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"This is one for the couples, would you like to see a club that was couples only ? we love to go out on a fri night but cant find anywere thats couples only on a fri, all clubs seen to have the same structure ie singles and coulples on fri couples only sat. thoughts please. " Whilst it may suit you it probably wouldn't suit the bank manager! lol as someone else has already indicated you need the single guys and the breech of regulations regarding equal charging to continue to keep the clubs a float.... So very unlikely to change. | |||
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" Chams have a strictly couples only room " Partners and Cupids also have couples only rooms but I expect the OP is saying exclusively couples with no single guys allowed entry. | |||
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"we think a club thats couples only on a fri would do well as it would be the only one ! we find the vast majority of couples are not loking for single guys even on single guy nights and the ones that are seem to take care of lets say more than one a night lol" We usually go on a couples night as thats our preference, but once in a while, i will arrange to meet a single guy there on a friday as we cant accomidate and dont like hotel meets. So this is perfect for us as not into meeting one nigters there, rather arrange to meet a guy there i been chatting to on here. Wont ever please everyone all the time. If you are not looking for a single guy, then dont, but dont stop you playing with couples on that night, most clubs either have a couples only room or private rooms x | |||
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"...would you like to see a club that was couples only..." Part B of this question is: "How much would you be prepared to pay for a couples only club"? The "Single Guy Subsidy" that couples get to offset their admission is very considerable. By my seat of the pants maths, I would guess that a club like Chameleons or Xtasia would gross over £1m per year off single guys (memberships + admissions) Now divide that million by the number of couples that go, and add it on to the membershp / admission prices, and see if that would still be an attractive proposition. Still want a couples only club, at any price? | |||
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"we think a club thats couples only on a fri would do well as it would be the only one ! we find the vast majority of couples are not loking for single guys even on single guy nights and the ones that are seem to take care of lets say more than one a night lol" Thats generalising a bit isn't it? We don't and won't play with couples and we don't swinging on Saturday nights generally as most clubs make it a couples night. I'd like a club where it's singles every night of the week. | |||
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"...would you like to see a club that was couples only... Part B of this question is: "How much would you be prepared to pay for a couples only club"? The "Single Guy Subsidy" that couples get to offset their admission is very considerable. By my seat of the pants maths, I would guess that a club like Chameleons or Xtasia would gross over £1m per year off single guys (memberships + admissions) Now divide that million by the number of couples that go, and add it on to the membershp / admission prices, and see if that would still be an attractive proposition. Still want a couples only club, at any price?" That would be 33,333.333 single guys throughout the year, making 641 single guys each and every week, making, on average, 92 single guys each and every night. Your maths is wayyyyyyy off. | |||
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"There are dozens of clubs on mainland Europe that are always couples only and do very well. Exceptionally well in some cases. Whatever your view on single men, the scene when it started was never originally about them, technically 'to swing' you are swinging with a partner, as it refers to the swapping of partners. That is the way that many clubs on Europe still look at it. With so much competition over here now its hard to say how well a club would do that operated this as its policy, there would not be a shortage of people wanting to go, its sucess would be down to what else it offers people in the same way as any other club - if the club is crap then people won't go, regardless of the admin policy." The F Club used to run a couples and girls only party on a particular Friday called Peaches & Cream. It was so popular they moved it to Saturdays (least thats how we saw it), and no longer had a couples only friday night Although they say the format was good but they didn't get the numbers?? We preferred going along on a Friday night as the atmosphere was better than a regular sat night, and we could get there without it affecting saturday working plans After a year they brought back a couples party friday night, and it flopped - most likely because they lost their custom as people where no longer used to a special couples only friday night. We now use fridays as a time to private meet others, or time to spend on our own for a night out. We think there are far too many clubs open of poor quality to be able to stay open thru couples money alone, so most clubs are kept open by the single guys paying over the odds (more fool them). Many couples stay away from Friday nights that allow single guys - because they have had issues in the past with single males eg, being constantly followed, touching without permission, voiced comments etc, they are too on edge to enjoy themselves to even try a club without the fear of wasting money and time on a night out. | |||
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"we think a club thats couples only on a fri would do well as it would be the only one ! we find the vast majority of couples are not loking for single guys even on single guy nights and the ones that are seem to take care of lets say more than one a night lol Thats generalising a bit isn't it? We don't and won't play with couples and we don't swinging on Saturday nights generally as most clubs make it a couples night. I'd like a club where it's singles every night of the week." +1 | |||
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"This is one for the couples, would you like to see a club that was couples only ? we love to go out on a fri night but cant find anywere thats couples only on a fri, all clubs seen to have the same structure ie singles and coulples on fri couples only sat. thoughts please. " This would be fine, as long as Saturdays became singles nights | |||
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" Many couples stay away from Friday nights that allow single guys - because they have had issues in the past with single males eg, being constantly followed, touching without permission, voiced comments etc, they are too on edge to enjoy themselves to even try a club without the fear of wasting money and time on a night out. " And many couples won't go to clubs with couples only due to the trouble they have had in the past with couples, the couples cliques, the arguments between couples on whether or not they fancy another couple, the "my hubby only has 2" and I need a shag.....sod the other woman brigade", the "my hubby can't get it up and I need a shag...... sod the other woman brigade" , the "my wife is friged and I need a shag, ..... sod the other bloke he can have a wank brigade" , the wife looking to get out of her marriage by snagging another male swinger brigade....etc. etc. Each to their own, we like singles night and don't go to couples nights due to all of the above happening to us. Each to their own and lets be honest, no club is going to survive on the entrance fee of couples only. | |||
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"That would be 33,333.333 single guys throughout the year, making 641 single guys each and every week, making, on average, 92 single guys each and every night. Your maths is wayyyyyyy off." According to your information in this thread: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/74188 "what you know" is that for every 5 couples who are members of Chams, there are 100 single guys who are members. If your information is correct, then my maths won't be far off. | |||
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" Many couples stay away from Friday nights that allow single guys - because they have had issues in the past with single males eg, being constantly followed, touching without permission, voiced comments etc, they are too on edge to enjoy themselves to even try a club without the fear of wasting money and time on a night out. And many couples won't go to clubs with couples only due to the trouble they have had in the past with couples, the couples cliques, the arguments between couples on whether or not they fancy another couple, the "my hubby only has 2" and I need a shag.....sod the other woman brigade", the "my hubby can't get it up and I need a shag...... sod the other woman brigade" , the "my wife is friged and I need a shag, ..... sod the other bloke he can have a wank brigade" , the wife looking to get out of her marriage by snagging another male swinger brigade....etc. etc. Each to their own, we like singles night and don't go to couples nights due to all of the above happening to us. Each to their own and lets be honest, no club is going to survive on the entrance fee of couples only." all of the above i avoid the couples in chams due to not wishing being turned to stone by the women lol | |||
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"That would be 33,333.333 single guys throughout the year, making 641 single guys each and every week, making, on average, 92 single guys each and every night. Your maths is wayyyyyyy off. According to your information in this thread: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/74188 "what you know" is that for every 5 couples who are members of Chams, there are 100 single guys who are members. If your information is correct, then my maths won't be far off." Instead of constantly throwing your toys out of the pram because Chameleons saw fit, thank god, to refuse you entrance and membership....... read the thread I placed just after that one. The one to the effect of the amount of people WANTING to join........ If you want to try and pick holes in my threads go ahead....... you are only making yourself look more desperate than you already are. One of the staff commented the other day that they get at least 30 calls a day from single men...... now, if all those men were allowed to join..... you work out the maths! And as this thread wasn't specifically abo | |||
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"That would be 33,333.333 single guys throughout the year, making 641 single guys each and every week, making, on average, 92 single guys each and every night. Your maths is wayyyyyyy off. According to your information in this thread: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/74188 "what you know" is that for every 5 couples who are members of Chams, there are 100 single guys who are members. If your information is correct, then my maths won't be far off." Ouch. Tell me you have been saving that stat to use at a later date lol | |||
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"That would be 33,333.333 single guys throughout the year, making 641 single guys each and every week, making, on average, 92 single guys each and every night. Your maths is wayyyyyyy off. According to your information in this thread: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/74188 "what you know" is that for every 5 couples who are members of Chams, there are 100 single guys who are members. If your information is correct, then my maths won't be far off. Instead of constantly throwing your toys out of the pram because Chameleons saw fit, thank god, to refuse you entrance and membership....... read the thread I placed just after that one. The one to the effect of the amount of people WANTING to join........ If you want to try and pick holes in my threads go ahead....... you are only making yourself look more desperate than you already are. One of the staff commented the other day that they get at least 30 calls a day from single men...... now, if all those men were allowed to join..... you work out the maths! And as this thread wasn't specifically abo" That is an amazing amount of enquiries. A minimum of 10,950 enquiries from single guys. | |||
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" Many couples stay away from Friday nights that allow single guys - because they have had issues in the past with single males eg, being constantly followed, touching without permission, voiced comments etc, they are too on edge to enjoy themselves to even try a club without the fear of wasting money and time on a night out. And many couples won't go to clubs with couples only due to the trouble they have had in the past with couples, the couples cliques, the arguments between couples on whether or not they fancy another couple, the "my hubby only has 2" and I need a shag.....sod the other woman brigade", the "my hubby can't get it up and I need a shag...... sod the other woman brigade" , the "my wife is friged and I need a shag, ..... sod the other bloke he can have a wank brigade" , the wife looking to get out of her marriage by snagging another male swinger brigade....etc. etc. Each to their own, we like singles night and don't go to couples nights due to all of the above happening to us. Each to their own and lets be honest, no club is going to survive on the entrance fee of couples only." That's issues within those couples, that shouldn't be brought to a swingers club in the first place. Swinging is partner "sharing" not tit for tat.. What you have placed there, are couples that dont/cant even respect each other let alone others. Thats not swinging! | |||
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" Many couples stay away from Friday nights that allow single guys - because they have had issues in the past with single males eg, being constantly followed, touching without permission, voiced comments etc, they are too on edge to enjoy themselves to even try a club without the fear of wasting money and time on a night out. " And thats generalising and those men, the same sort of men who join FAB's and EXPECT sex because they think that women swingers are willing to open their legs for anyone.... shouldn't be allowed in swinging clubs or on swinging sites. I actually agree with what you say about the couples and their issues...... however, as one poster above stated, getting frozen out by the other female happens and alot of the couples night cliques only trust each other..... not much good for NSA sex now is it. I'm not saying that couples nights don't have their place, they do, but so do singles nights and a couple that ONLY caters for couples, won't make the money unless they are very exclusive and very expensive. Some people don't like single men, some don't like couples..... like I've said before, each to their own. | |||
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"This is one for the couples, would you like to see a club that was couples only ? we love to go out on a fri night but cant find anywere thats couples only on a fri, all clubs seen to have the same structure ie singles and coulples on fri couples only sat. thoughts please. " to be honest i dont think a couples only club would last single guys fees keep most clubs afloat | |||
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"That would be 33,333.333 single guys throughout the year, making 641 single guys each and every week, making, on average, 92 single guys each and every night. Your maths is wayyyyyyy off. According to your information in this thread: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/74188 "what you know" is that for every 5 couples who are members of Chams, there are 100 single guys who are members. If your information is correct, then my maths won't be far off. Instead of constantly throwing your toys out of the pram because Chameleons saw fit, thank god, to refuse you entrance and membership....... read the thread I placed just after that one. The one to the effect of the amount of people WANTING to join........ If you want to try and pick holes in my threads go ahead....... you are only making yourself look more desperate than you already are. One of the staff commented the other day that they get at least 30 calls a day from single men...... now, if all those men were allowed to join..... you work out the maths! And as this thread wasn't specifically abo That is an amazing amount of enquiries. A minimum of 10,950 enquiries from single guys." There will be those that ring every day or every week of course, but are you really suprised that one of the most popular clubs in the country gets that many phone calls a day, especially if you remember that it's open from 11am until 1am or 4am at the weekends. On a Friday, that only equates to 1.76 calls per hour. | |||
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"Is that including single fems too in the not wanting them too?" I suspect 'couples only' would mean no single females too! Because we're not proper swingers, see? I love to go to a club with single guys because I know I'll have fun. Being one of those mythical single bi fems that every couple seems to seek, I am constantly surprised at how many couples will only play with couples. I have no problem with that though because it leaves the sexy men for me! | |||
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"Is that including single fems too in the not wanting them too? I suspect 'couples only' would mean no single females too! Because we're not proper swingers, see? I love to go to a club with single guys because I know I'll have fun. Being one of those mythical single bi fems that every couple seems to seek, I am constantly surprised at how many couples will only play with couples. I have no problem with that though because it leaves the sexy men for me! " ive been to couples nights as a single female and been made to feel as welcome as a fart in a jacuzzi, lots of women do not like single women on couples only night, contrary to what people may believe | |||
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"Is that including single fems too in the not wanting them too? I suspect 'couples only' would mean no single females too! Because we're not proper swingers, see? I love to go to a club with single guys because I know I'll have fun. Being one of those mythical single bi fems that every couple seems to seek, I am constantly surprised at how many couples will only play with couples. I have no problem with that though because it leaves the sexy men for me! ive been to couples nights as a single female and been made to feel as welcome as a fart in a jacuzzi, lots of women do not like single women on couples only night, contrary to what people may believe " They are always willing to chat but I notice when doing so that the woman edges closer and closer to her man, as if worried I'll steal him away. I also love the 'looks', when the guy will incline his head toward me slightly and the woman gives a quick headshake. Yes people, I do notice these things! But they still put they are looking for the single bi woman on their profiles. Go figure. Perhaps I'm just a munter. | |||
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"Is that including single fems too in the not wanting them too? I suspect 'couples only' would mean no single females too! Because we're not proper swingers, see? I love to go to a club with single guys because I know I'll have fun. Being one of those mythical single bi fems that every couple seems to seek, I am constantly surprised at how many couples will only play with couples. I have no problem with that though because it leaves the sexy men for me! ive been to couples nights as a single female and been made to feel as welcome as a fart in a jacuzzi, lots of women do not like single women on couples only night, contrary to what people may believe They are always willing to chat but I notice when doing so that the woman edges closer and closer to her man, as if worried I'll steal him away. I also love the 'looks', when the guy will incline his head toward me slightly and the woman gives a quick headshake. Yes people, I do notice these things! But they still put they are looking for the single bi woman on their profiles. Go figure. Perhaps I'm just a munter. " No,that was my one experience of a couples night,which is why i will never go back,alone or with kev... i was their with friends,we played and i was happy having a drink in the bar,a couple came and sat with me,chatted and suggested we go play.I gave them a couple of minutes and followed,he was licking his partner out on the swing,i asked if i could join in,and he suggested i get on the swing... later they were having a massive row about me in the locker room,and i was looked at like something dragged up from the bottom of the tyne.This has never happened when i have been playing alone at a club on a noncouples night .i even followed my usual policy of giving the couple time to check with each other that everything was cool. | |||
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"ive been to couples nights as a single female and been made to feel as welcome as a fart in a jacuzzi, lots of women do not like single women on couples only night, contrary to what people may believe " How do you spot the fart with all the bubbles? | |||
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" Many couples stay away from Friday nights that allow single guys - because they have had issues in the past with single males eg, being constantly followed, touching without permission, voiced comments etc, they are too on edge to enjoy themselves to even try a club without the fear of wasting money and time on a night out. And thats generalising and those men, the same sort of men who join FAB's and EXPECT sex because they think that women swingers are willing to open their legs for anyone.... shouldn't be allowed in swinging clubs or on swinging sites. I actually agree with what you say about the couples and their issues...... however, as one poster above stated, getting frozen out by the other female happens and alot of the couples night cliques only trust each other..... not much good for NSA sex now is it. I'm not saying that couples nights don't have their place, they do, but so do singles nights and a couple that ONLY caters for couples, won't make the money unless they are very exclusive and very expensive. Some people don't like single men, some don't like couples..... like I've said before, each to their own." That is a good point that I was blind too. However Singles are not swingers in the true sense. Many clubs on the continent do VERY well being couples only, as previously said its about how the clubs are to attract real swinging couples. The standard of clubs in the UK are not as high, and it has nothing to do with expense, as Continental clubs are probably cheaper over the course of the night from admission, to inclusive drinks and hot and cold buffets (not just party finger food from Iceland/Asda etc !), and have the all important greater facilities. Cliques are really only groups of friends (who go to a club specifically to play with each other) or groups of regulars who know each other and will chat together. Real swingers will open their arms to accept new people into a club.. NSA is great, but it all comes down to attraction. No attraction then no play - couples need to respect one another internally of their coupling especially. So really it's the standard of clientele in the clubs that is the real issue! If you have hi-end standards and treat others accordingly (are respectable, respectful and thoughtful of others), then singles only or couples only wouldn't be a problem - as there wouldn't be a problem to start with. | |||
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" Many couples stay away from Friday nights that allow single guys - because they have had issues in the past with single males eg, being constantly followed, touching without permission, voiced comments etc, they are too on edge to enjoy themselves to even try a club without the fear of wasting money and time on a night out. And thats generalising and those men, the same sort of men who join FAB's and EXPECT sex because they think that women swingers are willing to open their legs for anyone.... shouldn't be allowed in swinging clubs or on swinging sites. I actually agree with what you say about the couples and their issues...... however, as one poster above stated, getting frozen out by the other female happens and alot of the couples night cliques only trust each other..... not much good for NSA sex now is it. I'm not saying that couples nights don't have their place, they do, but so do singles nights and a couple that ONLY caters for couples, won't make the money unless they are very exclusive and very expensive. Some people don't like single men, some don't like couples..... like I've said before, each to their own. That is a good point that I was blind too. However Singles are not swingers in the true sense. Many clubs on the continent do VERY well being couples only, as previously said its about how the clubs are to attract real swinging couples. The standard of clubs in the UK are not as high, and it has nothing to do with expense, as Continental clubs are probably cheaper over the course of the night from admission, to inclusive drinks and hot and cold buffets (not just party finger food from Iceland/Asda etc !), and have the all important greater facilities. Cliques are really only groups of friends (who go to a club specifically to play with each other) or groups of regulars who know each other and will chat together. Real swingers will open their arms to accept new people into a club.. NSA is great, but it all comes down to attraction. No attraction then no play - couples need to respect one another internally of their coupling especially. So really it's the standard of clientele in the clubs that is the real issue! If you have hi-end standards and treat others accordingly (are respectable, respectful and thoughtful of others), then singles only or couples only wouldn't be a problem - as there wouldn't be a problem to start with. " The above is a very accurate statement. The simple fact is different people like different clubs on different nights for different reasons, as per their personal preferences. If there was a club opened to the standard of say fun4two, (The busiest and arguably the best club in the world, couples only) in the UK, (which would require a huge sum of money)it would do very well because of the standard of the venue. There are a huge number of couples who will only go out on the scene on a night that is couples only (Just as there are many people who prefer the opposite for the reasons listed here) As stated above, the standard of the clubs on the continent is way way above anything in the UK, though we are slowly catching up with them, that is why there are well over 150 clubs on mainland Europe, all of whom have a couples only policy, and all of whom do very well. | |||
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