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"I D cards are just another way to control the minions, The government already have all your information from birth, They already have a system in place to prevent non national people from working and fines for those that employ them and why does your bank details have to be part of it. To control what you do with your own money. " they already control you.. why do you think you have to work and pay tax etc.. nobody and nothing is free... | |||
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"You will need to show your ID card before any purchase, check out videos from China, No no ID card for me and I will still pay with cash. " Where do you get your insightful info, Pete? | |||
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"You will need to show your ID card before any purchase, check out videos from China, No no ID card for me and I will still pay with cash. " You're not planning on changing jobs then? | |||
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"You do realise, that once they get this I D card in place, they will ask you to show it before every purchase, They will monitor how much alcohol you have, how much fast food you purchase, If you smoke, how much, Then when you need the NHS you could be refused, there is always a reason and immigration is not it. " Fucking brilliant !! Now I can say to Liz, tried to buy you that nice piece of jewellery but there was a problem with my ID card, just couldn't get them to accept it. Wonderful for fast food joints, they can have a sign flashing on the order screen.." You have had over 6 Maccies this week fatty, for the sake of your health HM Goverment is declining this sale, Fuck Off home and have a salad". When you buy a packet of fags a huge picture comes on the screen showing a diseased lung and the sound of a death rattle emerges from the till. Not too sure how they would refuse you at A&E but I'm sure you will think up something. I can't wait for this ID card malarkey. I worked in Russia many years ago and even then the government didn't give a toss how you spent your money they just had some shops that only took foreign currency, kept the poor, smelly people away. Sounds good to me.  | |||
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"Are sales if tin foil up since this announcement? "Yeh but they will need an ID card to buy it soon so they gonna be screwed | |||
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"Are sales if tin foil up since this announcement?
Yeh but they will need an ID card to buy it soon so they gonna be screwed "
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"I can't see how they'll affect illegal immigration. The places that employ them don't ask for proof of eligibility to work anyway. " Exactly!! | |||
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"I can't see how they'll affect illegal immigration. The places that employ them don't ask for proof of eligibility to work anyway. Exactly!!" majority of deliveroo workers are illegal immigrants and shouldn’t be working | |||
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"I can't see how they'll affect illegal immigration. The places that employ them don't ask for proof of eligibility to work anyway. " Agreed. The only valid argument I could see is that people living here illegally couldn't access NHS anymore. But rest of employment happens using cash and ID proofs aren't going to solve that. | |||
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"I can't see how they'll affect illegal immigration. The places that employ them don't ask for proof of eligibility to work anyway. Exactly!! majority of deliveroo workers are illegal immigrants and shouldn’t be working " Deliveroo is legally expected to validate the residency status of their workers. Still there are many illegal immigrants doing deliveroo job because usually they deliver on behalf of someone else. The employee directly registered to deliveroo is usually a resident. But that resident outsources his job to an illegal immigrant and takes a cut in the money. ID cards aren't going to solve that. | |||
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"I can't see how they'll affect illegal immigration. The places that employ them don't ask for proof of eligibility to work anyway. Exactly!! majority of deliveroo workers are illegal immigrants and shouldn’t be working Deliveroo is legally expected to validate the residency status of their workers. Still there are many illegal immigrants doing deliveroo job because usually they deliver on behalf of someone else. The employee directly registered to deliveroo is usually a resident. But that resident outsources his job to an illegal immigrant and takes a cut in the money. ID cards aren't going to solve that." If the illegal immigrant is stopped at work their lack of digital ID would mean they are caught surely they’ll be unable to use the residents ID as picture wouldn’t match . | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace." I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂 | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace. I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂" It not only gets 'thrown around' but is well documented, so take a peek at any of multiple sources. In essence the system is designed to score the trustworthiness of individuals and organisations with resulting perks and penalties. The potential for abuse in a authoritarian society is pretty obvious and has no place in a liberal democracy. For me, the biggest red flag is Labour's sly attempt to launch the scheme to control illegal immigration. It does no such thing, so we have to question their real motives. | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace. I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂 It not only gets 'thrown around' but is well documented, so take a peek at any of multiple sources. In essence the system is designed to score the trustworthiness of individuals and organisations with resulting perks and penalties. The potential for abuse in a authoritarian society is pretty obvious and has no place in a liberal democracy. For me, the biggest red flag is Labour's sly attempt to launch the scheme to control illegal immigration. It does no such thing, so we have to question their real motives." I'd love to see this 'well documented' evidence. But no YouTube vids, memes or shite shared on Facey please. Just verifiable news from reputable sources. I mean....digital ID's have been around in Europe for as long as 20 years with not one instance of any government overreach, authoritarian control or anything that people have been saying will happen. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"It is very worrying just how naive some of the replies have been, which was my rear when I asked the question. How have so many people not twigged what is going on having lived through the last five years of the world slipping into a state of totalitarian control. Covid was a testing ground which proved to the powers that be that a majority of the population is completely compliant as long as it is scared. Digital ID will quickly become a noose round everyone's neck. " It's very paranoid to think that anyone digital ID will be linked to bank transactions. Please explain how your bank knows what you're purchasing? All they get is a total sum when you finish putting stuff through the checkout. They know where you're shopping, but not what you're buying. There's no notification to my bank when I buy haribos, cake, vodka, clothes, vape liquid, petrol or whatever. They know the retailer. Nothing more. Not once have I had an itemised list on a bank statement. That's of course forgetting that the proposed digital ID won't be linked to private financial institutions. That would breach data protection laws. And don't even get ne started on the BS about CBDC's, which at present don't exist, will never be compulsory and won't be used by the majority of the population even if at any time in the future they're introduced. The BOE have repeatedly states that bank deposits and cash will remain forever. I don't think people are being naive at all. Just not paranoid and suffering from delusional conspiracy theories. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace. I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂 It not only gets 'thrown around' but is well documented, so take a peek at any of multiple sources. In essence the system is designed to score the trustworthiness of individuals and organisations with resulting perks and penalties. The potential for abuse in a authoritarian society is pretty obvious and has no place in a liberal democracy. For me, the biggest red flag is Labour's sly attempt to launch the scheme to control illegal immigration. It does no such thing, so we have to question their real motives. I'd love to see this 'well documented' evidence. But no YouTube vids, memes or shite shared on Facey please. Just verifiable news from reputable sources. I mean....digital ID's have been around in Europe for as long as 20 years with not one instance of any government overreach, authoritarian control or anything that people have been saying will happen. 🤷♂️" Suggest you just look at Wiki or other reliable source for details of the Chinese Social Credit scheme. Taken with China's widespread use of facial recognition for all aspects of life, is this the type of surveillance we want in the UK? I don't care about Europe btw, we are capable of making our own decisions not aping others. We are on the cusp of a technology revolution with AI rolling out, we can't allow that to curtail our freedoms. | |||
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"It is very worrying just how naive some of the replies have been, which was my rear when I asked the question. How have so many people not twigged what is going on having lived through the last five years of the world slipping into a state of totalitarian control. Covid was a testing ground which proved to the powers that be that a majority of the population is completely compliant as long as it is scared. Digital ID will quickly become a noose round everyone's neck. It's very paranoid to think that anyone digital ID will be linked to bank transactions. Please explain how your bank knows what you're purchasing? All they get is a total sum when you finish putting stuff through the checkout. They know where you're shopping, but not what you're buying. There's no notification to my bank when I buy haribos, cake, vodka, clothes, vape liquid, petrol or whatever. They know the retailer. Nothing more. Not once have I had an itemised list on a bank statement. That's of course forgetting that the proposed digital ID won't be linked to private financial institutions. That would breach data protection laws. And don't even get ne started on the BS about CBDC's, which at present don't exist, will never be compulsory and won't be used by the majority of the population even if at any time in the future they're introduced. The BOE have repeatedly states that bank deposits and cash will remain forever. I don't think people are being naive at all. Just not paranoid and suffering from delusional conspiracy theories. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ " The internet already knows what you buy, even what you intend to buy. That's why ads keep popping up on our devices! If you link that kind of computing power to state controlled digital ID, the potential for covert surveillance is pretty obvious. | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace. I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂 It not only gets 'thrown around' but is well documented, so take a peek at any of multiple sources. In essence the system is designed to score the trustworthiness of individuals and organisations with resulting perks and penalties. The potential for abuse in a authoritarian society is pretty obvious and has no place in a liberal democracy. For me, the biggest red flag is Labour's sly attempt to launch the scheme to control illegal immigration. It does no such thing, so we have to question their real motives. I'd love to see this 'well documented' evidence. But no YouTube vids, memes or shite shared on Facey please. Just verifiable news from reputable sources. I mean....digital ID's have been around in Europe for as long as 20 years with not one instance of any government overreach, authoritarian control or anything that people have been saying will happen. 🤷♂️ Suggest you just look at Wiki or other reliable source for details of the Chinese Social Credit scheme. Taken with China's widespread use of facial recognition for all aspects of life, is this the type of surveillance we want in the UK? I don't care about Europe btw, we are capable of making our own decisions not aping others. We are on the cusp of a technology revolution with AI rolling out, we can't allow that to curtail our freedoms." Wiki? You mean the site where anyone and everyone can add things, factual or otherwise? 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂😂 Come on. Surely if there was such a controlling system there'd be plenty of verifiable news stories in respectable media? But no. There isnt. Because guess what.....😂😂😂 | |||
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"It is very worrying just how naive some of the replies have been, which was my rear when I asked the question. How have so many people not twigged what is going on having lived through the last five years of the world slipping into a state of totalitarian control. Covid was a testing ground which proved to the powers that be that a majority of the population is completely compliant as long as it is scared. Digital ID will quickly become a noose round everyone's neck. It's very paranoid to think that anyone digital ID will be linked to bank transactions. Please explain how your bank knows what you're purchasing? All they get is a total sum when you finish putting stuff through the checkout. They know where you're shopping, but not what you're buying. There's no notification to my bank when I buy haribos, cake, vodka, clothes, vape liquid, petrol or whatever. They know the retailer. Nothing more. Not once have I had an itemised list on a bank statement. That's of course forgetting that the proposed digital ID won't be linked to private financial institutions. That would breach data protection laws. And don't even get ne started on the BS about CBDC's, which at present don't exist, will never be compulsory and won't be used by the majority of the population even if at any time in the future they're introduced. The BOE have repeatedly states that bank deposits and cash will remain forever. I don't think people are being naive at all. Just not paranoid and suffering from delusional conspiracy theories. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ The internet already knows what you buy, even what you intend to buy. That's why ads keep popping up on our devices! If you link that kind of computing power to state controlled digital ID, the potential for covert surveillance is pretty obvious." The internet isn’t a physical store. People are claiming you won't be able to buy food, alcohol or other goods in person, or buy tickets to travel. Individual retailers knowing what you buy on their own websites (where you can turn off cookies and tracking info of course) is world's apart from going shopping in the high street. But keep trying with the conspiracy stuff. It's honestly a great laugh. 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Re 'Chinese social credit scores' Provided by someone who lives in China. Here's what it includes. "1. Dishonest debtors 失信被执行人 People who are included in the "dishonest debtor list" because they are unable to execute or deliberately evade the execution of the court's ruling. 2. Restriction on high consumption 限制高消费 People who are included in the "restriction on high consumption list" because of debt or bankruptcy. The above-mentioned people may be restricted from taking public transportation, loans, and payments. These two points are mainly for debtors. 3. Punishment for bad behavior 不良行为惩戒 Some cities implement this policy and may deduct points for some minor violations. When the points are reached, fines may be imposed or some government services may be affected. (I am not sure, this is generally implemented by the municipal government) 4. Punishment measures for state-owned enterprises 国有企业的惩罚措施 For example, subway companies can punish people who evade fares and prohibit them from taking the subway for several months. High-speed rail can punish people who smoke or fight on the high-speed rail by prohibiting them from taking the high-speed rail. Power companies can also fine or cut off power for those who steal electricity. ［Credit score systems for large companies］: 1. Sesame Credit Score 芝麻信用 Alibaba's credit rating system. A comprehensive score is made based on your consumption and credit records on Alipay, Taobao and many loan companies. The score criteria even include your education, work, income, bank deposits and other information. 2. WeChat Credit Score 微信评分 The credit score system under Tencent. So essentially no different to financial credit checks in the UK and the rest of the world, along with what seem quite sensible policies on adverse behaviour on state and private transport networks, and people who steal energy from utility companies. You know people can already be banned from using public transport over here too don't you? And that if you tap into an electricity supply illegally and are caught they'll cut it off and you'll find it hard to get an account with a supplier legally? " I'd be happy for ID cards to show if you have ever been kicked off a flight for being pissed up or disruptive behaviour. Could easily show when you attempt to book and pay for a flight. Maybe extend it to intercity rail travel too. | |||
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"Re 'Chinese social credit scores' Provided by someone who lives in China. Here's what it includes. "1. Dishonest debtors 失信被执行人 People who are included in the "dishonest debtor list" because they are unable to execute or deliberately evade the execution of the court's ruling. 2. Restriction on high consumption 限制高消费 People who are included in the "restriction on high consumption list" because of debt or bankruptcy. The above-mentioned people may be restricted from taking public transportation, loans, and payments. These two points are mainly for debtors. 3. Punishment for bad behavior 不良行为惩戒 Some cities implement this policy and may deduct points for some minor violations. When the points are reached, fines may be imposed or some government services may be affected. (I am not sure, this is generally implemented by the municipal government) 4. Punishment measures for state-owned enterprises 国有企业的惩罚措施 For example, subway companies can punish people who evade fares and prohibit them from taking the subway for several months. High-speed rail can punish people who smoke or fight on the high-speed rail by prohibiting them from taking the high-speed rail. Power companies can also fine or cut off power for those who steal electricity. ［Credit score systems for large companies］: 1. Sesame Credit Score 芝麻信用 Alibaba's credit rating system. A comprehensive score is made based on your consumption and credit records on Alipay, Taobao and many loan companies. The score criteria even include your education, work, income, bank deposits and other information. 2. WeChat Credit Score 微信评分 The credit score system under Tencent. So essentially no different to financial credit checks in the UK and the rest of the world, along with what seem quite sensible policies on adverse behaviour on state and private transport networks, and people who steal energy from utility companies. You know people can already be banned from using public transport over here too don't you? And that if you tap into an electricity supply illegally and are caught they'll cut it off and you'll find it hard to get an account with a supplier legally? I'd be happy for ID cards to show if you have ever been kicked off a flight for being pissed up or disruptive behaviour. Could easily show when you attempt to book and pay for a flight. Maybe extend it to intercity rail travel too. " Thinking that information should be tied to your driver's license or passport. How many forms of ID do we actually need? | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace. I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂 It not only gets 'thrown around' but is well documented, so take a peek at any of multiple sources. In essence the system is designed to score the trustworthiness of individuals and organisations with resulting perks and penalties. The potential for abuse in a authoritarian society is pretty obvious and has no place in a liberal democracy. For me, the biggest red flag is Labour's sly attempt to launch the scheme to control illegal immigration. It does no such thing, so we have to question their real motives. I'd love to see this 'well documented' evidence. But no YouTube vids, memes or shite shared on Facey please. Just verifiable news from reputable sources. I mean....digital ID's have been around in Europe for as long as 20 years with not one instance of any government overreach, authoritarian control or anything that people have been saying will happen. 🤷♂️ Suggest you just look at Wiki or other reliable source for details of the Chinese Social Credit scheme. Taken with China's widespread use of facial recognition for all aspects of life, is this the type of surveillance we want in the UK? I don't care about Europe btw, we are capable of making our own decisions not aping others. We are on the cusp of a technology revolution with AI rolling out, we can't allow that to curtail our freedoms. Wiki? You mean the site where anyone and everyone can add things, factual or otherwise? 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂😂 Come on. Surely if there was such a controlling system there'd be plenty of verifiable news stories in respectable media? But no. There isnt. Because guess what.....😂😂😂" 'Respectable media'? LOL is there any? Use Google if you prefer and choose from any number of sources that describe the system in China. These stories don't get out of China. The lady whistle-blower on China's real covid story is still in jail!! | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace. I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂 It not only gets 'thrown around' but is well documented, so take a peek at any of multiple sources. In essence the system is designed to score the trustworthiness of individuals and organisations with resulting perks and penalties. The potential for abuse in a authoritarian society is pretty obvious and has no place in a liberal democracy. For me, the biggest red flag is Labour's sly attempt to launch the scheme to control illegal immigration. It does no such thing, so we have to question their real motives. I'd love to see this 'well documented' evidence. But no YouTube vids, memes or shite shared on Facey please. Just verifiable news from reputable sources. I mean....digital ID's have been around in Europe for as long as 20 years with not one instance of any government overreach, authoritarian control or anything that people have been saying will happen. 🤷♂️ Suggest you just look at Wiki or other reliable source for details of the Chinese Social Credit scheme. Taken with China's widespread use of facial recognition for all aspects of life, is this the type of surveillance we want in the UK? I don't care about Europe btw, we are capable of making our own decisions not aping others. We are on the cusp of a technology revolution with AI rolling out, we can't allow that to curtail our freedoms. Wiki? You mean the site where anyone and everyone can add things, factual or otherwise? 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂😂 Come on. Surely if there was such a controlling system there'd be plenty of verifiable news stories in respectable media? But no. There isnt. Because guess what.....😂😂😂 'Respectable media'? LOL is there any? Use Google if you prefer and choose from any number of sources that describe the system in China. These stories don't get out of China. The lady whistle-blower on China's real covid story is still in jail!!" I mean...that info I posted is actually from someone who lives in China now. Do you not think if such a system actually existed as you describe that the worldwide press (reputable, not youtubers, anonymous posting sites and of course....wiki) would have widely covered it? Do you not think it would be public knowledge for anyone working in China (there's thousands of overseas workers there from all around the world)? But of course no matter what is said, you'll never believe it, because the conspiracy stuff is far more exciting to believe. The reality far, far duller...🤦♂️🤷♂️ | |||
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"It's a Social Credit system by stealth. Labour, influenced by Blair, are aping the Chinese social credit system to give them control over the populace. I mean.....the 'social credit system' in China is actually no different to credit scoring for financial services products elsewhere in the world (UK included) and DBS checks for criminal records for employment and overseas travel. Both of which also happen worldwide. It's not some '1984' government control system that stops you breathing because you buy certain things or go to certain places. Please tell us anything different, with some verifiable sources for the info, because 'Chinese social credit scoring' gets thrown around a lot online and most of what is said is utter bollocks. 🤔🤷♂️😂 It not only gets 'thrown around' but is well documented, so take a peek at any of multiple sources. In essence the system is designed to score the trustworthiness of individuals and organisations with resulting perks and penalties. The potential for abuse in a authoritarian society is pretty obvious and has no place in a liberal democracy. For me, the biggest red flag is Labour's sly attempt to launch the scheme to control illegal immigration. It does no such thing, so we have to question their real motives. I'd love to see this 'well documented' evidence. But no YouTube vids, memes or shite shared on Facey please. Just verifiable news from reputable sources. I mean....digital ID's have been around in Europe for as long as 20 years with not one instance of any government overreach, authoritarian control or anything that people have been saying will happen. 🤷♂️ Suggest you just look at Wiki or other reliable source for details of the Chinese Social Credit scheme. Taken with China's widespread use of facial recognition for all aspects of life, is this the type of surveillance we want in the UK? I don't care about Europe btw, we are capable of making our own decisions not aping others. We are on the cusp of a technology revolution with AI rolling out, we can't allow that to curtail our freedoms. Wiki? You mean the site where anyone and everyone can add things, factual or otherwise? 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂😂 Come on. Surely if there was such a controlling system there'd be plenty of verifiable news stories in respectable media? But no. There isnt. Because guess what.....😂😂😂 'Respectable media'? LOL is there any? Use Google if you prefer and choose from any number of sources that describe the system in China. These stories don't get out of China. The lady whistle-blower on China's real covid story is still in jail!! I mean...that info I posted is actually from someone who lives in China now. Do you not think if such a system actually existed as you describe that the worldwide press (reputable, not youtubers, anonymous posting sites and of course....wiki) would have widely covered it? Do you not think it would be public knowledge for anyone working in China (there's thousands of overseas workers there from all around the world)? But of course no matter what is said, you'll never believe it, because the conspiracy stuff is far more exciting to believe. The reality far, far duller...🤦♂️🤷♂️ " I lived in China for a decade, not that long back. So yes, I know the span of the CCP and the consequences of stepping out of line. | |||
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"Re 'Chinese social credit scores' Provided by someone who lives in China. Here's what it includes. "1. Dishonest debtors 失信被执行人 People who are included in the "dishonest debtor list" because they are unable to execute or deliberately evade the execution of the court's ruling. 2. Restriction on high consumption 限制高消费 People who are included in the "restriction on high consumption list" because of debt or bankruptcy. The above-mentioned people may be restricted from taking public transportation, loans, and payments. These two points are mainly for debtors. 3. Punishment for bad behavior 不良行为惩戒 Some cities implement this policy and may deduct points for some minor violations. When the points are reached, fines may be imposed or some government services may be affected. (I am not sure, this is generally implemented by the municipal government) 4. Punishment measures for state-owned enterprises 国有企业的惩罚措施 For example, subway companies can punish people who evade fares and prohibit them from taking the subway for several months. High-speed rail can punish people who smoke or fight on the high-speed rail by prohibiting them from taking the high-speed rail. Power companies can also fine or cut off power for those who steal electricity. ［Credit score systems for large companies］: 1. Sesame Credit Score 芝麻信用 Alibaba's credit rating system. A comprehensive score is made based on your consumption and credit records on Alipay, Taobao and many loan companies. The score criteria even include your education, work, income, bank deposits and other information. 2. WeChat Credit Score 微信评分 The credit score system under Tencent. So essentially no different to financial credit checks in the UK and the rest of the world, along with what seem quite sensible policies on adverse behaviour on state and private transport networks, and people who steal energy from utility companies. You know people can already be banned from using public transport over here too don't you? And that if you tap into an electricity supply illegally and are caught they'll cut it off and you'll find it hard to get an account with a supplier legally? I'd be happy for ID cards to show if you have ever been kicked off a flight for being pissed up or disruptive behaviour. Could easily show when you attempt to book and pay for a flight. Maybe extend it to intercity rail travel too. Thinking that information should be tied to your driver's license or passport. How many forms of ID do we actually need?" Depends how far and why you travel. | |||
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"As someone who lives in a country that has digital ID, i have only seen benefits. But then i am not one who loves a life full of suspicion. I agree government does not have a good record of IT projects, but if implemented correctly, they have benefits. It can remove identify theft and related fraud; interaction with cross governmental services can be streamlined; personal records or reports can be accessed quicker and cheaper ( a good example is police records, mine took 15 mins and cost £10, where as UK six weeks and £72); all my licenses, passport, vehicle related documents, insurance policies, etc in one place." ".....all my licenses, passport, vehicle related documents, insurance policies, etc in one place." Frankly, that's my vision of hell! LOL Mainly for two reasons: 1. All that private information (and likely more in the future) vested with a single government agency. Yuch!! 2. What happens when the IT system gets hacked (which it will)? Then our entire life is in the ands of bad actors. Not for me I'm afraid. I've had a standard response today from the government on the petition. They're pushing ahead anyway, but ID registration won't be compulsory (well not for now anyway)  | |||
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""As someone who lives in a country that has digital ID, i have only seen benefits. But then i am not one who loves a life full of suspicion. I agree government does not have a good record of IT projects, but if implemented correctly, they have benefits. It can remove identify theft and related fraud; interaction with cross governmental services can be streamlined; personal records or reports can be accessed quicker and cheaper ( a good example is police records, mine took 15 mins and cost £10, where as UK six weeks and £72); all my licenses, passport, vehicle related documents, insurance policies, etc in one place" The EU's "Digital Identity (eID) Wallet" will be available before the end of 2026, because of it's cross-border advantages it'll be interesting to see how many individuals take it up. The UK is simply waking up late to the concept..." As always. Sadly british people seem to hate progress and change. Whereas in China we are seeing developments across so many sectors to their advantage and now the West is going backwards, where China is excelling in transport, energy, sustainability and lots more. | |||
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""As someone who lives in a country that has digital ID, i have only seen benefits. But then i am not one who loves a life full of suspicion. I agree government does not have a good record of IT projects, but if implemented correctly, they have benefits. It can remove identify theft and related fraud; interaction with cross governmental services can be streamlined; personal records or reports can be accessed quicker and cheaper ( a good example is police records, mine took 15 mins and cost £10, where as UK six weeks and £72); all my licenses, passport, vehicle related documents, insurance policies, etc in one place" The EU's "Digital Identity (eID) Wallet" will be available before the end of 2026, because of it's cross-border advantages it'll be interesting to see how many individuals take it up. The UK is simply waking up late to the concept... As always. Sadly british people seem to hate progress and change. Whereas in China we are seeing developments across so many sectors to their advantage and now the West is going backwards, where China is excelling in transport, energy, sustainability and lots more." Ordinary people in China may well hate change too. We don't know because they don't have a voice and they don't have a choice. | |||
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""As someone who lives in a country that has digital ID, i have only seen benefits. But then i am not one who loves a life full of suspicion. I agree government does not have a good record of IT projects, but if implemented correctly, they have benefits. It can remove identify theft and related fraud; interaction with cross governmental services can be streamlined; personal records or reports can be accessed quicker and cheaper ( a good example is police records, mine took 15 mins and cost £10, where as UK six weeks and £72); all my licenses, passport, vehicle related documents, insurance policies, etc in one place" The EU's "Digital Identity (eID) Wallet" will be available before the end of 2026, because of it's cross-border advantages it'll be interesting to see how many individuals take it up. The UK is simply waking up late to the concept... As always. Sadly british people seem to hate progress and change. Whereas in China we are seeing developments across so many sectors to their advantage and now the West is going backwards, where China is excelling in transport, energy, sustainability and lots more." Haha. Can't wait to see the responses from the forum chatterers. Blood pressure medication will be sold out by tonight. | |||
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"Like it or not , it’s coming . It’s free apparently So who is going to pay Tony Blair’s son and his and his company who are going to produce it , Think about it " I have thought about it. My thoughts are I will not have one. My other thoughts are if I will not have one, will that make me a criminal? Thats the issue with this idea for me if I refuse am I committing a crime. If anyone else refuses are they criminals? | |||
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"The level of paranoia amongst some people today is incredible. " Sometimes you have to ask, maybe it is more awareness and not paranoia. Guess you know best? | |||
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"Like it or not , it’s coming . It’s free apparently So who is going to pay Tony Blair’s son and his and his company who are going to produce it , Think about it I have thought about it. My thoughts are I will not have one. My other thoughts are if I will not have one, will that make me a criminal? Thats the issue with this idea for me if I refuse am I committing a crime. If anyone else refuses are they criminals?" The idea is to make the cards non-compulsory. But that's BS. The rules surrounding the card, and contents within it, will inevitably be expanded by stealth. It will likely be extended to facial and/or iris recognition in sort order. Then our lives are at the mercy of the state - or any bad actor who hacks the IT system. | |||
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"Like it or not , it’s coming . It’s free apparently So who is going to pay Tony Blair’s son and his and his company who are going to produce it , Think about it " Nobody apparently, since that guff about the contract turns out to be a false claim. 🤦😂 I wonder who started the rumour? 🤷♂️ | |||
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"my response to this - apart from scepticism - is to not renew my mobile phone contract. I'm tired of paying to be surveilled by my provider, and now the government wants to get in on it? In the words of porky pig, "p-p-p-piss off". Its like everything else - moan, criticise, moan. But how many will take some form of quiet but decisive action like mine? Everyone I know in the "RW" are too weak to do owt but complain mrs" So you're not going to have a mobile phone? Are you shutting down all social media accounts and stopping using the internet too? Because if you don't want to be 'surveilled' then that would be necessary. 🤔 | |||
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"my response to this - apart from scepticism - is to not renew my mobile phone contract. I'm tired of paying to be surveilled by my provider, and now the government wants to get in on it? In the words of porky pig, "p-p-p-piss off". Its like everything else - moan, criticise, moan. But how many will take some form of quiet but decisive action like mine? Everyone I know in the "RW" are too weak to do owt but complain mrs" My phone was going in the bin as soon as I finished working for myself anyway this just makes me even more determined to do it. | |||
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""My phone was going in the bin as soon as I finished working for myself anyway this just makes me even more determined to do it" And good luck with that... I am NOT one of those with a mobile 'phone glued to their hand, and only ever making one or two telephone calls and the occasional text, until this year I got by with the cheapest 'phone you could get (with a black and white screen!) and a PAYG SIM card. Everybody thought I was a drug dealer... But to access bank accounts and a myriad other "Two Factor Authentification (2FA)" obligations, I've been FORCED to buy a smart 'phone. If you find a way to exist in the 21st century without one, PLEASE let me know... AND TYPING THIS, MY COMPUTER'S SUDDENLY GONE INTO PREDICTIVE TEXT MODE, HOW THE HELL DO I STOP IT?" Haha I won’t need luck I live a very simple life and crave it being even easier, my kids have computers if I do need access to internet but I plan on limiting it as much as possible, I will have a house phone for those that need to contact me for anything. Passive income will pay my few bills and I will just wander the local countryside/farmland with my dog all day long | |||
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"my response to this - apart from scepticism - is to not renew my mobile phone contract. I'm tired of paying to be surveilled by my provider, and now the government wants to get in on it? In the words of porky pig, "p-p-p-piss off". Its like everything else - moan, criticise, moan. But how many will take some form of quiet but decisive action like mine? Everyone I know in the "RW" are too weak to do owt but complain mrs My phone was going in the bin as soon as I finished working for myself anyway this just makes me even more determined to do it. " Without your phone or internet how will you access FAB and contact interested ladies and couples. I suppose you could photograph your cock while sitting on the toilet (a favoured sexy single man photo pose) have thousands of the photo printed with the words Hi or What u up to or Hey and then hand them out to random ladies as you walk down the high street, it's a kind of analogue, pre internet FAB. Good luck, send me a letter how you get on. | |||
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"my response to this - apart from scepticism - is to not renew my mobile phone contract. I'm tired of paying to be surveilled by my provider, and now the government wants to get in on it? In the words of porky pig, "p-p-p-piss off". Its like everything else - moan, criticise, moan. But how many will take some form of quiet but decisive action like mine? Everyone I know in the "RW" are too weak to do owt but complain mrs My phone was going in the bin as soon as I finished working for myself anyway this just makes me even more determined to do it. Without your phone or internet how will you access FAB and contact interested ladies and couples. I suppose you could photograph your cock while sitting on the toilet (a favoured sexy single man photo pose) have thousands of the photo printed with the words Hi or What u up to or Hey and then hand them out to random ladies as you walk down the high street, it's a kind of analogue, pre internet FAB. Good luck, send me a letter how you get on. "Haha I’m here for the forums only I have a lass and expect to be still with her by then, If by any chance I’m not I’ll meet people the old fashioned way by going out places where likely to meet people with similar interests to my own let’s face it most us men not get any interest from women on here anyway ha probsbly better odd in real life | |||
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"my response to this - apart from scepticism - is to not renew my mobile phone contract. I'm tired of paying to be surveilled by my provider, and now the government wants to get in on it? In the words of porky pig, "p-p-p-piss off". Its like everything else - moan, criticise, moan. But how many will take some form of quiet but decisive action like mine? Everyone I know in the "RW" are too weak to do owt but complain mrs My phone was going in the bin as soon as I finished working for myself anyway this just makes me even more determined to do it. Without your phone or internet how will you access FAB and contact interested ladies and couples. I suppose you could photograph your cock while sitting on the toilet (a favoured sexy single man photo pose) have thousands of the photo printed with the words Hi or What u up to or Hey and then hand them out to random ladies as you walk down the high street, it's a kind of analogue, pre internet FAB. Good luck, send me a letter how you get on.
Haha I’m here for the forums only I have a lass and expect to be still with her by then, If by any chance I’m not I’ll meet people the old fashioned way by going out places where likely to meet people with similar interests to my own let’s face it most us men not get any interest from women on here anyway ha probsbly better odd in real life "Haha 😄 You're in good company. The percentage of people on here who won't meet is growing by the day. But the forums are good for a laugh and a great way to take another look and compare what they write on a forum post to what they write on their profile. We've decided not to meet up with people when we have read their comments on forums. Forum filters, works well. | |||
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"Honestly... if done correctly and security for it is done properly I don't see why it can't be implemented. I think it's Sweden that has a digital ID already and its used like a 2 factor authenticator. Allows for verification like a driving licence or passport for clubs and when dealing with stuff like banking it's used as a secure why to verify that hey this person I this person and they're good to go ahead" I am increasingly coming to this view. I totally understand the fear people have of government overreach but that ship has sailed a _LONG_ time ago. Our entire lives are now digital and we voluntarily gave up any pretence of privacy ages ago. We shouldn’t delude ourselves otherwise. The benefits of being able to prove who we are and/or verify elements of our identity (such as age or that you are an adult) is far more valuable nowadays. | |||
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" ... The benefits of being able to prove who we are and/or verify elements of our identity (such as age or that you are an adult) is far more valuable nowadays." The connection between age and being an adult has always been fairly tenuous! | |||
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"nothing to hide so not bothered either way." Worst argument ever. | |||
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"It IS a social credit system. "How? | |||
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"You will need to show your ID card before any purchase, check out videos from China, No no ID card for me and I will still pay with cash. " There are no plans for "a card" for British citizens, the clue is in the name DIGITAL ID. It won't apply to those that are retired and in receipt of a state pension, nor will it apply to British Citizens who are in further education and not seeking gainful employment. Many hundreds of thousands, or more likely in the millions, of adults in the UK are in unregistered employment, working in what used to be known as the "black economy".....with MANY of these individuals being either illegal migrants or visa over stayers. Lost income tax and NI contributions amount to over £3.8bn a year, if it takes a digital ID system to put this right then I'm for it. | |||
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"Just signed the petition against it. And I will use cash" It has NOTHING to do with paying by cash, digital ID is something ENTIRELY different | |||
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"It IS a social credit system. "No it REALLY isn't, stop listening to conspiracy theories | |||
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"A few months ago an elderly man wanted help setting up a Morrisons account he didn't have an email so I used mine. (Knowing that I shouldn't) Well this morning about 40 minutes ago I got an alert from apple stating my account details have been hacked. For me this is the third time, and the stress is unreal. And from my last experience who I looked into gaining recompense I am told I have to wait until the ICO has investigated which so far has taken nearly 3 years. There is more information coming out and it seems several other big companies are undergoing issues with their I.T. So as far as digital i.d goes. Not for me, as with the poster who has limited his internet access that is what I have done." Why would Apple send you an alert to inform you have been hacked on a Morrisons account? | |||
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"A few months ago an elderly man wanted help setting up a Morrisons account he didn't have an email so I used mine. (Knowing that I shouldn't) Well this morning about 40 minutes ago I got an alert from apple stating my account details have been hacked. For me this is the third time, and the stress is unreal. And from my last experience who I looked into gaining recompense I am told I have to wait until the ICO has investigated which so far has taken nearly 3 years. There is more information coming out and it seems several other big companies are undergoing issues with their I.T. So as far as digital i.d goes. Not for me, as with the poster who has limited his internet access that is what I have done." Which account details were they referring to? Morrisons, your bank, your email account? | |||
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"A few months ago an elderly man wanted help setting up a Morrisons account he didn't have an email so I used mine. (Knowing that I shouldn't) Well this morning about 40 minutes ago I got an alert from apple stating my account details have been hacked. For me this is the third time, and the stress is unreal. And from my last experience who I looked into gaining recompense I am told I have to wait until the ICO has investigated which so far has taken nearly 3 years. There is more information coming out and it seems several other big companies are undergoing issues with their I.T. So as far as digital i.d goes. Not for me, as with the poster who has limited his internet access that is what I have done. Why would Apple send you an alert to inform you have been hacked on a Morrisons account? " Apple have informed me twice, I do not know how, It seems amazon have suffered an outrage not connected to Morrisons. So again for me Digital I.D no way, and I hope anyone dosent get hacked it is a nightmare, I have lost trust in any organisation. | |||
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"A few months ago an elderly man wanted help setting up a Morrisons account he didn't have an email so I used mine. (Knowing that I shouldn't) Well this morning about 40 minutes ago I got an alert from apple stating my account details have been hacked. For me this is the third time, and the stress is unreal. And from my last experience who I looked into gaining recompense I am told I have to wait until the ICO has investigated which so far has taken nearly 3 years. There is more information coming out and it seems several other big companies are undergoing issues with their I.T. So as far as digital i.d goes. Not for me, as with the poster who has limited his internet access that is what I have done. Which account details were they referring to? Morrisons, your bank, your email account? " If anyone has made a shopping account Tescos, morisions Asda etc they are required to give name, address, date of birth email phone details and bank details a hackers wet dream who will then post details on to the dark wab to the highest bidder. The information the hackers got off morrisions wasn't mine except my email which I may closedown now. | |||
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"A few months ago an elderly man wanted help setting up a Morrisons account he didn't have an email so I used mine. (Knowing that I shouldn't) Well this morning about 40 minutes ago I got an alert from apple stating my account details have been hacked. For me this is the third time, and the stress is unreal. And from my last experience who I looked into gaining recompense I am told I have to wait until the ICO has investigated which so far has taken nearly 3 years. There is more information coming out and it seems several other big companies are undergoing issues with their I.T. So as far as digital i.d goes. Not for me, as with the poster who has limited his internet access that is what I have done. Which account details were they referring to? Morrisons, your bank, your email account? If anyone has made a shopping account Tescos, morisions Asda etc they are required to give name, address, date of birth email phone details and bank details a hackers wet dream who will then post details on to the dark wab to the highest bidder. The information the hackers got off morrisions wasn't mine except my email which I may closedown now." I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? | |||
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"A few months ago an elderly man wanted help setting up a Morrisons account he didn't have an email so I used mine. (Knowing that I shouldn't) Well this morning about 40 minutes ago I got an alert from apple stating my account details have been hacked. For me this is the third time, and the stress is unreal. And from my last experience who I looked into gaining recompense I am told I have to wait until the ICO has investigated which so far has taken nearly 3 years. There is more information coming out and it seems several other big companies are undergoing issues with their I.T. So as far as digital i.d goes. Not for me, as with the poster who has limited his internet access that is what I have done. Which account details were they referring to? Morrisons, your bank, your email account? If anyone has made a shopping account Tescos, morisions Asda etc they are required to give name, address, date of birth email phone details and bank details a hackers wet dream who will then post details on to the dark wab to the highest bidder. The information the hackers got off morrisions wasn't mine except my email which I may closedown now. I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to?" It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. | |||
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"A few months ago an elderly man wanted help setting up a Morrisons account he didn't have an email so I used mine. (Knowing that I shouldn't) Well this morning about 40 minutes ago I got an alert from apple stating my account details have been hacked. For me this is the third time, and the stress is unreal. And from my last experience who I looked into gaining recompense I am told I have to wait until the ICO has investigated which so far has taken nearly 3 years. There is more information coming out and it seems several other big companies are undergoing issues with their I.T. So as far as digital i.d goes. Not for me, as with the poster who has limited his internet access that is what I have done. Which account details were they referring to? Morrisons, your bank, your email account? If anyone has made a shopping account Tescos, morisions Asda etc they are required to give name, address, date of birth email phone details and bank details a hackers wet dream who will then post details on to the dark wab to the highest bidder. The information the hackers got off morrisions wasn't mine except my email which I may closedown now. I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to?" As for amazon I first thought the two were linked but amazon it seems has had an outrage not hack. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine." I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. " I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible." Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. I would be very careful if you have a notification from Apple saying otherwise, as that is more than likely spam or phishing. on another note, if you use Apple's sign in with Apple authentication on any site you sign up to, your password is never sent to the website, or the retailer. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible. Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. I would be very careful if you have a notification from Apple saying otherwise, as that is more than likely spam or phishing. on another note, if you use Apple's sign in with Apple authentication on any site you sign up to, your password is never sent to the website, or the retailer. " I did not put my experience on here to mislead anyone. But rather to show the flaws of going digital. If you know apple systems then you know what your user name is? I do not click links. Instead I use my app to buy stuff as my bank has to authorise any payments I make, I do not mean Apple Pay I mean my banking app. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible. Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. I would be very careful if you have a notification from Apple saying otherwise, as that is more than likely spam or phishing. on another note, if you use Apple's sign in with Apple authentication on any site you sign up to, your password is never sent to the website, or the retailer. I did not put my experience on here to mislead anyone. But rather to show the flaws of going digital. If you know apple systems then you know what your user name is? I do not click links. Instead I use my app to buy stuff as my bank has to authorise any payments I make, I do not mean Apple Pay I mean my banking app." I wasn't saying you were trying to mislead. The most secure way to use sites requiring a login is to use either Apple or Google sign in and choose a suggested password. If you use Apple, you will also have the option to hide your email address, you still receive emails from the site. Apple provides a random email address to the site and it forwards to your correct email in the background. You can use these services on sites you are already signed up to. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible." I don't think I will be alright. I do know that it's possible to hack in to someone's email account and use it to impersonate them asking for help in the form of apple pay cards etc. From what you have said I think you have taken appropriate precautions hence me saying I don't think you have too much to be concerned about | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible. Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. I would be very careful if you have a notification from Apple saying otherwise, as that is more than likely spam or phishing. on another note, if you use Apple's sign in with Apple authentication on any site you sign up to, your password is never sent to the website, or the retailer. I did not put my experience on here to mislead anyone. But rather to show the flaws of going digital. If you know apple systems then you know what your user name is? I do not click links. Instead I use my app to buy stuff as my bank has to authorise any payments I make, I do not mean Apple Pay I mean my banking app. I wasn't saying you were trying to mislead. The most secure way to use sites requiring a login is to use either Apple or Google sign in and choose a suggested password. If you use Apple, you will also have the option to hide your email address, you still receive emails from the site. Apple provides a random email address to the site and it forwards to your correct email in the background. You can use these services on sites you are already signed up to." I say apple informed me. you replied, Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. But that doesn't mean they didn't tell me as I have stated. What I suspect is that you're after an argument, as this is what you do, ask and ask and keep to your original statement is no matter if you're wrong. And I see this going that way as your lying about not accusing me of lying or misleading, but the words are there you can try to change your narrative but the words are there. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible. I don't think I will be alright. I do know that it's possible to hack in to someone's email account and use it to impersonate them asking for help in the form of apple pay cards etc. From what you have said I think you have taken appropriate precautions hence me saying I don't think you have too much to be concerned about " I get you, it is a pain to live like I do but I have gotten used to a limited internet access. But I still do not feel safe. But thank you anyway. | |||
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" I'm assuming you or the man you set the account up for use an apple device hence the warning from them. Amazon web services are down at the moment is that what you're referring to? It has nothing to do with my device, I never use the internet on my phone, I use other devices. It is my email address which I am deleting at this time. And that's would explain why apple warned me and not him as he has no email hence using mine. I'm being a bit dim this afternoon because I'm not clear on what you're saying. I think if it's your email address has been compromised you will be ok. I do not think you have been hacked? Emails are gold as my email may turn up in another hack which could include extra information about me to link to my email. So I have to change it as recommended. Never think you will be alright when others are keeping your/mine information for the cheapest price possible. Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. I would be very careful if you have a notification from Apple saying otherwise, as that is more than likely spam or phishing. on another note, if you use Apple's sign in with Apple authentication on any site you sign up to, your password is never sent to the website, or the retailer. I did not put my experience on here to mislead anyone. But rather to show the flaws of going digital. If you know apple systems then you know what your user name is? I do not click links. Instead I use my app to buy stuff as my bank has to authorise any payments I make, I do not mean Apple Pay I mean my banking app. I wasn't saying you were trying to mislead. The most secure way to use sites requiring a login is to use either Apple or Google sign in and choose a suggested password. If you use Apple, you will also have the option to hide your email address, you still receive emails from the site. Apple provides a random email address to the site and it forwards to your correct email in the background. You can use these services on sites you are already signed up to. I say apple informed me. you replied, Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. But that doesn't mean they didn't tell me as I have stated. What I suspect is that you're after an argument, as this is what you do, ask and ask and keep to your original statement is no matter if you're wrong. And I see this going that way as your lying about not accusing me of lying or misleading, but the words are there you can try to change your narrative but the words are there." I'm really not sure what triggered your response! This is what I said: "Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. I would be very careful if you have a notification from Apple saying otherwise, as that is more than likely spam or phishing". Very strange, for you to rant. | |||
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" Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. " Actually they might. There are databases which store the list of affected emails from big data breaches. In my previous company that cared a lot about security, they had my personal email id and once emailed me when it showed up in a potential data breach. You should check the haveibeenpwned website which was built by a white hat hacker to make this data accessible to the public. | |||
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" Apple wouldn't know if Morrisons had leaked your email address. Actually they might. There are databases which store the list of affected emails from big data breaches. In my previous company that cared a lot about security, they had my personal email id and once emailed me when it showed up in a potential data breach. You should check the haveibeenpwned website which was built by a white hat hacker to make this data accessible to the public. " Fair point in terms of data being held of known credentials on other systems, but Apple’s security alerts don’t come from external databases. They are triggered when someone actually tries to access your Apple ID or log in from an unrecognised device. | |||
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" Fair point in terms of data being held of known credentials on other systems, but Apple’s security alerts don’t come from external databases. They are triggered when someone actually tries to access your Apple ID or log in from an unrecognised device." Apple has something called Passwords, previously called keychain to store credentials you enter and they are cross referenced with external databases and informs you if there is a threat for your credentials | |||
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" Fair point in terms of data being held of known credentials on other systems, but Apple’s security alerts don’t come from external databases. They are triggered when someone actually tries to access your Apple ID or log in from an unrecognised device. Apple has something called Passwords, previously called keychain to store credentials you enter and they are cross referenced with external databases and informs you if there is a threat for your credentials " I’m not disagreeing, they are not databases owned by Apple though and are passwords you would have had compromised. Apple wouldn’t alert a user, the user would find this info in their settings, passwords. | |||
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"You will need to show your ID card before any purchase, check out videos from China, No no ID card for me and I will still pay with cash. You're not planning on changing jobs then?" Work for cash like dinghy divers do, or just eat, delivery | |||
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