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"you can give the site feed back and suggest things like what you have mentioned and they review it and if it gets good results in the review they will add it to the site " You're not wrong. Just realised there's a section for it. | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" Yes quite agree. I'm pretty sick of my sent items being a sea of yellow, every one of which messages I've sent are thought out and perfectly polite and cheeky and funny and relevant ..... Women just don't meet on here. It is by and large a place for (other than genuine swinging couples) some women looking to have their egos stroked with all the messages but have no intention of chatting to anybody. You have to think maybe they are married or attached .. I certainly think a proper dating section for single profiles not couples would be a good thing, but I don't think it would yield more chat tbh. There are better places to get an actual date / meet. | |||
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"Oh also definitely don't spend too long on messages...I know that's what everyone says to do but realistically if they like your pics and you have a cheeky line that's probably gonna get a response " At a maximum I keep it to 2-3 lines. Usually with a question to initiate a conversation... And not dull small talk like "Hey how are you? / Up to much at the weekend? / Nice tits" But like I said initially, it's not about my messages, my profile etc... It's about making an improvement to this site for those seeking. | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms Yes quite agree. I'm pretty sick of my sent items being a sea of yellow, every one of which messages I've sent are thought out and perfectly polite and cheeky and funny and relevant ..... Women just don't meet on here. It is by and large a place for (other than genuine swinging couples) some women looking to have their egos stroked with all the messages but have no intention of chatting to anybody. You have to think maybe they are married or attached .. I certainly think a proper dating section for single profiles not couples would be a good thing, but I don't think it would yield more chat tbh. There are better places to get an actual date / meet. " Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too | |||
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"Personally I'd like to see more added to the search categories. I mean we all add height, body type to our profiles already. I'd like it if those filters could be used too. If we could all window shop by preferences it might help somewhat perhaps? It does feel a bit needle in a haystack trawling through profiles sometimes " i couldn't agree with you more, ironically i actually suggested this very idea to fab last night which is how I know you can send them suggestions lol | |||
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"Personally I'd like to see more added to the search categories. I mean we all add height, body type to our profiles already. I'd like it if those filters could be used too. If we could all window shop by preferences it might help somewhat perhaps? It does feel a bit needle in a haystack trawling through profiles sometimes i couldn't agree with you more, ironically i actually suggested this very idea to fab last night which is how I know you can send them suggestions lol" I also suggested it the other day, but as my post had zero responses I can't see them taking it on board any time soon | |||
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"Personally I'd like to see more added to the search categories. I mean we all add height, body type to our profiles already. I'd like it if those filters could be used too. If we could all window shop by preferences it might help somewhat perhaps? It does feel a bit needle in a haystack trawling through profiles sometimes i couldn't agree with you more, ironically i actually suggested this very idea to fab last night which is how I know you can send them suggestions lol I also suggested it the other day, but as my post had zero responses I can't see them taking it on board any time soon " where was it you requested it ? | |||
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"Personally I'd like to see more added to the search categories. I mean we all add height, body type to our profiles already. I'd like it if those filters could be used too. If we could all window shop by preferences it might help somewhat perhaps? It does feel a bit needle in a haystack trawling through profiles sometimes i couldn't agree with you more, ironically i actually suggested this very idea to fab last night which is how I know you can send them suggestions lol I also suggested it the other day, but as my post had zero responses I can't see them taking it on board any time soon where was it you requested it ?" In the site feedback section - if you green arrow me the post was 'search by category'. I mean change is very slow on the site. We all know this, but it's better to be proactive in at least giving constructive feedback, vs the folk who get out the no? | |||
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"Personally I'd like to see more added to the search categories. I mean we all add height, body type to our profiles already. I'd like it if those filters could be used too. If we could all window shop by preferences it might help somewhat perhaps? It does feel a bit needle in a haystack trawling through profiles sometimes " It seems, at best, silly for users to have provided all of this additional data that we could use to finely narrow searches to. It's obvious that we have personal preferences, so it's remiss of Fab to expect users to trawl through potentially huge lists of users, to filter out the unmatched. | |||
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"Personally I'd like to see more added to the search categories. I mean we all add height, body type to our profiles already. I'd like it if those filters could be used too. If we could all window shop by preferences it might help somewhat perhaps? It does feel a bit needle in a haystack trawling through profiles sometimes i couldn't agree with you more, ironically i actually suggested this very idea to fab last night which is how I know you can send them suggestions lol I also suggested it the other day, but as my post had zero responses I can't see them taking it on board any time soon where was it you requested it ? In the site feedback section - if you green arrow me the post was 'search by category'. I mean change is very slow on the site. We all know this, but it's better to be proactive in at least giving constructive feedback, vs the folk who get out the no? " ive sent you a pm cos im not sure what you mean | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too " Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !! | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" Oh it gets worse belive me lol | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !!" Is that directed at me? If it is I probably messaged as part of a forum game, or because I liked something on your profile? Or whatever unknown reason? But as you live 5hrs travel from me it was unlikely for more than that?... Not really sure why you've decided to raise it on here though? Above poster I'll PM you about the | |||
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"Thing is, I've got a decent amount of self-worth, and it's easier to get laid elsewhere, than it is to destroy my confidence by trying to hook up with randoms who I probably wouldn't notice in ordinary situations." This mindset is most likely why you don’t get anywhere.. | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" Why not just join T1nder? | |||
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"You’ve been on 3 years You have 3 pics - last one a cock pic, so the first pic you see. First impression and all that. Other pics aren’t recent. You state straight away you’re a photographer. Togs and masseurs are looked at dubiously on FAB as every guy is either/or. Your last veri was 2019. They might also be reasons for not getting replies… Your profile wording is good but I’m picking holes as people are quick to blame a site that provides the tools but it’s whether you use the tools available to increase the footfall, is usually where people fail. This site gives access to clubs, cam rooms, socials, forums too so plenty of opportunities to do something about it. K" Yes, I personally don't want to see the cock pic in a profile | |||
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"the site works fine fo me and our couples profile" ...Probably because you're a woman and have a couple's profile? | |||
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"I think every site is just a challenging. I was chatting with my osteopath yesterday. He's given up on here. I mentioned Tinder. He said he tried but got no matches. I honestly don't know why because he's a good looking guy and he's got a good personality. It's literally the numbers. " 100% this. As for those saying "This site will never change so deal with it" - Then I guess you settle for anything in life. Anything with a customer base has to evolve over time. | |||
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" Why not just join T1nder?" Is that a swinging app suited for kinks as well? | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms Why not just join T1nder?" If you like the tinder/bumble style of doing things leave and go there to find your dates/shags, there will be someone along to take your place here soon | |||
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"You’ve been on 3 years You have 3 pics - last one a cock pic, so the first pic you see. First impression and all that. Other pics aren’t recent. You state straight away you’re a photographer. Togs and masseurs are looked at dubiously on FAB as every guy is either/or. Your last veri was 2019. They might also be reasons for not getting replies… Your profile wording is good but I’m picking holes as people are quick to blame a site that provides the tools but it’s whether you use the tools available to increase the footfall, is usually where people fail. This site gives access to clubs, cam rooms, socials, forums too so plenty of opportunities to do something about it. K" Excellent, thanks for taking the time and energy to provide positive feedback. | |||
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"It's the way it is -- nothing will change because, while people spend their money here, where's the motivation for the admin to make any changes? I met a handful of women on an older profile -- this time around I foolishly kidded myself it would be different, but it isn't -- I'm just less inclined to bother now, which may be to do with getting older. Thing is, I've got a decent amount of self-worth, and it's easier to get laid elsewhere, than it is to destroy my confidence by trying to hook up with randoms who I probably wouldn't notice in ordinary situations. " That last paragraph seems lacking in respect both for women on here and your self... Though I get it's a recurring theme on here, men bitter that women they think should be thankful for the attention aren't interested. I personally suspect it's often because women pick up on that entitlement | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" Fab is essentially populated by two categories of swinger; people who use Fab to meet people, and people who use clubs to meet people. I live in an area devoid of clubs (it’s at least 1 1/2 hours drive in any direction to reach the nearest club), so people locally put more effort in to using Fab. You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? | |||
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"Ignore "views". The majority of single women and couples view in stealth mode (to stop the "I see you looked at my profile, wanna fuck?" messages) Then look at numbers. We get a minimum of ten offers each day. That's 300 a month. It's often more if we put up a pic or video. We meet no more than once each week, and half the time it's people we know. So we need, maybe two new guys each month. Under 1% of the offers we get are ever going to lead anywhere. (Bry)" I mean yeah, as I said in my original post... "Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable." | |||
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"I think every site is just a challenging. I was chatting with my osteopath yesterday. He's given up on here. I mentioned Tinder. He said he tried but got no matches. I honestly don't know why because he's a good looking guy and he's got a good personality. It's literally the numbers. 100% this. As for those saying "This site will never change so deal with it" - Then I guess you settle for anything in life. Anything with a customer base has to evolve over time." ——— Tbh the site has been running for over 10 years and works absolutely fine. I personally don’t see why it should change or how it really can change. Because it doesn’t work for some or because they keep getting rejected… Even if it has all the features, bells & whistles you want it to. It’s not going to change the fact someone either likes you or not. It’s the brutal truth. If you like how the other sites work then why not stick to those then. FAB is unique it’s not like the other sites, so adapt and learn how it works and you will have a better experience. Because it works for a lot of people. The key to it all is effort - work on your profile and get out there to clubs and socials. It’s not an instant thing swinging… *You have to learn to deal with rejection. That is an actually a massive part of swinging. If being told no is “soul destroying” - online then I’d worry what that would do to you in person at a club or a private meet. | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? " Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive. | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive." These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now. Just come to terms with the numerical make up of the site and you see you are just one in a thousand! | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive. These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now. Just come to terms with the numerical make up of the site and you see you are just one in a thousand!" Nice photos | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms Fab is essentially populated by two categories of swinger; people who use Fab to meet people, and people who use clubs to meet people. I live in an area devoid of clubs (it’s at least 1 1/2 hours drive in any direction to reach the nearest club), so people locally put more effort in to using Fab. You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? " There is a third category. Married blokes using it as a means of masturbation! | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive. These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now. Just come to terms with the numerical make up of the site and you see you are just one in a thousand! Nice photos" They are there for those I choose to show. That said I am not the one whining! | |||
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" You say you've been on here 3 years and one verification which is from the beginning which is off putting to some, " I joined and after about a year I was in a relationship for 2 years and she wasn't into this lifestyle. When we broke up, I rejoined after a few months. Aside from that, I appreciate the positive feedback: ) | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive. These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now. Just come to terms with the numerical make up of the site and you see you are just one in a thousand! Nice photos They are there for those I choose to show. That said I am not the one whining!" | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive." I’ve visited several clubs as a single male, and appreciate the cost of being the ‘most unwanted demographic in a swinger club’, but clubs are all about cliques, so once your face is known, I’m sure you’ll be fine | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive. These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now. Just come to terms with the numerical make up of the site and you see you are just one in a thousand!" most sensible post so far! | |||
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"Thing is, I've got a decent amount of self-worth, and it's easier to get laid elsewhere, than it is to destroy my confidence by trying to hook up with randoms who I probably wouldn't notice in ordinary situations. This mindset is most likely why you don’t get anywhere.." Definitely this, also the fact that the profile and himself are telling a different story. If something seems dodgy about someone I straight away block without a second thought. Lies are a massive red flag for me | |||
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"Try being a woman, umpteen messages a day ranging from "hi", "fancy a shag", "can i get you pregnant", "what u wearing" Is it any wonder we hardly reply or even open a message " try being over 60 and getting "can i get you pregnant messages!!!!! lol | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" Social media is not a dating site. | |||
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"Try being a woman, umpteen messages a day ranging from "hi", "fancy a shag", "can i get you pregnant", "what u wearing" Is it any wonder we hardly reply or even open a message try being over 60 and getting "can i get you pregnant messages!!!!! lol " No? | |||
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"Ita a very hard place to be for single men as its genuinely a swinging app and most couple's want females to join them... Theres plenty of women like myself who wish to join couple's or up group fun if it comes up... You say you've been on here 3 years and one verification which is from the beginning which is off putting to some, if you've been on here sometime like myself I've been too lots of socials thats where I got my verifications from so I can only suggest you do that... It is like a needle in a haystack to meet someone and that both of yous click as such! It's an ongoing problem for all single guys so maybe not the best app for the majority of them... My best advice is possible go seek whatever your looking elsewhere I've heard you've more change there than here! " Plenty of couples want single males. We do. But we're fussy. We don't 'need' to add others to our sex life, its an occasional occurrence to add something different rather than something that happens week in week out. What many single males don't recognise is that people don't swing every day, every week or even every month. The fact we have a profile seems to indicate to some that we're always looking, despite it being made clear in our profile that we're not. Dating sites have a different mindset - if you're on rhere you're looking. Swinging sites don't work that way. We don't get hundreds of messages. We currently have 6 unanswered and probably have had about 50 in the last month, so its nor a case of messages getting lost or people not being able to get our attention - its just that there's no interest or attraction so we don't reply. We're not obliged to and anyone who expects a reply from anyone is setting themselves up for disappointment. Single males can and do succeed and do very well on here. But it takes patience, social skills, good profile creation, interesting pictures that draw the eye and above all - attention to detail. If your profile is dull you'll never get anywhere. Expecting people to message you to find out more, when there are enough detailed profiles out there to save extra hassle is pointless. The old adage of 'effort in equals results out is true', but it still guarantees nothing. If you can't attract interest in real life and engage with women and couples it'll be ten times harder online. That's the cold hard truth. A | |||
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"‘most unwanted demographic in a swinger club’" Not always true. We don't do to club nights where they don't allow single guys as it's single guys that we're specifically looking for when we go to clubs. (Bry) | |||
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"‘most unwanted demographic in a swinger club’ Not always true. We don't do to club nights where they don't allow single guys as it's single guys that we're specifically looking for when we go to clubs. (Bry)" I can only speak from my experiences, and only visited clubs on nights when single guys were 'allowed' in | |||
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"Too many guys (not all) on here who don't have a real clue about swinging and see it as a golden ticket to sex. It really doesn't work like that. The only real way to get swinger experiences is to go to place in real life where swingers hang out." 100% agree with this, no matter how match effort I put into my profile it will never be a better reflection of myself then meeting someone in person so a club or social event is the way forward for me. | |||
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"Too many guys (not all) on here who don't have a real clue about swinging and see it as a golden ticket to sex. It really doesn't work like that. The only real way to get swinger experiences is to go to place in real life where swingers hang out." Spot on xx | |||
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"Too many guys (not all) on here who don't have a real clue about swinging and see it as a golden ticket to sex. It really doesn't work like that. The only real way to get swinger experiences is to go to place in real life where swingers hang out." Absolutely 100% true | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !! Is that directed at me? If it is I probably messaged as part of a forum game, or because I liked something on your profile? Or whatever unknown reason? But as you live 5hrs travel from me it was unlikely for more than that?... Not really sure why you've decided to raise it on here though? Above poster I'll PM you about the " Yes its aimed at you, I cant bring it up any other way as you blocked me. You asked if I'd like to chat from the condom forum chat, you asked for pics, I asked which ones.....blocked, no reason or anything, do you know how frustrating that is, i/we were only going to chat !! | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !! Is that directed at me? If it is I probably messaged as part of a forum game, or because I liked something on your profile? Or whatever unknown reason? But as you live 5hrs travel from me it was unlikely for more than that?... Not really sure why you've decided to raise it on here though? Above poster I'll PM you about the Yes its aimed at you, I cant bring it up any other way as you blocked me. You asked if I'd like to chat from the condom forum chat, you asked for pics, I asked which ones.....blocked, no reason or anything, do you know how frustrating that is, i/we were only going to chat !!" Yea it might be a little frustrating if you got your hopes up, but the end of the day we can all change are minds if we want to, maby she see something on your profile that put her off who knows, she doesn't need to give an explanation if she doesn't want to it is what it is and holding a grudge trying to call her out on other threads is going to do nothing but make you look like another winner, just get over it and move on, your not doing yourself any favours. | |||
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"That last paragraph seems lacking in respect both for women on here and your self..." I would say the former is correct, I do not respect a significant number of the women I encounter on this website -- I have observed racism, sexism, biphobia, transphobia, extreme obesity, poor self-care, smoking, alcoholism, cheating, entitlement and so on. That's not me being entitled, it just means I say it how it is -- as such, I'm personally not interested. Unfortunately, the nature of the beast, is that many men target ALL women, regardless of how they perceive them. As a result, many women get dishonest messages telling them how beautiful they are etc. That leads to many women with a warped perspective on their value -- it's like repeatedly telling lemonade that it's really champagne. Men are guilty of causing this, so it's not anti-woman, it's a call to men to get a grip and to realise their own worth, to be selective, rather than willing to shag everything. Personally speaking, therefore, I would not destroy my self-confidence taking part in this charade. And yes, you could say it's disrespectful of me -- but it's merely an observation; I still believe people are deserving of good treatment. Good treatment also includes honesty and respecting space. When men lie to a woman to tell her she's better than they really think she is -- that is immoral, it's endemic, and it spoils the site for everyone genuine. | |||
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"That last paragraph seems lacking in respect both for women on here and your self... I would say the former is correct, I do not respect a significant number of the women I encounter on this website -- I have observed racism, sexism, biphobia, transphobia, extreme obesity, poor self-care, smoking, alcoholism, cheating, entitlement and so on. That's not me being entitled, it just means I say it how it is -- as such, I'm personally not interested. Unfortunately, the nature of the beast, is that many men target ALL women, regardless of how they perceive them. As a result, many women get dishonest messages telling them how beautiful they are etc. That leads to many women with a warped perspective on their value -- it's like repeatedly telling lemonade that it's really champagne. Men are guilty of causing this, so it's not anti-woman, it's a call to men to get a grip and to realise their own worth, to be selective, rather than willing to shag everything. Personally speaking, therefore, I would not destroy my self-confidence taking part in this charade. And yes, you could say it's disrespectful of me -- but it's merely an observation; I still believe people are deserving of good treatment. Good treatment also includes honesty and respecting space. When men lie to a woman to tell her she's better than they really think she is -- that is immoral, it's endemic, and it spoils the site for everyone genuine. " Well...someone woke up to shit in his cornflakes... | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" Clubs are the place to be these days | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !! Is that directed at me? If it is I probably messaged as part of a forum game, or because I liked something on your profile? Or whatever unknown reason? But as you live 5hrs travel from me it was unlikely for more than that?... Not really sure why you've decided to raise it on here though? Above poster I'll PM you about the Yes its aimed at you, I cant bring it up any other way as you blocked me. You asked if I'd like to chat from the condom forum chat, you asked for pics, I asked which ones.....blocked, no reason or anything, do you know how frustrating that is, i/we were only going to chat !! Yea it might be a little frustrating if you got your hopes up, but the end of the day we can all change are minds if we want to, maby she see something on your profile that put her off who knows, she doesn't need to give an explanation if she doesn't want to it is what it is and holding a grudge trying to call her out on other threads is going to do nothing but make you look like another winner, just get over it and move on, your not doing yourself any favours. " Let's get this straight, I just wondered why I got blocked ! She started the conversation I replied she replied I replied.. blocked All msgs were polite and current and I wasn't expecting any more than to talk to someone and maybe see and send some pics ! A meet never really crossed my mind as it appeared she was reasonably far away. How hard would it have been to just reply and say sorry but I realised this or that so talking is not worth it, ok fair enough but to block for no apparent reason just irritated me especially seeing as this was going to be my first conversation on here !! | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" Have you explored any other sites? May be better. BTW.. One reply out of 17 isn't bad. | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !! Is that directed at me? If it is I probably messaged as part of a forum game, or because I liked something on your profile? Or whatever unknown reason? But as you live 5hrs travel from me it was unlikely for more than that?... Not really sure why you've decided to raise it on here though? Above poster I'll PM you about the Yes its aimed at you, I cant bring it up any other way as you blocked me. You asked if I'd like to chat from the condom forum chat, you asked for pics, I asked which ones.....blocked, no reason or anything, do you know how frustrating that is, i/we were only going to chat !! Yea it might be a little frustrating if you got your hopes up, but the end of the day we can all change are minds if we want to, maby she see something on your profile that put her off who knows, she doesn't need to give an explanation if she doesn't want to it is what it is and holding a grudge trying to call her out on other threads is going to do nothing but make you look like another winner, just get over it and move on, your not doing yourself any favours. Let's get this straight, I just wondered why I got blocked ! She started the conversation I replied she replied I replied.. blocked All msgs were polite and current and I wasn't expecting any more than to talk to someone and maybe see and send some pics ! A meet never really crossed my mind as it appeared she was reasonably far away. How hard would it have been to just reply and say sorry but I realised this or that so talking is not worth it, ok fair enough but to block for no apparent reason just irritated me especially seeing as this was going to be my first conversation on here !!" She didn't want to talk anymore. She has a busy life. Just swallow the pain you're feeling and move on. I think every dude on here has probably encountered it, probably more than once. You can think IFS and buts all you like but it's just the way it goes. Doesn't mean they are entitled or anything. They just have other things they want to focus on. | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !! Is that directed at me? If it is I probably messaged as part of a forum game, or because I liked something on your profile? Or whatever unknown reason? But as you live 5hrs travel from me it was unlikely for more than that?... Not really sure why you've decided to raise it on here though? Above poster I'll PM you about the Yes its aimed at you, I cant bring it up any other way as you blocked me. You asked if I'd like to chat from the condom forum chat, you asked for pics, I asked which ones.....blocked, no reason or anything, do you know how frustrating that is, i/we were only going to chat !! Yea it might be a little frustrating if you got your hopes up, but the end of the day we can all change are minds if we want to, maby she see something on your profile that put her off who knows, she doesn't need to give an explanation if she doesn't want to it is what it is and holding a grudge trying to call her out on other threads is going to do nothing but make you look like another winner, just get over it and move on, your not doing yourself any favours. Let's get this straight, I just wondered why I got blocked ! She started the conversation I replied she replied I replied.. blocked All msgs were polite and current and I wasn't expecting any more than to talk to someone and maybe see and send some pics ! A meet never really crossed my mind as it appeared she was reasonably far away. How hard would it have been to just reply and say sorry but I realised this or that so talking is not worth it, ok fair enough but to block for no apparent reason just irritated me especially seeing as this was going to be my first conversation on here !!" You're confusing normal life, reasonable behaviour with fab which... Is a different set of social norms. | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !! Is that directed at me? If it is I probably messaged as part of a forum game, or because I liked something on your profile? Or whatever unknown reason? But as you live 5hrs travel from me it was unlikely for more than that?... Not really sure why you've decided to raise it on here though? Above poster I'll PM you about the Yes its aimed at you, I cant bring it up any other way as you blocked me. You asked if I'd like to chat from the condom forum chat, you asked for pics, I asked which ones.....blocked, no reason or anything, do you know how frustrating that is, i/we were only going to chat !! Yea it might be a little frustrating if you got your hopes up, but the end of the day we can all change are minds if we want to, maby she see something on your profile that put her off who knows, she doesn't need to give an explanation if she doesn't want to it is what it is and holding a grudge trying to call her out on other threads is going to do nothing but make you look like another winner, just get over it and move on, your not doing yourself any favours. Let's get this straight, I just wondered why I got blocked ! She started the conversation I replied she replied I replied.. blocked All msgs were polite and current and I wasn't expecting any more than to talk to someone and maybe see and send some pics ! A meet never really crossed my mind as it appeared she was reasonably far away. How hard would it have been to just reply and say sorry but I realised this or that so talking is not worth it, ok fair enough but to block for no apparent reason just irritated me especially seeing as this was going to be my first conversation on here !!" I probably come across to harsh when I replied earlier, I was in a rush sorry, the fact it would have been your first conversation on here would of made it a little harder on you that's to be expected, she probably just felt it easy to block and forget then it would have been to give an explanation alot of women on here get nothing but abuse when they try to be polite and say sorry not interested so it's possible she just didn't want to open the door to that, don't take it personally though, meeting in person at a club or social event is a far better way to meet people then use Fab as a way to keep in contact with those people that have seen the real you then you, you will then have a far better experience on here and once you have a good few verifications the occasional message will come your way from others. | |||
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"the site works fine fo me and our couples profile we are only here to meet 99% of the time its easy to navigate its easy to seek what your looking for ? i dont see why the site should change because of people not liking getting rejected after all thats what swinging is its a like or reject scene if you cant handle rejection then why stay ... men have it hard full stop and that wont change even if they change the site format there will always be alot more men than women the gap is getting wider and wider every week month year with less n less women and couples joining or leaving" I agree with this. I personally think the site works well but you have to use it for what it is and not try to use it as you would other sites. My observation would be that if your current approach isn’t working then you need to change it and keep iterating until you find something that works for you. As far as I can tell most people (ie men) do the same thing again and again and again and then wonder why nothing changes. | |||
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"I think every site is just a challenging. I was chatting with my osteopath yesterday. He's given up on here. I mentioned Tinder. He said he tried but got no matches. I honestly don't know why because he's a good looking guy and he's got a good personality. It's literally the numbers. 100% this. As for those saying "This site will never change so deal with it" - Then I guess you settle for anything in life. Anything with a customer base has to evolve over time. ——— Tbh the site has been running for over 10 years and works absolutely fine. I personally don’t see why it should change or how it really can change. Because it doesn’t work for some or because they keep getting rejected… Even if it has all the features, bells & whistles you want it to. It’s not going to change the fact someone either likes you or not. It’s the brutal truth. If you like how the other sites work then why not stick to those then. FAB is unique it’s not like the other sites, so adapt and learn how it works and you will have a better experience. Because it works for a lot of people. The key to it all is effort - work on your profile and get out there to clubs and socials. It’s not an instant thing swinging… *You have to learn to deal with rejection. That is an actually a massive part of swinging. If being told no is “soul destroying” - online then I’d worry what that would do to you in person at a club or a private meet. " This | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms" I genuinely can't see how this improves things for people other than single men? To be honest, it sounds like changevtgevsitevti a hook up site because that's how a lot of men use it, or at least attempt to use it? And ignores that swinging is about a bit more than swiping on a profile picture | |||
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" Clubs are the place to be these days " The only caveat with clubs being; do your research first, as not all clubs are friendly and welcoming towards single guys | |||
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" Clubs are the place to be these days The only caveat with clubs being; do your research first, as not all clubs are friendly and welcoming towards single guys " The club I go to is, it allows single guys in both nights it's open and during the day event that it holds just as long as you pre book so they can limit the numbers if needed, it's a really sociable club and as long as you have enough confidence to say a few hellos it doesn't take long before you speak up conversations with people | |||
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"Dunno what to tell you man, it's the same for 90 percent of single men here. The other 10 percent either being established long time members with all the veris or guys that look like Zac Efron. I literally saw a profile of a dude who joined about 2 months ago and he's already got about 7 veris from stunners the absolute swine" Sorry | |||
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"Dunno what to tell you man, it's the same for 90 percent of single men here. The other 10 percent either being established long time members with all the veris or guys that look like Zac Efron. I literally saw a profile of a dude who joined about 2 months ago and he's already got about 7 veris from stunners the absolute swine Sorry " Not you! But damn, wanna team up for some MMFs? Haha! | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms I genuinely can't see how this improves things for people other than single men? To be honest, it sounds like changevtgevsitevti a hook up site because that's how a lot of men use it, or at least attempt to use it? And ignores that swinging is about a bit more than swiping on a profile picture " As a couple, you wouldn't want to swipe left/right on couples/singles that show up and match your requirements - If you wanted to seek who's out there? Also what's changevtgevsitevti??? | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms I genuinely can't see how this improves things for people other than single men? To be honest, it sounds like changevtgevsitevti a hook up site because that's how a lot of men use it, or at least attempt to use it? And ignores that swinging is about a bit more than swiping on a profile picture As a couple, you wouldn't want to swipe left/right on couples/singles that show up and match your requirements - If you wanted to seek who's out there? Also what's changevtgevsitevti???" Its my useless fat fingers and very poor eyesight "change the site to" And when I was on here as a couple no, definitely not. What is written on a profile is at least as important as pictures. You are missing the point about swinging. It's not a hook up site. You are also missing the point that single blokes wanting to get laid may be the majority of profiles but they aren't the key demographic | |||
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" Its my useless fat fingers and very poor eyesight "change the site to" And when I was on here as a couple no, definitely not. What is written on a profile is at least as important as pictures. You are missing the point about swinging. It's not a hook up site. You are also missing the point that single blokes wanting to get laid may be the majority of profiles but they aren't the key demographic " Trust me - I don't see this as a hook-up site. My intention is to make connections (and as mentioned earlier, I can't visit clubs regularly due to work/life balance). | |||
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"43 views 17 messages sent (with face pics and quick intro message) 5 opened 1 reply Overall - Soul destroying experience Now I know couples and single F's are inundated and that's understandable. But surely FS can come up with an alternative way to match with people here? A Tinder/Bumble style swipe system that you can switch on if you are "seeking". - You only swipe right on the profiles that tick the boxes for you. - Any rejections, well you don't really know about them. And it's an easier experience than having to write intro messages and see they've been opened/un-opened. Just trying to think of a better experience on here for everyone, not just the single Ms I genuinely can't see how this improves things for people other than single men? To be honest, it sounds like changevtgevsitevti a hook up site because that's how a lot of men use it, or at least attempt to use it? And ignores that swinging is about a bit more than swiping on a profile picture As a couple, you wouldn't want to swipe left/right on couples/singles that show up and match your requirements - If you wanted to seek who's out there? Also what's changevtgevsitevti???" Personally I couldn’t think of anything worse on here than swiping along left and right. I would think there would be more complaints on here than you can imagine. I think that’s the main problem with apps that you swipe on is you just become disposable. In the sense a swipe and you’re gone. I can only speak for myself, but I’m pretty sure I’d have never met half the people that I have if it were through swiping. I’ve not matched the preferences and if meeting was through swiping then we would have never crossed paths. People look and search on here through various methods. Through the forum, maybe they’ve seen a new photo you’ve uploaded, it could have been on a category they were searching for… loads of ways people search. Having requirements that are to be matched through swiping is very black and white and from my experience swinging isn’t like that… | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive. These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now. Just come to terms with the numerical make up of the site and you see you are just one in a thousand! Nice photos" Maybe it's because you come across as a smarmy person. The answer is normally closer than you think, the "nice photos" comment says it all, to us. | |||
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" No alterations to the site will make it easier for you to get people to agree to meet you " I disagree, but that's your opinion | |||
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" Erm, I have met folk if I hit it off with someone, and to be honest I do my own fair share of messaging vs sitting around with my hands under my bum waiting on someone cropping up It doesn't change the fact that I still have to scroll through a sea of limited filter based info to try and find someone who A) I'm possibly interested in, and B) is likely to be interested in me too Oh yes you start a conversation and after 1 reply asking you to pick the first thing you'd like to see (other than face for the time being) You don't respond and then block that person for no apparent reason, no explanation and leave them sitting there thinking what did I do ? I only answered your msg with a choice !!" Expectations - Most people are not mutually compatible with most other people. So initially positive beginnings will lead to most of them dried up and probably blocks. Single men, especially, need to have realistic expectations here. | |||
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" Its my useless fat fingers and very poor eyesight "change the site to" And when I was on here as a couple no, definitely not. What is written on a profile is at least as important as pictures. You are missing the point about swinging. It's not a hook up site. You are also missing the point that single blokes wanting to get laid may be the majority of profiles but they aren't the key demographic Trust me - I don't see this as a hook-up site. My intention is to make connections (and as mentioned earlier, I can't visit clubs regularly due to work/life balance). " Well then you’ve got to make your profile the best it can be then - it’s the shop window for all to see | |||
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" Its my useless fat fingers and very poor eyesight "change the site to" And when I was on here as a couple no, definitely not. What is written on a profile is at least as important as pictures. You are missing the point about swinging. It's not a hook up site. You are also missing the point that single blokes wanting to get laid may be the majority of profiles but they aren't the key demographic Trust me - I don't see this as a hook-up site. My intention is to make connections (and as mentioned earlier, I can't visit clubs regularly due to work/life balance). " So why do you 1. Want it to be adapted to function like one? And 2. want people to swipe based on your aesthetic appeal? | |||
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" You (OP) live in Birmingham, with two clubs on your doorstep, and your only veri is from a club meet. Why get frustrated trying to meet people through Fab, when visiting a club clearly worked for you? Work/life balance most of all and also visiting clubs at single male rates gets expensive. These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now. Just come to terms with the numerical make up of the site and you see you are just one in a thousand! Nice photos Maybe it's because you come across as a smarmy person. The answer is normally closer than you think, the "nice photos" comment says it all, to us." Well I'm sure if somebody is negative with you, you respond? So when he said (also offering nothing constructive) " These woe is me threads from single blokes are getting a bit monotonous now." ...Well then I'll be negative back to him | |||
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" No alterations to the site will make it easier for you to get people to agree to meet you I disagree, but that's your opinion " So why would changing the site in the way you suggest make it easier for you? | |||
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"I wonder what this site costs to run. Because whilst it hosts large amounts of images, they’re poor quality. And the site is like one from the 90s. Given the amount of people who seem to be silver or gold members (seems to be the majority), I’m surprised the site is so incredibly basic. It’s essentially a simple database. " Agreed. | |||
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" So why do you 1. Want it to be adapted to function like one? And 2. want people to swipe based on your aesthetic appeal?" It's not solely about the aesthetic appeal - The profile also has a bio attached to it. Understand that I'm not saying FS should lose the main core of the site that it is.... I'm simply suggesting the swipe feature as another area to the site for those who are seeking. You don't HAVE to use it. | |||
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" So why do you 1. Want it to be adapted to function like one? And 2. want people to swipe based on your aesthetic appeal? It's not solely about the aesthetic appeal - The profile also has a bio attached to it. Understand that I'm not saying FS should lose the main core of the site that it is.... I'm simply suggesting the swipe feature as another area to the site for those who are seeking. You don't HAVE to use it." Given the majority of profiles on here don't have face pics (unlike the vanilla apps you've mentioned).....what are you swiping to say you like? Nice tits? Nice arse? Nice legs? What happens when you swipe and then later find out the face doesn't suit you or vice versa? You're back in the exact same boat you're in now. Making something relate more to visuals rather than the full package of images, words and specific details is where those apps struggle. And why single guys moan that women on them have an easy life, the pick of the bunch and that if you're not 'aesthetically pleasing on the eye' you get nowhere. Actually. That sounds like many a gripe in the forums..... A | |||
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