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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If you could choose anyone? I like vince cable

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

Caroline Lucus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jacob Rees Mogg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your mum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me, I reckon I could run the country.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Mr Bean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mr Bean, probably do a better job of it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chukka Umuna or Sajid Javed

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Sadiq Khan

Or

David Attenborough

Maybe a joint pm

Ant and dec?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Devil, Asaroth, Batman.

Really, who gives a shit. I either get a hard line conservative millionaire with a bond villain plot to fuck the working poor or a soft lefty millionaire with white guilt and no spine.

Either way I am fucked. I was born in the dirt and despite working hard I will die in the dirt also. Kinda hard to see their problems when I a too busy wiping their shit from my eyes.

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Billy Connolly who else

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Nicola Sturgeon.... that would put the cat amongst the pigeons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It comes to something when Jeremy Hunt would seem a viable option

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe that as part of the current 'deal', our next PM is Jean-Claude Juncker

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Thing is I don’t like Theresa May, I felt she stuck the knife in David Cameron

But who ever is PM at this point was always fighting a losing battle!

Hence why Boris didn’t want the job at the time, he’s no fool it wS a poison chalice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Billy Connolly who else "

Can you imagine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nicola Sturgeon.... that would put the cat amongst the pigeons "

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sean Bean

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By *orningtonCroissantMan
over a year ago

notts and humberside

Anna soubry

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

It makes no difference who it is!

Whether Tory or Labour (no other party likely) it will be a weak, shallow excuse for a human being that will lie, extort the people and line his/her own pockets at our expense.

One thing is for certain, unlike here on Fab, everybody will be well fucked by them!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Mark Lancaster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brian Blessed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brian Blessed"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brendan Rodgers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Billy Connolly who else "
He's already sorted The National Anthem out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

White1100.

A popular choice I believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really care who is living in Downing Street, I want Brexit either done or cancelled, don't care which.

It is taking too much attention while wages stagnate workers rights disappear, companies struggle with debt and uncertainty. And people on benefits get told that they can wait a month before getting grocery money.

Bloody shambles is part politician and part electorate fault, but this news today is just more political shambles to cover up the lack of any real government work getting done.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Me, I reckon I could run the country. "
I reckon so too lol

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By *ot-AshMan
over a year ago

London

Katherine Jenkins The Welsh opera singer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you could choose anyone? I like vince cable "

Really?

The man is so out of touch with the people it's almost laughable.

Good thing really that he isn't a contender.

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination

Bungle!

If just for the hell of seeing him greet and shake hands with foreign dignitaries, etc.

It's probably just as well I've no say in the matter.....

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By *ophleeCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

Why not the king of the jungle lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Harry Rednap

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Id like anyonr that has the back bone to hard exit if the deal is refused.

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By *entileschiWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Stephen Fry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

King boris

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Corbyn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alan sugar

Then the apprentice will rule the world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Holly Willabooby

All the countries will be nice to us.. even Russia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. "
he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ozzy Osborne would get my vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. "

We're doomed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country "

Go on...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country "

How about Dianne Abbott then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. "
We would all be totally fucked if it was Corbyn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. We would all be totally fucked if it was Corbyn "

Go on..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. We would all be totally fucked if it was Corbyn "

At least we will get some sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

Go on..."

go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

How about Dianne Abbott then? "

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By *electableDalliancesCouple
over a year ago

leeds

Someone perpetually hooked up to a lie detector, failing that, the Dalai Llama.

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By *r.BlondeMan
over a year ago

Chester/Wirral

Keir Starmer is a potential future Prime Minister.

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By *arumcoupleCouple
over a year ago

salisbury

David Cameron, he started this shit, let him clear it up !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop"

No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Me, I reckon I could run the country. I reckon so too lol "

well that's one vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why not the king of the jungle lol"

I don't want it lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

How about Dianne Abbott then? "

Dianne Abbot for chancellor of the Exchequer pmsl

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop

No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?"

No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Teresa May or may not better the devil you know

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

The Corporatocracy run the world ...not your governments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop

No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?

No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum"

Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle.

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By *erby DomCouple
over a year ago

Ashbourne(ish) and Chesterfield(ish)

Vinnie Jones - send him to Europe to negotiate with a 12 inch dildo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place


"Keir Starmer is a potential future Prime Minister."

I agree, he’s the most credible candidate for labour.

I like Caroline Lucas a lot too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so "

You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It comes to something when Jeremy Hunt would seem a viable option "

I'd rather gag on my own vomit than have this cunt in charge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Keir Starmer is a potential future Prime Minister."

Ha ha ha that's a good one.

Tell me another

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By *ickeyblueeyes7Man
over a year ago

newport

Johnny English

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jack Bauer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so "

Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader.

The only problem with your argument is that she was in favour of tge European project.

That said though, I do agree that, if she were in Theresa Mays position she would have been a lot stronger and told the EU exactly where to go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader.

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Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here.

Scary as all fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stormzy ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader.

Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here.

Scary as all fuck"

im no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop

No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?

No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum

Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle."

Yep -the country is so fucked that this is all we have left - cheap laughs. I share your pain mate really I do -but I would say you're probably wasting your time using fancy things like reason and logic against the emotive pavlovian instincts of those that get all their spleen spitting information from either the daily Mail or Murdoch himself.

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader.

Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here.

Scary as all fuckim no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger"

I would agree at some level with you -but it's been an issue with not just labour but parties across the spectrum for a good while now. No party out there has any real concrete vision of where they want to take things -all they do is continually pander to big business and the nimby brigade without having the balls to address the issues that really matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop

No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?

No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum

Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle."

because he seems to me to be spineless when it counts

Same as that may

Fuck me id have jeremy clarkson offer him he is the definition of looser

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Me, I reckon I could run the country. I reckon so too lol

well that's one vote. "

Yes, there is one vote for me to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love her or hate her Margret thatcher got the job done but lot of people hated her never mind both parties are fucked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country

Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop

No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?

No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum

Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle.because he seems to me to be spineless when it counts

Same as that may

Fuck me id have jeremy clarkson offer him he is the definition of looser"

He's stayed leader despite an immemse smear campaign, seems the opposite of spineless to me. He has popular support too. Who knew?

Let me know what Y

The Sun or The Daily Mail say about him today.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

Jeremy Clarkson

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader.

Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here.

Scary as all fuckim no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger

I would agree at some level with you -but it's been an issue with not just labour but parties across the spectrum for a good while now. No party out there has any real concrete vision of where they want to take things -all they do is continually pander to big business and the nimby brigade without having the balls to address the issues that really matter."

Thats why Corbyn isn't popular with the establishment. Left wing politics, whilst being needed now more than ever, would fuck over a lot of people in power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

End of the day it doesn't matter what self serving arsehole is in charge, they are all only there for one thing THEMSELVES!

Let's get out of this euro mess and go our own way without a deal then watch them line up to sell us their cars, wine and all the other crap we buy off of them.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place


"Love her or hate her Margret thatcher got the job done but lot of people hated her never mind both parties are fucked "

That argument can be applied to all despots too.

Also she is dead!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"End of the day it doesn't matter what self serving arsehole is in charge, they are all only there for one thing THEMSELVES!

Let's get out of this euro mess and go our own way without a deal then watch them line up to sell us their cars, wine and all the other crap we buy off of them. "

This is obviously all getting a bit too much for you....a nice cup of tea required?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation? "

If families have allowed themselves to be divided over BREXIT then that's their fault for being so pathetic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That was a party political broadcast by me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation? "

That is sad, but the division within the country is a minor issue compared to all the shit we will have to deal with when we’re out of the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love her or hate her Margret thatcher got the job done but lot of people hated her never mind both parties are fucked

That argument can be applied to all despots too.

Also she is dead! "

Yes indeed. Pol Pot “got the job done”.

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Oakhill

Dildo Dave !!! at least you will know when you are being fucked.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation?

If families have allowed themselves to be divided over BREXIT then that's their fault for being so pathetic "

Perhaps. But it is real. I saw the same in Scotland in 2014. The divisiveness is wretched.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation? "
Yes it is and the northern ireland situation with the backstop and hard border that could be there.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

According to the bookies , the currant favourite to take over the Tory party from May if she loses ( although I don't think she will ) is Raab , who , only a few weeks ago , had no idea as to the importance of the Dover / Calais route for the UKs trade with the EU , while he was the Brexit secretary,,, good luck with that then

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

I would say anyone but corbyn, but then i remembered that could include diane abbott so anyone but those two

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If it could be Caroline Lucas, I'd be over the moon. For a short-term solution, then Jeremy Corbyn, who's known by the voters, following the recent general election and has good support. He's certainly going to aim for a fairer country and I'd love whoever it is to cancel Article 50, so that a long term plan could be developed and implemented.

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

I'd like to see a rainbow coalition steer us through this shite we've got ourselves into.

I think we should be able to cherry pick cabinet members based on their ability to fulfil their role, their integrity and passion from across all parties and they should be led by Chuka.

Jermey holds a special place in my heart and would deffo take his place on my rainbow cabinet somewhere.

Isn't that what politics is supposed to be about? MP's working to represent and do what's best for us and the UK rather than this game of chess? We are all pawns.

So my answer is Chuka.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

Tommy Boyd.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Mr farage...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?"

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

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over a year ago

George Clinton ... one nation under a groove ... let's make britain funky again

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

"

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

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over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser....."

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

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over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ? "

Belgian clients were telling us about Belgian politics - they have "several parliaments " and each has a say - makes British politics look simple!

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ? "

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"I believe that as part of the current 'deal', our next PM is Jean-Claude Juncker "

I thought he already is.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?"

Deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at a 50-year low.

The reason for that is the Good Friday Agreement.

Part of that agreement was to erase any evidence of a border.

That was possible only because both parts of Ireland were in the Single Market and Customs Union.

Brexiteers want to remove Northern Ireland from the Single Market and Customs Union.

That removes the commonality that underpins this element of the Good Friday Agreement.

Dublin’s position is common sense - the Good Friday Agreement delivers peace and save lives. It is not something to chuck away.

Common sense isn’t something to be found among the Brextremists.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

"

But there a quite a few in parts of Belgium who would love to be Dutch.

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over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

"

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada. "

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?"

How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post

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over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?"

I didn’t say the Irish border was like Israel. I was using it as a comparison against your comparison (to show comparisons need to be more carefully chosen)

Were the troubles about the economy? Was Gerry Adams a fund manager ?

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over a year ago

Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"If you could choose anyone? I like vince cable "
vera.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you could choose anyone? I like vince cable "

Penny Mordaunt

Well fit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Senior citizen he'd clean the streets up of 25 year olds

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over a year ago


"Senior citizen he'd clean the streets up of 25 year olds "

He’s got my vote!

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?

How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post"

I recall the issues well.

Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?

If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!

Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.

Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!

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over a year ago

Paul Chuckle

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

Hilary Benn.

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By *obbler1Man
over a year ago

Northampton

Shame Enoch Powell I'd no longer alive, , best man that never got the job.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Mr macron...he is doing such a great job in France with a popularity rating of 18 percent..

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. "

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?

How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post

I recall the issues well.

Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?

If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!

Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.

Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!

"

Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho

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over a year ago


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes. "

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?

How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post

I recall the issues well.

Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?

If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!

Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.

Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!

Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho"

Exactly this. If we don't do exactly what the Irish want they'll start murdering people all over again. So it's best to let them do as they please.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

satan. at least he is honest about being a self serving cunt unlike the shower of shit we have and that is right across parliment

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

"

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?

How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post

I recall the issues well.

Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?

If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!

Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.

Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!

Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho

Exactly this. If we don't do exactly what the Irish want they'll start murdering people all over again. So it's best to let them do as they please. "

Well the DUP arent scared of using a little leverage are they so perhaps we should just leave NI too so we can get on with Brexit or is that a bit complicated too

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?

How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post

I recall the issues well.

Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?

If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!

Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.

Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!

Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho"

It is an acceptable idea, in my view, there is no implication.....

I do not have friends or relatives that have lived through the situation and so I hold a practical rather than emotional view.

Your considered view that it is crass, as you lovingly refer back to, is borne not from a subjective or practical position but solely from a heart felt concern left in the past.

If all decisions were determined using your valuation then it is likely that nothing would ever change!

Accept that others view things differently!!

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury


"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice.

She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different.

Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country.

Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation.

Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher.

What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that.

Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.

Thanks.

I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....

Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.

I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?

France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.

It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.

In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?

Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?

How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post

I recall the issues well.

Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?

If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!

Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.

Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!

Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho

Exactly this. If we don't do exactly what the Irish want they'll start murdering people all over again. So it's best to let them do as they please.

Well the DUP arent scared of using a little leverage are they so perhaps we should just leave NI too so we can get on with Brexit or is that a bit complicated too "

Exactly! How much more justification do they need to continue killing men women and children. They almost deserve it when you put it like that.

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over a year ago


"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days"

You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

To answer your question OP then I'd pick Nigel Farage.

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over a year ago


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?"

Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury


"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days

You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game."

The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you.

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?

Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear."

The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?

Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear."

I thought the Eu came up with May's deal for her!

Macron said he wasn't going to give in to the protests in France but look what happened!

What people say and what they do are two completely different things!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?

Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.

The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good. "

Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember?

So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us!

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

Converted she's a remainer, the Tories got us into Europe, and she'll make sure we never leave this "hotel California".

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By *ross-eyed MaryMan
over a year ago

Salisbury

Trouble is i can see a situation where a general election ends up with remainers voting in a pro leave prime minister... and voting out the pro remain government.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?

Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.

The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good.

Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember?

So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us!"

The only problem is Theresa May's " road to Damascus" conversion was phoney she never was or will be a devout brexiteer! So that blows a hole in your theory!

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?

Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.

The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good.

Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember?

So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us!"

Who is Us?

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple
over a year ago

Dudley


"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M.

So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.

No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.

I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!

So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?

Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.

The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good.

Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember?

So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us!

Who is Us?"

The elite, choosen ones or whatever they like to call themselves!

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Boris

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nigel Farage, nobody else comes even close.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To answer your question OP then I'd pick Nigel Farage. "

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over a year ago


"Nigel Farage, nobody else comes even close. "

He's got to get elected 1st!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies?

What is the problem?

It is like comparing France and Belgium.

Am I missing something here?

Deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at a 50-year low.

The reason for that is the Good Friday Agreement.

Part of that agreement was to erase any evidence of a border.

That was possible only because both parts of Ireland were in the Single Market and Customs Union.

Brexiteers want to remove Northern Ireland from the Single Market and Customs Union.

That removes the commonality that underpins this element of the Good Friday Agreement.

Dublin’s position is common sense - the Good Friday Agreement delivers peace and save lives. It is not something to chuck away.

Common sense isn’t something to be found among the Brextremists."

If they would be prepared to throw the GFA under the bus just because of a border, then they can’t be that enthusiastic about peace. I’m fed up with hearing about them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nigel Farage, nobody else comes even close.

He's got to get elected 1st! "

I was answering the OP, if you don’t understand then read it again...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

TM to hold on to leadership. Less than 100 against.

My prediction (most unsure prediction I've ever made)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days

You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game.

The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you. "

It’s anything but a game and my point was that i was responding to a glib comment that showed a cavalier disregard for the peace that’s been achieved in Ireland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see everyone's in full agreement then

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood


"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days

You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game.

The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you.

It’s anything but a game and my point was that i was responding to a glib comment that showed a cavalier disregard for the peace that’s been achieved in Ireland"

glib comment? i qas just pointing out that the republicans and the unionists will find the world has changed in the last 20 years if the loony minority on both sides wana go back to that they will be i for a rude awakening.also i dont reakon the support will be there like it was.peeps have had 20yrs without fucking idiots blowing em up and shooting em

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over a year ago

Putin of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days

You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game.

The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you.

It’s anything but a game and my point was that i was responding to a glib comment that showed a cavalier disregard for the peace that’s been achieved in Ireland

glib comment? i qas just pointing out that the republicans and the unionists will find the world has changed in the last 20 years if the loony minority on both sides wana go back to that they will be i for a rude awakening.also i dont reakon the support will be there like it was.peeps have had 20yrs without fucking idiots blowing em up and shooting em"

Christ I really hope that is the case but terrorists tend to become gangsters and if they can make money out of smuggling fags booze guns drugs over a border thats what they will do and they will enforce there markets with violence.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"TM to hold on to leadership. Less than 100 against.

My prediction (most unsure prediction I've ever made) "

117 voted against so looks like yet another remain prediction/forecast that's turned out to be false.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"TM to hold on to leadership. Less than 100 against.

My prediction (most unsure prediction I've ever made)

117 voted against so looks like yet another remain prediction/forecast that's turned out to be false. "

LOL. At least I had the balls to call it and she did win. Where was your prediction?

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell."

Go on

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over a year ago


"TM to hold on to leadership. Less than 100 against.

My prediction (most unsure prediction I've ever made)

117 voted against so looks like yet another remain prediction/forecast that's turned out to be false. "

Still comfortable, what was your prediction?

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By *rownboy30Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Ken Clarke all the way

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell.

Go on"

Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY

the only prime minister with balls

She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted.

After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher

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We may have a self servant available after impeachment in 2019.

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By *_love_to_give_oralMan
over a year ago

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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell.

Go on

Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY

the only prime minister with balls

She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted.

After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher"

You do know that she died there about five years ago??

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell.

Go on

Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY

the only prime minister with balls

She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted.

After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher

You do know that she died there about five years ago??"

I do, sadly, but I await her successor and he or she will arrive.

There is now a time for such a person to step forward and be what this country needs. We have suffered under pious self profiting elitists such as Blair and Brown. We need firm leadership, someone unafraid to take this nation back to its pinnacle. Someone who can recognise the might and voracity of being British and not get down trodden in the filth of european liberalism and failure.

To boldly go where Thatcher went.

Now I realise that many of you will be disturbed by such a war cry but unless you understand what it was like to live under a Labour government in the 70's you will only have false idealism that will betray your child like thoughts.

After all the socialist ideal that some of you may hold dear will only see you at heel and those who decieve you riding in limousines and sending their children to public schools. A socialist is an idealist but a socialist leader is a fraud.

Mark my words and look at history.

Be led by a truthful capitalist rather than a lying capitalist!

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell.

Go on

Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY

the only prime minister with balls

She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted.

After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher

You do know that she died there about five years ago??

I do, sadly, but I await her successor and he or she will arrive.

There is now a time for such a person to step forward and be what this country needs. We have suffered under pious self profiting elitists such as Blair and Brown. We need firm leadership, someone unafraid to take this nation back to its pinnacle. Someone who can recognise the might and voracity of being British and not get down trodden in the filth of european liberalism and failure.

To boldly go where Thatcher went.

Now I realise that many of you will be disturbed by such a war cry but unless you understand what it was like to live under a Labour government in the 70's you will only have false idealism that will betray your child like thoughts.

After all the socialist ideal that some of you may hold dear will only see you at heel and those who decieve you riding in limousines and sending their children to public schools. A socialist is an idealist but a socialist leader is a fraud.

Mark my words and look at history.

Be led by a truthful capitalist rather than a lying capitalist!"

This

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell.

Go on

Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY

the only prime minister with balls

She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted.

After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher

You do know that she died there about five years ago??

I do, sadly, but I await her successor and he or she will arrive.

There is now a time for such a person to step forward and be what this country needs. We have suffered under pious self profiting elitists such as Blair and Brown. We need firm leadership, someone unafraid to take this nation back to its pinnacle. Someone who can recognise the might and voracity of being British and not get down trodden in the filth of european liberalism and failure.

To boldly go where Thatcher went.

Now I realise that many of you will be disturbed by such a war cry but unless you understand what it was like to live under a Labour government in the 70's you will only have false idealism that will betray your child like thoughts.

After all the socialist ideal that some of you may hold dear will only see you at heel and those who decieve you riding in limousines and sending their children to public schools. A socialist is an idealist but a socialist leader is a fraud.

Mark my words and look at history.

Be led by a truthful capitalist rather than a lying capitalist!"

There is a time and a place for everything and, with regards tó Europe, i

I'd be reasonably happy with a pragmatic Eurosceptic approach ad Thatcher had in the 70s and 80s. This is what she actually said about the EC back then.

"Britain does not dream of some cosy, isolated existence on the fringes of the European Community. Our destiny is in Europe, as part of the Community.

The European Community is a practical means by which Europe can ensure the future prosperity and security of its people in a world in which there are many other powerful nations and groups of nations.

Europe has to be ready both to contribute in full measure to its own security and to compete commercially and industrially in a world in which success goes to the countries which encourage individual initiative and enterprise, rather than those which attempt to diminish it.

I am the first to say that on many great issues the countries of Europe should try to speak with a single voice.

I want to see us work more closely on the things we can do better together than alone.

Europe is stronger when we do so, whether it be in trade, in defence or in our relations with the rest of the world.

We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels.

Certainly we want to see Europe more united and with a greater sense of common purpose.

But it must be in a way which preserves the different traditions, parliamentary powers and sense of national pride in one's own country; for these have been the source of Europe's vitality through the centuries."

Burgess 20 September 88

"Thisis the first step along the path of preparing Britain's companies to take the opportunities presented by completion of the Single Market in the European Community in 1992.

It's your job, the job of business, to gear yourselves up to take the opportunities which a single market of nearly 320 million people will offer.

Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people.

Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it.

It's not a dream. It's not a vision. It's not some bureaucrat's plan. It's for real. And it's only five years away."

Lancaster House 18 April 88

Not exactly the rabid Europhobe your comments would suggest.

In some ways I do wish the Margret Thatcher of the 80s was leading the Conservative Party because, if she was, the first people to be handbaged wouldn't be any European politician but the totaly disloyal, snivelling, back stabbing BREXITERS in her own party like Mogg, BoJo and Davies; as she did to their ilk many times while she wàs leader.

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By *_love_to_give_oralMan
over a year ago

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I dont remember Thatcher herself being Eursceptic, but moreso trying to bring the eurosceptic wing of the party with her!

She was wary of the Franco German dominance and was positioning the UK as a counterweight to their influence! Which wasn’t a bad thing!

She saw the UK as being at the center of the European project and influencing decisions, not on the periphery griping about everything!

If she was still in charge, the UK would be running eurooe, not leaving it, but short sighted politicians without her foresight are playing to the audience for short term gain!

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over a year ago

Omg somebody just ripped up the daily mail in complete disgust ha

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over a year ago


"To answer your question OP then I'd pick Nigel Farage. "

Jesus Christ, tells you all you need to know!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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Jeremy Corbyn...

But if I have to pick a Tory lets have BoJo and see him own brexit in full.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

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"Jeremy Corbyn...

But if I have to pick a Tory lets have BoJo and see him own brexit in full."

See your a fan of clowns willl lol

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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"See your a fan of clowns willl lol"

I don't see BoJo as a clown I see him more like the malign force that animates the doll in Poltergeist.

As for JC, maybe you should ask yourself why have the Tories and the media been so unrelenting in their fear stories about the man? Could it be that when the hysteria blows over he is always found to be on the right side on the controversial issues that other reactionary politicians always seem to find themselves on the wrong side of? Or could it be that he will actually do something to end the troughing culture that pervades the upper echelons of politics and business?

Just a thought for you to mull over (if only for a second before dismissing it in favour of your latest bit or received wisdom from the Tory media machine).

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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago

the right frame of mind -London


"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so

Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader.

Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here.

Scary as all fuckim no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger

I would agree at some level with you -but it's been an issue with not just labour but parties across the spectrum for a good while now. No party out there has any real concrete vision of where they want to take things -all they do is continually pander to big business and the nimby brigade without having the balls to address the issues that really matter.

Thats why Corbyn isn't popular with the establishment. Left wing politics, whilst being needed now more than ever, would fuck over a lot of people in power."

The irony is that compared to the earlier pre "new labour" party, he would be seen as soft -yet some are calling him a hard core Trotskyite -how this amuses me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I have done another thread we can continue on

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