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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy " Truer than you think. While there certainly was plenty of telling remainers to just shut up and accept the economic self-harm, had it gone the other way it's likely the substantial majority of leave voters would have lost interest in the issue and moved onto the next thing they don't really understand but are angry about anyway. Gotta sell them tabloids. | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Truer than you think. While there certainly was plenty of telling remainers to just shut up and accept the economic self-harm, had it gone the other way it's likely the substantial majority of leave voters would have lost interest in the issue and moved onto the next thing they don't really understand but are angry about anyway. Gotta sell them tabloids." I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. But I wouldn’t have been all over the internet attempting to shout everyone who voted to remain. | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Truer than you think. While there certainly was plenty of telling remainers to just shut up and accept the economic self-harm, had it gone the other way it's likely the substantial majority of leave voters would have lost interest in the issue and moved onto the next thing they don't really understand but are angry about anyway. Gotta sell them tabloids." Maybe if we just didn’t allow people who don’t understand something to vote, that would solve the issues we have. So all we have to decide now is who gets to decide who’s allowed a vote. Nigel Fararge or Jeremy Corbyn? | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. " That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy " Quick correction, everyone would have won if we'd have stayed in the EU. With the exception of disaster capitalists, and people who wanted to continue to avoid paying taxes. | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Truer than you think. While there certainly was plenty of telling remainers to just shut up and accept the economic self-harm, had it gone the other way it's likely the substantial majority of leave voters would have lost interest in the issue and moved onto the next thing they don't really understand but are angry about anyway. Gotta sell them tabloids. I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. But I wouldn’t have been all over the internet attempting to shout everyone who voted to remain." Would you still have supported Farage if he'd have spent time representing his constituents instead of working all his other jobs? | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Truer than you think. While there certainly was plenty of telling remainers to just shut up and accept the economic self-harm, had it gone the other way it's likely the substantial majority of leave voters would have lost interest in the issue and moved onto the next thing they don't really understand but are angry about anyway. Gotta sell them tabloids. Maybe if we just didn’t allow people who don’t understand something to vote, that would solve the issues we have. " Or maybe we don't hold stupid referenda in a vain attempt to appease the hard-right. | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Quick correction, everyone would have won if we'd have stayed in the EU. With the exception of disaster capitalists, and people who wanted to continue to avoid paying taxes." Some even by your own definition your post is incorrect. | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Quick correction, everyone would have won if we'd have stayed in the EU. With the exception of disaster capitalists, and people who wanted to continue to avoid paying taxes. Some even by your own definition your post is incorrect. " ? | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism?" I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage 
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it? | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it? " | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Quick correction, everyone would have won if we'd have stayed in the EU. With the exception of disaster capitalists, and people who wanted to continue to avoid paying taxes. Some even by your own definition your post is incorrect. ?" You said in your opinion everyone would have won and then went on to list those who wouldn’t have won in your opinion. No not everyone. | |||
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"You missed the biggest benefit of Brexit mate….. the never ending debate on Brexit. Could never have had that it we had voted to remain. The brexiters would have been told in no uncertain terms that they had their vote and lost so just shut up and accept it. That democracy Quick correction, everyone would have won if we'd have stayed in the EU. With the exception of disaster capitalists, and people who wanted to continue to avoid paying taxes. Some even by your own definition your post is incorrect. ? You said in your opinion everyone would have won and then went on to list those who wouldn’t have won in your opinion. No not everyone. " Oh I see you missed the words "With the exception of". Sorted. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it? "No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit. I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not. As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be. But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever. | |||
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" Or maybe we don't hold stupid referenda in a vain attempt to appease the hard-right" Same answer. Who gets to decide what is stupid and what isn’t? Diane Abbott or Robert Jenrick? Are you against them on principle? Here’s something to think about. We voted Brexit in a referendum but we also voted to join the common market back in the 70s in a referendum. What if we never had that referendum and never joined? Not all European countries have chosen to join. Just playing devils advocate here | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever."You appear to agree more than not. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever.
You appear to agree more than not."You appear to not understand nuance or sarcasm. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism?" they should introduce a like button for replies like these | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever.
You appear to agree more than not.
You appear to not understand nuance or sarcasm."Irony alert... | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever.
You appear to agree more than not.
You appear to not understand nuance or sarcasm.
Irony alert..."Or irony. | |||
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" Same answer. Who gets to decide what is stupid and what isn’t? " You see? Now there's a good question. | |||
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". Or irony." irony is that racists lead demands for an eu membership referendum and won, only to have black passports forced on them | |||
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". Or irony. irony is that racists lead demands for an eu membership referendum and won, only to have black passports forced on them "😂 I'm stealing that. | |||
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". Or irony. irony is that racists lead demands for an eu membership referendum and won, only to have black passports forced on them
😂 I'm stealing that."true story guy  | |||
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"Having seen the absolute dross posted about how bad BREXIT has been for the UK, I decided to explain the good it has done. I’m sure I won’t have to explain further, because Remoaners are far too clever to not understand. 1. Sovereignty & Regulatory Independence The UK now crafts its own laws without being subject to EU oversight. This includes a bespoke Subsidy Control Regime and more flexible regulation tailored to domestic priorities. Streamlined rules for businesses—particularly SMEs—are being introduced to reduce bureaucracy and make operations easier. 2. Budget Freedom The UK no longer pays EU membership contributions, avoiding costs such as the €1.1 billion plastic packaging levy in 2021 and avoiding shared liabilities from pandemic-era EU debt. 3. Trade Strategy & Global Agreements Freed from the EU’s common commercial policy, the UK has pursued a broader trade strategy, signing agreements with 73 countries and joining the CPTPP trade bloc. While most of these are rollover deals, they establish a foundation for deeper future diversification. 4. Exports & Services Despite challenging predictions, the UK’s export performance remains strong: Exports totalled £870 billion in a 12-month period up to November 2023. Service exports to the EU hit record £169 billion, up from £126 billion in 2018. The UK remains the world’s second-largest exporter of financial services, after the US. Overall economic growth outpaced peers like Germany, France, Italy, and Japan between Q4 2019 and Q3 2023, and the IMF projects the UK to be the fastest-growing G7 economy between 2024–28. 5. Innovation & Research Engagement After a temporary exclusion, the UK rejoined the EU’s Horizon Europe programme and secured €735 million (£635 million) in grants in 2024 alone—ranking fifth overall and leading in Marie Sklodowska-Curie Actions. 6. Fisheries & Agriculture A fisheries access deal has delivered around £175 million in quota uplift for fishers in 2025, plus reduced procedural barriers for exports to the EU. However, new agreements allowing continued access for EU vessels have sparked industry criticism, with concerns over long-term 7. Resilience & Supply Chain Shifts Many businesses have pivoted to UK-based suppliers, improving resilience to global supply shocks. Around three-quarters of firms reported sourcing needed goods domestically without disruption. 8. Foreign Investment & Tech Sector Growth The UK has the largest FDI stock in Europe, surpassing Germany, France, and Italy combined. The tech sector’s value reached $1.1 trillion in 2023, and the UK leads Europe in venture capital, with £21 billion invested. 9. Renewed UK–EU Relationships Recent agreements with the EU have begun softening friction: easing food border checks, including agreements on youth mobility and reinstating access to EU defence funding. Pick the bones out of that. There have been some great benefits. There will be even more once we get a Reform UK government. " Not much here for the ordinary person trying to make a living with increased costs for food, services etc. You neglected to say how the India deal won't reap maximum benefit by 2040. Some 15 years away. Alot changes in a short period of time. Most of the countries with trade deals are small economies. The Japanese deal was very disappointing bringing in the equivalent of what it takes to run the Commonwealth office annually. A poor outcome. But the Farage knows how to talk the talk but delivers nothing. People get sucked in very easily. Look at Trump supporters and what they are now facing. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever.
You appear to agree more than not.
You appear to not understand nuance or sarcasm.
Irony alert...
Or irony."You have lost me, explain? | |||
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"A definite positive of Brexit is it has advanced Irish reunification " Also been good for 3sc0rts in Kent. All the business from the trucks in the mega truck carparks. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever."I guess if his constituents think he does a shit job then they can kick him out at the next election. Or do you think that his constituents are morons and we should substitute your opinion for theirs? It’s called democracy. You should look it up. I’m sure there’s a picture book explanation to make it easy to understand as you don’t appear to have grasped it yet. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever.
I guess if his constituents think he does a shit job then they can kick him out at the next election.
Or do you think that his constituents are morons and we should substitute your opinion for theirs?
It’s called democracy.
You should look it up. I’m sure there’s a picture book explanation to make it easy to understand as you don’t appear to have grasped it yet."Yes, I'm aware he's been elected. Took him enough tries. Yes, I believe people who voted for him have something deeply wrong with their way of thinking. And yes, I believe the world would be at least fractionally less bigoted if those people shared my opinions instead of Nigel's. Obviously. Beyond that, not sure what point you're making. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever.
I guess if his constituents think he does a shit job then they can kick him out at the next election.
Or do you think that his constituents are morons and we should substitute your opinion for theirs?
It’s called democracy.
You should look it up. I’m sure there’s a picture book explanation to make it easy to understand as you don’t appear to have grasped it yet.
Yes, I'm aware he's been elected. Took him enough tries.
Yes, I believe people who voted for him have something deeply wrong with their way of thinking. And yes, I believe the world would be at least fractionally less bigoted if those people shared my opinions instead of Nigel's.
Obviously.
Beyond that, not sure what point you're making."Polling suggests that the overwhelming majority of people in the UK think immigration is too high. Do you think that the majority of the people around you are bigots? | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
No, it's wouldn't, because it's horseshit.
I'll give you he's influential. I could name some other influential politicians, and then we could talk about whether their influence is a good thing or not.
As for the rest of it, I mean, in the sense that what he's set out to do us get a lot of attention then yes, he's been very successful. Otherwise he seems to have a piss-poor success rate at doing any actual work or representing any actual constituents, which is what his job is supposed to be.
But bigots love him, so, you know, whatever.
I guess if his constituents think he does a shit job then they can kick him out at the next election.
Or do you think that his constituents are morons and we should substitute your opinion for theirs?
It’s called democracy.
You should look it up. I’m sure there’s a picture book explanation to make it easy to understand as you don’t appear to have grasped it yet.
Yes, I'm aware he's been elected. Took him enough tries.
Yes, I believe people who voted for him have something deeply wrong with their way of thinking. And yes, I believe the world would be at least fractionally less bigoted if those people shared my opinions instead of Nigel's.
Obviously.
Beyond that, not sure what point you're making.
Polling suggests that the overwhelming majority of people in the UK think immigration is too high.
Do you think that the majority of the people around you are bigots?"Try not to get dizzy from all those leaps of logic you're making. | |||
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You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it? "He used to be the most successful English politician that had never been elected to parliament (UK), now he is an MP, he is still successful. People can shout and scream all they like, it doesn’t change the fact that Nigel is en route to be the next Prime Minister. When he does, I expect him to shake things up like we have never seen before… | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
He used to be the most successful English politician that had never been elected to parliament (UK), now he is an MP, he is still successful. People can shout and scream all they like, it doesn’t change the fact that Nigel is en route to be the next Prime Minister. When he does, I expect him to shake things up like we have never seen before…"Yeah, it's true that many people admire disruption for disruption's sake. Many people like to slow down and stare at car crashes, too. But anyone can knock over an ant-farm. It's what the braying racist huckster does afterwards that ought to concern us. | |||
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""Pick the bones out of that. There will be even more once we get a Reform UK government." Hard to pick the bones out of a word salad OP..... Point 1 Just last week Parliament passed the Product Regulation and Metrology Act 2025 which aligns the UK to EU legislation. We now take the rules we used to make. But hey, sovereignty! Point 3 "The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU." "New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact" From the OBR Brexit analysis published July 2025 Point 4 That's wonderful news, however.... "Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU" OBR, July 2025 Point 5. Yay! Fifth! The UK was 3rd prior to Johnson's idiotic decision to leave Horizon. And again as Associate members we do not set the agenda for research, we follow the EU lead. Point 6. Think OP misses a bit from his cut and paste, but anyway fishing is 0.02% of UK GVA and brings around 1.7bn in exports annually. The creative industries such as music, film and gaming bring in £176bn annually (7.1% of GVA) 87% of musicians report financial losses, with average EU tour earnings down 45%. For 59% of UK musicians, touring in the EU is no longer viable. (Musicians Union) The economic and cultural damage is massive, but yay! Fish! Point 9. See point 1 re Product Regulation and Metrology Act. We, sensibly, seek closer alignment to the EU because of the economic and cultural benefits it brings, but the "cost" at the moment is that we are rule takers, not makers. The food industry will rightly celebrate the removal of unnecessary costs imposed due to Brexit. The transport industry will not be happy having spent millions to put in place infrastructure to deal with those same costs. Seems strange for you to be pushing all that wasted expenditure as a "benefit" of Brexit. And there is no agreement yet on youth mobility, just an understanding to work towards it. As an aside the Henley Global passport ranking for the UK has dropped from 3rd in 2016 to 6th in 2025, reflecting our loss in global influence and soft power since Brexit. On your wish for a Reform government - given all the extra costs suffered by businesses and the long term hit to the economy, and the huge loss of soft power and influence across Europe and globally, it begs the question why? Farage pushed the idea of Brexit and has a fair degree of responsibility for making it happen. It has been a huge mistake. Why would you want to give the person responsible for this even more power?" Someone looking at the world through blue lenses with yellow stars on them. Can I be bothered breaking it all down? Nah, it was too much like hard work just reading it. I’m on from 14.00 - 23.00, then I have to get home. I work hard and my vote is worth just as much as yours. | |||
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You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
He used to be the most successful English politician that had never been elected to parliament (UK), now he is an MP, he is still successful. People can shout and scream all they like, it doesn’t change the fact that Nigel is en route to be the next Prime Minister. When he does, I expect him to shake things up like we have never seen before…
Yeah, it's true that many people admire disruption for disruption's sake. Many people like to slow down and stare at car crashes, too.
But anyone can knock over an ant-farm. It's what the braying racist huckster does afterwards that ought to concern us."Aww bless you! | |||
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" Aww bless you! "You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things? | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
He used to be the most successful English politician that had never been elected to parliament (UK), now he is an MP, he is still successful. People can shout and scream all they like, it doesn’t change the fact that Nigel is en route to be the next Prime Minister. When he does, I expect him to shake things up like we have never seen before…"I would agree he has been successful in achieving what he set out to do and seems to be enjoying success now elected and building his party. I still can't imagine he will win the next GE though. Labour had a big achievement overturning the Tory majority and building a big majority of their own at the last GE. Reform have only a handful of MP's so would be incredible to change that into several hundred MP's. I know the polls suggest that but personally I would guess at an increase in reform MP's to maybe a few dozen. Their big asset seems to be, they grow the more people attack them and their supporter. | |||
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You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?"Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it. We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country. Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then. Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief. | |||
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You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief."Oh, okay. I thought you might have something other than the standard bonehead "I want white neighbours and I don't like sorting my trash" nonsense. | |||
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" Aww bless you!
You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief."I agree Labour will be a one term government and then will be kicked out. The Leftists have shown how utterly useless they are in government. Hopefully this is the last we will see of them for 20-30 years after this shambles. Starmer must realise how hated he is but he will try to cling on. It’s probably 50/50 that some major financial crisis will bring Labour down before 2029, their management of the economy is so dire. | |||
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" Aww bless you!
You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief.
I agree Labour will be a one term government and then will be kicked out.
The Leftists have shown how utterly useless they are in government.
Hopefully this is the last we will see of them for 20-30 years after this shambles.
Starmer must realise how hated he is but he will try to cling on. It’s probably 50/50 that some major financial crisis will bring Labour down before 2029, their management of the economy is so dire."It always makes me giggle a little bit when people refer to Starmer & Co. as "leftists". You've got to be pretty far right to think of Labour as anything other than straddling the centre-line. | |||
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" Aww bless you!
You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief.
Oh, okay. I thought you might have something other than the standard bonehead "I want white neighbours and I don't like sorting my trash" nonsense."What ridiculous accusations are they? I’ve never said anything like that, nor would I. I suggest that you take a break old chap. Seem you can’t handle debating with adults. | |||
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" Aww bless you!
You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief.
I agree Labour will be a one term government and then will be kicked out.
The Leftists have shown how utterly useless they are in government.
Hopefully this is the last we will see of them for 20-30 years after this shambles.
Starmer must realise how hated he is but he will try to cling on. It’s probably 50/50 that some major financial crisis will bring Labour down before 2029, their management of the economy is so dire.
It always makes me giggle a little bit when people refer to Starmer & Co. as "leftists".
You've got to be pretty far right to think of Labour as anything other than straddling the centre-line."It just demonstrates how fringe your opinions are. | |||
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" Aww bless you!
You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief.
Oh, okay. I thought you might have something other than the standard bonehead "I want white neighbours and I don't like sorting my trash" nonsense.
What ridiculous accusations are they? I’ve never said anything like that, nor would I. I suggest that you take a break old chap. Seem you can’t handle debating with adults."Go back and read your post, mate. | |||
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" Aww bless you!
You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief.
I agree Labour will be a one term government and then will be kicked out.
The Leftists have shown how utterly useless they are in government.
Hopefully this is the last we will see of them for 20-30 years after this shambles.
Starmer must realise how hated he is but he will try to cling on. It’s probably 50/50 that some major financial crisis will bring Labour down before 2029, their management of the economy is so dire.
It always makes me giggle a little bit when people refer to Starmer & Co. as "leftists".
You've got to be pretty far right to think of Labour as anything other than straddling the centre-line.
It just demonstrates how fringe your opinions are."Yeah, no it doesn't. | |||
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" Aww bless you!
You too, man. But seriously, beyond "he's popular with a certain type of person", what's the objective appeal? In what way do you expect him to improve things?
Nigel is saying the things the many people have been thinking of saying for many years. I don’t know why so many didn’t say it.
We are sick of kowtowing to the French and Germans. We are very much sick of open door migration policies, this is made worse by the way that undocumented filth coming here to a red carpet welcome by crooked authority types. We don’t want to fund the ludicrous net zero policies of bloody Milliband. We don’t want back door Sharia Law in our country. We don’t want British traditions to be cancelled in order not to offend people who hate us and hate our country.
Nigel understands our fear and anger, and now the whole world can see out anger, which is only going to get worse. We have a prime minister who knows he is on borrowed time. He will hold on to power for dear life, because he can cling on until 2029, he knows he is going to be unceremoniously removed then.
Nigel will be our next prime minister, and I will be out and about down town celebrating a great victory, but also a great relief.
Oh, okay. I thought you might have something other than the standard bonehead "I want white neighbours and I don't like sorting my trash" nonsense.
What ridiculous accusations are they? I’ve never said anything like that, nor would I. I suggest that you take a break old chap. Seem you can’t handle debating with adults.
Go back and read your post, mate."I just did, and there was no mention of white neighbours or not wanting to sort my own rubbish. Thankfully people are now seeing through the sorts of attitudes whereby anyone who disagrees with immigration is ‘racist.’ People have seen such harmful narratives make it impossible, for many years, to stop the grooming gangs in towns and cities around the country. Soon the people parroting this nonsense will find themselves talking in a vacuum, thank god. | |||
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"A definite positive of Brexit is it has advanced Irish reunification Also been good for 3sc0rts in Kent. All the business from the trucks in the mega truck carparks." Know that from experience I take it? | |||
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". I just did, and there was no mention of white neighbours or not wanting to sort my own rubbish. Thankfully people are now seeing through the sorts of attitudes whereby anyone who disagrees with immigration is ‘racist.’ People have seen such harmful narratives make it impossible, for many years, to stop the grooming gangs in towns and cities around the country. Soon the people parroting this nonsense will find themselves talking in a vacuum, thank god." There are two kinds of people who say the things you say: those who are talking the code, and those who don't realise it's a code. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're the latter. On that basis, if you don't want to be thought of as a racist then maybe consider not parroting chapter-and-verse of the racist dog-whistle gospel? Or maybe just take a good old look at your opinions and ask yourself why those are the ones you choose to have. Like, really. Deep down. | |||
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"I have a nice new *invoke Boris Johnson voice* “blue” passport "Is that all? Not even an oversized 'UK' car sticker designed with the main intention of rubbing Europe's nose in it? | |||
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"In relation to asylum seekers, under the EU we could deport them relatively quickly due to a combination of factors, including legal frameworks like the Dublin Regulation and the EU Pact on Migration and Asylum ..." The Dublin Agreement didn't allow us to return asylum seekers in general. It only covered those people that had previously applied in another EU country, and been denied. We never sent back more than 2500 people in a year, and in every year it was in force we received more people under the scheme that we sent back. The EU Pact on Migration and Asylum only came into force last year, long after Brexit happened, and it only applies in the Schengen area, which we were never a part of. | |||
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". I just did, and there was no mention of white neighbours or not wanting to sort my own rubbish. Thankfully people are now seeing through the sorts of attitudes whereby anyone who disagrees with immigration is ‘racist.’ People have seen such harmful narratives make it impossible, for many years, to stop the grooming gangs in towns and cities around the country. Soon the people parroting this nonsense will find themselves talking in a vacuum, thank god. There are two kinds of people who say the things you say: those who are talking the code, and those who don't realise it's a code. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're the latter. On that basis, if you don't want to be thought of as a racist then maybe consider not parroting chapter-and-verse of the racist dog-whistle gospel? Or maybe just take a good old look at your opinions and ask yourself why those are the ones you choose to have. Like, really. Deep down." You are giving me the benefit of the doubt, seriously? You should know that I don’t care, and whatever crap accusation you make, I will see it as a sign that I’m doing the right thing. I’m an ideologue, and I’m quite happy with my political viewpoint. It’s as simple as that, call me what you want, as long as it’s not late for my tea! | |||
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"In relation to asylum seekers, under the EU we could deport them relatively quickly due to a combination of factors, including legal frameworks like the Dublin Regulation and the EU Pact on Migration and Asylum ... The Dublin Agreement didn't allow us to return asylum seekers in general. It only covered those people that had previously applied in another EU country, and been denied. We never sent back more than 2500 people in a year, and in every year it was in force we received more people under the scheme that we sent back. The EU Pact on Migration and Asylum only came into force last year, long after Brexit happened, and it only applies in the Schengen area, which we were never a part of." According to the Migration Observatory, when the UK participated in the Dublin system, the number of asylum seekers wereceived was typically less than 1,000 per year, with a peak of around 1,200 in 2018. From 2016 onwards, the UK switched from being a net sender of asylum seekers to other EU countries, to receiving more people under Dublin than it transferred out. I guess the point is that if we were still in the EU, the schemes would do no harm as they would help speed up the process and reduce costs. Ultimately, the world is on the move. Much of it man made. Some of it from decisions taken by the west. War. Persecution. Famine. Floods. Extreme heat. The reasons are many and varied. The sooner we move to a grown-up system where each country agrees to accept a fair number of refugees, the better, as it will allow us to plan. But I don’t hold out any hope of this happening and leaving the EU made it less likely. | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
He used to be the most successful English politician that had never been elected to parliament (UK), now he is an MP, he is still successful. People can shout and scream all they like, it doesn’t change the fact that Nigel is en route to be the next Prime Minister. When he does, I expect him to shake things up like we have never seen before…"When you say "shake things up like we have never seen before", do you mean even more neoliberalism, and funnelling more money and power from British people to those at the top? | |||
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". I just did, and there was no mention of white neighbours or not wanting to sort my own rubbish. Thankfully people are now seeing through the sorts of attitudes whereby anyone who disagrees with immigration is ‘racist.’ People have seen such harmful narratives make it impossible, for many years, to stop the grooming gangs in towns and cities around the country. Soon the people parroting this nonsense will find themselves talking in a vacuum, thank god. There are two kinds of people who say the things you say: those who are talking the code, and those who don't realise it's a code. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're the latter. On that basis, if you don't want to be thought of as a racist then maybe consider not parroting chapter-and-verse of the racist dog-whistle gospel? Or maybe just take a good old look at your opinions and ask yourself why those are the ones you choose to have. Like, really. Deep down. You are giving me the benefit of the doubt, seriously? You should know that I don’t care, and whatever crap accusation you make, I will see it as a sign that I’m doing the right thing. I’m an ideologue, and I’m quite happy with my political viewpoint. It’s as simple as that, call me what you want, as long as it’s not late for my tea!" In fairness, you have a history. I remember you complaining that there are too many non-British people in British cities. When I showed you the stats to prove your figures were bullshit, it turned out that you meant there are too many non-white people in British cities like Leicester. | |||
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". I just did, and there was no mention of white neighbours or not wanting to sort my own rubbish. Thankfully people are now seeing through the sorts of attitudes whereby anyone who disagrees with immigration is ‘racist.’ People have seen such harmful narratives make it impossible, for many years, to stop the grooming gangs in towns and cities around the country. Soon the people parroting this nonsense will find themselves talking in a vacuum, thank god. There are two kinds of people who say the things you say: those who are talking the code, and those who don't realise it's a code. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're the latter. On that basis, if you don't want to be thought of as a racist then maybe consider not parroting chapter-and-verse of the racist dog-whistle gospel? Or maybe just take a good old look at your opinions and ask yourself why those are the ones you choose to have. Like, really. Deep down. You are giving me the benefit of the doubt, seriously? You should know that I don’t care, and whatever crap accusation you make, I will see it as a sign that I’m doing the right thing. I’m an ideologue, and I’m quite happy with my political viewpoint. It’s as simple as that, call me what you want, as long as it’s not late for my tea!" Doing the right thing, like admiring a racist, airing your suspicion of immigrants, rehearsing tired racist conspiracy nonsense about Sharia Law... The climate scepticism is just the bonus card. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc. Just do me a favour and stop whining when people point it out. | |||
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". I just did, and there was no mention of white neighbours or not wanting to sort my own rubbish. Thankfully people are now seeing through the sorts of attitudes whereby anyone who disagrees with immigration is ‘racist.’ People have seen such harmful narratives make it impossible, for many years, to stop the grooming gangs in towns and cities around the country. Soon the people parroting this nonsense will find themselves talking in a vacuum, thank god. There are two kinds of people who say the things you say: those who are talking the code, and those who don't realise it's a code. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're the latter. On that basis, if you don't want to be thought of as a racist then maybe consider not parroting chapter-and-verse of the racist dog-whistle gospel? Or maybe just take a good old look at your opinions and ask yourself why those are the ones you choose to have. Like, really. Deep down. You are giving me the benefit of the doubt, seriously? You should know that I don’t care, and whatever crap accusation you make, I will see it as a sign that I’m doing the right thing. I’m an ideologue, and I’m quite happy with my political viewpoint. It’s as simple as that, call me what you want, as long as it’s not late for my tea! In fairness, you have a history. I remember you complaining that there are too many non-British people in British cities. When I showed you the stats to prove your figures were bullshit, it turned out that you meant there are too many non-white people in British cities like Leicester." I simply pointed out the well known fact, that places like Leicester are, and have been for some time, majority non white. If you don’t believe this, then prove me wrong. | |||
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". I simply pointed out the well known fact, that places like Leicester are, and have been for some time, majority non white. If you don’t believe this, then prove me wrong. People never "simply point out" the racial makeup of whatever place or region. When people bring it up, they're making a point, and anyone with a brain knows what their point is. The point is very simple, majority non white, means more non white than white! There is no hidden meaning, it’s just a statement of fact." And....this is a problem? | |||
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". I simply pointed out the well known fact, that places like Leicester are, and have been for some time, majority non white. If you don’t believe this, then prove me wrong. People never "simply point out" the racial makeup of whatever place or region. When people bring it up, they're making a point, and anyone with a brain knows what their point is. The point is very simple, majority non white, means more non white than white! There is no hidden meaning, it’s just a statement of fact. And....this is a problem?" What are you expecting me to say now, that non whites are a problem. Yay! No I’m not going to say that. Some are, but not all, as are white people. We are being outnumbered, but if you are in favour of losing our national identity, then good for you. | |||
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". I simply pointed out the well known fact, that places like Leicester are, and have been for some time, majority non white. If you don’t believe this, then prove me wrong. People never "simply point out" the racial makeup of whatever place or region. When people bring it up, they're making a point, and anyone with a brain knows what their point is. The point is very simple, majority non white, means more non white than white! There is no hidden meaning, it’s just a statement of fact. And....this is a problem? What are you expecting me to say now, that non whites are a problem. Yay! No I’m not going to say that. Some are, but not all, as are white people. We are being outnumbered, but if you are in favour of losing our national identity, then good for you." How is skin colour our national identity? Isn't it values? Democracy rule of law? | |||
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". I simply pointed out the well known fact, that places like Leicester are, and have been for some time, majority non white. If you don’t believe this, then prove me wrong. People never "simply point out" the racial makeup of whatever place or region. When people bring it up, they're making a point, and anyone with a brain knows what their point is. The point is very simple, majority non white, means more non white than white! There is no hidden meaning, it’s just a statement of fact. And....this is a problem? What are you expecting me to say now, that non whites are a problem. Yay! No I’m not going to say that. Some are, but not all, as are white people. We are being outnumbered, but if you are in favour of losing our national identity, then good for you." what national identity do you think that you are losing exactly? | |||
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"Oh dear, here comes the heavy mob. You are wasting your time. Asking me to answer questions that must already know the answers to yourselves. I could go on the defensive and get myself banned. Nah, I’ll just carry on like I am. Tootles! " so you don't know what national identity is being lost then .... do you even have a national identity of any sort? | |||
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"Oh dear, here comes the heavy mob. You are wasting your time. Asking me to answer questions that must already know the answers to yourselves. I could go on the defensive and get myself banned. Nah, I’ll just carry on like I am. Tootles! so you don't know what national identity is being lost then .... do you even have a national identity of any sort?" White is right by the sounds of it | |||
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"Oh dear, here comes the heavy mob. You are wasting your time. Asking me to answer questions that must already know the answers to yourselves. I could go on the defensive and get myself banned. Nah, I’ll just carry on like I am. Tootles! So you know that your thoughts said out loud get you banned....what does that say exactly? Time to reflect?" Come on now, let's not ask too much of the man. | |||
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"Oh dear, here comes the heavy mob. You are wasting your time. Asking me to answer questions that must already know the answers to yourselves. I could go on the defensive and get myself banned. Nah, I’ll just carry on like I am. Tootles! So you know that your thoughts said out loud get you banned....what does that say exactly? Time to reflect?" Nah, not even close. | |||
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"Queuing longer to get your passport stamped. Don’t we all love queue?" Finally a British identity | |||
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"Oh dear, here comes the heavy mob. You are wasting your time. Asking me to answer questions that must already know the answers to yourselves. I could go on the defensive and get myself banned. Nah, I’ll just carry on like I am. Tootles! So you know that your thoughts said out loud get you banned....what does that say exactly? Time to reflect? Nah, not even close." As long as you admit it. | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports " Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France...... 
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders "But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit? You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters. | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters."Do I? Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra??? | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???"Imagine if we had a Reform government. Growth would be at 40% a year. | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???
Imagine if we had a Reform government.
Growth would be at 40% a year."Top lols!! Current models show he's even more economically illiterate than Liz Truss! But hey, here he is, never said people arriving by boats was illegal wanking over a reform government! Good on you! Not sure baby turquoise suits but hey! Would gays still be legal under Reform? Do they stop minority hate at Muslims and browns? Or when they've done that and the economy is shit because we have very few people, we turn to blacks, Africans first, obvs then windrush descendants??? And then the trans? Or have they come before? Lastly the gays? Because the thing about that sort of politics is.....they don't just hate one minority | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???
Imagine if we had a Reform government.
Growth would be at 40% a year.
Top lols!!
Current models show he's even more economically illiterate than Liz Truss!
But hey, here he is, never said people arriving by boats was illegal wanking over a reform government!
Good on you!
Not sure baby turquoise suits but hey!
Would gays still be legal under Reform?
Do they stop minority hate at Muslims and browns?
Or when they've done that and the economy is shit because we have very few people, we turn to blacks, Africans first, obvs then windrush descendants???
And then the trans? Or have they come before?
Lastly the gays?
Because the thing about that sort of politics is.....they don't just hate one minority "So much hate in a post. 😮 Seriously, you’re gonna bust an artery, take a breath and calm down lad. When the Muslims are in the majority and Sharia law is the law of the land, there will be plenty of room for a scaremongering post about gays and trans being at risk. | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???
Imagine if we had a Reform government.
Growth would be at 40% a year.
Top lols!!
Current models show he's even more economically illiterate than Liz Truss!
But hey, here he is, never said people arriving by boats was illegal wanking over a reform government!
Good on you!
Not sure baby turquoise suits but hey!
Would gays still be legal under Reform?
Do they stop minority hate at Muslims and browns?
Or when they've done that and the economy is shit because we have very few people, we turn to blacks, Africans first, obvs then windrush descendants???
And then the trans? Or have they come before?
Lastly the gays?
Because the thing about that sort of politics is.....they don't just hate one minority "And you accuse everyone else of discriminatory comments? You have a problem | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???
Imagine if we had a Reform government.
Growth would be at 40% a year.
Top lols!!
Current models show he's even more economically illiterate than Liz Truss!
But hey, here he is, never said people arriving by boats was illegal wanking over a reform government!
Good on you!
Not sure baby turquoise suits but hey!
Would gays still be legal under Reform?
Do they stop minority hate at Muslims and browns?
Or when they've done that and the economy is shit because we have very few people, we turn to blacks, Africans first, obvs then windrush descendants???
And then the trans? Or have they come before?
Lastly the gays?
Because the thing about that sort of politics is.....they don't just hate one minority
So much hate in a post. 😮 Seriously, you’re gonna bust an artery, take a breath and calm down lad.
When the Muslims are in the majority and Sharia law is the law of the land, there will be plenty of room for a scaremongering post about gays and trans being at risk. "Hate you say, did I hear hate??? Pot Kettle Black | |||
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???
Imagine if we had a Reform government.
Growth would be at 40% a year.
Top lols!!
Current models show he's even more economically illiterate than Liz Truss!
But hey, here he is, never said people arriving by boats was illegal wanking over a reform government!
Good on you!
Not sure baby turquoise suits but hey!
Would gays still be legal under Reform?
Do they stop minority hate at Muslims and browns?
Or when they've done that and the economy is shit because we have very few people, we turn to blacks, Africans first, obvs then windrush descendants???
And then the trans? Or have they come before?
Lastly the gays?
Because the thing about that sort of politics is.....they don't just hate one minority
And you accuse everyone else of discriminatory comments? You have a problem "Touched a nerve have I sir Is lefties can be provocative too Not just Racist Nigel | |||
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Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???
Imagine if we had a Reform government.
Growth would be at 40% a year.
Top lols!!
Current models show he's even more economically illiterate than Liz Truss!
But hey, here he is, never said people arriving by boats was illegal wanking over a reform government!
Good on you!
Not sure baby turquoise suits but hey!
Would gays still be legal under Reform?
Do they stop minority hate at Muslims and browns?
Or when they've done that and the economy is shit because we have very few people, we turn to blacks, Africans first, obvs then windrush descendants???
And then the trans? Or have they come before?
Lastly the gays?
Because the thing about that sort of politics is.....they don't just hate one minority
And you accuse everyone else of discriminatory comments? You have a problem
Touched a nerve have I sir
Is lefties can be provocative too
Not just
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"Real life experience today. I am importing a pallet of metal components from UK to IE. What an absolute pain in the hole, the value of the order is £4500 and for the UK supplier is a reasonably big order. The order is duty paid. However, add on two days for customs agent to do the paperwork, plus cost of administration, it's just not worth the stress. Talking with them, a small family firm, based near Blackburn, they cannot see their business surviving, customers like me, walking away for this reason. Sending pallets of metal components to Chili or Malaysia isn't as simple as sending it four hours over the Irish sea, even if the paperwork is easy. Anyway, you got your black passports Blue!!!!!!! Blue passports!!!! Made in France......
Sorry for your experience and the mentality of these little ingerlanders
But isn’t the UK storming ahead under Brexit?
You keep telling us Brexit Britain is going gangbusters.
Do I?
Imagine what it would be like if we had that extra???
Imagine if we had a Reform government.
Growth would be at 40% a year.
Top lols!!
Current models show he's even more economically illiterate than Liz Truss!
But hey, here he is, never said people arriving by boats was illegal wanking over a reform government!
Good on you!
Not sure baby turquoise suits but hey!
Would gays still be legal under Reform?
Do they stop minority hate at Muslims and browns?
Or when they've done that and the economy is shit because we have very few people, we turn to blacks, Africans first, obvs then windrush descendants???
And then the trans? Or have they come before?
Lastly the gays?
Because the thing about that sort of politics is.....they don't just hate one minority
And you accuse everyone else of discriminatory comments? You have a problem
Touched a nerve have I sir
Is lefties can be provocative too
Not just
Racist Nigel
Not at all, I merely question how a bigoted opinion should be unchallenged. Unless you have evidence of racism by this Nigel fellow, you leave yourself open to accusations of libel"Daily mail called him racist for saying that Romanians commited crime and could be nothing like his German wife | |||
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". I just did, and there was no mention of white neighbours or not wanting to sort my own rubbish. Thankfully people are now seeing through the sorts of attitudes whereby anyone who disagrees with immigration is ‘racist.’ People have seen such harmful narratives make it impossible, for many years, to stop the grooming gangs in towns and cities around the country. Soon the people parroting this nonsense will find themselves talking in a vacuum, thank god. There are two kinds of people who say the things you say: those who are talking the code, and those who don't realise it's a code. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're the latter. On that basis, if you don't want to be thought of as a racist then maybe consider not parroting chapter-and-verse of the racist dog-whistle gospel? Or maybe just take a good old look at your opinions and ask yourself why those are the ones you choose to have. Like, really. Deep down. You are giving me the benefit of the doubt, seriously? You should know that I don’t care, and whatever crap accusation you make, I will see it as a sign that I’m doing the right thing. I’m an ideologue, and I’m quite happy with my political viewpoint. It’s as simple as that, call me what you want, as long as it’s not late for my tea! In fairness, you have a history. I remember you complaining that there are too many non-British people in British cities. When I showed you the stats to prove your figures were bullshit, it turned out that you meant there are too many non-white people in British cities like Leicester. I simply pointed out the well known fact, that places like Leicester are, and have been for some time, majority non white. If you don’t believe this, then prove me wrong. " No, you simply said you didn't like it and that it was a problem. Unlike others on here who dance around it. Your abhorrent bigotry is front and centre. | |||
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" No, you simply said you didn't like it and that it was a problem. Unlike others on here who dance around it. Your abhorrent bigotry is front and centre. " I suppose there is a degree of comfort to be had in that racists feel they have to play innuendo bingo and constantly deny their racism, because they still feel despite everything that they can't come right out and say the horrible shit they think. Hence their obsession with "free speech". It's not that they believe they're actually being censored, they just can't stand the cognitive dissonance of knowing the things they really want to say are completely unacceptable in any kind of civilised society. | |||
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"Still the same old claptrap being peddled by the same old lefties and liberals, who to this day are still sore losers, otherwise known as remoaners." So what only leftists and liberals aren't racist? What a stupid premise. " Everyone who disagrees with them are ‘racist,’ and because they can’t prove that, they constantly change the narrative. " Nonsense. Nothing to do with "disagreeing", the word gets used for people who say they don't like non-white people in British cities. " I don’t care what imbalances might accuse me of, my reasons for voting leave, and for supporting Brexit and Reform UK, were and still are both valid and relevant. " They're utter nonsense. But yeah. " This thread will be too long soon, and will be closed down. So for those reading who can no longer reply. Best of luck British luck to you. " Vote reform if you don't like people who aren't white. | |||
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"So now I’m racist because I (don’t like non whites in our cities)? Never mind the fact that I didn’t actually say that. I did point out that in many cities they outnumber us, but I never actually said that I don’t like them. But crack on, I’m sure you’ll find a way to twist my words." Then why's it an issue? Come to City Road mate, join in some shisha, learn about the Afghanistan community, the Syrian community, the Lebanese community, the Yemeni community and the oldest Somali community in Britain. We can go to a few r&b night clubs, go see where Shirl was brought up, where mace the grate was raised. It's beautiful, I'll take you to the Islamic centre meet the Imams. | |||
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""Pick the bones out of that. There will be even more once we get a Reform UK government." Hard to pick the bones out of a word salad OP..... Point 1 Just last week Parliament passed the Product Regulation and Metrology Act 2025 which aligns the UK to EU legislation. We now take the rules we used to make. But hey, sovereignty! Point 3 "The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU." "New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact" From the OBR Brexit analysis published July 2025 Point 4 That's wonderful news, however.... "Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU" OBR, July 2025 Point 5. Yay! Fifth! The UK was 3rd prior to Johnson's idiotic decision to leave Horizon. And again as Associate members we do not set the agenda for research, we follow the EU lead. Point 6. Think OP misses a bit from his cut and paste, but anyway fishing is 0.02% of UK GVA and brings around 1.7bn in exports annually. The creative industries such as music, film and gaming bring in £176bn annually (7.1% of GVA) 87% of musicians report financial losses, with average EU tour earnings down 45%. For 59% of UK musicians, touring in the EU is no longer viable. (Musicians Union) The economic and cultural damage is massive, but yay! Fish! Point 9. See point 1 re Product Regulation and Metrology Act. We, sensibly, seek closer alignment to the EU because of the economic and cultural benefits it brings, but the "cost" at the moment is that we are rule takers, not makers. The food industry will rightly celebrate the removal of unnecessary costs imposed due to Brexit. The transport industry will not be happy having spent millions to put in place infrastructure to deal with those same costs. Seems strange for you to be pushing all that wasted expenditure as a "benefit" of Brexit. And there is no agreement yet on youth mobility, just an understanding to work towards it. As an aside the Henley Global passport ranking for the UK has dropped from 3rd in 2016 to 6th in 2025, reflecting our loss in global influence and soft power since Brexit. On your wish for a Reform government - given all the extra costs suffered by businesses and the long term hit to the economy, and the huge loss of soft power and influence across Europe and globally, it begs the question why? Farage pushed the idea of Brexit and has a fair degree of responsibility for making it happen. It has been a huge mistake. Why would you want to give the person responsible for this even more power?" Yes, but, we took back control of our borders, didn't we?? | |||
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". I only dreamed of winning the referendum, and was working the nightshift that night, 22.30 - 6.30. When I found out we had done it I had to pinch myself. Had we lost I would have been so disappointed, would have still supported Nigel Farage, in whatever he decided to do. That's a tragic little tale. What is it about Farage that attracts you the most? His grifting? His laziness? His hypocrisy? Or is it just the banality of his nudge-wink-know-what-I-mean racism? I like the way you present such a balanced view of Farage
You could have leaned into the fact he is has been the most influential politician in the last 20 years or more.
He has been successful in delivering what he has set out to do, which is a far cry from other political leaders.
He has a strategist mindset that out manoeuvres his rivals at every turn.
But the above wouldn't be playing the tune you want to hear would it?
He used to be the most successful English politician that had never been elected to parliament (UK), now he is an MP, he is still successful. People can shout and scream all they like, it doesn’t change the fact that Nigel is en route to be the next Prime Minister. When he does, I expect him to shake things up like we have never seen before…"Comedy gold is this post | |||
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"So now I’m racist because I (don’t like non whites in our cities)? Never mind the fact that I didn’t actually say that. I did point out that in many cities they outnumber us, but I never actually said that I don’t like them. But crack on, I’m sure you’ll find a way to twist my words. Then why's it an issue? Come to City Road mate, join in some shisha, learn about the Afghanistan community, the Syrian community, the Lebanese community, the Yemeni community and the oldest Somali community in Britain. We can go to a few r&b night clubs, go see where Shirl was brought up, where mace the grate was raised. It's beautiful, I'll take you to the Islamic centre meet the Imams. Yeah thanks, but I’ll give that a swerve." Now there's a surprise. | |||
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"Even funnier is they want to put in charge of our country the man who wanted this shit show !!! The mind boggles " ..and we had the man who pretended he wanted it, just so he could achieve his leadership ambition, in charge. Oh, wait. Isn't the next hopeful up to the same tricks as well? | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage." Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have?" Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. " Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.  | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies. "What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement. We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it... | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it..."So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us? Amazing | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that. "I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit. But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale."What have you lost, lets start there. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
What have you lost, lets start there.
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit?" One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries. | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries." But it doesn’t have to be. The other countries can do whatever they want. Free movement was part of EU membership but can still apply to countries outside the EU if they so choose. They choose not too. They allow millions of people without any ID free movement across the EU so maybe the answer is to dispose of your passport and just say you’re heading to Afghanistan | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries." I touched on this further up. We could negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it. The fact we haven’t is not a limitation of Brexit, it’s a failure of our previous 2 governments political focus. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
What have you lost, lets start there.
I don't understand how this question is related to the discussion. Can you explain?
You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit?"I lost in the same way everyone (except disaster capitalists and tax avoiders) by being outside of the EU. I answered there, though I fail to see how this is related to the Brexit benefits being a huge bag of bullshit. | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries. I touched on this further up. We could negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it. The fact we haven’t is not a limitation of Brexit, it’s a failure of our previous 2 governments political focus." Why would the UK do that? Even when in the EU, the UK wasn't in Schengen. | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries. I touched on this further up. We could negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it. The fact we haven’t is not a limitation of Brexit, it’s a failure of our previous 2 governments political focus. Why would the UK do that? Even when in the EU, the UK wasn't in Schengen." I'm not suggesting they do this, I'm saying they can if they wanted to and focused on it. We have clear control over our interaction with the EU and what we want to negotiate. Not doing so is not a problem of Brexit it is a problem with the governments inaction. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
What have you lost, lets start there.
I don't understand how this question is related to the discussion. Can you explain?
You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit?
I lost in the same way everyone (except disaster capitalists and tax avoiders) by being outside of the EU.
I answered there, though I fail to see how this is related to the Brexit benefits being a huge bag of bullshit."You are avoiding the answer of what have you lost, that you can't do now. Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits. | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries. I touched on this further up. We could negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it. The fact we haven’t is not a limitation of Brexit, it’s a failure of our previous 2 governments political focus. Why would the UK do that? Even when in the EU, the UK wasn't in Schengen. I'm not suggesting they do this, I'm saying they can if they wanted to and focused on it. We have clear control over our interaction with the EU and what we want to negotiate. Not doing so is not a problem of Brexit it is a problem with the governments inaction. " I would argue you have less control; whilst in the EU, the UK was able to get conditions other MSs couldn't get; rebate, free from Euro, free from Schengen, for example. If the UK wants better conditions from the EU, the EU can ask for whatever it wants, which would probably include difficult items for the UK to consider, like Schengen, Elgin Marbles, Gibraltar, Cyprus, you name it; it wouldn't be difficult due to the UK government, it would be difficult due to Brexit removing the UK from EU benefits & wanting them back Euro membership could be fudged like in Sweden, Poland, Denmark | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries. I touched on this further up. We could negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it. The fact we haven’t is not a limitation of Brexit, it’s a failure of our previous 2 governments political focus. Why would the UK do that? Even when in the EU, the UK wasn't in Schengen. I'm not suggesting they do this, I'm saying they can if they wanted to and focused on it. We have clear control over our interaction with the EU and what we want to negotiate. Not doing so is not a problem of Brexit it is a problem with the governments inaction. I would argue you have less control; whilst in the EU, the UK was able to get conditions other MSs couldn't get; rebate, free from Euro, free from Schengen, for example. If the UK wants better conditions from the EU, the EU can ask for whatever it wants, which would probably include difficult items for the UK to consider, like Schengen, Elgin Marbles, Gibraltar, Cyprus, you name it; it wouldn't be difficult due to the UK government, it would be difficult due to Brexit removing the UK from EU benefits & wanting them back Euro membership could be fudged like in Sweden, Poland, Denmark " The opt outs we had in the EU haven’t changed. Other countries like Denmark and Norway already have tailored deals today as you mention, so it’s not breaking new ground. Negotiation based on what worked well for those countries and what didn’t should work in our favour. The real issue is that without a government willing to drive this politically, we’ll just keep treading water. That is not a Brexit issue, it is a government focus issue. | |||
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"If my eldest grandson wanted to study in Paris or Berlin and the whole family wanted to move too then somehow I don't think us all throwing away our passports would be a viable option." Oh I don’t know. Millions have arrived in EU members states without a passport and been given the same rights as their own citizens. So you could become an EU passport holder fairly easily. | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries. I touched on this further up. We could negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it. The fact we haven’t is not a limitation of Brexit, it’s a failure of our previous 2 governments political focus. Why would the UK do that? Even when in the EU, the UK wasn't in Schengen. I'm not suggesting they do this, I'm saying they can if they wanted to and focused on it. We have clear control over our interaction with the EU and what we want to negotiate. Not doing so is not a problem of Brexit it is a problem with the governments inaction. I would argue you have less control; whilst in the EU, the UK was able to get conditions other MSs couldn't get; rebate, free from Euro, free from Schengen, for example. If the UK wants better conditions from the EU, the EU can ask for whatever it wants, which would probably include difficult items for the UK to consider, like Schengen, Elgin Marbles, Gibraltar, Cyprus, you name it; it wouldn't be difficult due to the UK government, it would be difficult due to Brexit removing the UK from EU benefits & wanting them back Euro membership could be fudged like in Sweden, Poland, Denmark The opt outs we had in the EU haven’t changed. Other countries like Denmark and Norway already have tailored deals today as you mention, so it’s not breaking new ground. Negotiation based on what worked well for those countries and what didn’t should work in our favour. The real issue is that without a government willing to drive this politically, we’ll just keep treading water. That is not a Brexit issue, it is a government focus issue. " Norway isn't in the EU; it is in the SM but has no role in making SM rules. Denmark has opt outs cause it's been a member since 1973; when the Euro was being discussed in the 90s, 00s, it could opt out as it was at the EU table...the UK is no longer at the EU table, it doesn't have a voice. Why should the UK, as a potential 'new member' of the EU get special treatment for EU rules that current EU MSs follow? That is no going to fly...& judging from previous UK negotiations, I wouldn't bet on a them being able to achieve it. You are now outside the tent, wanting to get in. Brexit put you outside that tent | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
What have you lost, lets start there.
I don't understand how this question is related to the discussion. Can you explain?
You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit?
I lost in the same way everyone (except disaster capitalists and tax avoiders) by being outside of the EU.
I answered there, though I fail to see how this is related to the Brexit benefits being a huge bag of bullshit.
You are avoiding the answer of what have you lost, that you can't do now. Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits."Go on then, feel free to suggest something. | |||
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"Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits." "Go on then, feel free to suggest something." You've had plenty of benefits suggested to you in other threads. Every time you hear one you just say that it doesn't count, or that it's outweighed by the negatives. | |||
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"Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits. Go on then, feel free to suggest something. You've had plenty of benefits suggested to you in other threads. Every time you hear one you just say that it doesn't count, or that it's outweighed by the negatives." To be fair, they only say it because it's true. | |||
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"Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits. Go on then, feel free to suggest something. You've had plenty of benefits suggested to you in other threads. Every time you hear one you just say that it doesn't count, or that it's outweighed by the negatives." We'll all of them can be debunked in minutes. I should say, go on, give us a real benefit can't be debunked in seconds. | |||
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"You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit? One example is that my grandchildren, their parents and I used to be able to move freely in the EU with an automatic right to live, study and work anywhere. That is now conditional on us all meeting immigration critieria set by individual countries. I touched on this further up. We could negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it. The fact we haven’t is not a limitation of Brexit, it’s a failure of our previous 2 governments political focus. Why would the UK do that? Even when in the EU, the UK wasn't in Schengen. I'm not suggesting they do this, I'm saying they can if they wanted to and focused on it. We have clear control over our interaction with the EU and what we want to negotiate. Not doing so is not a problem of Brexit it is a problem with the governments inaction. I would argue you have less control; whilst in the EU, the UK was able to get conditions other MSs couldn't get; rebate, free from Euro, free from Schengen, for example. If the UK wants better conditions from the EU, the EU can ask for whatever it wants, which would probably include difficult items for the UK to consider, like Schengen, Elgin Marbles, Gibraltar, Cyprus, you name it; it wouldn't be difficult due to the UK government, it would be difficult due to Brexit removing the UK from EU benefits & wanting them back Euro membership could be fudged like in Sweden, Poland, Denmark The opt outs we had in the EU haven’t changed. Other countries like Denmark and Norway already have tailored deals today as you mention, so it’s not breaking new ground. Negotiation based on what worked well for those countries and what didn’t should work in our favour. The real issue is that without a government willing to drive this politically, we’ll just keep treading water. That is not a Brexit issue, it is a government focus issue. Norway isn't in the EU; it is in the SM but has no role in making SM rules. Denmark has opt outs cause it's been a member since 1973; when the Euro was being discussed in the 90s, 00s, it could opt out as it was at the EU table...the UK is no longer at the EU table, it doesn't have a voice. Why should the UK, as a potential 'new member' of the EU get special treatment for EU rules that current EU MSs follow? That is no going to fly...& judging from previous UK negotiations, I wouldn't bet on a them being able to achieve it. You are now outside the tent, wanting to get in. Brexit put you outside that tent" I think you are missing the point, I'm not talking about rejoining the EU, I'm talking about negotiating with the EU on improvements to relations that could include some of the periphery benefits of the bloc other than trade. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
What have you lost, lets start there.
I don't understand how this question is related to the discussion. Can you explain?
You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit?
I lost in the same way everyone (except disaster capitalists and tax avoiders) by being outside of the EU.
I answered there, though I fail to see how this is related to the Brexit benefits being a huge bag of bullshit.
You are avoiding the answer of what have you lost, that you can't do now. Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits.
Go on then, feel free to suggest something.
"I have given you many suggestions of where benefits can be had, and why they haven't been exploited. Not sure why you are slowly walking backwards on this. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
What have you lost, lets start there.
I don't understand how this question is related to the discussion. Can you explain?
You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit?
I lost in the same way everyone (except disaster capitalists and tax avoiders) by being outside of the EU.
I answered there, though I fail to see how this is related to the Brexit benefits being a huge bag of bullshit.
You are avoiding the answer of what have you lost, that you can't do now. Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits.
Go on then, feel free to suggest something.
I have given you many suggestions of where benefits can be had, and why they haven't been exploited.
Not sure why you are slowly walking backwards on this."I mean none of them made any sense, or weren't tangible or weren't real. Or all three. | |||
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"Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits." "Go on then, feel free to suggest something." "You've had plenty of benefits suggested to you in other threads. Every time you hear one you just say that it doesn't count, or that it's outweighed by the negatives." "To be fair, they only say it because it's true." Not really. When some people are asked about the negatives, they are happy to give a long list of things that are now worse. However they never accept that there are any positives at all, not even the smallest thing. | |||
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"Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits." "Go on then, feel free to suggest something." "You've had plenty of benefits suggested to you in other threads. Every time you hear one you just say that it doesn't count, or that it's outweighed by the negatives." "We'll all of them can be debunked in minutes. I should say, go on, give us a real benefit can't be debunked in seconds." The obvious one is that we no longer have to pay the membership fee. Equally obvious is that you'll just say it doesn't count as it's outweighed by the things we've lost. But the traditional way of evaluating something is to write down a list of pros and cons, then weigh up the balance at the end. Your way of doing it is to pre-assume the balance, and then refuse to put anything in the 'pros' column as it's already been outweighed. | |||
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"sovereignty, flexibility, and control. However we don't seem to have a clue or maybe it is appetite to exploit to our advantage. Having less sovereignty and less control can hardly be much of an advantage. What improved flexibility do we have? Flexibility in trade, regulations, and immigration policy. Joining CPTPP would not have been possible as an EU member, and the we can now set our own regulatory path in areas like AI, biotech, and financial services. The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit, they haven’t had the vision or appetite to use what was gained effectively. Oh I see. You mean being a much smaller entity, having a weaker hand at the table and having to waste years and years renegotiating trade deals that we lost when we left the EU. Fair enough. "The problem with a lack benefits sits with the governments since Brexit" Or there were in fact no actual benefits and it was all a pack of lies.
What have we lost? I can help speed up the answer it will come down to free movement.
We have the opportunity to negotiate arrangements similar to Schengen if the government actually focused on it...
So it's the government's fault for not fixing the thing that Brexit fucked for us?
Amazing
It is the responsibility of the government to govern and improve our opportunities, we as individuals can't do that at a national level.
I'm surprised you said that.
I'll agree that the government has done a shocking job trying to mitigate the problems caused by Brexit.
But years on, no one has been able to articulate any real benefits or positives. I don't understand why people who voted for this aren't pissed off about being lied to on such an epic scale.
What have you lost, lets start there.
I don't understand how this question is related to the discussion. Can you explain?
You are saying that nobody can articulate the benefits of Brexit, that would indicate things must have been lost or have become worse. So what have you lost or has become worse for you because of Brexit?
I lost in the same way everyone (except disaster capitalists and tax avoiders) by being outside of the EU.
I answered there, though I fail to see how this is related to the Brexit benefits being a huge bag of bullshit.
You are avoiding the answer of what have you lost, that you can't do now. Simply saying there are no Brexit benefits, doesn't mean there are no benefits, or there are no opportunities for greater benefits.
Go on then, feel free to suggest something.
I have given you many suggestions of where benefits can be had, and why they haven't been exploited.
Not sure why you are slowly walking backwards on this.
I mean none of them made any sense, or weren't tangible or weren't real. Or all three."Let me try another way of presenting this. Do you think the last 2 governments have done enough to exploit our independent abilities to strike deals? | |||
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