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By *52s OP   Couple
over a year ago

close by

who would be mad enough to book flights to attend a swing club /bar in the middle of a world wide covid epidemic, a bit like a sight seeing tour of Aleppo in the middle of the war

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By *rax and MantisCouple
over a year ago

Epsom


"who would be mad enough to book flights to attend a swing club /bar in the middle of a world wide covid epidemic, a bit like a sight seeing tour of Aleppo in the middle of the war "

What about the people booking a holiday and not going to a swingers club or bar (thousand more, than us players)

I gather you have no empathy for them?!

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By *52s OP   Couple
over a year ago

close by

we have empathy for all concerned but thus far nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room

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By *rax and MantisCouple
over a year ago

Epsom


"we have empathy for all concerned but thus far nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room "

Please elaborate more?!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"we have empathy for all concerned but thus far nobody wants to talk about the elephant in the room "

Yes, please elaborate

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

We're flying out to Gran Canaria on Thursday, we have been told by Jet2 they will still take us.

We may go to the clubs although I suspect they will be quiet.

It's statistically a lot safer going to a club in Gran canaria than a pub in england and as for be flight, there are less than 50 cases a week in Northern Ireland so it's 1000x safer than taking a bus or train in england.

Can't wait

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By *ido and meCouple
over a year ago

a town close by

the elephant being covid 19, the fact that fab has the wit and foresight to ban meetings and the fact that the 2nd wave is expected , how does insurance work now with a uk 2 week self isolation

on return ?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"the elephant being covid 19, the fact that fab has the wit and foresight to ban meetings and the fact that the 2nd wave is expected , how does insurance work now with a uk 2 week self isolation

on return ? "

I think it is only void if you travel to a country that fco advises against. Best to check your own policies. EHIC card still valid until end of year

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By *rax and MantisCouple
over a year ago

Epsom


"the elephant being covid 19, the fact that fab has the wit and foresight to ban meetings and the fact that the 2nd wave is expected , how does insurance work now with a uk 2 week self isolation

on return ? "

Guys,

Thanks for answering a question, that was your own opinion. It may be a valid one, but not yours to answer.

The post creator, should have answered a vague statement...

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By *52s OP   Couple
over a year ago

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a vague statement ? a topic for comment not for twisting as to who should have a personal view (free speech its a uk thing )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the bars and restaurants , who are only running at 30 percent on previous years and that figure will now plummet with the 14 days isolation.

There might not be a lot left to visit next year with this virus and the Brexit debacle lots of bars and locals shut down already and who in the right mind will try and buy a business in Spain now ?

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By *rax and MantisCouple
over a year ago

Epsom


"a vague statement ? a topic for comment not for twisting as to who should have a personal view (free speech its a uk thing ) "

You still haven't explained the elephant in the room...

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By *heccoCouple
over a year ago

Normandy France

Big grey thing with huge ears and a long nose....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How did it spread in the first place?

People will always find ways of justifying something they're entitled to do or want to do. Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant in their argument.

Statistics are just that, they often just prove what we want it to prove as we read into them our own narratives.

For those who argue it's safer where they are going are only just thinking about themselves. So basically it's ok for you to take it from UK, which you have just said is far worse, to a safer place and be the cause a spread there?

Anyone traveling shouldn't cry if it backfires and you have to quarantine on return or worse loose holiday because it's cancelled. It's the risk you choose to travel right now.

That's the elephant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We were caught up in the Spanish lockdown in March and we’d love to get back there and have the holiday we wanted but right now just seems crazy risky to us. Not just quarantine but airports and flights must be hotspots.

Not travelling until this all calms right down

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"How did it spread in the first place?

People will always find ways of justifying something they're entitled to do or want to do. Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant in their argument.

Statistics are just that, they often just prove what we want it to prove as we read into them our own narratives.

For those who argue it's safer where they are going are only just thinking about themselves. So basically it's ok for you to take it from UK, which you have just said is far worse, to a safer place and be the cause a spread there?

Anyone traveling shouldn't cry if it backfires and you have to quarantine on return or worse loose holiday because it's cancelled. It's the risk you choose to travel right now.

That's the elephant. "

Assuming you're quoting me you might want to do further research before you start criticising. Reading the post properly would be a start

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By *rax and MantisCouple
over a year ago

Epsom

So many people have different opinions and views on this "elephant"

I'm just asking the original poster, to explain what they ment by it as its ambiguous at best...

Up to now they've avoided this, but everyone else hasn't...

Are they afraid of debate?!

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By *ABTenerifeMan
over a year ago

Santa Cruz Tenerife


"We're flying out to Gran Canaria on Thursday, we have been told by Jet2 they will still take us.

We may go to the clubs although I suspect they will be quiet.

It's statistically a lot safer going to a club in Gran canaria than a pub in england and as for be flight, there are less than 50 cases a week in Northern Ireland so it's 1000x safer than taking a bus or train in england.

Can't wait "

Well said! 100% agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How did it spread in the first place?

People will always find ways of justifying something they're entitled to do or want to do. Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant in their argument.

Statistics are just that, they often just prove what we want it to prove as we read into them our own narratives.

For those who argue it's safer where they are going are only just thinking about themselves. So basically it's ok for you to take it from UK, which you have just said is far worse, to a safer place and be the cause a spread there?

Anyone traveling shouldn't cry if it backfires and you have to quarantine on return or worse loose holiday because it's cancelled. It's the risk you choose to travel right now.

That's the elephant.

Assuming you're quoting me you might want to do further research before you start criticising. Reading the post properly would be a start "

Please show where I've criticised anyone. I've made some observations based upon what has been happening around the world. You seem to have taken thibgs bit personal where no direct offense or criticism has been made. I thought that as a public forum different views were acceptable but to take personal isn't a good way forward.

Please explain your comment about needing further research as I don't follow your statement.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"

For those who argue it's safer where they are going are only just thinking about themselves. So basically it's ok for you to take it from UK, which you have just said is far worse, to a safer place and be the cause a spread there?

Please show where I've criticised anyone. "

I said ASSUMING ...you can read the post ?

Like you I think it's admissible to share my views and question the views of others on a forum.

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By *rgasmicFunCouple
over a year ago

Gwent

From what im watching and listening, all flights r still on, jet2 will take u where ever u want going against gov recomendations, as r most leading airlines, your holidays r still there, its the returning self isolation thats the problem,insurance wont cover u against covid19, or no work from self idolation,

But personaly still dont understand y any one would go any where on a plane when there is still a world wide epidemic that kills people??.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"From what im watching and listening, all flights r still on, jet2 will take u where ever u want going against gov recomendations, as r most leading airlines, your holidays r still there, its the returning self isolation thats the problem,insurance wont cover u against covid19, or no work from self idolation,

But personaly still dont understand y any one would go any where on a plane when there is still a world wide epidemic that kills people??."

Jet2 aren't taking bookings for mainland Spain

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By *rgasmicFunCouple
over a year ago

Gwent


"From what im watching and listening, all flights r still on, jet2 will take u where ever u want going against gov recomendations, as r most leading airlines, your holidays r still there, its the returning self isolation thats the problem,insurance wont cover u against covid19, or no work from self idolation,

But personaly still dont understand y any one would go any where on a plane when there is still a world wide epidemic that kills people??.

Jet2 aren't taking bookings for mainland Spain"

Not taking bookings but still flighing ppl already booked aperently,as of this morning, but info changing all the time.

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By *52s OP   Couple
over a year ago

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we concur Aleppo would be safer and just as much to look at, plus the weather is good this time of year and guess what no elephants

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Ah well, refund,rebook for late August and repeat

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Ah well, refund,rebook for late August and repeat "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gov website

27 July 2020

Latest update:

FCO advice against all non-essential travel to Spain now applies to the whole country, including the Balearic and Canary Islands

From 27 July, the FCO advise against all non-essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic and Canary Islands, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks in the country

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Gov website

27 July 2020

Latest update:

FCO advice against all non-essential travel to Spain now applies to the whole country, including the Balearic and Canary Islands

From 27 July, the FCO advise against all non-essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic and Canary Islands, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks in the country"

Yes, several posts already

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By *k2nkCouple
over a year ago

livingston

In relation to the islands sky news is reporting that the latest advice came after the government considered " the impact of the requirement to self isolate on return to the uk"

As opposed to the covid risk on the islands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have just read Jet 2 NOT now operating to Balearics or Canary Isles from Tuesday, Onky Tui and Jet 2 stopped so far, commiserations to anyobe that has had last minute cacellation

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By *illiedecCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Having just returned to the UK from Gran Canaria and now under 14 days house arrest I know which island I feel more safe on and it certainly isn’t the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having just returned to the UK from Gran Canaria and now under 14 days house arrest I know which island I feel more safe on and it certainly isn’t the UK "

We are in Spain at our place right now. The way the local municipalities have jumped to Lockdown in some nearby areas was impressive to say the least. We feel far safer here than back in Lancashire as its got one of the highest rates in the UK .

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By *osexyCouple
over a year ago

ST AUSTELL

Swinging during a pandemic what can possibly go wrong ?

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Swinging during a pandemic what can possibly go wrong ? "

You get an sti ?

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By *illiedecCouple
over a year ago

sheffield


"Swinging during a pandemic what can possibly go wrong ? "

We were not on a swinging holiday and totally agree with your concerns however the bars and restaurants were all strictly following the rules and guidelines

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By *illynmintCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Local representatives of The Queen will be round to put the Royal Seal on your door to make sure the house arrest is not broken

..lol

And have to agree. Having returned from Lanzarote on Friday, we feel 100% safer in the islands.

Face masks being worn. Hand sanitizer being used. people respecting the rules and both local and Guarda Police enforcing it.


"Having just returned to the UK from Gran Canaria and now under 14 days house arrest I know which island I feel more safe on and it certainly isn’t the UK "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who would be mad enough to book flights to attend a swing club /bar in the middle of a world wide covid epidemic, a bit like a sight seeing tour of Aleppo in the middle of the war

What about the people booking a holiday and not going to a swingers club or bar (thousand more, than us players)

I gather you have no empathy for them?!

"
hitting malta in 5 weeks for the bpm festival ! Yes probably not the smartest idea I’d be the first to agree but I’ll wear a mask and spend the majority of my time in the Porto loo social distancing !!!! If anything it’s a change of scenery with good music ! Cause I’m contemplating burning my Appartment down at this stage

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By *rgasmicFunCouple
over a year ago

Gwent

Its official the belearics and the canary islands r suposedly more safe than in uk with numbers so low, atm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I quarantined before I left for Spain 10 days ago, I'm here for a month. I got in my car, sat on a ferry (pretty much stayed in the cabin), then got back in my car and drove 1000km to my own house which is never rented and was empty since February. Am I selfish for going? To be honest it feels safer to be in Spain, everyone is wearing a mask, social distancing is observed and fines are handed out to rule breakers.

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By *hampagnepussytqCouple
over a year ago

Heathrow

Let me explain the elephant in the room. We are currently sitting in a villa in a mountain in Cabreras where the nearest other villa is 500m away. Went for a trek 2days who passed 2 cyclists all day. Went To Mojacar beach yesterday had about 50m of beach to ourselves. Going to Cabo de gato today expect to find near empty beach to strip off on. In other words the elephant in the room is only as big as you imagine it to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm off to Mojacar Beach today, do you come here often?

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By *elly39devonCouple
over a year ago

tavistock

going anywhere is risky, if we could all contain ourselves and stay at home and not riot or mix in bars with loads of others we have a chance of containing this but peoples attitude is weird. We have an apartment at vera playa bought last december we have not even picked up the keys yet but we are staying in UK as we dont think it sensible to travel. I feel as if 12 months of my life is lost but that is better than all of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please explain the elephant in room as I'm in gran canaria on my 2 week holiday total deaths in gran canaria 40th yes 40 deaths in total you in the uk have it under control only now at 80 th death a day 45000 so far think I'm in a very safe place

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands


"Please explain the elephant in room as I'm in gran canaria on my 2 week holiday total deaths in gran canaria 40th yes 40 deaths in total you in the uk have it under control only now at 80 th death a day 45000 so far think I'm in a very safe place "

I wish the fkn elephant would die lol

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By *magine gcCouple
over a year ago

From Gran Canaria not


"Please explain the elephant in room as I'm in gran canaria on my 2 week holiday total deaths in gran canaria 40th yes 40 deaths in total you in the uk have it under control only now at 80 th death a day 45000 so far think I'm in a very safe place "

last dead was on 13 June

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By *andy2123Couple
over a year ago

Portsmouth

Some people need to get out more lol

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Please explain the elephant in room as I'm in gran canaria on my 2 week holiday total deaths in gran canaria 40th yes 40 deaths in total you in the uk have it under control only now at 80 th death a day 45000 so far think I'm in a very safe place

I wish the fkn elephant would die lol"

Yeah, me too!

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By *ustusboth2013Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham

Our personal view on the OP question is we wouldn’t book flights to anywhere specifically to visit a swing club. We work hard enough so our holidays/weekend breaks have swinging clubs/bars as a add on.

That said, we are very cautious around this current pandemic and whilst keeping the risk down to a minimum, we are trying to be pragmatic with our decisions and they are calculated.

Equally, we do think of the bigger picture outside of ourselves and anything we can do with minimal outgoing risk, we will try and support.

As such, we have taken an element of risk with booking for later this year and Gran Canaria is an island we have fallen in love with, and that’s not purely for swinging reasons. We’ve played only a handful of times when we’ve been there.

I think which island is safer is a little irrelevant to each individual journey and there is always a risk in whatever steps are taken.

I believe statistically, Gran Canaria is currently showing it is as safe as anywhere if classed as a region.

So whilst we will have a holiday in the UK in August, come November we feel comfortable that we can spend a significant amount of time eating and drinking outdoors with a nice temperature, which in terms of personal risk, feels to be a better option for us, as it’s likely to be colder here in the UK and more indoor activity.

Granted there’s a quarantine period upon return currently, and we don’t know what the situation will be come November.

Hopefully there’ll be more development but we’ve made decisions based on current information and our holiday will be practiced with the “new norm”.

Should a lockdown be enforced once we’re over there, then so be it; we will have to react accordingly. We’ve experienced a miserable lockdown in the UK with terrible weather and nothing to do. So one on a balcony with the sun and a sangria doesn’t seem so bad.

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By *ismetcplCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

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By *ismetcplCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Here here justboth!!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Good post 'justusboth'

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By *ustusboth2013Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham

Thanks guys

Here’s to a San in Gran Can

#AlFrescoLife

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By *illynmintCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Well said !


"Our personal view on the OP question is we wouldn’t book flights to anywhere specifically to visit a swing club. We work hard enough so our holidays/weekend breaks have swinging clubs/bars as a add on.

That said, we are very cautious around this current pandemic and whilst keeping the risk down to a minimum, we are trying to be pragmatic with our decisions and they are calculated.

Equally, we do think of the bigger picture outside of ourselves and anything we can do with minimal outgoing risk, we will try and support.

As such, we have taken an element of risk with booking for later this year and Gran Canaria is an island we have fallen in love with, and that’s not purely for swinging reasons. We’ve played only a handful of times when we’ve been there.

I think which island is safer is a little irrelevant to each individual journey and there is always a risk in whatever steps are taken.

I believe statistically, Gran Canaria is currently showing it is as safe as anywhere if classed as a region.

So whilst we will have a holiday in the UK in August, come November we feel comfortable that we can spend a significant amount of time eating and drinking outdoors with a nice temperature, which in terms of personal risk, feels to be a better option for us, as it’s likely to be colder here in the UK and more indoor activity.

Granted there’s a quarantine period upon return currently, and we don’t know what the situation will be come November.

Hopefully there’ll be more development but we’ve made decisions based on current information and our holiday will be practiced with the “new norm”.

Should a lockdown be enforced once we’re over there, then so be it; we will have to react accordingly. We’ve experienced a miserable lockdown in the UK with terrible weather and nothing to do. So one on a balcony with the sun and a sangria doesn’t seem so bad."

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By *andy2123Couple
over a year ago

Portsmouth


"Our personal view on the OP question is we wouldn’t book flights to anywhere specifically to visit a swing club. We work hard enough so our holidays/weekend breaks have swinging clubs/bars as a add on.

That said, we are very cautious around this current pandemic and whilst keeping the risk down to a minimum, we are trying to be pragmatic with our decisions and they are calculated.

Equally, we do think of the bigger picture outside of ourselves and anything we can do with minimal outgoing risk, we will try and support.

As such, we have taken an element of risk with booking for later this year and Gran Canaria is an island we have fallen in love with, and that’s not purely for swinging reasons. We’ve played only a handful of times when we’ve been there.

I think which island is safer is a little irrelevant to each individual journey and there is always a risk in whatever steps are taken.

I believe statistically, Gran Canaria is currently showing it is as safe as anywhere if classed as a region.

So whilst we will have a holiday in the UK in August, come November we feel comfortable that we can spend a significant amount of time eating and drinking outdoors with a nice temperature, which in terms of personal risk, feels to be a better option for us, as it’s likely to be colder here in the UK and more indoor activity.

Granted there’s a quarantine period upon return currently, and we don’t know what the situation will be come November.

Hopefully there’ll be more development but we’ve made decisions based on current information and our holiday will be practiced with the “new norm”.

Should a lockdown be enforced once we’re over there, then so be it; we will have to react accordingly. We’ve experienced a miserable lockdown in the UK with terrible weather and nothing to do. So one on a balcony with the sun and a sangria doesn’t seem so bad."

Great Post, and a lot more realistic. X

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By *52s OP   Couple
over a year ago

close by

dumbo and Nelly playing Russian roulette while the herd thumps by , very jungle bookish but a total eye opener

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By *ustusboth2013Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who would be mad enough to book flights to attend a swing club /bar in the middle of a world wide covid epidemic, a bit like a sight seeing tour of Aleppo in the middle of the war "

I wouldn’t of booked a swingers gig ! But the Malta festival I had booked for September is canceled!

Still going to Malta tho have to get out of here !

Even if it means me been stuck in my house for 2 weeks wen I get home

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