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"The Greenland and Denmark leaders should be worried about Trump taking temporary control. " Cuba will probably be next…. Then Greenland | |||
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"USA, the new USSR Perhaps Europe should join forces with Russia and China lol" Not as daft an idea as you might think. The more unhinged the yanks become the more former Allies will move away from their orbit. The signs are that more and more countries are reconsidering their links with the US. The UK however will probably cling onto their "special relationship" until too late and we will go down with new global bad guy. | |||
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"USA, the new USSR Perhaps Europe should join forces with Russia and China lol Not as daft an idea as you might think. The more unhinged the yanks become the more former Allies will move away from their orbit. The signs are that more and more countries are reconsidering their links with the US. The UK however will probably cling onto their "special relationship" until too late and we will go down with new global bad guy." Align ourselves with governments that think torture, murder and labour camps are an appropriate punishment for not agreeing with the government? And Putin loves the LGBT community. No thank you | |||
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"U.S. already has troops in Panama...could take control of the canal any time it wants." The numbers are just over 200 which is probably nowhere near enough to take control. From an NBC report from March 2025... "WASHINGTON — The White House has directed the U.S. military to draw up options to increase the American troop presence in Panama to achieve President Donald Trump’s goal of “reclaiming” the Panama Canal, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the planning. In his joint address to Congress last week, Trump said that "to further enhance our national security, my administration will be reclaiming the Panama Canal.” Since then, administration officials have not said what "reclaiming" means. U.S. Southern Command is developing potential plans from partnering more closely with Panamanian security forces to the less likely option of U.S. troops’ seizing the Panama Canal by force, the officials said. Whether military force is used, the officials added, depends on how much Panamanian security forces agree to partner with the United States." | |||
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" Align ourselves with governments that think torture, murder and labour camps are an appropriate punishment for not agreeing with the government? And TRUMP loves the LGBT community. No thank you " I took the liberty of changing one word and it's just as true | |||
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"Trumps plan has nothing to do with national security. They have had bases on Greenland for over 70 years. Any hostile move against Greenland would trigger a full NATO response. The real reason behind his obsession with Greenland has more to do with resource exploitation and his desire to freeze anyone out of having any influence however small in his perceived sphere of influence. If he gets his way chaos in world politics will be the new norm." Whilst I agree with what you say, I really wonder what a full NATO response would actually be. More likely it would trigger the dissolution of NATO or certainly a NATO without the US and therefore without any real teeth should another actor take advantage of the situation. | |||
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"Maybe the people of Greenland could use this as an advantage and say yes to letting trump have their country,Hawaii seems like a fair swap I'm sure the weather will be more agreeable for them and it's about as strategically important for Denmark as Greenland is for america " Hawaii is probably not the best example given that the US annexed the islands and kicked out the original monarchy for economic and strategic reasons. Pretty much the same reasons they are putting forward for Greenland. | |||
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"He doesn't need to annex Greenland. There's only around 50,000 Greenlanders so just give them a million bucks apiece then hold a referendum. Job done." Something similar is apparently one of the strategies being gamed in the White House. It would involve offering say $50 billion to the Greenland government in return for annexation. However there's a four party coalition in Greenland that has already rejected such a bribe and the US couldn't force a referendum. So even if individuals like yourself would give up your rights to a foreign power in return for cash this looks unlikely to happen. | |||
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"He doesn't need to annex Greenland. There's only around 50,000 Greenlanders so just give them a million bucks apiece then hold a referendum. Job done." Greenland is part of Denmark, which has a population of 6m, so that might get a tad expensive. Plus we all know what happens when you pay the Dane Geld. | |||
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"He doesn't need to annex Greenland. There's only around 50,000 Greenlanders so just give them a million bucks apiece then hold a referendum. Job done. Something similar is apparently one of the strategies being gamed in the White House. It would involve offering say $50 billion to the Greenland government in return for annexation. However there's a four party coalition in Greenland that has already rejected such a bribe and the US couldn't force a referendum. So even if individuals like yourself would give up your rights to a foreign power in return for cash this looks unlikely to happen. " I dunno getting a Yankee passport wouldn't be too bad. Visa free trips to Vegas, Florida and all that. I could even get my gun licence back. Besides Greenland isn't fully part of Denmark, it has a lot of autonomy. It's not even in the EU. If I remember correctly it was the first country to do a Brexit or Grexit or whatever you want to call it. | |||
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"Plus we all know what happens when you pay the Dane Geld." Aethelred the Unready indeed! Another interesting thing is that although the US could easily attack Greenland's ports etc actually holding the entire country by force would be non-trivial. If it came to a land war in Greenland between the US and NATO minus the US then the US would really struggle as most of their equipment wouldn't work and they only have about 20,000 troops with the skills to survive in -30C conditions compared with about 100,000 non-US NATO troops. So the US would theoretically face a force five times their size with about ten times as much equipment that actually works in Artic conditions. The soft power costs to the US of an invasion of Greenland (or Canada) would't be worth the cost either. It's crazy stuff but then the White House is now run by crazy people so anything is possible. | |||
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"I dunno getting a Yankee passport wouldn't be too bad. Visa free trips to Vegas, Florida and all that. I could even get my gun licence back." Tell Trump that whatever part of Spain you live in has vast mineral resources and he might make you an offer. | |||
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"It probably wouldn't come to a shooting war but the non-US members could demand the removal of all US forces and bases from their territory. Even though Trump espouses a Monroe Doctrine style hemispheric view the loss of overseas bases and especially intelligence gathering sites would be a serious blow to the US. Sympathetic nations such as Australia, New Zealand and Japan might also reconsider their relationship with the US and adopt a less co-operative viewpoint. US trade with Europe would also likely be affected." Yup, I've posted about military bases and intelligence gathering previously. The UK has already stopped sharing some intelligence with the US. Plus dumping US bonds, obviously no new contracts for US weapon systems and a gradual shift away from the dollar as a reserve currency. To any rational actor it would be insane to try to annex Greenland or Canada. | |||
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"It probably wouldn't come to a shooting war but the non-US members could demand the removal of all US forces and bases from their territory. Even though Trump espouses a Monroe Doctrine style hemispheric view the loss of overseas bases and especially intelligence gathering sites would be a serious blow to the US. Sympathetic nations such as Australia, New Zealand and Japan might also reconsider their relationship with the US and adopt a less co-operative viewpoint. US trade with Europe would also likely be affected. Yup, I've posted about military bases and intelligence gathering previously. The UK has already stopped sharing some intelligence with the US. Plus dumping US bonds, obviously no new contracts for US weapon systems and a gradual shift away from the dollar as a reserve currency. To any rational actor it would be insane to try to annex Greenland or Canada. " The bond market is the one global weakness that the US has. The problem that Europe has is that they don’t really hold that many Treasuries relative to the overall market. The biggest holders are Japan, China and the UK. China isn’t going to dump bonds over Greenland. They will wait to do that over Taiwan. Japan isn’t going to do it because it isn’t really their fight and where would they put the money? Same with the UK. Additionally a lot of these bonds are held privately and why would individuals destroy their wealth over Greenland ? | |||
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"He doesn't need to annex Greenland. There's only around 50,000 Greenlanders so just give them a million bucks apiece then hold a referendum. Job done. "How do we get a Greenland passport? 🙏🤣 | |||
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"The bond market is the one global weakness that the US has. The problem that Europe has is that they don’t really hold that many Treasuries relative to the overall market. The biggest holders are Japan, China and the UK. China isn’t going to dump bonds over Greenland. They will wait to do that over Taiwan. Japan isn’t going to do it because it isn’t really their fight and where would they put the money? Same with the UK. Additionally a lot of these bonds are held privately and why would individuals destroy their wealth over Greenland ?" Fair points maybe dumping is unlikely, however the US credit rating would probably slip even further. The days of AAA are long gone and US debt is spiralling out of control. Any major destabilization in the US orbit would not be good for the US economy. Ten year yields have increased from under 1% to above 4% in the past five years. In the face of such instability might we get into 5% or even 6% territory? | |||
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"The bond market is the one global weakness that the US has. The problem that Europe has is that they don’t really hold that many Treasuries relative to the overall market. The biggest holders are Japan, China and the UK. China isn’t going to dump bonds over Greenland. They will wait to do that over Taiwan. Japan isn’t going to do it because it isn’t really their fight and where would they put the money? Same with the UK. Additionally a lot of these bonds are held privately and why would individuals destroy their wealth over Greenland ? Fair points maybe dumping is unlikely, however the US credit rating would probably slip even further. The days of AAA are long gone and US debt is spiralling out of control. Any major destabilization in the US orbit would not be good for the US economy. Ten year yields have increased from under 1% to above 4% in the past five years. In the face of such instability might we get into 5% or even 6% territory?" So what? The _average_ 10 year treasury yield since WW2 has been about 5.5/6%. It was 15+% in the early 80s. The ultra low rates of the last decade or so is an aberration and was never sustainable. The dollar is the only game in town and will be for at least the next generation. Everyone is going to be buying Treasuries and needing to use the dollar as a reserve currency. That isn't going to change. No one is going to sell Treasuries over Greenland or the fall of NATO. They will threaten to do it if tariffs impact trading patterns but that was radically different. | |||
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"So what?" US national debt was about $1 trillion in the 1980's, it's now over $38 trillion. I'm not an economist but if the cost of servicing debt increases from 4% to 6% isn't that a 50% increase? I'm not suggesting that the US economy is in any danger of collapse but invading Greenland and/or Canada is not going to be good for the US economy. And in the runup to a midterm election would pretty much be political suicide even ignoring the fact that most US citizens don't want to see such things happen. | |||
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"So what? US national debt was about $1 trillion in the 1980's, it's now over $38 trillion. I'm not an economist but if the cost of servicing debt increases from 4% to 6% isn't that a 50% increase? I'm not suggesting that the US economy is in any danger of collapse but invading Greenland and/or Canada is not going to be good for the US economy. And in the runup to a midterm election would pretty much be political suicide even ignoring the fact that most US citizens don't want to see such things happen. " I am 100% with you on the acceleration of the US debt. It is unsustainable over the long term. As an interesting fact one of the main reasons Elon wanted to set up DOGE was to find savings to reduce the debt for exactly the reasons you are articulating. He shares your concerns. As to an invasion being bad for the economy? I don’t know whether it would or it wouldn’t. Economies generally do pretty well during times of war due to massive government spending increases. The headache comes later but I guess you and Elon are on that. | |||
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"I just looked up the stats and in 1980 US debt to GDP was 31%, it's now 120%. I disagree with Musk on just about everything. The only thing we might agree on was that the BBB tax cuts were wrong. " Go back further and the stats will show that it went from over 100% at the end of WW2 to the mid 20s under Nixon due to surpluses. Pretty much reversed that since. This is what happens when governments spend and spend and spend. Ironically one of the things that would help with a surplus is if the federal government gets its hands on billions of barrels of oil and obscene amounts of mineral reserves. I wonder which two locations have those? | |||
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"Go back further and the stats will show that it went from over 100% at the end of WW2 to the mid 20s under Nixon due to surpluses. Pretty much reversed that since. This is what happens when governments spend and spend and spend. Ironically one of the things that would help with a surplus is if the federal government gets its hands on billions of barrels of oil and obscene amounts of mineral reserves. I wonder which two locations have those?" Shush, did you not get the memo that you need to get on board with the messaging that it's all about "narco-terrorism" and "defending NATO"? On a more serious note, I'm not sure thar austerity is the only path to balancing the books. | |||
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" Align ourselves with governments that think torture, murder and labour camps are an appropriate punishment for not agreeing with the government? And TRUMP loves the LGBT community. No thank you I took the liberty of changing one word and it's just as true " You have evidence of the torture? | |||
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"I dunno getting a Yankee passport wouldn't be too bad. Visa free trips to Vegas, Florida and all that. I could even get my gun licence back. Tell Trump that whatever part of Spain you live in has vast mineral resources and he might make you an offer. " I'm sure I read that there was an old gold mine around here somewhere. Looking it up and sending co-ordinates to the White House. | |||
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"I'm sure I read that there was an old gold mine around here somewhere. Looking it up and sending co-ordinates to the White House. " So long as it's nowhere near Frigiliana as I'm going there tomorrow for my winter break and don't want Delta Force spoiling my fun. | |||
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"I'm sure I read that there was an old gold mine around here somewhere. Looking it up and sending co-ordinates to the White House. So long as it's nowhere near Frigiliana as I'm going there tomorrow for my winter break and don't want Delta Force spoiling my fun." Nah, that's a good distance from us. Don't forget your thermals, it's bloody freezing here and all down the coast at the moment. | |||
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"Nah, that's a good distance from us." That's good. "Don't forget your thermals, it's bloody freezing here and all down the coast at the moment." It's been -8C here in recent days and it's forecast to be 17C in Nerja tomorrow so I'll probably be wearing T-shirt and shorts! | |||
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"Nah, that's a good distance from us. That's good. Don't forget your thermals, it's bloody freezing here and all down the coast at the moment. It's been -8C here in recent days and it's forecast to be 17C in Nerja tomorrow so I'll probably be wearing T-shirt and shorts!" Having a nice English Breakfast I bet | |||
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" When you step back on issues like this you begin to understand why a state like the USA would eye up the land. Who will fight to protect it for the King of Denmark, form a queue now..." Article 5 would be useless as it would need all 31 members to agree and obviously the us would not…. What I could see is some sort of European force plus the uk going in… I reckon you could get let’s say 500 troops from each country… and who would really have the tactical advantage in that terrain.. I’d give it to the Nordic troops But probably the eu and a lot of countries would sanction the bejesus out of the trump regime…. If he really thinks they can cope being insular they get a quick lesson in “they can’t “ | |||
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"Having a nice English Breakfast I bet" Nah, I'm a vegetarian for starters and Frigiliana is an historic Moorish town in the mountains where most of the "streets" are steep and narrow stepped paths inaccessable to traffic. It gets plenty of day-trippers because it's a stunningly beautiful place but is essentially as far from your typical English Breakfast place as you can get. | |||
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"Having a nice English Breakfast I bet Nah, I'm a vegetarian for starters and Frigiliana is an historic Moorish town in the mountains where most of the "streets" are steep and narrow stepped paths inaccessable to traffic. It gets plenty of day-trippers because it's a stunningly beautiful place but is essentially as far from your typical English Breakfast place as you can get. " Probably right but I'd think again about the T shirt and shorts. It might be 15/16 for a short time in the middle of the day but once that sun starts to drop so does the temperature, quite drastically. Yesterday was the coldest 3 kings day here for 40 years. In my garden it was 1 deg at 9 am and peaked at 6 deg and I'm pretty much at sea level. Frigiliana is a bit elevated if I remember correctly. Apart from that, wearing that outfit you might as well just stamp "tourist" on your forehead. The locals will be hat/coat/scarf. | |||
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"Probably right but I'd think again about the T shirt and shorts." Thanks for the advice but I've been going to Frigiliana (or Lagos in Portugal) in December or January for about 15 years so know the score. You're right about it getting chilly on an evening but the apartment I usually rent has a fantastic wood burning stove and a massive BBQ on the terrace so it's toasty and obviously I don't wear T-shirt and shorts after sunset. Also I'm not concerned about being seen as a tourist. I exude warmth and respect and get tha same in return. The only place I've ever had a bar owner waive my bill was in Frigiliana one Easter simply because he remembered me from a visit a couple of months before. It's one of my favourite places for a a variety of reasons including the celebration of the "three cultures" it is founded on - Islam, Judaism and Christianity. I must stop talking about Frigiliana as I'd prefer it to be a secret place. | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow." Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow." If you look at a map do you think that the UK should give up the Falkland Islands? About 84% of Greenlanders want eventual independence from Denmark but 85% don't want to be part of the US. I take it that this community would prefer to not have foreigners interfering in their affairs. | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. If you look at a map do you think that the UK should give up the Falkland Islands? About 84% of Greenlanders want eventual independence from Denmark but 85% don't want to be part of the US. I take it that this community would prefer to not have foreigners interfering in their affairs." If the Falklanders voted for independence or to be part of Argentina then of course I'd support it. | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.." Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ? | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ?" They are not geographical “hangovers”. They are highly important strategic locations. If you look at the places that the British took (Falklands, Gibraltar, Singapore, Malta, etc) they are all at key chok*e points for marine traffic. Control them and you control huge amounts of sea. Gibraltar is a great example. If you stand on the top of the rock next to the old gun you can see Africa just a few miles away. _Anything_ going in or out of the Med had to pass under that gun. The gun might no longer be used but you can be sure that all traffic is being monitored constantly. Even as we speak. | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ? They are not geographical “hangovers”. They are highly important strategic locations. If you look at the places that the British took (Falklands, Gibraltar, Singapore, Malta, etc) they are all at key chok*e points for marine traffic. Control them and you control huge amounts of sea. Gibraltar is a great example. If you stand on the top of the rock next to the old gun you can see Africa just a few miles away. _Anything_ going in or out of the Med had to pass under that gun. The gun might no longer be used but you can be sure that all traffic is being monitored constantly. Even as we speak." Let's get that gun back in use and start charging a toll. Might bring my Council Tax down at least. | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ?" That's between them and Denmark not Trump.. | |||
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"If you’ve followed the way Trump does business there is a pattern. First he makes a threat then he goes in to negotiate. This puts the other party on the back foot and makes the possibility of removing the threat a negotiable factor. What else might Trump want from Denmark?" Some Lego? | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ? That's between them and Denmark not Trump.. " For sure, but if there really is 85% support for independence then surely Denmark must grant a referendum ? The UK gave Scotland a vote and hardly any of them wanted to leave ! | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ? That's between them and Denmark not Trump.. For sure, but if there really is 85% support for independence then surely Denmark must grant a referendum ? The UK gave Scotland a vote and hardly any of them wanted to leave !" Pretty sure if you Google it you'll get the Danish parliament to register your opinion..  | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ? That's between them and Denmark not Trump.. For sure, but if there really is 85% support for independence then surely Denmark must grant a referendum ? The UK gave Scotland a vote and hardly any of them wanted to leave ! Pretty sure if you Google it you'll get the Danish parliament to register your opinion.. "But what is your opinion? | |||
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"Look at a map and it's pretty ridiculous it's still controlled by Denmark. I understand most Greenlanders favour independence so that seems like the way to go, with a closer relationship with the US to follow. Almost as ridiculous as the Falklands or Gibraltar? They want independence yes but they oppose being a colony of the USA.. Yes, all those colonial hangovers are a little ridiculous from a geographical point of view. However both Gib and the Falklands have had legal referendums in which massive majorities voted to remain British. Afaik Greenland has never been allowed a referendum ? That's between them and Denmark not Trump.. For sure, but if there really is 85% support for independence then surely Denmark must grant a referendum ? The UK gave Scotland a vote and hardly any of them wanted to leave ! Pretty sure if you Google it you'll get the Danish parliament to register your opinion..
But what is your opinion?"I've said it above, its between the people in Greenland and Denmark.. | |||
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"Whole thing is bonkers. The US already has bases on Greenland and as far as I know no-one would have objected if they were enlarged. Similarly rare earths I don't see anyone saying in Greenland, oh we won't trade these to the US. The whole thing seems just that Trump wants to demonstrate direct control over more territory rather than working collaboratively with allies." That’s the thing.. under the treaty’s the us are actually allowed 3 bases (they currently only have 1) and the Dane’s have said they are not against negotiating with US companies for rare earth resources So it’s all about “I have to have it!” He would probably change the name to Trump-land… I think the new trump spin of “we would help NATO, but NATO would not help us” smacks of him trying to justify whatever he is planning to his domestic audience | |||
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