FabSwingers.com forum: creampie, sloppy seconds..

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

just wanted to know if anyone had this experience of having sloppy seconds with a woman both comments from men and women appreciated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nope not for me but each to their own!

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By *aravancoupleMan
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love

Not for us safe sex only.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Not for us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ewwwwww...!!

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

"Ewwwwww...!!

Gross.......

Safe sex only here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No way always safe sex

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

it amazes me how many guys want to do this in an mmf situation

as with all of the rest on this thread - safe sex only please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

condom condom condom!!!!!!! cuts down on a lot of mess and hey we all are safe!!! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it amazes me how many guys want to do this in an mmf situation

as with all of the rest on this thread - safe sex only please

Did it many years ago in the early 80s pre HIV, it was great a real turn on. Would love to again but it's too risky. Shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same here, I have done it some years ago, found it rather naughty too.

But it's a fantasy that in my mind has to stay in the mind now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah, me... And if I ever get my hands on the bloody milkman I'll kill him!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dosnt appeal to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we have seen guys have done bareback we will never meet them and if the couple or single fem want it well what have they got?

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By *illyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

We both love the idea of it and it's a real turn on.

But as above the health risks are to great .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we have seen guys have done bareback we will never meet them and if the couple or single fem want it well what have they got?"

Loads on here have done bareback, and what have they got?

Children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i did this a long while ago with my then girlfriend and one of our closest friends (prob why it didnt work out lol ) to be honest i didnt like it too much not sure what she thought about it though . but i do think on a swing site and in these safe sex is always a good idea .its not really something i would do again .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not for us, and if another couple asked us for it, then we would block them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes shagaloony thats y u have not met any1 of here. loony ur

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yes shagaloony thats y u have not met any1 of here. loony ur"

erm, I've met a good few from here (and I thought single males didn't read profiles properly

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Of course, I'm not talking recently when I say I have done so, I'm talking some years ago when I was young and invincible

And as stated, wouldn't dream of doing so now as it's not a risk I would entertain, now I have children to think of and not just me, etc etc.

I'm willing to bet that a very high percentage here have done bareback with someone other then their husband/wife but wouldn't entertain it now, especially not through swinging.

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By *ord and ladyCouple
over a year ago

around Glasgow

"yes shagaloony thats y u have not met any1 of here. loony ur

erm, I've met a good few from here (and I thought single males didn't read profiles properly

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Of course, I'm not talking recently when I say I have done so, I'm talking some years ago when I was young and invincible

And as stated, wouldn't dream of doing so now as it's not a risk I would entertain, now I have children to think of and not just me, etc etc.

I'm willing to bet that a very high percentage here have done bareback with someone other then their husband/wife but wouldn't entertain it now, especially not through swinging.

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every guy has done bareback at one time in their life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yes shagaloony thats y u have not met any1 of here. loony ur

erm, I've met a good few from here (and I thought single males didn't read profiles properly

)

Of course, I'm not talking recently when I say I have done so, I'm talking some years ago when I was young and invincible

And as stated, wouldn't dream of doing so now as it's not a risk I would entertain, now I have children to think of and not just me, etc etc.

I'm willing to bet that a very high percentage here have done bareback with someone other then their husband/wife but wouldn't entertain it now, especially not through swinging.

every guy has done bareback at one time in their life

I don't think that's quite true, a close friend of mine tells me he has never done so.

I believe him, there's no reason for him to lie to me about that at all.

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By *aravancoupleMan
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love

Don't be Stupid

Don't be Silly

Put a Condom

On your Willy

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

Safe sex for me always BUT a question for the ladies why do some women let guys cum in their mouths???? Surely it is just as dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

swallowing spunk wont kill u

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

Really??? are you sure!!!!!!! Any transfer of infected bodily fluids is dangerous. It might not kill you but you can get other deseases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't be Stupid

Don't be Silly

Put a Condom

On your Willy

Rich in Paradise - FPI Project Good Italo House tune from the 90's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

boke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've not researched it but presumably even french kissing can pass on some STDs ?

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

penzance

"boke

BOKE ????????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would've loved to have been so uninhibited that I could have had two men bareback, in the pre-Aids days. But nowadays? No way! It will forever have to stay an unfulfilled fantasy

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By *ohjaneCouple
over a year ago

south staffs

Yes Jim

I have finally seen the "risks of oral sex" display up in the GUM clinic and both oral for ladies and gents as well as deep kissing can transfer chlamydia, gonorrhoea, herpes, HPV and HIV. That does not mean that it WILL, but it CAN.

The bit that bothers me is that guys who maintain that they have never had sex without a condom, usually don't put one on to be sucked, and they don't use a dental dam for oral with the ladies. The worst thing is that some of those guys also have NEVER been to a clinic for a check-up !! Somehow they think that because they have a girlfriend or a wife, and have bareback sex with them, and the poor girl hasn't come down with some dreadful symptom or other, they are safe as houses !!!

Lets all go to the clinic regularly, eh folks ??

Jane x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lets all go to the clinic regularly, eh folks ??

Jane x "

Well said! I couldn't agree more!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone know if they still stick that god-awful implement down the uretha of a man's penis? Last time I felt the need for a check up was about 18 years ago.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I have, its wonderful with the right people! Ladies love to be 69ed while been fucked doggy.

And please don’t all shout about safe sex, I know the vectors and risks and have regular checks (that means I get checked every 3mths and whenever I sleep with a new partner). Also if someone wants safe sex with me I use condoms dams and latex gloves to ensure no body fluid contact.

Funny how many think this is over the top but then have a fit if I ask them why bother with the condom for penetration if you are not using it as a contraceptive.

IMO there is only one form of safe sex, that’s masturbation LoL!

So if we are going to have a 3some, let’s have a filthy sucking fucking messy DP creampie snowballing session and if we push someone’s boundaries too far we can back off, but let's get down and wantonly dirty.

But then I admit to being Bi and kinky, funny how many “strait” guys both single and in couples mail me and want to play! LoL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have, its wonderful with the right people! Ladies love to be 69ed while been fucked doggy.

Funny how many think this is over the top but then have a fit if I ask them why bother with the condom for penetration if you are not using it as a contraceptive.

IMO there is only one form of safe sex, that’s masturbation LoL!

But then I admit to being Bi and kinky, funny how many “strait” guys both single and in couples mail me and want to play! LoL

i admire your honesty, but have a feeling you are going to end up on many block lists now!

you ae right that nothing is 100 percent safe, but surely you would want to minimise those risks as much as you can?????

the scenario you just described has actually made me heave, i dont think i will eat my crunchynut cornflakes now!!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

i admire your honesty, but have a feeling you are going to end up on many block lists now!

you ae right that nothing is 100 percent safe, but surely you would want to minimise those risks as much as you can?????

the scenario you just described has actually made me heave, i dont think i will eat my crunchynut cornflakes now!!"

You may well be right about the blocks; however I am just as honest on my profile so I am not saying anything that is not elsewhere.

What I would say in my defence against your comments about risks is my whole working life is about assessing and eliminating risks. As a result I have done my research, assessed the REAL risks, not the perceived risks and come to the conclusion that the way to reduce my risks and those of my partners is to be honest about my sexuality and my level of promiscuity with myself and my partners. Then we can make informed decisions rather than being blinded by hysterical propaganda spread by successive governments to abrogate themselves from their responsibilities and use fear as a tool for social engineering. IMO the best ways to ensure reduced risks are honesty, knowledge and regular health checks.

As for the scenario making you heave, I see from your profile you like group sex, so I have to ask am I talking to the strait male or bi curious female? And at what point in a natural progression from a group getting into bed together to a truly free for all orgy did you reach your boundary?

For some the limit is for a little heavy petting between the girls while the boys watch and then strait sex with their own partners (soft swing) to well a lot further than I would go (extreme pain ect) as I said the thing is if you are going to play, then why not explore your boundaries and if you don’t like something or you feel uncomfortable you always can stop and step back.

Finally I would point out that what may disgust you now may well become the most erotic fantasy going in the heat of he moment and it is nice to know that your partners are happy for you to go where your urges take you knowing that if they reach their limits they can say no.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

if a couple was so... that what came out of either of them was like crunchy nuts and milk I would not be going there in the first place!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i admire your honesty, but have a feeling you are going to end up on many block lists now!

you ae right that nothing is 100 percent safe, but surely you would want to minimise those risks as much as you can?????

the scenario you just described has actually made me heave, i dont think i will eat my crunchynut cornflakes now!!

You may well be right about the blocks; however I am just as honest on my profile so I am not saying anything that is not elsewhere.

I am the fem, you are right that we enjoy group sex, covered group sex that is. I do not swallow or allow people to cum in my mouth either in case you were wondering.

when on a one to one situation with my husband we do not use condoms, but if we were in a group situation and my husband was having sex with me before i was going to play with another person, then we would use a condom both out of respect for the other people, but also from a safety point of view.

You comment that you reduce the risks by being honest with your partners. I agree that you are giving them the option to WEIGH up the risks they are willing to take, but you are not reducing the risks.

the fact is that a lot can happen in the 3 months between each of your check ups, and in fact even as soon as the day after a check up you could be infected with something that has not yet shown up.

the only way a regular check up alone is going to protect you from catching anything is if both parties when deciding to have sex, are celibate for a set period of time, then undergo a barrage of tests, await the results and then if clear, go ahead EACH and every time they have sex.

i am however pleased that you are able consider the very real risk of life threatening illness caused unprotected sex nothing more than hysterical propaganda, it must make you sleep easier at night.

As for my partner and i, we are more than happy to let each other go where the urge takes us that is why we swing!

On a final note, i can assure you that neither having unprotected group sex or playing Russian roulette with a loaded pistol will ever find them at the top of my fantasy list.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I have read what you have said with interest, and also respect your views. But you seem to have misinterpreted or ignored much of what I have said.

I would ask you what you consider “safe sex”? You say that you do not swallow or allow people to cum in your mouth, I take it from that you do indulge in unprotected oral sex and heavy petting, is this correct?

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By *ohjaneCouple
over a year ago

south staffs

The fastest rate of spread of an STI at the moment is syphilis between bi women.

Never mind swallowing cum, just sucking a cock can transfer contagion.

Reducing risks is all very well, but eliminating risk is not possible if you have sex.

Jane x

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"The fastest rate of spread of an STI at the moment is syphilis between bi women.

Never mind swallowing cum, just sucking a cock can transfer contagion.

Reducing risks is all very well, but eliminating risk is not possible if you have sex.

Jane x

Well said! That was where I was going next, along with asking those who practice protected penetrative sex, but unprotected oral sex how often they got themselves screened? Bet most never do, because the condom protects them!

Ill keep playing the way I do with no illusions and for those who want me to wear a condom that’s OK, but Ill still treat them as if they play “oiu natural”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have read what you have said with interest, and also respect your views. But you seem to have misinterpreted or ignored much of what I have said.

Had you actually read what i have said in this thread from the start, i stated that nothing is 100 percent safe, i also stated that it is about minimising the risks.

We all cross the road, crossing the road has risks.

I chose to minimise those risks by crossing at the pedestrian crossing when the little green man is flashing.

By not using any protection you are running across a dual carriageway without looking.

The fact is, everyone can make their own choices about how safe they wish to make their sex lives, and no one is ever going to stop that.

However, people are also entitled to an opinion when someone publicly states that they indulge in what other considers to be extremely risky practices.

You opened you sex life to the debate by posting what you did about your activities, and so people will make judgements based on this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The fastest rate of spread of an STI at the moment is syphilis between bi women.

Never mind swallowing cum, just sucking a cock can transfer contagion.

Reducing risks is all very well, but eliminating risk is not possible if you have sex.

Jane x

As i have repeated numerous times now in this thead i do not believe that there is safe sex, however the majority of people in the swinging scene ( myself included) minimise those risks the best they can.

WE choose not to play with people who do not do this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The fastest rate of spread of an STI at the moment is syphilis between bi women.

Never mind swallowing cum, just sucking a cock can transfer contagion.

Reducing risks is all very well, but eliminating risk is not possible if you have sex.

Jane x

Ill keep playing the way I do with no illusions and for those who want me to wear a condom that’s OK, but Ill still treat them as if they play “oiu natural”.

errr how on earth can you know how often other people get tested?

we get tested as regularly as you, the difference being that we do not only rely on that!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

errr how on earth can you know how often other people get tested?

we get tested as regularly as you, the difference being that we do not only rely on that!

Because I always ask, and am continually amazed by the number of people who only use condoms for penetrative sex, but tell me that they don’t need to be tested because they practice safe sex.

Also I have been swinging since the early 90’s and have only once met a couple who use oral dams, and never met anyone who uses latex gloves. Further when I have asked people about the 2 killers, HIV and Hepatitis A, B and C I have been amazed by the lack of knowledge (that is medical knowledge), and their reliance on Government Propaganda.

As for your comment about my original post I would agree with you that I have left myself open to this discussion (after all this is about cream pie and sloppy seconds) but as you are voicing what many people will be thinking do not get upset when I hold a mirror up to allegedly safer conduct, asking searching questions and pointing out the errors in your supposedly safer sex.

You may well be one of the few who have truly researched the subject or be medically qualified and have chosen the condom and test road. I have researched the subject and chosen a different path. The sad fact is most are lead by government propaganda and do not know the infection vectors, cures or treatment windows for the infections we may catch. Personally getting myself checked every time I have a new partner and every 3 months no matter what is good enough for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

errr how on earth can you know how often other people get tested?

we get tested as regularly as you, the difference being that we do not only rely on that!

Because I always ask, and am continually amazed by the number of people who only use condoms for penetrative sex, but tell me that they don’t need to be tested because they practice safe sex.

i am not in the least upset by what you have said, not do i consider you to have pointed out any errors in our safer sex. we are well aware of the risks and have made the decision that we wish to minimise them by using condoms, we are not niave enough to think they give us 100 percent protection, but they are certainly safer than not using them!

another point you may wish to consider, many people would not play with you, covered or not - due to what us condom users consider your higher risk lifestyle, as sutch those you DO play with and who rarely get checked out may not be a fair representation of the safer sex brigade.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Well it’s only in the last 3 years or so that I have started playing Bi and it is less than 4 years since I started playing bareback.

I only started this after a lot of research that was confirmed for me by a GUM doctor.

Since then I have noticed that many couples/girls will not play any more. However I have found that sex is so much better with those that do.

It is my belief that this is because our play is a lot more open and less contrived. I do not know how much of this is the nature of uninhibited skin on skin play and how much is down to my emerging bi side. I do know that I am a lot less promiscuous, and that my partners seem to be the same.

But then you only have my word for that, I just wonder how many there are out there who play bareback but say they don’t in order to escape the hue and cry that is now being raised because I have stuck my head above the parapet.

Personally I never play with anyone who mails me saying that they do things their profile says they don’t do. But I must admit that I am beginning to change my mind about that.

Also having read the new thread you have started I wonder how many that play bareback would be willing to tell you?

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By *ohjaneCouple
over a year ago

south staffs

Well said Will.

Jane x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well it’s only in the last 3 years or so that I have started playing Bi and it is less than 4 years since I started playing bareback.

I only started this after a lot of research that was confirmed for me by a GUM doctor.

Since then I have noticed that many couples/girls will not play any more. However I have found that sex is so much better with those that do.

Personally I never play with anyone who mails me saying that they do things their profile says they don’t do. But I must admit that I am beginning to change my mind about that.

Also having read the new thread you have started I wonder how many that play bareback would be willing to tell you?

I agree that to some extent we all rely on peoples honesty, however i would bet more so in your situation.

I wonder how many people riddled with god knows what claim they are clean and recently tested, and then go on to have bareback sex with unsuspecting partners?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 18/02/10 15:37:57]"

Awww you have just deleted you post where you claim that us condom users are more likely to catch something from the disease ridden than you are!!!!!

As of that post, the whole debate has turned into a joke and so i will no longer be spending my sick day replying to such a farce.

Continue to persuade yourself of this, but you will not convince anyone else.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

It seems to me at least, that as I place myself outside the pail as far as most are concerned that it is a lot more lightly that you are the one that will be lied to.

The reason for this is simple, because you refuse to play with anyone that plays bareback, those who do but do not publicly admit this so that they will not be blacked by you (that is to say those who state they will only meet others who use condoms), will be opening their sexual negotiations with you with a lie. One lie leads to the next.

On the other hand, there is no need to lie to me, and because I have researched my subject and do have regular checks I know what to ask, and because I am starting from a position of honesty I am more lightly to receive honesty, that is just how human nature works.

Of course there are always exceptions to prove the rule, but because you start from your (and most peoples) perceived higher safety point than mine, you have all those attempting to circumvent your extra restrictions. Now I would suggest that those, and I quote “people riddled with god knows what claim they are clean and recently tested” will be more lightly to fall into the category of bareback players who claim to only use condoms. I would therefore respectfully suggest that you are the one who is more lightly to be exposed to god knows what, and because of your reliance on condoms it may be anything up to 3 months before you discover that you have been infected (in the case of HIV that takes you outside the AZT cure window). I on the other hand will be tested 15 days after sex with a new partner and if a NA test is positive, I will be starting the AZT course within the 28 day cure window. BTW we are the only country in the developed world that does not give AZT to all health and Security (police ambulance fire ect) workers who get a sharps injury at work. NICE did a long study and decided that the risks were so low that AZT would only be automatically given if there was definite contamination from a registered HIV positive person. At all other times a HIV test 15 days later is offered.

As I keep saying I have researched the subject and believe that condoms have been used by governments to abrogate their responsibility for the lack of sexual education and enlightenment.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"[Removed by poster at 18/02/10 15:37:57]

Awww you have just deleted you post where you claim that us condom users are more likely to catch something from the disease ridden than you are!!!!!

As of that post, the whole debate has turned into a joke and so i will no longer be spending my sick day replying to such a farce.

Continue to persuade yourself of this, but you will not convince anyone else.

Actually I decided to add a little more to the post, nothing more or less.LoL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 18/02/10 15:37:57]

Awww you have just deleted you post where you claim that us condom users are more likely to catch something from the disease ridden than you are!!!!!

As of that post, the whole debate has turned into a joke and so i will no longer be spending my sick day replying to such a farce.

Continue to persuade yourself of this, but you will not convince anyone else.

Actually I decided to add a little more to the post, nothing more or less.LoL "

this really is my finaL ost on this as it is getting daft.

firsty, YOU YOURSELF stated that you got tested every 3 months, now it is every 15 days.

secondly, if someone infected with anything wants sex, they are going to lie - as no one in their right mind would play with them, condom or not.

so they are as likely to lie to you and play bear back as they are to lie to me and play covered, the only diffeence is that i have an extra degree of protection than you do.

anyway, like i said, we do not play with you ( barebackers) and so it makes no difference to us what you chose to do.

fact is, if two people both have exactly the same sex life as eah other andboth get checkedregularly,only one uses a condom, it is the barebacker who will end up in tears.

feel free to carry on with your sex life, but please stop trying to convince others that it is a good thing, as that is just irresponsible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are so naive on here its untrue.

Does anyone on here actually look at what the risks are or have they researched infection rates in swingers????

Quite clearly the answer is no.

Arrogance to a subject you claim or think to know something about is laughable.

I have said in other bareback posts that we do sometimes engage in bareback fun....Does this make us unclean and unsafe??????

We both get checked regular and our doctors know what we do and we have a test each time we go the doctors just as a precaution, hey presto never had anything. We check regualr cause we do play bareback.

Do all you condom users ever get checked as regular as we do??? I very much doubt it. All the "anti bareback" brigade are just arrogant people who have no real clue of whats going on. I see replies saying i swap no bodily fluids but do OWO but never let them cum in my mouth as i know the risks!!! Does this mean you will allow youself to be fucked bareback as long as they dont cum in you lol

People really need to research whats going on in the swinging world and infection rates. Less than 1% of new HIV cases are spread through sex but instead through intravenous drug use and unclean needles.

Most people carry the diseases we are all afraid of but they veryu seldom become active in our system.

I await the arrogant peoples dismissal of what I have wrote but hey ho its them who are the fools for assuming they are right over a matter they clearly know feck all about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hmm got a feeling this thread is going the same way as many others when safe sex is mentioned , loads of blocks going to be flying about , if your honest your screwed if you lie your screwed , and in between it all is the abuse ohhh hwat happy happy days we have on here sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hmm got a feeling this thread is going the same way as many others when safe sex is mentioned , loads of blocks going to be flying about , if your honest your screwed if you lie your screwed , and in between it all is the abuse ohhh hwat happy happy days we have on here sometimes

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Waiting for the fonz to post now lol

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over a year ago

When I have a new girlfriend I use condoms until we have both been tested. I apply this to swinging to. If I use condoms with a girlfriend, someone I'm planning to stay with for a long time (never works out like that) then I'm sure as hell going to use them with people who by definition enjoy multiple partners with no commitment. I'd be upset and get no end of grief if I gave a gf something, but if you caught something when swinging, are you all certain you could identify what individual you caught it off? It's not like getting pregnant where you can date it.

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over a year ago

Waiting for the fonz to post now lol"

lol these threads serve a great purpose, all the barebackers come out in force and make themselves known.

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over a year ago

#My sexual habits have got us many a new friend but dont worry all us unclean will steer clear of you. after all you being the master race and being so perfect we wouldnt want to bring your little world down.

So here is a question, Do you do oral unprotected????

Simple yes or no answer will do.

Your answer here alone will show your true colours. You are either very very cautious and fair play if thats what you belive in or you will say yes you do do oral without protection which will then show you as someone who really needs to speak with a health care profeesional about the most effective way a sexual disease can be transmitted. and this is still very slim.

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over a year ago

your block list must be immense with you being so ignorant to facts lol

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over a year ago

"People are so naive on here its untrue.

Does anyone on here actually look at what the risks are or have they researched infection rates in swingers????

Quite clearly the answer is no.

Arrogance to a subject you claim or think to know something about is laughable.

I have said in other bareback posts that we do sometimes engage in bareback fun....Does this make us unclean and unsafe??????

Most people carry the diseases we are all afraid of but they veryu seldom become active in our system.

I await the arrogant peoples dismissal of what I have wrote but hey ho its them who are the fools for assuming they are right over a matter they clearly know feck all about."

I'm sorry to say, but your post in itself is rather very arrogant, assuming you know better than anyone else although I do agree with some things you say.

We use condoms, and are aware of STI's/STD's and how they can be passed around, but we choose to use condoms to help minimise the risk.

It would be silly for anyone using condoms to assume they are 100% safe and therefore not get checked out, especially if they do oral without a condom, the only problem I have known for many years was a guy that got gonorrhea through oral sex, he hadn't even had full sex, just received a blow job.

If people choose to take precautions by covering up, then it does reduce risk as it is more likely to contract STD's/STI's through full penetrative sex uncovered than it is through unprotected oral.

Basically, if people want to take risks, that's their choice, if people want to take precautions, then that too is their choice, so long as people are aware they are still best taking regular tests.

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over a year ago

its sad really when a discussion descends into name calling because it was going so well!

I agree with the taboo thing and wish people would be honest about it all. Then a choice could be made, an informed choice! You will always get people lying to get what they want, not just in swinging, but it strikes me as odd that a supposedly open and liberated passtime still has things like bareback that still considered unmentionable!

Maybe including it as a listable interest may help people be more open about how they prefer to play, maybe not, but i can only see its exclusion as driving it underground and that can't be good for anyone.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

This is a really interesting thread and I must say that wills posts are extremely well thought out and interesting - we do practice so called 'safe sex' and this won't change but there is definitely food for thought here. It's always a good to see other peoples opinions when they are as intelligent as that. Z

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

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ps - i don't why some people get so shirty when others offer their opinions and experiences etc - no ones trying to 'convert' any one! Z

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"#My sexual habits have got us many a new friend but dont worry all us unclean will steer clear of you. after all you being the master race and being so perfect we wouldnt want to bring your little world down.

So here is a question, Do you do oral unprotected????

Simple yes or no answer will do.

lol i would be glad indeed if you kepot away from me, thankyou for being so considerate.

secondly,had you read the thread, your question has already been ans!

thirdly, i do not haveto justify myself you you,but having nothing to hide i will answer your question.

yes, i do oral unprotected, yes, there is a risk in all sex, it is about minimising it.

fourthly, thankyou for your concern about my sexual health - it is a shame you do not have as much concern for our own and your partners, i regularly get tested and see the sexual health staff at my local hosptital, and guess what, i have nothing!

so there goes your generalisation that people who use condoms do not go to the clinic!

and err i will next go in about 6 weeks when i am due to go, not right now because someone who practices bareback sex recomonds me to!

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over a year ago

ok then so you do oral unprotected... would you allow someone to have sex with you bareback as long as they didnt cum in you??????

The highest risk of passing a disease onto anyone sexually is via oral sex!!!!

Anyone who catches a vineral disease was a carrier of that disease in the forst place!!!

Me and my partner have ever tested positive for anythig when we get checked so who is right who is worng?????

Do i condemn you for playing "protected" NO

yet you try and condemn me yet im as disease free as you.

you stand on your soap box and shout aloud against bareback yet you partake in the riskiest form of sex which is unprotected oral lol

A little contradictory if you ask me lol

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over a year ago

Cant buy a creampie anywhere in walsall for love nor money Q wonder who eat them all

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over a year ago

one more piece of food for thought. A woman goes into work and tells her workmates she had a guy round and he fucked her, came inside her, then the husband did the same.

Another woman goes to work and tells her workmates she had 5 strange guys fuck her one after another, but they did wear condoms.

Who will be thoughts worse of?

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over a year ago

The highest risk of passing a disease onto anyone sexually is via oral sex!!!!

you stand on your soap box and shout aloud against bareback yet you partake in the riskiest form of sex which is unprotected oral lol

A little contradictory if you ask me lol"

So you use a condom for oral and then take it off for penetrative sex?

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over a year ago

"ok then so you do oral unprotected... would you allow someone to have sex with you bareback as long as they didnt cum in you??????

The highest risk of passing a disease onto anyone sexually is via oral sex!!!!

Anyone who catches a vineral disease was a carrier of that disease in the forst place!!!

Me and my partner have ever tested positive for anythig when we get checked so who is right who is worng?????

Do i condemn you for playing "protected" NO

yet you try and condemn me yet im as disease free as you.

you stand on your soap box and shout aloud against bareback yet you partake in the riskiest form of sex which is unprotected oral lol

A little contradictory if you ask me lol"

no uncovered prick asside from my husbands is gong inside me? is that clear enough?????

you know, i am getting bored of going round in cirlces with you and others. if you want to beleive what you are saying, fine.

you have stated you will keep away from me , so we are all happy as larry.

if you wish to go ahead and do bareback, then fill your boots.

i will instead get on with replying to my pms.

xxxxxx

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over a year ago

deep breaths folks and off the high horses!!

at the end of the day it YOUR choice!!!

i dont do bareback i do go to GUM clinic every 6 months for mot (bit worried in case they say fanny needs a retread!)

its everyones on choice what they do and if its bareback or not so be it their choice!

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over a year ago

"ok then so you do oral unprotected... would you allow someone to have sex with you bareback as long as they didnt cum in you??????

The highest risk of passing a disease onto anyone sexually is via oral sex!!!!

Anyone who catches a vineral disease was a carrier of that disease in the forst place!!!

Me and my partner have ever tested positive for anythig when we get checked so who is right who is worng?????

Do i condemn you for playing "protected" NO

yet you try and condemn me yet im as disease free as you.

you stand on your soap box and shout aloud against bareback yet you partake in the riskiest form of sex which is unprotected oral lol

A little contradictory if you ask me lol

no uncovered prick asside from my husbands is gong inside me? is that clear enough?????

you know, i am getting bored of going round in cirlces with you and others. if you want to beleive what you are saying, fine.

you have stated you will keep away from me , so we are all happy as larry.

if you wish to go ahead and do bareback, then fill your boots.

i will instead get on with replying to my pms.

xxxxxx"
Jesus wept you got the prime minister involved now

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over a year ago

exactly! Be honest, get tested and stay safe!

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

i take aspirin for my pms Z

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over a year ago

I see from your response that you quite clearly cannot try to debate what im saying lol

You carry on replying to your pms and leave your thoughts on something you dont know about in your head.

I replied to a p[ost and you jump out saying you blocked me. well good for you lol

Know that iI have stated a quite clear fact about sexual health you dont like it what you hate even more is that you have sat here many a time and shouted down the barebackers on here as unclean unsafe swingers yet you do the most dangerous form of unprotected sex i.e oral

Im really giggling hard here now. Thanks for pointing out your need for sexual health education. I have already asked the site staff to get a sexual health expert in to answer questions for people lets hope they take it on board, then people can make informed decisions rather than jump the gun because "they think" there right.

I am not here to fall out with anyone but when somebody tries to make out they are safer and better than me when they quite clearly are not riles me.

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over a year ago

"ok then so you do oral unprotected... would you allow someone to have sex with you bareback as long as they didnt cum in you??????

The highest risk of passing a disease onto anyone sexually is via oral sex!!!!

Anyone who catches a vineral disease was a carrier of that disease in the forst place!!!

Me and my partner have ever tested positive for anythig when we get checked so who is right who is worng?????

Do i condemn you for playing "protected" NO

yet you try and condemn me yet im as disease free as you.

you stand on your soap box and shout aloud against bareback yet you partake in the riskiest form of sex which is unprotected oral lol

A little contradictory if you ask me lol

no uncovered prick asside from my husbands is gong inside me? is that clear enough?????

you know, i am getting bored of going round in cirlces with you and others. if you want to beleive what you are saying, fine.

you have stated you will keep away from me , so we are all happy as larry.

if you wish to go ahead and do bareback, then fill your boots.

i will instead get on with replying to my pms.

xxxxxxJesus wept you got the prime minister involved now"
i admit, that did make me laugh

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over a year ago

Oral sex is NOT the riskiest, there is a risk, but the fact so many people do use condoms for penetrative sex now, but not oral, it puts oral in the position of being a few percentages higher, however, uncovered penetrative sex is much more riskier than uncovered oral sex.

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over a year ago

"I see from your response that you quite clearly cannot try to debate what im saying lol

You carry on replying to your pms and leave your thoughts on something you dont know about in your head.

I replied to a p[ost and you jump out saying you blocked me. well good for you lol

I am not here to fall out with anyone but when somebody tries to make out they are safer and better than me when they quite clearly are not riles me."

no, i just believe that you have obviously convinced yourself, so it is a lost cause.

thanks again for your concern though

if you want to believe i am more at risk than you, go ahead.

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By *adchickCouple
over a year ago

Cyprus

"People are so naive on here its untrue."

Actually, I disagree. People on here are not generally naive, they just have their OWN opinions.

"Does anyone on here actually look at what the risks are or have they researched infection rates in swingers????

Quite clearly the answer is no."

Have you? Because if you have, I would like to see the figures (with the name of the supporting medical institution that publishes them) because it would be interesting to see.

"Arrogance to a subject you claim or think to know something about is laughable."

That is your perception. By the nature of the thread, emotions will run high with this kind of debate, I personally do not think arrogance is something that the 'condom brigade show'...... however, you are showing a huge amount of arrogance at the moment.

"I have said in other bareback posts that we do sometimes engage in bareback fun"

That is your perogative and in the interests of honesty, I trust that you tell everyone you swing with that you do sometimes play bareback.

"....Does this make us unclean and unsafe??????"

Only you know the answer to that. I personally know two barebackers who have herpes and refuse to tell anyone. They have known for months and swing most weeks. THEY by the reason of their dishonesty are unclean and unsafe. However, I also know someone who uses condoms and has chlymedia (or had it recently) and they carried on playing. That, in my book, also makes them clean and unsafe.

"We both get checked regular and our doctors know what we do and we have a test each time we go the doctors just as a precaution, hey presto never had anything."

The trouble is, even if you get checked every 3 months, in between one check saying you are clean and the next check being taken, you could, in the interests of the subject matter here, pick up something nasty and pass it on before your next test.

"We check regualr cause we do play bareback.

Do all you condom users ever get checked as regular as we do??? I very much doubt it."

That is pure generalisation on your part and displays the arrogance that you talk of. We have had threads on here about health checks before and, it would appear, that in general, most swingers get regular checks. I would like to bet that for every condom user who does NOT get check, there is a bareback who also does NOT get checked. Until facts and figures can be shown and proven, we are all guestimating here.

" All the "anti bareback" brigade are just arrogant people who have no real clue of whats going on."

NO, we are not.

That is insulting and smacks of the arrogance that you deride in others. You are personally offending people because of THEIR choices. I know others are trying to 'lay the blame' at others doors also, but your anger has shown your arrogance for real.

" I see replies saying i swap no bodily fluids but do OWO but never let them cum in my mouth as i know the risks!!! Does this mean you will allow youself to be fucked bareback as long as they dont cum in you lol"

This subject should be debated correctly. Not childishly and not with such generalised stupidity. Of course the 'condom brigade' do not play bareback as long as the person does not cum....... the 'condom brigade' use condoms to lessen whatever risks they forsee.

Many women to do swallow cum for a variety of reasons, if it is because they feel the risk is too great, that is THEIR perogative and you should not sneer at them because of it.

"People really need to research whats going on in the swinging world and infection rates. Less than 1% of new HIV cases are spread through sex but instead through intravenous drug use and unclean needles."

I totally agree with you, infection rates in swingers should be published but lets be honest, they wouldn't be a true reflection. How many people get tested but actually do NOT admit to being a swinger.

And we are not just talking HIV here now are we. We are talking syphillis, gonorehha, chlymedia, genital warts, herpes etc also. Which are all far easier to catch than HIV

"Most people carry the diseases we are all afraid of but they veryu seldom become active in our system."

I don't know if that is true, so I won't comment.

"I await the arrogant peoples dismissal of what I have wrote but hey ho its them who are the fools for assuming they are right over a matter they clearly know feck all about."

I object to being called arrogant and a fool.

You may have been placed on a lot of block lits now, but I very much doubt it is because you are barebackers. I suspect it has more to do with your attitude.

At the end of the day, the 'condom brigade' use them because they feel that they are able to minimise the risks of multiple partners far more than going bareback.

Barebackers don't use condoms for a variety of reason.

Some condom users won't interface with barebackers because they feel that the risks are too great. That is THEIR choice.

If a barebacker chooses only to play with barebackers, that is THEIR choice

Personally, we play with condoms, regardless of whatever risks are there, we TRY to minimise them as best WE can.

The problem is, it seems that every horror story about STI's you hear is due to those that won't use condoms.

After all, horror and doom and gloom sell........ happy happy doesn't.

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over a year ago

All STD's have different vectors ie mucus, saliva, veneral fluids, blood, anal, oral, vaginal. So what works for one may not work for the others. Funnily enough I have used flavoured condoms for a while and I've just read they're not so good for intercourse because the sugar in the flavourings can lead to yeast infections! You learn something new every day.

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over a year ago

I have just pm'd will about his post and I have even said in there he is far more legant in his replies than I am, Im more bull in china shop.

I didnt come on here and have a pop at any individual I was stating what can be quite cleary found by a little research.

WE dont alway play bareback and quite often play protected. As I have said We have never tested positive for anything. Does the fact you use condoms make you cleaner than a barebacker who has never had anything????

Many peoples response to the above would be yes the barebackers where not as safe.

how many married couple get checked together, ill mirror what another poster has posted. If a swingers wife gets the all clear at her 6 monthly MOT and she has no VD does it make him clean????

How many men honestly go to get tested?????

My post does look and sound arrogant. But I for one will not have anyone try and portray me or my partner as dirty or risk because of what we do. The fact that the couple who stated they blocked us because they seen we do bareback is just stupendous no matter what way you look at it.

if someone mails us and we are planning to meet, we tell them we do play bare back or protected its not set in stone.

And for the record all the people that have mailed us to meet have never turned us down for saying we do bareback in fact id say 90% said they prefer it to. but how many would admit it in open. As someone else has also said the fact people are trying to make barebacking seem seedy is going to drive it underground and make it more of a danger.

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over a year ago

Well Funpair2009, you made yourself look a prize pillock here, regardless of the subject, but well done you admitting that in your last post.

For every question you ask there, they could be directed right back at you, so all those you play bareback with could easily be telling you lies about check ups etc, this is why we choose to use some protection to help reduce the risks.

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over a year ago

Im big enough to admit I may be like a bull in a china shop lol

you havent come on here and tried to slate anyonr for bare back questioning there health etc.

Yet the person throwing all the insults partakes in the most dangerous form of unprotected sex.

Id rather play bareback for sex and protected for oral to minimise risks as it would minimise more than protected sex and unprotected bareback!!!

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over a year ago

"Im big enough to admit I may be like a bull in a china shop lol

you havent come on here and tried to slate anyonr for bare back questioning there health etc.

Yet the person throwing all the insults partakes in the most dangerous form of unprotected sex.

Id rather play bareback for sex and protected for oral to minimise risks as it would minimise more than protected sex and unprotected bareback!!!

Why the hell do you think oral is the most risky, it is NOT, not by a long shot.

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over a year ago

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No it doesn't but it does minimise OUR risks. Barebackers are more likely to catch something through penetrative sex than we are. It does NOT make us cleaner, it just reinforces OUR choices.

"Many peoples response to the above would be yes the barebackers where not as safe."

and you are more than likely correct.

"how many married couple get checked together, ill mirror what another poster has posted. If a swingers wife gets the all clear at her 6 monthly MOT and she has no VD does it make him clean???? "

That isn't really the issue at hand, however, everyone I know who gets checked, gets checked together.

If the wife is clean and the bloke isn't then they both get treated as not all tests show a positive result immediately. But then the people I know are experienced swingers with total respect for their sexual health.

"How many men honestly go to get tested?????"

How many women do?

If a husband cheats, does the wife go and get tested?

How many people change partners and don't get tested?

The list of questions on the 'testing' front alone, would come into hundreds. You can't guess at EVERY scenario.

"My post does look and sound arrogant. But I for one will not have anyone try and portray me or my partner as dirty or risk because of what we do. "

Then please stop labelling all the 'condom brigade' as hoity toity, arrogant, fools.

Unfortunately, by the nature of the subject, you and other barebackers, who are in the minority, will be labelled unclean..... that is something YOU have to deal with.

"The fact that the couple who stated they blocked us because they seen we do bareback is just stupendous no matter what way you look at it."

Actually, they are not alone. Many people on this and other sites will automatically block marrieds and barebackers without rhymn or reason. They do it to lessen THEIR risk. That is their choice and there is nothing you can do about it.

I block anyone who even mentions bareback or a partner in a mail and I make no bones about it. Many people trawl verifications on barebackers profiles and automatically block the verifiers as well.

That is THEIR choice and is not as uncommon as you seem to think.

"if someone mails us and we are planning to meet, we tell them we do play bare back or protected its not set in stone. "

Good on you for your honesty.

"And for the record all the people that have mailed us to meet have never turned us down for saying we do bareback in fact id say 90% said they prefer it to. "

Lots of people will just cut contact be, but then lots of people won't get in touch if your profiel says anything about barebacking.

" As someone else has also said the fact people are trying to make barebacking seem seedy is going to drive it underground and make it more of a danger."

Actually, I suspect that it has been underground for many years. Barebacking is not something MOST (and I'm generalising here) swingers consider, it is a CHOICE, like BDSM or foot fetish......... it is NOT the norm

Barebacking going underground won't make it any more dangerous, it will just seperate swingers with a divide.

And the bulk of the 'condom brigade' won't see that as a bad thing.

That facts are thus:

You and others are barebackers

Us and others are not

Us and others won't meet anyone who plays bareback

You and others are always having to defend your own CHOICE.

Perfect harmony is never going to be seen within our life time and we all have to learn to live with that.

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over a year ago

I like bare back, nothing like feeling how wet your partner gets or the thought that you will soon be filling her with you cum. However I do save this for when I'm in a relationship.

I think it is a sign of respect not to have to be asked to wear a condom at a meet, I'm doing it for my safety and yours, if you ask me to take it off then I will say no (as neither of us are likely to be throwing test result certificates around unless your in porn lol) and will have to think long and hard as to whether we carry on in any way.

Do what you want with your health but I will take the precautions I see fit to safe guard my health.

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over a year ago

its a bit of a daft qiestion to be honest, noone on heres going to admit to liking or doing it because the forum police will just rip them to bits for not using condoms lol

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over a year ago

yep jim kissing and oral sex can carry just as many beasties!!!!!!!!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

this really is my finaL ost on this as it is getting daft.

firsty, YOU YOURSELF stated that you got tested every 3 months, now it is every 15 days.

lol indeed.

it is always the case that those who are in the wrong resort to trying to insult the other party.

but go ahead.

and for the record,,, you were blocked hours ago!

go and play now

Even when I point out how ignorant your posts are you fail to answer a single point I make.

I quote your post and then quote my own earlier (first) post that proves how disingenuous you are being and rather than admitting that you made a mistake and apologising you attempt to claim some sort of victory because I call you an ignorant buffoon. In doing so prove my point! Well done!

In your last post quoting me but failing to answer any of my points, you prove your total lack of respect for anyone else’s views and your own self opinionated, over inflated image of yourself and your views.

I thus present your last post as total vindication of my previous post!

QED! LoL

BTW you are proving too easy to set up and knock down, I would not be gloating as so far all you are doing is making yourself look very stupid. LoL

Hint: If you quote someone you should really make sure you do so in context and address what they have said failure to do so leaves you open to all sorts of ridicule. LoL

Now you can ignore this post while quoting it at the top of your next last post aimed at me.

Next Post Please! LoL

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over a year ago

Would be nice if people could act like adults, after all, this is supposedly an Adult site.

This petty squabbling, and lack of debate, just little rants is laughable, all trying to point score, "I'm better than you because of this, and that".

Learn to act like Adults, debate like Adults, and then I wont be able to take the high ground, because right now, I'm feeling better than many.

please note, last bit of my post is tongue in cheek.

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over a year ago

This is going round in circles now so im closing it

It would have been fine if the name calling and insults had been left out of it as it was really interesting,but it has now been spoilt because emotions have run high and people have to resort to below the belt comments

As adults it never fails to amaze me on here that we can't have a reasonable debate without it resorting to chaos because people have differing opinions and can't accept each others gracefully

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