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"I am NOT PC! I do judge. If she was cheating (your word!) then I think she is wrong. It is wrong on any level to cheat and deceive a partner. Get out and then do what you want. I also am going to judge you! Actually helping her cheat? That is an awful thing to do! It is one thing to walk on by whilst someone does it, but to be part of the lies and deceit, makes you as bad as her! Swinging is about having fun and being able to trust people. How can she or you be trusted as you have already demonstrated that you are prepared to help someone cheating on their partner. Then also, what about the external view of swingers? You and your friend are doing nothing to make people more accepting of swinging. All they would see is selfish people prepared to lie and cheat for a shag! Not perhaps a reply that you want, but I would imagine you will get loads of support, so this one won't matter! " To be honest i cant see there is going to be much support for this post | |||
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"I am NOT PC! I do judge. If she was cheating (your word!) then I think she is wrong. It is wrong on any level to cheat and deceive a partner. Get out and then do what you want. I also am going to judge you! Actually helping her cheat? That is an awful thing to do! It is one thing to walk on by whilst someone does it, but to be part of the lies and deceit, makes you as bad as her! Swinging is about having fun and being able to trust people. How can she or you be trusted as you have already demonstrated that you are prepared to help someone cheating on their partner. Then also, what about the external view of swingers? You and your friend are doing nothing to make people more accepting of swinging. All they would see is selfish people prepared to lie and cheat for a shag! Not perhaps a reply that you want, but I would imagine you will get loads of support, so this one won't matter! To be honest i cant see there is going to be much support for this post" No support here, I wonder if the OP truly expected any! If this had been posted by a man he'd be searching for his balls by now as he'd have been castrated by now! | |||
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"do you know what i actually admire her for being so honest in the first place yes she is cheating on her husband but as 1 who did that as well i can not slate her for it we all have reasons for doing it and ppl shouldnt be so quick to judge!!! I am sick of getting the phone call from the wifes of guys who swore blind they were single or seperated as their profile stated only to find out they not 5 times its happened to me now 5 times !!! im not judging them for cheating on partner just for not having the balls to admit it so i then have choice of whether i want to play or not !!! waits for the how can she possible play with someone knowing they married mob to slate me but at least i know with them there is no way i will get caught they a lot more careful!!!!!! " Wow sounds like karma to me.If you cheating and lied about it,what makes you think other people won't do the same.? | |||
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"I am NOT PC! I do judge. If she was cheating (your word!) then I think she is wrong. It is wrong on any level to cheat and deceive a partner. Get out and then do what you want. I also am going to judge you! Actually helping her cheat? That is an awful thing to do! It is one thing to walk on by whilst someone does it, but to be part of the lies and deceit, makes you as bad as her! Swinging is about having fun and being able to trust people. How can she or you be trusted as you have already demonstrated that you are prepared to help someone cheating on their partner. Then also, what about the external view of swingers? You and your friend are doing nothing to make people more accepting of swinging. All they would see is selfish people prepared to lie and cheat for a shag! Not perhaps a reply that you want, but I would imagine you will get loads of support, so this one won't matter! " i love that post i like the way you keep saying 'your not judging' whilst making judgemental comments all the way tho lol | |||
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"A married person doesn't have to use another site , they are not barred from here just because you don't agree with it. People just have to avoid any person they don't want to play with, as always. I personally don't give a toss what other people do, it is for their conscience only.....but I certainly wouldn't help a friend do it and lie and cover up for her." Snap - You type far quicker than me though! I might need to start a forum complaining about it! | |||
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"Why anyone gets themselves so upset at what someone, they dont even know, does baffles me! It may not be right but what right do any of us have to say so to them? If they want to do it they will anyway and it is so easy on here to pass them by if you dont like it! As always, just my opinion and will be sticking with it too. " I agree! I don't play with married men, that's my choice and it says "no married men" on my profile. It wouldn't cross my mind to write to a married man berating him for cheating: not my business at all. However, it threads like this that annoy in as much that it appears married people, or in this case a friend of a married person, is upset their cheating is not accepted with open arms! Why draw attention to it? | |||
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"........ Why draw attention to it?" Because they feel as strongly as those opposed to it do and have the right to air their anger/frustration/views/etc on any subject they want to. Me, on the other hand, don't care what others get up to, it's their lives and their choices, whether any of us agree with them or not! | |||
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"I think at times ( not all ) that it is more to justify it to themselves (although I think they are the only person who needs to justify it) or to get a sympathy shag" The latter, more often than not! | |||
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"Why anyone gets themselves so upset at what someone, they dont even know, does baffles me! It may not be right but what right do any of us have to say so to them? If they want to do it they will anyway and it is so easy on here to pass them by if you dont like it! As always, just my opinion and will be sticking with it too. " I think, personally, the problem is one of trust. By it's very nature, swinging has to be about trust and honesty, after all, sexual liberation isn't about free love and shagging anything that moves. It's about liberated sex with like minded people, on the basis that the 'no strings attached' label is adhered to. If someone meets a woman, shags her, finds out she is married, the spouse finds out and cites them in an adultery divorce...... where is the trust? What most people (by no means all) don't like about marrieds is that in effect, they are trying to justify their cheating by hanging a swinging hat on it. If you go out on a saturday night and shag a random stranger at a pub.... it's cheating If you have an affair with your boss/secretary......... it's cheating If you haul the milkman in and shag him senseless on the kitchen counter....... it's cheating..... How does anyone justify cheating by being on a swinging site. Also, to the OP.......... abhorent, absolutely abhorent. I used to love your posts and was looking forward to meeting you. Not now........ you are the kind of person who gives swinging a bad name! Your mates in trouble, get her to join a site where there's thousands of single men ripe for her picking and make them part of your/her sleazy little plan to get her leg over. Meeting a married is one thing...... helping them cheat is base level dishonesty. | |||
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"I am NOT PC! I do judge. If she was cheating (your word!) then I think she is wrong. It is wrong on any level to cheat and deceive a partner. Get out and then do what you want. I also am going to judge you! Actually helping her cheat? That is an awful thing to do! It is one thing to walk on by whilst someone does it, but to be part of the lies and deceit, makes you as bad as her! Swinging is about having fun and being able to trust people. How can she or you be trusted as you have already demonstrated that you are prepared to help someone cheating on their partner. Then also, what about the external view of swingers? You and your friend are doing nothing to make people more accepting of swinging. All they would see is selfish people prepared to lie and cheat for a shag! Not perhaps a reply that you want, but I would imagine you will get loads of support, so this one won't matter! i love that post i like the way you keep saying 'your not judging' whilst making judgemental comments all the way tho lol " Have I read it wrong? It looks to me that they say they 'are judging'. | |||
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" and i will even take her to a social with us lol " I couldn't give a toss if someone is single/married/cheating/whatever (as long as I know and can make my own choices)... it's their life and they have their reasons. What I do give a toss about is people saying they intend to take non-members along to socials with them. Oh I am sure the OP will have a 101 reasons why they trust this person and think it is OK .... but so will every other Tom, Dickhead and Harry who wants to take a mate along to stare at the swingers. | |||
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"Why anyone gets themselves so upset at what someone, they dont even know, does baffles me! It may not be right but what right do any of us have to say so to them? If they want to do it they will anyway and it is so easy on here to pass them by if you dont like it! As always, just my opinion and will be sticking with it too. I think, personally, the problem is one of trust. By it's very nature, swinging has to be about trust and honesty, after all, sexual liberation isn't about free love and shagging anything that moves. It's about liberated sex with like minded people, on the basis that the 'no strings attached' label is adhered to. If someone meets a woman, shags her, finds out she is married, the spouse finds out and cites them in an adultery divorce...... where is the trust? What most people (by no means all) don't like about marrieds is that in effect, they are trying to justify their cheating by hanging a swinging hat on it. If you go out on a saturday night and shag a random stranger at a pub.... it's cheating If you have an affair with your boss/secretary......... it's cheating If you haul the milkman in and shag him senseless on the kitchen counter....... it's cheating..... How does anyone justify cheating by being on a swinging site. Also, to the OP.......... abhorent, absolutely abhorent. I used to love your posts and was looking forward to meeting you. Not now........ you are the kind of person who gives swinging a bad name! Your mates in trouble, get her to join a site where there's thousands of single men ripe for her picking and make them part of your/her sleazy little plan to get her leg over. Meeting a married is one thing...... helping them cheat is base level dishonesty." Wow I love a woman with passion.That was well said . two thumbs up | |||
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"Whatever happened to "open minded" swingers? (puts on crash helmet and hides in bunker lol)" They are all over the place... the thing is... 'playing away' is not what most swingers would class as swinging. | |||
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"as a man who has been cheated on by a dog of an ex wife i think cheating in a marrige is the lowest of the low whats wrong with a bit of honesty?if i wanted more than my wife (becky) was giving me i would leave her before ever thinking of going behind her back and i,m sorry but anyone who does is is just a dishonest dog as far i,m concerned." But you should not take your anger out on people you don't even know | |||
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"Whatever happened to "open minded" swingers? (puts on crash helmet and hides in bunker lol) They are all over the place... the thing is... 'playing away' is not what most swingers would class as swinging." I play away and have my reasons for doing so, the swinging part I see as separate from playing away | |||
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" the swinging part I see as separate from playing away" Eh? lol | |||
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"as a man who has been cheated on by a dog of an ex wife i think cheating in a marrige is the lowest of the low whats wrong with a bit of honesty?if i wanted more than my wife (becky) was giving me i would leave her before ever thinking of going behind her back and i,m sorry but anyone who does is is just a dishonest dog as far i,m concerned. But you should not take your anger out on people you don't even know" that's correct .At the end of the day she might be cheating because he was doing the same to her or any other reasons. Although i dont agree with how its being done I cant just make assumptions and down right blast the womnan, who for some reason lok is not on the site anymore and the OP has not commented on the topic since lol. | |||
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" the swinging part I see as separate from playing away Eh? lol " Ok met someone while playing away and got into swinging with her, won't go into my reasons for playing way but once I was the swinging part was a new direction they came out after I played away that's why I feel it's separate (bad logic I know but that's how I feel) | |||
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" the swinging part I see as separate from playing away Eh? lol Ok met someone while playing away and got into swinging with her, won't go into my reasons for playing way but once I was the swinging part was a new direction they came out after I played away that's why I feel it's separate (bad logic I know but that's how I feel)" Its a mans logic LOL | |||
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" and i will even take her to a social with us lol ohhhhhhhhh that should be fun " Don't attempt to attend any Scottish socials then, as only FAB members are allowed to attend them .... no mates... no spouses... no exceptions, only way in is if they are a FAB member. | |||
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" the swinging part I see as separate from playing away Eh? lol Ok met someone while playing away and got into swinging with her, won't go into my reasons for playing way but once I was the swinging part was a new direction they came out after I played away that's why I feel it's separate (bad logic I know but that's how I feel)" How can it be seperate? Does your other half know you are meeting other people with someone else? No, I bet. So it is not seperate, you are just playing away with more people involved. I don't attack people just because they are playing away.... it's their life and none of my business........ until they start trying to justify their actions on the forums and make it open business. What you are doing undermines the whole ethos of swinging (in the traditional sense)… couples in secure trusting relationships… the foundation of swinging. Now being used as a handy label to illogically differentiate actions of infidelity from common playing away deceit. Do I have a right to judge you – no. Do I have a right to judge what you write on the forum… YES, and don’t forget it was you who put it there. | |||
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" and i will even take her to a social with us lol ohhhhhhhhh that should be fun Don't attempt to attend any Scottish socials then, as only FAB members are allowed to attend them .... no mates... no spouses... no exceptions, only way in is if they are a FAB member. " I am glad I wasn't the only one concerned by the ending statement from the OP. | |||
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"as a man who has been cheated on by a dog of an ex wife i think cheating in a marrige is the lowest of the low whats wrong with a bit of honesty?if i wanted more than my wife (becky) was giving me i would leave her before ever thinking of going behind her back and i,m sorry but anyone who does is is just a dishonest dog as far i,m concerned." i think its time to move on mate lots of people have been cheated on that does not give you the right to be abusive to other | |||
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"playing away is cheating not swinging" actually i do not agree with that swinging is a life style and a state of mind, i personally think 2 fuck buddies can swing just as well as a married couple swinging is NOT a marrage status, single can swing, couples can swing, fuck buddies can swing and cheater can swing you may not agree with cheating but there are lots of people out there that would see sharing your spouce with another person just as bad if not worse Thats not to say i do but there are lots of people who would be horrified at what your doing | |||
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"Why are people so quick to judge?? We only know one side of the story usually - that is a married is looking to meet for NSA fun, there is nothing to say WHY they wish to do this. Could it be they only want what is missing at home because, dare I suggest it the other half is already at it themselves with half the local telephone directory or members of A.N.Other website? All I would say is if you are married - be honest and let any potential meets know up front and allow them to make their own choice.... all that is then required is a simple thanks or no thanks. I'm not judging - just talking from personal experience and why I found myself on here to start with. Just remember there are two sides to every story. Only my humble opinion - and we are all entitled to that " here here | |||
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"Grow up people please. The fact that people are mailing these people and not keeping their feelings in the forum makes whoever you are look childish and bullish. Grow up and mind your own business. " Not wishing to nit-pick... (OK I am)... actually it doesn't make them look childish and bullish as the messages are being sent privately... so it doesn't make them look anything at all from here. | |||
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"ohhhhhhhhh ok this is where my lovely friend would tell me to sit down and just be cool She left this site after being bought to tears because of the abusive comments and emails she got from being honest in her profile - i would rather stand up and ask everyone in here to not be so censorious even it it risks your disapproval In the meantime i will still be there for her for as long as she wants - in any capacity she wants - and be dammed (flounces out of the room to go and answer the strangley odd number of emails that are growning from single men for her! perhaps i can talk her in to re joining on this basis ) " why didnt she just report the abuse? Isnt sending abusing messages to other members against the AUPs on here? | |||
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"do you know what i actually admire her for being so honest in the first place yes she is cheating on her husband but as 1 who did that as well i can not slate her for it we all have reasons for doing it and ppl shouldnt be so quick to judge!!! I am sick of getting the phone call from the wifes of guys who swore blind they were single or seperated as their profile stated only to find out they not 5 times its happened to me now 5 times !!! im not judging them for cheating on partner just for not having the balls to admit it so i then have choice of whether i want to play or not !!! waits for the how can she possible play with someone knowing they married mob to slate me but at least i know with them there is no way i will get caught they a lot more careful!!!!!! " Not that bloody careful if you've had ranting wives on the phone 5 times. Just an observation. | |||
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"ohhhhhhhhh ok this is where my lovely friend would tell me to sit down and just be cool She left this site after being bought to tears because of the abusive comments and emails she got from being honest in her profile - i would rather stand up and ask everyone in here to not be so censorious even it it risks your disapproval In the meantime i will still be there for her for as long as she wants - in any capacity she wants - and be dammed (flounces out of the room to go and answer the strangley odd number of emails that are growning from single men for her! perhaps i can talk her in to re joining on this basis ) why didnt she just report the abuse? yes i did tell her to ........ that would have been my response......... actually my first abusive message bought me to the forum for support (which i got) and i found that a great way of managing ...... her response was just to block after a while though she just thought it isnt worth it ... she just expected something different from our world ..... so she just found it easier to leave Isnt sending abusing messages to other members against the AUPs on here? " | |||
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" I would like to see who sent the mail ? and what sort of people couples or singles ... was it she would not meet them ? I can get them nasty if i dont at times and thay keep mailing ..........But like some say here she should have mailed the site and got the people who was doing this to her of the site ,,,,,, its a site for everyone x" well said by a very sexy poster lol. | |||
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" ... its a site for everyone x" You really should consider the implications of such a wide open statement. | |||
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