FabSwingers.com forum: HELP!!! CANT GET ARE FIND ONE MEET

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

Begging??????? Jeez lad, you can't be that desperate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

C'mon, how many 45 year old mums are out shopping at this time of night? Really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take a look at your own profile and ask yourself the following questions!

Is it doing you any justice?

Does it say enough about you?

Does it stand out in the crowd?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

c'mon ladies, form an orderly queue outside your local pound shop

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By *bony in IvoryCouple
over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

Tip in life ... Never beg it!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All major supermarkets are open 24 hours.

Baked bean section at midnight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"
. The 1's who get the easy meets and tons of verifications aint to fussy hun don't be fooled

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By *ing and RideCouple
over a year ago

stockport

And what makes them want to employ you, and what can you bring to our company, why would we employ you, sell yer self lad....FFS sounds like the job centre asking you.....have you filled in your job search profile this week? What have you applied for....jeez

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

Right direction? Try mums on their Big Shop day.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

lets all check if we veified anyone ....we could be easy !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz. The 1's who get the easy meets and tons of verifications aint to fussy hun don't be fooled

very true thanks xx

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Youre on a swinging site, as a single male, only to meet females. How much luck, I wonder, do you have meeting and shaggin women in life outside of fab? Did you expect fab to be easier, harder or about the same? Have you been to swinging clubs, to actually speak, in the flesh, with actual swingers? Right now, youve outlined nothing that thousands of others cant supply. They likely manage to sell themselves really well. Perhaps copy up samples of the messages that youve sent, so that we can give some feedback.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

. .just a wee bit of friendly advice . . .somethin my dad told me many years ago . . .son if they can fool you once but more fool them if fool you twice because if they fool you twice shame on you. . . .or somethin like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ain't too fussy ?

So those with lots of veri's and easy meets aren't fooling you huh ?

Well heres some news for you , they are too busy having fun to care what you think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

Look at me! Look at me!! Look at me!!!!! 'Yawn'

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

I hear Morrison's is the place to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

get to a club/party/social..

why hide ur only one verification?

its all ur choice of course, but then , I'm not having any problems..like lots of men on the site...even some guys who dont have pics are putting in the extra effort required to get meets...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ain't too fussy ?

So those with lots of veri's and easy meets aren't fooling you huh ?

Well heres some news for you , they are too busy having fun to care what you think

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. Ouch taken 2 heart a little there love calm down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All major supermarkets are open 24 hours.

Baked bean section at midnight.

Oh no what do you know about the beans lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

Competition, charmers, body builders and manipulators are but a few you have to compete with on here. There are a few who are very successful, there are many more who pretend to be and there are the frustrated too. As they say nothing comes easily and the best way to get noticed is to stand out and doing that is a personal individual things so no nicking my red paint theme mate. Good luck though and chill its easier if you don't stress.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ain't too fussy ?

So those with lots of veri's and easy meets aren't fooling you huh ?

Well heres some news for you , they are too busy having fun to care what you think

. Ouch taken 2 heart a little there love calm down

Perfectly calm here , just one of my pet hates , the holier than thou attitude from those who feel somewhat superior . It's a swinging site , and some enjoy lots of different meets , others a select few . The intimation that more means the standards drop , and the swinger isn't fussy , is a rude generalisation . The green smiley doesn't make it funny , you swing your way and others will swing theirs - judgement isn't necessary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ain't too fussy ?

So those with lots of veri's and easy meets aren't fooling you huh ?

Well heres some news for you , they are too busy having fun to care what you think

. Ouch taken 2 heart a little there love calm down

we'll see ur profile return.....again lol...

I think the taken to heart thing really does come from what u are looking for on the site, ur not really looking for people who have lots of meets...I suppose there may be a way of not coming over all dismissive and judgmental..u however arent...

just the facts, from a disgruntled swinger who likes shagging many people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz

Look at me! Look at me!! Look at me!!!!! 'Yawn'"

why? You're only yawning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A glib self promotional thread in my humble opinion. The OP loved the oxygen of the morrison's mum, and now that hubbub has quietened it's a pity me can't get a meet thread.

It's bollocks. ( that's my opinion / just like you each have your own)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A glib self promotional thread in my humble opinion. The OP loved the oxygen of the morrison's mum, and now that hubbub has quietened it's a pity me can't get a meet thread.

It's bollocks. ( that's my opinion / just like you each have your own)

how many look at me freds have you got?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A glib self promotional thread in my humble opinion. The OP loved the oxygen of the morrison's mum, and now that hubbub has quietened it's a pity me can't get a meet thread.

It's bollocks. ( that's my opinion / just like you each have your own)

how many look at me freds have you got?

About getting a meet, poor poor me?

Zero

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

Were you saying on another post that you'd just been shaggin your mate's 45 yr old mum outside Morrisons?

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By *issy louWoman
over a year ago

Staffordshire Moorlands

Basically, your profile is a bit rubbish to be honest, you have made no effort whatsoever with either pics or text. What do you expect? You get out of this site what you put in I'm afraid, and at the moment it doesn't look like you have put much in!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"A glib self promotional thread in my humble opinion. The OP loved the oxygen of the morrison's mum, and now that hubbub has quietened it's a pity me can't get a meet thread.

It's bollocks. ( that's my opinion / just like you each have your own)

how many look at me freds have you got?

About getting a meet, poor poor me?

Zero"

How about I've been blocked, poor, poor me threads?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Basically, your profile is a bit rubbish to be honest, you have made no effort whatsoever with either pics or text. What do you expect? You get out of this site what you put in I'm afraid, and at the moment it doesn't look like you have put much in!

At least he's got pics of something other than his knob. That gets a point for effort from me

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

Well, if you had a Profile worth looking st, instead of only 3 lines, you might get somewhere!

Invest in a facial pic or two but dump the cock picks for private use only.

Get onto the Forum pages, get to socials or clubs, anything to get yourself noticed. That is what you have to do .... SELL YOURSELF!!!!! You are up against so many other guys, so you have to stand out!

At the moment, you don't, hence people passing you by.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sex is gross anyway, you should probably avoid it.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Say this out loud:

"HELP!!! CANT GET ARE FIND ONE MEET"

And then you will know the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you can't be bothered to put any effort into your profile, then what's the sex going to be like? The only time I bother with single males is when I've read a profile and it blows me away.

Effort in = effort out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A glib self promotional thread in my humble opinion. The OP loved the oxygen of the morrison's mum, and now that hubbub has quietened it's a pity me can't get a meet thread.

It's bollocks. ( that's my opinion / just like you each have your own)

Have to agree, I thought the same when I saw this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A glib self promotional thread in my humble opinion. The OP loved the oxygen of the morrison's mum, and now that hubbub has quietened it's a pity me can't get a meet thread.

It's bollocks. ( that's my opinion / just like you each have your own)

Have to agree, I thought the same when I saw this."

Indeed. And this topic makes the Morrison's incident sound like a load of tosh too. If people think you are disingenuous then you won't get anywhere either in here or in life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I just say I don't shop at Morrisons - thank god!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I just say I don't shop at Morrisons - thank god!

Nice profile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite frankly your profile is utter shit. I'd block you just on that basis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP ~ check out the profiles of the single men that have commented on your post to get an idea of the competition you're facing.

Maybe then you'll understand why you're not getting anywhere.

Good luck x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have had plenty of meets both on this profile and am old. But ley me tell you it certainly wasn't easy. First of address the profile. It is very basic. Lacks creativity and says nothing about what you can offer or are looking for. Then I'd delete the pics and upload something that's going to grab attention. FAB is by no means a guaranteed lay. The formula is simple. Effort in = Results out.

Oh and don't start whining threads that smack of desperation. Not good.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If you can't be bothered to put any effort into your profile, then what's the sex going to be like? The only time I bother with single males is when I've read a profile and it blows me away.

Effort in = effort out."

thanks. Il get onto my profile asap. Please check back and see what you think . Cheers all!!!

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"Can I just say I don't shop at Morrisons - thank god!

I've got a co-op across the road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

After posting that you should probably take this bit out of your profile..."Ill be as honest as i can. Im here to chat, im in no rush to meet if that even happens"

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By *he devil wears pradaWoman
over a year ago

gosport ish

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"
I wish more people would put what car they drive can be a useful filter when deciding to meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

try spelling words properly, it's "or" not "are"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol."

So guys who get meets are just lucky?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol.

So guys who get meets are just lucky? "
Well depends as well were you live in that case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol."

400:1? Jeez I knew it was high but surely not that high? I never found it that hard tbh.

Poor lad ain't got a chance then... Perhaps sorting out a decent profile would help tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz I wish more people would put what car they drive can be a useful filter when deciding to meet

Bit shallow isn't it? So You'd meet someone with a Jag, but not a Kia?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol.

400:1? Jeez I knew it was high but surely not that high? I never found it that hard tbh.

Poor lad ain't got a chance then... Perhaps sorting out a decent profile would help tho"
lol its ok well maibe 100 men to 1 woman,I like my profile its straight to point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol.

400:1? Jeez I knew it was high but surely not that high? I never found it that hard tbh.

Poor lad ain't got a chance then... Perhaps sorting out a decent profile would help tholol its ok well maibe 100 men to 1 woman,I like my profile its straight to point

just wondering how "lucky" I must be to have all the meets I've had then? Or do I just make a bit more effort than the OP rather than joining whingers united?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol.

400:1? Jeez I knew it was high but surely not that high? I never found it that hard tbh.

Poor lad ain't got a chance then... Perhaps sorting out a decent profile would help tholol its ok well maibe 100 men to 1 woman,I like my profile its straight to point

just wondering how "lucky" I must be to have all the meets I've had then? Or do I just make a bit more effort than the OP rather than joining whingers united?"
I am not here to argue, like you, I just stated that the ratio was more men than women lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well begging is really not going to work! And your grammar is atrocious! Both these things will put people off straight away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Excuse me . I have had a few meets and I am very fussy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

". .just a wee bit of friendly advice . . .somethin my dad told me many years ago . . .son if they can fool you once but more fool them if fool you twice because if they fool you twice shame on you. . . .or somethin like that "

OMG, you're George Dubya Bush's son??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try a gang bang, no desperate men there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excuse me . I have had a few meets and I am very fussy

I'm one of his meets and I can verify that.......plus that implies I'm rough and easy and desperate......I'm none of them I can assure you

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By *he devil wears pradaWoman
over a year ago

gosport ish

Bit shallow isn't it? So You'd meet someone with a Jag, but not a Kia?"
'twas a joke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ratio is 400 men to 1 woman, the supply demand aint there for men, women and couple gets most lucky lol.

400:1? Jeez I knew it was high but surely not that high? I never found it that hard tbh.

Poor lad ain't got a chance then... Perhaps sorting out a decent profile would help tholol its ok well maibe 100 men to 1 woman,I like my profile its straight to point

just wondering how "lucky" I must be to have all the meets I've had then? Or do I just make a bit more effort than the OP rather than joining whingers united?I am not here to argue, like you, I just stated that the ratio was more men than women lol."

And you would be correct ~ lots of men for us women to get our teeth into!

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By *B07Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Take a look at your own profile and ask yourself the following questions!

Is it doing you any justice?

Does it say enough about you?

Does it stand out in the crowd? "

Got nothing to do with those, there just too many single males on the site and couples and females can afford to be choosy.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"Take a look at your own profile and ask yourself the following questions!

Is it doing you any justice?

Does it say enough about you?

Does it stand out in the crowd?

Got nothing to do with those, there just too many single males on the site and couples and females can afford to be choosy.

Sorry I disagree! A bad profile will never get a response from me and frankly his profile is bad!

Put the effort in, it isn't rocket science!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

go to a club or social , let people see who you are and chat

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By *hubnwife_36dd_ukCouple
over a year ago

chester

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol found his msg fun there.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"Take a look at your own profile and ask yourself the following questions!

Is it doing you any justice?

Does it say enough about you?

Does it stand out in the crowd?

Got nothing to do with those, there just too many single males on the site and couples and females can afford to be choosy.

So if they can afford to be choosey you give them reasons to choose you rather than reasons not to. Eh?

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By *hubnwife_36dd_ukCouple
over a year ago

chester

This is one very long post, but you asked for advice, and your complaint/problem is common to many on here.

OK, let's begin by getting some background straight:

As so many posters have said "It's all about the profile Stupid"

(joke).

Some of the rest isn't a joke, it's going to be slightly brutal because this kind of site brings the modern, particularly younger (porn reading and porn web watching ) males into contact with hard reality.

That reality is simply this: a lot (but not all) women are now freer in their attiude and desire for sex fun but in most cases (excusing the rubbish-on-a-plate ladette stuff served up by the psuedo-porn reality TV progs) they're not going to just lie down in anticipation because somebody said “Fancy a shg? No? Well would you just lie there while I, king-of-the-bedroom, have one?”

On this site single guys outnumber fems and couples vastly, and that’s not including that some “fems” are guys pretending and some couples are also guys pretending. Most couples/fems are snowed-under in messages, esp as many of them don’t get on here every night so end up with even bigger backlogs. They can’t answer them all, so they simply delete the messages that are just a waste of time e.g. “Hi” or “Meet?” or “Fancy a fuck” as it simply marks the poster as possibly lazy, immature, inexperienced or even just a time-waster. Take a look at our profile and see the points right at the beginning that “answer” 98% of the messages we receive and delete.

The same goes for one-liner or one-paragraph profiles. “Message me for more details” is lazy and arrogant given that the fems/couples hold the aces (unless they are part of the small group of very sub players who love to be ordered around from the off). So if you’re going to even get a reply your initial message has to be good enough to invite further conversation. They’ll check your profile before replying. If it’s crap then you just blew it.

Let’s take a bit of a look at your current profile:

Headline: “Gagging for it tonight ladies”..means you’re desperate, you’re begging and you’ll shag anything that still has a pulse if that’s all that’s on offer. DON’T GO THERE!

Main profile:

It’s a one paragraph job and it’s contradictory: you said you were up for chat and meeting wasn’t really important (if it happened). Then you complain you aren’t getting any meets!

You say you are a good lover and know what you are doing in the bedroom yet complain of no meets for sex. Presumably you have gained experience somewhere but the general gist of what you are saying implies not.

No couples are going to follow up on that when they get much better offers/messages. Give them some idea of why they should consider you. Don’t play the “Well they can ask me” card.......in most cases they’ll mark you as lazy and just move on. The TBC tag at the end of your profile said the same: do you really think they are hanging on waiting for the next instalment?

If you’re getting blocked are you sending repeat messages when they haven’t replied to the first one? Are you reading their profile and making sure you’re somewhat close to what they want? If it says no single guys, no guys under 35 they usually mean it and will often block you if you message.

Finally: pics: The 2 in your public profile are simply crap, esp the first one. You are selling a product: You! You may, like us, want discretion, so don’t show your face, but for heaven’s sake get at least a handful of good body pics on there (and when you do get better pics remember to avoid any messy, cluttered background or trousers grubbily down at half-mast as too many posters do on here).

Go and read other people’s profiles and try to spot what makes a good one, then model yours on the same lines.

E.g. here is a “sort of” rewrite vaguely around your current profile, you need to build more into it:

Ready and available tonight, ladies.

Honest, clean, well-groomed and showered 30 year old male, can accommodate or can travel as have own transport. Not available during the day as I’m employed full-time. Comfortable in the bedroom and love to please the lady first and foremost. Into most fun things except scat, pain and watersports. Particularly enjoy meeting (insert your own fav types of lady here, e.g. MILF, GILF, Cougar, curvy, busty, slim, tall, dark, blonde).

Happy to play solo or MFM etc provided no bi action required.

Several enjoyable experiences with the ladies before joining but FAB is proving a bit disappointing as getting meets is pretty hard. Try BOGOFF ladies...I’m a repeater......Bed Once Get One Free Fuck as well!

Here’s an example of a message we just got:

Subject:

If carlsberg did couples

Date:

50 minutes ago

This message has pictures attached (see end of message)

Hi. I'm NNNNNNN. Love your profile and pics.

I'm easy going clean and discreet. Always act with manners and respect.

The Carlberg opening line got my attention and he said he’d read the profile.

However on his profile it says “bi” and we specifically put NO BIs. Normally I would just delete him, but since he put a bit of effort into his opening line I sent him a “Thanks, but no thanks” message and reminded him we’re not into bi. At least he did enough to get a reply.

So it’s up to you: stop bitching and start working for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is one very long post, but you asked for advice, and your complaint/problem is common to many on here.

OK, let's begin by getting some background straight:

As so many posters have said "It's all about the profile Stupid"

(joke).

that's a very long post lol

Let’s take a bit of a look at your current profile:

Headline: “Gagging for it tonight ladies”..means you’re desperate, you’re begging and you’ll shag anything that still has a pulse if that’s all that’s on offer. DON’T GO THERE!

Main profile:

It’s a one paragraph job and it’s contradictory: you said you were up for chat and meeting wasn’t really important (if it happened). Then you complain you aren’t getting any meets!

Go and read other people’s profiles and try to spot what makes a good one, then model yours on the same lines.

E.g. here is a “sort of” rewrite vaguely around your current profile, you need to build more into it:

Ready and available tonight, ladies.

Happy to play solo or MFM etc provided no bi action required.

Here’s an example of a message we just got:

Subject:

If carlsberg did couples

Date:

50 minutes ago

This message has pictures attached (see end of message)

Hi. I'm NNNNNNN. Love your profile and pics.

I'm easy going clean and discreet. Always act with manners and respect.

The Carlberg opening line got my attention and he said he’d read the profile.

So it’s up to you: stop bitching and start working for it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz"

Perhaps the bit on your profile that says your here to chat and no rush to meet on your profile is putting people off?

If you sent is a message and we read your profile we wouldn't reply and would probably block as we are on here to meet, we don't have the time for endless chat x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'If Carlsberg did [insert profile gender here]' is now going to be the most used message title on Fab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Profile still seems lacking. It's pretty mundane and doesn't strike as very confident. List your qualities and attributes, and also what YOU can offer to women and couples.

People don' want endless chit-chat, we're all here for the same reason, you need to stand out more.

And your profile pics aren't showing much either? We get discretion but at least show sometime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There sure are profiles I see where I think, lordy I would never want to meet you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There sure are profiles I see where I think, lordy I would never want to meet you."

och...hits floppy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

very true thanks xx"

you agree this is very true, but how do you know?

i have looked at a few guys profiles and have rejected them out of hand because of the high quality of meets they have had, rather than the fact they have just seemingly shagged anything with a pulse.

yes, a few will just poke a whole in a fence, but then, so will many women who just want any cock, and couples.

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over a year ago

"Hey someone please help me are show me in right direction on this site. I just cant get a meet. I either get ignored are blocked. Whats going on???? Other get them easy im begging xxz

Begging??????? Jeez lad, you can't be that desperate "

Begging and desperate I am sure that's not a quality women find sexually attractive

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