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By *otMe66 OP   Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma

I watched a BBC clip showing what appeared to be a Hellcat missile fired at an orb in Yemen the missile seemed to bounce off, with the orb continuing to fly away after being hit. The video was evidence at a Congressional hearing on "unidentified anomalous phenomena".

After some digging around I have found out the US government setup a task force in 2022 to investigate UFO / UAP sightings and recordings, their purpose is to deliver government transparency to the US public. It seems pilots and other military have been reporting more sightings that they can't explain which has increased the interest.

All very sci-fi, however it has left me with more questions than answers..

Why would the US government need a task force to be transparent, surely any information held by the US military would be in their domain and understood? Secondly, it brings into question US military capabilities in terms of tracking and identification. If these objects are military hardware from other nations, how have they become so far advanced.

Something is not adding up, either US military hardware and identification capabilities are wildly inaccurate and they are firing live missiles at something they can't identify, or there is smoke and mirrors being used by the US government to argue away something that has inadvertently been seen, such as new military tech.

Is the US military working outside of government control or is Washington playing cover up on. a global stage?

Something a little different in the politics section

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

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By *arry and MegsCouple
34 weeks ago

Ipswich


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered."

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?"

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world.

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By *I TwoCouple
34 weeks ago

near enough


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world."

It's spent in defence that's it.

The best defence is what your enemy don't know you have.

Putting it in YouTube kinda defeats the object of spending all those billions in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world.

It's spent in defence that's it.

The best defence is what your enemy don't know you have.

Putting it in YouTube kinda defeats the object of spending all those billions in the first place "

What?

"The best defence is what the enemy don't you have"

Laughable if you consider nuclear weapons, which we know what countries have, and it is the fact that we know they have such weapons, which makes it a deterrent.

So no keeping things secret is not a good look especially when billions of mine and your money is unaccountable for.

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By *I TwoCouple
34 weeks ago

near enough


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world.

It's spent in defence that's it.

The best defence is what your enemy don't know you have.

Putting it in YouTube kinda defeats the object of spending all those billions in the first place

What?

"The best defence is what the enemy don't you have"

Laughable if you consider nuclear weapons, which we know what countries have, and it is the fact that we know they have such weapons, which makes it a deterrent.

So no keeping things secret is not a good look especially when billions of mine and your money is unaccountable for."

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world.

It's spent in defence that's it.

The best defence is what your enemy don't know you have.

Putting it in YouTube kinda defeats the object of spending all those billions in the first place

What?

"The best defence is what the enemy don't you have"

Laughable if you consider nuclear weapons, which we know what countries have, and it is the fact that we know they have such weapons, which makes it a deterrent.

So no keeping things secret is not a good look especially when billions of mine and your money is unaccountable for.

Lol"

There we go.

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By *ellhungvweMan
34 weeks ago

Cheltenham

Back to OPs original point:

Is there life outside of Earth in the universe? Almost certainly. It’s just too big for that not to be the case.

Have they visited earth/are they here now? Highly unlikely. The universe is just too big for them to have found us.

Are there natural phenomena on this planet that we do not yet understand ? 100%

Is it likely that when we see one of these phenomena we think it is an alien invasion? Probably

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
34 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world.

It's spent in defence that's it.

The best defence is what your enemy don't know you have.

Putting it in YouTube kinda defeats the object of spending all those billions in the first place "

This..

There has to be trust that those I power will use the resources to protect the nation..

Regardless of what crack pot conspiracy theories are about..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
34 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world.

It's spent in defence that's it.

The best defence is what your enemy don't know you have.

Putting it in YouTube kinda defeats the object of spending all those billions in the first place

What?

"The best defence is what the enemy don't you have"

Laughable if you consider nuclear weapons, which we know what countries have, and it is the fact that we know they have such weapons, which makes it a deterrent.

So no keeping things secret is not a good look especially when billions of mine and your money is unaccountable for."

Said no government ever since the year dot..

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By *I TwoCouple
34 weeks ago

near enough


"Look up "Project Blue Book".

A report that started the conspiracy of "The Men in Black."

Also The Lockheed Martin SR71 nicknamed "The Black Bird" plane watchers said there was a new plane the US government said there was no such thing.

But later the US government had to admit there was such a plane.

So nothing a government says is believable to me there will always be questions to ask and to be answered.

Why would they publicise a "secret" weapon or defense system ?

There is a thing called accountability, when billions are spent of tax payers money, some tax payers want to know where their money is going.

At the time billions were being spent on the space race, mean while billions were being spent on a secret plane.

American people were unhappy about the billions being spent as these billions were not spent on them.

Forcing the US government to reveal the Lockheed Martin SR71 to the world.

It's spent in defence that's it.

The best defence is what your enemy don't know you have.

Putting it in YouTube kinda defeats the object of spending all those billions in the first place

What?

"The best defence is what the enemy don't you have"

Laughable if you consider nuclear weapons, which we know what countries have, and it is the fact that we know they have such weapons, which makes it a deterrent.

So no keeping things secret is not a good look especially when billions of mine and your money is unaccountable for."

Silly response, as you correctly stated, nuclear arms are a deterrent, not a defense mechanism.

You develop defense mechanisms for weapons your enemy possesses, if they know what your deterrent is then it helps them start figuring out a workaround and those billions were wasted.

And yes they probably have weapons we don't know about

Defence is definitely not for sharing keep that for milk tray

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By *CExeCouple
34 weeks ago

Hong-Kong/Exeter

I'm relatively new to the politics section, but I'm pretty sure this isn't how it works.....

The orb was an asylum seeker coming to claim our benefits and take our jobs. The damned Tories stripped the country to the bones so we have no way of defending ourselves from space gammon......Farage has the answer, but he's not ready to reveal it yet.....

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By *ennineTopMan
34 weeks ago

York

The video shows some target being hit by a Hellfire missle but the hit is a glancing blow as the missile survives and continues to travel albeit it at a modified angle.

The target is knocked off course and several bits of debris are visible before the target disappears from view off the bottom of the screen.

Then a different video is shown that's said to be a zoomed out view of the same target continuing to travel but there's no footage linking this to what happened after the target dropped of the bottom of the screen in the first video.

What's the fuss about?

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"The video shows some target being hit by a Hellfire missle but the hit is a glancing blow as the missile survives and continues to travel albeit it at a modified angle.

The target is knocked off course and several bits of debris are visible before the target disappears from view off the bottom of the screen.

Then a different video is shown that's said to be a zoomed out view of the same target continuing to travel but there's no footage linking this to what happened after the target dropped of the bottom of the screen in the first video.

What's the fuss about?

"

As in the OP, if this information is being presented to US congressional hearing as UAP, it brings in to question the capabilities of US military hardware not being able to identify objects, it also adds some strange decision making to fire a Hellcat missile at something they can't identify and finally it start to look like the military and congress are not exactly in line.

Now that could be one elaborate cover up exercise by the US government to throw a veil over new tech or known other state tech that has been seen by others inadvertently. Or the military and their subcontractors are developing tech without government knowledge.

Whatever the answer, something looks off.

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By *ennineTopMan
34 weeks ago

York


"As in the OP, if this information is being presented to US congressional hearing as UAP, it brings in to question the capabilities of US military hardware not being able to identify objects, it also adds some strange decision making to fire a Hellcat missile at something they can't identify and finally it start to look like the military and congress are not exactly in line.

Now that could be one elaborate cover up exercise by the US government to throw a veil over new tech or known other state tech that has been seen by others inadvertently. Or the military and their subcontractors are developing tech without government knowledge.

Whatever the answer, something looks off."

There's no such thing as a Hellcat missile. It's called the Hellfire missile.

I agree it's a bit weird the US shooting missiles at a target they haven't identified in the airspace of a foreign country, but they do seem to like shooting at things.

It seems to me that this might be just a bunch of conspiracy theory driven congressmen looking for something to latch on to. While the military are just keeping schtum for a variety of possible reason none of which involve little green men. Most probably they just don't want to talk about missile impact success rates.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
Forum Mod

34 weeks ago

Central

If you involve the US defence organisation, it's going to be complex and replete with secrecy and obfuscation tactics. The extra hook of a multitude of conspiracy mad enthusiasts and people making money out of them, is a recipe for countless Chinese whispers that will distort what may have contained some truth. The most active conspiracy peddlers are our governments, as it sustains their need for power and control.

The chances of 2 fairly advanced civilizations existing simultaneously seems fairly remote, when you consider the billions of years when they might exist. And not only coexisting but also managing to engage in active travel to get together at the right moment, despite the vast distances between planets, seems like childlike magical thinking.

We've been around in our current form for c. a quarter of a million years. It's the blink of an eye, just in our galaxy s timeframe. We'll probably not be around for much longer, either. Did a lifeform from somewhere far, far away pop-up at this very moment, who perhaps had a similar evolutionary window of opportunity to do so?

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"As in the OP, if this information is being presented to US congressional hearing as UAP, it brings in to question the capabilities of US military hardware not being able to identify objects, it also adds some strange decision making to fire a Hellcat missile at something they can't identify and finally it start to look like the military and congress are not exactly in line.

Now that could be one elaborate cover up exercise by the US government to throw a veil over new tech or known other state tech that has been seen by others inadvertently. Or the military and their subcontractors are developing tech without government knowledge.

Whatever the answer, something looks off.

There's no such thing as a Hellcat missile. It's called the Hellfire missile.

I agree it's a bit weird the US shooting missiles at a target they haven't identified in the airspace of a foreign country, but they do seem to like shooting at things.

It seems to me that this might be just a bunch of conspiracy theory driven congressmen looking for something to latch on to. While the military are just keeping schtum for a variety of possible reason none of which involve little green men. Most probably they just don't want to talk about missile impact success rates.

"

Well that is a shame, I like the sound of a Hellcat missile, Hellfire is a little to aggressive

The congress task force is so odd, it puts the government and military at odds with one another, or in bed with one another pulling the wool over our eyes. Either way, why show a video of your own military firing their hi tech weapons at something unidentified, and showing the world that they no effect.

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By *ennineTopMan
34 weeks ago

York


"Well that is a shame, I like the sound of a Hellcat missile, Hellfire is a little to aggressive

The congress task force is so odd, it puts the government and military at odds with one another, or in bed with one another pulling the wool over our eyes. Either way, why show a video of your own military firing their hi tech weapons at something unidentified, and showing the world that they no effect."

Congress committees rightfully have a lot of power to extract info from the military, so they sometimes get raw data like this. However, many of these politicians don't exactly have expert level analytical skills. The military will be happy that this is the case.

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By *ennineTopMan
34 weeks ago

York


"The chances of 2 fairly advanced civilizations existing simultaneously seems fairly remote, when you consider the billions of years when they might exist. And not only coexisting but also managing to engage in active travel to get together at the right moment, despite the vast distances between planets, seems like childlike magical thinking.

We've been around in our current form for c. a quarter of a million years. It's the blink of an eye, just in our galaxy s timeframe. We'll probably not be around for much longer, either. Did a lifeform from somewhere far, far away pop-up at this very moment, who perhaps had a similar evolutionary window of opportunity to do so?"

The Fermi Paradox is interesting and becomes more paradoxical the larger the numbers of Earth like planets deemed possible in our universe with modern observations.

We obviously don't expect little green men to be flying in Yemeni airspace but one might expect signals from outer space.

One interesting theory is that the universe is teeming with life but it's virtually all Prokaryotic single-cellular life.

The reason that intelligent life is rare might be down to the extremely low probability of Eukaryotic cells evolving. Life on earth could be something quite special.

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"The chances of 2 fairly advanced civilizations existing simultaneously seems fairly remote, when you consider the billions of years when they might exist. And not only coexisting but also managing to engage in active travel to get together at the right moment, despite the vast distances between planets, seems like childlike magical thinking.

We've been around in our current form for c. a quarter of a million years. It's the blink of an eye, just in our galaxy s timeframe. We'll probably not be around for much longer, either. Did a lifeform from somewhere far, far away pop-up at this very moment, who perhaps had a similar evolutionary window of opportunity to do so?

The Fermi Paradox is interesting and becomes more paradoxical the larger the numbers of Earth like planets deemed possible in our universe with modern observations.

We obviously don't expect little green men to be flying in Yemeni airspace but one might expect signals from outer space.

One interesting theory is that the universe is teeming with life but it's virtually all Prokaryotic single-cellular life.

The reason that intelligent life is rare might be down to the extremely low probability of Eukaryotic cells evolving. Life on earth could be something quite special.

"

Light is our limiting factor we can’t see further back than about 13.8 billion years. In theory, if intelligent life did broadcast signals, we should be able to pick them up if they are broadcast within our realms of understanding, but our time on Earth is just a blink of an eye compared with the age of the universe. Life could have risen and fallen billions of years ago, leaving no trace we could ever detect.

Was it flying over Yemen, I hope not, I want the wow factor and billions of years of knowledge, not an orb that can deflect a missile.

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By *ennineTopMan
34 weeks ago

York

The thing about the window of opportunity to receive signals is that if there are a very large number of sources spread relatively evenly throughout space then one would expect to be able to receive some of them.

Signals from near by might only take a few years to arrive while those emitted billions of years ago from planets billions of light years away would also arrive about now. And everything inbetween.

So the Fermi Paradox stands. Which is why the idea of a "great filter" comes in. This filter may be that civilizations are very rare and only last a very short time or as I said it might be down to the very low probability of something like Eukaryotic cells evolving.

Another idea is that other civilizations might not emit electromagnetic signals but this is problematic given our current understanding of physics.

I guess it's possible that very distant signals might be too weak to detect because they would dissolve into the noise floor. Something I should research to get a better understanding of.

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By *otMe66 OP   Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"The thing about the window of opportunity to receive signals is that if there are a very large number of sources spread relatively evenly throughout space then one would expect to be able to receive some of them.

Signals from near by might only take a few years to arrive while those emitted billions of years ago from planets billions of light years away would also arrive about now. And everything inbetween.

So the Fermi Paradox stands. Which is why the idea of a "great filter" comes in. This filter may be that civilizations are very rare and only last a very short time or as I said it might be down to the very low probability of something like Eukaryotic cells evolving.

Another idea is that other civilizations might not emit electromagnetic signals but this is problematic given our current understanding of physics.

I guess it's possible that very distant signals might be too weak to detect because they would dissolve into the noise floor. Something I should research to get a better understanding of."

If you want a scientist that mixes science with possibility, a rare breed, Michio Kaku.

His idea of traveling through space is rather inventive.

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By *ennineTopMan
34 weeks ago

York


"If you want a scientist that mixes science with possibility, a rare breed, Michio Kaku.

His idea of traveling through space is rather inventive."

Yeah, I'm something of a fan of Kaku. He's a charismatic promoter of science, big in String Theory and also something of an environmentalist.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
34 weeks ago

Colchester

Has anyone considered that it might be a false flag operation by the US Military (or a Defence Subcontractor) against their own government ?

Why ? Funding of course.

What better way to demonstrate your equipment inadequacies than with a little ruse, perhaps ?

And if it was such a plan, I bet the conversation ended with something like "...and even if it wasn't little green men, and of terrestrial origin instead, someone's got something we can't touch, so if you'd be kind to add many 0's to the next tranche of funding, that'd be lovely, thank you."

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