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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair.

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By *ibliosWoman
18 weeks ago

Edinburgh

You say "not fair" so often. I wonder what your basis for comparison is.

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By *oisonSlutWoman
18 weeks ago

Glasgow


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair. "

Because without women you wouldn’t get any play at a club and you’d all be standing around wanking at the sight of each others cocks? Whilst if only women turned up and there were no men the bulk of us are bi and would probably still have a great night with each other ????? so your presumption that a club can’t run without you is false.

All clubs have a similar pricing structure that women pay less than men as it entices us in. If I had to pay the male price I’d probably just stay home and pick a couple of guys out of my messages to come round and play - I guess it’s about dynamic pricing, women can get men easily enough and we have the pick of them on Fab, if I popped up a meet for Friday night I’d be deluged with applicants, you pop up a meet and it would be tumble. Clubs cater to their market and know who will pay what.

Ask any men who were at Ecclesia last Friday if they thought they were ripped off with their entry fee? At one point there were six French Maids and one guy on a bed giving a show to many others.

As far as I am aware if you are referring to Ecclesia it is formally open now, I’ve certainly been going to GGGB in it every two weeks since last year so why would you consider it not open as it’s running club nights so why can’t it advertise? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder over something?

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


" Whilst if only women turned up and there were no men the bulk of us are bi and would probably still have a great night with each other ????? so your presumption that a club can’t run without you is false.

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That's a bit of a general sweeping statement to presume most women are bi . Maybe seems that way because their aren't as many females to the male ratio ,could be that women are more open about there sexuality as it's less a stigma for a woman than a man, there is as many bi guys and gay guys that would be quite happy to play male on male so in essence that part of your argument is flawed.

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By *asterMeliodasMan
18 weeks ago

Newmill


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair. "

It's not really unfair, it's the only way the setup can logically work. The reality is that there are *significantly* more men wanting to attend these events than there are women, so places for men are limited and one of the easier ways to make sure only those who are serious about it attend is to have a higher ticket price.

What do you think the outcome would be if everyone had to pay the same amount?

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By *oisonSlutWoman
18 weeks ago

Glasgow


" Whilst if only women turned up and there were no men the bulk of us are bi and would probably still have a great night with each other ????? so your presumption that a club can’t run without you is false.

That's a bit of a general sweeping statement to presume most women are bi . Maybe seems that way because their aren't as many females to the male ratio ,could be that women are more open about there sexuality as it's less a stigma for a woman than a man, there is as many bi guys and gay guys that would be quite happy to play male on male so in essence that part of your argument is flawed."

He’s targeting a specific club, Ecclesia which is currently only running GGGBs. And I can confidently assure you that almost every woman who was there last Friday was Bi. In fact most GGGB at clubs are high Bi women content. I wasn’t only talking about play but if only women turned up at a club we’d probably sit, have a chat and a laugh and get on with our night out exchanging stories and tales. He claims a club can’t run without men. I assume it could, I might not get any sex but I’d certainly still have a fun night out. At clubs, apart from Bi Nights, I haven’t yet seen two men play in an open area as there does seem to be a stigma around that.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


" Whilst if only women turned up and there were no men the bulk of us are bi and would probably still have a great night with each other ????? so your presumption that a club can’t run without you is false.

That's a bit of a general sweeping statement to presume most women are bi . Maybe seems that way because their aren't as many females to the male ratio ,could be that women are more open about there sexuality as it's less a stigma for a woman than a man, there is as many bi guys and gay guys that would be quite happy to play male on male so in essence that part of your argument is flawed.

He’s targeting a specific club, Ecclesia which is currently only running GGGBs. And I can confidently assure you that almost every woman who was there last Friday was Bi. In fact most GGGB at clubs are high Bi women content. I wasn’t only talking about play but if only women turned up at a club we’d probably sit, have a chat and a laugh and get on with our night out exchanging stories and tales. He claims a club can’t run without men. I assume it could, I might not get any sex but I’d certainly still have a fun night out. At clubs, apart from Bi Nights, I haven’t yet seen two men play in an open area as there does seem to be a stigma around that. "

The OP didnae mention gggb that was you . Plus your basing the fact most women are by off one particular night . All clubs operate by the same policy , plus he hasn't mentioned any particular club by name again that's been you . There is a few more clubs than ecclesia so unless you are a mind reader how do you know which one he meant .

Stand by my statement it's most definitely a sweeping statement to presume the majority of women who attend a club are bisexual , a gggb is only one night that's put on and it's pretty niche , not every woman is into gang bangs greedy or not ( not kink shaming at all each to their own) and a gggb you have very little women to draw the comparrasion of sexuality too .

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By *nomeo_and_julietCouple
18 weeks ago

Near Glasgow


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair. "

Supply and demand, basic economics really.

To be clear, I'm not a supporter of any business using price models like this, but, it is what it is.

Ultimately nobody is making anyone buy a ticket, if you dont like the price, dont buy.

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By *ennyjMan
18 weeks ago

falkirk


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair. "

Being a semi regular attendee at 2 clubs in Scotland and seeing the large male attendees they obviously have there business model on a working par. As others say you have a choice on payment ( pay or don't pay )

Perhaps you should clarify what premises u mean as not officially open as both clubs I attend don't hide anything

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By *melia DominaTV/TS
18 weeks ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

Old skool rule of thumb in the pub/club trade, keep the women happy, the guys come, they consume the alcohol and the pub makes money.

Translates to swinging clubs to.

Bring in the women, the men will follow.

To bring in the women to swinging clubs you need incentives, i.e. lower entrance fee.

Basic pub/club/swinging economics.

Sucks to be a single guy, but, that's how it goes.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago

At Cathouse they let women up the stairs before men, big queue of guys waiting at the side. I’ve spent many an aggrieved minute standing there as my friends skip the queue

I’m Bi, really don’t like the stigma. Would be great to have a truly Bisexual night/club!

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By *oisonSlutWoman
18 weeks ago

Glasgow


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The OP didnae mention gggb that was you . Plus your basing the fact most women are by off one particular night . All clubs operate by the same policy , plus he hasn't mentioned any particular club by name again that's been you . There is a few more clubs than ecclesia so unless you are a mind reader how do you know which one he meant .

Stand by my statement it's most definitely a sweeping statement to presume the majority of women who attend a club are bisexual , a gggb is only one night that's put on and it's pretty niche , not every woman is into gang bangs greedy or not ( not kink shaming at all each to their own) and a gggb you have very little women to draw the comparrasion of sexuality too . "

He mentions why is a club allowed to advertise events in the forum when it’s not officially open. Looking at the forum there is only one club that’s currently advertising events. It’s also only running GGGBs just now and hasn’t officially opened beyond that and I’ve been to every one of those. So no I’m not a mind reader but I can do reading comprehension. There’s only three official licensed clubs in Scotland, Bacchus occasionally advertises in this forum, CJs uses other extremely effective means to promote her nights and the Edinburgh club Fab doesn’t allow any mention of in here presumably due to licences. So he either means Bacchus or Ecclesia. If OP wants to confirm he wasn’t meaning Ecclesia then I’m happy to back down and apologise for assumptions made based on the second point in his post.

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By *oisonSlutWoman
18 weeks ago

Glasgow


"At Cathouse they let women up the stairs before men, big queue of guys waiting at the side. I’ve spent many an aggrieved minute standing there as my friends skip the queue

I’m Bi, really don’t like the stigma. Would be great to have a truly Bisexual night/club!"

CJs run a Gay/Bi Male night monthly, details are on their profile. There’s a few clubs down south have monthly full Bi nights with women too. Club Play and Chameleons being two I’m aware of.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago

Yes I know about those, Bi Fun Club is good too in London.

Not complaining just observing Gay/Bi at CJs sounds not dissimilar to the pipeworks

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By *assy LassieWoman
18 weeks ago

Lanarkshire

It's strange how only 1 club is allowed to advertise on the scotland forum. The others have to use their profile or events section in meets/events for scotland.

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By *asterMeliodasMan
18 weeks ago

Newmill


"It's strange how only 1 club is allowed to advertise on the scotland forum. The others have to use their profile or events section in meets/events for scotland.

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Like they're literally not permitted to? That is strange.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


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The OP didnae mention gggb that was you . Plus your basing the fact most women are by off one particular night . All clubs operate by the same policy , plus he hasn't mentioned any particular club by name again that's been you . There is a few more clubs than ecclesia so unless you are a mind reader how do you know which one he meant .

Stand by my statement it's most definitely a sweeping statement to presume the majority of women who attend a club are bisexual , a gggb is only one night that's put on and it's pretty niche , not every woman is into gang bangs greedy or not ( not kink shaming at all each to their own) and a gggb you have very little women to draw the comparrasion of sexuality too .

He mentions why is a club allowed to advertise events in the forum when it’s not officially open. Looking at the forum there is only one club that’s currently advertising events. It’s also only running GGGBs just now and hasn’t officially opened beyond that and I’ve been to every one of those. So no I’m not a mind reader but I can do reading comprehension. There’s only three official licensed clubs in Scotland, Bacchus occasionally advertises in this forum, CJs uses other extremely effective means to promote her nights and the Edinburgh club Fab doesn’t allow any mention of in here presumably due to licences. So he either means Bacchus or Ecclesia. If OP wants to confirm he wasn’t meaning Ecclesia then I’m happy to back down and apologise for assumptions made based on the second point in his post.

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As you say baccuhus and ecclesia both advertise in the Scotland forum , but my point wasn't about which club it was about the statement you made about most women being bi that attends clubs

1. Clubs have regulars but also have newbies attending so would be hard to determine who is bi .

2. GGGB's is a small handful of women that's the purpose of a GGGB

3. There is more men to women ratio so working out whether more women are bisexual than men is flawed .

4. On the whole a lot more women are more openly bisexual than men because more so than often it feeds into a male perpetuated fantasy, so no fear of repercussion of stepping outside masculinity as it would have for men (it's a sad fact in this day and age this still exists ) ...

That was my whole point in posting on the thread no about getting into it about certain clubs and it's patrons but on the whole of bisexuality in women after reading your statement.

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By *oisonSlutWoman
18 weeks ago

Glasgow


"It's strange how only 1 club is allowed to advertise on the scotland forum. The others have to use their profile or events section in meets/events for scotland.

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That’s their choice. The rules when they changed them for Scotland forum were that clubs themself could still advertise their events in Scotland forum alongside any socials people were planning but people posting ‘who’s going to CJs/Ecclesia/Bacchus’ had to go in club discussions. So it’s not funny at all, just the other clubs not doing what they’re allowed.

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By *assy LassieWoman
18 weeks ago

Lanarkshire


"It's strange how only 1 club is allowed to advertise on the scotland forum. The others have to use their profile or events section in meets/events for scotland.

That’s their choice. The rules when they changed them for Scotland forum were that clubs themself could still advertise their events in Scotland forum alongside any socials people were planning but people posting ‘who’s going to CJs/Ecclesia/Bacchus’ had to go in club discussions. So it’s not funny at all, just the other clubs not doing what they’re allowed. "

I will consider myself telt!

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By *oisonSlutWoman
18 weeks ago

Glasgow


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I will consider myself telt! "

Sorry I didn’t mean to sound rude, I was sitting in the pub quiz replying. Original poster started this implying there’s some secret favouritism going on which there quite clearly isn’t. It’s just people not remembering what was said when they tightened up posting to Scotland forum.

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By *Carver-Man
18 weeks ago

Glasgow

I'm not crazy about the way this question is framed, but a friend once told me she worries that the pricing structure contributes to a sense of entitlement among male attendees, that they "want to get their money's worth".

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By *yrshirecurvesWoman
18 weeks ago

Ayrshire


"You say "not fair" so often. I wonder what your basis for comparison is."

Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


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I will consider myself telt!

Sorry I didn’t mean to sound rude, I was sitting in the pub quiz replying. Original poster started this implying there’s some secret favouritism going on which there quite clearly isn’t. It’s just people not remembering what was said when they tightened up posting to Scotland forum. "

Was supposed to be all club discussion we're to be moved to the club section and the reason being the role call for attending, while posts for socials were to stay put , all cjs posts are moved .. but seems like favouritism because it's one rule for one and one for the other . I distinctly remember the forum post asking users opinions because the minority objected to the scotland forum being filled with club posts , I disagreed if a post is of no interest scroll past it , but now cjs post gets swamped in the club section whilst other clubs and promoters are allowed to post in the scotland forum .. its hardly fair and it's folks businesses being messed with .

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By *assy LassieWoman
18 weeks ago

Lanarkshire


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I will consider myself telt!

Sorry I didn’t mean to sound rude, I was sitting in the pub quiz replying. Original poster started this implying there’s some secret favouritism going on which there quite clearly isn’t. It’s just people not remembering what was said when they tightened up posting to Scotland forum.

Was supposed to be all club discussion we're to be moved to the club section and the reason being the role call for attending, while posts for socials were to stay put , all cjs posts are moved .. but seems like favouritism because it's one rule for one and one for the other . I distinctly remember the forum post asking users opinions because the minority objected to the scotland forum being filled with club posts , I disagreed if a post is of no interest scroll past it , but now cjs post gets swamped in the club section whilst other clubs and promoters are allowed to post in the scotland forum .. its hardly fair and it's folks businesses being messed with . "

This is how I remembered it too. Socials were to stay in scotland forum and all club events and discussions were to be moved.

Also it was supposed to be for a trial period to see if it worked. It doesn't as they are all swamped in the UK sections unless you know the name of the thread to search. Scotland forum isn't that busy that you can't just scroll past.

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By *asterMeliodasMan
18 weeks ago

Newmill


"I'm not crazy about the way this question is framed, but a friend once told me she worries that the pricing structure contributes to a sense of entitlement among male attendees, that they "want to get their money's worth"."

That's actually a really compelling point. I can definitely see some guys having an attitude like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


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I will consider myself telt!

Sorry I didn’t mean to sound rude, I was sitting in the pub quiz replying. Original poster started this implying there’s some secret favouritism going on which there quite clearly isn’t. It’s just people not remembering what was said when they tightened up posting to Scotland forum.

Was supposed to be all club discussion we're to be moved to the club section and the reason being the role call for attending, while posts for socials were to stay put , all cjs posts are moved .. but seems like favouritism because it's one rule for one and one for the other . I distinctly remember the forum post asking users opinions because the minority objected to the scotland forum being filled with club posts , I disagreed if a post is of no interest scroll past it , but now cjs post gets swamped in the club section whilst other clubs and promoters are allowed to post in the scotland forum .. its hardly fair and it's folks businesses being messed with .

This is how I remembered it too. Socials were to stay in scotland forum and all club events and discussions were to be moved.

Also it was supposed to be for a trial period to see if it worked. It doesn't as they are all swamped in the UK sections unless you know the name of the thread to search. Scotland forum isn't that busy that you can't just scroll past."

defo was this way, exactly this i dont understand why folk just couldnae scroll past ... now 1 scottish club has to try n keep up the visabilty in a club section in the forum in a sea with english clubs while other clubs /nights are free to post on the scottish forms at there lesuire .I honestly dont get why it was even an issue , seems to appease the minority who was vocal about it, sensorship at its best x

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/scotland/1617880

case in point , been active on scotland forum for a week without be moved to the club section of the forum , blatantly advertising the club , by the way i have no problem with the club just the favourtism thats shown towards it .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

I just want to say this, ladies please be very careful at these events. You'll not hear about any issues from people who can't accept any negative criticism which is very dangerous. Always bring someone with you to keep an eye while you are playing, these environments aren't as safe as you are being told.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


"I just want to say this, ladies please be very careful at these events. You'll not hear about any issues from people who can't accept any negative criticism which is very dangerous. Always bring someone with you to keep an eye while you are playing, these environments aren't as safe as you are being told."

clubs are the safest place too meet ..... fact ! do you go to clubs or u basing it on assumptions

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By *ittyScritchesWoman
18 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"I just want to say this, ladies please be very careful at these events. You'll not hear about any issues from people who can't accept any negative criticism which is very dangerous. Always bring someone with you to keep an eye while you are playing, these environments aren't as safe as you are being told."

Thank you for mansplaining that environments featuring alcohol and horny men can be unpleasant, if not outright dangerous

Any woman here could reel off a laundry list of precautions that have been drilled into them since before puberty in a desperate bid to make things less unsafe.

Instead of putting the emphasis on women to "be careful", it would serve men better to put their energy into creating safer spaces and holding their peers accountable for their bad (or worse) behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

Also that will be last I highlight any safety issues, people can find out for themselves. The swinging scene definitely doesn't have any issues

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

I didn't right that with no evidence to back it up,there was issues at Ecclesia last week and yet no one knows ,interesting that considering some of the people on this thread were there. Typical misandry from the replies that are very dangerous. A man can't give advice even though its correct ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

Id also like to add it happened in a club that isn't officially opened but yeah safe as house's

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By *ennyjMan
18 weeks ago

falkirk

As someone who was at ecclesia as recently as last week I certainly wasn't aware or seen anything happening? Albeit I left not long b4 end of night ; I've always felt it was /is controlled and monitored well

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By *ittyScritchesWoman
18 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"Id also like to add it happened in a club that isn't officially opened but yeah safe as house's "

As opposed to the one that's trading without permissions and has been issued with an enforcement notice?

The point you seem to be missing is that most spaces shouldn't be considered 'safe', and typically aren't for or by women, your 'advice' is deeply patronising and if you're only now coming to sabe and defend us all based on one incident at one club that you've recently come to hear about then I dread to think where yoyr head's been buried all this time.

If you wanna have a shady crack at someone feel free, but don't make out it's about women's safety.

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By *cclesia_GlasgowCouple
18 weeks ago

Glasgow

Hi folks,

We’ve tried our best to stay clear of this. It’s our opinion that this thread was started by a troll, and it’s gotten out of hand. The person in question sent some quite nasty messages to us at the same time. These stemmed from a demand of cheaper entry which we denied and rejected. We believe this was initiated to get a reaction.

Our hope is that in posting this, it clarifies why we are able to post in forums. We also hope it puts this issue to bed. And we hope it shows we are being transparent with how we market our events and helps prevent any more failings out online.

So firstly, apologies to anyone and everyone in advance. This thread has clearly gotten out of hand, and it’s easy online to lose tone and meaning behind what’s meant. So, hopefully, this post puts people’s minds at ease.

There’s no favouritism. We don’t have some secret deal that allows us to post and others not to. There are only 4 clubs in Scotland. It is our understanding that all recognised clubs that haven’t broken fab rules are allowed to post in the Scotland forum. This stems from this:

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/scotland/1533705

To that end, it’s my personal understanding that there are restrictions on two clubs. It’s not our place to comment further on either of these other clubs. It would be unprofessional and would do them a disservice. But our mention of this is to clarify and avoid any speculation.

It is also at the individual club's discretion how and when they advertise. So if a particular club is choosing not to post in the forums, that’s their choice.

I hope this helps clarify the reason forum posts in Scotland are different. As someone stated already, posts migrated to club advertising are lost in the sea of posts of English clubs.

Someone has also asked why CJ's posts have been moved. This relates back to the forum rules. If the club in question posts, it will not be moved. If a patron posts, it will be. We only know this from paying attention to the forums and from threads posted by our attendees as well.

I hope this helps put this clarifies forum posting. All the best and happy fabbing,

The Ecclesia

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


"Hi folks,

We’ve tried our best to stay clear of this. It’s our opinion that this thread was started by a troll, and it’s gotten out of hand. The person in question sent some quite nasty messages to us at the same time. These stemmed from a demand of cheaper entry which we denied and rejected. We believe this was initiated to get a reaction.

Our hope is that in posting this, it clarifies why we are able to post in forums. We also hope it puts this issue to bed. And we hope it shows we are being transparent with how we market our events and helps prevent any more failings out online.

So firstly, apologies to anyone and everyone in advance. This thread has clearly gotten out of hand, and it’s easy online to lose tone and meaning behind what’s meant. So, hopefully, this post puts people’s minds at ease.

There’s no favouritism. We don’t have some secret deal that allows us to post and others not to. There are only 4 clubs in Scotland. It is our understanding that all recognised clubs that haven’t broken fab rules are allowed to post in the Scotland forum. This stems from this:

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/scotland/1533705

To that end, it’s my personal understanding that there are restrictions on two clubs. It’s not our place to comment further on either of these other clubs. It would be unprofessional and would do them a disservice. But our mention of this is to clarify and avoid any speculation.

It is also at the individual club's discretion how and when they advertise. So if a particular club is choosing not to post in the forums, that’s their choice.

I hope this helps clarify the reason forum posts in Scotland are different. As someone stated already, posts migrated to club advertising are lost in the sea of posts of English clubs.

Someone has also asked why CJ's posts have been moved. This relates back to the forum rules. If the club in question posts, it will not be moved. If a patron posts, it will be. We only know this from paying attention to the forums and from threads posted by our attendees as well.

I hope this helps put this clarifies forum posting. All the best and happy fabbing,

The Ecclesia"

as i said i have nothing against your club , no rules were broken just users complained about the scotland forum being taken up by club posts all club discussion were moved to the club section ..it seems like favourtism when your allowed to post on the sf and others arent , your not the only ones though .

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By *vcarolTV/TS
18 weeks ago

kilmarnockish


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair. "

I think you need to expand on the unfair bit.

Unless there’s another club opened up that I don’t know about, I think you also ought to confirm that it is Ecclesia you’re talking about.

If it is, ( and feel free to correct me), Ecclesia may not have had the official launch party, to formally say it’s arrived, but quite a few from on here and other sites have enjoyed its facilities.

Those facilities have full approval of the authorities, have all the health and safety and insurance in place.

Plus, if your so upset, and think that life is unfair to the male population, either switch sides and put the heels and lippy on , or find a place, get some beds/ sheets/ towels/ lights: heat: air con/ carpets/ decoration/ and every other thing you need before someone can legally walk through the door.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

No demands were ever made ,straight off the back with lie. I'm nothing but honest. Anyone has a right to an opinion about an establishment they have paid for a service.

Labeling me a troll when you where met with a respectful challenge says more about you than me.

You are not even officially open and yet you claim a status that puts your club in a protected bracket.

Can you at least admit their was several incidents at the unofficial club last event or just ignore that as it negatively impacts your business?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

Not officially open and yet gets to advertise events in a club no where near ready seems fair ?

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


"Hi folks,

We’ve tried our best to stay clear of this. It’s our opinion that this thread was started by a troll, and it’s gotten out of hand. The person in question sent some quite nasty messages to us at the same time. These stemmed from a demand of cheaper entry which we denied and rejected. We believe this was initiated to get a reaction.

Our hope is that in posting this, it clarifies why we are able to post in forums. We also hope it puts this issue to bed. And we hope it shows we are being transparent with how we market our events and helps prevent any more failings out online.

So firstly, apologies to anyone and everyone in advance. This thread has clearly gotten out of hand, and it’s easy online to lose tone and meaning behind what’s meant. So, hopefully, this post puts people’s minds at ease.

There’s no favouritism. We don’t have some secret deal that allows us to post and others not to. There are only 4 clubs in Scotland. It is our understanding that all recognised clubs that haven’t broken fab rules are allowed to post in the Scotland forum. This stems from this:

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/scotland/1533705

To that end, it’s my personal understanding that there are restrictions on two clubs. It’s not our place to comment further on either of these other clubs. It would be unprofessional and would do them a disservice. But our mention of this is to clarify and avoid any speculation.

It is also at the individual club's discretion how and when they advertise. So if a particular club is choosing not to post in the forums, that’s their choice.

I hope this helps clarify the reason forum posts in Scotland are different. As someone stated already, posts migrated to club advertising are lost in the sea of posts of English clubs.

Someone has also asked why CJ's posts have been moved. This relates back to the forum rules. If the club in question posts, it will not be moved. If a patron posts, it will be. We only know this from paying attention to the forums and from threads posted by our attendees as well.

I hope this helps put this clarifies forum posting. All the best and happy fabbing,

The Ecclesia

as i said i have nothing against your club , no rules were broken just users complained about the scotland forum being taken up by club posts all club discussion were moved to the club section ..it seems like favourtism when your allowed to post on the sf and others arent , your not the only ones though ."

and as a footnote ,even discussions around certain clubs are moved to the club section x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

Why are you not concerned with the fact it happened and the people who where there aren't brave enough to be honest and declare it happened, it does happen and the club didn't act accordingly rather than have a go a man for bringing light to it, only found out myself yesterday so relax with conspiracy stuff.

Toxic feminists are the death of feminism and a danger to all women.

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By *vcarolTV/TS
18 weeks ago

kilmarnockish


"Why are you not concerned with the fact it happened and the people who where there aren't brave enough to be honest and declare it happened, it does happen and the club didn't act accordingly rather than have a go a man for bringing light to it, only found out myself yesterday so relax with conspiracy stuff.

Toxic feminists are the death of feminism and a danger to all women. "

By your own admission your information is based on heresy evidence.

So , what has been said. It appears it is suffering from some embellishment.

I’d leave the feminist argument as a separate debate, your original argument was on the unfairness to males.

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By *octor WhenMan
18 weeks ago

GLASGOW


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair.

Because without women you wouldn’t get any play at a club and you’d all be standing around wanking at the sight of each others cocks? Whilst if only women turned up and there were no men the bulk of us are bi and would probably still have a great night with each other ????? so your presumption that a club can’t run without you is false.

All clubs have a similar pricing structure that women pay less than men as it entices us in. If I had to pay the male price I’d probably just stay home and pick a couple of guys out of my messages to come round and play - I guess it’s about dynamic pricing, women can get men easily enough and we have the pick of them on Fab, if I popped up a meet for Friday night I’d be deluged with applicants, you pop up a meet and it would be tumble. Clubs cater to their market and know who will pay what.

Ask any men who were at Ecclesia last Friday if they thought they were ripped off with their entry fee? At one point there were six French Maids and one guy on a bed giving a show to many others.

As far as I am aware if you are referring to Ecclesia it is formally open now, I’ve certainly been going to GGGB in it every two weeks since last year so why would you consider it not open as it’s running club nights so why can’t it advertise? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder over something? "

I wouldn't agree with the OP completely but, but I would be curious how successful clubs would be without any men at all, I fully understand the point of the pricing structure is to subsidised the womens entry fee.

You say that women can get sex easier than men, I would agree with that in general terms but if you look at the quality if the men they would be meeting i think it would be guys from the " any holes a goal" brigade.

So really its easier for both sexes to meet less fussy individuals. Its just in general more men are less fussy. So its skews the statistics, I know from my own experience, the amount of women I have met for socials over my various times on fab would be about 40 and I have only wanted to take it any further with less than 5 of them.

I think your post shows up a phenomenon that happens on fab, where the ratio difference in men to women makes many women feel like they have an elevated status that they feel they dont have in everyday life.

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By *octor WhenMan
18 weeks ago

GLASGOW


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair. "

If men didn't pay it then they would have to reduce it or raise the prices for women and couples.

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
18 weeks ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!


"Why are men getting treated unfairly when the clubs don't run without them.

How come a certain business is allowed to advertise in the Scottish section for club activities when it's not even officially open ? Doesn't seem fair.

Because without women you wouldn’t get any play at a club and you’d all be standing around wanking at the sight of each others cocks? Whilst if only women turned up and there were no men the bulk of us are bi and would probably still have a great night with each other ????? so your presumption that a club can’t run without you is false.

All clubs have a similar pricing structure that women pay less than men as it entices us in. If I had to pay the male price I’d probably just stay home and pick a couple of guys out of my messages to come round and play - I guess it’s about dynamic pricing, women can get men easily enough and we have the pick of them on Fab, if I popped up a meet for Friday night I’d be deluged with applicants, you pop up a meet and it would be tumble. Clubs cater to their market and know who will pay what.

Ask any men who were at Ecclesia last Friday if they thought they were ripped off with their entry fee? At one point there were six French Maids and one guy on a bed giving a show to many others.

As far as I am aware if you are referring to Ecclesia it is formally open now, I’ve certainly been going to GGGB in it every two weeks since last year so why would you consider it not open as it’s running club nights so why can’t it advertise? Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder over something?

I wouldn't agree with the OP completely but, but I would be curious how successful clubs would be without any men at all, I fully understand the point of the pricing structure is to subsidised the womens entry fee.

You say that women can get sex easier than men, I would agree with that in general terms but if you look at the quality if the men they would be meeting i think it would be guys from the " any holes a goal" brigade.

So really its easier for both sexes to meet less fussy individuals. Its just in general more men are less fussy. So its skews the statistics, I know from my own experience, the amount of women I have met for socials over my various times on fab would be about 40 and I have only wanted to take it any further with less than 5 of them.

I think your post shows up a phenomenon that happens on fab, where the ratio difference in men to women makes many women feel like they have an elevated status that they feel they dont have in everyday life.

"

100% spot on comments

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By *ittyScritchesWoman
18 weeks ago

Edinburgh

Most kink clubs don't have differential pricing and seem to manage alright.

Personally I don't see why as a single person I should pay more or have to find a chum than what it works out as per person if I were in a couple so I don't tend to bother.

I don't consider it 'discrimination' or societal injustice though - it's business, and I respond by taking mine elsewhere.

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By *onderlust69Couple
18 weeks ago

Central belt

Can we start a fab petition to have all our club stuff back in the Scottish forum? It's definitely had an adverse affect on the club posts and engagement between those going. Does anyone else want to see this reversed?

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


"Can we start a fab petition to have all our club stuff back in the Scottish forum? It's definitely had an adverse affect on the club posts and engagement between those going. Does anyone else want to see this reversed?"

i think they should never have been moved in the first place , even less so after seeing the bias . its censorship at its best.

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By *ife NinjaMan
18 weeks ago

Dunfermline

You know what you're paying before you go. Everyone knows the score. If it was cheaper, you'd get loads of pissed up fellas, groping and demanding sex.

It is what it is. If it's too expensive, don't go

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By *echnaMan
18 weeks ago

Shires and near

All clubs UK wide have dynamic pricing. Simple supply and demand.

My own thoughts, if the gentleman would pay and or take membership he is more likely to understand the lifestyle. I’m a member at a number of clubs, regularly attending when I’m staying near them. Majority of the time without ‘playing’ but enjoying the atmosphere and company and other members. To me a club is a members bar that is exclusive but also all encompassing and inclusive.

Either ‘couple up’ and attend, or accept as a single bloke we vastly outnumber what is desirable and we will probably pay more for privilege.

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By *ella MacabreWoman
18 weeks ago

Crystal River

So the labyrinth’s a piece of cake is it?? Sorry couldn’t resist lol xx

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By *echnaMan
18 weeks ago

Shires and near


"So the labyrinth’s a piece of cake is it?? Sorry couldn’t resist lol xx "

Confused ??

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By *unkcatCouple
18 weeks ago

falkirk


"You say "not fair" so often. I wonder what your basis for comparison is."

Through dangers untold and hardships unnumbered.....

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By *unkcatCouple
18 weeks ago

falkirk

I replied with a similar comment haha, good to see someone else clocked that reference.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

You may be happy accepting mediocrity and unfair treatment but don't expect rational people to go along with you.

You are assuming I haven't been to any clubs or bought a membership which is ignorant.

I witnessed 3 d*unk women being allowed in to AD about an hour before it finished for 20 quid a pop no membership or anything, I had been nearer 80 for my social,membership and entry fee. Ill never go anywhere where my custom is treated like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago

Most men know how to behave and treat women, kinda uncomfortable that people assume if a man's d*unk he's dangerous , I get there are cases out there but on the whole most I have met socially and otherwise know how to treat a women and understand what consent is .

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By *uriousCouple_EdiCouple
18 weeks ago

Edinburgh

I think this might actually be a moot point. Seeing as there's usually fewer women at most nights (even excluding GGGPs), normalising the prices probably wouldn't generate much extra revenue so you wouldn't even see your entry fee decrease by that much. This would be further compounded by a lower attendance from women (we'd certainly end up going to fewer nights if we had to pay more). Instead of paying £40 to go to a club with a few women, you might find yourself paying £30 to get into a sausage fest.

Do any of the single men on here actually want that?

I (Mr) am a lot more available than Ms, so I often go alone and have no issues paying the price if it means there'll be a better balance (even if I don't end up playing). I'm not even minted or anything, but I'd rather pay £40 for a good night than even just wasting my effort going to a free night that had the vibe of a run-down pub.

There are a myriad of knock-on effects that policies and pricing can have, if it were as simple and workable as you seem to imply then I'm sure there'd be at least one swingers club/event that would have tried and persisted with it.

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By *uriousCouple_EdiCouple
18 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"Can you at least admit their was several incidents at the unofficial club last event or just ignore that as it negatively impacts your business? "

We were actually at Ecclesia at the last event. I can't speak for any other incidents (we're not aware of them), but there was one involving a weirdo that was bothering us towards the end of the night. The staff at the club were able to spot and deal with him fairly promptly. Ms was happy with how they handled the situation and felt a lot safer knowing they were willing to eject and ban him immediately.

Unfortunately, men like that exist everywhere. I wish it weren't the case and we could do a lot more collectively to stop them. But if you were to shut down every location where incidents like this have occured there wouldn't be any pubs, bars, night clubs, swingers clubs, offices, schools, shops, public transport, etc. left open.

The best a club can realistically do is to vet guests (doesn't always work) and stay on top of things, whacking all the moles that pop up, asap. Until someone invents the precogs from Minority Report, no one can reasonably preempt stochastic acts of sexual misconduct. Though if you disagree, I think we'd all benefit greatly from you sharing your secrets.

I think it's distasteful that you're using this to score points against clubs for daring to charge you a few quid extra for entry. Deal with it and stop acting like you're so virtuous in your defence of all women

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By *allerthanaverage79Man
18 weeks ago

Ayrshire


"You say "not fair" so often. I wonder what your basis for comparison is."

That's not fair!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
18 weeks ago

Your being disingenuous at nest here , there are forum posts by woman and Ecclesia asking for more men due to high numbers of women applying ( 5 quid a whip will do that) encouraging males to come at 40 quid a head is scandalous.

15 and 30 seems far more fair but some men are happy with how it works

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By *ugby 123Couple
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18 weeks ago

O o O oo


"It's strange how only 1 club is allowed to advertise on the scotland forum. The others have to use their profile or events section in meets/events for scotland.

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This is not correct.

Clubs / socials can post in this section.

The "who's going to blah blah" threads should be posted in the Club discussion section.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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18 weeks ago

O o O oo


"

Was supposed to be all club discussion we're to be moved to the club section and the reason being the role call for attending, while posts for socials were to stay put , all cjs posts are moved .. but seems like favouritism because it's one rule for one and one for the other . I distinctly remember the forum post asking users opinions because the minority objected to the scotland forum being filled with club posts , I disagreed if a post is of no interest scroll past it , but now cjs post gets swamped in the club section whilst other clubs and promoters are allowed to post in the scotland forum .. its hardly fair and it's folks businesses being messed with . "

This is not correct

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By *ugby 123Couple
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18 weeks ago

O o O oo


"https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/scotland/1617880

case in point , been active on scotland forum for a week without be moved to the club section of the forum , blatantly advertising the club , by the way i have no problem with the club just the favourtism thats shown towards it .

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You ( and many others ) have it wrong even when someone posted the thread on question.

Club events and socials stay in this section. Asking who is going to a certain club on a certain night is moved to the club discussion section.

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/scotland/1533705

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By *ugby 123Couple
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18 weeks ago

O o O oo

It might be time to close this now.

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