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By *ichNjudy OP   Couple
over a year ago

stoke on trent

If we could be so bold to ask, but we've noticed this on quite a lot of profiles so why do some couples only do MMF with the exception of anything else?

Where as on the other hand there are hardly any couple profiles that we've seen (like almost none that we can think of) that are looking for FFM only.

Most likely we'll get told to mind our own business for some reason for asking this lol, but are the guys in these couples actually swingers.

It seems very odd to Rich but why don't these guys like to have sex with other women at the same time. Let's face it that has gotta be fun in just about anyone's book.

By the way we do have very close friends - a couple - who we don't swing with and never have (though they are on this site) they do mostly only MMF and we do know why they do this but is everyone the same?

xxx

PS - if the answer is p~ss off none of your business, then a 'please' in front makes it much more polite lol or maybe just forget the question and continue doing what you enjoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A problem many men on this site encounter is homosexual men pretending to be women or couples.

I've become deeply suspicious of some Profiles as a result of this.

Especially profiles of women just looking for cocksucking.

I've even gone to meetings where the women just weren't there.

That may not answer for all the reasons involved but I believe it's a partial answer.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

lol you'll probably get lots of replies saying 'their lives their choice' an they are right but it doesnt hurt to pose the quesion now does it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way we see it,although many men's ultimate fantasy is FFM,a woman can do a Hell of a lot more and last a damn site longer with two guys than a guy can with two women.

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Choice, preference, what makes them tick, etc etc.

To be honest, the question seems very naive

Why does anyone do anything sexual? why do we 'share' partners at all?.

I can say, when we have a MMF session, I enjoy seeing my partner enjoying another man, I can sit back and see it as a one on one, I can join in and make it a threesome.

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Ok we love MMF and very very rarely play with couples

We don't class ourselves as swingers either because I don't think we are,Im happy with that as I can't stand the term amyway

The reason we love MMF is because Rob loves to see me with another man/men and will only in exceptional cases want to play with another woman,and that would usually only be soft play

I love guys so its good with me

He does'nt see it as odd that the only person he wants to fuck is his wife,he very rarely comes across another woman that he would want to play with,if he does he knows he can

We each do what we want to do what turns us on sexually and what we feel comfy with,for us its more than enjoyable and will carry on having the huge amounts of fun playing the way we do

I prefer not to play with men that are part of a couple too,I just don't feel comfortable with it at all,don't know why but I just don't

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Why do you play with couples? why do you play in seperate rooms? why do you swing at all?

We all have our kinks and preferences, I am not sure why you are questioning other peoples.

From our point of view, my OH loves to see me getting it from another man plus join in ( with me only) It turns him on, it turns me on...what more is there to know.

We don't mind not being called swingers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's very enjoyable to see and hear your partner getting pleasure from another man.

It helps stimulate her so that later sex can be even more enjoyable.

Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

It's very easy to recognise that if your partner is satisfied, you should be satisfied too!

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Its not a question of not being able to satisfy and I would take that as an insult if a guy mailed me to say he could satisfy me more than my man can..........because he would'nt be able to

Its just sexy fun for us both and for the people we play with........nothing more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It isn't about a male partner failing to satisfy. It's about achieving a satisfaction that requires more than one man.

I think that's something that needs to be honestly acknowledged.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


"It isn't about a male partner failing to satisfy. It's about achieving a satisfaction that requires more than one man.

I think that's something that needs to be honestly acknowledged."

Do you think it is'nt acknowledged then? how do you mean?

To fulfil the fantasy is acknowledging that it is a major turn on is'nt it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It isn't about a male partner failing to satisfy. It's about achieving a satisfaction that requires more than one man.

I think that's something that needs to be honestly acknowledged.

Do you think it is'nt acknowledged then? how do you mean?

Indeed!

But I was thinking outside of participants on this site.

In the wider community.

To fulfil the fantasy is acknowledging that it is a major turn on is'nt it?

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"It isn't about a male partner failing to satisfy. "

You should see what the other glashunter said...

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus


"

Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

"

Absolute fricking tosh.

We give swinging a break every now and then, but it has never meant that Jason hasn't fully satisfied me......

Bringing other men into our sex life is just an enhancement, a bit of fun etc.

In fact, I'm absolutely disgusted at the above remark. Reminds me of a certain poster who is no longer with us because of his pathetic views where male partners were concerned.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"It isn't about a male partner failing to satisfy. It's about achieving a satisfaction that requires more than one man.

I think that's something that needs to be honestly acknowledged."

So does that apply to couples who have FFM too? their woman can't satisfy them so they need two?

I think sometimes people get mixed up about couples letting someone join in their sex life. It isn't about replacing it, it isn't about having to have someone extra every night because one isn't enough, it is about having some sexy fun when you fancy it.......it isn't replacing the sex life you have, just enhancing it when you fancy it......the same as any other couple who swop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am curious if FFM means, by implication that the man is not happy with his female partner hence he needs two?

I am playing devil's advocate, of course.

We sometimes invite single guys etc to make some fantasies come true but never because my partner cannot satisfy me; we have between us the best sex anyway - so what we do in the scene is just a bit of variation on a "theme"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was attempting to discuss the issue this thread was tackling MMF relationships. Other types of relationship will need to be discussed on other threads.

Although I agree with what you say. I still think there are many occassions where women do have powerful needs that can only be satisfied as complementary to there existing relationships.

It is those powerful, even driving needs that men and women need to recognise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's very enjoyable to see and hear your partner getting pleasure from another man.

It helps stimulate her so that later sex can be even more enjoyable

Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

It's very easy to recognise that if your partner is satisfied, you should be satisfied too! "

Hubby keeps me more than satisfied,we invitew others into our private life to add to it,so sooo do not agree with you there

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus


"If we could be so bold to ask, but we've noticed this on quite a lot of profiles so why do some couples only do MMF with the exception of anything else?"

Because they can....... and it's their choice.


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Where as on the other hand there are hardly any couple profiles that we've seen (like almost none that we can think of) that are looking for FFM only."

Because, as proven by some university or other a few years back, the overwhelming male fantasy was to see their female partners fucked by another man.

It's called power..... you fuck her, you fuck off...... I get to take her home and she's mine, sort of attitude. Very caveman


"Most likely we'll get told to mind our own business for some reason for asking this lol, but are the guys in these couples actually swingers."

Of course they are swingers. Why wouldn't they be? Because they don't fit your stereotypical concept of a swinger? Not everyone has to play with couples, not everyone is an exhibitionist, not everyone is a voyeur, not everyone is bi etc....... The word swinger is a generalisation of the freedom and sexual liberation that many find in their lives.


"It seems very odd to Rich but why don't these guys like to have sex with other women at the same time. "

Thats his problem. If he can't accept that everyone is different and everyone else has choices.... like some people won't go bareback, some will.... then he's not as open minded as most on here.


"Let's face it that has gotta be fun in just about anyone's book."

Thats your opinion. Many men (and women for that matter) get off on seeing their partner fuck someone else but don't want to do it themselves.

We are not really a couples couple and we've always found MMF to be far more enjoyable than a 4 sum.

So NO, it hasn't gotta be fun in EVERYONE's book.


"By the way we do have very close friends - a couple - who we don't swing with and never have (though they are on this site) they do mostly only MMF and we do know why they do this but is everyone the same?"

I would have thought by now you would have learnt that not everyone is the same, and without knowing why this couple do MMF, we can't tell you.


"PS - if the answer is p~ss off none of your business, then a 'please' in front makes it much more polite lol or maybe just forget the question and continue doing what you enjoy."

Actually, I was tempted to put 'piss off' because you sound more like a reporter or someone trying to justify their swinging habits with each question that gets posted on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago


"I was attempting to discuss the issue this thread was tackling MMF relationships. Other types of relationship will need to be discussed on other threads.

Although I agree with what you say. I still think there are many occassions where women do have powerful needs that can only be satisfied as complementary to there existing relationships.

It is those powerful, even driving needs that men and women need to recognise.

"

If you're talking about outside of here than yes I agree with you and that works for men as well as women.......its communication and it gets put way down on the list of priorites in some relationships

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

The last post was removed as you are not allowed to use the forums to get around any mail blocks in place.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"...Where as on the other hand there are hardly any couple profiles that we've seen (like almost none that we can think of) that are looking for FFM only."

Quite a few of the profiles we see are looking for single (bi) fems for a threesum, and usuallly moaning about not finding any genuine fems lol!

It takes allsorts (as Bertie Bassett says) and I guess the answer to this is that people want what they want, we love to play with bi ladies, whether singles or in a couple, but we do also play with straight couples and occassionally single males.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it strange that no-one seems to have really mentioned that the guy in the couple might be bi, and like the attention of both a girl and another guy at once!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any hey, some people just have a thing for DP!

*whistles*

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By *onyMad123Couple
over a year ago

nottingham/ derby

I have met a couple that want mff and not mmf xxx But being very new we are just taking it all very steady x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For what it's worth I happen to think there is one thought missing here.

I enjoy MMF simply because I love to share the woman. I once read most women can be aroused to orgasm then almost re-aroused to orgasm again and again. Most men need a little rest (ahem) In my eyes in the MMF scenario the woman is getting the attention of 2 men at the same time. BUT that is not the way some men want to see their wife being pleasured. How many people enjoy a full on orgy as everyone is playing with everyone. I have not actually been involved with one but I can imagine it is very exciting.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Re; the original question.

While I (obviously) agree that women are much more fun than men, straight women disagree- hence their preference for MFM. There's presumably a fair few who like giving BJ's while they're getting fucked, etc etc too.

By the same token, without criticising your research, I think there are plenty of couples seeking FFM - for a start there's the "elusive single bi-fem" cliche, which surely originates from too many couples searching for too few bi-f's.

Which leads to the conclusion that like everything else on here it's just a case of personal preference.

That said, I hope you don't stop posting questions like these, because they generate interesting responses (and it's always nice to see a smiling avatar)

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Why anything?

Some people like some things, some people like other things.

Go and find people who like the same things as you and you can all enjoy it.

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By *iguy4BothMan
over a year ago

Accrington/ Warrington

At the end of the day ,as many have already said ,its all about personal preferences . Whether you are a couple or single , male or female, srtaight ,gay or bi you are looking for what you or your partner wants.

Having been on here for a while i have found that there are plenty of couples looking to invite singles into their intimate sexual circle whether it be a male or a female, also many that want just other couples.

We all have our preferences and you can always find someone on here to fit yours!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

THE BOUNDARY LINE

I find the Forums fascinating because because I am genuinely interested in the reasons people have for different forms of sexual expression. Consequently, I find statement that people have choices not as interesting as why they make those choices.

At no time have I ever claimed or suggested that anyone's husband has not sexually satisfied the. I am bewildered where this accusation comes from.

Throughout this thread I have attempted to explain why I believe some people enjoy MMF sex. I have not submitted an overall view but made comments on aspects of it. At no point did I ever claim or suggest that it was not simply fun for many people within an existing relationship.

Nevertheless, I have met women who could not be fully satisfied within an existing monogamous relationship and MMf relatioships have beome a way of handling this. I have not stated that this applies in all or even a majority of situations. It has also become a way of handling this for some men too.

MMF relationships are interesting because they are a boundary line. On this site, there appears to be a division between participants seeking partners for an alternative, supplementary or complementary relationship with others and those seeking sexual adventures involving multiple couplings such as group sex gang-bangs etc..

MMF relations appear to be the boundary line yet can exist within both contexts. For some it is the boundary line they feel they do not wish to cross; for others it is the threshold they must cross. One more M in an MMF relationship becomes a gang-bang; one less M becomes a marriage.

If I am correct, then I should not have been surprised at the anger about some of my postings. As a suporter of people drawing clear boundary lines, I do not pass any moral or ethical judgement on anyone's choices.

But I am now better aware that one exists.

I would appreciate others comments on these observations.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

I find it interesting that you keep using the word 'relationships' which I find odd in this context - if we decide to have a single guy round for fun it certainly doesn't make a 'relationship' it's dead simple - no strings sex, an addition to our already very good sex life and certainly not a 'relationship' - I can't speak for everyone but I am sure that couples who enjoy MMF fun haven't got MMF ' relationships' with the other guys involved! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trying to use a value neutral word. I don't think it works either.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"Trying to use a value neutral word. I don't think it works either."

lol - I know what you mean! Also intersting that the OP hasn't been back on with comments etc!

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does OP mean?

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"What does OP mean?

"

Original poster? Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I think about your original response, I think there are MF couples who have relationships with a man or a few men.

Not a marital relationship of course, but a bit more than casual.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"THE BOUNDARY LINE

I find the Forums fascinating because because I am genuinely interested in the reasons people have for different forms of sexual expression. Consequently, I find statement that people have choices not as interesting as why they make those choices.

At no time have I ever claimed or suggested that anyone's husband has not sexually satisfied the. I am bewildered where this accusation comes from.

Throughout this thread I have attempted to explain why I believe some people enjoy MMF sex. I have not submitted an overall view but made comments on aspects of it. At no point did I ever claim or suggest that it was not simply fun for many people within an existing relationship.

Nevertheless, I have met women who could not be fully satisfied within an existing monogamous relationship and MMf relatioships have beome a way of handling this. I have not stated that this applies in all or even a majority of situations. It has also become a way of handling this for some men too.

MMF relationships are interesting because they are a boundary line. On this site, there appears to be a division between participants seeking partners for an alternative, supplementary or complementary relationship with others and those seeking sexual adventures involving multiple couplings such as group sex gang-bangs etc..

MMF relations appear to be the boundary line yet can exist within both contexts. For some it is the boundary line they feel they do not wish to cross; for others it is the threshold they must cross. One more M in an MMF relationship becomes a gang-bang; one less M becomes a marriage.

If I am correct, then I should not have been surprised at the anger about some of my postings. As a suporter of people drawing clear boundary lines, I do not pass any moral or ethical judgement on anyone's choices.

But I am now better aware that one exists.

I would appreciate others comments on these observations."

I think it was more your line of "Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help." that got the reaction you had, which wasn't an angry reaction, it was people giving their views on what you were wrongly assuming.....you didn't say some men in your statement.

Also you told people what they should discuss on a later post you made. It doesn't work that way as you know.

If a question is posed as a general enquiry rather than sounding derogatory I think a thread would stay a discussion rather than people feeling the need to defend themselves and why there will be lots of answers of " it is our preference" rather than people answering with their reasons on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we only do mmf as the mrs dont want the female touching her as they all do if we ever done a mmff plus she calls the shots and its what she wants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I think it was more your line of "Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help." that got the reaction you had, which wasn't an angry reaction, it was people giving their views on what you were wrongly assuming.....you didn't say some men in your statement.

Also you told people what they should discuss on a later post you made. It doesn't work that way as you know.

If a question is posed as a general enquiry rather than sounding derogatory I think a thread would stay a discussion rather than people feeling the need to defend themselves and why there will be lots of answers of " it is our preference" rather than people answering with their reasons on it.

"

Am I being unfair or unreasonable in claiming that men (in general) do not always satisfy women? Although I was mainly concentrating on women with powerful sexual drives.

I don't think I ever said anything about what people should discuss. I did point out that the thread was aboout MMF relationships, so I didn't feel it should expand into FFM relationships other than as a comparison.

I didn't initiate this thread only contributed to it. But it has been interesting.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"

I think it was more your line of "Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help." that got the reaction you had, which wasn't an angry reaction, it was people giving their views on what you were wrongly assuming.....you didn't say some men in your statement.

Also you told people what they should discuss on a later post you made. It doesn't work that way as you know.

If a question is posed as a general enquiry rather than sounding derogatory I think a thread would stay a discussion rather than people feeling the need to defend themselves and why there will be lots of answers of " it is our preference" rather than people answering with their reasons on it.

Am I being unfair or unreasonable in claiming that men (in general) do not always satisfy women? Although I was mainly concentrating on women with powerful sexual drives.

I don't think I ever said anything about what people should discuss. I did point out that the thread was aboout MMF relationships, so I didn't feel it should expand into FFM relationships other than as a comparison.

I didn't initiate this thread only contributed to it. But it has been interesting."

Yes, I do think that you're being totally unreasonable in making that sweeping and inaccurate assumption - it isn't about being satisfied by your partner - it's about having 'extra' - just more of a good thing (in my opinion that is!) Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Yes, I do think that you're being totally unreasonable in making that sweeping and inaccurate assumption - it isn't about being satisfied by your partner - it's about having 'extra' - just more of a good thing (in my opinion that is!) Z"

I accept that it was too general statement. I think MMF relationships have a number of reasons and work at a lot of different levels too.

The obvious one is just fun. For some couple an extra partner is all that is needed.

But I have met women who could not survive within a standard monogamous relationship. MMF relationships were one of a number of methods they handled their powerful sexual drives. Not the only one of course.

I suppose I am highly conscious of such women and recognise the need of many, especially men, to recognise such situations exist. I fear judgmentalm opinions can cause an lot more pain than is often imagined.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"

I think it was more your line of "Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help." that got the reaction you had, which wasn't an angry reaction, it was people giving their views on what you were wrongly assuming.....you didn't say some men in your statement.

Also you told people what they should discuss on a later post you made. It doesn't work that way as you know.

If a question is posed as a general enquiry rather than sounding derogatory I think a thread would stay a discussion rather than people feeling the need to defend themselves and why there will be lots of answers of " it is our preference" rather than people answering with their reasons on it.

Am I being unfair or unreasonable in claiming that men (in general) do not always satisfy women? Although I was mainly concentrating on women with powerful sexual drives.

I don't think I ever said anything about what people should discuss. I did point out that the thread was aboout MMF relationships, so I didn't feel it should expand into FFM relationships other than as a comparison.

I didn't initiate this thread only contributed to it. But it has been interesting."

Yes I think it is unfair to assume that all men can't satisfy women....you are assuming an awful lot.

No one would ever be able to satisfy me the way my OH does, as we are in a relationship and he knows me inside and out in every way. No person turning up for a MFM will ever be able to come close to satisfying me the same way, but I do get two cocks to play with for a few hours.

Adding someone into the equation for a bit of extra fun doesn't mean anything other than......adding someone else into the mix for a bit of extra fun, just the same as couples do with other couples etc.

You can't really decide how a thread pans out, as none ever stay on the same subject, but as FFM was mentioned on the first post then it wouldn't be unsual to mention it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"If we could be so bold to ask, but we've noticed this on quite a lot of profiles so why do some couples only do MMF with the exception of anything else?

Where as on the other hand there are hardly any couple profiles that we've seen (like almost none that we can think of) that are looking for FFM only.

Most likely we'll get told to mind our own business for some reason for asking this lol, but are the guys in these couples actually swingers.

"

actually this really made me laugh.... so you must have missed all those couples looking for that "single bi fem"....

in fact I'll go further and bet you there are probably more couples on here wanting that single bi fem, then there are wanting single men.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Yes I think it is unfair to assume that all men can't satisfy women....you are assuming an awful lot.

No one would ever be able to satisfy me the way my OH does, as we are in a relationship and he knows me inside and out in every way. No person turning up for a MFM will ever be able to come close to satisfying me the same way, but I do get two cocks to play with for a few hours.

Adding someone into the equation for a bit of extra fun doesn't mean anything other than......adding someone else into the mix for a bit of extra fun, just the same as couples do with other couples etc.

You can't really decide how a thread pans out, as none ever stay on the same subject, but as FFM was mentioned on the first post then it wouldn't be unsual to mention it."

When I made my original controversial contribution, it was only meant as a partial explanation or MMF relationships.

What you have written, I took for granted as needing unsaid.

In my mind were the situations when women were not always satisfied by the men they were in relationships with. some were looking for more without their partner's knowledge others had discussed with their partnersand made arrangements with their full knowledge.

It is in this context, that felt men should recognise some women's sexual needs and admit they cannot always satisfy.

I fear we are comparing two entirely different types of situations.

I approached this like a discussion rather than an analytical statement requiring each point to be verified.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

Glashunter - you keep going on about guys not being able to satisfy their partners which is why the lady needs extra - I don't think it's a case of that in most instances - they can be satisfied but also want another guy - may be it's being greedy, may be it's wanting extra fun - you aren't a woman so you aren't in the best position to make these sweeping generalisations! Z

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"

Yes I think it is unfair to assume that all men can't satisfy women....you are assuming an awful lot.

No one would ever be able to satisfy me the way my OH does, as we are in a relationship and he knows me inside and out in every way. No person turning up for a MFM will ever be able to come close to satisfying me the same way, but I do get two cocks to play with for a few hours.

Adding someone into the equation for a bit of extra fun doesn't mean anything other than......adding someone else into the mix for a bit of extra fun, just the same as couples do with other couples etc.

You can't really decide how a thread pans out, as none ever stay on the same subject, but as FFM was mentioned on the first post then it wouldn't be unsual to mention it.

When I made my original controversial contribution, it was only meant as a partial explanation or MMF relationships.

What you have written, I took for granted as needing unsaid.

In my mind were the situations when women were not always satisfied by the men they were in relationships with. some were looking for more without their partner's knowledge others had discussed with their partnersand made arrangements with their full knowledge.

It is in this context, that felt men should recognise some women's sexual needs and admit they cannot always satisfy.

I fear we are comparing two entirely different types of situations.

I approached this like a discussion rather than an analytical statement requiring each point to be verified."

Then maybe it would be wise to say exactly what you mean rather than get in a tangle of having people question your posts.

Summing it up, you have found with people YOU have spoken to or been in a situation in that not two situations are the same, some people have MFM because they are lacking something with their husbands, other people have them because they want extra fun, just like every other swinger on the site.

I have not spoken to anyone else about why they do any part of swinging, but I can say I would agree with what is above...not every situation is the same.

With respect though, I don't think you are in a position to answer what women think....only the ones you have spoken too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's funny how we see things differently.

I've never looked at MFM in terms of the male not being able to satisfy his partner!! To me I couldn't that working unless the husband is cuck!!

You'd have to have a happy, fulfilled and loving relationship to share your wife, and selfless to share her pleasure.

Who wouldn't want a hubby like that?!!

I bristled at the implication husband's needed a helping hand...and I don't have a husband!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

glashunter... what I will say is this...

if you think that people are here because there man doesn't satisfy them and that is the attitude that you take into potential meets then we look at swinging in two different ways... and if more men thing of the way that you do then I see more and more why single guys get a bad rep.....

for me... the couples I play with are the more secure ones...

the ones that see swinging as an extra in there relationship as oppose to a need that needs replacing.....

if I felt i was being use to replace something that wasn't there... I'd walk away.. I am there to have fun and for everyone to enjoy the experience.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I've stated throughout, I only touched on a partial aspect of the entire issue expecting others to add to the discussion on MMF relationships.

Unfortunately, I've had defend my point-of-view almost to the exclusion of being able to make a fully rounded contribution.

Some of this has included bizarre statements from women seeming to allege that I am accusing their husbands of not satisying them. I have made no uch claims.

The context of this discussion appears to have got lost -or not been shared by all the participants.

Some very interesting issues have come up though. I am beginning to believe I was right to see MMF relationships as forming a boundary line.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Some very interesting issues have come up though. I am beginning to believe I was right to see MMF relationships as forming a boundary line."

Please expand on this.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

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"

Some of this has included bizarre statements from women seeming to allege that I am accusing their husbands of not satisying them. I have made no uch claims.

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I think maybe you either need to re read your posts or rephrase them, as there are a few women on here who were offended by your suggestions......the last one not even having a husband flinched at what you had written.

Having opinions of what YOU had written isn't bizzare.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"Some of this has included bizarre statements from women seeming to allege that I am accusing their husbands of not satisying them. I have made no uch claims."

Yes you did in one of your earliest posts

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"Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

It's very easy to recognise that if your partner is satisfied, you should be satisfied too!"

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Isn't this meant to all be about fun for all concerned then? I must be missing the point too!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


""Some very interesting issues have come up though. I am beginning to believe I was right to see MMF relationships as forming a boundary line."

Please expand on this."

don't ask him to do this.... the lad has dug himself a hole so big he needs a JCB to escape at the moment.....

when I look at potential playmates.... I like to do some "backreading" on them, just to work out how they tick.... if they do this on him... well... hmmmm........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you read the entire thread, and understand my contributions within the context I have outlined I have made fair, reasonable statements based upon observations and experience.

That some people have read something else into them is impossible for me to explain.

I agree with most of the posts placed by others as they deal with issues other than the ones I addressed.

I was unaware that I was even making controversial statements. I thought that most of what said was widely shared.

Again and again, I have made clear that I have never passed moral or ethical judgement on anyone's relationships. Yet I am accused of this.

In my earlier post entitles THE BOUNDARY LINE it explains why I believe I have received this response.

My initial contributions were partial and more chat than analysis. That is why I have been surprised by the response.

I will not add any more to this thread. I believe what I have REALLY said is defensible. Unfortunatley, I feel further contributions will only place in a position where I have to defenc myself from other's interpretations of what I have said rather than address what I really said.

After all, it's all on the thread to check if you doubt me.

I really enjoy these Forums because discussion is a good thing so is disagreement. I have learned a lot from these postings.

It is time for others to contribute.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"glashunter... what I will say is this...

if you think that people are here because there man doesn't satisfy them and that is the attitude that you take into potential meets then we look at swinging in two different ways... and if more men thing of the way that you do then I see more and more why single guys get a bad rep.....

for me... the couples I play with are the more secure ones...

the ones that see swinging as an extra in there relationship as oppose to a need that needs replacing.....

if I felt i was being use to replace something that wasn't there... I'd walk away.. I am there to have fun and for everyone to enjoy the experience....."

I would agree with you 100% here. As a single i am not invited to replace anyone more to ad some extra excitement in a different direction. Couples who swing i have found are more than able to satisfy without the need for help and an extra male is to double the fun in a different direction.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

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"It's very enjoyable to see and hear your partner getting pleasure from another man.

It helps stimulate her so that later sex can be even more enjoyable.

Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

It's very easy to recognise that if your partner is satisfied, you should be satisfied too! "

I know we won't get an answer from you now as you are not going to contribute anymore......but this was your first post , most people since you posted this have been commenting on it as how they read it, and all seem to be in agreement of what they think.

I am not sure what there is for us all to get confused about unless you need to rephrase your post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some of this has included bizarre statements from women seeming to allege that I am accusing their husbands of not satisying them. I have made no uch claims.

Yes you did in one of your earliest posts

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"Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

It's very easy to recognise that if your partner is satisfied, you should be satisfied too!"

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Isn't this meant to all be about fun for all concerned then? I must be missing the point too! "

In the quoted point I wrote generally about the need for sexual acceptance of women's needs only to receive a welter of claims from individual women claiming that I said their husband's couldn't satisfy them.

The quotation has to be placed in context not taken out of it.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"If you read the entire thread, and understand my contributions within the context I have outlined I have made fair, reasonable statements based upon observations and experience.

That some people have read something else into them is impossible for me to explain. "

I, for one, didn't read anything else into this post of yours, other than what it said -

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"Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

It's very easy to recognise that if your partner is satisfied, you should be satisfied too!"

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It said to me, and many others, that you were saying men should admit they can't completely satisfy their women. Or is that not what you meant?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"Some of this has included bizarre statements from women seeming to allege that I am accusing their husbands of not satisying them. I have made no uch claims.

Yes you did in one of your earliest posts

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"Men should admit they can't completely satisfy, and that another man can help.

It's very easy to recognise that if your partner is satisfied, you should be satisfied too!"

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Isn't this meant to all be about fun for all concerned then? I must be missing the point too!

In the quoted point I wrote generally about the need for sexual acceptance of women's needs only to receive a welter of claims from individual women claiming that I said their husband's couldn't satisfy them.

The quotation has to be placed in context not taken out of it."

It was taken in context, the context of the thread and the way I understood your answer was the same as a lot of others did too, who, rightly so took a little offence to the generalisation you made!

Just my tuppence worth as usual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The simple answer is because it good, it’s adding something extra to what you already have, rather than replacing what you have, it’s also far easier to organise, as the attraction doesn’t have to be 4 ways, being a straight female I see a MMF as an added extra, and see swapping partners as exactly as its said, swapping partners, more of a change in scenery than an addition.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

bb.... now stop calling him out on what he wrote... remember people are allowed to have two seperate contridicting opinions to make themselves look good at all times!!!!

did you forget that bit!!!! lol

can I ask glashunter one last question....

so when you meet a couple, if you do, for a mmf, do you tell the male half that you are there because he wasn't "man enough" to be able to do the job himself?... if so how does that go down? I am guessing swimmingly

sorry... that was naughty of me and I apologise....but that is the attitude that is coming across, and i am sure of many that are reading this thread.....

if couples are swinging because it replaces something that isn't there then for me they are in it for the wrong reasons... as others have said it is an extension to there lives..

even as a single man, I see swinging as an extension to my life... no replacing any sex I may or may not get in vanilla-dom.....

maybe that is the difference between those who actually "get" the swinging scene, and those who don't

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

because that is all they want to do

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"bb.... now stop calling him out on what he wrote... remember people are allowed to have two seperate contridicting opinions to make themselves look good at all times!!!!

did you forget that bit!!!! lol"

Aye _abio, I do seem to forget that, on here, I am not meant to be sensible and read things the way they are written!

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By *ichNjudy OP   Couple
over a year ago

stoke on trent

HI folks

Hey some interesting opinions on here.

Sorry maddy for sounding like a reporter lol but thanks for not saying p~ss off we just thought the forums were a bit quiet so asked away

OK a couple of things - no one seems to have read our original post *exactly* regards FFMs. What we actually said is we hadn't found any (though no doubt there are a few) profiles who were looking for FFM *only*

But quite a lot looking for MMF only

We were not actually getting at the 'man can't satisfy his wife' but wondered whether that one would come up

From our own point, the couple of good friends we mentioned who almost exclusively do MMF the closest anyone came to their reasons they told us was this throwaway comment

'besides she's the boss and that's what she wants'

OK our friends have a natural dom/sub side to their relationship and inherrent in their personalities.

The fem is Dom, she's one of those lovley 'larger than life' characters and loves to dress provocatively as she can get away with even in vanilla situations.

Now she said to us that 'he (husband) always said he wanted a cum-slut for a wife so now he's got one'

When they do MMF it's not MMF in the sense of a 3-sum. As she puts it, she get's to play with the other male while he is 'allowed' to watch and as he likes to 'clean up' afterwards that's what he gets to do if he's been well behaved

Also afterwards then they have great sex on their own as a couple.

They sometimes go to parties or meet couples as a 'treat' for him she says

So that's what we wondered actually, whether most couples who prefer only MMF are in a cuckold type relationship or certainly a dom/sub one

We could also imagine a scenario where the fem was sub and being 'made' to slut herself for other guys?

Funny we thought a few others might have picked up on that but seeing as practically no one mention sub/dom role play then answering our own question - no not everyone does it for the same reasons

Nice to hear some opinions though

xxx

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

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We have answered many posts before now of what we get out of MFM and if your OP was worded differently we would have answered it differently.....ie what do you get out of MFM rather than " my husband can't understand why you do it"

Don't confuse cuckold with MFM though, they don't always go together and in this case it would be the furthest away from the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

iv run out of chocolate and cigarettes so apologies........

who really gives a shit? really if someone wants en extra man or twenty big deal it doesnt mean there a fault with the partner, the human mind is a wonderful thing and very imaginative and turnin fantasy to reality can be very hot!

does a couple usin sex toys mean they not hittin the mark? ( many a vibrator can be like a threesome without extra legs)

sometimes there underqualified analysing goes on a bit much in here! and at the end of the day, if thats what someone wants then good on them for not sticking to societies idea of what is right sexually!

whether it be mmm or fmm or lol or ffm as long as all parties are happy and up for it its no one elses business to say oh it because of this that and next thing!!

anyone in ayrshire area drop ten cigarettes and a dairy milk in..... xx

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"iv run out of chocolate and cigarettes so apologies........

who really gives a shit? really if someone wants en extra man or twenty big deal it doesnt mean there a fault with the partner, the human mind is a wonderful thing and very imaginative and turnin fantasy to reality can be very hot!

does a couple usin sex toys mean they not hittin the mark? ( many a vibrator can be like a threesome without extra legs)

sometimes there underqualified analysing goes on a bit much in here! and at the end of the day, if thats what someone wants then good on them for not sticking to societies idea of what is right sexually!

whether it be mmm or fmm or lol or ffm as long as all parties are happy and up for it its no one elses business to say oh it because of this that and next thing!!

anyone in ayrshire area drop ten cigarettes and a dairy milk in..... xx"

If I was nearer then I would drop them off anytime, just off out to buy some for myself

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"iv run out of chocolate and cigarettes so apologies........

who really gives a shit? really if someone wants en extra man or twenty big deal it doesnt mean there a fault with the partner, the human mind is a wonderful thing and very imaginative and turnin fantasy to reality can be very hot!

does a couple usin sex toys mean they not hittin the mark? ( many a vibrator can be like a threesome without extra legs)

sometimes there underqualified analysing goes on a bit much in here! and at the end of the day, if thats what someone wants then good on them for not sticking to societies idea of what is right sexually!

whether it be mmm or fmm or lol or ffm as long as all parties are happy and up for it its no one elses business to say oh it because of this that and next thing!!

anyone in ayrshire area drop ten cigarettes and a dairy milk in..... xx"

Hear hear!

(what kind of cigs?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

any i dont care!! and dont analyse that its my nicotine addiction that rules me!!

society says its not normal!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well we have had MMF and FFM(and once FFFM!).

The FFM do happen less then the other way around unfortunately.But both seem to go through 'spates' of them if you knbow what I mean.

We have one guy who we have met for years now and we all get on well. He repects me (Alan) and does not try to 'show me how to satisfy her', in fact he usually goes home weak at the knees lol.

We have met some guys who seem to think that I can't satisfy my lady'!! They get shown the door!

Well one was a 24 year old 'squaddie' who was cocky as hell and was going to show me how to do it.He had already aranged to go to the pub afterwards !!!

That was so funny seeing him hardly able to stand and Suz wanting a lot more and had the 'Is that it?' look on her face lol. He didn't make it to the pub lol

When we do FFM, I am no stud but I pace myself. We all have fun and (so far) everyone is satisfied.

THe FFFM was a fluke and boy was that soemthing to remember! lol Yes I could hardly walk after lol.

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"any i dont care!! and dont analyse that its my nicotine addiction that rules me!!

society says its not normal!! xx "

Maybe something bad happened to you in your life that now makes you want to swing, smoke AND eat chocolate?

Do you think you're trying to cover/make up for a failure or disappointment in your life?

Or is it just that you fancy a shag, some chocolate and a ciggy??!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yup that sounds about right, now a shag whilst havin a cigarette then a bar of chocolate after it..... a few times... or maybe one to light and hold cigarette for me while 3 give me a good seeing too and another hand feedin me chocolate inbetween cigarettes.... !! xx

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By *ichNjudy OP   Couple
over a year ago

stoke on trent

hmmm no wine glass between the toes??

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By *ensualfire88Man
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"yup that sounds about right, now a shag whilst havin a cigarette then a bar of chocolate after it..... a few times... or maybe one to light and hold cigarette for me while 3 give me a good seeing too and another hand feedin me chocolate inbetween cigarettes.... !! xx"

Best i get 20 cigs, 10 will run out fast.

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

What a bizarre thread Anyway, I don't think people should justify their sexual tastes or reasons to anyone!!! if people don't like someone's sexual taste, move on!!! it shouldn't be open to discussion simples!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"hmmm no wine glass between the toes??"

bloody deviant!!

lol no feet touchin yuck yuck!! xx

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"What a bizarre thread Anyway, I don't think people should justify their sexual tastes or reasons to anyone!!! if people don't like someone's sexual taste, move on!!! it shouldn't be open to discussion simples!!!! "

I do agree with you to a certain extent but some people have a very insular life and may feel that because they don't understand or appreciate a certain behaviour or scenario etc then it can't be good! Like saying that all modern art is terrible just because you don't like it - or jazz or whatever - shows a limited perspective of the world in my opinion! Z

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By *ichNjudy OP   Couple
over a year ago

stoke on trent

Honestly we didn't have any opinions good or bad, in fact believe it or not we are very non judgemental.

Simply this is a discussion forum so why not discuss, anyway it's bonk holiday and the weather is next to shite

xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What a bizarre thread Anyway, I don't think people should justify their sexual tastes or reasons to anyone!!! if people don't like someone's sexual taste, move on!!! it shouldn't be open to discussion simples!!!!

I do agree with you to a certain extent but some people have a very insular life and may feel that because they don't understand or appreciate a certain behaviour or scenario etc then it can't be good! Like saying that all modern art is terrible just because you don't like it - or jazz or whatever - shows a limited perspective of the world in my opinion! Z"

Fry for five minutes on each side and transfer to a cassrole dish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just C.B.A reading it all ... and YES I can spool casserole.

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"Simply this is a discussion forum so why not discuss"

Why should someone's sexual preference be discussed? no offence, but I get the impression you're asking people to explain / justify their preferences, as I mentioned, it shouldn't be open to discussion, just my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just C.B.A reading it all ... and YES I can spool casserole. "

what size of casserole dish do you have woman!! xx

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5


"Simply this is a discussion forum so why not discuss

Why should someone's sexual preference be discussed? no offence, but I get the impression you're asking people to explain / justify their preferences, as I mentioned, it shouldn't be open to discussion, just my opinion "

I agree

sometimes it feels like rich n judy and provacative are righting a book

as they ask such in depth probbing questions

well to me it does

But I am a little odd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am lucky my wife loves guys and gals,so we have fun with mmf or mff,in fact have mff this weds yipeeeeeeeeee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

did this a few times with folk i been in relationships with and folk i aint . i really couldnt put my finger on it but part of it for me was quite voyeuristic with the option to join in anytime too . was seeing pepole enjoying themselves guys and women and also curiosity the first time . i found a mmf more of a turn on that a mff , maybe that says more about me lol , not much of an answer there sorry but its hard to explain it lol

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5


"Simply this is a discussion forum so why not discuss

Why should someone's sexual preference be discussed? no offence, but I get the impression you're asking people to explain / justify their preferences, as I mentioned, it shouldn't be open to discussion, just my opinion

I agree

sometimes it feels like rich n judy and provacative are writing a book

as they ask such in depth probbing questions

well to me it does

But I am a little odd "

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By *ichNjudy OP   Couple
over a year ago

stoke on trent

Well we honestly don't want to antagonize you lovely lot so we'll shut up for a while instead

Probably we just think too much lol

xx

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By *ichNjudy OP   Couple
over a year ago

stoke on trent

But 90 replies in less that 24 hours - must have given someone some fun

xxxx

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5


"Well we honestly don't want to antagonize you lovely lot so we'll shut up for a while instead

Probably we just think too much lol

xx

"

Its probly just me

like I said

odd

or mad or both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MFM is what we like to call it with the girl in the middle makes a good sandwich. but do play with couples when we find them. hubby likes to watch me get pleasured in all ways. but does join in with the other lady. but so far have not met a single girl not for want of trying. so i get all the fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well we honestly don't want to antagonize you lovely lot so we'll shut up for a while instead

Probably we just think too much lol

xx

Its probly just me

like I said

odd

or mad or both"

both!! xx

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5


"Well we honestly don't want to antagonize you lovely lot so we'll shut up for a while instead

Probably we just think too much lol

xx

Its probly just me

like I said

odd

or mad or both

both!! xx"

least I admit it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well we honestly don't want to antagonize you lovely lot so we'll shut up for a while instead

Probably we just think too much lol

xx

Its probly just me

like I said

odd

or mad or both

both!! xx

least I admit it "

exactly! and that is what makes you who you are xx

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"But 90 replies in less that 24 hours - must have given someone some fun

xxxx"

but have to admit that most in reaction to the other dude posting that the main reason for couples doing MMF was because the F wasn't being satisfied by her partner! Z

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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago

Bridgend


"Well we honestly don't want to antagonize you lovely lot so we'll shut up for a while instead

Probably we just think too much lol

xx

"

Don't do that lol I love reading about what makes people tick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Simply this is a discussion forum so why not discuss

Why should someone's sexual preference be discussed? no offence, but I get the impression you're asking people to explain / justify their preferences, as I mentioned, it shouldn't be open to discussion, just my opinion

I agree

sometimes it feels like rich n judy and provacative are righting a book

as they ask such in depth probbing questions

well to me it does

But I am a little odd "

Oh dear: what does that make me as I agree with you!!

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"Simply this is a discussion forum so why not discuss

Why should someone's sexual preference be discussed? no offence, but I get the impression you're asking people to explain / justify their preferences, as I mentioned, it shouldn't be open to discussion, just my opinion

I agree

sometimes it feels like rich n judy and provacative are righting a book

as they ask such in depth probbing questions

well to me it does

But I am a little odd

Oh dear: what does that make me as I agree with you!! "

I think it makes you a person with a brain and an open mind? Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MMF is a treat for all the single guys out there, can't let couples and single girls have all the fun lol

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By *inups99Couple
over a year ago

manchester


"Ok we love MMF and very very rarely play with couples

We don't class ourselves as swingers either because I don't think we are,Im happy with that as I can't stand the term amyway

The reason we love MMF is because Rob loves to see me with another man/men and will only in exceptional cases want to play with another woman,and that would usually only be soft play

I love guys so its good with me

He does'nt see it as odd that the only person he wants to fuck is his wife,he very rarely comes across another woman that he would want to play with,if he does he knows he can

We each do what we want to do what turns us on sexually and what we feel comfy with,for us its more than enjoyable and will carry on having the huge amounts of fun playing the way we do

I prefer not to play with men that are part of a couple too,I just don't feel comfortable with it at all,don't know why but I just don't

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similar to our view really! wow - 2 people agreeing!!!

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

Bloody hell that was a long read!

Ok what about, and I’m only relating what is considered to be scientific factual discovery and so far as I know its fairly recent as in some years ago.

It seems not to make sense that the male partner of a female will tend to be turned on if another man mates with his female. This shows itself best in non-swinging life, for example when hubby finds out that his ‘so-called friend’ has slipped his wife one. Whilst wanting to beat her up for the betrayal he is also turned on by it!

Apparently the clever people have discovered ‘killer sperm’ in other words a human males ejaculate contains sperm for fertilisation and a, I think larger, percentage of ‘killer sperm’. The fertile sperms make their way to the egg but the killers hang around in the plumbing and wait. If another different load of sperm in injected the existing killers attack the fertile sperms of the new and different load.

It was suggested that the male ‘mate’ of the female is turned on by instinct so that he is driven to re-mate his female and thus boost the army of killers to take care of the infiltrators.

So a possible answer to the original question by the OP is that perhaps MMF is indeed more popular because it really is a natural turn-on driven by instinct. BUT this also implies that its more of a turn-on for the male partner than the female!

PS… Please don’t beat me up for this post as I said, I’m relating a TV documentary on human procreation science.

Be lucky,

Dave

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"Bloody hell that was a long read!

Ok what about, and I’m only relating what is considered to be scientific factual discovery and so far as I know its fairly recent as in some years ago.

It seems not to make sense that the male partner of a female will tend to be turned on if another man mates with his female. This shows itself best in non-swinging life, for example when hubby finds out that his ‘so-called friend’ has slipped his wife one. Whilst wanting to beat her up for the betrayal he is also turned on by it!

Apparently the clever people have discovered ‘killer sperm’ in other words a human males ejaculate contains sperm for fertilisation and a, I think larger, percentage of ‘killer sperm’. The fertile sperms make their way to the egg but the killers hang around in the plumbing and wait. If another different load of sperm in injected the existing killers attack the fertile sperms of the new and different load.

It was suggested that the male ‘mate’ of the female is turned on by instinct so that he is driven to re-mate his female and thus boost the army of killers to take care of the infiltrators.

So a possible answer to the original question by the OP is that perhaps MMF is indeed more popular because it really is a natural turn-on driven by instinct. BUT this also implies that its more of a turn-on for the male partner than the female!

PS… Please don’t beat me up for this post as I said, I’m relating a TV documentary on human procreation science.

Be lucky,

Dave

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The fundamental difference is that we don't do this to procreate - we do it for fun! Z

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford


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The fundamental difference is that we don't do this to procreate - we do it for fun! Z"

Surprising perhaps I fully understand that principal and I use the word ‘principal’ because that is all it is. Animal instinctive behaviour is always there to a greater or lesser amount regardless of whatever society or environment a species finds itself in. We enjoy sex ‘in principal’ for fun as well as procreation when required. The reason we are fundamentally programmed to enjoy it is primeval for the purpose of procreation and perpetuation of the species. If we did not enjoy sex then the human species would not exist… apparently.

Be lucky,

Dave

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"

The fundamental difference is that we don't do this to procreate - we do it for fun! Z

Surprising perhaps I fully understand that principal and I use the word ‘principal’ because that is all it is. Animal instinctive behaviour is always there to a greater or lesser amount regardless of whatever society or environment a species finds itself in. We enjoy sex ‘in principal’ for fun as well as procreation when required. The reason we are fundamentally programmed to enjoy it is primeval for the purpose of procreation and perpetuation of the species. If we did not enjoy sex then the human species would not exist… apparently.

Be lucky,

Dave

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I know what you mean but we're the only animals who have sex for fun - with the exception of a certain monkey and perhaps dolphins I think - we wouldn't have died out if we didn't enjoy it we would have just done it to breed - thats where the instincts kick in! Z

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford


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I know what you mean but we're the only animals who have sex for fun - with the exception of a certain monkey and perhaps dolphins I think - we wouldn't have died out if we didn't enjoy it we would have just done it to breed - thats where the instincts kick in! Z"

Yes I take your point, instinct does not explain bisexual or homosexual behaviour and this may be why it is sometimes said from a scientific point of view that homosexual behaviour could be some sort of medical issue (I stress that is only a talking point NOT my opinion!).

So it could be said that homosexuality and or bisexuality blows the instinctual out of the water but of course it doesn’t. The human species is living proof of the instinctual behaviour and homosexual/bisexual behaviour proves its own existence. But there is no reason why ‘I just want to’ and ‘I'm driven by instinct’ cannot run side-by-side but with one thing or the other showing up as a ‘trend’ as it appears that the MMF configuration for recreational sex SEEMS to show up as a ‘trend’ or perhaps is more popular than other configurations such as MFMF or FFM.

I’m not trying to sell an idea, fact or theory just speculating with an enquiring mind. I’m always interested as why we do any of the things we do that currently don’t have answers.

Be lucky,

Dave

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