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"It will fail. The destruction of Israel is Hamas's sole reason to exist. If they agree to Trump's deal then it would be the end of Hamas. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. " That assumes Hamas abide by the rules. Why wouldn't they allow the rebuild to begin and profit from that, whilst rebuilding their own forces. Even if a deal required Hamas to be dismantled, how would that be managed or measured? At best Gaza will end up with Hamas 2.0 under a different name. | |||
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"It's obviously done with Israel in power and without sufficient input from Palestine, which isn't the right foundation for peace. " Who would be at the table from the Palestinian side? | |||
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"It will fail. The destruction of Israel is Hamas's sole reason to exist. If they agree to Trump's deal then it would be the end of Hamas. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. That assumes Hamas abide by the rules. Why wouldn't they allow the rebuild to begin and profit from that, whilst rebuilding their own forces. Even if a deal required Hamas to be dismantled, how would that be managed or measured? At best Gaza will end up with Hamas 2.0 under a different name." You mean Hamas speaking with forked tongue? Who'd have thought? | |||
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"You mean Hamas speaking with forked tongue? Who'd have thought?" Point 17 of the plan is interesting... "17. If Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above points will proceed in terror-free areas, which the IDF will gradually hand over to the international stabilization force. This is the first mention of the possibility that the deal could be at least partially implemented, even if Hamas doesn’t agree." Source: Times of Israel This seems to have been neglected in most reports and provides a mechanism for some progress to be made even if Hamas rejects the plan outright or asks for modifications. So providing that Netanyahu really does agree with the plan there shouldn't be a cliff edge failure and a gradualistic approach could take place. Also Trump has said that he won't allow Israel to annex the West Bank, so that takes some pressure off the situation if he means it. | |||
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"Reading the latest on this it appears Trump has been successful. Israel have been told to stop bombing and Hamas agree to release the hostages Who would have believed it " From the BBC (similar reporting on other media channels). "The Hamas statement did not specifically mention or accept Trump's 20-point plan but says it "renews its agreement to hand over the administration of the Gaza Strip to a Palestinian body of independents (technocrats), based on Palestinian national consensus and Arab and Islamic support. However the statement makes no mention of one of the key demands of the plan – that Hamas agree to its disarmament and to playing no further role in the governance of Gaza. The peace plan proposes an immediate end to fighting and the release within 72 hours of 20 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas - as well as the remains of hostages thought to be dead - in exchange for hundreds of detained Gazans. There are believed to be 48 hostages still being held in the Palestinian territory by the armed group, only 20 of whom are thought to be alive. The plan stipulates that once both sides agree to the proposal "full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip". Under the US plan, Hamas would have no role in governing Gaza, and it leaves the door open for an eventual Palestinian state. However, after Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu announced the plan together on Monday, Netanyahu reinstated his longstanding opposition to a Palestinian state, saying in a video statement shortly after the announcement: "It's not written in the agreement. We said we would strongly oppose a Palestinian state." Hamas's statement on Friday said that the part of the proposals dealing with the future of Gaza and the rights of Palestinian people was still being discussed "within a national framework", of which it said Hamas will be a part." Not sure Trump can claim the credit he is. And as Netanyahu is still 100% against a Palestinian state how successful any peace deal will be given he's not showing any signs of compromise. 🤔🤷♂️ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o | |||
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"Reading the latest on this it appears Trump has been successful. Israel have been told to stop bombing and Hamas agree to release the hostages Who would have believed it From the BBC (similar reporting on other media channels). "The Hamas statement did not specifically mention or accept Trump's 20-point plan but says it "renews its agreement to hand over the administration of the Gaza Strip to a Palestinian body of independents (technocrats), based on Palestinian national consensus and Arab and Islamic support. However the statement makes no mention of one of the key demands of the plan – that Hamas agree to its disarmament and to playing no further role in the governance of Gaza. The peace plan proposes an immediate end to fighting and the release within 72 hours of 20 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas - as well as the remains of hostages thought to be dead - in exchange for hundreds of detained Gazans. There are believed to be 48 hostages still being held in the Palestinian territory by the armed group, only 20 of whom are thought to be alive. The plan stipulates that once both sides agree to the proposal "full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip". Under the US plan, Hamas would have no role in governing Gaza, and it leaves the door open for an eventual Palestinian state. However, after Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu announced the plan together on Monday, Netanyahu reinstated his longstanding opposition to a Palestinian state, saying in a video statement shortly after the announcement: "It's not written in the agreement. We said we would strongly oppose a Palestinian state." Hamas's statement on Friday said that the part of the proposals dealing with the future of Gaza and the rights of Palestinian people was still being discussed "within a national framework", of which it said Hamas will be a part." Not sure Trump can claim the credit he is. And as Netanyahu is still 100% against a Palestinian state how successful any peace deal will be given he's not showing any signs of compromise. 🤔🤷♂️ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o " There are some parts of that statement that admit war crimes, but that's no matter we will have peace and no responsibility. | |||
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"This news looks very promising but there are multiple hurdles ahead. Trump deserves praise for his efforts. Biden never put this kind of pressure on Netanyahu. It looks like Netanyahu could survive this change in Israeli position even if Smotrich and Gvir pull the plug as I think parties on the left may step in to hold together a coalition. It's going to be a bumpy road but at least there is more hope now than there's been for a long time that the situation will improve for all involved. " Netanyahu shouldn't survive. He should be arrested. His aim of clinging to power has cost thousands of lives simply for his own benefit and to appease the likes of Smotrich and Gvir. Without them the hostages would have been released in a matter of days. | |||
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"Netanyahu shouldn't survive. He should be arrested. His aim of clinging to power has cost thousands of lives simply for his own benefit and to appease the likes of Smotrich and Gvir. Without them the hostages would have been released in a matter of days." We have to deal with the real world. Netanyahu has the power whether we like it or not. So if the left step in to bolster his position and this make peace possible then that's a good thing. | |||
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"Netanyahu shouldn't survive. He should be arrested. His aim of clinging to power has cost thousands of lives simply for his own benefit and to appease the likes of Smotrich and Gvir. Without them the hostages would have been released in a matter of days. We have to deal with the real world. Netanyahu has the power whether we like it or not. So if the left step in to bolster his position and this make peace possible then that's a good thing. " It's not that long ago since someone else was in power and people chose to 'deal with him. Remember the 1938 Munich Agreement? | |||
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"It's not that long ago since someone else was in power and people chose to 'deal with him. Remember the 1938 Munich Agreement?" If Smotrich and Gvir can be sidelined then that's potentially a big step forwards. I'm not naive. I know there are huge problems ahead and that the behaviour of the Israeli government (and Hamas) should be condemned but I hope these latest developments bring an end to the bombing and deprivation of two million desperate people. | |||
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