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"So much for freedom of speech " Freedom of speech doesn’t apply in private venues or organisations, and it doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. You can’t say whatever you want and expect to avoid accountability. | |||
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"We are just astounded the way in which Glastonbury manages to wind so many people up year on year. It now become a full part of the offended calendar along with Christmas is being cancelled and Easter eggs don’t say Easter. Don’t people just relish being perpetually annoyed in life. If you genuinely think Glastonbury became shit and suddenly political you’re either not aging well or never really understood it. Kneecap went down a storm it’s a paid event and it’s what the punters wanted BBC or no BBC. " “Hitler went down a storm it’s what the punters wanted …..” etc etc. | |||
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"So much for freedom of speech Freedom of speech doesn’t apply in private venues or organisations, and it doesn’t mean freedom from consequences. You can’t say whatever you want and expect to avoid accountability." Freedom of speech is protection from government interference as a consequence of speech. What the government are doing to Kneecap is the very definition of suppression of speech. Your definition of freedom of speech is incorrect and seems predicated on the US constitution interpretation that gets thrown around. It’s very clear that Kneecap are being hounded by the government, initially over their comments on drugs and the North of Ireland, now on their position on the hypocrisy of our government over Palestine. Kneecap come from a community that has dealt with government oppression for generations. Palestine and Ireland have been a common struggle against imperialism for a long time. | |||
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"We are just astounded the way in which Glastonbury manages to wind so many people up year on year. It now become a full part of the offended calendar along with Christmas is being cancelled and Easter eggs don’t say Easter. Don’t people just relish being perpetually annoyed in life. If you genuinely think Glastonbury became shit and suddenly political you’re either not aging well or never really understood it. Kneecap went down a storm it’s a paid event and it’s what the punters wanted BBC or no BBC. " The Glastonbury sheep doing their thing... | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair)." they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for | |||
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"Quite clearly, they aren't just nobodies any more and the government know they have a lot of sway, not just on social media but overseas too. Like someone said, they are being hounded because of their influence and they are incredibly well versed on the history. As far as I'm concerned, their set was class and the Eavis' family should be respected to not bowing to the pressure to remove them! If you're easily offended or can't stand to see evolving music genre's, Glastonbury isn't for you..." Glastonbury stopped being for me when they slung up a huge fence started charging extortionate prices and started putting pop acts on the bill | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for" I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation? | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation?" give it time I'm sure if they could see everything that's posted online a few on here would be getting a knock at the door,never trust goverment or the police they ain't your friends,I wouldn't piss on a politician or copper if they were on fire | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation?give it time I'm sure if they could see everything that's posted online a few on here would be getting a knock at the door,never trust goverment or the police they ain't your friends,I wouldn't piss on a politician or copper if they were on fire" I really cannot disagree with you. | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation?give it time I'm sure if they could see everything that's posted online a few on here would be getting a knock at the door,never trust goverment or the police they ain't your friends,I wouldn't piss on a politician or copper if they were on fire" This site has an algorithm to scan for certain words so just imagine how sophisticated the systems the government have in place are. I used to know a guy who worked in the legal department at EE. You wouldn’t believe some of the stuff he told me they were capable of | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation?" Voicing support for a terrorist organization isn't having a conversation about it | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation? Voicing support for a terrorist organization isn't having a conversation about it" No it creates conversation like this thread, it spreads ideas and sparks the imagination, something the present government is clearly scared of. | |||
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"…it’s crazy how dangerous these words are compared to the heavy bombs being dropped on and subsequently burning babies to death in tents. Hard to say which is worse isn’t it tbh " Judging but the sentences handed out by the courts lately, hurty words are much more serious than causing actual physical harm to another person or persons. | |||
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"…it’s crazy how dangerous these words are compared to the heavy bombs being dropped on and subsequently burning babies to death in tents. Hard to say which is worse isn’t it tbh " 518 UK RAF sortees conducted on behalf of Israel identifying these targets Starmer wants kneecap off air for complaining about it. | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation? Voicing support for a terrorist organization isn't having a conversation about it No it creates conversation like this thread, it spreads ideas and sparks the imagination, something the present government is clearly scared of." Quote "Now, footage from two previous gigs is being assessed by counter-terrorism police in the UK. In one, the band allegedly call for the death of Conservative MPs. Another seems to show a band member shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah". Both groups are banned in the UK and it is a crime to express support for them." This doesn't appear to encourage conversation, blatant hatred. | |||
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"Palestine and Ireland have been a common struggle against imperialism for a long time. " The only imperialism in the Palestine territories is pan-Arabist ideology. | |||
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"The only imperialism in the Palestine territories is pan-Arabist ideology." Yup, the IDF and the settlers are just tourists visiting the Palestinian territories. They are only there for friendly interaction and to learn more about the culture of the five million people who live there. | |||
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"Who cares "Just my thoughts if you are there, there is lots to go people can vote with there feet, if you like the band I bet you can stream kt somewhere. So who cares. | |||
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"The only imperialism in the Palestine territories is pan-Arabist ideology. Yup, the IDF and the settlers are just tourists visiting the Palestinian territories. They are only there for friendly interaction and to learn more about the culture of the five million people who live there." The IDF and the settler movement are not the same entity. Maybe look up the meaning of imperialism and then get yourself a lesson in the 7th century Islamic conquests. | |||
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"It is clear to me that to make comment on the issue of Gaza is no longer allowed and to be ignored by all or else they will come get us. Even if the truth is looking us in the face, we are told the narrative that they want us to believe and we are not to sway from it. It seems anyone who makes a comment against the narrative will have their livelihood put at risk, threats of prison or prescribed a terrorist. Yeh free speech out of the window, dictator starmer is now in session. By the way Starmer has in the past defended plastine action, the jury found them not guilty due to their actions prevented a much larger crime (they had sabotaged a military fuel tanker bound to Iraq to fuel bombers in midair).they locked people up last year for posting hurty words online,yet the usual suspects who support Palestine cheered it on thinking the same or worse wouldn't happen to them,people should be carefully for what they wish for I do not think people should be locked up for saying hurry words, what are we coming to? If I am "allowed" to watch people starving and I do not believe the reasons given for starving a group of people, bombing them and killing them as they seemed a threat even though unarmed whist seeking aid. But I cannot comment on it to others. Imagine if we were not allowed to even have this conversation? Voicing support for a terrorist organization isn't having a conversation about it No it creates conversation like this thread, it spreads ideas and sparks the imagination, something the present government is clearly scared of." The problem is that the easily led and gullible are usually the target audience. You could see that when the IDF chant was thrown out there, without any consideration a large amount of people began chanting it too. | |||
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"The IDF and the settler movement are not the same entity." I didn't say they were, I just characterized them both as tourists. "Maybe look up the meaning of imperialism and then get yourself a lesson in the 7th century Islamic conquests." I typed in imperialism and the first thing google came up with was... "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." I then googled colonization and it spat out... "the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area." I do already know a little about the 7th century but in case you hadn't noticed this is the 21st. | |||
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" I typed in imperialism and the first thing google came up with was... "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." I then googled colonization and it spat out... "the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area." I do already know a little about the 7th century but in case you hadn't noticed this is the 21st. " Exactly. Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, Palestine was never a nation, and returning to your native homeland is not the same as settler colonialism. | |||
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"Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, Palestine was never a nation, and returning to your native homeland is not the same as settler colonialism." You brought up the Palestine territories and pan-Arabism. Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread so perhaps we can continue our conversation on another one some time in the future. | |||
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" I typed in imperialism and the first thing google came up with was... "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." I then googled colonization and it spat out... "the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area." I do already know a little about the 7th century but in case you hadn't noticed this is the 21st. Exactly. Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, Palestine was never a nation, and returning to your native homeland is not the same as settler colonialism. " That’s an interesting way of saying “this is mine mine and mine!” Even though you have been away from it for the best part of 1400 years… give or take! | |||
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" That’s an interesting way of saying “this is mine mine and mine!” Even though you have been away from it for the best part of 1400 years… give or take! " If a native people are forcibly ejected from their land by occupiers over the course of several centuries, does this mean they forfeit their right to that land? | |||
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" I typed in imperialism and the first thing google came up with was... "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." I then googled colonization and it spat out... "the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area." I do already know a little about the 7th century but in case you hadn't noticed this is the 21st. Exactly. Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, Palestine was never a nation, and returning to your native homeland is not the same as settler colonialism. That’s an interesting way of saying “this is mine mine and mine!” Even though you have been away from it for the best part of 1400 years… give or take! " At what point in history did Jews lose the right of return to Judaea? 75CE? 150CE? 700CE? 1200CE? 1948CE? | |||
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" I typed in imperialism and the first thing google came up with was... "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." I then googled colonization and it spat out... "the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area." I do already know a little about the 7th century but in case you hadn't noticed this is the 21st. Exactly. Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, Palestine was never a nation, and returning to your native homeland is not the same as settler colonialism. That’s an interesting way of saying “this is mine mine and mine!” Even though you have been away from it for the best part of 1400 years… give or take! At what point in history did Jews lose the right of return to Judaea? 75CE? 150CE? 700CE? 1200CE? 1948CE?" 2023 SM | |||
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"and music isn't about politics " And that's the problem. . There isn't nearly nowhere near enough music about politics which there used to be growing up as a teenager in the late 70's/early 80's. . The punk movement for example. Or identify expression with new wave romanticism. Or any one of a number of scenes which arose in those times. . And it wasn't just limited to the 70's. The 60's in the US saw a massive political & musical movement re Vietnam. . Music may be many things to many people, but politics absolutely has a place in music and is welcomed. Regardless of whether I agree or not with the artist's message is irrelevant. . We need more artists to step forward and challenge the status quo (no pun intended). . Music IS about politics because music is about the human condition, and we all succumb to politics in one way or another. Music is people and people are politics. | |||
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"and music isn't about politics And that's the problem. . There isn't nearly nowhere near enough music about politics which there used to be growing up as a teenager in the late 70's/early 80's. . The punk movement for example. Or identify expression with new wave romanticism. Or any one of a number of scenes which arose in those times. . And it wasn't just limited to the 70's. The 60's in the US saw a massive political & musical movement re Vietnam. . Music may be many things to many people, but politics absolutely has a place in music and is welcomed. Regardless of whether I agree or not with the artist's message is irrelevant. . We need more artists to step forward and challenge the status quo (no pun intended). . Music IS about politics because music is about the human condition, and we all succumb to politics in one way or another. Music is people and people are politics. " These people aren’t exactly “challenging the status quo” are they? There views are bog standard Blob orthodoxy. Being “edgy” nowadays consists of regurgitating every belief that the State wants you to hold, on the economy, public services, trade unions, Gaza, Trump, and climate change. I’d get as much rebellion at Glastonbury as I would at a local Labour council planning meeting. | |||
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"Kneecap’s Glastonbury set will not be broadcast live by the BBC Keir Starmer said they should be banned from the _estival after band member Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh has been charged with a terrorism offence So much for freedom of speech " Good they're a set of vile scumbags who are supporting a terrorist organisation. Dummies | |||
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"and music isn't about politics And that's the problem. . There isn't nearly nowhere near enough music about politics which there used to be growing up as a teenager in the late 70's/early 80's. . The punk movement for example. Or identify expression with new wave romanticism. Or any one of a number of scenes which arose in those times. . And it wasn't just limited to the 70's. The 60's in the US saw a massive political & musical movement re Vietnam. . Music may be many things to many people, but politics absolutely has a place in music and is welcomed. Regardless of whether I agree or not with the artist's message is irrelevant. . We need more artists to step forward and challenge the status quo (no pun intended). . Music IS about politics because music is about the human condition, and we all succumb to politics in one way or another. Music is people and people are politics. These people aren’t exactly “challenging the status quo” are they? There views are bog standard Blob orthodoxy. Being “edgy” nowadays consists of regurgitating every belief that the State wants you to hold, on the economy, public services, trade unions, Gaza, Trump, and climate change. I’d get as much rebellion at Glastonbury as I would at a local Labour council planning meeting." Amazing. People actually want the government to work EVEN MORE in the favour of big corporations, the fossil fuels industry, whomever donates the most to their election fund, and be even harsher on workers rights, and to ignore climate science even more. What a time to be alive. | |||
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"Kneecap’s Glastonbury set will not be broadcast live by the BBC Keir Starmer said they should be banned from the _estival after band member Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh has been charged with a terrorism offence So much for freedom of speech Good they're a set of vile scumbags who are supporting a terrorist organisation. Dummies" Agree here. I haven't paid my TV licence for a long time. The BBC is awful. | |||
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"Being “edgy” nowadays consists of regurgitating every belief that the State wants you to hold, on the economy, public services, trade unions, Gaza, Trump, and climate change. I’d get as much rebellion at Glastonbury as I would at a local Labour council planning meeting." "Amazing. People actually want the government to work EVEN MORE in the favour of big corporations, the fossil fuels industry, whomever donates the most to their election fund, and be even harsher on workers rights, and to ignore climate science even more." Do you see the Labour government as ignoring climate science? | |||
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"Given that housewife and mother Lucy Connolly continues to languish in prison for spouting off on social media to her ten followers following the Southport attack, presumably we can now expect these clowns and “Bob Vylan” (who?) to be sent down for a lot longer for their self-publicising rants to wider audiences and on national TV. I’m not holding my breath. The likelihood of being sent to prison for this sort of thing very much depends on whether your opinions accord with the Blob’s world view rather than any objective legal assessment. It’s a pretty sad reflection on the state of education in the UK that white middle class kids out partying think that shouting “Death to the IDF” is some edgy act of rebellion." Lucy Connolly was a Registered Child Minder and made her tweet (viewed by 300,000) on the day 3 little girls were murdered and 10 other people injured. Read the Judge's sentencing report and the one from the Court of Appeal to understand why her got the sentence she did. Whether the band today, and Kneecap have equally broken the law remains to be seen but as others have said the UK and Israeli governments response to terrorism isn't perfect... | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. " When Bob and kneecap become political prisoners for their speech, then they will be the same. | |||
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" I typed in imperialism and the first thing google came up with was... "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." I then googled colonization and it spat out... "the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area." I do already know a little about the 7th century but in case you hadn't noticed this is the 21st. Exactly. Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, Palestine was never a nation, and returning to your native homeland is not the same as settler colonialism. That’s an interesting way of saying “this is mine mine and mine!” Even though you have been away from it for the best part of 1400 years… give or take! " I’m sure the Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland might have something to say about that. | |||
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" I typed in imperialism and the first thing google came up with was... "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means." I then googled colonization and it spat out... "the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area." I do already know a little about the 7th century but in case you hadn't noticed this is the 21st. Exactly. Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant, Palestine was never a nation, and returning to your native homeland is not the same as settler colonialism. That’s an interesting way of saying “this is mine mine and mine!” Even though you have been away from it for the best part of 1400 years… give or take! I’m sure the Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland might have something to say about that. " What's that got to do with anything ? | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. " "Bobby Vylan, real name Pascal Robinson-Foster, is a 34 year old father of one from an affluent middle-class background in Ipswich. He is sole director of two registered entertainment companies, Ghost Theatre Ltd and Lavy Hill Ltd. He is a vegan and has previously performed poetry under the name “Nee Hi”. He once confessed in an interview with Tribune magazine that he started the band Bob Vylan in a bid to "wind people up", score some victories and alleviate boredom." | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. " Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. | |||
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"Calling for death is not about offence.thats incitement to violence." Additionally, other parts of his speech haven't been broadcast so widely. Like calling his previous Jewish manager a "bald Zionist cunt". | |||
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"Calling for death is not about offence.thats incitement to violence." Meanwhile, the UK sells F-35 parts so that the mass slaughter and genocide can continue. People are much more offended by someone chanting "death", than those facilitating actual death. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. " 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. | |||
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" Meanwhile, the UK sells F-35 parts so that the mass slaughter and genocide can continue. People are much more offended by someone chanting "death", than those facilitating actual death. " It's only a genocide for people who can't do maths. | |||
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" Meanwhile, the UK sells F-35 parts so that the mass slaughter and genocide can continue. People are much more offended by someone chanting "death", than those facilitating actual death. It's only a genocide for people who can't do maths." If you are suggesting that they haven't slaughtered enough innocent children yet for it to fit your definition of "genocide" fair play to you for shoehorning this in. Meanwhile the UN are saying that the IDF's tactics in Gaza are genocidal. My point stands. People are more offended by a chant than the mass killing of kids. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. " Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. " They are all at the far left and far right of their views, and have as far as I'm concerned merged into the same ugly thing. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. " What you're witnessing (and participating in) is the demonisation and censorship of anyone who speaks out against genocide. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. They are all at the far left and far right of their views, and have as far as I'm concerned merged into the same ugly thing." Except you think it appropriate to use Robinson as an adequate comparison.. That's a bit of a stretch given the current situation.. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. What you're witnessing (and participating in) is the demonisation and censorship of anyone who speaks out against genocide. " Aren't they calling for genocide against the Israeli Jews ? | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. They are all at the far left and far right of their views, and have as far as I'm concerned merged into the same ugly thing. Except you think it appropriate to use Robinson as an adequate comparison.. That's a bit of a stretch given the current situation.. " Explain how it is a stretch? | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. What you're witnessing (and participating in) is the demonisation and censorship of anyone who speaks out against genocide. " Poor argument, do you recognise the meaning of from the river to the sea? Calling for death, I mean, how can you use whataboutery to deflect and ignore that? I’m not going to get drawn into the usual semantics, you either support the use of phrase calling for death and the removal of Israel from the map or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. They are all at the far left and far right of their views, and have as far as I'm concerned merged into the same ugly thing. Except you think it appropriate to use Robinson as an adequate comparison.. That's a bit of a stretch given the current situation.. Explain how it is a stretch? " I've laid out clearly above who you've chosen to use against at the moment people not yet charged nor convicted of allegations that your chosen one hasn't had yet to my knowledge.. Your bright enough to know the difference.. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. They are all at the far left and far right of their views, and have as far as I'm concerned merged into the same ugly thing. Except you think it appropriate to use Robinson as an adequate comparison.. That's a bit of a stretch given the current situation.. Explain how it is a stretch? I've laid out clearly above who you've chosen to use against at the moment people not yet charged nor convicted of allegations that your chosen one hasn't had yet to my knowledge.. Your bright enough to know the difference.." I’m not following you here at all. Why does it matter what criminal records any of these people have? Is that your argument on how they are different? All 3 of them call for and promote hate and that is why I can’t see the slightest difference in them. There are right ways and wrong ways of expressing opinion and again all 3 of them would rather stir up mobs to make their points hit home. Their supporters are all the same too, shocking isn’t it, that behaviour can be compared with far right thugs and far left thugs who follow the call for hate. I expect the full weight of the law to be applied to kneecap calling for a riot in August, and for the other idiot who chanted antisemitic nonsense to jump on the bandwagon. | |||
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"Kneecrap are just a wee sectarian band who feel edgy by supporting terrorism. They're not very good but are being bankrolled to promote their agenda. The irish/palestine links are, and have been, terrorist related for decades To the clown whinging about free speech , would you have objected to a racist band playing Glastonbury? All the wee lefties want free speech, but only if it's speech they agree with." Funny that as your people waving uvf and uda and Israel flags lol | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. They are all at the far left and far right of their views, and have as far as I'm concerned merged into the same ugly thing. Except you think it appropriate to use Robinson as an adequate comparison.. That's a bit of a stretch given the current situation.. Explain how it is a stretch? I've laid out clearly above who you've chosen to use against at the moment people not yet charged nor convicted of allegations that your chosen one hasn't had yet to my knowledge.. Your bright enough to know the difference.. I’m not following you here at all. Why does it matter what criminal records any of these people have? Is that your argument on how they are different? All 3 of them call for and promote hate and that is why I can’t see the slightest difference in them. There are right ways and wrong ways of expressing opinion and again all 3 of them would rather stir up mobs to make their points hit home. Their supporters are all the same too, shocking isn’t it, that behaviour can be compared with far right thugs and far left thugs who follow the call for hate. I expect the full weight of the law to be applied to kneecap calling for a riot in August, and for the other idiot who chanted antisemitic nonsense to jump on the bandwagon. " Why him though? It's almost like you chose someone to add to the pot.. The only example he should be perhaps used as is an awful person and not just a racist rabble rouser.. Apart from that I'm in agreement with the rest.. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. 'Robinson' has multiple convictions and has served three jail sentences, assaulting police, mortgage fraud, harassing and stalking journalists, using a false passport and contempt of court plus others.. He is diametrically opposed to knee cap and the other two I reckon but hardly a logical comparison nor exactly rocket science just who he is.. For the record I've said on here that knee cap have crossed a line and ditto the other two and they will be dealt with.. They are all at the far left and far right of their views, and have as far as I'm concerned merged into the same ugly thing. Except you think it appropriate to use Robinson as an adequate comparison.. That's a bit of a stretch given the current situation.. Explain how it is a stretch? I've laid out clearly above who you've chosen to use against at the moment people not yet charged nor convicted of allegations that your chosen one hasn't had yet to my knowledge.. Your bright enough to know the difference.. I’m not following you here at all. Why does it matter what criminal records any of these people have? Is that your argument on how they are different? All 3 of them call for and promote hate and that is why I can’t see the slightest difference in them. There are right ways and wrong ways of expressing opinion and again all 3 of them would rather stir up mobs to make their points hit home. Their supporters are all the same too, shocking isn’t it, that behaviour can be compared with far right thugs and far left thugs who follow the call for hate. I expect the full weight of the law to be applied to kneecap calling for a riot in August, and for the other idiot who chanted antisemitic nonsense to jump on the bandwagon. Why him though? It's almost like you chose someone to add to the pot.. The only example he should be perhaps used as is an awful person and not just a racist rabble rouser.. Apart from that I'm in agreement with the rest.." Because I see the others as exactly the same, rabble rousers looking to incite a mob. We can't allow this to happen on any side of the political spectrum, it exposes our (royal) naivety in not being able to deal with far left wing aggression and hate speech, like we have come to deal with the far right. This split is real, it is the driving force behind the 2 tier policing comments, it is pulling the country apart, not just in this but many other areas. Saying that, I think the mood is turning, enough is enough and we should not be listening or supporting chants calling for death or the removal of whole countries and peoples. We should be arguing and presenting forceful debate when it comes to wrong doing but, not by inciting mob rule or supporting those who are using mobs to create the scene. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. What you're witnessing (and participating in) is the demonisation and censorship of anyone who speaks out against genocide. Aren't they calling for genocide against the Israeli Jews ?" No | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. What you're witnessing (and participating in) is the demonisation and censorship of anyone who speaks out against genocide. Poor argument, do you recognise the meaning of from the river to the sea? Calling for death, I mean, how can you use whataboutery to deflect and ignore that? I’m not going to get drawn into the usual semantics, you either support the use of phrase calling for death and the removal of Israel from the map or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways. " You either support the censorship of people who oppose genocide or you don't. You've added 1000% extra made up meaning to what was said, and trying to turn it into something it wasn't to demonise people who speak out against genocide. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. What you're witnessing (and participating in) is the demonisation and censorship of anyone who speaks out against genocide. Poor argument, do you recognise the meaning of from the river to the sea? Calling for death, I mean, how can you use whataboutery to deflect and ignore that? I’m not going to get drawn into the usual semantics, you either support the use of phrase calling for death and the removal of Israel from the map or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways. You either support the censorship of people who oppose genocide or you don't. You've added 1000% extra made up meaning to what was said, and trying to turn it into something it wasn't to demonise people who speak out against genocide. " This is not about censorship, this is about the call to action for death and hate. I'm sorry Johnny but you are burying your head in the sand if you are arguing that they haven't over stepped the mark by calling for death and using a chant that is regarded as being antisemitic. | |||
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"It is sad that so many people can't recognise chants for Israeli genocide or support calls for violence, specifically call for riots on the streets of Westminster. What is the cause of this, not paying attention or something else? What is the difference between Bob Vylan, kneecap and Tommy Robinson, they all sound the same to me. Well neither of the acts you mentioned have called for Israeli genocide. That's the first point. Secondly the usual crowd that back Tommy Robinson to do and say whatever he wants free on consequences now suddenly want anyone who speaks up against the genocide in Palestine to be silenced. For me personally, the difference is, TR wants to spread as much race-hate as possible. The others want the genocide to stop. Having said that, legally speaking, I don't know if what Kneecap said or Bob Vylan said are going to get them in trouble or not. And I personally wouldn't have said those things. The interesting point out of all this is the usual crowd moaning about cancel culture, are now suddenly enthused by cancelling these acts. Maybe look into the meanings behind phrases such as, from the river to the sea, it is calling for an end to Israel and its people. Meanwhile, calling for death of the IDF is a call to kill all Israeli soldiers and has been called out as antisemitism from all areas. Both of those are calling for the end of Jewish people. What I'm witnessing is a normalisation of hate towards Jews, and it obviously doesn't take too much effort to drill the message into the flag waving brain dead sheep at Glastonbury. They chant along to the tune of a dog whistle. The above is what I have seen aimed a Tommy Robinson and his supporters. What you're witnessing (and participating in) is the demonisation and censorship of anyone who speaks out against genocide. Poor argument, do you recognise the meaning of from the river to the sea? Calling for death, I mean, how can you use whataboutery to deflect and ignore that? I’m not going to get drawn into the usual semantics, you either support the use of phrase calling for death and the removal of Israel from the map or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways. You either support the censorship of people who oppose genocide or you don't. You've added 1000% extra made up meaning to what was said, and trying to turn it into something it wasn't to demonise people who speak out against genocide. This is not about censorship, this is about the call to action for death and hate. I'm sorry Johnny but you are burying your head in the sand if you are arguing that they haven't over stepped the mark by calling for death and using a chant that is regarded as being antisemitic. " I haven't argued that they haven't overstepped the mark. I've been very clear. You've added on lots of additional meaning to what was said. That's quite frankly nonsense, and it's a repeat of what I've seen in the right wing media. It's specifically designed to demonise these people who speak up about the genocide. The net result is people are more outraged by some words, than they are about the mass slaughter of innocent kids and people. | |||
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"Calling for death to people is wrong, but yesterday in the Gaza death camp,over 20 people were blasted to death in a sea side cafe including journalists " It could be up to 38 plus dozens critically injured.. | |||
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"Calling for death to people is wrong, but yesterday in the Gaza death camp, over 20 people were blasted to death in a sea side cafe including journalists " So calling for more deaths is probably not a good thing? I’ve not seen anyone in this forum advocating for more Palestinian deaths. Even those on the Israeli side of the larger debate would agree that the killing needs to stop. But killing Israelis is not going to bring that about and neither is calling for their deaths. The chants were neither helpful or lawful. Not everyone who breaks the law gets prosecuted tho. | |||
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"Calling for death to people is wrong, but yesterday in the Gaza death camp,over 20 people were blasted to death in a sea side cafe including journalists It could be up to 38 plus dozens critically injured.. " Wondering if any Hamas in that cafe ? | |||
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"Calling for death to people is wrong, but yesterday in the Gaza death camp,over 20 people were blasted to death in a sea side cafe including journalists It could be up to 38 plus dozens critically injured.. Wondering if any Hamas in that cafe ?" Does it make any difference? | |||
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"Calling for death to people is wrong, but yesterday in the Gaza death camp,over 20 people were blasted to death in a sea side cafe including journalists It could be up to 38 plus dozens critically injured.. Wondering if any Hamas in that cafe ? Does it make any difference?" It had a decent internet connection apparently.. | |||
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"Calling for death to people is wrong, but yesterday in the Gaza death camp,over 20 people were blasted to death in a sea side cafe including journalists It could be up to 38 plus dozens critically injured.. Wondering if any Hamas in that cafe ? Does it make any difference?" The Israeli lavender system tells them where to target irrespective of any other people there, whoever they may be. Hence the colossal number of civilians killed. | |||
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"In a death camp,no lives matter," No, but chants at a music _estival seem to. | |||
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"In a death camp,no lives matter, No, but chants at a music _estival seem to." The reality Vylan may get three years in hmp while our government have colluded with IDF and the RAF have conducted at least 518 sortees identifying targets in Gaza. | |||
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"In a death camp,no lives matter," 2 million people, half of them children. Bombed in their beds. For perspective 1.3 million were sent to Auschwitz | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. " There have been protests in Gaza against Hamas.. No doubt as is par for the course there are plans and resources available by powers opposed to Hamas to take that further if they can make the right connections.. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There have been protests in Gaza against Hamas.. No doubt as is par for the course there are plans and resources available by powers opposed to Hamas to take that further if they can make the right connections.. " International pressure as well as local pressure. Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states, why are they not doing more to bring this to a close? | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why?" Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? " B. No, Benji has his next excuse for continuing the slaughter. The complete annihilation of Gaza population and its annexation is inevitable. The same will happen in the West Bank, give it 10 years. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? " Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? B. No, Benji has his next excuse for continuing the slaughter. The complete annihilation of Gaza population and its annexation is inevitable. The same will happen in the West Bank, give it 10 years." You have just made my point. If annihilation is inevitable, according to you, then why wouldn’t people challenge Hamas? The very group that you say gives Netanyahu the justification to continue the conflict? | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. " Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital. | |||
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"Did Hamas not agree to the ceasefire,but Netanyahu wouldn't move to the 2nd phase,it is in his interest to keep the war going " Hamas and Israel both refused to move to phase 2, call it a trust issue... Your other point, hear this a lot, why is it in his interest to keep the war going? | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital." No it doesn't I was very clear about Israel and accountability, but you are still giving Hamas the free pass, why specifically? Also you avoided the question, why other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states are not putting pressure on Hamas to bring this to an end. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital. No it doesn't I was very clear about Israel and accountability, but you are still giving Hamas the free pass, why specifically? Also you avoided the question, why other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states are not putting pressure on Hamas to bring this to an end. " I'm not giving Hamas a "free pass". I assume those country's aren't putting any pressure on Hamas because there's absolutely nothing Hamas can do to end the slaughter. Returning the hostages won't make any difference. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital. No it doesn't I was very clear about Israel and accountability, but you are still giving Hamas the free pass, why specifically? Also you avoided the question, why other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states are not putting pressure on Hamas to bring this to an end. I'm not giving Hamas a "free pass". I assume those country's aren't putting any pressure on Hamas because there's absolutely nothing Hamas can do to end the slaughter. Returning the hostages won't make any difference. " Returning the hostages certainly wouldn't hurt now would it ? | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital. No it doesn't I was very clear about Israel and accountability, but you are still giving Hamas the free pass, why specifically? Also you avoided the question, why other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states are not putting pressure on Hamas to bring this to an end. I'm not giving Hamas a "free pass". I assume those country's aren't putting any pressure on Hamas because there's absolutely nothing Hamas can do to end the slaughter. Returning the hostages won't make any difference. " You say you’re not giving Hamas a free pass, but you have argued that they have nothing they can do to stop the war. That’s simply not true. They could surrender, they could release the hostages, they could halt their military operations. Those are all options that could shift the outcome of this war and potentially save the lives of many Palestinians. Claiming they are powerless while ignoring they have choices is giving them a pass. Condemning Israel’s conduct is not an issue and Israel should be challenged when it is acting unlawfully or creating humanitarian suffering. However, I would also expect to see the same condemnation of Hamas, but where is the condemnation for their lack of accountability towards their people and the suffering they are having to endure? To bring about change, challenge both sides for keeping the conflict going. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital. No it doesn't I was very clear about Israel and accountability, but you are still giving Hamas the free pass, why specifically? Also you avoided the question, why other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states are not putting pressure on Hamas to bring this to an end. I'm not giving Hamas a "free pass". I assume those country's aren't putting any pressure on Hamas because there's absolutely nothing Hamas can do to end the slaughter. Returning the hostages won't make any difference. You say you’re not giving Hamas a free pass, but you have argued that they have nothing they can do to stop the war. That’s simply not true. They could surrender, they could release the hostages, they could halt their military operations. Those are all options that could shift the outcome of this war and potentially save the lives of many Palestinians. Claiming they are powerless while ignoring they have choices is giving them a pass. Condemning Israel’s conduct is not an issue and Israel should be challenged when it is acting unlawfully or creating humanitarian suffering. However, I would also expect to see the same condemnation of Hamas, but where is the condemnation for their lack of accountability towards their people and the suffering they are having to endure? To bring about change, challenge both sides for keeping the conflict going." I don't know what you're smoking if you think Hamas surrendering would some how end the slaughter. Surely the first port of call would be to ask those committing the atrocities to stop. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital. No it doesn't I was very clear about Israel and accountability, but you are still giving Hamas the free pass, why specifically? Also you avoided the question, why other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states are not putting pressure on Hamas to bring this to an end. I'm not giving Hamas a "free pass". I assume those country's aren't putting any pressure on Hamas because there's absolutely nothing Hamas can do to end the slaughter. Returning the hostages won't make any difference. You say you’re not giving Hamas a free pass, but you have argued that they have nothing they can do to stop the war. That’s simply not true. They could surrender, they could release the hostages, they could halt their military operations. Those are all options that could shift the outcome of this war and potentially save the lives of many Palestinians. Claiming they are powerless while ignoring they have choices is giving them a pass. Condemning Israel’s conduct is not an issue and Israel should be challenged when it is acting unlawfully or creating humanitarian suffering. However, I would also expect to see the same condemnation of Hamas, but where is the condemnation for their lack of accountability towards their people and the suffering they are having to endure? To bring about change, challenge both sides for keeping the conflict going. I don't know what you're smoking if you think Hamas surrendering would some how end the slaughter. Surely the first port of call would be to ask those committing the atrocities to stop." Exactly, that includes Hamas. | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. Your suggestion avoids responsibility from those currently engaging in genocidal activities. My reply highlighted that the slaughter won't abate if people protest against Hamas. Protesting against the British government fascinating genocide is vital. No it doesn't I was very clear about Israel and accountability, but you are still giving Hamas the free pass, why specifically? Also you avoided the question, why other countries such as Egypt, Qatar, Iran and other Gulf states are not putting pressure on Hamas to bring this to an end. I'm not giving Hamas a "free pass". I assume those country's aren't putting any pressure on Hamas because there's absolutely nothing Hamas can do to end the slaughter. Returning the hostages won't make any difference. You say you’re not giving Hamas a free pass, but you have argued that they have nothing they can do to stop the war. That’s simply not true. They could surrender, they could release the hostages, they could halt their military operations. Those are all options that could shift the outcome of this war and potentially save the lives of many Palestinians. Claiming they are powerless while ignoring they have choices is giving them a pass. Condemning Israel’s conduct is not an issue and Israel should be challenged when it is acting unlawfully or creating humanitarian suffering. However, I would also expect to see the same condemnation of Hamas, but where is the condemnation for their lack of accountability towards their people and the suffering they are having to endure? To bring about change, challenge both sides for keeping the conflict going. I don't know what you're smoking if you think Hamas surrendering would some how end the slaughter. Surely the first port of call would be to ask those committing the atrocities to stop. Exactly, that includes Hamas." Whatever gets the IDF to stop their genocidal activities. But let's be realistic. | |||
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"In a death camp,no lives matter, 2 million people, half of them children. Bombed in their beds. For perspective 1.3 million were sent to Auschwitz" Over 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust. All civilians. No terrorists hiding amongst them. | |||
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"Terrorists hiding among the civilian population, don't give you a right to carpet bomb an area,If a ceasefire fire happens Netanyahu knows he has a court case to answer against him" Well quite. Would the IDF bomb hospitals in their own territory if they suspected Hamas had someone hiding in there. | |||
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"Terrorists hiding among the civilian population, don't give you a right to carpet bomb an area,If a ceasefire fire happens Netanyahu knows he has a court case to answer against him Well quite. Would the IDF bomb hospitals in their own territory if they suspected Hamas had someone hiding in there." What surprises me most is why nearly 200 countries on the globe have not stepped in and taken the refugees out of the firing line. | |||
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"Terrorists hiding among the civilian population, don't give you a right to carpet bomb an area,If a ceasefire fire happens Netanyahu knows he has a court case to answer against him" The court case within Israel ref corruption has begun with 60 witnesses having already testified. It is expected to finalise in 2026. Is there another court case you are referring to? | |||
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"Terrorists hiding among the civilian population, don't give you a right to carpet bomb an area,If a ceasefire fire happens Netanyahu knows he has a court case to answer against him" This isn't going to go down well but the minute a terrorist group realises that you won't fire upon a group, area, or building because there are innocents located there, is the minute they'll put innocents in all their installations and you may as well give up | |||
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"People should start openly challenging Hamas for their part in the continuation of war or there will be no change. There are 2 sides in this war ignoring one side over the other, why? Do you think that A. Protesting against Hamas is high on the agenda of Palestinians who are currently being bombed and starved to death by the IDF And/or B. Protesting against Hamas would slow down the slaughter of innocent civilians? Your response avoids the issue of joint accountability. Israel’s actions have caused immense suffering but that doesn’t remove Hamas’s role in this. Demanding action from both sides isn’t a denial of Israeli action it’s a valid ask to break the cycle. " Bo I haven't made your point. Your point is Hamas surrendering could stop this. My point it won't, because the world as decided to give Israel a free pass on anything, absolutely anything it does in Gaza and the West Bank now. October the 7th was a once in alife opportunity for Netanyahu to finally justify the Great Israel project, nothing is gong to stop them now. | |||
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"Kneecrap are just a wee sectarian band who feel edgy by supporting terrorism. They're not very good but are being bankrolled to promote their agenda. The irish/palestine links are, and have been, terrorist related for decades To the clown whinging about free speech , would you have objected to a racist band playing Glastonbury? All the wee lefties want free speech, but only if it's speech they agree with." Looking forward to your comments on the annual "Ki*l all Taigs" and "Fu*k the pope" Hatefest. | |||
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"Terrorists hiding among the civilian population, don't give you a right to carpet bomb an area,If a ceasefire fire happens Netanyahu knows he has a court case to answer against him This isn't going to go down well but the minute a terrorist group realises that you won't fire upon a group, area, or building because there are innocents located there, is the minute they'll put innocents in all their installations and you may as well give up " That is exactly why Hamas took so many hostages, to use as a human shield in the hope Isreal wouldn’t use the big guns. I don’t see anyone calling for Hamas to be brought to justice for their illegal acts that triggered this round of conflict. And don’t they still hold hostages? A cease fire is much more advantageous to Hamas than it is to Isreal. I think Isreal see this as an opportunity to get the job done permanently, or a least for a generation. Unfortunately even if they did, I think we’ll be discussing this very same topic again in 10 years time, if not sooner | |||
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"Kneecrap are just a wee sectarian band who feel edgy by supporting terrorism. They're not very good but are being bankrolled to promote their agenda. The irish/palestine links are, and have been, terrorist related for decades To the clown whinging about free speech , would you have objected to a racist band playing Glastonbury? All the wee lefties want free speech, but only if it's speech they agree with. Funny that as your people waving uvf and uda and Israel flags lol" Who are my people you mad sectarian, racist bigot? | |||
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"Given that housewife and mother Lucy Connolly continues to languish in prison for spouting off on social media to her ten followers following the Southport attack, presumably we can now expect these clowns and “Bob Vylan” (who?) to be sent down for a lot longer for their self-publicising rants to wider audiences and on national TV. I’m not holding my breath. The likelihood of being sent to prison for this sort of thing very much depends on whether your opinions accord with the Blob’s world view rather than any objective legal assessment. It’s a pretty sad reflection on the state of education in the UK that white middle class kids out partying think that shouting “Death to the IDF” is some edgy act of rebellion." Did you read the Judges summing up on the Connelly case? How many times her post was shared, before it was removed? What was in her post? | |||
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