FabSwingers.com forum: TV - this may ruffle some feathers...

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of them are horrific x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of them are horrific x"
Ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love looking at tv/cd but hpw not for me ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I agree, how dare they. Same as women that don't have sex pics for men to wank over.

If they say they're tv or women, they should have full make up and posh lingerie and their genitals on show. It's such a waste of time for the poor men.

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By *rwhite30Man
over a year ago

deptford London

some id like to shake hands and say wow you have done an amazing job!

the hairy ones get off on wearing the cloths not trying to look like a woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

Gender and sexuality are two different things. As is biological sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Car crash inbound...if you aren't looking for TVs I don't see why it matters what their pictures look like to you, if it makes them happy then good for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah I agree, how dare they. Same as women that don't have sex pics for men to wank over.

If they say they're tv or women, they should have full make up and posh lingerie and their genitals on show. It's such a waste of time for the poor men."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Straight men seem to be the main consumers of sex with TV on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Straight men seem to be the main consumers of sex with TV on here."
I don't even have a TV

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"Straight men seem to be the main consumers of sex with TV on here.I don't even have a TV"

Never heard that joke before

As to op, why is it any of your business, if it makes them happy then that's all that matters. Just don't meet them....

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

To be fair, the TV/TS label encompasses a very wide range of individuals.

At one end, the individual who likes slipping on a pair of knickers and tights for fetishistic sex.

To the individual at the other who has gone through quite a trauma to live their life with gender and body in harmony.

Everyone does what they think is right for them.

For some it is very important to give the appearance of their acquired gender; for others it is not important at all.

Ultimately, this site is about sex. It is not a beauty parade.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"Yeah I agree, how dare they. Same as women that don't have sex pics for men to wank over.

If they say they're tv or women, they should have full make up and posh lingerie and their genitals on show. It's such a waste of time for the poor men."

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and you know what.

if they are happy with the profile and pics and successful and not need to post in the forums "why arent i getting meets" blah blah

good for them

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By *anetandNickCouple
over a year ago

Ross-on-Wye

OK there is a simple explanation for this.

On Fab there is only one choice - "TV/TS".

But in real life there's a whole spectrum, ranging from an ordinary bloke who just likes wearing girls' knickers, to full "post-op" transsexuals.

And there's a whole range of sexual preferences, from str8 to gay to "guy who would love to be a lesbian" to "depends on what I'm wearing".

I think it's all rather fun really, life would be very dull if we were all the same.

Janet xxxxxx

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By *amanthajonestsTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one. "

Since you asked for an explanation, I'll try to keep it simple. Seems to work best for the folk who post these sort of burning questions.

transvestite

noun

a person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex.

Absolutely nothing to do with how successfully the appearance of the opposite sex is conveyed. Fab continues to make the distinction more difficult for some people by categorising TV and TS as somehow being the same. They aren't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Live and let Live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it’s because there isn’t a ‘cross dresser’ option on here, that might be more appropriate for some of the people you describe, but they’re unable to select it as a choice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is why I never trust men who feel the need to say they are respectful and educated in their profile or messages

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By *xkritTV/TS
over a year ago

High Wycombe (ish)

"I think it’s because there isn’t a ‘cross dresser’ option on here, that might be more appropriate for some of the people you describe, but they’re unable to select it as a choice? "

Agree (as someone at the hairier than I'd like to be but dress fully end of the spectrum). But as others have said, there are plenty men, women, cd, TV, tg.... [Continue inserting labels] that have profiles that are great (either by picture, words or both) and there are plenty that don't make any effort at all.

Does it bother me? No. I just moved on and find someone I'm more drawn to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Straight men seem to be the main consumers of sex with TV on here.I don't even have a TV

Never heard that joke before

As to op, why is it any of your business, if it makes them happy then that's all that matters. Just don't meet them...."
really but in my case it's a fact I don't have one

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go."

I'd call them men who like wearing panties. Cross dresser to me equates to transvestite, which covers a very wide spectrum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go."

Not all CD'S are hairy.I'm CD but I'm definitely not a hairy panty wearer.i shave my full body I wear makeup and dress as a woman,but I'm not a transvestite because I don't live like that 24/7.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

Isn't there just one response to all of that post? Don't call me Shirley.

Also, none of your business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go.

Not all CD'S are hairy.I'm CD but I'm definitely not a hairy panty wearer.i shave my full body I wear makeup and dress as a woman,but I'm not a transvestite because I don't live like that 24/7."

That's a new one

I never heard before that TV means 24/7.

These labels are so naff lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

Isn't there just one response to all of that post? Don't call me Shirley.

Also, none of your business."
he meant surly

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

"Some of them are horrific x"
lol

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By *agermeisterMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement...

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

So it is a judgement then?

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By *olden_Road_to_SamarkandMan
over a year ago

Andover

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

You can't help but admire the hard work that has gone into so many photos - and yes - many look very convincing. But lordy - some are them look like intentionally bad efforts - big hairy guys in frocks with beards and everything! Takes all sorts I guess.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement...

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

So it is a judgement then?"
yes they named a film after it.......... Judgement orgasm........... Oh crap that's another thread.... Sorry

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

That's exactly why we need different categories, as some make an effort and some clearly don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go.

Not all CD'S are hairy.I'm CD but I'm definitely not a hairy panty wearer.i shave my full body I wear makeup and dress as a woman,but I'm not a transvestite because I don't live like that 24/7.

That's a new one

I never heard before that TV means 24/7.

These labels are so naff lol. "

Doesn't TV/transvestite mean a man who chooses to live as a woman all the time(24/7)?? Where a CD/crossdresser just dresses occasionally?? That's why i don't class myself as TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

Well I think it's all done in the "best possible taste" (crosses legs in mid air)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

Well I think it's all done in the "best possible taste" (crosses legs in mid air)

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Kenny Everett God now theirs a name from the bearded cross dressing past

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By *hedireCouple
over a year ago

wigan

Ah love the Kenny Everett reference.

Back to the plot there's a local to us profile listed as a TV TS but the headline says "I don't dress up " so basically a straight single male.

Someone I met as a former couple on here was a guy who said he dressed up just to get meets. Wasn't bi or a CD.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

Maybe he is a cross dresser. Sexual orientation differs amongst CDs, TS and TVs - so your point re bi/gay is moot.

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By *rwhite30Man
over a year ago

deptford London

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

Maybe he is a cross dresser. Sexual orientation differs amongst CDs, TS and TVs - so your point re bi/gay is moot."

i agree!!!!!

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

There will always be some that make more or less effort but i do think there should be a different category or at least the categories should be policed a bit.

If you have nothing but male pics with no attempt to dress up and even be a basic cd your profile should be male.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go.

Not all CD'S are hairy.I'm CD but I'm definitely not a hairy panty wearer.i shave my full body I wear makeup and dress as a woman,but I'm not a transvestite because I don't live like that 24/7.

That's a new one

I never heard before that TV means 24/7.

These labels are so naff lol.

Doesn't TV/transvestite mean a man who chooses to live as a woman all the time(24/7)?? Where a CD/crossdresser just dresses occasionally?? That's why i don't class myself as TV."

Technically no, it just means someone who likes to dress as the opposite sex. The word is from Latin and literally means "cross dresser". The medical/psychological definition talks about compulsion.

I can't see any point policing these words and labels though, there's no substitute for just having a conversation about it.

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Isn’t it up to how the Fabster manages his profile, what pics to use etc if it’s within site rules.

Just pass by the profile if you don’t like it

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By *airyfatmanMan
over a year ago

by 'ere

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Since you asked for an explanation, I'll try to keep it simple. Seems to work best for the folk who post these sort of burning questions.

transvestite

noun

a person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex.

Exactly what I was thinking. TV stands for transvestite - someone who likes to wear clothes of the opposite gender, like Eddie Izzard for example. Not at all feminine. Not even bi or gay as far as I know (but could be wrong)

TS is a transsexual - someone who identifies as being the opposite sex and tries to live there life as such. They would be the ones who would tend to be more “convincing” although that’s not a great term to use.

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield

It’s different for every TV how they dress what they wear and whether to make up or not. It’s a very individual kink so to say. As regards to sexuality. I am probably correct in saying that many TV’s are bi sexual. Myself I prefer the company of women or couples. Not single men. That’s my choice. I used to meet guys but it really wasn’t my thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Since you asked for an explanation, I'll try to keep it simple. Seems to work best for the folk who post these sort of burning questions.

transvestite

noun

a person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex.

I disagree that convincing or otherwise comes into it at all. I know tv's who totally "pass" but are very content with their male gender, and conversely there are genetic males who identify as female but (without wishing to sound like I'm putting anyone down) still look biologically male.

Straight/bi/gay, whatever, similarly has nothing to do with it. Sexuality is an entirely different axis.

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By *airyfatmanMan
over a year ago

by 'ere

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Since you asked for an explanation, I'll try to keep it simple. Seems to work best for the folk who post these sort of burning questions.

transvestite

noun

a person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex.

Straight/bi/gay, whatever, similarly has nothing to do with it. Sexuality is an entirely different axis. "

Yeah I completely get you. That’s why I put “tend to be” as I know exactly what you mean. End of the day, we are all human and that’s the only real label any of us should have

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

Some people claim on their profiles to be "a respectful man".

This is an example of not doing that.

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By *xkritTV/TS
over a year ago

High Wycombe (ish)

"There will always be some that make more or less effort but i do think there should be a different category or at least the categories should be policed a bit.

If you have nothing but male pics with no attempt to dress up and even be a basic cd your profile should be male. "

I wish people casting these types of assertions would make an effort

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Ohh, wait - would appear you have and you're incredibly sexy!! Carry on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

Some people claim on their profiles to be "a respectful man".

This is an example of not doing that."

Hahaha good observation!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"he meant surly "

One of the dwarves at Duff land

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I completely get you. That’s why I put “tend to be” as I know exactly what you mean. End of the day, we are all human and that’s the only real label any of us should have "

Absolutely. These terms are so subjective and self-assigned that the variety is endless.

I know some people are offended by TV/TS being lumped together here, but I can't say it bothers me. In fact I could say it's refreshing that I don't have to think about exactly what category I fit into. Other sites have loads of options, but it doesn't help really imho. The common denominator is wearing female attire to whatever degree, but having male genitalia. Anything else people wish to know or understand, then there is conversation : )

I read somewhere the other day that even the term "transsexual" is now seen by some as offensive, as it apparently suggests that it's all about sex and sexuality, even though it's obvious to me that in this context sex=gender.

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By *airyfatmanMan
over a year ago

by 'ere

Yeah I completely get you. That’s why I put “tend to be” as I know exactly what you mean. End of the day, we are all human and that’s the only real label any of us should have

Absolutely. These terms are so subjective and self-assigned that the variety is endless.

Never going to please everyone and what some people are offended by others are fine with. These things will never change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

To be fair, the TV/TS label encompasses a very wide range of individuals.

At one end, the individual who likes slipping on a pair of knickers and tights for fetishistic sex.

To the individual at the other who has gone through quite a trauma to live their life with gender and body in harmony.

Everyone does what they think is right for them.

For some it is very important to give the appearance of their acquired gender; for others it is not important at all.

Ultimately, this site is about sex. It is not a beauty parade."

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

Why let it bother you?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I like transexual because I understand what it means - some who is, or has gone through the chemical and surgical transformation.

The ubiquitous transgender is pretty nebulous. It covers a spectrum so wide as to be meaningless, and opens the door to the “cock in a frock” arguments being played out daily in the media.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

Let's put this in perspective, guys would you like to labelled gay but your not, ladies would you mind being labelled BBW but your not. So please think about in context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like transexual because I understand what it means - some who is, or has gone through the chemical and surgical transformation.

The ubiquitous transgender is pretty nebulous. It covers a spectrum so wide as to be meaningless, and opens the door to the “cock in a frock” arguments being played out daily in the media."

Fair point, although avoiding a term because some idiots choose to make a target of it, smacks to me too much of caving in and hiding. I would call myself transgender, in the sense of male gender being a psychological/social construct that I don't identify with.

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By *horecruxCouple
over a year ago

SE4

Slow down with that privilege buddy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No matter which category you look at, there will be some profiles that appeal to you and some which don't.

No need to complain about anyone not making enough effort (in your opinion) when you always have the option of just moving on to the next one that is up to your high standards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of them are horrific x"

How rude. We are all individuals. Look different. Act different. Not everyone appeals to everyone

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

The reason the term transgender does not resonate with me so well as transexual is nothing to do with any abuse.

It is because it is ill-defined. What does it mean? Anything and everything on the gender spectrum.

Such as the object of this post, bracketed tv/ts., through to Andrea Pejic, and everything in between. Big difference twixt the opposite ends.

That’s why I preferred terms like transexual, transvestite, cross dresser etc - I had a reasonable grasp of what each word meant.

Transgender feels like a mangling of language.

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By *itguy21066Man
over a year ago

leicester

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to

dress as a woman/look like one.

Yep totally agree! Tvs who wax look so much sexier, the hairy ones just look wrong! Just our opinion

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

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By *itguy21066Man
over a year ago

leicester

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to

Yep totally agree! Tvs who wax look so much sexier, the hairy ones just look wrong! Just our opinion

dress as a woman/look like one.

Yep totally agree! Tvs who wax look so much sexier, the hairy ones just look wrong! Just our opinion

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

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over a year ago

"The reason the term transgender does not resonate with me so well as transexual is nothing to do with any abuse.

It is because it is ill-defined. What does it mean? Anything and everything on the gender spectrum.

Such as the object of this post, bracketed tv/ts., through to Andrea Pejic, and everything in between. Big difference twixt the opposite ends.

That’s why I preferred terms like transexual, transvestite, cross dresser etc - I had a reasonable grasp of what each word meant.

Transgender feels like a mangling of language."

Genderqueer is ok, maybe I'd choose that except that so very few people identify wholly and exclusively with one gender or the other that it sounds to me like it also covers pretty much 99% of the spectrum.

I think I like tgirl best as it's more explicitly feminine and describes my life quite well, but then it still doesn't tell the whole story. Dunno. It's a fascinating topic but I gave up looking for answers really : )

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over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to

dress as a woman/look like one.

Yep totally agree! Tvs who wax look so much sexier, the hairy ones just look wrong! Just our opinion

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

It's all very well to say 'If you're gonna do something,do it properly ' but,maybe some peoples definition of 'doing it properly' is different from yours.

Each to their own,I say. Live and let live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is why I never trust men who feel the need to say they are respectful and educated in their profile or messages"

Omg same.

They never usually are.

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By *itguy21066Man
over a year ago

leicester

In our opinion TVs should allways be totally smooth so much sexier, hairy ones just look wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs N has got bored of swinging, dressing up in stockings, high heels and boots and stuff so I feel it is my civic duty to do it now and again

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"In our opinion TVs should allways be totally smooth so much sexier, hairy ones just look wrong"

The difference between a transvestite and someone who just crossdresses

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over a year ago

"Mrs N has got bored of swinging, dressing up in stockings, high heels and boots and stuff so I feel it is my civic duty to do it now and again

Well I do hope you shave and wax all over!

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By *ucyfur77Woman
over a year ago

Pleasuretown

"This is why I never trust men who feel the need to say they are respectful and educated in their profile or messages

Omg same.

They never usually are. "

Sad but true

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

it could mean that someone stole all the girlie clothes they had out of the shed where they'd hidden them from the wife.. or they are awaiting an arrival of clothes from ebay.. but op i know what you mean.. over the years I've had messages from such types wanting to meet... despite me stating i only meet those that dress fully..and generally i do tell them... you need to get some clothes.. generally they never reply.. if they do..they sometimes ask if i can lend them some... NO... where on my profile does it state.. Robyn graves trannieclothes lending emporium....

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

I do find it strange and interesting that I can't remember a woman on here pretending to be a man in a serious way, I wonder why it always seems to be men dressing as women, just posing the question??

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

"I do find it strange and interesting that I can't remember a woman on here pretending to be a man in a serious way, I wonder why it always seems to be men dressing as women, just posing the question?? "

In simple terms, female underwear and outfits are much more fun....

Also there are lots more men on here... A lot more men lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of people would not like "pretending to be" as a description, but it is an interesting question. It reflects the outside world, in that f2m tg and tv are more rare than m2f, but seems much more evident here. In 6+ years on Fab I've only seen one transman here and no f2m transvestites, whereas I know a few in the outside world.

One theory is that culturally it's just less of an issue if a genetic woman dresses in male attire or has unusually male personality traits, and so there is less need to self-label or make an identity out of it. Perhaps there are many women here who enjoy a traditionally more masculine role in sex and even dressing so, but with our culture being what it is they feel no need to explicitly label themselves as tv or ts. Such a female is less likely to have her sexuality or gender identity questioned by people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In simple terms, female underwear and outfits are much more fun....

Also there are lots more men on here... A lot more men lol"

That too. Very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

I’ve queried this with guys who’ve messaged me before. Several times I’ve been told they don’t dress up. They are looking for TVs just clicked the wrong boxes on sign up.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "
my stance has,always been .if you do this do it right... no half measures for me

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

Some pretend and some live it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I read somewhere Rufus Wainwright, a singer, describing himself as transgender gay male. I thought that was about as good as it gets.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"In our opinion TVs should allways be totally smooth so much sexier, hairy ones we're not attracted to"

fixed it for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read somewhere Rufus Wainwright, a singer, describing himself as transgender gay male. I thought that was about as good as it gets.

Eddie Izzard described himself as a lesbian trapped in a man's body

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

I know lots of TVs. Men dressing up for the fun of it.

I actually know more trans guys than girls though.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!

"In our opinion TVs should allways be totally smooth so much sexier, hairy ones just look wrong"

Do you also have a problem with hirsute women?

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

"Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go.

Not all CD'S are hairy.I'm CD but I'm definitely not a hairy panty wearer.i shave my full body I wear makeup and dress as a woman,but I'm not a transvestite because I don't live like that 24/7.

That's a new one

I never heard before that TV means 24/7.

These labels are so naff lol.

Doesn't TV/transvestite mean a man who chooses to live as a woman all the time(24/7)?? Where a CD/crossdresser just dresses occasionally?? That's why i don't class myself as TV.

Technically no, it just means someone who likes to dress as the opposite sex. The word is from Latin and literally means "cross dresser". The medical/psychological definition talks about compulsion.

I can't see any point policing these words and labels though, there's no substitute for just having a conversation about it. "

I was being glib but yes, labels are utterly ridiculous but here are my vague definitions (regarding those I know in my community)

Cross Dresser - Occasional dresser, usually dresses for sexual kicks, not interested in full femme, frequently fuzzy

Drag queen - Cross dressing purely for entertainment purposes

Transvestite - Doesn't dress 24/7 but makes a considerable effort when dressing. Typically smooth

Transgender - Someone living their chosen gender identity at all times regardless of hormones or body modifications. Some keep their gentials, some don't. Some have a complete transition, some don't

One day nobody will care about definitions. We'll all just be a bunch of arseholes

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

If anyone really believes that a person would go through all the hassle and heartache (and expense) of transitioning just so they could wear nicer clothes then they have totally misunderstood what it is all about.

Anyways, the op was not really on about that.It was more a complaint about some T Vs not making enough of an effort to satisfy his cravings. The obvious answer to that is 'go look for another TV then'...leave the ones with hairy legs in peace, they're happy as they are.

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

You need to lighten up...it was a tongue in cheek remark ffs

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

This

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

You need to lighten up...it was a tongue in cheek remark ffs

What's up with you? I was speaking up for hairy legged tv's.

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

You need to lighten up...it was a tongue in cheek remark ffs

What's up with you? I was speaking up for hairy legged tv's."

Yeah that's OK but I don't want a handbag fight so try to refrain from quoting me eh..

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

You need to lighten up...it was a tongue in cheek remark ffs

What's up with you? I was speaking up for hairy legged tv's.

Yeah that's OK but I don't want a handbag fight so try to refrain from quoting me eh.."

But it’s so hard not to when you make such eloquent posts

Lol. Hoping to catch up with you at a social soon x

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over a year ago

"From memory, the stats about people transitioning are something like 80/90 per cent MtF and 10/20 per cent FtM.

It's a mixed up world.

That cos women have all the best clothes

You need to lighten up...it was a tongue in cheek remark ffs

What's up with you? I was speaking up for hairy legged tv's.

Yeah that's OK but I don't want a handbag fight so try to refrain from quoting me eh..

But it’s so hard not to when you make such eloquent posts

Lol. Hoping to catch up with you at a social soon x"

I'll be there...just not sure which one of me it will be

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By *eanne n AliCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Being a couple where male half is a TV we therefor look for other TV's for fun. We never judge anyone but we are not in anyway looking to meet anyone who says they are a TV but looks like a bloke in a pair of panties and stockings etc. That's just not for us. We love the female form and appreciate TV's who make an effort to look feminine.

Each to their own though as everyone is different and why not do what makes them happy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know lots of TVs. Men dressing up for the fun of it.

I actually know more trans guys than girls though. "
Ha I'm sure you do, hey try not to drop yer phone

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By *oanne_MacTV/TS
over a year ago

Perth

I was being glib but yes, labels are utterly ridiculous but here are my vague definitions (regarding those I know in my community)

Cross Dresser - Occasional dresser, usually dresses for sexual kicks, not interested in full femme, frequently fuzzy

Drag queen - Cross dressing purely for entertainment purposes

Transvestite - Doesn't dress 24/7 but makes a considerable effort when dressing. Typically smooth

Transgender - Someone living their chosen gender identity at all times regardless of hormones or body modifications. Some keep their gentials, some don't. Some have a complete transition, some don't

One day nobody will care about definitions. We'll all just be a bunch of arseholes

Pretty damn close

except transgender covers anyone who experiences gender dysphoria, its not a sexual thing. But doesnt necessarily mean living it 24/7 or transition...Thats TS..

Theres many TG, Myself included who live their life somewhere on the scale between TV and TS (another category not listed) most in that position call themselves Tgirls....

PS im not singling you out by quoting, just thought your descriptions were the closest postedand wanted to add m y tuppence worth x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And it’s quite upsetting the amount of abuse I sometimes get from men on here who don’t like how I look.

Some have messaged me with.

‘Builder in a dress”.

“You look ridiculous, man up”

If they don’t like the way I look, block me and move on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And it’s quite upsetting the amount of abuse I sometimes get from men on here who don’t like how I look.

Some have messaged me with.

‘Builder in a dress”.

“You look ridiculous, man up”

If they don’t like the way I look, block me and move on

Who knows why they go to the effort of actually mailing you to say that. They don't know you so don't worry about it.

I think you look great.

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over a year ago

Who knows why they go to the effort of actually mailing you to say that. They don't know you so don't worry about it.

I think you look great.

Thanks Steele xxxxx

I have nearly left a few times due to the abuse. But adore the sex when I am femmed up

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over a year ago

"Hairy panty wearers are CD, cross dressers. But Fab doesn't have an option for that. So there you go.

Hairy or hairless , we are all the same

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over a year ago

Who knows why they go to the effort of actually mailing you to say that. They don't know you so don't worry about it.

I think you look great.

Thanks Steele xxxxx

I have nearly left a few times due to the abuse. But adore the sex when I am femmed up "

Always report abusive messages.

I see any abuse as a positive- it shows what kind of people they are and I'm thankful that I won't be meeting them. They don't know me so whatever they say doesn't really matter to me. They are entitled to their opinion.

Also I think the most abusive ones are just revealing how upset they are that they can't fuck us - the worse the abuse, the bigger the compliment.

Hope that helps a bit. xx

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

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I think it is pretty obvious that the site needs clearer distinctions other than lumping everyone under the TV heading.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Who knows why they go to the effort of actually mailing you to say that. They don't know you so don't worry about it.

I think you look great.

Thanks Steele xxxxx

I have nearly left a few times due to the abuse. But adore the sex when I am femmed up

Always report abusive messages.

Also I think the most abusive ones are just revealing how upset they are that they can't fuck us - the worse the abuse, the bigger the compliment.

Hope that helps a bit. xx"

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By *hloevtTV/TS
over a year ago

norwich

Each to their own ! .

Personally I truly enjoy a TV that has made an effort and O MY GOSH some look amazing.

I can spend hours getting myself prepared and it feels so good when I'm in full girl mode.

I agree with everyone's comments that the spectrum is to great to put under one TV heading.

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By *xkritTV/TS
over a year ago

High Wycombe (ish)

Who knows why they go to the effort of actually mailing you to say that. They don't know you so don't worry about it.

I think you look great.

Thanks Steele xxxxx

I have nearly left a few times due to the abuse. But adore the sex when I am femmed up "

And I can say from personal experience, very glad you didn't leave and did't assume everyone is being a test!!

Trust me - you look great!!

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By *ovingittwoCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Got to take a look now!

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"And it’s quite upsetting the amount of abuse I sometimes get from men on here who don’t like how I look.

Some have messaged me with.

‘Builder in a dress”.

“You look ridiculous, man up”

If they don’t like the way I look, block me and move on

Unfortunately there's a minority on here that feel the need to go out of their way to message abuse. I've been told I need psychiatric help, I'm disgusting, I should kill myself, etc, etc.

I just go with the thought process that these are all closet jobs and don't know how to express themselves so they just get angry and lash out

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over a year ago

What does it really matter? If they are not for you then you have a choice to ruins someone’s day or just move on. I love the fact that everyone’s different. Makes for a colourful world.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"And it’s quite upsetting the amount of abuse I sometimes get from men on here who don’t like how I look.

Some have messaged me with.

‘Builder in a dress”.

“You look ridiculous, man up”

If they don’t like the way I look, block me and move on

Unfortunately there's a minority on here that feel the need to go out of their way to message abuse. I've been told I need psychiatric help, I'm disgusting, I should kill myself, etc, etc.

I just go with the thought process that these are all closet jobs and don't know how to express themselves so they just get angry and lash out "

Bloody hell, that's disgusting. I hope you report these scum.

There are a minority of some very homophobic people on this site.

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over a year ago

"What does it really matter? If they are not for you then you have a choice to ruins someone’s day or just move on. I love the fact that everyone’s different. Makes for a colourful world. "

Quite so. Extinguishing someone else's candle doesn't make your own burn any brighter

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By *airyfatmanMan
over a year ago

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"And it’s quite upsetting the amount of abuse I sometimes get from men on here who don’t like how I look.

Some have messaged me with.

‘Builder in a dress”.

“You look ridiculous, man up”

If they don’t like the way I look, block me and move on

Unfortunately there's a minority on here that feel the need to go out of their way to message abuse. I've been told I need psychiatric help, I'm disgusting, I should kill myself, etc, etc.

I just go with the thought process that these are all closet jobs and don't know how to express themselves so they just get angry and lash out "

Ive always said that the more homophobic somebody seems to be, the more they are trying to hide something and the more likely they are to be closet gay/bi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of the time, trannys claiming they are victimized and abused on fabswingers are simply attention seekers and its always at some poor buggers expense

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

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"Most of the time, trannys claiming they are victimized and abused on fabswingers are simply attention seekers and its always at some poor buggers expense"

I guess you have issues are unresolved in your life.

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over a year ago

"and you know what.

if they are happy with the profile and pics and successful and not need to post in the forums "why arent i getting meets" blah blah

good for them

I really couldn't give a shiny shite what folk put on their profile. If they're happy with it then good for them.

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By *oanne_MacTV/TS
over a year ago

Perth

"Most of the time, trannys claiming they are victimized and abused on fabswingers are simply attention seekers and its always at some poor buggers expense

I guess you have issues are unresolved in your life."

don't respond to the troll is my advice, a poor troll because the posts are too obvious, but replies and attention is what they seek. deny it via ignoring

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over a year ago

"Most of the time, trannys claiming they are victimized and abused on fabswingers are simply attention seekers and its always at some poor buggers expense

I guess you have issues are unresolved in your life."

Thank you Gabbyriel,have a nice wig you can have

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over a year ago

"Most of the time, trannys claiming they are victimized and abused on fabswingers are simply attention seekers and its always at some poor buggers expense

I guess you have issues are unresolved in your life.

don't respond to the troll is my advice, a poor troll because the posts are too obvious, but replies and attention is what they seek. deny it via ignoring

Well your responding with Trollery, as said to the other chap, have a nice wig you can have if you want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like to think im one of the better ones

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By *amanthajonestsTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Most of the time, trannys claiming they are victimized and abused on fabswingers are simply attention seekers and its always at some poor buggers expense

I guess you have issues are unresolved in your life.

don't respond to the troll is my advice, a poor troll because the posts are too obvious, but replies and attention is what they seek. deny it via ignoring

Well your responding with Trollery, as said to the other chap, have a nice wig you can have if you want"

Was personally delighted when your previous profile closed a couple of weeks back. Sorry to see you are back to continue in the same vein as before. There is enough lies, ignorance and misinformation around trans issues without your personality disorder driven input. Do everyone a favour and Shhhhhhhh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people are giving away wigs, I'll have them.

I'm not proud

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

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"If people are giving away wigs, I'll have them.

I'm not proud

there maybe a catch though.. you might have to wash the spunk out of them first..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

like dressing rarely just for sex , some men love it , and I get great sex , only send tv pics to likely meets

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By *eannaTV/TS
over a year ago

Cwmfelifach, nr Newport

I think they should have a tab for Crossdressers, the tabs at the moment are either Gay or TV/TS.

I try to look as fem as possible but I'm not convincing although I am hairless and with that I would be a Crossdresser.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Yeah I agree, how dare they. Same as women that don't have sex pics for men to wank over.

If they say they're tv or women, they should have full make up and posh lingerie and their genitals on show. It's such a waste of time for the poor men."

I know...fucking timewasters the lot of them!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that.

To be fair, the TV/TS label encompasses a very wide range of individuals.

At one end, the individual who likes slipping on a pair of knickers and tights for fetishistic sex.

To the individual at the other who has gone through quite a trauma to live their life with gender and body in harmony.

Everyone does what they think is right for them.

For some it is very important to give the appearance of their acquired gender; for others it is not important at all.

Ultimately, this site is about sex. It is not a beauty parade."

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By *irtysexyclassyCouple
over a year ago

ashby

"Car crash inbound...if you aren't looking for TVs I don't see why it matters what their pictures look like to you, if it makes them happy then good for them."

Well YOUR pics have just made us happy so I just want to thank you! X

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By *eannaTV/TS
over a year ago

Cwmfelifach, nr Newport

Thank you so much that has made me feel better, I'm still working on the makeup and to be honest I admire on how quick women can transform, it's advanced artwork to me.

Teanna x

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

"I think they should have a tab for Crossdressers, the tabs at the moment are either Gay or TV/TS.

I try to look as fem as possible but I'm not convincing although I am hairless and with that I would be a Crossdresser. "

i always see a crossdresser as someone that doesn't have to do to much work.. you can have a beard and be a cross dresser.. when you start wearing wigs.. make up.. etc i think you go up to trannie status whether you look convincing or not..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And it’s quite upsetting the amount of abuse I sometimes get from men on here who don’t like how I look. "

I was going to send you some abusive messages but couldn't get the hang of typing with one hand

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By *orra11Man
over a year ago

Manchester & Central London

Quite agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they should have a tab for Crossdressers, the tabs at the moment are either Gay or TV/TS.

I try to look as fem as possible but I'm not convincing although I am hairless and with that I would be a Crossdresser.

Some one mentioned a beard

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

"Most of the time, trannys claiming they are victimized and abused on fabswingers are simply attention seekers and its always at some poor buggers expense

I guess you have issues are unresolved in your life.

Thank you Gabbyriel,have a nice wig you can have"

Lovely, have they got H M prison stamped on them.

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By *ophiaCDTV/TS
over a year ago

St Asaph

Why not have sub groups? For the TV/TS community. If people are so concerned. I personally love to dress when ever I can. The whole smooth body, makeup, sexy lingerie, clothes, heels etc is a way I can express my feeling of sexuality. My day time life is straight bu my alter ego is as a woman with that little bit extra. If I upset people then that is their problem. I don’t go out of my way to upset people by pervading my self out in public places as I now some people just don’t get my life style

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And it’s quite upsetting the amount of abuse I sometimes get from men on here who don’t like how I look.

Some have messaged me with.

‘Builder in a dress”.

“You look ridiculous, man up”

If they don’t like the way I look, block me and move on

I have had quite a few who ask to meet (amazing in itself) who then respond with a string of insults.

There probably should be a division between TV and TS (although the latter should probably be just labelled female). Not sure it would help, those who have watched too much ladyboy porn are probably going to be disappointed.

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

fact is a lot of tvs are infact builders in dresses...i know a few and they scrub up pretty well..

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By *ammy and MiaCouple
over a year ago

Dudley

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fact is a lot of tvs are infact builders in dresses...i know a few and they scrub up pretty well.. "

The only tv builder I know is stunning, although she tends to wear short skirts rather than dresses.

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By *oney_Bee_xTV/TS
over a year ago

Teesside

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

I usually block these types of profiles lol.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"fact is a lot of tvs are infact builders in dresses...i know a few and they scrub up pretty well..

The only tv builder I know is stunning, although she tends to wear short skirts rather than dresses."

I think I know that builder

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"fact is a lot of tvs are infact builders in dresses...i know a few and they scrub up pretty well..

The only tv builder I know is stunning, although she tends to wear short skirts rather than dresses."

I'm not a builder but I am a tradesman, I like to think I scrub up alright

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

It matters not what job you do, I am sure everyone has a life outside of fab.

Doesn't change the fact that manners cost nothing and abuse and trolls should not be tolerated on here or anywhere else.

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By *airyfatmanMan
over a year ago

by 'ere

"fact is a lot of tvs are infact builders in dresses...i know a few and they scrub up pretty well..

The only tv builder I know is stunning, although she tends to wear short skirts rather than dresses.

I'm not a builder but I am a tradesman, I like to think I scrub up alright

You do indeed scrub up exceptionally well if your pics are anything to go by

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Who knows why they go to the effort of actually mailing you to say that. They don't know you so don't worry about it.

I think you look great.

Thanks Steele xxxxx

I have nearly left a few times due to the abuse. But adore the sex when I am femmed up

Always report abusive messages.

Also I think the most abusive ones are just revealing how upset they are that they can't fuck us - the worse the abuse, the bigger the compliment.

Hope that helps a bit. xx"

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

When I chose my profile name I happened to jump in the opposite direction to my friend Lilly above, I went for cd instead of tv. Showing that there's no common agreement on cd/tv/ts/tg/etc/etc even within our own community.

I opted to describe myself as cd - cross dresser - because to me it's transvestite that can have the fetishistic overtones. Just my own personal interpretation, I would never force that on anyone else or expect any general agreement.

I felt that cd might best give a hint to those with little knowledge of the trans community of how I might appear to them. I'm obviously an individual who was assigned male at birth based upon the appearance of my genitals. I went through a male puberty. To the outside world I appear to be a male who (much of the time, although not full time) dresses as a woman. In fact though internally I tend to feel more emotionally and mentally aligned with the female gender, I feel more like a woman who has peculiar genitals, who sometimes cross dresses as a man.

I like to think that I make an effort about my appearance, much as all women have to do. Not because I want to look sexy for the benefit of men, but because I want to look decent for myself. I know that objectively I must look at least halfway okay, as I have a whole social existence as a woman within the general community. For me (and this is just personally me, absolutely no criticism of any other person who may lie anywhere under the transgender spectrum) being trans is not merely a dressing thing or a sex thing, it's just who I am. BUT, for the purpose of giving myself an identity on fab, I happened to feel that "cd" might be the simplest shorthand to allow others to easily understand who I am.

I guess discussions of this topic will continue ever while we are a minority and not well understood by the general population...

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF)
over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

I should add, we have never had abuse from anyone and travelled all over Europe dressed, except on the forums.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

TV profile - cool.

Pictures - fully naked hairy man on a bed.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a woman/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that. "

Lets flip it around a bit...

"ONE thing I don’t get and this is mearly an observation not a judgement, I want explained, as I literally just seen it.

Male profile - cool.

Pictures - just a cock.

I.e. literally fuck all/zero effort made to dress as a proper man/look like one.

Surely this just means your bi or gay.

Point I’m making and a rule i live my life around is: if you’re gonna do something do it properly. This is an example of not doing that."

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

I’m horrific

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