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"Exactly. Also, people had a number of years to apply so I don't understand why people have continued lying low...unless they are dodging tax" Spot on | |||
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"We did our residencia 3 years ago when the writing was on the wall .. pay tax here... changed driving licences etc etc and are now sitting pretty but so many didn’t and just ignored what was coming! " Exactly the same as us... stick to the rules and there are no problems. | |||
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"We did our residencia 3 years ago when the writing was on the wall .. pay tax here... changed driving licences etc etc and are now sitting pretty but so many didn’t and just ignored what was coming! " Same here all done and dusted totally legal here in Spain | |||
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"We only arrived last September full time, applied immediately as we could not get here any earlier due to Mr having and injury and surgery. Although safely in the system now we are told that the lengthy wait is due to a lot of ex-pats that have been here for years swamped the application process last-minute. " We are in the same situation, it's so frustrating that People that have been here for years have waited till the last minute, someone we were talking too has been here 15 years and still hasn't changed his driving licence. | |||
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"We only arrived last September full time, applied immediately as we could not get here any earlier due to Mr having and injury and surgery. Although safely in the system now we are told that the lengthy wait is due to a lot of ex-pats that have been here for years swamped the application process last-minute. We are in the same situation, it's so frustrating that People that have been here for years have waited till the last minute, someone we were talking too has been here 15 years and still hasn't changed his driving licence. " Don't forget that you didn't 'need' to change you licence up to Brexit they were valid in all EU countries. | |||
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 so it CAN be done if you want to do it. Just glad we made the decision when we did otherwise it would be a whole different ball game! | |||
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"Little or no sympathy for these ? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/world-news/british-expats-were-sent-back-20308870" I do sympathise with them. They were told that if their application was in progress that they would be allowed in. Many of them had paperwork to say that their TIE card was ready and had travelled to collect it. The authorities at Manchester (and the airline) were happy that they all had the correct paperwork. It seems that either the rules changed mid air or an immigration official was just having a bad day. | |||
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"We only arrived last September full time, applied immediately as we could not get here any earlier due to Mr having and injury and surgery. Although safely in the system now we are told that the lengthy wait is due to a lot of ex-pats that have been here for years swamped the application process last-minute. We are in the same situation, it's so frustrating that People that have been here for years have waited till the last minute, someone we were talking too has been here 15 years and still hasn't changed his driving licence. Don't forget that you didn't 'need' to change you licence up to Brexit they were valid in all EU countries." They were valid if visiting, however if you have residency in another country you should have changed it to a local one | |||
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"Little or no sympathy for these ? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/world-news/british-expats-were-sent-back-20308870 I do sympathise with them. They were told that if their application was in progress that they would be allowed in. Many of them had paperwork to say that their TIE card was ready and had travelled to collect it. The authorities at Manchester (and the airline) were happy that they all had the correct paperwork. It seems that either the rules changed mid air or an immigration official was just having a bad day." That's such a scary feeling. I know I felt that when I was coming back to GC after Xmas. I had all of the paperwork needed but still took an hour at BA check in to convince them to let me on the plane. I eventually had to produce a screenshot of a post from the BlueBird social media platform from the Spanish Embassy outlining the paperwork needed to get back to GC and that I had all of that paperwork so they had to let me through. No-one knew anything, no-one had been told anything. It was a bit of a shit show, so I can see from both sides how confusing it can be. | |||
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"Myself and OH came over to GC to live in November 2020. The process is long and lengthy true but we have an amazing person helping us (and about 50+ others) and in the next 2/3 weeks we should both have our TIE Cards to show we are residents here now so it CAN be done if you want to do it. Just glad we made the decision when we did otherwise it would be a whole different ball game! "I purchased a property on Costa Almeria and I'm still waiting for Residencia to come through. There were issues in the purchase process which resulted in the completion not happening till 30th December (so just in time!). I had been a document to prove I was in the system which, I was told, would be enough to allow me to get back in when I was ready for the finger printing... but I have to admit I didn't trust the process of getting out of the UK so decided to stay here in Spain till it was ready. | |||
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"Moved here 3 years ago and totally legal within 6 months. "Me too. I have now lived here over 7 years and dont regret one day although being retired I now pay more tax than I did back in the UK as the allowances are rather stingy here. | |||
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"We arrived in Spain in early July and applied immediately and we received our TIE at the beginning of the week - now we can sit back are chill - good luck to those in the process xx "  | |||
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"we have an nie but thats not the same as residencia is it?" No its not. | |||
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"we have an nie but thats not the same as residencia is it?No its not." There was a time you could go to your local police station, ask for an NIE number and an hour later you had one. Now you need to apply for residencia which requires an interview. If you are given residencia you are given a temporary NIE with which you can do nothing whatsoever. You then need to apply for a TIE card which is the only evidence you have that you have residencia. | |||
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"I’ll just get an Irish passport if needed. Could be an avenue for many to explore. After all, if Big Jack can get Cascarino playing for Ireland... "Legally you will still only be able to stay 90 days. Yes, you'll be able to remain in Spain but you'll still have restrictions - like you'll need to re-plate the car, have health insurance in place etc. I have some Irish friends and they have been stopped and fined. Once that happens you're 'visible' to the authorities. | |||
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"we have an nie but thats not the same as residencia is it?No its not. There was a time you could go to your local police station, ask for an NIE number and an hour later you had one. Now you need to apply for residencia which requires an interview. If you are given residencia you are given a temporary NIE with which you can do nothing whatsoever. You then need to apply for a TIE card which is the only evidence you have that you have residencia." No interview needed, can all be done online | |||
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"we have an nie but thats not the same as residencia is it?No its not. There was a time you could go to your local police station, ask for an NIE number and an hour later you had one. Now you need to apply for residencia which requires an interview. If you are given residencia you are given a temporary NIE with which you can do nothing whatsoever. You then need to apply for a TIE card which is the only evidence you have that you have residencia. No interview needed, can all be done online" The residencia application can be done online. Miss Eden did the interview and got her TIE 2 weeks ago. I did mine online and am still waiting for my LOTE to come up. | |||
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"Fingerprints have now been taken. I expect the backlog to be cleared quite quickly now the Benidorm office is in full swing and doing late hours " Good luck! | |||
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"It would be very interesting to find out how many brits living in spain voted for brexit. There was something online exploring that subject of the number of expats who voted in favour of brexit. Just found it ironic. " Were expats allowed to vote? | |||
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"It would be very interesting to find out how many brits living in spain voted for brexit. There was something online exploring that subject of the number of expats who voted in favour of brexit. Just found it ironic. Were expats allowed to vote?" As an expat you can still vote until you have been out of the UK for (I think) 15 years. Once the time limit is reached you can no longer vote in the UK unless you return to live. I think there are a few other restrictions for local elections. Personally I didn't think it'was fair that I could vote when permanently living abroad so I never did. Now my 15 years is well up, so it's a moot point for me these days. | |||
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"It would be very interesting to find out how many brits living in spain voted for brexit. There was something online exploring that subject of the number of expats who voted in favour of brexit. Just found it ironic. Were expats allowed to vote? As an expat you can still vote until you have been out of the UK for (I think) 15 years. Once the time limit is reached you can no longer vote in the UK unless you return to live. I think there are a few other restrictions for local elections. Personally I didn't think it'was fair that I could vote when permanently living abroad so I never did. Now my 15 years is well up, so it's a moot point for me these days. " Good to know | |||
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"It would be very interesting to find out how many brits living in spain voted for brexit. There was something online exploring that subject of the number of expats who voted in favour of brexit. Just found it ironic. Were expats allowed to vote? As an expat you can still vote until you have been out of the UK for (I think) 15 years. Once the time limit is reached you can no longer vote in the UK unless you return to live. I think there are a few other restrictions for local elections. Personally I didn't think it'was fair that I could vote when permanently living abroad so I never did. Now my 15 years is well up, so it's a moot point for me these days. " My understanding is that 5 there are 5 million Expats. 700 000 of whom fall into the same category as yourself and were unable to vote. I stand to be corrected though... | |||
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"Why is it 'ironic' to vote for Brexit and to live in Spain?" Had i been living in England i would have voted leave. As i have lived here for 7 years it would have suited me to stay in the EU. Therefore i took the decision to sit on the fence to take what comes. | |||
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"Why is it 'ironic' to vote for Brexit and to live in Spain?" There have been reports in the press about people whose only only home is in Spain and have been refused residencia. Some of those people voted for Brexit, thereby actively partaking in a decision which has resulted in them being disinfranchised. For us it is what it is and we aren't for or against it, but can certainly see the irony. | |||
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"Why is it 'ironic' to vote for Brexit and to live in Spain? There have been reports in the press about people whose only only home is in Spain and have been refused residencia. Some of those people voted for Brexit, thereby actively partaking in a decision which has resulted in them being disinfranchised. For us it is what it is and we aren't for or against it, but can certainly see the irony." There is no irony. The media reports are dishonest and ITV has withdrawn it's report as it was highly inaccurate. The UK government and the Spanish government both agreed to protect the rights of people already in the others' country. I am not aware that either side has broken the agreement. Are you? There is nothing ironic in this at all | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. " Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date | |||
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"Why is it 'ironic' to vote for Brexit and to live in Spain? There have been reports in the press about people whose only only home is in Spain and have been refused residencia. Some of those people voted for Brexit, thereby actively partaking in a decision which has resulted in them being disinfranchised. For us it is what it is and we aren't for or against it, but can certainly see the irony. There is no irony. The media reports are dishonest and ITV has withdrawn it's report as it was highly inaccurate. The UK government and the Spanish government both agreed to protect the rights of people already in the others' country. I am not aware that either side has broken the agreement. Are you? There is nothing ironic in this at all" Why did Spain refuse to give NIE numbers to UK expats in 2020 before 31 December? | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date" So just for the record... You don't see any irony in someone voting for Britain to leave the EU and then chosing to live in the EU rather than Britain? | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date So just for the record... You don't see any irony in someone voting for Britain to leave the EU and then chosing to live in the EU rather than Britain?" No, there is no irony in that. That you think there is irony suggests that you misunderstand the issues. I voted to Leave because I wanted laws that affect UK citizens to be made in the UK by people we can sack. It's called democracy. I support it for Spain too. Why on earth is that ironic? | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date So just for the record... You don't see any irony in someone voting for Britain to leave the EU and then chosing to live in the EU rather than Britain? No, there is no irony in that. That you think there is irony suggests that you misunderstand the issues. I voted to Leave because I wanted laws that affect UK citizens to be made in the UK by people we can sack. It's called democracy. I support it for Spain too. Why on earth is that ironic?" I think you don't know what irony is. | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date So just for the record... You don't see any irony in someone voting for Britain to leave the EU and then chosing to live in the EU rather than Britain? No, there is no irony in that. That you think there is irony suggests that you misunderstand the issues. I voted to Leave because I wanted laws that affect UK citizens to be made in the UK by people we can sack. It's called democracy. I support it for Spain too. Why on earth is that ironic? I think you don't know what irony is." In this context irony would be...in your mind ..that you think Brexiteers were hostile to bother people/countries and thought that agreements wouldn't apply to them So you think it is 'ironic' that some are now leaving. But it hasn't been like that, has it? So where is the 'irony'? If you look more closely you will see that the people who did not get residencia simply failed to apply for it. There was one on ITV who even arrived after Brexit day ..and was indignant that she couldn't stay permanently. ITV has now withdrawn that dishonest claim. The only irony I see is that generated for political reasons by people who just want to misrepresent Leave voters | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date So just for the record... You don't see any irony in someone voting for Britain to leave the EU and then chosing to live in the EU rather than Britain? No, there is no irony in that. That you think there is irony suggests that you misunderstand the issues. I voted to Leave because I wanted laws that affect UK citizens to be made in the UK by people we can sack. It's called democracy. I support it for Spain too. Why on earth is that ironic? I think you don't know what irony is. In this context irony would be...in your mind ..that you think Brexiteers were hostile to bother people/countries and thought that agreements wouldn't apply to them So you think it is 'ironic' that some are now leaving. But it hasn't been like that, has it? So where is the 'irony'? If you look more closely you will see that the people who did not get residencia simply failed to apply for it. There was one on ITV who even arrived after Brexit day ..and was indignant that she couldn't stay permanently. ITV has now withdrawn that dishonest claim. The only irony I see is that generated for political reasons by people who just want to misrepresent Leave voters" Well firstly this is a conversation about irony. Not Brexit. An example of irony is when you accuse someone of thinking themselves superior and then take a condescending, patronising attude to anyone whose opinion differs to yours. | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date So just for the record... You don't see any irony in someone voting for Britain to leave the EU and then chosing to live in the EU rather than Britain? No, there is no irony in that. That you think there is irony suggests that you misunderstand the issues. I voted to Leave because I wanted laws that affect UK citizens to be made in the UK by people we can sack. It's called democracy. I support it for Spain too. Why on earth is that ironic? I think you don't know what irony is. In this context irony would be...in your mind ..that you think Brexiteers were hostile to bother people/countries and thought that agreements wouldn't apply to them So you think it is 'ironic' that some are now leaving. But it hasn't been like that, has it? So where is the 'irony'? If you look more closely you will see that the people who did not get residencia simply failed to apply for it. There was one on ITV who even arrived after Brexit day ..and was indignant that she couldn't stay permanently. ITV has now withdrawn that dishonest claim. The only irony I see is that generated for political reasons by people who just want to misrepresent Leave voters Well firstly this is a conversation about irony. Not Brexit. An example of irony is when you accuse someone of thinking themselves superior and then take a condescending, patronising attude to anyone whose opinion differs to yours. " I have been neither condescending nor patronising. I have engaged with you on equal terms which you clearly don't accept | |||
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"For me it is ironic, especially as a blackman who constantly hear go back home and believe what you want never had such thing said to me before brexit. Also on a personal note, I know of people who lived in Spain who voted for brexit on the basis of immigration and wanting UK to have control of its borders but the only home that they have is in Spain and came back to UK just to vote, thinking that they would be immune. And just as mentioned by someone else, as it was my the people that I know mindset didn't think or felt cocky enough that they didn't need to have local resident, felt they were protected by Europe, the same Europe they wanted England out of. Such mentality grows around others. So this is what I find ironic. Guess you will never understand what it means to be told to go home, the only home you know of and born in. Rant over. Not ironic at all. It only seems ironic if you think ..as you appear to do...that supporters of Brexit think themselves superior to other people/countries. That only shows a lack of understanding of why people voted for Brexit: it was a desire to ensure that our laws were made in Britain by people we could sack and replace. It's called democracy. Anyone living in Spain before Brexit Day, regardless of colour, could apply for residencia. It was free to apply for. I have read of people allegedly living in Spain who were denied residencia. Look more closely and you will find they applied for it after the closing date. Indeed, ITV has withdrawn its report as it clearly misunderstood the way it has worked and featured a woman who moved here after the closing date So just for the record... You don't see any irony in someone voting for Britain to leave the EU and then chosing to live in the EU rather than Britain? No, there is no irony in that. That you think there is irony suggests that you misunderstand the issues. I voted to Leave because I wanted laws that affect UK citizens to be made in the UK by people we can sack. It's called democracy. I support it for Spain too. Why on earth is that ironic? I think you don't know what irony is. In this context irony would be...in your mind ..that you think Brexiteers were hostile to bother people/countries and thought that agreements wouldn't apply to them So you think it is 'ironic' that some are now leaving. But it hasn't been like that, has it? So where is the 'irony'? If you look more closely you will see that the people who did not get residencia simply failed to apply for it. There was one on ITV who even arrived after Brexit day ..and was indignant that she couldn't stay permanently. ITV has now withdrawn that dishonest claim. The only irony I see is that generated for political reasons by people who just want to misrepresent Leave voters Well firstly this is a conversation about irony. Not Brexit. An example of irony is when you accuse someone of thinking themselves superior and then take a condescending, patronising attude to anyone whose opinion differs to yours. I have been neither condescending nor patronising. I have engaged with you on equal terms which you clearly don't accept" When you tell someone that they don't understand something then you are being condescending and patronising. I am willing to accept your view once you have presented a reasoned argument. Something I'm not seeing for the following reasons: Firstly your argument that people didn't get residencia because they applied too late means that you aren't getting that without Brexit they wouldn't have needed to apply for residencia in the first place. But since you've gone there.... Applications for residencia are determined by the ability to meet certain criteria such as the ability to support oneself financially, have accommodation etc. The only relevance of 31 December 2020 has is that if you can prove you were legally resident in the EU before the cut off you maintained your rights under the Withdrawal Agreement. This being said, it means that those expats who voted for Brexit without having residencia and not being able to meet the residencia requirements clearly didn't know what they were voting for. I certainly don't have access to every single person's reason for residencia rejection and doubt there are many people who do. I do know of one person who was told they needed a 6 months lease instead of a year, was unable to get padron certificate and is back in the UK. This was before the cut off. So I'm not sure how one can maintain that anyone who applied for residencia before 31/12 was automatically accepted and those who applied after automatically rejected. Here is my "understanding" of the issues. I received my TIE 5 months after being granted residencia. In that time I have... Had my belongings held up in customs for 2 months Needed to fly back urgently to GC before December 31 for fear of not being allowed back into GC. Not been able to do business because if I left GC I couldn't get back in. Not been able register my vehicles. Not been able to exchange my drivers license (because my NIE came though too late) Not been able to get broadband Not been able to get a phone contract. No advantages of Brexit that I can think of. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that I am painfully aware of the issues Brexit has brought about. | |||
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"But nothing has changed regarding the need for residencia. It has always been the case that if you spend/spent half the year or more in Spain then you have to apply for residencia...and be assessed for Spanish tax. That has not changed. What has changed is that Brexit has flushed out those who were living 'under the radar' and thus avoiding paying their share. People have known for years that this was coming. It was free to register for your rights. I feel pretty sure in saying that those who had dodged taxes by living 'under the radar' voted predominantly to Remain. Obvious when you think of it. They are now squealing about Brexit...but the need for residencia has not actually changed." I read an article that says in an opinion poll taken amongst expats who were not allowed to vote in the referendum, only 20% would have voted leave. Democracy was once described as two lions and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner...  | |||
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"But nothing has changed regarding the need for residencia. It has always been the case that if you spend/spent half the year or more in Spain then you have to apply for residencia...and be assessed for Spanish tax. That has not changed. What has changed is that Brexit has flushed out those who were living 'under the radar' and thus avoiding paying their share. People have known for years that this was coming. It was free to register for your rights. I feel pretty sure in saying that those who had dodged taxes by living 'under the radar' voted predominantly to Remain. Obvious when you think of it. They are now squealing about Brexit...but the need for residencia has not actually changed. I read an article that says in an opinion poll taken amongst expats who were not allowed to vote in the referendum, only 20% would have voted leave. Democracy was once described as two lions and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner... "You can find polls that say just about anything. Expats can still cast a vote in UK national elections and referenda for 15 years. That seems fair to me | |||
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"But nothing has changed regarding the need for residencia. It has always been the case that if you spend/spent half the year or more in Spain then you have to apply for residencia...and be assessed for Spanish tax. That has not changed. What has changed is that Brexit has flushed out those who were living 'under the radar' and thus avoiding paying their share. People have known for years that this was coming. It was free to register for your rights. I feel pretty sure in saying that those who had dodged taxes by living 'under the radar' voted predominantly to Remain. Obvious when you think of it. They are now squealing about Brexit...but the need for residencia has not actually changed. I read an article that says in an opinion poll taken amongst expats who were not allowed to vote in the referendum, only 20% would have voted leave. Democracy was once described as two lions and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner...
You can find polls that say just about anything.
Expats can still cast a vote in UK national elections and referenda for 15 years. That seems fair to me"I agree with you on opinion polls. There are lies, damned lies and statistics. But frankly I'm surprised that 20% of turkeys would be voting for Christmas. As you've pointed out these expats helped put themselves in a position where they needed to apply for residencia etc, but haven't pointed out any benefits that they personally enjoy from Brexit. Of course their vote may have been a noble and unselfish vote such as your own
Don't get me wrong. As much as Brexit has put up hurdles at every turn us personally, we have overcome those hurdles and it's been good challenging character building stuff Right now we are on track to open a kickass club which we hope will provide a lot of fun to people who've had a hard year and really deserve a bit of decadence... see you all there | |||
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"People who voted Leave are not turkeys and such Remainer abuse only confirms most people in their choice. Such abuse is truly appalling. We voted against an artificial and undemocratic political construct to strike a blow for democracy. We won...yet a hardcore minority of extremist Remainers are now resorting to misrepresenting what is happening vis-a-vis residencia. There is no place for lies" Turkeys voting for Christmas is a metaphor and not something that is not meant to be taken literally. It is used to describe people who partake in an action to their own detriment. A particularly apt odiom for the subject at hand. | |||
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"People who voted Leave are not turkeys and such Remainer abuse only confirms most people in their choice. Such abuse is truly appalling. We voted against an artificial and undemocratic political construct to strike a blow for democracy. We won...yet a hardcore minority of extremist Remainers are now resorting to misrepresenting what is happening vis-a-vis residencia. There is no place for lies" Yes there is a place for lies. On the side of a bus, apparently | |||
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"Fingerprints have now been taken. I expect the backlog to be cleared quite quickly now the Benidorm office is in full swing and doing late hours " You're dead right. The Las Palmas office jumped from LOTE 42 to 68. Got my TIE card today. Onwards and upwards!
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"Can you two pack it in who has to have the last word if not F off to the politics forum and carry on your argument in there " Nice to see you haven't lost your charm | |||
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"Can you two pack it in who has to have the last word if not F off to the politics forum and carry on your argument in there " Maybe it is you who should F off (to use your foul language). The thread is about residencia and that's what we are discussing. If you don't like the subject then why read the thread? | |||
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"Can you two pack it in who has to have the last word if not F off to the politics forum and carry on your argument in there Nice to see you haven't lost your charm "Haha! | |||
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"Can you two pack it in who has to have the last word if not F off to the politics forum and carry on your argument in there Maybe it is you who should F off (to use your foul language). The thread is about residencia and that's what we are discussing. If you don't like the subject then why read the thread?" | |||
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"OP has posted a suject political in nature and then gone on to mention departure from the UK. So I'm not exactly sure how we're supposed to end up swapping cooking recipes and discussing knitting patterns. I have already stated that I am neither for nor against Brexit. I have also stated that I have enjoyed overcoming the hurdles that Brexit has presented us with. I've seen it as a character building excercise. As a person who has moved to a non EU country this would make me a poor example of a remainer. It's not my circus and not my monkey. (Disclaimer: I'm not calling anyone a monkey) The only effect that Brexit has on my life right now is it shoots my British competition in the one foot whilst IR35 shoots them in the other. So thank you to the person has offered for me to make a sexual departure. In return I suggest that you contribute more to these forums than criticising other peoples posts. Apart from two posts reviewing HL Suite your entire involvement is to swing handbags at other posters. If you think that makes for pleasant reading then you are sadly mistaken. " Yep | |||
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"OP has posted a suject political in nature and then gone on to mention departure from the UK. So I'm not exactly sure how we're supposed to end up swapping cooking recipes and discussing knitting patterns. I have already stated that I am neither for nor against Brexit. I have also stated that I have enjoyed overcoming the hurdles that Brexit has presented us with. I've seen it as a character building excercise. As a person who has moved to a non EU country this would make me a poor example of a remainer. It's not my circus and not my monkey. (Disclaimer: I'm not calling anyone a monkey) The only effect that Brexit has on my life right now is it shoots my British competition in the one foot whilst IR35 shoots them in the other. So thank you to the person has offered for me to make a sexual departure. In return I suggest that you contribute more to these forums than criticising other peoples posts. Apart from two posts reviewing HL Suite your entire involvement is to swing handbags at other posters. If you think that makes for pleasant reading then you are sadly mistaken. Yep "If on there was a “please, please, please can I have a free drink” emoji life would be so much more easier for some. | |||
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"OP has posted a suject political in nature and then gone on to mention departure from the UK. So I'm not exactly sure how we're supposed to end up swapping cooking recipes and discussing knitting patterns. I have already stated that I am neither for nor against Brexit. I have also stated that I have enjoyed overcoming the hurdles that Brexit has presented us with. I've seen it as a character building excercise. As a person who has moved to a non EU country this would make me a poor example of a remainer. It's not my circus and not my monkey. (Disclaimer: I'm not calling anyone a monkey) The only effect that Brexit has on my life right now is it shoots my British competition in the one foot whilst IR35 shoots them in the other. So thank you to the person has offered for me to make a sexual departure. In return I suggest that you contribute more to these forums than criticising other peoples posts. Apart from two posts reviewing HL Suite your entire involvement is to swing handbags at other posters. If you think that makes for pleasant reading then you are sadly mistaken. Yep
If on there was a “please, please, please can I have a free drink” emoji life would be so much more easier for some."Sorry don't get that...nothing to do with the OP.. | |||
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"OP has posted a suject political in nature and then gone on to mention departure from the UK. So I'm not exactly sure how we're supposed to end up swapping cooking recipes and discussing knitting patterns. I have already stated that I am neither for nor against Brexit. I have also stated that I have enjoyed overcoming the hurdles that Brexit has presented us with. I've seen it as a character building excercise. As a person who has moved to a non EU country this would make me a poor example of a remainer. It's not my circus and not my monkey. (Disclaimer: I'm not calling anyone a monkey) The only effect that Brexit has on my life right now is it shoots my British competition in the one foot whilst IR35 shoots them in the other. So thank you to the person has offered for me to make a sexual departure. In return I suggest that you contribute more to these forums than criticising other peoples posts. Apart from two posts reviewing HL Suite your entire involvement is to swing handbags at other posters. If you think that makes for pleasant reading then you are sadly mistaken. Yep
If on there was a “please, please, please can I have a free drink” emoji life would be so much more easier for some."Aw dude you really don't need to beg. If you're hard up for cash I'm sure someone will sponsor you  | |||
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"OP has posted a suject political in nature and then gone on to mention departure from the UK. So I'm not exactly sure how we're supposed to end up swapping cooking recipes and discussing knitting patterns. I have already stated that I am neither for nor against Brexit. I have also stated that I have enjoyed overcoming the hurdles that Brexit has presented us with. I've seen it as a character building excercise. As a person who has moved to a non EU country this would make me a poor example of a remainer. It's not my circus and not my monkey. (Disclaimer: I'm not calling anyone a monkey) The only effect that Brexit has on my life right now is it shoots my British competition in the one foot whilst IR35 shoots them in the other. So thank you to the person has offered for me to make a sexual departure. In return I suggest that you contribute more to these forums than criticising other peoples posts. Apart from two posts reviewing HL Suite your entire involvement is to swing handbags at other posters. If you think that makes for pleasant reading then you are sadly mistaken. Yep
If on there was a “please, please, please can I have a free drink” emoji life would be so much more easier for some.
Aw dude you really don't need to beg. If you're hard up for cash I'm sure someone will sponsor you " | |||
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