

If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool

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By *ankie303Woman
over a year ago

Weirdsville South Coast Dorset

I work 60/90 hour weeks and I have neck tattoos, they dont stop me being 1 of only 5 people to do my exact, highly skilled job!

I know others with face tattoos who also work so really it's just an excuse!

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place


"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies.....

But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it...

If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great

If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool"

Should we just let people starve then?

What is the solution?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies.....

But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it...

If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great

If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool

Should we just let people starve then?

What is the solution? "

The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working....

But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hubby is a tattooist. He has his head tattooed which is ongoing work. However he has no desire nor ever will tattoo his face even though he’s in the industry.

Like everything else, different folks different strokes. He personally refuses to tattoo faces of a client asks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

"

Well its going to go the same way eventually I imagine, only a fool does it so who would employ a fool?

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By *ack Genuine BullMan
over a year ago

Loughborough

Thats why they are called "JOBSTOPPERS"

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By *ottie_84Woman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies.....

But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it...

If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great

If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool

Should we just let people starve then?

What is the solution?

The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working....

But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick "

Why should they have to cover up???

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies.....

But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it...

If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great

If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool

Should we just let people starve then?

What is the solution?

The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working....

But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick

Why should they have to cover up???"

So they can get a job I'm guessing. When I worked in a call centre I had to cover up a tattoo on my ankle as their dress code was no visible tattoos even though we weren't customer facing.

Where I work now the rules are less strict, even though its a much more responsible role.

I wouldn't get tattoos on my nrct or face. Whilst tattoos have become more mainstream there is still stigma related to certain tattoos and certain areas of the body that get tattooed. I don't know how we break that down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely when someone gets a face or neck tattoo they know the consequences of this in the job market?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sin - I'd never have my face or neck tattood and every tattoo I have can easily be covered for work.

While tattoos are more accepted it should be common sense to know that employers are not going to look favourably on potential employees who have tattoos plastered all over their heads and neck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Face tattoos are stupid

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By *oerow16Man
over a year ago

Essex/ London

Would never have a face tattoo have one on my neck never had a problem getting a job

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By *ottie_84Woman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I think I’m lucky in my current job I can have all my tattoos on show (visible ones) and they couldn’t give a hoot but I know that when I finish my degree and change my job & career I might have to cover up

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By *aturetemptressWoman
over a year ago

Knutsford


"We send them to America "

And call them yankers

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By *ightboy69Man
over a year ago

Torquay

Neck is not so bad as can be covered easily I guess , face tattoo's look bloody rediculous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

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By *r appyMan
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

if it's joined up writing then it is classy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a neck tattoo, it’s a cancer ribbon for my grandma who died of throat cancer, I’ve nevet had anyone judge me by it and can’t imagine it holding me back, I’ve had people praise me for it which although sweet, isn’t why I got it, I have another cancer ribbon on my forearm too for another family member, again it’s never brought any negativity, maybe I’m just lucky but I don’t see the problem, when I had the one on my neck done my boss told me how much he liked it and we work with the public directly

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By *ill Hill FunseekersCouple
over a year ago

london

I think face face and neck tattoos are an extreme fashion statement.

Fashion goes out very quickly!!

I have 3 tattoos which can all be covered up if need be. C.

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By *bonynivoryCouple
over a year ago

market harborough


"Surely when someone gets a face or neck tattoo they know the consequences of this in the job market?"

Right!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

"

Love them and would employ them as long as they looked and smelled clean and everything else was good including attitude. In fact have done.

But that's only in a certain type of job.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!"

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think. "

Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think.

Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?"

Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there.

I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think.

Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?

Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there.

I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. "

This is great to hear... you made life choices and are being a productive citizen....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think.

Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?

Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there.

I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all. "

Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I think they look really classy. A signature or spider web behind the ear, or small bird or tear drop on the cheek. Even better when coupled with a large cross or similar across the throat! Take my money!

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think.

Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?

Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there.

I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all.

Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ?"

Did about 10 in psychology as i have a lot of knowledge about that anyway and just wanted qualifications, then via those courses i learned a little about biology and cells, DNA and found that way more interesting so moved into that field instead and that is where i want to work.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

Nobody needs to worry either way because the robots will be taking over soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him? "

It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you.

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By *ill Hill FunseekersCouple
over a year ago

london


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you."

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you."

People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you.

People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations. "

Good point. A lot of them use dubious methods and don't want whistle blowers working for them.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you.

People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations.

Good point. A lot of them use dubious methods and don't want whistle blowers working for them. "

There's certainly a type of personality that can cope with the inevitable structure of a large organisation. A lot of what schools do is really there to start the moulding process and has nothing or little to do with education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

"

I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm.

and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm.

and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed "

I’m a little confused..... you are working.... my post is about people that can’t find employment but are looking for benefits

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

This came as a surprise to him?

It should. Not getting a job that you're totally qualified for and the best candidate for just because of your tattoos is bullshit. It doesn't alter how good you are at the job, how professional you are, or how qualified you are. All it does is tell you about the prejudices of the people interviewing you.

People make judgements based on appearance and that's not always a bad thing. Either he's not aware of that fact which calls into question his intelligence, or he doesn't care which will have him marked down as a non-conformist. Conformity is part of working in big organisations.

Good point. A lot of them use dubious methods and don't want whistle blowers working for them.

There's certainly a type of personality that can cope with the inevitable structure of a large organisation. A lot of what schools do is really there to start the moulding process and has nothing or little to do with education. "

Probably. I started skipping the last two years of school when they started reteaching us what we'd already learned in previous years...can't believe they had run out of education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think.

Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?

Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there.

I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all.

Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ?

Did about 10 in psychology as i have a lot of knowledge about that anyway and just wanted qualifications, then via those courses i learned a little about biology and cells, DNA and found that way more interesting so moved into that field instead and that is where i want to work. "

Sounds good

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham


"We advised both our kids to avoid tattoos that you can't cover up.

People don't want doctors, teachers, lawyers to have teardrops tattooed on their face and love and hate on their knuckles.

I'd never get a tattoo on my neck, face or hands."

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Interesting this one - there was an American model who had full day of the dead style tattoos all over his body and face - he was a stunning work of art but he killed himself last year, and there was a male porn star who had the side of his face and neck tattooed who did the same. I am not saying they had mental health problems but they both put themselves in extreme situations which were not reversible and we all know that unless you have a very thick hide, it doesn’t take a lot of rejection before you feel low.

And also as the only growth industries in the valleys appear to be drug dealing and tattooing what future would there be without the full range of joined up writing? Incidentally I don’t see many welsh language tattoos so there’s an idea!

Won't go into details but i have mental health problems, i'm heavily tattooed and that is because tattooing myself became a way of claiming back my body for myself.

The only negatives that come about from being heavily tattooed are other people reactions and prejudices (and if people are like that anyway at least they reveal themselves to me pretty quickly and i haven't invested anything much in them so it's also a bonus). Overall i am very happy that i spent time and money on myself and gave myself a value, it boosted me to look after myself better in general.

Maybe he didn't have support? That is the biggest barrier to getting well when it comes to mental health i think.

Has being heavily tattooed hindered you in the job market?

Dunno. First started getting them 14 years ago while a housewife and my partner was working, then i became a carer and my carees aren't arsed because they just want caring for. In niche markets i am a thing so it's helped there.

I've spent the past 2 years studying and gained 21 qualifications. Got a few more years to go but if i excel in my field i feel it's unlikely to hinder me at all.

Out of interest, what (vaguely) are your qualifications in ?

Did about 10 in psychology as i have a lot of knowledge about that anyway and just wanted qualifications, then via those courses i learned a little about biology and cells, DNA and found that way more interesting so moved into that field instead and that is where i want to work.

Sounds good "

It's certainly interesting and looking for discrepancies in the code is fun.

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By *egasus NobMan
over a year ago

Wandsworth

They are either stupid or genius. You are always judged based on appearance. Wear winter jacket in summer and ask why is everyone looking at me because when you do, say, wear things that don't regular fit the occasion you stand out like a sore thumb.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"They are either stupid or genius. You are always judged based on appearance. Wear winter jacket in summer and ask why is everyone looking at me because when you do, say, wear things that don't regular fit the occasion you stand out like a sore thumb. "

As Oscar wilde said, only superficial people don't judge by appearances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I interview someone, I'm looking for skills, ability and determination to learn and personality. Whether they have visible tattoos is of no importance.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"When I interview someone, I'm looking for skills, ability and determination to learn and personality. Whether they have visible tattoos is of no importance. "

And when I interview someone , I’m looking for someone who will resonate well with my customers , who will work well with the rest of the team , who isn’t full of themselves , who will happily stick to the tasks required and above all someone who doesn’t need to go out of their way to make an impression with garish make up and tattoos all over their faces .

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"When I interview someone, I'm looking for skills, ability and determination to learn and personality. Whether they have visible tattoos is of no importance.

And when I interview someone , I’m looking for someone who will resonate well with my customers , who will work well with the rest of the team , who isn’t full of themselves , who will happily stick to the tasks required and above all someone who doesn’t need to go out of their way to make an impression with garish make up and tattoos all over their faces .

So you wouldn't employ your own wife then?

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm.

and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed

I’m a little confused..... you are working.... my post is about people that can’t find employment but are looking for benefits "

Im

Entitled to answer so i did

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

I love neck tattoos

It seems more acceptable in the UK for tattoos in the workplace

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We are having a problem in America with people not being able to get employment because of tattoos on their face and neck....

These people are now filings for benefits and we as tax payers have to foot the bill....

How is this being handled in the UK?

I have a tattoo nape of my neck and both wrists. i have never had an issue and i work full time for a big firm.

and im not filling no benefits. never ever claimed

I’m a little confused..... you are working.... my post is about people that can’t find employment but are looking for benefits

Im

Entitled to answer so i did"

Ohh okay, you just wanted to join the thread....

My confused stemmed from not understanding your point....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When I interview someone, I'm looking for skills, ability and determination to learn and personality. Whether they have visible tattoos is of no importance.

And when I interview someone , I’m looking for someone who will resonate well with my customers , who will work well with the rest of the team , who isn’t full of themselves , who will happily stick to the tasks required and above all someone who doesn’t need to go out of their way to make an impression with garish make up and tattoos all over their faces .

One of my best installation engineers has tattoos on his hands, neck and face. He is one of my first choice engineers as his customer service skills are second to none. This guy works all over Europe, and while I admit that on first meeting clients can be a little taken back, he quickly wins them over with his abilities, openness, language skills and personality

"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I love neck tattoos

It seems more acceptable in the UK for tattoos in the workplace "

Here in the states also... but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with a neck tattoo or face tattoo at the bank...

Also to clarify..... I’m not speaking about neck tattoos on the back of the neck... those can be covered by long hair. I’m talking about the neck tattoos on the throat or side of the neck..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A few tasteful tattoos are certainly acceptable, but if you have visible or extreme tattoos and they prevent you getting a job then I have no sympathy.

To keep in my profession over the years I work fucking hard in and out of work, go on multiple courses, dress smartly, take a load of shit.

I have been through two redundancies, started several businesses and if I walked around with pictures all over my face and arms I would have got nowhere.

Now let me say before you diss me that I defend anyone's right to have tattoos or piercings, dress weird (maybe that is just me) or other body mods, but don't expect employers to bend over backwards to have their customers scared off.

Employment rates are high but it is such a competitive world out there that you need to get your priorities right first.

Rant over

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex


"I love neck tattoos

It seems more acceptable in the UK for tattoos in the workplace

Here in the states also... but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with a neck tattoo or face tattoo at the bank...

Also to clarify..... I’m not speaking about neck tattoos on the back of the neck... those can be covered by long hair. I’m talking about the neck tattoos on the throat or side of the neck.."

TBH I was already thinking you meant on the front of the neck

It seems so antiquated prejudices towards body art

Last time I checked inked skin doesnt change anyone’s ability

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I love neck tattoos

It seems more acceptable in the UK for tattoos in the workplace

Here in the states also... but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with a neck tattoo or face tattoo at the bank...

Also to clarify..... I’m not speaking about neck tattoos on the back of the neck... those can be covered by long hair. I’m talking about the neck tattoos on the throat or side of the neck..

TBH I was already thinking you meant on the front of the neck

It seems so antiquated prejudices towards body art

Last time I checked inked skin doesnt change anyone’s ability "

Yes I agree.... my ex had stretched earlobes.. not huge maybe 8-10 centimeters... also a nose piercing.... they asked her to remove them before they hired her as a teacher

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"I’m covered in tattoos and wanting more, only place I won’t get done is my face or neck

I know plenty of people who have their faces/necks etc tattooed and hold down pretty steady jobs "

Holding down a job is ok, but should somethibg happen to render them on the dole. That is where the problem lies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place."

The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don’t care what a person wants to do with their bodies.....

But if you Can’t make a life choice and expect society to pay for it...

If you have a face tattoo and are self employed.. great

If you have a face tattoo and want benefits... not cool

Should we just let people starve then?

What is the solution?

The solution would be to hire the person but stipulate that they have to wear make up or a band aid to cover up their tattoos while working....

But they in no way should be able to collect benefits... they are not sick

Why should they have to cover up???"

If you need a job, you are told you need to cover up to get it.

What do you do?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes."

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it should be law that the price of a tattoo includes insurance that will pay for its removal at any time in the future.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company"

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there. "

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me."

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Footballers have loads and there among the richest in the country

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Footballers have loads and there among the richest in the country "

Because sports are about as close to a pure meritocracy as you will find.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages. "

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst I would love one I’ve never had a tattoo after a piece of advise from my grandfather

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

"

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without."

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

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By *ustafasinghMan
over a year ago

leicester

In my profession neck tattoos are fine but face ones aren’t. They’re fine with tattoos but with working in the jewellery business it simple as you need to look professional. And tattoos on the face would generate a downfall in business. (They genuinely paid a company to find out if someone with face tattoos would make impact on customers decisions)

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. "

But you are missing the point.

If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable!

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic. "

Oh come on !

The tattoo is something the person chose to have .

The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality .

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

But you are missing the point.

If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable!"

I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

But you are missing the point.

If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable!

I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that. "

Why should we?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

Oh come on !

The tattoo is something the person chose to have .

The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality ."

Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

But you are missing the point.

If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable!

I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that.

Why should we?"

Because a meritocracy is an inherently superior system.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

Oh come on !

The tattoo is something the person chose to have .

The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality .

Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive. "

That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years .

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

But you are missing the point.

If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable!

I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that.

Why should we?

Because a meritocracy is an inherently superior system. "

Good luck explaining that to an employer

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

Oh come on !

The tattoo is something the person chose to have .

The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality .

Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive.

That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years ."

You never met a person and accurately predicted they were homosexual before they confirmed it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple ."

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

But you are missing the point.

If someone gets a face tattoo and can't get a job, who is to blame the employer for not wanting to give a job to them or the person who made themselves unemployable!

I'm not disputing that is the way the world is. I'm trying to get you to think about whether it should be like that.

Why should we?

Because a meritocracy is an inherently superior system.

Good luck explaining that to an employer "

Anyone who understands GCSE business and economics, wouldn't need me to.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

Oh come on !

The tattoo is something the person chose to have .

The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality .

Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive.

That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years .

You never met a person and accurately predicted they were homosexual before they confirmed it? "

Even when I started as an ‘employer’ over thirty years ago , I never gave it a second thought .

I’ve employed gay guys , lesbians , young , old , tattooed and not tattooed , pretty much every type of person you could name .

If I felt any type may offend my clientele I wouldn’t employ them , unless my clientele were offended by someone being homosexual , then I would hope they would understand that their thinking is at fault , but if they don’t like tattooed faces , I can empathise with that .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. "

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Couple guys in the same industrie as me have been refused work in certain places for giving tats on their necks.

Employers being stupid in my eyes.

But the employer is paying their wage, the employers client say what goes and doesn't.

Just as it is personal choice to get body art, it is also personal choice not to allow it in his/ her company

Your criteria are insufficient to justify the refusal. If the employer had a problem with black people then the fact that they pay the wages doesn't mean they get to decide that black people can't work there.

My criteria is insufficient to justify a refusal????

Their company, their rules. It seems very simple to me.

So why can't they make rules about race or sexuality then? Their company, their rules. They pay the wages.

Why should they?

Why should they change rules or make them just to give soneone with a face or neck tattoo a job when they can give it to someone without.

I see you don't actually have an answer. One is discrimination, one isn't. But the reasons are not logical. Some forms of prejudice we allow, others we don't. No logic.

Oh come on !

The tattoo is something the person chose to have .

The colour of ones skin is not a choice and unless the job is as a sex worker , I can’t see why one would refuse a job based on someone’s sexuality .

Acting on sexuality is a choice. Some people just don't like people that aren't monogamous hetrosexuals. They don't want to see them, find the sight of them repulsive.

That’s as maybe , but I’ve never asked anyone about their sexuality when interviewing them , and I’ve interviewed hundreds of people over the years .

You never met a person and accurately predicted they were homosexual before they confirmed it?

Even when I started as an ‘employer’ over thirty years ago , I never gave it a second thought .

I’ve employed gay guys , lesbians , young , old , tattooed and not tattooed , pretty much every type of person you could name .

If I felt any type may offend my clientele I wouldn’t employ them , unless my clientele were offended by someone being homosexual , then I would hope they would understand that their thinking is at fault , but if they don’t like tattooed faces , I can empathise with that ."

Today I can, I do think that there's a hypocrisy in the prejudices we do and don't accept. I think that in future we should be more open minded.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job. "

I’m not saying they make anyone rubbishy at their job .

I’m saying there is a certain social stigma attached to tattoos on people’s faces .

Anyone who has a tattoo on their face is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ to those who are offended by them . So when those same people are in a position to choose whether to employ the person who is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ , and they choose not to , they shouldn’t be surprised really .

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

"

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

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over a year ago

Horsham

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

I like tattoos, I have a few and planning more, but face and neck are a no go for me. Seems to be the trend among 20 somethings now to be absolutely covered including neck and face which is a fashion choice that they're likely to regret in a few years time.

There's a guy at the gym I go to who has had the entire back and sides of his head and neck covered in a geometric pattern and two upside down crucifixes under his eyes

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

I’m not saying they make anyone rubbishy at their job .

I’m saying there is a certain social stigma attached to tattoos on people’s faces .

Anyone who has a tattoo on their face is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ to those who are offended by them . So when those same people are in a position to choose whether to employ the person who is saying ‘ fuck you ‘ , and they choose not to , they shouldn’t be surprised really ."

Part 1 of the cold hard truth is that talent is so unevenly distributed amongst the population that some people have awkward personalities worth accomdating. Part 2 of the cold hard truth is that not many of those people choose to tatoo their faces. But my views are shaped by working in software, which has the largest variance in productivity between workers outside of professional sports.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

"

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?"

Would you get a face tattoo?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

Would you get a face tattoo?"

Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

Would you get a face tattoo?

Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk. "

Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice?

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By *hubnwife_36dd_ukCouple
over a year ago

chester


"There was a guy who spoke about this on Instagram, he had a face tattoo and has full sleeves and spoke of how every single job he applied for he got turned down at the interview stage and he could tell they were judging him from his appearance.

And one interviewer mentioned if it wasn’t for the tattoos he’d have the job.

He ended up opening his own tattoo shop and it’s really successful, can’t remember the guys Instagram name Kian or Kiaran something and he had like half a million followers. Worked out for him in the end! "

Yep, worked out well for him in the end expanding the number of people with the same problem!

Bet they didn't all get to open tattoo shops.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

Would you get a face tattoo?

Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk.

Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice?"

I have other places I would rather have done and I know face tattoos hurt more than any other place. No other reason to tell you the truth. I don’t really enjoy pain.

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By *hubnwife_36dd_ukCouple
over a year ago

chester


"Face tattoos are stupid"

Well said, got it in one, despite what all the "my personal right to self-expression" apologists spout out.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

"

Yes I do . I have both upper arms heavily tattooed from the elbow up to the shoulder . Took over six hours to do each .

But they are only visible if I wear nothing or a vest as they are for my benefit and no one else’s .

If I wanted to shove two fingers up at society would have had my face done , but that’s not what I want .

I’m fully aware that face tattoos no longer represent the fact that the owner has served time , but that’s not the point here . The question is whether those who have face tattoos should get benefits when they find themselves unemployable as they are self inflicted reasons to become so .

I would say the answer to this is that those who can’t get the job they want , should work somewhere that is happy to employ them and make the sacrifice as they created the issue . Society isn’t ready for it yet , and yes my generation is dying out , and your generation is making the rules now . But while we oldies still employ the next generation , we will still have our rules , so the next generation may have to wait a while before expecting us to employ them when we feel they won’t be representing us and our businesses in the way we want them to .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

Would you get a face tattoo?

Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk.

Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice?

I have other places I would rather have done and I know face tattoos hurt more than any other place. No other reason to tell you the truth. I don’t really enjoy pain. "

I thought the pain would be similar to other bony areas, like ribcage, elbow or sternum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

Yes I do . I have both upper arms heavily tattooed from the elbow up to the shoulder . Took over six hours to do each .

But they are only visible if I wear nothing or a vest as they are for my benefit and no one else’s .

If I wanted to shove two fingers up at society would have had my face done , but that’s not what I want .

I’m fully aware that face tattoos no longer represent the fact that the owner has served time , but that’s not the point here . The question is whether those who have face tattoos should get benefits when they find themselves unemployable as they are self inflicted reasons to become so .

I would say the answer to this is that those who can’t get the job they want , should work somewhere that is happy to employ them and make the sacrifice as they created the issue . Society isn’t ready for it yet , and yes my generation is dying out , and your generation is making the rules now . But while we oldies still employ the next generation , we will still have our rules , so the next generation may have to wait a while before expecting us to employ them when we feel they won’t be representing us and our businesses in the way we want them to ."

I agree fully if you loose your job cos you broke company rules for whatever reason it’s your own fault. Face tattoos, drugs whatever. We all sign a contract of employment we all know the consequences.

My point is that a tattoo does not affect your ability to carry out a job. I don’t understand what the stigma with tattoos is still. We have been tattooing each other for centuries now some good and some very bad reasons why we have tattoos.

It’s becoming the norm to see art work on people now I honestly don’t understand the stigma around it still.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

Would you get a face tattoo?

Yes I would if it was a style and design I like. Wouldn’t be my 1st choice of places to have one though. I’ve made mistakes with tattoos in the past but I was young and d*unk.

Can I ask why it wouldn't be your first choice?

I have other places I would rather have done and I know face tattoos hurt more than any other place. No other reason to tell you the truth. I don’t really enjoy pain.

I thought the pain would be similar to other bony areas, like ribcage, elbow or sternum.

"

Yes probably and I didn’t realise the pain on them till it was too late not something I particularly want to do again.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place.

The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable."

Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place.

The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable.

Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault."

Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ...

If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself?

I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer...

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place.

The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable.

Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault.

Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ...

If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself?

I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer..."

? Guessing you've no idea about the welfare system...

All people claiming unemployment benefits here have to be looking for work, they can't just pick and choose a job. They have to apply for everything in their area (my ex applied to be a nail technician despite having no experience or qualifications, waste of his time and bus fare but he was told he had to do it).

Anyway, if someone has tattoos and isn't gaining employment because of them then there needs to be rules in place to stop that discrimination. You can't turn around and blame them for not getting work when they show they are willing.

It's not illegal to be tattooed, it's not illegal to have facial tattoos either. So has the person with the facial tattoos done anything illegal? No. So why would anyone not be willing to employ them, unless prejudiced against tattooed people of course.

So, can you really deny someone the basic right to a job? A lot of people in here are certainly justifying that with their saying tattooed people are not employable. Thing is facial tattoos are not illegal, denying someone the basic right to paid work based on prejudices is though for many people who experienced that discrimination already.

So, it's why some people do have those additional rights; women have rights, the disabled have rights, it's why ethnic minorities have rights. Same will have to happen for tattooed people at some point rather than them being penalised for doing nothing illegal and seeking work but being prejudiced against when they apply. You can't deny people basic rights because they made non-illegal choices, well you can't even deny them to criminals either but that's a moot point.

Society tends to go against it's prejudices eventually, forced by the legal system to do that, because it doesn't make any sense to hold prejudices usually. The same will happen with tattoos.

Also,the DWP does pay for people to have tattoos removed if it is felt those tattoos are a hindrance to the person gaining employment. So they don't even see fit to tell them they aren't entitled to benefits but they do also subscribe to the belief that tattooed people are not employable and recognises that the prejudice is there.

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By *F JonesMan
over a year ago

London


"They are either stupid or genius. You are always judged based on appearance. Wear winter jacket in summer and ask why is everyone looking at me because when you do, say, wear things that don't regular fit the occasion you stand out like a sore thumb.

As Oscar wilde said, only superficial people don't judge by appearances "

Also said... “I’m so clever sometimes I don’t understand a single word I’m saying” - Oscar Wilde

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By * n hCouple
over a year ago

slarrr

mate of mine is coverd on his face neck etc lol hes got invisible tattoos..... like mairo (newzeland tribal tatts)

they use a U.V ink that glows in U.V light mixed into and arround his reg tatts....

I like idea of futuristic abstract peice. like in new Total Recall film... google it some amazing ink work.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place.

The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable.

Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault.

Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ...

If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself?

I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer...

? Guessing you've no idea about the welfare system...

All people claiming unemployment benefits here have to be looking for work, they can't just pick and choose a job. They have to apply for everything in their area (my ex applied to be a nail technician despite having no experience or qualifications, waste of his time and bus fare but he was told he had to do it).

Anyway, if someone has tattoos and isn't gaining employment because of them then there needs to be rules in place to stop that discrimination. You can't turn around and blame them for not getting work when they show they are willing.

It's not illegal to be tattooed, it's not illegal to have facial tattoos either. So has the person with the facial tattoos done anything illegal? No. So why would anyone not be willing to employ them, unless prejudiced against tattooed people of course.

So, can you really deny someone the basic right to a job? A lot of people in here are certainly justifying that with their saying tattooed people are not employable. Thing is facial tattoos are not illegal, denying someone the basic right to paid work based on prejudices is though for many people who experienced that discrimination already.

So, it's why some people do have those additional rights; women have rights, the disabled have rights, it's why ethnic minorities have rights. Same will have to happen for tattooed people at some point rather than them being penalised for doing nothing illegal and seeking work but being prejudiced against when they apply. You can't deny people basic rights because they made non-illegal choices, well you can't even deny them to criminals either but that's a moot point.

Society tends to go against it's prejudices eventually, forced by the legal system to do that, because it doesn't make any sense to hold prejudices usually. The same will happen with tattoos.

Also,the DWP does pay for people to have tattoos removed if it is felt those tattoos are a hindrance to the person gaining employment. So they don't even see fit to tell them they aren't entitled to benefits but they do also subscribe to the belief that tattooed people are not employable and recognises that the prejudice is there."

You’re a very good poster... thank you for educating me on the situation in the UK

I believe we will implement a free tattoo removal system to help our citizens gain employment...

Currently free tattoo removal is only offered to ex gang members and women who were sex workers...

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York


"Its their own fault if they can't get a job because of a face tattoo, gotta be stupid to get one on your face in the first place.

The question could be asked, should they be allowed benefits as effectively they have made themselves unemployable.

Yes they should be allowed because the people designating who is entitled to benefits also has the power to say that discriminating against tattooed people is wrong and can make laws to ensure it doesn't happen, if the government fail to act on that then that's their fault.

Isn’t it the person with the tattoo responsibility to take any job that will employ him/her before looking for benefits? ...

If you’re looking for a job as a teacher and you’re denied employment because of your appearance... shouldn’t you take any job to support yourself?

I don’t think receiving benefits and being unemployed until a school changes it’s tattoo policy is the answer...

? Guessing you've no idea about the welfare system...

All people claiming unemployment benefits here have to be looking for work, they can't just pick and choose a job. They have to apply for everything in their area (my ex applied to be a nail technician despite having no experience or qualifications, waste of his time and bus fare but he was told he had to do it).

Anyway, if someone has tattoos and isn't gaining employment because of them then there needs to be rules in place to stop that discrimination. You can't turn around and blame them for not getting work when they show they are willing.

It's not illegal to be tattooed, it's not illegal to have facial tattoos either. So has the person with the facial tattoos done anything illegal? No. So why would anyone not be willing to employ them, unless prejudiced against tattooed people of course.

So, can you really deny someone the basic right to a job? A lot of people in here are certainly justifying that with their saying tattooed people are not employable. Thing is facial tattoos are not illegal, denying someone the basic right to paid work based on prejudices is though for many people who experienced that discrimination already.

So, it's why some people do have those additional rights; women have rights, the disabled have rights, it's why ethnic minorities have rights. Same will have to happen for tattooed people at some point rather than them being penalised for doing nothing illegal and seeking work but being prejudiced against when they apply. You can't deny people basic rights because they made non-illegal choices, well you can't even deny them to criminals either but that's a moot point.

Society tends to go against it's prejudices eventually, forced by the legal system to do that, because it doesn't make any sense to hold prejudices usually. The same will happen with tattoos.

Also,the DWP does pay for people to have tattoos removed if it is felt those tattoos are a hindrance to the person gaining employment. So they don't even see fit to tell them they aren't entitled to benefits but they do also subscribe to the belief that tattooed people are not employable and recognises that the prejudice is there."

Do you think the same should apply to the military? Currently face and neck tattoos are a bar to entry and I think it should stay that way. Plenty of squaddies are covered in tattoos everywhere else but getting one on your face will have you kicked out or not allowed in.

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"You’re a very good poster... thank you for educating me on the situation in the UK

I believe we will implement a free tattoo removal system to help our citizens gain employment...

Currently free tattoo removal is only offered to ex gang members and women who were sex workers..."

Maybe. I think a lot of people don't get tattoos with the intent of getting them removed but for those who want that it would be helpful. I totally get why gang members or sex workers would want those removed though and pleased the help is there for them.

Ideally not being prejudiced against tattooed people would be better imo. But here there still are people willing to beat up, and even kill, those who are already protected by the extra rights they were given because they are prejudiced against so i do get how society can take a long time to catch up with being non-biased, non-prejudice, and non-hateful.


"Do you think the same should apply to the military? Currently face and neck tattoos are a bar to entry and I think it should stay that way. Plenty of squaddies are covered in tattoos everywhere else but getting one on your face will have you kicked out or not allowed in."

I don't think anyone should have to remove any form of decoration unless it's a health and safety hazard.

People are vain, people like to have their own look. You're expected to become uniform from school age though and not have anything too extreme to keep the classroom a quiet environment (ie. so that people who are bullies don't have anything to feed off). The problem with that kind of thinking is that you are taught to do nothing about bullies and instead to change yourself, to change who you fundamentally are or not be who you want to be, so that you are not picked on.

I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway...

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

I see all the comments comparing discrimination against black, disabled, female, gay etc with discrimination against face tattoos. They are not the same thing.

Anti-discrimination law exists to stop people being discriminated against for things that are not their choice. Face tattoos are very much a choice (excepting sex trade which is a different matter). It is a very well known fact that some employers will not employ people with face tattoos and that many people can be frightened or at least put off by them.

Surely people might google face tattoos and check before getting themselves permanently marked wouldn't they? Nobody would be dumb enough to do it without a little research right?

I still remember the news around 20 years ago when that guy who had a spider web covering his whole face was trying to complain that a bank wouldn't employ him as a teller. I'm sure in every lounge in the country, people were saying "Well Duh".

If an employer feels customers might be put off by the tattoo then they have every right not to employ someone because of a CHOICE the person made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tattoos if you think about it were anti establishment so to put tatts on your face and neck are emphasising that and as a result establishment will shun them and in my opinion quite rightly so because the fools that have them are saying sod you

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York


"You’re a very good poster... thank you for educating me on the situation in the UK

I believe we will implement a free tattoo removal system to help our citizens gain employment...

Currently free tattoo removal is only offered to ex gang members and women who were sex workers...

Maybe. I think a lot of people don't get tattoos with the intent of getting them removed but for those who want that it would be helpful. I totally get why gang members or sex workers would want those removed though and pleased the help is there for them.

Ideally not being prejudiced against tattooed people would be better imo. But here there still are people willing to beat up, and even kill, those who are already protected by the extra rights they were given because they are prejudiced against so i do get how society can take a long time to catch up with being non-biased, non-prejudice, and non-hateful.

Do you think the same should apply to the military? Currently face and neck tattoos are a bar to entry and I think it should stay that way. Plenty of squaddies are covered in tattoos everywhere else but getting one on your face will have you kicked out or not allowed in.

I don't think anyone should have to remove any form of decoration unless it's a health and safety hazard.

People are vain, people like to have their own look. You're expected to become uniform from school age though and not have anything too extreme to keep the classroom a quiet environment (ie. so that people who are bullies don't have anything to feed off). The problem with that kind of thinking is that you are taught to do nothing about bullies and instead to change yourself, to change who you fundamentally are or not be who you want to be, so that you are not picked on.

I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway..."

Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Saying you can’t work here because you have tattoos is borderline discrimination.

How does a neck tattoo stop say for example a brain surgeon doing his job?

It doesn’t.

Think some people need to move on and live in the modern world.

That’s one way of looking at it , and there are many other ways to see it from others point of view .

If you have a brief representing you in court , and he has face tattoos you may feel differently . Especially if the jury and the judge go with the team that don’t have a brief who looks like he just escaped from prison !

When we represent ourselves , we do so with a level of intent . The way we dress , do our hair , and ultimately if we choose to have tattoos , them too .

If we want to represent ourselves in a way that may cause offence to potential employers , and can’t get a job as a result of it , it’s no ones fault but ours .

To say we should just move on and live in the modern world is a cop out . The fact is that if an employer doesn’t want to be represented by someone that doesn’t reflect the company policy then that’s that . Simple .

Imagine having a brief in court that is black but everyone else sided with the white brief.

How ould that look? that would be worse than discrimination.

tattoos do not limit the amount of knowledge and experience that people have. I work in a corporate environment and many visible tattoos doesn’t make me rubbish at my job.

You’ve also made an assumption by saying that people with face tattoos look like criminals.

How naive and judgemental are you?

Slightly disgusting of you to group everyone with a face tattoo as an ex convict.

Well sorry , but that’s my choice isn’t it ?

There certainly was a time as I grew up where this was the case . And many of my generation would think the same way .

I certainly don’t think it’s disgusting or naive . Judgmental , yes perhaps , but the person displaying the tattoo gives those who see it no choice other than to see it , and judge as they will .

Suppose it’s like me saying everyone with black curly hair looks like a 80’s sex worker.

Hi should be outside a dockyard being fucked by tattooed sailors.

Maybe that’s why you don’t like tattoos.

Well your generation hasn’t got long left. The generation that is coming up is making the rules now.

I think you are seeing face and neck tattoos as the old style prison tattoos. Am I right in thinking that?

Face tattoos are much more than that now they are pieces of art that show dedication, commitment and skill of the artist. Do you realise how much work goes into them?

Yes I do . I have both upper arms heavily tattooed from the elbow up to the shoulder . Took over six hours to do each .

But they are only visible if I wear nothing or a vest as they are for my benefit and no one else’s .

If I wanted to shove two fingers up at society would have had my face done , but that’s not what I want .

I’m fully aware that face tattoos no longer represent the fact that the owner has served time , but that’s not the point here . The question is whether those who have face tattoos should get benefits when they find themselves unemployable as they are self inflicted reasons to become so .

I would say the answer to this is that those who can’t get the job they want , should work somewhere that is happy to employ them and make the sacrifice as they created the issue . Society isn’t ready for it yet , and yes my generation is dying out , and your generation is making the rules now . But while we oldies still employ the next generation , we will still have our rules , so the next generation may have to wait a while before expecting us to employ them when we feel they won’t be representing us and our businesses in the way we want them to .

I agree fully if you loose your job cos you broke company rules for whatever reason it’s your own fault. Face tattoos, drugs whatever. We all sign a contract of employment we all know the consequences.

My point is that a tattoo does not affect your ability to carry out a job. I don’t understand what the stigma with tattoos is still. We have been tattooing each other for centuries now some good and some very bad reasons why we have tattoos.

It’s becoming the norm to see art work on people now I honestly don’t understand the stigma around it still. "

I remember in the late 80's and 90's a lot of job description saying no visible tattoos, with it being the norm I can see it happening again.

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester


"

I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway...

Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world."

Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons.

Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces!

The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces.

Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best.

Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces.

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By *rwhite30Man
over a year ago

deptford London

I have my neck and hands tattooed and work for a good company, i go to meeting with clients all the time and most of the time i get compliments on them, but if i were to lose or want to change job i would be worried, and to be honest because of this i regret my hand tats

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a mate who us fully inked, head, face, neck body etc.

He looks pretty fearsome to be sure, truth is he's one of the nicest, kindest people you could ever wish to meet.

However, to those who don't know him the tatts do create a barrier when they first see or meet him.

Think the Illustrated Man from Ray Bradbury's Something Wicked This Way Comes.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk


"

I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway...

Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world.

Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons.

Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces!

The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces.

Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best.

Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces.

"

Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face.

Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon.

If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle.

The Navy have had beards since the beginning.

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester


"

I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway...

Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world.

Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons.

Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces!

The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces.

Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best.

Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces.

Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face.

Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon.

If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle.

The Navy have had beards since the beginning. "

Indeed but soon pretty much all of the forces will be allowed them. Limited length of course but the new respirator is much better.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk


"

I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway...

Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world.

Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons.

Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces!

The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces.

Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best.

Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces.

Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face.

Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon.

If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle.

The Navy have had beards since the beginning.

Indeed but soon pretty much all of the forces will be allowed them. Limited length of course but the new respirator is much better. "

Totally agree. I left the forces in 2008 when the changes were starting to happen. My eldest son is now serving and couldn't believe he came home with brown boots lol.

I do hope the kit is better as before we resorted to buying American or German kit as it for far superior to the stuff we were issued back in the day.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York


"

I have no idea why the army would implement such a policy. Other countries have warriors that celebrate decorating themselves. Some of their traditions include scarification. They're seen as not civil though, as if war is civil anyway...

Because the British army doesn't want it's soldiers looking frightening or thuggish with face tattoos, that may sound judgemental but when soldiers are deployed on humanitarian and peacekeeping operations abroad more often than war fighting then they don't want to intimidate the already frightened civilians they are trying to help. Plus it looks scruffy and doesn't fit with the smart and uniform image of the army which represents the UK all over the world.

Exactly this. Imagine watching the changing of the guard and the row of neatly uniformed soldiers and in the middle is one with a flower tattooed on their cheek or a football club name across their neck. It is a uniformed service with less restrictions than many other countries but some stay for practical reasons.

Note that I chose nicer tattoo ideas than many put on their faces!

The forces allow people in regardless of gender including trans people, regardless of race and colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation etc which beats the hell out of many other countries forces.

Obviously some disabled people can't join because parachuting out of a C130 into a combat zone in a wheelchair is impractical at best.

Beards will be allowed soon unfortunately, but I hope face tattoos don't make it into the forces.

Beards are allowed. In the Army the Pioneers or regimental Pipe Bands were exempt from shaving as it was tradition that they had beards. The only reason they don't allow it for most is because of the chemical warfare threat which respirators have to be worn. If you have a beard the standard issue respirator won't seal on your face.

Queens regulations actually state if you have a beard or ponytail the beard is to be kept clean and groomed and ponytails have to be dipped in tar and tied back with ribbon.

If you look at the current Scottish regiments the tails on the back of the Glengarry were traditionally for tying into the ponytail of the soldier so he wouldn't loose it in battle.

The Navy have had beards since the beginning.

Indeed but soon pretty much all of the forces will be allowed them. Limited length of course but the new respirator is much better.

Totally agree. I left the forces in 2008 when the changes were starting to happen. My eldest son is now serving and couldn't believe he came home with brown boots lol.

I do hope the kit is better as before we resorted to buying American or German kit as it for far superior to the stuff we were issued back in the day. "

My webbing and daysack are my own as the issue stuff isn't great, but the smocks, softy jackets, virtus helmets etc are decent kit, and MTP pattern combats are very effective in most environments. The brown boots are pretty decent as well once worn in, some people go for Altbergs but I don't mind the Haix ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of the biggest bellends we have come across have NO tatts and hold down high profile jobs. There are good and bad in all types and religions. I have many tatts but non lower then my elbow and i'm a company MD.

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By *ortobello SionnachWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

Why on earth would anyone get a face tattoo in the first place though I am sure there are some positions they can fill work wise out there.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

For those on benefits ... im led to believe tattoos are very expensive .... so how do you fund your artwork ..

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