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"48% increase in numbers arriving on small boats Six suicides due to farmers iht bill £100M annual cost over failed pip bill More businesses closing than opening Housing starts 46% lower than 2024 1890 farm closures Q1 2025 " Farm closures?? | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come." And yet the economy has kept growing | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing " Lets talk about that in October. | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October." Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!!" I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it." But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact? | |||
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"What’s been achieved?" Still trying to sort out the mess left by Boris and brexit | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact?" Much of that growth came from public sector wage settlements and heavy borrowing, neither of which have delivered any real return. The picture won’t be clear until those temporary boosts fade. The underlying structural issues rising debt and the consequences of manipulating fiscal rules also haven’t surfaced fully yet. But they’re likely to come into sharper focus in Q4, along with the economic impact of those short term boosts above. | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact? Much of that growth came from public sector wage settlements and heavy borrowing, neither of which have delivered any real return. The picture won’t be clear until those temporary boosts fade. The underlying structural issues rising debt and the consequences of manipulating fiscal rules also haven’t surfaced fully yet. But they’re likely to come into sharper focus in Q4, along with the economic impact of those short term boosts above." Surely the past 14 years have proved that starving the economy from investment doesn't work only leads to crumbling infrastructure and poorer living standards. Investing in public infrastructure is a good thing you know for the public not your darling millionaires | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact? Much of that growth came from public sector wage settlements and heavy borrowing, neither of which have delivered any real return. The picture won’t be clear until those temporary boosts fade. The underlying structural issues rising debt and the consequences of manipulating fiscal rules also haven’t surfaced fully yet. But they’re likely to come into sharper focus in Q4, along with the economic impact of those short term boosts above. Surely the past 14 years have proved that starving the economy from investment doesn't work only leads to crumbling infrastructure and poorer living standards. Investing in public infrastructure is a good thing you know for the public not your darling millionaires " You’re telling me a lot about your view of the situation, but not much about what’s actually playing out. This is exactly why I suggested we wait until October, when we will be dealing with the real outcomes, not assumptions, promises, or political slogans. Let’s pick it up then and look at the actuals, not the narrative that has been pumped out. | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact? Much of that growth came from public sector wage settlements and heavy borrowing, neither of which have delivered any real return. The picture won’t be clear until those temporary boosts fade. The underlying structural issues rising debt and the consequences of manipulating fiscal rules also haven’t surfaced fully yet. But they’re likely to come into sharper focus in Q4, along with the economic impact of those short term boosts above. Surely the past 14 years have proved that starving the economy from investment doesn't work only leads to crumbling infrastructure and poorer living standards. Investing in public infrastructure is a good thing you know for the public not your darling millionaires You’re telling me a lot about your view of the situation, but not much about what’s actually playing out. This is exactly why I suggested we wait until October, when we will be dealing with the real outcomes, not assumptions, promises, or political slogans. Let’s pick it up then and look at the actuals, not the narrative that has been pumped out." What's playing out is, NHS waiting lists are coming down. The asylum backlog is coming down, people have autonomy over when they die, women aren't going to be prosecuted over having an abortion, people are safer in the workplace, children will be going less hungry at schools. | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact? Much of that growth came from public sector wage settlements and heavy borrowing, neither of which have delivered any real return. The picture won’t be clear until those temporary boosts fade. The underlying structural issues rising debt and the consequences of manipulating fiscal rules also haven’t surfaced fully yet. But they’re likely to come into sharper focus in Q4, along with the economic impact of those short term boosts above. Surely the past 14 years have proved that starving the economy from investment doesn't work only leads to crumbling infrastructure and poorer living standards. Investing in public infrastructure is a good thing you know for the public not your darling millionaires You’re telling me a lot about your view of the situation, but not much about what’s actually playing out. This is exactly why I suggested we wait until October, when we will be dealing with the real outcomes, not assumptions, promises, or political slogans. Let’s pick it up then and look at the actuals, not the narrative that has been pumped out. What's playing out is, NHS waiting lists are coming down. The asylum backlog is coming down, people have autonomy over when they die, women aren't going to be prosecuted over having an abortion, people are safer in the workplace, children will be going less hungry at schools." You are now muted until Q4  | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact? Much of that growth came from public sector wage settlements and heavy borrowing, neither of which have delivered any real return. The picture won’t be clear until those temporary boosts fade. The underlying structural issues rising debt and the consequences of manipulating fiscal rules also haven’t surfaced fully yet. But they’re likely to come into sharper focus in Q4, along with the economic impact of those short term boosts above. Surely the past 14 years have proved that starving the economy from investment doesn't work only leads to crumbling infrastructure and poorer living standards. Investing in public infrastructure is a good thing you know for the public not your darling millionaires You’re telling me a lot about your view of the situation, but not much about what’s actually playing out. This is exactly why I suggested we wait until October, when we will be dealing with the real outcomes, not assumptions, promises, or political slogans. Let’s pick it up then and look at the actuals, not the narrative that has been pumped out. What's playing out is, NHS waiting lists are coming down. The asylum backlog is coming down, people have autonomy over when they die, women aren't going to be prosecuted over having an abortion, people are safer in the workplace, children will be going less hungry at schools. You are now muted until Q4 "The markets like Reeves the opposite of lettuce Liz | |||
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"What’s been achieved?" not much, I would give them a 3/10 could do better mark | |||
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"What’s been achieved? not much, I would give them a 3/10 could do better mark " Out of interest what is the 3 for? | |||
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"What’s been achieved? not much, I would give them a 3/10 could do better mark Out of interest what is the 3 for? " Free school meals Better workers rights People having the autonomy to choose when to die Off the top of my head | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) " Coogan sits on the hard left, Labour was never going to satisfy him. If Labour adopted the kind of policies that would win his vote, they would lose the country in the process. The public has consistently rejected that political position at the ballot box. Starmer and Labour know this and appealed to the centre which is what they need to do to win an election, however this has rattled the hard left who are getting more and more vocal, you can see the same soundbites and dog whistles being used and picking up momentum. They will try to remove him, and if they succeed they will almost certainly lose the next election and possibly force an early one. | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Coogan sits on the hard left, Labour was never going to satisfy him. If Labour adopted the kind of policies that would win his vote, they would lose the country in the process. The public has consistently rejected that political position at the ballot box. Starmer and Labour know this and appealed to the centre which is what they need to do to win an election, however this has rattled the hard left who are getting more and more vocal, you can see the same soundbites and dog whistles being used and picking up momentum. They will try to remove him, and if they succeed they will almost certainly lose the next election and possibly force an early one." Coogan hard left 😭😭😭 Or just a decent person that sees humanity | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) " You sure it's the guardian? Just gone to find it to read and all I can find is 5 year old articles from him on the guardian app? | |||
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"What’s been achieved? not much, I would give them a 3/10 could do better mark Out of interest what is the 3 for? Free school meals Better workers rights People having the autonomy to choose when to die Off the top of my head " the workers rights has not been achieved its been watered down & has still not fully gone through parliament, what will be left is not worth having | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) You sure it's the guardian? Just gone to find it to read and all I can find is 5 year old articles from him on the guardian app?" Try the Independent or Telegraph. | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) You sure it's the guardian? Just gone to find it to read and all I can find is 5 year old articles from him on the guardian app?" Found it it's Josh Halliday interviewing Coogan 👍👍 | |||
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"What’s been achieved? not much, I would give them a 3/10 could do better mark Out of interest what is the 3 for? Free school meals Better workers rights People having the autonomy to choose when to die Off the top of my head the workers rights has not been achieved its been watered down & has still not fully gone through parliament, what will be left is not worth having " It's good stuff, she's doing a good job is the red Queen | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) " Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. " Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg " The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since. | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since." It probably was the right thing to do due to the amount of homes and businesses that would have gone under. Furlough was probably the right thing also for the same reasons. But whatnot has done is shown us what the state can do and now we've become dependent on state intervention. Recession seems like a bad thing now rather than the unfortunate consequence of capitalism | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since. It probably was the right thing to do due to the amount of homes and businesses that would have gone under. Furlough was probably the right thing also for the same reasons. But whatnot has done is shown us what the state can do and now we've become dependent on state intervention. Recession seems like a bad thing now rather than the unfortunate consequence of capitalism " “Don’t worry friends, the free market will self correct” And what was Joe Public’s reward whilst the bankers of 2008 were bailed out & largely went unpunished? A decade of Austerity. And these people have the temerity to criticise left wing economic policies? Furlough was different, even I don’t blame the Tories for that one. Meanwhile, in 2025 we have working people using foodbanks. Hurrah for low wages! | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since. It probably was the right thing to do due to the amount of homes and businesses that would have gone under. Furlough was probably the right thing also for the same reasons. But whatnot has done is shown us what the state can do and now we've become dependent on state intervention. Recession seems like a bad thing now rather than the unfortunate consequence of capitalism “Don’t worry friends, the free market will self correct” And what was Joe Public’s reward whilst the bankers of 2008 were bailed out & largely went unpunished? A decade of Austerity. And these people have the temerity to criticise left wing economic policies? Furlough was different, even I don’t blame the Tories for that one. Meanwhile, in 2025 we have working people using foodbanks. Hurrah for low wages! " I see no lies | |||
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"What’s been achieved?" Looking in from the outside, it looks like they are carrying on from 2010. | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Looking in from the outside, it looks like they are carrying on from 2010." Dudley is now not in Britain? | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since. It probably was the right thing to do due to the amount of homes and businesses that would have gone under. Furlough was probably the right thing also for the same reasons. But whatnot has done is shown us what the state can do and now we've become dependent on state intervention. Recession seems like a bad thing now rather than the unfortunate consequence of capitalism “Don’t worry friends, the free market will self correct” And what was Joe Public’s reward whilst the bankers of 2008 were bailed out & largely went unpunished? A decade of Austerity. And these people have the temerity to criticise left wing economic policies? Furlough was different, even I don’t blame the Tories for that one. Meanwhile, in 2025 we have working people using foodbanks. Hurrah for low wages! " Let's just say the banks had been left to go bust, would that have been a good thing ? What effect do you think it might have had on the economy ? How might it have effected your savings ? | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since. It probably was the right thing to do due to the amount of homes and businesses that would have gone under. Furlough was probably the right thing also for the same reasons. But whatnot has done is shown us what the state can do and now we've become dependent on state intervention. Recession seems like a bad thing now rather than the unfortunate consequence of capitalism “Don’t worry friends, the free market will self correct” And what was Joe Public’s reward whilst the bankers of 2008 were bailed out & largely went unpunished? A decade of Austerity. And these people have the temerity to criticise left wing economic policies? Furlough was different, even I don’t blame the Tories for that one. Meanwhile, in 2025 we have working people using foodbanks. Hurrah for low wages! Let's just say the banks had been left to go bust, would that have been a good thing ? What effect do you think it might have had on the economy ? How might it have effected your savings ?" It's what's always happened in recessions. People suffer and rebuild it's an unfortunate side of capitalism. We now have dead wood businesses too big to fail because the politicians are terrified of recession on their watch | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since. It probably was the right thing to do due to the amount of homes and businesses that would have gone under. Furlough was probably the right thing also for the same reasons. But whatnot has done is shown us what the state can do and now we've become dependent on state intervention. Recession seems like a bad thing now rather than the unfortunate consequence of capitalism “Don’t worry friends, the free market will self correct” And what was Joe Public’s reward whilst the bankers of 2008 were bailed out & largely went unpunished? A decade of Austerity. And these people have the temerity to criticise left wing economic policies? Furlough was different, even I don’t blame the Tories for that one. Meanwhile, in 2025 we have working people using foodbanks. Hurrah for low wages! Let's just say the banks had been left to go bust, would that have been a good thing ? What effect do you think it might have had on the economy ? How might it have effected your savings ?" No, it clearly wouldn’t have been a good thing for many people. But then again neither were the consequences of what we ‘had’ to do anyway (and they still aren’t, yet we are seemingly all still held hostage to neoliberal economics, approaching two decades later) | |||
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"Steve Coogan has accused Keir Starmer’s Labour government of a “derogation of all the principles they were supposed to represent” and said they were paving the way for the “racist clowns” of Reform UK (Full article todays guardian) Lot of truth in that article. …& there is plenty of support for left of centre policies out there ready to be harnessed, especially amongst the young. They have a lot of grievances as the system as is isn’t currently working for them. Agree, nothing radical in it, it's true the system is broken. Hence people are looking at reform so why not a new party of the left? Not sure what their going to offer more than the Greens even lib Dems have shifted left from nick clegg The system has been broken since 2008. Neoliberalism should have been dead & buried at that point. But no, we all had to bail it out & for what? Crap growth ever since. It probably was the right thing to do due to the amount of homes and businesses that would have gone under. Furlough was probably the right thing also for the same reasons. But whatnot has done is shown us what the state can do and now we've become dependent on state intervention. Recession seems like a bad thing now rather than the unfortunate consequence of capitalism “Don’t worry friends, the free market will self correct” And what was Joe Public’s reward whilst the bankers of 2008 were bailed out & largely went unpunished? A decade of Austerity. And these people have the temerity to criticise left wing economic policies? Furlough was different, even I don’t blame the Tories for that one. Meanwhile, in 2025 we have working people using foodbanks. Hurrah for low wages! Let's just say the banks had been left to go bust, would that have been a good thing ? What effect do you think it might have had on the economy ? How might it have effected your savings ? No, it clearly wouldn’t have been a good thing for many people. But then again neither were the consequences of what we ‘had’ to do anyway (and they still aren’t, yet we are seemingly all still held hostage to neoliberal economics, approaching two decades later) "  | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing " Yeah and so has Russia's. | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff " We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? | |||
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"Steve Rotheram, the Labour mayor of Liverpool city region, says Downing Street’s repeated missteps were “winding up” people who wanted to back the government. Speaking as the party marked 12 months in government after a stunning election win last summer, during which Starmer campaigned on an agenda of national renewal centred around a message of “change”, Rotherham said people were willing to forgive the occasional miscalculation but that the climbdowns over winter fuel payments and the welfare bill had left Starmer’s operation looking like “a mess”. He said: “What I think has exacerbated this feeling by many, not just politicians but people around the country, who look at this and think it’s a mess. Well, it’s a mess of our own making,” he said." Hard agree | |||
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"We have an 'Iron Chancellor' who not only faked her CV but cries during PMQs. What could possibly go wrong!?" Iron & water, are we going to end up with a rusty chancellor? | |||
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"We have an 'Iron Chancellor' who not only faked her CV but cries during PMQs. What could possibly go wrong!?" Faked her CV? Said she left the BOE in September when it was March? She's actually emerged stronger. The markets went into free fall at the thought of her leaving so they actually do believe her and her odd fiscal rules. Investment to the UK is good, their investing in the right areas it all seems good to me, much better than the last 14 years | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists " You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. " Only 7% of the population can afford to go to private school so by definition they are amongst the wealthiest. I don't asumme anything I said they are more likely, because wealth buys wealth!! If you can afford to put your children into that privileged circle you would. Because you'll know the future journalists, MPs, directors and like it or not the work place is all about connections. Ensuring all children are fed and then attain a certain level of education is surely better the whole of population and especially seeing as they'll be paying for my dotage. But hey, if starving children is your thing | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. Only 7% of the population can afford to go to private school so by definition they are amongst the wealthiest. I don't asumme anything I said they are more likely, because wealth buys wealth!! If you can afford to put your children into that privileged circle you would. Because you'll know the future journalists, MPs, directors and like it or not the work place is all about connections. Ensuring all children are fed and then attain a certain level of education is surely better the whole of population and especially seeing as they'll be paying for my dotage. But hey, if starving children is your thing "A month every year some children are forbidden from eating at school. | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. Only 7% of the population can afford to go to private school so by definition they are amongst the wealthiest. I don't asumme anything I said they are more likely, because wealth buys wealth!! If you can afford to put your children into that privileged circle you would. Because you'll know the future journalists, MPs, directors and like it or not the work place is all about connections. Ensuring all children are fed and then attain a certain level of education is surely better the whole of population and especially seeing as they'll be paying for my dotage. But hey, if starving children is your thing
A month every year some children are forbidden from eating at school."They aren't starved though are they, it's abstination rather then actual starvation. You better hope you don't need an op during that month | |||
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"Large scale debt which is mounting and nothing to show for it. Enormous and unilateral pay rises for public sector workers costing 11billion, signed off and agreed before the impact to the economy was known and budgeted for. Division and debt driven through failure and u-turns, which I expect to see a lot more of. Playing with the fiscal rules, by allowing student loans to be taken off headline debt so it can be borrowed against. This created a 73billion debt with no returns on the 50billion borrowed. Countless sleepless nights for many of the countries most vulnerable people. Scandals that we thought only the tories were capable of, I expect a lot more of that to come. And yet the economy has kept growing Lets talk about that in October. Lols, let's not talk about reality as we have it today.....ok!! I’m not going to debate where the economy is headed until we actually get there. Speculating now would be pointless especially if you’re only willing to acknowledge outcomes once they’re undeniable. Let’s revisit this conversation in Q4 when we can assess the real impact with facts, not assumptions. I’ll look forward to it. But we can talk about Q3 & 4 2024 and Q1 2025 having grown and in Q1 2025 it was the fastest growing economy in the G7 as fact? Much of that growth came from public sector wage settlements and heavy borrowing, neither of which have delivered any real return. The picture won’t be clear until those temporary boosts fade. The underlying structural issues rising debt and the consequences of manipulating fiscal rules also haven’t surfaced fully yet. But they’re likely to come into sharper focus in Q4, along with the economic impact of those short term boosts above. Surely the past 14 years have proved that starving the economy from investment doesn't work only leads to crumbling infrastructure and poorer living standards. Investing in public infrastructure is a good thing you know for the public not your darling millionaires You’re telling me a lot about your view of the situation, but not much about what’s actually playing out. This is exactly why I suggested we wait until October, when we will be dealing with the real outcomes, not assumptions, promises, or political slogans. Let’s pick it up then and look at the actuals, not the narrative that has been pumped out." What exact date and time in October then? | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. Only 7% of the population can afford to go to private school so by definition they are amongst the wealthiest. I don't asumme anything I said they are more likely, because wealth buys wealth!! If you can afford to put your children into that privileged circle you would. Because you'll know the future journalists, MPs, directors and like it or not the work place is all about connections. Ensuring all children are fed and then attain a certain level of education is surely better the whole of population and especially seeing as they'll be paying for my dotage. But hey, if starving children is your thing "Ensuring children are fed is parents responsibility. I just don’t think the taxes from people on minimum wage should be spent on the children of middle class parents earning loads more money. Do you think everyone should get benefits regardless of how much they earn or how much they have in the bank? | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. Only 7% of the population can afford to go to private school so by definition they are amongst the wealthiest. I don't asumme anything I said they are more likely, because wealth buys wealth!! If you can afford to put your children into that privileged circle you would. Because you'll know the future journalists, MPs, directors and like it or not the work place is all about connections. Ensuring all children are fed and then attain a certain level of education is surely better the whole of population and especially seeing as they'll be paying for my dotage. But hey, if starving children is your thing
Ensuring children are fed is parents responsibility.
I just don’t think the taxes from people on minimum wage should be spent on the children of middle class parents earning loads more money.
Do you think everyone should get benefits regardless of how much they earn or how much they have in the bank? "Ah! Yes this old trope, parents should be mystic Meg! They should know if one of them are about to loose a job or die and therefore render the child hungry!! I believe children should be treated equally! I don't believe OAPs should be treated equally some deserve the winter fuel allowance others are rich enough and ugly enough to pay for it. They've benefited from free universities, cheap housing and a growing economy. To say they can't live without a free handout of £300 is laughable | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. Only 7% of the population can afford to go to private school so by definition they are amongst the wealthiest. I don't asumme anything I said they are more likely, because wealth buys wealth!! If you can afford to put your children into that privileged circle you would. Because you'll know the future journalists, MPs, directors and like it or not the work place is all about connections. Ensuring all children are fed and then attain a certain level of education is surely better the whole of population and especially seeing as they'll be paying for my dotage. But hey, if starving children is your thing
Ensuring children are fed is parents responsibility.
I just don’t think the taxes from people on minimum wage should be spent on the children of middle class parents earning loads more money.
Do you think everyone should get benefits regardless of how much they earn or how much they have in the bank?
Ah! Yes this old trope, parents should be mystic Meg! They should know if one of them are about to loose a job or die and therefore render the child hungry!!
I believe children should be treated equally!
I don't believe OAPs should be treated equally some deserve the winter fuel allowance others are rich enough and ugly enough to pay for it.
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"I don't think you realise how hard it is in the UK at the moment. Children are going to school hungry because people can't afford food. So we can either make the case to make businesses pay better wages - I'm all for. Or while the Thatcherite creed exists and we can't touch businesses and millionaires we have to help families by making school as cheap as possible with food and uniform " I’m aware. People can only be paid based on the value they bring to the business, within the constraints of keeping that business profitable. Increases in pay without increasing productivity means increased prices. You just end up back where you started from, unless you reduce income tax. You can think what you like about Thatcher but the basic rate of tax fell by 8% during the first two terms of her government | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Invigorated the red hand gang's far left echo chambers it would seem. " Or more temperate (not far left, left or in the middle) people realising a limited company is not the path they want to travel. | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Invigorated the red hand gang's far left echo chambers it would seem. Or more temperate (not far left, left or in the middle) people realising a limited company is not the path they want to travel. " Far left are eager, the middle are disappointed | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Invigorated the red hand gang's far left echo chambers it would seem. Or more temperate (not far left, left or in the middle) people realising a limited company is not the path they want to travel. Far left are eager, the middle are disappointed I think you missed my point. " I understand "your" point. However the pattern and language of far left activists is now beginning to echo through the left wing populists, much of what they are preaching can be seen word for word on these threads. My observation is the weakness in the labour government is fuelling the far left echo chambers. I'm not worried by this, the numbers involved do not equate to the noise they make, much like the far right, it is all bluster and little substance. | |||
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"Assisted dying Decriminalising abortion Workers rights improved Free school meals Changed fiscal rules so they can invest in infrastructure projects 👍 Good stuff We already had free school meals for those on benefits etc so I’m assuming we now have free school meals for millionaires kids too? I guess I missed that. If so, why is the income tax of those on minimum wage being handed out to millionaires kids a good thing? Because millionaires children aren't likely to be at state school. But anyway, children are cruel and stigma sticks, so it's better to treat children uniformally. Making them show proof or join a different que because your mum and dad are poor isn't going to help the mental health of those poor children and only contribute in stigmatising them and there for labouring the fact that the rich man in his castle and the poor man at his gates actually exists You assume all rich people send their kids to private school which is absolutely not the case. And not all parents who send their kids to private school are rich, as the government are finding out from their VAT on education. And kids who get free school meals don’t have to do anything different to the kids who pay. Their thumbprint accesses their account. Nobody has any idea if their account has been topped up by the government or by their parents. Very often it’s both. Your argument is moot. Only 7% of the population can afford to go to private school so by definition they are amongst the wealthiest. I don't asumme anything I said they are more likely, because wealth buys wealth!! If you can afford to put your children into that privileged circle you would. Because you'll know the future journalists, MPs, directors and like it or not the work place is all about connections. Ensuring all children are fed and then attain a certain level of education is surely better the whole of population and especially seeing as they'll be paying for my dotage. But hey, if starving children is your thing
A month every year some children are forbidden from eating at school.
They aren't starved though are they, it's abstination rather then actual starvation.
You better hope you don't need an op during that month"Well that is subjective. And what has someone needing an op got to do with children being forbidden from eating school meals. | |||
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"What’s been achieved?" Some things, like the public sector pay rises, downturn in the economy, ongoing strikes and failing to tackle the small boat crossings I expected. What was more eye opening was the group's they ended up targeting. Before this government I would not link the labour party with attacks on pensioners, farmers and the sick. I don't recall any of these mentioned by them pre election so came as quite a shock | |||
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"Given that the UKs debt increased by a million million pounds between 2020 and 2024 it'll take them more than a year to get it under control " A massive chunk of that was Covid and lockdowns. And they ain’t gonna get borrowing under control by increasing it by at least £119 billion | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Some things, like the public sector pay rises, downturn in the economy, ongoing strikes and failing to tackle the small boat crossings I expected. What was more eye opening was the group's they ended up targeting. Before this government I would not link the labour party with attacks on pensioners, farmers and the sick. I don't recall any of these mentioned by them pre election so came as quite a shock" This is definitely the GBNews version. Meanwhile, "The UK economy experienced a growth spurt in the first quarter of 2025, exceeding initial expectations with a 0.7% increase in GDP." The economy isn't for doing as badly as the media would tell you. | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Some things, like the public sector pay rises, downturn in the economy, ongoing strikes and failing to tackle the small boat crossings I expected. What was more eye opening was the group's they ended up targeting. Before this government I would not link the labour party with attacks on pensioners, farmers and the sick. I don't recall any of these mentioned by them pre election so came as quite a shock This is definitely the GBNews version. Meanwhile, "The UK economy experienced a growth spurt in the first quarter of 2025, exceeding initial expectations with a 0.7% increase in GDP." The economy isn't for doing as badly as the media would tell you." Even the guardian? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jun/12/uk-economy-shrinks-firms-hit-by-higher-taxes-and-trump-trade-war | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Some things, like the public sector pay rises, downturn in the economy, ongoing strikes and failing to tackle the small boat crossings I expected. What was more eye opening was the group's they ended up targeting. Before this government I would not link the labour party with attacks on pensioners, farmers and the sick. I don't recall any of these mentioned by them pre election so came as quite a shock This is definitely the GBNews version. Meanwhile, "The UK economy experienced a growth spurt in the first quarter of 2025, exceeding initial expectations with a 0.7% increase in GDP." The economy isn't for doing as badly as the media would tell you." And let’s see what impact the employer NI increases have had when the the next 2 quarters are declared. It’s been an up and down year regarding actual GDP compared to forecasts | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Some things, like the public sector pay rises, downturn in the economy, ongoing strikes and failing to tackle the small boat crossings I expected. What was more eye opening was the group's they ended up targeting. Before this government I would not link the labour party with attacks on pensioners, farmers and the sick. I don't recall any of these mentioned by them pre election so came as quite a shock This is definitely the GBNews version. Meanwhile, "The UK economy experienced a growth spurt in the first quarter of 2025, exceeding initial expectations with a 0.7% increase in GDP." The economy isn't for doing as badly as the media would tell you." Why the GB news version? Is it because it does not show the government in a good light. I have not seen that channel for a while but maybe time to return. The economy was the fastest growing just before labour took over. They managed to loose that momentum and in April they reported a 0.3% decline year on year. Anyway my post was more about pointing out that I was surprised that labour targeted those that they have because up until now I would not associated them with such things. | |||
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"I don't think you realise how hard it is in the UK at the moment. Children are going to school hungry because people can't afford food. So we can either make the case to make businesses pay better wages - I'm all for. Or while the Thatcherite creed exists and we can't touch businesses and millionaires we have to help families by making school as cheap as possible with food and uniform I’m aware. People can only be paid based on the value they bring to the business, within the constraints of keeping that business profitable. Increases in pay without increasing productivity means increased prices. You just end up back where you started from, unless you reduce income tax. You can think what you like about Thatcher but the basic rate of tax fell by 8% during the first two terms of her government " It's not the 70s or the 80s. I don't disagree that tax reduction gets things growing further when you have a state that work. The state doesn't work and needs money. Prior to Thatcher you'd had a paternalistic conservative This is the opposite, you now need to swing back to a paternal state, people need to feel safe at work, people need to feel safe that if they lost their job someone would help them get another. People need to feel safe of they lost their home theirs safety bounce. But alass austerity has neutered this country | |||
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"The state doesn't work and needs money. And this statement is why things will never improve. Just throwing money at a problem rather than addressing the fundamental issues is why our tax burden is at record levels. " And to give a recent example of complete inefficiency. Had to see a NHS consultant through my private insurance (yes, I am lucky to be able to pay for it). He had a secretary at each hospital he works at, 5 and a private secretary. None of the secretaries have access to his diary other than the hospital that they are at so no joined up collaboration. None work beyond 3pm and all claim to be too busy to deal with patients. Average salary of £30-35k so cost to the tax payer of the 53,000 consultants assuming they all have 5 hospitals is £9bn. Just a suggestion from the private sector (and yes, it works). One secretary per consultant covering all NHS hospitals, paid £65-75k, a £4bn to £6bn saving right there and better patient service. And anyone who says it can't be done, in the private sector one secretary often covers 4 to 6 people, all incredibly busy, travelling etc. Just a thought. And when I spoke to the consultant and suggested this he totally agreed and admitted he couldn't even discipline his secretaries for what he agreed was an abject failure in their duties. | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Some things, like the public sector pay rises, downturn in the economy, ongoing strikes and failing to tackle the small boat crossings I expected. What was more eye opening was the group's they ended up targeting. Before this government I would not link the labour party with attacks on pensioners, farmers and the sick. I don't recall any of these mentioned by them pre election so came as quite a shock This is definitely the GBNews version. Meanwhile, "The UK economy experienced a growth spurt in the first quarter of 2025, exceeding initial expectations with a 0.7% increase in GDP." The economy isn't for doing as badly as the media would tell you. Why the GB news version? Is it because it does not show the government in a good light. I have not seen that channel for a while but maybe time to return. The economy was the fastest growing just before labour took over. They managed to loose that momentum and in April they reported a 0.3% decline year on year. Anyway my post was more about pointing out that I was surprised that labour targeted those that they have because up until now I would not associated them with such things. " 0.1% contraction for May. Budget for growth working out well then.  | |||
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"The state doesn't work and needs money. And this statement is why things will never improve. Just throwing money at a problem rather than addressing the fundamental issues is why our tax burden is at record levels. And to give a recent example of complete inefficiency. Had to see a NHS consultant through my private insurance (yes, I am lucky to be able to pay for it). He had a secretary at each hospital he works at, 5 and a private secretary. None of the secretaries have access to his diary other than the hospital that they are at so no joined up collaboration. None work beyond 3pm and all claim to be too busy to deal with patients. Average salary of £30-35k so cost to the tax payer of the 53,000 consultants assuming they all have 5 hospitals is £9bn. Just a suggestion from the private sector (and yes, it works). One secretary per consultant covering all NHS hospitals, paid £65-75k, a £4bn to £6bn saving right there and better patient service. And anyone who says it can't be done, in the private sector one secretary often covers 4 to 6 people, all incredibly busy, travelling etc. Just a thought. And when I spoke to the consultant and suggested this he totally agreed and admitted he couldn't even discipline his secretaries for what he agreed was an abject failure in their duties." i think that is porkie pies unless it's a thing particular to your local english NHS trust. i know quite a few consultant secretaries and they ALL are secretary to 5 separate consultants in the relevant department. it's also highly unlikley due to existing contractual rules that a consultant is spread across 5 different hospitals in 5 different trusts so the assertion that they are unable to access diaries is not believable in any way. | |||
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"What’s been achieved? Some things, like the public sector pay rises, downturn in the economy, ongoing strikes and failing to tackle the small boat crossings I expected. What was more eye opening was the group's they ended up targeting. Before this government I would not link the labour party with attacks on pensioners, farmers and the sick. I don't recall any of these mentioned by them pre election so came as quite a shock This is definitely the GBNews version. Meanwhile, "The UK economy experienced a growth spurt in the first quarter of 2025, exceeding initial expectations with a 0.7% increase in GDP." The economy isn't for doing as badly as the media would tell you. Why the GB news version? Is it because it does not show the government in a good light. I have not seen that channel for a while but maybe time to return. The economy was the fastest growing just before labour took over. They managed to loose that momentum and in April they reported a 0.3% decline year on year. Anyway my post was more about pointing out that I was surprised that labour targeted those that they have because up until now I would not associated them with such things. 0.1% contraction for May. Budget for growth working out well then. "Yep, another set of poor figures, but not to worry as economic growth is the governments number 1 priority | |||
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