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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer " In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! | |||
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"Than Trump Remember this is a guy who said Americans were eating their pets Said he wanted a 1,000 per cent decrease on a brand of drugs sold to Americans During Covid told Americans to drink bleach Now says autism wasn’t around before 1930. And the Amish community have no autism because they don’t take paracetamol Pluto wasn’t discovered before the 1930s but I’m pretty sure it has always fucking been there You big orange knob! " I find it hard to disagree with you. America is screwed. | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer " What's Starmer actually done wrong after pucking up the baton after 14 years of austerity and a nation debt that in the same period grew from .87 trillion to 2 8 trillion | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! " Nothing trump does affects me directly That pathetic joke of a man running the country into the ground does, I’m not talking about immigration as that also currently has no affect on me, elderly relatives loosing their heating allowance does, hiking the council tax does, the thought of possibly being imprisoned for having an opinion does. Imagine being directly responsible keeping the most notorious pedophike ever to walk the planet out of prison yet having a young mother jailed for a deleted post. When anything trump does affects me directly then I’ll have an opinion on him, I try not to worry about anything that doesent affect me directly | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! Nothing trump does affects me directly That pathetic joke of a man running the country into the ground does, I’m not talking about immigration as that also currently has no affect on me, elderly relatives loosing their heating allowance does, hiking the council tax does, the thought of possibly being imprisoned for having an opinion does. Imagine being directly responsible keeping the most notorious pedophike ever to walk the planet out of prison yet having a young mother jailed for a deleted post. When anything trump does affects me directly then I’ll have an opinion on him, I try not to worry about anything that doesent affect me directly " You think *nothing* Trump does affects you directly? 🤯 I mean trade, defence, regulation, net zero/climate change for examples. The UK is part of NATO and the G8 along with the USA. We are directly affected by lots of Trump's decision. Nevermind the "special relationship" between the UK and USA. America sneezes and the world catches a cold. | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! Nothing trump does affects me directly That pathetic joke of a man running the country into the ground does, I’m not talking about immigration as that also currently has no affect on me, elderly relatives loosing their heating allowance does, hiking the council tax does, the thought of possibly being imprisoned for having an opinion does. Imagine being directly responsible keeping the most notorious pedophike ever to walk the planet out of prison yet having a young mother jailed for a deleted post. When anything trump does affects me directly then I’ll have an opinion on him, I try not to worry about anything that doesent affect me directly " Thanks for the point of view that’s not relevant to this post! Starmer didn’t have anything to do directly with Saville must be reading The Scum again! And we were so much better under the millionaires wank jobs of Tory leaders weren’t we! 14 years of austerity doesn’t get wiped away overnight! | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! Nothing trump does affects me directly That pathetic joke of a man running the country into the ground does, I’m not talking about immigration as that also currently has no affect on me, elderly relatives loosing their heating allowance does, hiking the council tax does, the thought of possibly being imprisoned for having an opinion does. Imagine being directly responsible keeping the most notorious pedophike ever to walk the planet out of prison yet having a young mother jailed for a deleted post. When anything trump does affects me directly then I’ll have an opinion on him, I try not to worry about anything that doesent affect me directly " Oh dear. That old bit of BS about Saville again. 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂😂 And the rest pales into insignificance compared to what the previous 14 years contained. Nobody gets jailed for an opinion. | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer " Trump is a pdf how is this even a comparison 😴😴😴😴 | |||
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"I'm so fucking glad I don't live in America right now. This country is bad enough at the minute but I'm thankful every day I'm not living there. " 
The thought of pregnant women avoiding treatment when they've got fever etc, because of his unsubstantiated autism claims, are almost as bad as the Wakefields vaccine fraud  | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! Nothing trump does affects me directly That pathetic joke of a man running the country into the ground does, I’m not talking about immigration as that also currently has no affect on me, elderly relatives loosing their heating allowance does, hiking the council tax does, the thought of possibly being imprisoned for having an opinion does. Imagine being directly responsible keeping the most notorious pedophike ever to walk the planet out of prison yet having a young mother jailed for a deleted post. When anything trump does affects me directly then I’ll have an opinion on him, I try not to worry about anything that doesent affect me directly Thanks for the point of view that’s not relevant to this post! Starmer didn’t have anything to do directly with Saville must be reading The Scum again! And we were so much better under the millionaires wank jobs of Tory leaders weren’t we! 14 years of austerity doesn’t get wiped away overnight! " Well I was better off financially during Tory rule It’s funny how it’s quickly dismissed as bullshit when it’s Starmer yet a photo of trump with Epstein is enough to permanently label him as a nonce I don’t expect it to get wiped away overnight but to be made poorer in the prices isn’t exactly going in the right direction haha Every time Starmer opens his mouth he shows what a massive bellend he is do it is relevant ha | |||
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"For the record I’m not pro Tory I think they are all sub human filth just fact was my food was cheaper, my council tax was a few hundred quid a year cheaper, my elderly mother didn’t have to worry about using her heating as much since she too proud to accept my help ect under Tory rule " Re prices? A quick Google will tell you they were higher under the Tories and due to circumstances beyond any UK governments control. "UK food inflation was approximately 5.4% in 2011 and peaked significantly in March 2023 at 19.1%, its fastest rate in over 40 years, driven by factors including the war in Ukraine, supply chain issues, and labor shortages. After this peak, it declined to around 4.9% in July 2025, but remains a significant concern for consumers due to persistently high food costs." Re Council Tax? There's plenty of reasons for rises in recent years (yours will have inceeased every year like most I suspect) and they're sod all to do with Labour and more to do with the previous government's drastic funding cuts to local authorities. "Council Tax Freeze Grant: From 2011/12 to 2015/16, a council tax freeze grant was offered to local authorities that froze or reduced their council tax bills, according to GOV.UK. Adult Social Care Precept: From 2016/17, local authorities were allowed to increase council tax by an additional amount specifically to fund adult social care services. Funding Gaps: Many councils increased council tax to compensate for cuts in central government funding, which had halved in some cases since 2011, leaving large funding gaps." Re the winter fuel allowance? The extra £300 was only paid for two years and was never meant to be permanent, however anyone earning less than £35k will still get it. I know plenty of non pensioners who earn less than that. But of course. It's all Starmer and Labours fault, right? 🤔 | |||
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"For the record I’m not pro Tory I think they are all sub human filth just fact was my food was cheaper, my council tax was a few hundred quid a year cheaper, my elderly mother didn’t have to worry about using her heating as much since she too proud to accept my help ect under Tory rule Re prices? A quick Google will tell you they were higher under the Tories and due to circumstances beyond any UK governments control. "UK food inflation was approximately 5.4% in 2011 and peaked significantly in March 2023 at 19.1%, its fastest rate in over 40 years, driven by factors including the war in Ukraine, supply chain issues, and labor shortages. After this peak, it declined to around 4.9% in July 2025, but remains a significant concern for consumers due to persistently high food costs." Re Council Tax? There's plenty of reasons for rises in recent years (yours will have inceeased every year like most I suspect) and they're sod all to do with Labour and more to do with the previous government's drastic funding cuts to local authorities. "Council Tax Freeze Grant: From 2011/12 to 2015/16, a council tax freeze grant was offered to local authorities that froze or reduced their council tax bills, according to GOV.UK. Adult Social Care Precept: From 2016/17, local authorities were allowed to increase council tax by an additional amount specifically to fund adult social care services. Funding Gaps: Many councils increased council tax to compensate for cuts in central government funding, which had halved in some cases since 2011, leaving large funding gaps." Re the winter fuel allowance? The extra £300 was only paid for two years and was never meant to be permanent, however anyone earning less than £35k will still get it. I know plenty of non pensioners who earn less than that. But of course. It's all Starmer and Labours fault, right? 🤔" I v was under the impression that the pensioners winter fuel allowance was first brought in back in the late 90s (by a Labour government) ? Yes my council tax rose but never by a few hundred quid in one go. Yes good did shoot up during Tory rule which was annoying and as I said I don’t particularly like them either but overall my food shopping is more now than it was then I know this site will lean heavily towards Labour but I doubt Starmer who’s on his way to being the most hated prime minister ever didn’t get there for no good reason | |||
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"I'm so fucking glad I don't live in America right now. This country is bad enough at the minute but I'm thankful every day I'm not living there.
The thought of pregnant women avoiding treatment when they've got fever etc, because of his unsubstantiated autism claims, are almost as bad as the Wakefields vaccine fraud "why are you worried surley anyone who hates him won't take any notice its likley to be maga who listens to him and let's be honest there are plenty on here who think his supporters are nazis so why would you be concerned about them | |||
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"For the record I’m not pro Tory I think they are all sub human filth just fact was my food was cheaper, my council tax was a few hundred quid a year cheaper, my elderly mother didn’t have to worry about using her heating as much since she too proud to accept my help ect under Tory rule Re prices? A quick Google will tell you they were higher under the Tories and due to circumstances beyond any UK governments control. "UK food inflation was approximately 5.4% in 2011 and peaked significantly in March 2023 at 19.1%, its fastest rate in over 40 years, driven by factors including the war in Ukraine, supply chain issues, and labor shortages. After this peak, it declined to around 4.9% in July 2025, but remains a significant concern for consumers due to persistently high food costs." Re Council Tax? There's plenty of reasons for rises in recent years (yours will have inceeased every year like most I suspect) and they're sod all to do with Labour and more to do with the previous government's drastic funding cuts to local authorities. "Council Tax Freeze Grant: From 2011/12 to 2015/16, a council tax freeze grant was offered to local authorities that froze or reduced their council tax bills, according to GOV.UK. Adult Social Care Precept: From 2016/17, local authorities were allowed to increase council tax by an additional amount specifically to fund adult social care services. Funding Gaps: Many councils increased council tax to compensate for cuts in central government funding, which had halved in some cases since 2011, leaving large funding gaps." Re the winter fuel allowance? The extra £300 was only paid for two years and was never meant to be permanent, however anyone earning less than £35k will still get it. I know plenty of non pensioners who earn less than that. But of course. It's all Starmer and Labours fault, right? 🤔 I v was under the impression that the pensioners winter fuel allowance was first brought in back in the late 90s (by a Labour government) ? Yes my council tax rose but never by a few hundred quid in one go. Yes good did shoot up during Tory rule which was annoying and as I said I don’t particularly like them either but overall my food shopping is more now than it was then I know this site will lean heavily towards Labour but I doubt Starmer who’s on his way to being the most hated prime minister ever didn’t get there for no good reason " A potted history of the winter fuel allowance. "1997: Introduction of the Winter Fuel Payment by then-Chancellor Gordon Brown. The initial payment was £20. 1999/2000: The payment increased to £100 for all households. 2000/01: The amount increased to at least £200 for all households. 2003/04: The payment was further increased, with £200 for those under 80 and £300 for those aged 80 or over. 2008/09 to 2010/11: Additional payments were made to help with costs. 2022/23 & 2023/24: An additional, one-off "Pensioner Cost of Living Payment" of £150 or £300 was provided alongside the standard Winter Fuel Payment. 2024: Eligibility was changed to remove the universal benefit and introduce a means test." So yes, it was introduced by Labour. But the £300 payment everyone is up in arms about was never meant to be permanent. And has been maintained for those that need it. The average Band D rise in the UK last year was £109 a year. Not 'a few hundred'. You agree food shot up during Tory rule. As with most prices, it hasn't gone down since, so logic says overall it will be more now. That's just common sense. But again. It's Starmer and Labours fault? | |||
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"For the record I’m not pro Tory I think they are all sub human filth just fact was my food was cheaper, my council tax was a few hundred quid a year cheaper, my elderly mother didn’t have to worry about using her heating as much since she too proud to accept my help ect under Tory rule Re prices? A quick Google will tell you they were higher under the Tories and due to circumstances beyond any UK governments control. "UK food inflation was approximately 5.4% in 2011 and peaked significantly in March 2023 at 19.1%, its fastest rate in over 40 years, driven by factors including the war in Ukraine, supply chain issues, and labor shortages. After this peak, it declined to around 4.9% in July 2025, but remains a significant concern for consumers due to persistently high food costs." Re Council Tax? There's plenty of reasons for rises in recent years (yours will have inceeased every year like most I suspect) and they're sod all to do with Labour and more to do with the previous government's drastic funding cuts to local authorities. "Council Tax Freeze Grant: From 2011/12 to 2015/16, a council tax freeze grant was offered to local authorities that froze or reduced their council tax bills, according to GOV.UK. Adult Social Care Precept: From 2016/17, local authorities were allowed to increase council tax by an additional amount specifically to fund adult social care services. Funding Gaps: Many councils increased council tax to compensate for cuts in central government funding, which had halved in some cases since 2011, leaving large funding gaps." Re the winter fuel allowance? The extra £300 was only paid for two years and was never meant to be permanent, however anyone earning less than £35k will still get it. I know plenty of non pensioners who earn less than that. But of course. It's all Starmer and Labours fault, right? 🤔 I v was under the impression that the pensioners winter fuel allowance was first brought in back in the late 90s (by a Labour government) ? Yes my council tax rose but never by a few hundred quid in one go. Yes good did shoot up during Tory rule which was annoying and as I said I don’t particularly like them either but overall my food shopping is more now than it was then I know this site will lean heavily towards Labour but I doubt Starmer who’s on his way to being the most hated prime minister ever didn’t get there for no good reason A potted history of the winter fuel allowance. "1997: Introduction of the Winter Fuel Payment by then-Chancellor Gordon Brown. The initial payment was £20. 1999/2000: The payment increased to £100 for all households. 2000/01: The amount increased to at least £200 for all households. 2003/04: The payment was further increased, with £200 for those under 80 and £300 for those aged 80 or over. 2008/09 to 2010/11: Additional payments were made to help with costs. 2022/23 & 2023/24: An additional, one-off "Pensioner Cost of Living Payment" of £150 or £300 was provided alongside the standard Winter Fuel Payment. 2024: Eligibility was changed to remove the universal benefit and introduce a means test." So yes, it was introduced by Labour. But the £300 payment everyone is up in arms about was never meant to be permanent. And has been maintained for those that need it. The average Band D rise in the UK last year was £109 a year. Not 'a few hundred'. You agree food shot up during Tory rule. As with most prices, it hasn't gone down since, so logic says overall it will be more now. That's just common sense. But again. It's Starmer and Labours fault? " So going from £300 a year to fuck all is ok as it had only been £300 for a few years despite it being in place and toughly relevant to energy prices at the time since 97? 200 quid in 2000 got you a lot more gas than than it did in 2024 So now I’m a liar as my council tax went up more than the average? Why am I even wasting my time answering this shit when it’s clear your bias is Labour? the question was is there a bigger cock than trump I answered Starmer how dud it even get to Labour vs Tory ha | |||
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"Than Trump Remember this is a guy who said Americans were eating their pets Said he wanted a 1,000 per cent decrease on a brand of drugs sold to Americans During Covid told Americans to drink bleach Now says autism wasn’t around before 1930. And the Amish community have no autism because they don’t take paracetamol Pluto wasn’t discovered before the 1930s but I’m pretty sure it has always fucking been there You big orange knob! " It’s great that you are sharing your evident medical expertise with the forum. But here is a press release from Harvard about the study at Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health that this latest concern derives from: “When children are exposed to acetaminophen—also known by the brand name Tylenol or as paracetamol—during pregnancy, they may be more likely to develop neurodevelopmental disorders (NDDs) including autism and ADHD, according to a new study. The study was published August 14 in BMC Environmental Health. Andrea Baccarelli, dean of the faculty at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and professor of environmental health, was senior author. The study was led by the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai and also included co-authors from other institutions. The researchers analyzed results from 46 previous studies worldwide that investigated the potential link between prenatal acetaminophen use and subsequent NDDs in children. The researchers used the Navigation Guide Systematic Review methodology—a gold-standard framework for synthesizing and evaluating environmental health data—which enabled them to conduct a rigorous, comprehensive analysis that supported evidence of an association between acetaminophen exposure during pregnancy and increased incidence of NDDs”. | |||
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"For the record I’m not pro Tory I think they are all sub human filth just fact was my food was cheaper, my council tax was a few hundred quid a year cheaper, my elderly mother didn’t have to worry about using her heating as much since she too proud to accept my help ect under Tory rule Re prices? A quick Google will tell you they were higher under the Tories and due to circumstances beyond any UK governments control. "UK food inflation was approximately 5.4% in 2011 and peaked significantly in March 2023 at 19.1%, its fastest rate in over 40 years, driven by factors including the war in Ukraine, supply chain issues, and labor shortages. After this peak, it declined to around 4.9% in July 2025, but remains a significant concern for consumers due to persistently high food costs." Re Council Tax? There's plenty of reasons for rises in recent years (yours will have inceeased every year like most I suspect) and they're sod all to do with Labour and more to do with the previous government's drastic funding cuts to local authorities. "Council Tax Freeze Grant: From 2011/12 to 2015/16, a council tax freeze grant was offered to local authorities that froze or reduced their council tax bills, according to GOV.UK. Adult Social Care Precept: From 2016/17, local authorities were allowed to increase council tax by an additional amount specifically to fund adult social care services. Funding Gaps: Many councils increased council tax to compensate for cuts in central government funding, which had halved in some cases since 2011, leaving large funding gaps." Re the winter fuel allowance? The extra £300 was only paid for two years and was never meant to be permanent, however anyone earning less than £35k will still get it. I know plenty of non pensioners who earn less than that. But of course. It's all Starmer and Labours fault, right? 🤔 I v was under the impression that the pensioners winter fuel allowance was first brought in back in the late 90s (by a Labour government) ? Yes my council tax rose but never by a few hundred quid in one go. Yes good did shoot up during Tory rule which was annoying and as I said I don’t particularly like them either but overall my food shopping is more now than it was then I know this site will lean heavily towards Labour but I doubt Starmer who’s on his way to being the most hated prime minister ever didn’t get there for no good reason A potted history of the winter fuel allowance. "1997: Introduction of the Winter Fuel Payment by then-Chancellor Gordon Brown. The initial payment was £20. 1999/2000: The payment increased to £100 for all households. 2000/01: The amount increased to at least £200 for all households. 2003/04: The payment was further increased, with £200 for those under 80 and £300 for those aged 80 or over. 2008/09 to 2010/11: Additional payments were made to help with costs. 2022/23 & 2023/24: An additional, one-off "Pensioner Cost of Living Payment" of £150 or £300 was provided alongside the standard Winter Fuel Payment. 2024: Eligibility was changed to remove the universal benefit and introduce a means test." So yes, it was introduced by Labour. But the £300 payment everyone is up in arms about was never meant to be permanent. And has been maintained for those that need it. The average Band D rise in the UK last year was £109 a year. Not 'a few hundred'. You agree food shot up during Tory rule. As with most prices, it hasn't gone down since, so logic says overall it will be more now. That's just common sense. But again. It's Starmer and Labours fault? So going from £300 a year to fuck all is ok as it had only been £300 for a few years despite it being in place and toughly relevant to energy prices at the time since 97? 200 quid in 2000 got you a lot more gas than than it did in 2024 So now I’m a liar as my council tax went up more than the average? Why am I even wasting my time answering this shit when it’s clear your bias is Labour? the question was is there a bigger cock than trump I answered Starmer how dud it even get to Labour vs Tory ha" My bias is with false arguments and equivalences. I've just pointed out that none of the things you're angry with can be placed at the feet of Starmer. And no. I've never voted labour in my life. | |||
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"Than Trump Remember this is a guy who said Americans were eating their pets Said he wanted a 1,000 per cent decrease on a brand of drugs sold to Americans During Covid told Americans to drink bleach Now says autism wasn’t around before 1930. And the Amish community have no autism because they don’t take paracetamol Pluto wasn’t discovered before the 1930s but I’m pretty sure it has always fucking been there You big orange knob! It’s great that you are sharing your evident medical expertise with the forum. But here is a press release from Harvard about the study at Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health that this latest concern derives from: “When children are exposed to acetaminophen—also known by the brand name Tylenol or as paracetamol—during pregnancy, they may be more likely to develop neurodevelopmental disorders (NDDs) including autism and ADHD, according to a new study. The study was published August 14 in BMC Environmental Health. Andrea Baccarelli, dean of the faculty at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and professor of environmental health, was senior author. The study was led by the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai and also included co-authors from other institutions. The researchers analyzed results from 46 previous studies worldwide that investigated the potential link between prenatal acetaminophen use and subsequent NDDs in children. The researchers used the Navigation Guide Systematic Review methodology—a gold-standard framework for synthesizing and evaluating environmental health data—which enabled them to conduct a rigorous, comprehensive analysis that supported evidence of an association between acetaminophen exposure during pregnancy and increased incidence of NDDs”." Any chance of putting up the specific part(s) of the report that specifically state with evidence that the ASD in the children was triggered by the Tylenol being took rather than what the Tylenol was being taken for? Cheers | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! Nothing trump does affects me directly That pathetic joke of a man running the country into the ground does, I’m not talking about immigration as that also currently has no affect on me, elderly relatives loosing their heating allowance does, hiking the council tax does, the thought of possibly being imprisoned for having an opinion does. Imagine being directly responsible keeping the most notorious pedophike ever to walk the planet out of prison yet having a young mother jailed for a deleted post. When anything trump does affects me directly then I’ll have an opinion on him, I try not to worry about anything that doesent affect me directly " Sorry bud, but it looks like you've fallen the propaganda machine. | |||
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"Haha he is a micro penis in comparison to Starmer In what way is a convicted felon a misogynistic white suprematistic man associated with Epstein who creates hate encourages violence in comparison to Starmer And please don’t say about immigration! Trumps answer is to build a wall or blow them up! Nothing trump does affects me directly That pathetic joke of a man running the country into the ground does, I’m not talking about immigration as that also currently has no affect on me, elderly relatives loosing their heating allowance does, hiking the council tax does, the thought of possibly being imprisoned for having an opinion does. Imagine being directly responsible keeping the most notorious pedophike ever to walk the planet out of prison yet having a young mother jailed for a deleted post. When anything trump does affects me directly then I’ll have an opinion on him, I try not to worry about anything that doesent affect me directly Sorry bud, but it looks like you've fallen the propaganda machine. " All the people in this thread on the trump hate train and you pick me to say this too haha? | |||
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"Trump derangement syndrome is still going strong...🤣" The cunt won't be talking about golf for a day or two anyway 😂😂😂 | |||
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"I mean, Trump may be on to something regarding Autism. Thinking about the modern day consumption of chemicals through breathing, eating & illegal & legal drug taking (or as the medical fraternity like to refer to them ‘environmental factors’) these could well be factors in it. However, even if so, unless there is an undeniable, direct causal link between A & B, it’s really not the position of the POTUS to use his platform for causing premature panic is it?" I think the real reason he is doing this is, like a lot of other things like announcing tarifs then delaying them or cutting the initial rate etc. Is to manipulate the markets and his friends and family are pre warned and making a fortune. | |||
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"I think the real reason he is doing this is, like a lot of other things like announcing tarifs then delaying them or cutting the initial rate etc. Is to manipulate the markets and his friends and family are pre warned and making a fortune." That won't be the case. It's incredibly easy to track share purchases, and if he did this it would be spotted quite quickly. Given the number of enemies Trump has, if he was manipulating the markets for simple gains, it would be all over the papers by now. | |||
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"That won't be the case. It's incredibly easy to track share purchases, and if he did this it would be spotted quite quickly. Given the number of enemies Trump has, if he was manipulating the markets for simple gains, it would be all over the papers by now." I thought disclosure was only required if you owned at least 5% of a company. Also are the names of those involved in currency and bond exchanges made public? | |||
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"That won't be the case. It's incredibly easy to track share purchases, and if he did this it would be spotted quite quickly. Given the number of enemies Trump has, if he was manipulating the markets for simple gains, it would be all over the papers by now." "I thought disclosure was only required if you owned at least 5% of a company. Also are the names of those involved in currency and bond exchanges made public?" The is no publicly available data, but the SEC have quite wide ranging powers. Plus anyone in the finance department of the company will have access to the list of shareholders. And of course anyone in a political office has to declare any such share movements. | |||
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"The is no publicly available data, but the SEC have quite wide ranging powers. Plus anyone in the finance department of the company will have access to the list of shareholders. And of course anyone in a political office has to declare any such share movements." But the previous poster was making the point that Trump might be passing information to family and friends who could make money from knowing what he might do in the future. Such benefits would be legal and undetectable by the media. | |||
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"The is no publicly available data, but the SEC have quite wide ranging powers. Plus anyone in the finance department of the company will have access to the list of shareholders. And of course anyone in a political office has to declare any such share movements." "But the previous poster was making the point that Trump might be passing information to family and friends who could make money from knowing what he might do in the future." But as I've said, those share transactions would be visible to anyone in the finance side of the companies involved, as well as people in the brokerage company. Do you really think that no one has taken a look to see if there's any dirt to be dug up? "Such benefits would be legal and undetectable by the media." That would not be legal. If Trump is telling people in advance what's about to be announced, and they are then making purchase decisions based on that, that's clear inside dealing. Lots of people are in jail for doing exactly that. | |||
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"The is no publicly available data, but the SEC have quite wide ranging powers. Plus anyone in the finance department of the company will have access to the list of shareholders. And of course anyone in a political office has to declare any such share movements. But the previous poster was making the point that Trump might be passing information to family and friends who could make money from knowing what he might do in the future. But as I've said, those share transactions would be visible to anyone in the finance side of the companies involved, as well as people in the brokerage company. Do you really think that no one has taken a look to see if there's any dirt to be dug up? Such benefits would be legal and undetectable by the media. That would not be legal. If Trump is telling people in advance what's about to be announced, and they are then making purchase decisions based on that, that's clear inside dealing. Lots of people are in jail for doing exactly that. " As I said I think the SEC rules only apply to people with shareholdings above 5% and there's no duty of disclosure on currency and bonds. Plus without any proof of what Trump said in private how could any of it be classified as insider dealing? Even if it was proven he told people I still don't think there are limitations on POTUS discussing plans with "trusted advisers". It would look bad but I don't think it would be illegal. | |||
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"It would look bad but I don't think it would be illegal." If you have inside knowledge, and you use it to make dealing decisions, then you are insider dealing. The SEC don't have to prove what was said to whom, they've made lots of prosecutions based on the time a decision was minuted to have been made, and the time someone made a purchase or sale. If those times are too close, too often, then a jury will find people guilty. | |||
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"An “insider” is an officer, director, 10% stockholder and anyone who possesses inside information because of his or her relationship with the Company or with an officer, director or principal stockholder of the Company. Rule 10b-5’s application goes considerably beyond just officers, directors and principal stockholders. This rule also covers any employee who has obtained material non-public corporate information, as well as any person who has received a “tip” from an Insider of the Company concerning information about the Company that is material and nonpublic, and trades (i.e. purchase or sells) the Company’s stock or other securities. This policy also applies to your family members who reside with you, anyone else who lives in your household, and family members who do not live in your household but whose securities transactions are directed by you or are subject to your influence or control, as well as trusts or other entities for which you make investment decisions." I don't see how this could apply to Trump making macro-economic decisions. | |||
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"I looked up the SEC rules... An “insider” is an officer, director, 10% stockholder and anyone who possesses inside information because of his or her relationship with the Company or with an officer, director or principal stockholder of the Company. Rule 10b-5’s application goes considerably beyond just officers, directors and principal stockholders. This rule also covers any employee who has obtained material non-public corporate information, as well as any person who has received a “tip” from an Insider of the Company concerning information about the Company that is material and nonpublic, and trades (i.e. purchase or sells) the Company’s stock or other securities. This policy also applies to your family members who reside with you, anyone else who lives in your household, and family members who do not live in your household but whose securities transactions are directed by you or are subject to your influence or control, as well as trusts or other entities for which you make investment decisions. I don't see how this could apply to Trump making macro-economic decisions. " You seen to be desperately casting around to find an angle to show that you weren't wrong. The post that started this was talking about Trump making a speech against Tylenol. That's not a macro-economic decision. | |||
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"You seen to be desperately casting around to find an angle to show that you weren't wrong. The post that started this was talking about Trump making a speech against Tylenol. That's not a macro-economic decision." No, I'm responding to the discussion where one poster wrote... "I think the real reason he is doing this is, like a lot of other things like announcing tarifs then delaying them or cutting the initial rate etc. Is to manipulate the markets and his friends and family are pre warned and making a fortune." To which you answered... "That won't be the case. It's incredibly easy to track share purchases, and if he did this it would be spotted quite quickly. Given the number of enemies Trump has, if he was manipulating the markets for simple gains, it would be all over the papers by now." I agree that not all of the potential market manipulation is macro-economic but chopping and changing tariff policy certainly is. | |||
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"You seen to be desperately casting around to find an angle to show that you weren't wrong. The post that started this was talking about Trump making a speech against Tylenol. That's not a macro-economic decision." "No, I'm responding to the discussion where one poster wrote... "I think the real reason ..." Yes, and that poster was responding to a discussion about Trump and Tylenol. "I agree that not all of the potential market manipulation is macro-economic but chopping and changing tariff policy certainly is." If Trump announced a tariff on copper, and it was noticed that one of his family had recently bought copper futures, that would be a red flag for an investigation. Insider dealing on macro-economic decisions. | |||
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"If Trump announced a tariff on copper, and it was noticed that one of his family had recently bought copper futures, that would be a red flag for an investigation. Insider dealing on macro-economic decisions." Could you explain how, because as far as I understand the SEC rules they wouldn't be considered insiders. | |||
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