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"Do people think swinging proves to some extent that Monogamy is an unrealistic social construct?...discuss" Yes. Why have just 1 chocolate out of the box when you can try them all | |||
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"Ooh, that's an interesting one. I'll be watching this! " Me too, I forgot to mention though that it is NOT to be discussed between couples | |||
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"Do people think swinging proves to some extent that Monogamy is an unrealistic social construct?...discuss" If that was true, everyone would be swingers. But they're not. | |||
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"Do people think swinging proves to some extent that Monogamy is an unrealistic social construct?...discuss" Like most things in relationships it is what the two people involved in that relationship decide is best for them. some need monogamy, some don't, some don't even have sex and are ok with that. we are all different and it is a question of finding what works for you both, both agreeing and then sticking to it.... | |||
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"No. It doesn't. What is right for some is not for others. " | |||
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"We think sex with others is amazing fun, but it's a lifestyle choice ... not a 'fix' for boredom or broken relationships. You're either in or not ... you have to live it. There should never be jealousy or nerves (except the lovely nerves before a meet). " I agree, we didn't arrive at this point because it was getting boring either, totally the opposite! Up until that point we'd both been 100% monogomous and 100% faithful. (10 years) and we were perfectly happy like that, and could live happily like that for the rest of our lives. Now though, we're not monogamous but we are still 100% faithful. I think swinging would destroy more relationships than it would save if everyone tried it - there are a lot of insecure, unhappy people out there. D | |||
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"I think swinging would destroy more relationships than it would save if everyone tried it - there are a lot of insecure, unhappy people out there. D" I know ... it annoys the hell out of us how people treat each other because of their own dumb insecurities. Like .. "hmm, I'm insecure so I'm going to make my partner's life a living hell of jealousy and anger". Lots of people we know have had relationships like that. Absolutely pointless being together if you're not even allowed to check out someone else's ass! :D hehe. Restrictions on humans is never a good thing. I don't mean sex with others .. I mean simple things like still finding other people attractive. How many idiots genuinely believe their partner doesn't fancy anyone else? Oh well ... :D | |||
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"We think sex with others is amazing fun, but it's a lifestyle choice ... not a 'fix' for boredom or broken relationships. You're either in or not ... you have to live it. There should never be jealousy or nerves (except the lovely nerves before a meet). " Very true. Find it interesting that no one has mentioned couple that may be sexually incompatible though.. what about an open minded couple where one has a much higher sex drive than the other. Doesn't mean they are fixing a broken relationship necessarily. | |||
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"How many idiots genuinely believe their partner doesn't fancy anyone else? Oh well ... :D" I can HONESTLY, hand on heart say that I have never fancied another person since laying my eyes on my hubby!!! The playmates I've played with dont get me turned on by their appearance or manner, although I do need them to not be certain things (rude, controlling, tattooed, curvy for example). I get turned on by the knowledge my hubby likes to reclaim me. That's pretty much it. If we play mmf of course I love being full if cock but I've never fancied my playmates although I have found them handsome. So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! | |||
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"I think the level of trust needed and the security to resist the natural urges of jealousy make swinging unrealistic for most. For those who have it like us, it certainly adds a new dimension to your sex life C" Or perhaps they just find what they need in each other. Perhaps they don't need outsiders in their loving relationship! Jealousy has nothing to do with it really! | |||
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"So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! " You have sex with people you don't fancy? | |||
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"I think the level of trust needed and the security to resist the natural urges of jealousy make swinging unrealistic for most. For those who have it like us, it certainly adds a new dimension to your sex life C Or perhaps they just find what they need in each other. Perhaps they don't need outsiders in their loving relationship! Jealousy has nothing to do with it really!" Perhaps they don't, but I wouldn't use that to infer that all other couples do need outsiders. We don't 'need' to swing, we just enjoy it. I'd disagree about jealousy having nothing to do with it. I love watching or just knowing that Rachel is having sex with another guy or girl. It excites me more than playing with someone else myself. That's not to say there's no jealousy there. I'd say that it's the slight underlying jealousy, offset by the emotional security that comes with complete trust in your partner that makes it exciting. C | |||
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"I think the level of trust needed and the security to resist the natural urges of jealousy make swinging unrealistic for most. For those who have it like us, it certainly adds a new dimension to your sex life C Or perhaps they just find what they need in each other. Perhaps they don't need outsiders in their loving relationship! Jealousy has nothing to do with it really! Perhaps they don't, but I wouldn't use that to infer that all other couples do need outsiders. We don't 'need' to swing, we just enjoy it. I'd disagree about jealousy having nothing to do with it. I love watching or just knowing that Rachel is having sex with another guy or girl. It excites me more than playing with someone else myself. That's not to say there's no jealousy there. I'd say that it's the slight underlying jealousy, offset by the emotional security that comes with complete trust in your partner that makes it exciting. C" I find that really interesting. So many people say they feel no jealousy at all- I just don't understand that. Surely there must be just a tiny twinge of underlying jealousy like you say. I think it would make it more exciting in a way. | |||
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"Do people think swinging proves to some extent that Monogamy is an unrealistic social construct?...discuss" Monogamy is defined as "a form of marriage in which an individual has only one spouse during their lifetime" So in reality swinging reinforces a monogamous marriage by allowing each partner to practice sexual liberation within that marriage, (in many cases) negating the reasons for "cheating" on a partner and therefore preserving the marriage and reinforcing the concept that monogamy can and does exist within a "swinging" marriage. All of course depending on ones concept of monogamy which is a completely different discussion. In a lot of instances swinging and monogamy go hand in hand. | |||
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"How many idiots genuinely believe their partner doesn't fancy anyone else? Oh well ... :D I can HONESTLY, hand on heart say that I have never fancied another person since laying my eyes on my hubby!!! The playmates I've played with dont get me turned on by their appearance or manner, although I do need them to not be certain things (rude, controlling, tattooed, curvy for example). I get turned on by the knowledge my hubby likes to reclaim me. That's pretty much it. If we play mmf of course I love being full if cock but I've never fancied my playmates although I have found them handsome. So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! " | |||
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"I'd disagree about jealousy having nothing to do with it. I love watching or just knowing that Rachel is having sex with another guy or girl. It excites me more than playing with someone else myself. That's not to say there's no jealousy there. I'd say that it's the slight underlying jealousy, offset by the emotional security that comes with complete trust in your partner that makes it exciting. C" Agreed | |||
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"How many idiots genuinely believe their partner doesn't fancy anyone else? Oh well ... :D I can HONESTLY, hand on heart say that I have never fancied another person since laying my eyes on my hubby!!! The playmates I've played with dont get me turned on by their appearance or manner, although I do need them to not be certain things (rude, controlling, tattooed, curvy for example). I get turned on by the knowledge my hubby likes to reclaim me. That's pretty much it. If we play mmf of course I love being full if cock but I've never fancied my playmates although I have found them handsome. So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! " This is exactly how I am. I don't find others attractive really, it's the ACT itself that gets us going and playing with another couple. | |||
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"Do people think swinging proves to some extent that Monogamy is an unrealistic social construct?...discuss Monogamy is defined as "a form of marriage in which an individual has only one spouse during their lifetime" So in reality swinging reinforces a monogamous marriage by allowing each partner to practice sexual liberation within that marriage, (in many cases) negating the reasons for "cheating" on a partner and therefore preserving the marriage and reinforcing the concept that monogamy can and does exist within a "swinging" marriage. All of course depending on ones concept of monogamy which is a completely different discussion. In a lot of instances swinging and monogamy go hand in hand." So is cheating Swinging For One? | |||
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"How many idiots genuinely believe their partner doesn't fancy anyone else? Oh well ... :D I can HONESTLY, hand on heart say that I have never fancied another person since laying my eyes on my hubby!!! The playmates I've played with dont get me turned on by their appearance or manner, although I do need them to not be certain things (rude, controlling, tattooed, curvy for example). I get turned on by the knowledge my hubby likes to reclaim me. That's pretty much it. If we play mmf of course I love being full if cock but I've never fancied my playmates although I have found them handsome. So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! " You find them attractive, and fuck them. So you fancy them. What is your definition of fancying someone? You've confused me :D | |||
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" You find them attractive, and fuck them. So you fancy them. What is your definition of fancying someone? You've confused me :D" I think some people think 'fancy' have emotional connotations, rather than just being physical. Either that, or fancy is too strong a word to describe that attraction. | |||
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"So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! You have sex with people you don't fancy?" I've never been wowed by looking at someone since I met my husband so I've never fancied anyone I've played with. My playmates need to fulfill very strict guidelines for me to consider engaging in conversation with them, if I like their craic then I'll meet for a drink and if we click then I'll consider playing with them. So if you want to think I have sex with people I don't fancy that's factually correct but don't mistake that for not being selective (I don't get involved with people by conversation if I don't like the shape (yes the shape, not colour or number or condition or alignment, etc) and the ultimate hurdle is that I think there is chemistry there but that is purely physical and not emotional. When I fancy someone emotions are most definitely there! | |||
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"How many idiots genuinely believe their partner doesn't fancy anyone else? Oh well ... :D I can HONESTLY, hand on heart say that I have never fancied another person since laying my eyes on my hubby!!! The playmates I've played with dont get me turned on by their appearance or manner, although I do need them to not be certain things (rude, controlling, tattooed, curvy for example). I get turned on by the knowledge my hubby likes to reclaim me. That's pretty much it. If we play mmf of course I love being full if cock but I've never fancied my playmates although I have found them handsome. So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! This is exactly how I am. I don't find others attractive really, it's the ACT itself that gets us going and playing with another couple. " | |||
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"So I wouldn't think my hubby was an idiot for thinking I didn't fancy anyone else - because I don't and for the last 14yrs I never have! You have sex with people you don't fancy? I've never been wowed by looking at someone since I met my husband so I've never fancied anyone I've played with. My playmates need to fulfill very strict guidelines for me to consider engaging in conversation with them, if I like their craic then I'll meet for a drink and if we click then I'll consider playing with them. So if you want to think I have sex with people I don't fancy that's factually correct but don't mistake that for not being selective (I don't get involved with people by conversation if I don't like the shape (yes the shape, not colour or number or condition or alignment, etc) and the ultimate hurdle is that I think there is chemistry there but that is purely physical and not emotional. When I fancy someone emotions are most definitely there! " that's getting bogged down in semantics really though isn't it. I can easily fancy someone I have never met but I probably define the word fancy differently to you......and that is the prerogative of us both | |||
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"/ if you suddenly stopped thinking other people were hot after you met your partner, you just broke every natural law regarding sex haha. But to each their own, it's not something we'd ever do. Having sex with people we're not attracted to is just the opposite of doing what we do. Every girl we've had sex with has been beautiful and the guy we met was good looking too." As I've said, I don't engage in conversations with people off fab if I don't think they are good looking, plus a dozen other tick boxes they have to meet. With regards to breaking every natural law then I must have. I absolutely 100% have never walked past someone on the street and thought "ooooft!! Yes I WOULD" since I laid eyes on my hubby. Even actors, etc - I was so overwhelmed I found that nobody else even came close to turning me on. At times it would have been much easier if I had fancied folk as it must have sounded pretty suspicious at times when I insisted I'd never been attracted to anyone else! Plus it probably made my other half feel guilty at times for being attracted to other people when there's nothing wrong with that!! | |||
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"I think people are associating the word fancy with far more than I am. I mean to simply find them good looking. And if you fuck someone you do not think is good looking, well, that's not my idea of fun, but to each their own " (Y) well said. | |||
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"Do people think swinging proves to some extent that Monogamy is an unrealistic social construct?...discuss" No. I'm sure we aren't the only couple who can point to a lot of very happy monogamous couples we know as friends. Swinging isn't for everyone. I do not think a majority of couples would be able to handle the emotional side of swinging, and a similar number wouldn't see swinging as desirable to them in the first place. What swinging does demonstrate, however, is that non-monogamy is a genuine option. | |||
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" we're not monogamous but we are still 100% faithful. " I love this quote it totally describes our relationship. 22 years monogomous, 1 year swinging but always 100% faithful | |||
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"Do people think swinging proves to some extent that Monogamy is an unrealistic social construct?...discuss" study of anthrapological behaviour indicates that monogomy is indeed an anomaly for homo sapiens and a constraint inventedby religious dogma | |||
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"What a brilliant thread It's great to see so many intelligent opinions on this topic. I (Slinky) am new to the scene whereas Titus has been swinging for years. Ive struggled a little to learn what's appropriate and what isn't. I've never been with a man who wouldn't want to rip the head off another man who tried to touch me so it's all a bit of a revelation too be with someone who actively encourages it! Likewise it's taken me a while to get used to seeing him playing with other women but we're both really enjoying ourselves. We both have voracious sexual appetites and have both (sadly) cheated on previous partners but have agreed that cheating in this relationship would never be tolerated. We love playing together, we love the build up to it and the detailed discussions afterwards. I'm pleased to see other people admitting to occasional feelings of jealousy as this is something we've both felt to an extent but we try to be sensitive to the feelings of the other and the longer we're together the less of an issue this is. I agree with other posters, it is a lifestyle choice and some people believe in monogamy, some see swinging together as a form of monogamy (I think we do - provided we experience things together, we are still committed 'exclusively' to each other) and some dont believe in the concept of monogamy at all. I didn't until I met Titus Brilliant post - thank you OP x " Thank you and it's such a pleasure to see that the thread has done so far exactly what i hoped it would, start a stimulating and thought provoking discussion... I myself was undecided as to where swinging lies in relation to the conventions of traditional monogamous relationships. As said above, the only logical conclusion is that we all make our choices and stick to what works for us, and rightly so, while religion and some social constructs try to make everyone the same. Happy swinging!!! | |||
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"We think sex with others is amazing fun, but it's a lifestyle choice ... not a 'fix' for boredom or broken relationships. You're either in or not ... you have to live it. There should never be jealousy or nerves (except the lovely nerves before a meet). " I totally agree - I always get nervous before a meet - it's kinda like the butterflies on a first date I suppose - you want everyone to like everyone and it all to click (and actually that doesnt occur that often I suspect!) | |||
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