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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? " What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? " Horrific event carried out by horrific people. Some extremely brave actions by those at the scene probably saved many lives. Just seems a deliberate attack on people for having a particular religious faith. | |||
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"https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1759516 Found by doing a forum search 'Bondi'" Thank you for the link. Maybe I wasn't specific enough and should have said "the politics thread" of the forum is quiet on this event. | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) " Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. " What sort of comments are you looking for? Do you have an opinion or would you prefer for someone to post their views to open the discussion? ..just interested to know why you started this thread.. | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. " Or maybe people are allowing time for the shock to settle and showing respect for the dead, injured and their families before embarking on political commentary. | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. Or maybe people are allowing time for the shock to settle and showing respect for the dead, injured and their families before embarking on political commentary. " That is one possible reason yes, my guess is that the heroism shown by the immigrant from Syria a Muslim who by his actions inevitably saved lives has taken the sting out of the usual 'they' are all bad and this is what happens if you let brown people in.. I could be being cynical mind.. | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. " Fatigue… Plus the fact that these ‘debates’ just become slanging matches. Two Muslims started it, one finished it. How does anyone have an immigration policy that ensures you get the latter rather than the former in your country? How does any government come up with a law on free speech that doesn’t allow hate speech and radicalisation? Too many questions… | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. Or maybe people are allowing time for the shock to settle and showing respect for the dead, injured and their families before embarking on political commentary. " Is that the norm for the political section of this forum? | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. What sort of comments are you looking for? Do you have an opinion or would you prefer for someone to post their views to open the discussion? ..just interested to know why you started this thread.." I'm interested why the political section of the forum is quiet on this event, it has never been this quiet before. I hope that helps. | |||
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"After the horrific events at Bondi Beach I'm surprised by the forum silence. Is it topic avoidance or something else? What part are you going to focus on The heinous act of people being targeted and killed for their religious beliefs The heroic actions of the Muslim gentleman who ran at one of the attacker are dearmed them and stopping the incident Gun control and The difference in the reaction to mass shootings of the president of the United States (these things happen) with the prime minister of Australia (I vow to tighten gun controls) Blimey! I needed to delete this a couple of times..! I'm trying to understand why the politics thread is quiet on this. Trump, Farage, flags all on going, but strangely not a peep on this which after some years on here is not the norm. I'm curious as to why: Is down to not the audience on here dwindling, it has gone flat recently. Fatigue, or maybe political opinions that don't want to be surfaced. Or maybe people are allowing time for the shock to settle and showing respect for the dead, injured and their families before embarking on political commentary. Is that the norm for the political section of this forum? " No. Maybe this bucks the trend. People react in various ways to differing situations. | |||
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"Sentiment in the Australian Jewish community seems to be that the government has been either creating, or turning a blind eye to, an ever-growing environment in which anti-Semitism is allowed to fester, masquerading as anti-Zionism or anti-Israel sentiment. They have pointed to rallies in which blatant anti-Semitism has been visible." I think this opinion is not isolated to Australia, the same has been said by other Jewish communities. Hostility towards Jewish people has increased and it comes as no surprise the numbers of incidents of hate grew exponentially on the back of global marches in support of Palestine. I also feel groups intent on hatred used those marches to create a normalisation of antisemitic phrases and resentment towards Jews by proxy of Israel. That’s why I asked whether people feel a growing fatigue with the relentlessness of it all. | |||
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" Hostility towards Jewish people has increased and it comes as no surprise the numbers of incidents of hate grew exponentially on the back of global marches in support of Palestine. ." Pro Palestine protest in Sydney on October 8, 2023 celebrating the Hamas attacks. Plenty there …. Fuck the Jews chants, turned to gas the Jews. ( it’s on X). Little did they know then what was coming for Gaza. | |||
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"The left on the internet are working overtime to direct the conversation away from the problem of anti-semitism being rampant among certain groups." Perhaps they should take a leaf from their own book and listen to the victims and reflect on what they have to say. Most especially those who live openly as Jews and are daily on the receiving end of bigotry. One issue that adds to the blindspot can be illustrated thus: People like Jeremy Corbyn are great proponents of left wing Jewish organisations, invited to their cultural get togethers, then feel that "some of my best friends are Jewish" and that they understand the antisemitism issue. The discussion around antisemitism is then framed in the light of what these Hackney non-presenting-except-my-surname suffer. Being that these people are, ideologically, generally on the same page as the antisemites on the left, their conversation will be limited to antisemitism from the right. Jeremy Corbyn then goes away and says "Zionism and Benjamin Netanyahu is the problem - my Jewish friends all agree on that". And he really, genuinely, believes that. (Note: this is an illustration to demonstrate a point) Meanwhile, the average religious Jew on the street is getting spat on, called "baby killer" and "Zio", or is assaulted. The words are different, but the behaviour is the same as it was 20, 40, 80 years ago. So from the perspective of the average Australian Jew, as voiced in multiple interviews, this is the same antisemitism, with different clothing. Bizarrely, Tommy Robinson and his ilk are now defending Jews, not because they like them, but because my enemy's enemy and an that. The fear expressed in interviews with religious Jews in many Western countries is from Islamic-inspired attacks, encouraged by the silence and inaction (aside from minimal tokenism) from governments and some media. When "pro-Palestinian" rallies include "f*** the Jews", "gas the Jews" and "globalise the Intifada" and it is tolerated (other than some mumbling lip service), the feeling of the Jewish communities is that this breeds an environment where attacks are not just justified, but heroic. And the sentiments of the Australian Jewish community couldn't be clearer - when the message that "Israel and its people are right wing, baby-killing scumbags, who (but don't say it out loud) deserve what's coming to them" is amplified, politicised and repeated, above almost any other conflict in the world, then this is what happens. This is pretty much the TL;DR of those interviews and statements, going back a couple of years. Well... This is what a globalised Intifada looks like, right up there by the Manchester synagogue attacks. | |||
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"The left on the internet are working overtime to direct the conversation away from the problem of anti-semitism being rampant among certain groups. Perhaps they should take a leaf from their own book and listen to the victims and reflect on what they have to say. Most especially those who live openly as Jews and are daily on the receiving end of bigotry. One issue that adds to the blindspot can be illustrated thus: People like Jeremy Corbyn are great proponents of left wing Jewish organisations, invited to their cultural get togethers, then feel that "some of my best friends are Jewish" and that they understand the antisemitism issue. The discussion around antisemitism is then framed in the light of what these Hackney non-presenting-except-my-surname suffer. Being that these people are, ideologically, generally on the same page as the antisemites on the left, their conversation will be limited to antisemitism from the right. Jeremy Corbyn then goes away and says "Zionism and Benjamin Netanyahu is the problem - my Jewish friends all agree on that". And he really, genuinely, believes that. (Note: this is an illustration to demonstrate a point) Meanwhile, the average religious Jew on the street is getting spat on, called "baby killer" and "Zio", or is assaulted. The words are different, but the behaviour is the same as it was 20, 40, 80 years ago. So from the perspective of the average Australian Jew, as voiced in multiple interviews, this is the same antisemitism, with different clothing. Bizarrely, Tommy Robinson and his ilk are now defending Jews, not because they like them, but because my enemy's enemy and an that. The fear expressed in interviews with religious Jews in many Western countries is from Islamic-inspired attacks, encouraged by the silence and inaction (aside from minimal tokenism) from governments and some media. When "pro-Palestinian" rallies include "f*** the Jews", "gas the Jews" and "globalise the Intifada" and it is tolerated (other than some mumbling lip service), the feeling of the Jewish communities is that this breeds an environment where attacks are not just justified, but heroic. And the sentiments of the Australian Jewish community couldn't be clearer - when the message that "Israel and its people are right wing, baby-killing scumbags, who (but don't say it out loud) deserve what's coming to them" is amplified, politicised and repeated, above almost any other conflict in the world, then this is what happens. This is pretty much the TL;DR of those interviews and statements, going back a couple of years. Well... This is what a globalised Intifada looks like, right up there by the Manchester synagogue attacks." What a well balanced, thoughtful take on the real impact on the Kewish communities, not just in Australia but throughout the World, Mrs x | |||
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"The left on the internet are working overtime to direct the conversation away from the problem of anti-semitism being rampant among certain groups. Perhaps they should take a leaf from their own book and listen to the victims and reflect on what they have to say. Most especially those who live openly as Jews and are daily on the receiving end of bigotry. One issue that adds to the blindspot can be illustrated thus: People like Jeremy Corbyn are great proponents of left wing Jewish organisations, invited to their cultural get togethers, then feel that "some of my best friends are Jewish" and that they understand the antisemitism issue. The discussion around antisemitism is then framed in the light of what these Hackney non-presenting-except-my-surname suffer. Being that these people are, ideologically, generally on the same page as the antisemites on the left, their conversation will be limited to antisemitism from the right. Jeremy Corbyn then goes away and says "Zionism and Benjamin Netanyahu is the problem - my Jewish friends all agree on that". And he really, genuinely, believes that. (Note: this is an illustration to demonstrate a point) Meanwhile, the average religious Jew on the street is getting spat on, called "baby killer" and "Zio", or is assaulted. The words are different, but the behaviour is the same as it was 20, 40, 80 years ago. So from the perspective of the average Australian Jew, as voiced in multiple interviews, this is the same antisemitism, with different clothing. Bizarrely, Tommy Robinson and his ilk are now defending Jews, not because they like them, but because my enemy's enemy and an that. The fear expressed in interviews with religious Jews in many Western countries is from Islamic-inspired attacks, encouraged by the silence and inaction (aside from minimal tokenism) from governments and some media. When "pro-Palestinian" rallies include "f*** the Jews", "gas the Jews" and "globalise the Intifada" and it is tolerated (other than some mumbling lip service), the feeling of the Jewish communities is that this breeds an environment where attacks are not just justified, but heroic. And the sentiments of the Australian Jewish community couldn't be clearer - when the message that "Israel and its people are right wing, baby-killing scumbags, who (but don't say it out loud) deserve what's coming to them" is amplified, politicised and repeated, above almost any other conflict in the world, then this is what happens. This is pretty much the TL;DR of those interviews and statements, going back a couple of years. Well... This is what a globalised Intifada looks like, right up there by the Manchester synagogue attacks." Well said!
Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time. | |||
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" Well said!
Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time."So what’s the root cause? | |||
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" Well... This is what a globalised Intifada looks like, right up there by the Manchester synagogue attacks." And before these events; 9/11,7/7, Boston marathon, Paris and Madrid attacks, Manchester Arena, London Bridge, Charlie Hebdo to mention just a few - no Jews specifically targeted at any of these attacks. Foreign national non Jews from 41 countries also killed on 7/10/23; Palestinian flags and cheering this on in Gaza. All these killings combined are dwarfed by Islamic on Islamic killings, so it cannot be Allah’s wish to target just the infidels | |||
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" Well said!
Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time.
So what’s the root cause?"Institutionalised and/or systemic hatred. Be that from organised religions and refocus texts or historical, societal bigotry (or indeed something else). And allowing that to thrive, or being too scared to name it, call it out or stand up to it. | |||
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" Well said!
Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time.
So what’s the root cause?
Institutionalised and/or systemic hatred. Be that from organised religions and refocus texts or historical, societal bigotry (or indeed something else). And allowing that to thrive, or being too scared to name it, call it out or stand up to it."Since the late 70's Islamic terrorism has accounted for over 80% of the World's terrorism. Islamic terrorists have committed over 57,000 acts ot terror with more than 200,000 victims. So whilst I believe the vast majority of Muslims are not violent this does not mean that this tiny majority arent a huge problem, which needs addressing. Mrs x | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? " You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? " If you think Islamist terrorism is driven purely by their hatred of the Jews you are sadly mistaken. As another poster pointed out there has been more Islanist terrorism carried out against other Muslims than any other group. Your argument that Jews almost deserve what they get due to support from the West is quite frankly immature. It is tantamount to saying the Israelis can do what they like due to losing 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. They can't and neither can the Muslims, nobody can justify terrorism. But when you look at the facts, Islamic terrorism accounts for over 80% of the Worlds terrorist attacks. When was the last time you heard of Jews committing terrorism on this scale? Even if you say that Israels behaviour in the West Bank is terrorism, since the late 70's it may account for tens, or tge low hundreds of possible incidents, whereas Islamist terrorism accounts fir over 55,000 incidents, with almost a quarter of a million victims. Its not in the same ball park and its not just concerned with one particular group. Islamic terrorism kills everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian anyone they consider to be an infidelity, all in the name of their God and their prophet, Mrs x | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty." What a load of unsubstantiated drivel. | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? If you think Islamist terrorism is driven purely by their hatred of the Jews you are sadly mistaken. As another poster pointed out there has been more Islanist terrorism carried out against other Muslims than any other group. Your argument that Jews almost deserve what they get due to support from the West is quite frankly immature. It is tantamount to saying the Israelis can do what they like due to losing 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. They can't and neither can the Muslims, nobody can justify terrorism. But when you look at the facts, Islamic terrorism accounts for over 80% of the Worlds terrorist attacks. When was the last time you heard of Jews committing terrorism on this scale? Even if you say that Israels behaviour in the West Bank is terrorism, since the late 70's it may account for tens, or tge low hundreds of possible incidents, whereas Islamist terrorism accounts fir over 55,000 incidents, with almost a quarter of a million victims. Its not in the same ball park and its not just concerned with one particular group. Islamic terrorism kills everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian anyone they consider to be an infidelity, all in the name of their God and their prophet, Mrs x" Again, somebody else who is only reading what they want to. ‘If not the only motivator’ | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? If you think Islamist terrorism is driven purely by their hatred of the Jews you are sadly mistaken. As another poster pointed out there has been more Islanist terrorism carried out against other Muslims than any other group. Your argument that Jews almost deserve what they get due to support from the West is quite frankly immature. It is tantamount to saying the Israelis can do what they like due to losing 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. They can't and neither can the Muslims, nobody can justify terrorism. But when you look at the facts, Islamic terrorism accounts for over 80% of the Worlds terrorist attacks. When was the last time you heard of Jews committing terrorism on this scale? Even if you say that Israels behaviour in the West Bank is terrorism, since the late 70's it may account for tens, or tge low hundreds of possible incidents, whereas Islamist terrorism accounts fir over 55,000 incidents, with almost a quarter of a million victims. Its not in the same ball park and its not just concerned with one particular group. Islamic terrorism kills everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian anyone they consider to be an infidelity, all in the name of their God and their prophet, Mrs x Again, somebody else who is only reading what they want to. ‘If not the only motivator’" Well name the others then? Mrs x | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? If you think Islamist terrorism is driven purely by their hatred of the Jews you are sadly mistaken. As another poster pointed out there has been more Islanist terrorism carried out against other Muslims than any other group. Your argument that Jews almost deserve what they get due to support from the West is quite frankly immature. It is tantamount to saying the Israelis can do what they like due to losing 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. They can't and neither can the Muslims, nobody can justify terrorism. But when you look at the facts, Islamic terrorism accounts for over 80% of the Worlds terrorist attacks. When was the last time you heard of Jews committing terrorism on this scale? Even if you say that Israels behaviour in the West Bank is terrorism, since the late 70's it may account for tens, or tge low hundreds of possible incidents, whereas Islamist terrorism accounts fir over 55,000 incidents, with almost a quarter of a million victims. Its not in the same ball park and its not just concerned with one particular group. Islamic terrorism kills everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian anyone they consider to be an infidelity, all in the name of their God and their prophet, Mrs x Again, somebody else who is only reading what they want to. ‘If not the only motivator’Well name the others then? Mrs x" I really don’t need to do I? Plenty of others point out other motivators for Islamic terrorism without me doing it for the millionth time. You’ve just done it yourself - ideology. So It’s getting rather boring. So tell me, rather than just easily identifying ‘the problem’ what’s your solution to it? | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? If you think Islamist terrorism is driven purely by their hatred of the Jews you are sadly mistaken. As another poster pointed out there has been more Islanist terrorism carried out against other Muslims than any other group. Your argument that Jews almost deserve what they get due to support from the West is quite frankly immature. It is tantamount to saying the Israelis can do what they like due to losing 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. They can't and neither can the Muslims, nobody can justify terrorism. But when you look at the facts, Islamic terrorism accounts for over 80% of the Worlds terrorist attacks. When was the last time you heard of Jews committing terrorism on this scale? Even if you say that Israels behaviour in the West Bank is terrorism, since the late 70's it may account for tens, or tge low hundreds of possible incidents, whereas Islamist terrorism accounts fir over 55,000 incidents, with almost a quarter of a million victims. Its not in the same ball park and its not just concerned with one particular group. Islamic terrorism kills everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian anyone they consider to be an infidelity, all in the name of their God and their prophet, Mrs x Again, somebody else who is only reading what they want to. ‘If not the only motivator’Well name the others then? Mrs x I really don’t need to do I? Plenty of others point out other motivators for Islamic terrorism without me doing it for the millionth time. You’ve just done it yourself - ideology. So It’s getting rather boring. So tell me, rather than just easily identifying ‘the problem’ what’s your solution to it?" Other than ideology what other motivations, don't go in to detail, just give what you consider are motivations which justify terrorism to those committing terrorist acts. I never said I'd identified 'the problem', its obvious what tge problem is. Its the corruption of a religious text to justify acts of evil, tgat much is obvious. As for the solution, I don't have one. It wouldn't be great if I did, after all who would expect a 50 year old, female, on a swingers site to have insight into such a complex situation. I am self aware enough to know my limitations on this matter. Though the more I read on this matter has led me to believe that maybe a two state solution won't work, primarily from issues on the Arab side. But then again what fo I know? Mrs x | |||
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Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time.
So what’s the root cause?"I mentioned in my original post. There is rampant anti-semitism being promoted among certain groups under the guise of anti-zionism | |||
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"Something else worth noting is if you ask an Iraqi civilian (just for example & there are a few other ‘examples’) what constitutes ‘terrorism’ they may give you a different answer The Iraq Body Count project has counted up to 210,296 civilian deaths as a result of the 2003 invasion. That's not counting Afghanistan, etc. Just Iraq. Iraq. Where the west previously backed Saddam Hussein, you know…. ‘Saddam was a bastard, but he was our bastard’. To lay all of the blame for the world’s ills at the foot of Islam’s door is somewhat ridiculous. The West has an enormous amount of blood on its hands." But its not terrorism is it. It was states in conflict with one another. Yemen and Syria have had over 2 million deaths in very recent years, if you want to include such figures. What about Axis figures from WW2? You including those? Just from objective acts of terrorism, Islamic Fundamentalism is at the top of the tree, by a huge distance, ignore that if you want, carry on spinning. I have a big bucket of sand her, if tgat would help you? Mrs x | |||
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Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time.
So what’s the root cause?
I mentioned in my original post. There is rampant anti-semitism being promoted among certain groups under the guise of anti-zionism "True, Mrs x | |||
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Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time.
So what’s the root cause?
I mentioned in my original post. There is rampant anti-semitism being promoted among certain groups under the guise of anti-zionism "It would seem that one group of people take it that all Jews support the actions of Israel in Gaza and see any Jewish person as being the enemy. __ Then there is another group of people who see all Muslims as being potential terrorists/r@pists/gr@@ming gangs etc and hate all Islamics as a result. ___ It's important to understand and know that people of a specific faith do not have a Hive Mind and all terrorism and hate is abhorrent. | |||
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"Something else worth noting is if you ask an Iraqi civilian (just for example & there are a few other ‘examples’) what constitutes ‘terrorism’ they may give you a different answer The Iraq Body Count project has counted up to 210,296 civilian deaths as a result of the 2003 invasion. That's not counting Afghanistan, etc. Just Iraq. Iraq. Where the west previously backed Saddam Hussein, you know…. ‘Saddam was a bastard, but he was our bastard’. To lay all of the blame for the world’s ills at the foot of Islam’s door is somewhat ridiculous. The West has an enormous amount of blood on its hands.But its not terrorism is it. It was states in conflict with one another. Yemen and Syria have had over 2 million deaths in very recent years, if you want to include such figures. What about Axis figures from WW2? You including those? Just from objective acts of terrorism, Islamic Fundamentalism is at the top of the tree, by a huge distance, ignore that if you want, carry on spinning. I have a big bucket of sand her, if tgat would help you? Mrs x" As I said, ask the Iraqi what he thinks when his family have just been blown to bits. Tbh he may or may not care for petty squabbling over labels & definitions. You reckon the world's problems are caused by Islam, because you live in the UK where Christianity is "normal" and Islam is some strange foreign religion that likes to blow people up. Your Afghani doppelganger would probably say all the world's problem's are caused by the US and Britain - and to be honest, they'd have a compelling argument if we're playing death toll top trumps. I wouldn't swap living in the UK and having to deal with the threat of - and occasionally actual - Islamist terrorist attacks for living in an Iraqi town during the UK & US's invasion of Iraq, would you? | |||
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"Something else worth noting is if you ask an Iraqi civilian (just for example & there are a few other ‘examples’) what constitutes ‘terrorism’ they may give you a different answer The Iraq Body Count project has counted up to 210,296 civilian deaths as a result of the 2003 invasion. That's not counting Afghanistan, etc. Just Iraq. Iraq. Where the west previously backed Saddam Hussein, you know…. ‘Saddam was a bastard, but he was our bastard’. To lay all of the blame for the world’s ills at the foot of Islam’s door is somewhat ridiculous. The West has an enormous amount of blood on its hands." All true. And Karma goes both ways. Reap what you sow. | |||
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"Something else worth noting is if you ask an Iraqi civilian (just for example & there are a few other ‘examples’) what constitutes ‘terrorism’ they may give you a different answer The Iraq Body Count project has counted up to 210,296 civilian deaths as a result of the 2003 invasion. That's not counting Afghanistan, etc. Just Iraq. Iraq. Where the west previously backed Saddam Hussein, you know…. ‘Saddam was a bastard, but he was our bastard’. To lay all of the blame for the world’s ills at the foot of Islam’s door is somewhat ridiculous. The West has an enormous amount of blood on its hands.But its not terrorism is it. It was states in conflict with one another. Yemen and Syria have had over 2 million deaths in very recent years, if you want to include such figures. What about Axis figures from WW2? You including those? Just from objective acts of terrorism, Islamic Fundamentalism is at the top of the tree, by a huge distance, ignore that if you want, carry on spinning. I have a big bucket of sand her, if tgat would help you? Mrs x As I said, ask the Iraqi what he thinks when his family have just been blown to bits. Tbh he may or may not care for petty squabbling over labels & definitions. You reckon the world's problems are caused by Islam, because you live in the UK where Christianity is "normal" and Islam is some strange foreign religion that likes to blow people up. Your Afghani doppelganger would probably say all the world's problem's are caused by the US and Britain - and to be honest, they'd have a compelling argument if we're playing death toll top trumps. I wouldn't swap living in the UK and having to deal with the threat of - and occasionally actual - Islamist terrorist attacks for living in an Iraqi town during the UK & US's invasion of Iraq, would you? " When have I said the World's problems are caused by Islamic terrorism? Also you are chatting to an Irish immigrant, who's family emigrated, in the early 70's, due to people blowing people up, so its not that strange to me, I've mentioned previously that we lost an uncle and 2 cousins to terrorism. As for an 'doppleganger', they can claim whatever they want but it doesn't make it true. You talk about Wats as if they are terrorist acts, which they aren't. I'm talking about objective terrorism, suicide bombings, car bombings, beheading, burning alive that sort of thing And in this scenario Islamic terrorism is the largest player out there, 57,000 terrorist acts since 1979, over 200,000 victims, all over the World. Those are not my opinions, they are facts. Its not about death toll Top Trumps, its about actual acts of terrorism, not armed conflict, not War but acts of terror. Mrs x | |||
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" When have I said the World's problems are caused by Islamic terrorism? Also you are chatting to an Irish immigrant, who's family emigrated, in the early 70's, due to people blowing people up, so its not that strange to me, I've mentioned previously that we lost an uncle and 2 cousins to terrorism. As for an 'doppleganger', they can claim whatever they want but it doesn't make it true. You talk about Wats as if they are terrorist acts, which they aren't. I'm talking about objective terrorism, suicide bombings, car bombings, beheading, burning alive that sort of thing And in this scenario Islamic terrorism is the largest player out there, 57,000 terrorist acts since 1979, over 200,000 victims, all over the World. Those are not my opinions, they are facts. Its not about death toll Top Trumps, its about actual acts of terrorism, not armed conflict, not War but acts of terror. Mrs x" So if terrorism & war are always mutually exclusive, what would state sponsored terrorism be then? Iran sponsored Hamas & many people refer to October 7th 2023 as ‘an act of war’ don’t they? I don’t think it is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Netanyahu himself said ‘Hamas invaded Israeli territory and murdered innocent citizens including children and the elderly. Hamas has started a brutal and evil war‘ Anyhow, regarding terrorism & western nations: Terrorism simply isn't as big a problem in Western nations as people like you seem to think it is. As the name suggests, terrorism relies on fear - fear generated through atrocity. But the fear of terrorism VASTLY outweighs the danger it poses to western nations. Even the worst terrorist attack in recent history against a western nation - 9/11 - had a death toll of *just* 2996. The simple reality is, Islamic terrorism really doesn't kill that many people in the west. Small comfort for the families of the people lying dead on Bondi Beach, I know. Islamic terrorism comes from an ideology, and as an ideology it's no more dangerous than capitalism. Look at the U.S./UK coup of Iran in 1953 over oil & the chain of events in the Middle East that have unfolded since to give one example of that. But it's Islamic terrorism people are afraid of in the west, so Islamic terrorism is what makes the news. We're all - all of us - following ideologies, and everyone thinks that their ideology is "the right one" because it's the one they know. And that's where pretty much all the conflict in the world stems from. The real problem isn't really the ideology itself, but the inability to recognise that you're part of one. | |||
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" Islamic terrorism comes from an ideology, and as an ideology it's no more dangerous than capitalism. Look at the U.S./UK coup of Iran in 1953 over oil & the chain of events in the Middle East that have unfolded since to give one example of that. " This is a ridiculous analysis of cause and effect. Islamic terrorism is about killing people. Capitalism is not. Will you agree that socialism is worse than capitalism because of the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Mao? " We're all - all of us - following ideologies, and everyone thinks that their ideology is "the right one" because it's the one they know. And that's where pretty much all the conflict in the world stems from. The real problem isn't really the ideology itself, but the inability to recognise that you're part of one. " Will you do this kind of gaslighting and defending about far right ideologies or do you do this only for Islamic terrorists? | |||
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" Islamic terrorism comes from an ideology, and as an ideology it's no more dangerous than capitalism. Look at the U.S./UK coup of Iran in 1953 over oil & the chain of events in the Middle East that have unfolded since to give one example of that. This is a ridiculous analysis of cause and effect. Islamic terrorism is about killing people. Capitalism is not. Will you agree that socialism is worse than capitalism because of the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Mao? We're all - all of us - following ideologies, and everyone thinks that their ideology is "the right one" because it's the one they know. And that's where pretty much all the conflict in the world stems from. The real problem isn't really the ideology itself, but the inability to recognise that you're part of one. Will you do this kind of gaslighting and defending about far right ideologies or do you do this only for Islamic terrorists? " There is a reason I plucked ‘Capitalism’ from the air as an example to put up against Islamic militancy. Because it is seen as a benign system that creates no casualties….& of course, that is bullshit. As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. | |||
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" As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. " This is your second act of naked bigotry in this thread. Your really are the problem. | |||
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" Islamic terrorism comes from an ideology, and as an ideology it's no more dangerous than capitalism. Look at the U.S./UK coup of Iran in 1953 over oil & the chain of events in the Middle East that have unfolded since to give one example of that. This is a ridiculous analysis of cause and effect. Islamic terrorism is about killing people. Capitalism is not. Will you agree that socialism is worse than capitalism because of the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Mao? We're all - all of us - following ideologies, and everyone thinks that their ideology is "the right one" because it's the one they know. And that's where pretty much all the conflict in the world stems from. The real problem isn't really the ideology itself, but the inability to recognise that you're part of one. Will you do this kind of gaslighting and defending about far right ideologies or do you do this only for Islamic terrorists? There is a reason I plucked ‘Capitalism’ from the air as an example to put up against Islamic militancy. Because it is seen as a benign system that creates no casualties….& of course, that is bullshit. " Sure, but according to your own methods of assigning causality, socialism is even worse. Will you admit that? " As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. " Nice to see you being openly racist I admire your honesty | |||
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" Islamic terrorism comes from an ideology, and as an ideology it's no more dangerous than capitalism. Look at the U.S./UK coup of Iran in 1953 over oil & the chain of events in the Middle East that have unfolded since to give one example of that. This is a ridiculous analysis of cause and effect. Islamic terrorism is about killing people. Capitalism is not. Will you agree that socialism is worse than capitalism because of the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Mao? We're all - all of us - following ideologies, and everyone thinks that their ideology is "the right one" because it's the one they know. And that's where pretty much all the conflict in the world stems from. The real problem isn't really the ideology itself, but the inability to recognise that you're part of one. Will you do this kind of gaslighting and defending about far right ideologies or do you do this only for Islamic terrorists? There is a reason I plucked ‘Capitalism’ from the air as an example to put up against Islamic militancy. Because it is seen as a benign system that creates no casualties….& of course, that is bullshit. Sure, but according to your own methods of assigning causality, socialism is even worse. Will you admit that? As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. Nice to see you being openly racist I admire your honesty "If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. If that is me being racist so be it. | |||
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" As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. This is your second act of naked bigotry in this thread. Your really are the problem. Are you sure I’m the only one who is bigoted given your everpresent exemplary defence of Islam & Muslims on this forum? (Yes, I’m being sarcastic) " No, you're probably not the only one. But (since we're on the subject) it's exactly your toxic basket of bigotry-du-jour that gives rise to conditions in which the Bondi Beach attacks took place. | |||
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" As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. This is your second act of naked bigotry in this thread. Your really are the problem. Are you sure I’m the only one who is bigoted given your everpresent exemplary defence of Islam & Muslims on this forum? (Yes, I’m being sarcastic) No, you're probably not the only one. But (since we're on the subject) it's exactly your toxic basket of bigotry-du-jour that gives rise to conditions in which the Bondi Beach attacks took place." That’s quite the seismic leap you are making there. You may as well go the whole hog & align little ol’ me with ISIS. | |||
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" That’s quite the seismic leap you are making there. You may as well go the whole hog & align little ol’ me with ISIS." No, because that wouldn't be correct. | |||
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If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented.
If that is me being racist so be it."No it doesn't. In the mind of racists like you, it may look like that. | |||
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" As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. Nice to see you being openly racist I admire your honesty
If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented.
If that is me being racist so be it.
No it doesn't. In the mind of racists like you, it may look like that."Yeah ok, whatever you say pal. An effortless Google says differently. | |||
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" When have I said the World's problems are caused by Islamic terrorism? Also you are chatting to an Irish immigrant, who's family emigrated, in the early 70's, due to people blowing people up, so its not that strange to me, I've mentioned previously that we lost an uncle and 2 cousins to terrorism. As for an 'doppleganger', they can claim whatever they want but it doesn't make it true. You talk about Wats as if they are terrorist acts, which they aren't. I'm talking about objective terrorism, suicide bombings, car bombings, beheading, burning alive that sort of thing And in this scenario Islamic terrorism is the largest player out there, 57,000 terrorist acts since 1979, over 200,000 victims, all over the World. Those are not my opinions, they are facts. Its not about death toll Top Trumps, its about actual acts of terrorism, not armed conflict, not War but acts of terror. Mrs x So if terrorism & war are always mutually exclusive, what would state sponsored terrorism be then? Iran sponsored Hamas & many people refer to October 7th 2023 as ‘an act of war’ don’t they? I don’t think it is as clear cut as you seem to think it is. Netanyahu himself said ‘Hamas invaded Israeli territory and murdered innocent citizens including children and the elderly. Hamas has started a brutal and evil war‘ Anyhow, regarding terrorism & western nations: Terrorism simply isn't as big a problem in Western nations as people like you seem to think it is. As the name suggests, terrorism relies on fear - fear generated through atrocity. But the fear of terrorism VASTLY outweighs the danger it poses to western nations. Even the worst terrorist attack in recent history against a western nation - 9/11 - had a death toll of *just* 2996. The simple reality is, Islamic terrorism really doesn't kill that many people in the west. Small comfort for the families of the people lying dead on Bondi Beach, I know. Islamic terrorism comes from an ideology, and as an ideology it's no more dangerous than capitalism. Look at the U.S./UK coup of Iran in 1953 over oil & the chain of events in the Middle East that have unfolded since to give one example of that. But it's Islamic terrorism people are afraid of in the west, so Islamic terrorism is what makes the news. We're all - all of us - following ideologies, and everyone thinks that their ideology is "the right one" because it's the one they know. And that's where pretty much all the conflict in the world stems from. The real problem isn't really the ideology itself, but the inability to recognise that you're part of one. " You make a lot of assumptions, you'd be better of actually reading posts. When have I mentioned terrorism being a problem for just the 'West'? I havent... Its strange how you minimise the problem of terrorism due to its impact upon those of us who live in the West. 3,000 victims of 9/11, is not enough to cause concern for you then? And that was just one of the 57,000 acts committed in the name of Islam fundamentalism. 250,000 victims of Islamic terrorism is a large number and this is committed by a very small minority of Muslims. The 9/11 tragedy was committed by only a handful of terrorists. Imagine if these numbers of terrorists grew, at what point would you decide enough is enough? Or because it doesn't affect you personally is it ok? You seem to be in a minority in your views here, I believe. In fact people have taken views that figures like these demand action and rightly so. You are aware that there was one attack which killed about 600 less people, subsequently led to millions being killed. At the time this was seen as a justifiable and righteous thing to do. You've heard of Pearl Harbour I take it, but that was *just* 2,400 killed, by your thinking why did the Yanks even bother to get put of bed to respond to the threat of Axis evil. Oct 7th was committed by Hamas, a terrorist group, an actual terrorist group and is a proxy of Iran and gets part of its funding from Iran. But it's still an act of terrorism, it was not an act of war. Iran doesn't sponsor war, it just arms terrorists, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and the like. Firstly Oct 7th wasn't an act of War, Hamas didn't target any military targets, tgey targetted civilians. Secondly it requires soldiers to fight each other, Hamas aren't soldiers, they are terrorists. R@pe, torture, kidn@pping and burning babies are not considered acts of War, these are objective acts of terror. I think you understand this and know that in this case War and terrorism are mutually exclusive, they are definitely not the same. So your point about ideology is not as valid as you think. What ideology allows for the innocent slaughter of Aussie Jews by these evil terrorists? Two Indians, a father and son, killed these innocent people, what the fuck have these Aussie Jews done to India to warrant such barbaric acts? As for ideology, I'm aware that everyone follows one. The difference here is that not everyone's ideology believes terrorism is a valid form of expression. 85% of terrorism is committed by Islamic Fundamentalists, all within the last 45 years. But maybe your right, its not affected me or mine so fuck it, let them carry on, not like the Jews aren't used to being persecuted, you'd think after thousands of years they'd stop bleating on about it by now... Mrs x | |||
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" Islamic terrorism comes from an ideology, and as an ideology it's no more dangerous than capitalism. Look at the U.S./UK coup of Iran in 1953 over oil & the chain of events in the Middle East that have unfolded since to give one example of that. This is a ridiculous analysis of cause and effect. Islamic terrorism is about killing people. Capitalism is not. Will you agree that socialism is worse than capitalism because of the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Mao? We're all - all of us - following ideologies, and everyone thinks that their ideology is "the right one" because it's the one they know. And that's where pretty much all the conflict in the world stems from. The real problem isn't really the ideology itself, but the inability to recognise that you're part of one. Will you do this kind of gaslighting and defending about far right ideologies or do you do this only for Islamic terrorists? There is a reason I plucked ‘Capitalism’ from the air as an example to put up against Islamic militancy. Because it is seen as a benign system that creates no casualties….& of course, that is bullshit. As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. " The father of the Bondi terrorists was born in Indian, you do know that? The son is an Indian Aussie. Makes a mockery of what you are saying, you really need to apologise to this poster, Mrs x | |||
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" As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. Nice to see you being openly racist I admire your honesty
If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented.
If that is me being racist so be it.
No it doesn't. In the mind of racists like you, it may look like that.
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" As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. Nice to see you being openly racist I admire your honesty
If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented.
If that is me being racist so be it.
No it doesn't. In the mind of racists like you, it may look like that.
Yeah ok, whatever you say pal. An effortless Google says differently.
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If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented.
If that is me being racist so be it.
No it doesn't. In the mind of racists like you, it may look like that.
Yeah ok, whatever you say pal. An effortless Google says differently.
What exactly did you ask Google? Whatever he asked, I'm sure he didn't even look at the answer... he doesn't need to, he just KNOWS...
Mrs x"Ha ha. If you use the right words, you can get Google to spit out anything. There are areas in India where communal tensions are rife. And that goes both ways. Hindus attacking Muslims and Muslims attacking Hindus. So when you search for Islamophobia in India, you will see news about Hindus attacking Muslims. These are indeed examples of Islamophobia in India. But to jump from that to saying that if you are an Indian, it's "highly likely" you are an Islamophobe is ridiculous and just shows the racist ideas they harbour. | |||
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" As regards your second point, you’re Indian, therefore have highly likely already had your mind poisoned so when the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’ are even mentioned in isolation you probably have steam coming out of your ears. I’ll leave it there. Nice to see you being openly racist I admire your honesty
If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented.
If that is me being racist so be it.
No it doesn't. In the mind of racists like you, it may look like that.
Yeah ok, whatever you say pal. An effortless Google says differently.
What exactly did you ask Google? Whatever he asked, I'm sure he didn't even look at the answer... he doesn't need to, he just KNOWS...
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Ha ha. If you use the right words, you can get Google to spit out anything.
There are areas in India where communal tensions are rife. And that goes both ways. Hindus attacking Muslims and Muslims attacking Hindus.
So when you search for Islamophobia in India, you will see news about Hindus attacking Muslims. These are indeed examples of Islamophobia in India.
But to jump from that to saying that if you are an Indian, it's "highly likely" you are an Islamophobe is ridiculous and just shows the racist ideas they harbour."I'm sure the two guys here, responsible for this like attack are Indians. The father I think was born in Hyderabad, the other guy was his son. Bit early for casual racism, I'm still in bed, not even had a coffee yet, Mrs x | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented." "Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave." "Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything?" If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. "Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise." So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature. | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave. Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything? If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise. So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature." I pointed out that when the Jews weren’t getting what they wanted, they also resorted to terrorism. The reply was ‘so we’re back to hating the Jews’ Presumptuous statement about me & my beliefs I’d say. | |||
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"…it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they?" "You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty." Given this is the first interaction between you two in this thread, it steps over the line for me. If there's a history from other threads, leave that history there. | |||
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"…it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. Given this is the first interaction between you two in this thread, it steps over the line for me. If there's a history from other threads, leave that history there." Well said. I will take the opportunity to apologise for presuming the Indian chap is an Islamophobe. It was wrong of me to do so. But when you are batting away a shoal of Pit Bulls with the bit between their teeth, what can I say? I’m human. Nonetheless, that is no excuse for it, so again, I apologise. He also seems to be denying India in general has a wider problem with Islamophobia though, which many other sources with more gravitas than me, disagree with. | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave. Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything? If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise. So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature. I pointed out that when the Jews weren’t getting what they wanted, they also resorted to terrorism. The reply was ‘so we’re back to hating the Jews’ Presumptuous statement about me & my beliefs I’d say. " I cannot see the exact comment you are quoting, the closest thing I can see is that someone said you ..."want to bring it back to Jews being evil.", when you mentioned Jews resorted to terrorism at times. If this is what you mean then you are mistaken that they accused you of hating the Jews. Being evil is an act on behalf on an individual or group. And this person was just saying that you are trying to somehow justify evil by Islamic Terrorists because Jews have committed atrocities too. Thats not accusing you of hatred towards Jews, which is fundamentally different. Hatred is a belief by an individual towards another or others. This could be racist but not in of itself. Why did you misquote the poster? Was it a genuine mistake, or a linguistic fallacy to suit your narrative and a provide you with a deflection opportunity to avoid the decent response and just apologise for your object racism? Mrs x | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave. Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything? If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise. So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature. I pointed out that when the Jews weren’t getting what they wanted, they also resorted to terrorism. The reply was ‘so we’re back to hating the Jews’ Presumptuous statement about me & my beliefs I’d say. I cannot see the exact comment you are quoting, the closest thing I can see is that someone said you ..."want to bring it back to Jews being evil.", when you mentioned Jews resorted to terrorism at times. If this is what you mean then you are mistaken that they accused you of hating the Jews. Being evil is an act on behalf on an individual or group. And this person was just saying that you are trying to somehow justify evil by Islamic Terrorists because Jews have committed atrocities too. Thats not accusing you of hatred towards Jews, which is fundamentally different. Hatred is a belief by an individual towards another or others. This could be racist but not in of itself. Why did you misquote the poster? Was it a genuine mistake, or a linguistic fallacy to suit your narrative and a provide you with a deflection opportunity to avoid the decent response and just apologise for your object racism? Mrs x" That wasn’t the full quote was it though. Stop digging. | |||
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"…it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. Given this is the first interaction between you two in this thread, it steps over the line for me. If there's a history from other threads, leave that history there. Well said. I will take the opportunity to apologise for presuming the Indian chap is an Islamophobe. It was wrong of me to do so. But when you are batting away a shoal of Pit Bulls with the bit between their teeth, what can I say? I’m human. Nonetheless, that is no excuse for it, so again, I apologise. He also seems to be denying India in general has a wider problem with Islamophobia though, which many other sources with more gravitas than me, disagree with." You do know a genuine apology doesn't come with a but. Every word after that 'but' is used to excuse your poor behaviour and shows your insincerity. Its toxic narcissism, you might have well as said, you were sorry that those who commentated upon your behaviour were upset about your inappropriate comments. Pushing the blame onto the other posters for having a sensitive nature, whilst bot apologising for your actions yourself. Just say sorry and move on. Oh and name calling isn't much better, Pit Bulls and the like, very mature, you're an older guy who should know better, Mrs x | |||
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"…it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. Given this is the first interaction between you two in this thread, it steps over the line for me. If there's a history from other threads, leave that history there. Well said. I will take the opportunity to apologise for presuming the Indian chap is an Islamophobe. It was wrong of me to do so. But when you are batting away a shoal of Pit Bulls with the bit between their teeth, what can I say? I’m human. Nonetheless, that is no excuse for it, so again, I apologise. He also seems to be denying India in general has a wider problem with Islamophobia though, which many other sources with more gravitas than me, disagree with.You do know a genuine apology doesn't come with a but. Every word after that 'but' is used to excuse your poor behaviour and shows your insincerity. Its toxic narcissism, you might have well as said, you were sorry that those who commentated upon your behaviour were upset about your inappropriate comments. Pushing the blame onto the other posters for having a sensitive nature, whilst bot apologising for your actions yourself. Just say sorry and move on. Oh and name calling isn't much better, Pit Bulls and the like, very mature, you're an older guy who should know better, Mrs x" Bore off. I apologised when I acknowledged I was wrong. Do you want blood or something? Perfectly within my rights to call out some of the other stuff he was saying (& especially with backing) | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave. Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything? If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise. So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature. I pointed out that when the Jews weren’t getting what they wanted, they also resorted to terrorism. The reply was ‘so we’re back to hating the Jews’ Presumptuous statement about me & my beliefs I’d say. I cannot see the exact comment you are quoting, the closest thing I can see is that someone said you ..."want to bring it back to Jews being evil.", when you mentioned Jews resorted to terrorism at times. If this is what you mean then you are mistaken that they accused you of hating the Jews. Being evil is an act on behalf on an individual or group. And this person was just saying that you are trying to somehow justify evil by Islamic Terrorists because Jews have committed atrocities too. Thats not accusing you of hatred towards Jews, which is fundamentally different. Hatred is a belief by an individual towards another or others. This could be racist but not in of itself. Why did you misquote the poster? Was it a genuine mistake, or a linguistic fallacy to suit your narrative and a provide you with a deflection opportunity to avoid the decent response and just apologise for your object racism? Mrs x That wasn’t the full quote was it though. Stop digging." Stop digging??? I just looked up and read what you wrote and it wasn't the same. What you quoted meant something totally different from what you are trying to portray. If you have issues with your memory then you have an excuse, if not then stop putting words in people's mouths. It's not rocket science. Just for clarity here's tge full post... Your post- ""To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? " Their response- "You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty." See no mention of Jew hatred, you misquoted on purpose it would seem, Mrs x | |||
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" It would seem that one group of people take it that all Jews support the actions of Israel in Gaza and see any Jewish person as being the enemy. __ Then there is another group of people who see all Muslims as being potential terrorists/r@pists/gr@@ming gangs etc and hate all Islamics as a result. ___ It's important to understand and know that people of a specific faith do not have a Hive Mind and all terrorism and hate is abhorrent. " This was the smartest thing said in this thread…. And not only did not one of you answer it…. You all argued around it pointing fingers at each other proving the precise point the person made Well done each and every one of you So for each one that pointing fingers… just remember it’s not “them bad me innocent” This devolved into what conversations also do For example… literally I can go 50 years, terrorists killed athletes at the Munich Olympics, in response Israel said they would get everyone involved…. Mossad assassinated an innocent Moroccan man in Norway they wrongly believed was someone else Two wrongs dont make a right.. not any self reflection in that “my side” isn’t as innocent as you would like to believe For example, October 7th, heinous crime, also why do you think Isreal was not only not allowing foreign journalists into Gaza, but also targeting ones there… don’t tell me both sides didn’t commit war crimes Not enough self reflection and a whole load of rose tinted glasses | |||
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"…it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. Given this is the first interaction between you two in this thread, it steps over the line for me. If there's a history from other threads, leave that history there. Well said. I will take the opportunity to apologise for presuming the Indian chap is an Islamophobe. It was wrong of me to do so. But when you are batting away a shoal of Pit Bulls with the bit between their teeth, what can I say? I’m human. Nonetheless, that is no excuse for it, so again, I apologise. He also seems to be denying India in general has a wider problem with Islamophobia though, which many other sources with more gravitas than me, disagree with.You do know a genuine apology doesn't come with a but. Every word after that 'but' is used to excuse your poor behaviour and shows your insincerity. Its toxic narcissism, you might have well as said, you were sorry that those who commentated upon your behaviour were upset about your inappropriate comments. Pushing the blame onto the other posters for having a sensitive nature, whilst bot apologising for your actions yourself. Just say sorry and move on. Oh and name calling isn't much better, Pit Bulls and the like, very mature, you're an older guy who should know better, Mrs x Bore off. I apologised when I acknowledged I was wrong. Do you want blood or something? Perfectly within my rights to call out some of the other stuff he was saying (& especially with backing)" No, you are gaslighting, look it up. An apology with a but is not a genuine apology, its gaslighting, Mrs x | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave. Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything? If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise. So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature. I pointed out that when the Jews weren’t getting what they wanted, they also resorted to terrorism. The reply was ‘so we’re back to hating the Jews’ Presumptuous statement about me & my beliefs I’d say. I cannot see the exact comment you are quoting, the closest thing I can see is that someone said you ..."want to bring it back to Jews being evil.", when you mentioned Jews resorted to terrorism at times. If this is what you mean then you are mistaken that they accused you of hating the Jews. Being evil is an act on behalf on an individual or group. And this person was just saying that you are trying to somehow justify evil by Islamic Terrorists because Jews have committed atrocities too. Thats not accusing you of hatred towards Jews, which is fundamentally different. Hatred is a belief by an individual towards another or others. This could be racist but not in of itself. Why did you misquote the poster? Was it a genuine mistake, or a linguistic fallacy to suit your narrative and a provide you with a deflection opportunity to avoid the decent response and just apologise for your object racism? Mrs x That wasn’t the full quote was it though. Stop digging.Stop digging??? I just looked up and read what you wrote and it wasn't the same. What you quoted meant something totally different from what you are trying to portray. If you have issues with your memory then you have an excuse, if not then stop putting words in people's mouths. It's not rocket science. Just for clarity here's tge full post... Your post- ""To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? " Their response- "You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty." See no mention of Jew hatred, you misquoted on purpose it would seem, Mrs x" Bringing it back to Jews are evil (I said or indeed insinuated no such thing, just pointing out facts ie if the Jews thing using terrorism furthers their cause, they just like the Islamic fundamentalists, will resort to it, they don’t have to at the moment because the west arms them to the teeth) I’m hiding behind ‘Zionists’ (what is he talking about & insinuating?) Seriously, get out of here, you’re nothing more than his apologist. | |||
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" It would seem that one group of people take it that all Jews support the actions of Israel in Gaza and see any Jewish person as being the enemy. __ Then there is another group of people who see all Muslims as being potential terrorists/r@pists/gr@@ming gangs etc and hate all Islamics as a result. ___ It's important to understand and know that people of a specific faith do not have a Hive Mind and all terrorism and hate is abhorrent. This was the smartest thing said in this thread…. And not only did not one of you answer it…. You all argued around it pointing fingers at each other proving the precise point the person made Well done each and every one of you So for each one that pointing fingers… just remember it’s not “them bad me innocent” This devolved into what conversations also do For example… literally I can go 50 years, terrorists killed athletes at the Munich Olympics, in response Israel said they would get everyone involved…. Mossad assassinated an innocent Moroccan man in Norway they wrongly believed was someone else Two wrongs dont make a right.. not any self reflection in that “my side” isn’t as innocent as you would like to believe For example, October 7th, heinous crime, also why do you think Isreal was not only not allowing foreign journalists into Gaza, but also targeting ones there… don’t tell me both sides didn’t commit war crimes Not enough self reflection and a whole load of rose tinted glasses " This is an pretty sweeping statement, at least it is if you are trying to include me within it. I literally said in my second post that I do not believe the vast majority of Muslims are violent but I do believe something must be done about about the problem with the Fundamentalist minority, I think thats reasonable. Its also a clear statement that I agreed with the poster you are referencing to and didn't feel like I needed to comment on it. Here's exactly what I wrote, just in case you missed it, "So whilst I believe the vast majority of Muslims are not violent this does not mean that this tiny majority arent a huge problem, which needs addressing." So Muslims are not the problem, Islamic Fundamentalism is, in terms of it being the largest terrorist threat to the World right now. Hope this clarifies at least my position on this, Mrs x | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave. Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything? If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise. So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature. I pointed out that when the Jews weren’t getting what they wanted, they also resorted to terrorism. The reply was ‘so we’re back to hating the Jews’ Presumptuous statement about me & my beliefs I’d say. I cannot see the exact comment you are quoting, the closest thing I can see is that someone said you ..."want to bring it back to Jews being evil.", when you mentioned Jews resorted to terrorism at times. If this is what you mean then you are mistaken that they accused you of hating the Jews. Being evil is an act on behalf on an individual or group. And this person was just saying that you are trying to somehow justify evil by Islamic Terrorists because Jews have committed atrocities too. Thats not accusing you of hatred towards Jews, which is fundamentally different. Hatred is a belief by an individual towards another or others. This could be racist but not in of itself. Why did you misquote the poster? Was it a genuine mistake, or a linguistic fallacy to suit your narrative and a provide you with a deflection opportunity to avoid the decent response and just apologise for your object racism? Mrs x That wasn’t the full quote was it though. Stop digging.Stop digging??? I just looked up and read what you wrote and it wasn't the same. What you quoted meant something totally different from what you are trying to portray. If you have issues with your memory then you have an excuse, if not then stop putting words in people's mouths. It's not rocket science. Just for clarity here's tge full post... Your post- ""To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? " Their response- "You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty." See no mention of Jew hatred, you misquoted on purpose it would seem, Mrs x Bringing it back to Jews are evil (I said or indeed insinuated no such thing, just pointing out facts ie if the Jews thing using terrorism furthers their cause, they just like the Islamic fundamentalists, will resort to it, they don’t have to at the moment because the west arms them to the teeth) I’m hiding behind ‘Zionists’ (what is he talking about & insinuating?) Seriously, get out of here, you’re nothing more than his apologist.What he referred to was an act not a belief. Racism is a belief. Whenever mentioned your belief he referred to your statement that Israel committed certain acts. You changed what you said he said to suit your false narrative. That much is obvious now, Mrs x" Let’s make it very simple Why is what I said ‘hating the Jews’ exactly ? Equally simple answer please. Is it or isn’t it?  | |||
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" It would seem that one group of people take it that all Jews support the actions of Israel in Gaza and see any Jewish person as being the enemy. __ Then there is another group of people who see all Muslims as being potential terrorists/r@pists/gr@@ming gangs etc and hate all Islamics as a result. ___ It's important to understand and know that people of a specific faith do not have a Hive Mind and all terrorism and hate is abhorrent. This was the smartest thing said in this thread…. And not only did not one of you answer it…. You all argued around it pointing fingers at each other proving the precise point the person made Well done each and every one of you So for each one that pointing fingers… just remember it’s not “them bad me innocent” This devolved into what conversations also do For example… literally I can go 50 years, terrorists killed athletes at the Munich Olympics, in response Israel said they would get everyone involved…. Mossad assassinated an innocent Moroccan man in Norway they wrongly believed was someone else Two wrongs dont make a right.. not any self reflection in that “my side” isn’t as innocent as you would like to believe For example, October 7th, heinous crime, also why do you think Isreal was not only not allowing foreign journalists into Gaza, but also targeting ones there… don’t tell me both sides didn’t commit war crimes Not enough self reflection and a whole load of rose tinted glasses This is an pretty sweeping statement, at least it is if you are trying to include me within it. I literally said in my second post that I do not believe the vast majority of Muslims are violent but I do believe something must be done about about the problem with the Fundamentalist minority, I think thats reasonable. Its also a clear statement that I agreed with the poster you are referencing to and didn't feel like I needed to comment on it. Here's exactly what I wrote, just in case you missed it, "So whilst I believe the vast majority of Muslims are not violent this does not mean that this tiny majority arent a huge problem, which needs addressing." So Muslims are not the problem, Islamic Fundamentalism is, in terms of it being the largest terrorist threat to the World right now. Hope this clarifies at least my position on this, Mrs x" Oops I meant "tiny MINORITY", Mrs x | |||
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"If you are being ‘honest’ you will accept India has an huge Islamophobia problem that is very well & widely documented. Even if that were true, pointing at a specific person and saying "you're Indian, therefore you must be Islamophobic" is not an appropriate way to behave. Ah, but it’s ok for people to level the accusation towards me that I think Jews are evil & nobody says anything? If someone labelled you as a Jew-hater based on just your ethnic background, point that out to me and I'll condemn it. Accept the blatant double standards on this thread (including from yourself as you didn’t pull the poster up on that) then I’ll apologise. So you know what what you said is unacceptable and deserves an apology, but you won't give one because "they started it". Very mature. I pointed out that when the Jews weren’t getting what they wanted, they also resorted to terrorism. The reply was ‘so we’re back to hating the Jews’ Presumptuous statement about me & my beliefs I’d say. I cannot see the exact comment you are quoting, the closest thing I can see is that someone said you ..."want to bring it back to Jews being evil.", when you mentioned Jews resorted to terrorism at times. If this is what you mean then you are mistaken that they accused you of hating the Jews. Being evil is an act on behalf on an individual or group. And this person was just saying that you are trying to somehow justify evil by Islamic Terrorists because Jews have committed atrocities too. Thats not accusing you of hatred towards Jews, which is fundamentally different. Hatred is a belief by an individual towards another or others. This could be racist but not in of itself. Why did you misquote the poster? Was it a genuine mistake, or a linguistic fallacy to suit your narrative and a provide you with a deflection opportunity to avoid the decent response and just apologise for your object racism? Mrs x That wasn’t the full quote was it though. Stop digging.Stop digging??? I just looked up and read what you wrote and it wasn't the same. What you quoted meant something totally different from what you are trying to portray. If you have issues with your memory then you have an excuse, if not then stop putting words in people's mouths. It's not rocket science. Just for clarity here's tge full post... Your post- ""To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? " Their response- "You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty." See no mention of Jew hatred, you misquoted on purpose it would seem, Mrs x Bringing it back to Jews are evil (I said or indeed insinuated no such thing, just pointing out facts ie if the Jews thing using terrorism furthers their cause, they just like the Islamic fundamentalists, will resort to it, they don’t have to at the moment because the west arms them to the teeth) I’m hiding behind ‘Zionists’ (what is he talking about & insinuating?) Seriously, get out of here, you’re nothing more than his apologist.What he referred to was an act not a belief. Racism is a belief. Whenever mentioned your belief he referred to your statement that Israel committed certain acts. You changed what you said he said to suit your false narrative. That much is obvious now, Mrs x Let’s make it very simple Why is what I said ‘hating the Jews’ exactly ? Equally simple answer please. Is it or isn’t it? "Nobody, literally nobody said that. You are saying that to suit your narrative. You are trying to justify what you said to the other guy. But there's no justification, an apology that includes a but isn't genuine, I think you know that but you just wont admit it. You are only doubling down on your insincerity at the moment, Mrs x | |||
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"To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? " To which the response was: "You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty." This is the rationale behind the response. The key points that you're making are these: The West(ern foreign policy) is the biggest motivator for Islamic terrorism. Jews don't currently feel the need to terrorise people, but they would if they felt the need, and committed atrocities. Don't forget that Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack Western civilians because it's easier than attacking Israel. In the context of the Bondi tragedy, you are reminding people that Jews committed atrocities (and would commit them again if they felt the need) and demonstrated that they (Jews, not Zionists/Israel) are responsible for their own tragedy, through Western support for Israel. It was completely unnecessary to bring in "atrocities" except as gratuitous whataboutism - painting Jews as "evil". You would, presumably, complain if someone did that the other way around. This reads no differently than any other victim blaming exercise, and kicking Jews while they're down. The overwhelming sentiment from Jews in Australia is that exactly this mindset is what fosters an environment where Jews are under constant attack - not just these big attacks, but daily abuse in the street. Helpfully reminding people that it's "worth noting" & reinforcing the message that Jews really aren't such great people has an impact - that's the key takeaway from the interviews. The Jews living in Australia aren't responsible for any pre-state terrorism by Israelis, but they're sure paying the price for this sentiment now. That was the rationale behind the initial response. | |||
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Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time.
So what’s the root cause?
I mentioned in my original post. There is rampant anti-semitism being promoted among certain groups under the guise of anti-zionism
It would seem that one group of people take it that all Jews support the actions of Israel in Gaza and see any Jewish person as being the enemy.
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Then there is another group of people who see all Muslims as being potential terrorists/r@pists/gr@@ming gangs etc and hate all Islamics as a result.
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It's important to understand and know that people of a specific faith do not have a Hive Mind and all terrorism and hate is abhorrent. "It is indeed important for people to understand about people of faith do not have a hive mind. More importantly to remember that in all circumstances, not just when it suits. | |||
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Even now, the conversation has been shifted towards gun control instead of the root cause about which they have been warned about for a long time.
So what’s the root cause?
I mentioned in my original post. There is rampant anti-semitism being promoted among certain groups under the guise of anti-zionism
It would seem that one group of people take it that all Jews support the actions of Israel in Gaza and see any Jewish person as being the enemy.
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Then there is another group of people who see all Muslims as being potential terrorists/r@pists/gr@@ming gangs etc and hate all Islamics as a result.
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It's important to understand and know that people of a specific faith do not have a Hive Mind and all terrorism and hate is abhorrent.
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"Here is the full context. You wrote the following: To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? To which the response was: You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. This is the rationale behind the response. The key points that you're making are these: The West(ern foreign policy) is the biggest motivator for Islamic terrorism. Jews don't currently feel the need to terrorise people, but they would if they felt the need, and committed atrocities. Don't forget that Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack Western civilians because it's easier than attacking Israel. In the context of the Bondi tragedy, you are reminding people that Jews committed atrocities (and would commit them again if they felt the need) and demonstrated that they (Jews, not Zionists/Israel) are responsible for their own tragedy, through Western support for Israel. It was completely unnecessary to bring in "atrocities" except as gratuitous whataboutism - painting Jews as "evil". You would, presumably, complain if someone did that the other way around. This reads no differently than any other victim blaming exercise, and kicking Jews while they're down. The overwhelming sentiment from Jews in Australia is that exactly this mindset is what fosters an environment where Jews are under constant attack - not just these big attacks, but daily abuse in the street. Helpfully reminding people that it's "worth noting" & reinforcing the message that Jews really aren't such great people has an impact - that's the key takeaway from the interviews. The Jews living in Australia aren't responsible for any pre-state terrorism by Israelis, but they're sure paying the price for this sentiment now. That was the rationale behind the initial response. " I’m not using whataboutism to deflect though. The only reason I specifically mention the Jews is because - courtesy of the media - the Palestine/Israel conflict is portrayed as the preeminent axe to grind among militant Muslims & of course is used as justification for many acts of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. It is my belief that western foreign policy, which favours Israel in my opinion, fuels this. So yes, I’m pointing out that if the Jews were in more of an unfavourable position than they currently are, history shows that they aren’t really any better than Muslims in using terrorism to try & achieve their goals. Extremism, which exists across more than these two religions is the problem. And just to clarify for the avoidance of all doubt, I don’t hate Jews. I hate extremist Jews, just as I hate extremist Muslims Why am I ‘part of the problem’? | |||
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"Here is the full context. You wrote the following: To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? To which the response was: You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. This is the rationale behind the response. The key points that you're making are these: The West(ern foreign policy) is the biggest motivator for Islamic terrorism. Jews don't currently feel the need to terrorise people, but they would if they felt the need, and committed atrocities. Don't forget that Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack Western civilians because it's easier than attacking Israel. In the context of the Bondi tragedy, you are reminding people that Jews committed atrocities (and would commit them again if they felt the need) and demonstrated that they (Jews, not Zionists/Israel) are responsible for their own tragedy, through Western support for Israel. It was completely unnecessary to bring in "atrocities" except as gratuitous whataboutism - painting Jews as "evil". You would, presumably, complain if someone did that the other way around. This reads no differently than any other victim blaming exercise, and kicking Jews while they're down. The overwhelming sentiment from Jews in Australia is that exactly this mindset is what fosters an environment where Jews are under constant attack - not just these big attacks, but daily abuse in the street. Helpfully reminding people that it's "worth noting" & reinforcing the message that Jews really aren't such great people has an impact - that's the key takeaway from the interviews. The Jews living in Australia aren't responsible for any pre-state terrorism by Israelis, but they're sure paying the price for this sentiment now. That was the rationale behind the initial response. I’m not using whataboutism to deflect though. The only reason I specifically mention the Jews is because - courtesy of the media - the Palestine/Israel conflict is portrayed as the preeminent axe to grind among militant Muslims & of course is used as justification for many acts of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. It is my belief that western foreign policy, which favours Israel in my opinion, fuels this. So yes, I’m pointing out that if the Jews were in more of an unfavourable position than they currently are, history shows that they aren’t really any better than Muslims in using terrorism to try & achieve their goals. Extremism, which exists across more than these two religions is the problem. And just to clarify for the avoidance of all doubt, I don’t hate Jews. I hate extremist Jews, just as I hate extremist Muslims Why am I ‘part of the problem’? " When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x | |||
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"To add, not read the thread because ultimately all the, Europe did crusades, we went into Iraq, colonialism, Palestine, Jews did this, Jimmy Savile, etc... none of it matters. People from a certain culture attacked and killed those not like themselves. That is what it comes down to. Stop defending this barbarism, stop justifying it, and stop excusing it." For context... Someone from the same (or very similar) culture stepped in to prevent it, in an act of heroism. So by all means attack the ideology, but be careful about tarring all people within that culture. | |||
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"Here is the full context. You wrote the following: To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? To which the response was: You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. This is the rationale behind the response. The key points that you're making are these: The West(ern foreign policy) is the biggest motivator for Islamic terrorism. Jews don't currently feel the need to terrorise people, but they would if they felt the need, and committed atrocities. Don't forget that Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack Western civilians because it's easier than attacking Israel. In the context of the Bondi tragedy, you are reminding people that Jews committed atrocities (and would commit them again if they felt the need) and demonstrated that they (Jews, not Zionists/Israel) are responsible for their own tragedy, through Western support for Israel. It was completely unnecessary to bring in "atrocities" except as gratuitous whataboutism - painting Jews as "evil". You would, presumably, complain if someone did that the other way around. This reads no differently than any other victim blaming exercise, and kicking Jews while they're down. The overwhelming sentiment from Jews in Australia is that exactly this mindset is what fosters an environment where Jews are under constant attack - not just these big attacks, but daily abuse in the street. Helpfully reminding people that it's "worth noting" & reinforcing the message that Jews really aren't such great people has an impact - that's the key takeaway from the interviews. The Jews living in Australia aren't responsible for any pre-state terrorism by Israelis, but they're sure paying the price for this sentiment now. That was the rationale behind the initial response. I’m not using whataboutism to deflect though. The only reason I specifically mention the Jews is because - courtesy of the media - the Palestine/Israel conflict is portrayed as the preeminent axe to grind among militant Muslims & of course is used as justification for many acts of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. It is my belief that western foreign policy, which favours Israel in my opinion, fuels this. So yes, I’m pointing out that if the Jews were in more of an unfavourable position than they currently are, history shows that they aren’t really any better than Muslims in using terrorism to try & achieve their goals. Extremism, which exists across more than these two religions is the problem. And just to clarify for the avoidance of all doubt, I don’t hate Jews. I hate extremist Jews, just as I hate extremist Muslims Why am I ‘part of the problem’? When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x" When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it? | |||
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"Here is the full context. You wrote the following: To me at least, Western foreign policy in the Middle East seems to be a big motivator (if not the only motivator) for Islamic terrorism. This motivation for terrorism is something that Jews don’t have to the same extent in the present day. Militant Islamists have their motive to commit atrocities against western civilians because western governments generally back the state of Israel & what it does by maintaining the status quo, even when Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack innocent western civilians because it’s a lot easier than attacking the state of Israel. …it is also worth noting when the Jews didn’t have what they wanted, they also committed atrocities when they were trying to set up their state of Israel in the first place didn’t they? To which the response was: You really want to bring it back to Jews being evil. Here's a thought: you are part of the problem. At least the mask is off and you aren't hiding behind "Zionists" - thank you for your honesty. This is the rationale behind the response. The key points that you're making are these: The West(ern foreign policy) is the biggest motivator for Islamic terrorism. Jews don't currently feel the need to terrorise people, but they would if they felt the need, and committed atrocities. Don't forget that Israel flouts international law. Militant Islamists attack Western civilians because it's easier than attacking Israel. In the context of the Bondi tragedy, you are reminding people that Jews committed atrocities (and would commit them again if they felt the need) and demonstrated that they (Jews, not Zionists/Israel) are responsible for their own tragedy, through Western support for Israel. It was completely unnecessary to bring in "atrocities" except as gratuitous whataboutism - painting Jews as "evil". You would, presumably, complain if someone did that the other way around. This reads no differently than any other victim blaming exercise, and kicking Jews while they're down. The overwhelming sentiment from Jews in Australia is that exactly this mindset is what fosters an environment where Jews are under constant attack - not just these big attacks, but daily abuse in the street. Helpfully reminding people that it's "worth noting" & reinforcing the message that Jews really aren't such great people has an impact - that's the key takeaway from the interviews. The Jews living in Australia aren't responsible for any pre-state terrorism by Israelis, but they're sure paying the price for this sentiment now. That was the rationale behind the initial response. I’m not using whataboutism to deflect though. The only reason I specifically mention the Jews is because - courtesy of the media - the Palestine/Israel conflict is portrayed as the preeminent axe to grind among militant Muslims & of course is used as justification for many acts of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. It is my belief that western foreign policy, which favours Israel in my opinion, fuels this. So yes, I’m pointing out that if the Jews were in more of an unfavourable position than they currently are, history shows that they aren’t really any better than Muslims in using terrorism to try & achieve their goals. Extremism, which exists across more than these two religions is the problem. And just to clarify for the avoidance of all doubt, I don’t hate Jews. I hate extremist Jews, just as I hate extremist Muslims Why am I ‘part of the problem’? When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it?" you are conflating military with terrorism. When was the last time Jews beheaded people, r@ped or burnt anyone alive as an act of pure terror. Whats the name of this Jewish Terrorist group? Mrs x | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it? you are conflating military with terrorism. When was the last time Jews beheaded people, r@ped or burnt anyone alive as an act of pure terror. Whats the name of this Jewish Terrorist group? Mrs x" You are boring me again now, you are like a rabid dog with a bone who doesn’t know when to drop it. The Jews do not have to resort to terrorist acts anymore BECAUSE they are backed by the United States military & if they are on the receiving end of a terrorist act such as 7th October, they can embark on an open ended (& arguably over zealous) military campaign in response with pretty much unlimited weaponry. | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x Drone footage of Gaza not looking great. That aside Arabs in the West Bank have been terrorised, murdered, homes burnt out - exclusively by Jews. They have but by individuals nit a terrorist organisation, with terrorist aims. Its also on a much smaller scale, involving tens of people not tend of thousands. Any group can have bad actors but that doesn't make it a terrorist regime, Mrs x" Amnesty International claims over 1000 killed and 4,382 Palestinian civilians injured since 2023, through attacks on them by Jews. Add displacement through forced occultation abuses, theft of homes. All done by Jews | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it? you are conflating military with terrorism. When was the last time Jews beheaded people, r@ped or burnt anyone alive as an act of pure terror. Whats the name of this Jewish Terrorist group? Mrs x You are boring me again now, you are like a rabid dog with a bone who doesn’t know when to drop it. The Jews do not have to resort to terrorist acts anymore BECAUSE they are backed by the United States military & if they are on the receiving end of a terrorist act such as 7th October, they can embark on an open ended (& arguably over zealous) military campaign in response with pretty much unlimited weaponry. " Thats not terrorism though, or was the Falklands War terrorism? Mrs x | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x Drone footage of Gaza not looking great. That aside Arabs in the West Bank have been terrorised, murdered, homes burnt out - exclusively by Jews. They have but by individuals nit a terrorist organisation, with terrorist aims. Its also on a much smaller scale, involving tens of people not tend of thousands. Any group can have bad actors but that doesn't make it a terrorist regime, Mrs x Amnesty International claims over 1000 killed and 4,382 Palestinian civilians injured since 2023, through attacks on them by Jews. Add displacement through forced occultation abuses, theft of homes. All done by Jews " I'm not saying this hasnt happened or that its not terrible, it is but its not on the scale of Islamic Findamentalism. However the actual figures from Amnesty, you've quoted are not an accurate reflection as Amnesty does not differentiate between settler incidents and military action. Reuters and UN reports show hundreds of settler attacks annually, but most recorded fatalities in the West Bank are attributed to actions by Israeli security forces rather than settlers alone; estimates from various UN human rights bulletins suggest rather low double-digit figures for settler-caused deaths in recent years when isolated from military action — e.g., some years with several to around a dozen Palestinians killed by settlers in reported incidents. So although tragic its only a very small number of what could possibly be labelled as terror attacks. Mrs x | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it? you are conflating military with terrorism. When was the last time Jews beheaded people, r@ped or burnt anyone alive as an act of pure terror. Whats the name of this Jewish Terrorist group? Mrs x You are boring me again now, you are like a rabid dog with a bone who doesn’t know when to drop it. The Jews do not have to resort to terrorist acts anymore BECAUSE they are backed by the United States military & if they are on the receiving end of a terrorist act such as 7th October, they can embark on an open ended (& arguably over zealous) military campaign in response with pretty much unlimited weaponry. Thats not terrorism though, or was the Falklands War terrorism? Mrs x" Seriously, just stop. | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it? you are conflating military with terrorism. When was the last time Jews beheaded people, r@ped or burnt anyone alive as an act of pure terror. Whats the name of this Jewish Terrorist group? Mrs x You are boring me again now, you are like a rabid dog with a bone who doesn’t know when to drop it. The Jews do not have to resort to terrorist acts anymore BECAUSE they are backed by the United States military & if they are on the receiving end of a terrorist act such as 7th October, they can embark on an open ended (& arguably over zealous) military campaign in response with pretty much unlimited weaponry. Thats not terrorism though, or was the Falklands War terrorism? Mrs x Seriously, just stop. " Oh you are one of those kind of guys, you can have your say but don't want others to have theirs if you don't agree with what they are saying. You can't even debate why you don't agree, it's just stop it from you. Just a quick question is it because I'm a woman and therefore not able to understand such matters or is it rather you feel one way but can't articulate it adequately enough to make sense in the form of a debate. Can be frustrating on here but its a bit rude to just say stop it. Does that normally work for you in your ordinary life? Do others make exception for your rudeness because you are an old guy, even though at your age you should know better? Just curious, Mrs x | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it? you are conflating military with terrorism. When was the last time Jews beheaded people, r@ped or burnt anyone alive as an act of pure terror. Whats the name of this Jewish Terrorist group? Mrs x You are boring me again now, you are like a rabid dog with a bone who doesn’t know when to drop it. The Jews do not have to resort to terrorist acts anymore BECAUSE they are backed by the United States military & if they are on the receiving end of a terrorist act such as 7th October, they can embark on an open ended (& arguably over zealous) military campaign in response with pretty much unlimited weaponry. Thats not terrorism though, or was the Falklands War terrorism? Mrs x Seriously, just stop. Oh you are one of those kind of guys, you can have your say but don't want others to have theirs if you don't agree with what they are saying. You can't even debate why you don't agree, it's just stop it from you. Just a quick question is it because I'm a woman and therefore not able to understand such matters or is it rather you feel one way but can't articulate it adequately enough to make sense in the form of a debate. Can be frustrating on here but its a bit rude to just say stop it. Does that normally work for you in your ordinary life? Do others make exception for your rudeness because you are an old guy, even though at your age you should know better? Just curious, Mrs x" Oh no, don’t worry about any of those things because it’s none of them. It’s just that I’m reading the room, I’ve made my points & I recognise it’s now time to stop making them. You carry on having a conversation with yourself if you like, the floor is yours. | |||
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" When was the last time Jews resorted to terrorism? Mrs x When was the last time they had to? Backing from the world’s largest military kinda negates the need somewhat doesn’t it? you are conflating military with terrorism. When was the last time Jews beheaded people, r@ped or burnt anyone alive as an act of pure terror. Whats the name of this Jewish Terrorist group? Mrs x You are boring me again now, you are like a rabid dog with a bone who doesn’t know when to drop it. The Jews do not have to resort to terrorist acts anymore BECAUSE they are backed by the United States military & if they are on the receiving end of a terrorist act such as 7th October, they can embark on an open ended (& arguably over zealous) military campaign in response with pretty much unlimited weaponry. Thats not terrorism though, or was the Falklands War terrorism? Mrs x Seriously, just stop. Oh you are one of those kind of guys, you can have your say but don't want others to have theirs if you don't agree with what they are saying. You can't even debate why you don't agree, it's just stop it from you. Just a quick question is it because I'm a woman and therefore not able to understand such matters or is it rather you feel one way but can't articulate it adequately enough to make sense in the form of a debate. Can be frustrating on here but its a bit rude to just say stop it. Does that normally work for you in your ordinary life? Do others make exception for your rudeness because you are an old guy, even though at your age you should know better? Just curious, Mrs x Oh no, don’t worry about any of those things because it’s none of them. It’s just that I’m reading the room, I’ve made my points & I recognise it’s now time to stop making them. You carry on having a conversation with yourself if you like, the floor is yours." The floor is mine, thank you, I think but then again I have a sneaky suspicion you just want me to mop it, Mrs x | |||
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"BBC News - Two arrested after police say they will act against intifada chants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde65de81jgo Balancing free speech and communal safety/public order is always difficult and subject to criticism. Interestingly, many people flip-flop between protecting what they want to be free to say and banning criticism that they don't want to hear." Think this is long overdue, Mrs x | |||
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"BBC News - Two arrested after police say they will act against intifada chants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde65de81jgo Balancing free speech and communal safety/public order is always difficult and subject to criticism. Interestingly, many people flip-flop between protecting what they want to be free to say and banning criticism that they don't want to hear." Better late than never, but I do feel authorities let this slip purposefully in the hope it would simply fade away. | |||
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"BBC News - Two arrested after police say they will act against intifada chants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde65de81jgo Balancing free speech and communal safety/public order is always difficult and subject to criticism. Interestingly, many people flip-flop between protecting what they want to be free to say and banning criticism that they don't want to hear. Better late than never, but I do feel authorities let this slip purposefully in the hope it would simply fade away." Its a complicated issue so you may be right, it would certainly be simpler for governments to see it disappear on its own rather than having to deal with it themselves. But they cannot allow this to continue, Mrs x | |||
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"BBC News - Two arrested after police say they will act against intifada chants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde65de81jgo Balancing free speech and communal safety/public order is always difficult and subject to criticism. Interestingly, many people flip-flop between protecting what they want to be free to say and banning criticism that they don't want to hear. Better late than never, but I do feel authorities let this slip purposefully in the hope it would simply fade away." Finsbury Park mosque and others should have been shut down years ago. Reap what we sow. | |||
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"BBC News - Two arrested after police say they will act against intifada chants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde65de81jgo Balancing free speech and communal safety/public order is always difficult and subject to criticism. Interestingly, many people flip-flop between protecting what they want to be free to say and banning criticism that they don't want to hear." Too little, too late. 12 months of hate marches every week with nothing done. | |||
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