FabSwingers.com forum: What would need to happen for you to vote reform?

Barwell

Fed up of seeing boats of young men washing up on the shores, committee crimes, not Integrating and bringing views that are outdated and not inline with British values.

Voted labour and greens all my life. But enough is enough. Time for labour to do something about these criminals who come here illegally and stop treating people who don't like the erosion of British culture as bigots.

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By *ecadentDeviantsCouple
47 weeks ago

North West

They would need to change their economic agenda. Farage is a Thatcherite.

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By *avinaTVTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Transsexual Transylvania

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By *erlins5Man
46 weeks ago

South Fife

I personally will never vote reform... Ever. If for you it is all about the boats, reform will not stop them either.

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By *abioMan
46 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Hell….. freeze…..over

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By *anforkinkywomen OP Man
46 weeks ago

Barwell

"🚩"

It's a bit of a quandary for the LGBT community must hate JK rowling but because they're aligned with the left. Ignore any view held by some of the radicals coming over.

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By *ermbiMan
46 weeks ago

Ballyshannon

"Fed up of seeing boats of young men washing up on the shores, committee crimes, not Integrating and bringing views that are outdated and not inline with British values.

What are the British values you refer to?

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
46 weeks ago

nearby

‘Trust in political parties on immigration: Reform UK enjoys the highest level of trust when it comes to having the right immigration policies (37%), handling migrant crossings of the English Channel (39%), and making illegal entry more difficult (42%). Around 1 in 4 trust Labour and the Liberal Democrats on these issues, while the Conservatives rank last on all three measures. Trust in both the main political parties – Labour and the Conservatives – has declined steadily since 2023.’

Ipsos 27 May 2025

Jury out where Reform are on the economy, running public services, military, education etc. struggling to see Nigel Farage at the G7. What is not in doubt is Reforms rising popularity.

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By *ayPrimeMan
46 weeks ago

Leeds

Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices.

I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Depends if it was a by election or general election. A protest vote is one thing, but Reform getting close to power is a troubling prospect.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

A full frontal lobotomy.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
46 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

can you imagine farage and tice with their fingers on the nuclear button?

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By *loscouplegl3Couple
46 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices.

I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. "

Well said

There is no ‘British culture’. The world I, my parents and my grandparents grew up in were each very different places. Unrecognisable to each other. I am going through the same thing with my kids and how they see the world.

It’s just life.

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By *acktopervMan
46 weeks ago

Stourport-On-Severn

"Hell….. freeze…..over

Or hell get even hotter

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By *he Flat CapsCouple
46 weeks ago

Pontypool

"Hell….. freeze…..over

Or hell get even hotter

I'm with Fabio.

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By *anforkinkywomen OP Man
46 weeks ago

Barwell

"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices.

I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed. "

It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want.

Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices

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By *ayPrimeMan
46 weeks ago

Leeds

"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices.

I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed.

It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want.

Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices "

You’re so close to self-awareness, just keep following that logic…

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Reform will be the only alternative option at the next general election.

A vote for the other parties is just a vote for the same uni party and another five years of economic stagnation and cultural and societal failure.

As for illegal immigration, Trump has stopped the illegal invasion of the US southern border overnight. Biden said it couldn’t be done.

The same is true in the UK and across the EU. The reason why mass immigration continues is because the uniparty wants it to continue. The tiny increase in GDP that mass immigration causes is the only way the uniparty can achieve any economic growth at all while pursuing its other failed economic policies.

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By *avinaTVTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Transsexual Transylvania

Dis alles net "swart gevaar"! En soos dit was, so is dit nog - alles 'n klomp kak!

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By *oubleswing2019Man
46 weeks ago

Colchester

What would need to happen for me to vote Reform ?

If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK.

What do I mean by that ?

Ok, I'll try and explain it the best I can.

1. We are all essentially "meat popsicles". Flesh, bone, blood.

2. We all have the same needs (Maslow's Hierarchy)

3. Where things start to break down is the "tribalism" of "culture". OUR people do this, but YOU people do that. This causes friction.

4. The "middle ground" of both peoples seek tolerance and peace, but the extremes at both ends are uncompromising. Unfortunately those extreme ends are shouty and dangerous.

"Culture", for all its merits up until now, has serious downsides too. I feel it's time to "dial back" the obsession with nationalistic "culture" and focus and replace with a more humanistic (Humanism) approach.

It's important to know where you came from and how you came to be, but it's even more important to know where you are going, as the past has gone, but future is unwritten.

Of course, Reform are not going to do that. People are still beholden d to the idea of a cultural identity. It's a straightjacket they wear to feel a sense of belonging and identity.

I'm just saying, "remove that straightjacket and you'll discover we're all just meat-popsicles underneath".

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By *hrill CollinsMan
46 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

for starter's reform is a misnomer .... there's no way i'm voting for a PLC business entity with a single share holder that has no facility for members to decide the policies of the corporation.

this country is already held to ransom far too much by private business to even begin to think about scrapping the modicum of democracy we have and replacing it with autocracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"for starter's reform is a misnomer .... there's no way i'm voting for a PLC business entity with a single share holder that has no facility for members to decide the policies of the corporation.

this country is already held to ransom far too much by private business to even begin to think about scrapping the modicum of democracy we have and replacing it with autocracy."

I guess businesses cant be holding the country to ransom that well or we wouldn’t have a government that couldn’t care less about business and is running things to benefit its mates in the public sector trade unions. Are businesses happy with the Labour government?

How would a Reform government that’s been elected in a general election (let’s say) be any less democratic than any other government? If you don’t like what they do, kick them out at the next election, as Labour will be. At the moment we have a government that was elected by under 20% of the electorate. It’s difficult to see that things could get much less democratic.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
46 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

groomed

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"What would need to happen for me to vote Reform ?

If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK.

..."

Your post makes a lot of points about 'culture', and how you consider it to be a bad thing. Surely then, Reform attempting to 'deculturise' the UK would be a good thing.

I'm not sure what it is that you think Reform are going to do that would be bad.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"I guess businesses cant be holding the country to ransom that well or we wouldn’t have a government that couldn’t care less about business and is running things to benefit its mates in the public sector trade unions. Are businesses happy with the Labour government?

"groomed"

As per usual, someone asks you to justify your argument, and you ignore the question and resort to personal abuse.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"for starter's reform is a misnomer ..."

How is it a misnomer? Reform are planning to make some quite significant changes, or to put it another way, make some 'reforms' to our political system. It seems to me that their name is quite apt.

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By *os19Man
46 weeks ago

Edmonton

The way we vote for a Prime Minister has got to change otherwise it’s pointless voting for Reform , Libs , Greens or any other parties.When it comes down to it it’s either Labour or Conservatives voting for anyone else is just a wasted vote unless voting tactically.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
46 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

groomed

As per usual, someone asks you to justify your argument, and you ignore the question and resort to personal abuse. "

no ... just the truth

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By *ayPrimeMan
46 weeks ago

Leeds

Our current government must have put a great deal of effort into upsetting so many people. I had no idea they could be so effective

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By *loscouplegl3Couple
46 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices.

I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed.

It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want.

Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices "
Sharia Law!?! Time to lose the paranoia

only a tiny minority of a tiny minority are doing that. Only 6% of us are Muslim and barely any of them come from Sharia ruled back grounds. Which is also irrelevant because it has no, none , zero relevance here.

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By *ayPrimeMan
46 weeks ago

Leeds

"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices.

I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed.

It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want.

Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices Sharia Law!?! Time to lose the paranoia

i was in a supermarket the other day an the man in front of me was an islam an he dint have enough money to pay for his grosserys and I paid for his grosserys an he said i was kind so he was goin to b kind to and warnd me that muslins want shania law

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By *oubleswing2019Man
46 weeks ago

Colchester

"What would need to happen for me to vote Reform ?

If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK.

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Your post makes a lot of points about 'culture', and how you consider it to be a bad thing. Surely then, Reform attempting to 'deculturise' the UK would be a good thing.

I'm not sure what it is that you think Reform are going to do that would be bad."

That is quite some feat to take my warnings about embedded culture and then present Reform as being the solution to deculturalise. Reform are "doubling down" on the jingoism and nationalism, not tearing it apart and consigning it to the dustbin.

Whilst you may not be sure what it is that I think about what Reform are going to do, that pales in to insignificance in to what much more learned and wise political experts far cleverer than you or I are warning. There is enough material out there to get a multi-opinioned overview.

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By *estivalMan
46 weeks ago

borehamwood

"for starter's reform is a misnomer .... there's no way i'm voting for a PLC business entity with a single share holder that has no facility for members to decide the policies of the corporation.

this country is already held to ransom far too much by private business to even begin to think about scrapping the modicum of democracy we have and replacing it with autocracy."
you live in a PLC

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By *illi3736Woman
46 weeks ago

Glasgow

To vote for Reform ? I would need to remove my powers of reason and responsibility and even then I would still know I was being conned.

So probably a total lobotomy and the removal of Farage may make me waver a little.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"What would need to happen for me to vote Reform ?

If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK.

..."

"Your post makes a lot of points about 'culture', and how you consider it to be a bad thing. Surely then, Reform attempting to 'deculturise' the UK would be a good thing.

I'm not sure what it is that you think Reform are going to do that would be bad."

"That is quite some feat to take my warnings about embedded culture and then present Reform as being the solution to deculturalise. Reform are "doubling down" on the jingoism and nationalism, not tearing it apart and consigning it to the dustbin."

It sounds to me that you think Reform are building up a nationalist culture. I'm still confused as to why you would describe them as having plans to deculturalise the UK.

I see 'deculturalise' as meaning "remove all sense of a unified culture". What did you intend it to mean?

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"Fed up of seeing boats of young men washing up on the shores, committee crimes, not Integrating and bringing views that are outdated and not inline with British values.

If they:

Stopped being funded by the fossil fuels industry, started to recognise and understand the science of climate change.

Stopped promoting fear and hate towards foreigners, immigrants, Muslims, etc.

Stopping promoting outrage over the LGBTQ+ community, pride events, rainbow flags etc.

Changed their stance on healthcare, social care and wanted to help the most vulnerable in society instead.

Got rid of their top tier, Farage, Tice, Lee Anderson etc. The entire Brexit crew.

Moved away from right wing popularism.

Had a realistic economic plan that made some kind of sense.

Stopped trying to divide the population, and actually represent the electorate.

Basically, to Vote Reform they would have to be completely different with who is in the party and pretty much every single policy and piece of rhetoric.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
46 weeks ago

Colchester

I see 'deculturalise' as meaning "remove all sense of a unified culture". What did you intend it to mean?"

I'm scratching my head wondering where on earth I said "Reform plan to "deculturalise" the UK.

So I read my initial post which said..

"If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK."

Sorry if I did not make it clearer, but perhaps I should have said..

"I might consider voting for Reform *IF* they completely pivot and introduced plans to "deculturalise" the UK."

Since that is not on their agenda, it's a moot point.

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By *uddy laneMan
46 weeks ago

dudley

It looks like reforms far right enlightenment is rubbing off on the other political parties.

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By *ipstick KissesWoman
46 weeks ago

Newry

I'd rather scoop my own eyes out with a rusty spoon, so I guess the answer would be nothing would make me vote Reform.

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By *uietbloke67Man
46 weeks ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

Perhaps if they told the truth, instead of hiding behind lies and hard luck stories.

But they can't tell their truth because it's not popular.

So never ...

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By *inkywife1981Couple
46 weeks ago

A town near you

If voting changed anything, they would make it illegal!

Not sure who coined that phrase but it's seems logical!!

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By *coptoCouple
46 weeks ago

Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth

What would need to happen for me to vote Reform?

I'd need to be convinced that any party policy/change/"reform"/project etc. wasn't simply set up to be the next Nigel Farage cash cow...

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"I'm scratching my head wondering where on earth I said "Reform plan to "deculturalise" the UK.

So I read my initial post which said..

"If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK."

Sorry if I did not make it clearer, but perhaps I should have said..

"I might consider voting for Reform *IF* they completely pivot and introduced plans to "deculturalise" the UK."

Since that is not on their agenda, it's a moot point."

It's now your fault, it's me. I've just been back and re-read your first post and it does indeed say what you said is does. Up to now I've been reading it as "If they completely pivot and renounce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK".

I apologise for confusing you with my nonsensical arguments.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"If they:

Stopped being funded by the fossil fuels industry, started to recognise and understand the science of climate change."

Can you point to evidence of Reform being directly funded by fossil fuel companies, or are you just inferring that from their stance on climate change?

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"If they:

Stopped being funded by the fossil fuels industry, started to recognise and understand the science of climate change.

Can you point to evidence of Reform being directly funded by fossil fuel companies, or are you just inferring that from their stance on climate change?"

There's a piece in the NYT that discussed just this entitled:

"A Threat on the Right to Britain’s Conservatives, as Donors Fund a Populist Rival"

You can peruse at your leisure and note the fossil fuels investors etc that donate to Reform.

But as mentioned, this is but one of the many things (ie pretty much everything) Reform would need to change to attract my vote.

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By *9alMan
46 weeks ago

Bridgend

I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
46 weeks ago

nearby

"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH "

We’ve just had a couple of substantial areas limited 20mph

I was wondering why is the problem with it.

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By *hirleyMan
46 weeks ago

Wine bar

Reform would need to tax the rich, and bring in more robust tax laws on avoidance.

Tax the ordinary man less, or at least get a better progressive tax system. Then reduce or remove all together the regressive taxes.

They won't though because it directly goes against the perogative of who's funding them

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By *aughtystaffs60Couple
46 weeks ago

Staffordshire

A firm commitment to ditch FPTP electoral voting and a fairer proportional voting system. That way a government like we are currently experiencing can never be voted in again.

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By *loscouplegl3Couple
46 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Culture is and always has been fluid and ever evolving. Unfortunately for you, it invariably gets more progressive and accepting of people’s lifestyle choices.

I doubt you nor I were even alive when the culture you’re cheerleading existed.

It's protecting people's lifestyle choices that I want.

Some of the illegals want sharia law. They don't care about others lifestyle choices Sharia Law!?! Time to lose the paranoia

Ha ha ha!

There you have it. Conclusive proof! A bloke you bumped into at the supermarket said so! Ha ha ha!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
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46 weeks ago

Central

I view the Reform Ltd Farage as a charlatan, so wouldn't, whilst alive. And this after the extensive damage that he's inflicted on this country.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"Reform would need to tax the rich, and bring in more robust tax laws on avoidance.

Tax the ordinary man less, or at least get a better progressive tax system. Then reduce or remove all together the regressive taxes."

One of Reform's policies is to increase the Income Tax threshold to £20,000. That'll help the ordinary man, and leave the rich paying a higher percentage of tax. Is that a step in the right direction?

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By *ulie.your. bottom. slutTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Near Glasgow

As the child of immigrants, born in this country, I could never vote for reform.

Right now, their target is the boat people. After that it will be the legal immigrants of colour. After that it will be remigration for British citizens who are second, third, even fourth generation immigrants of colour.

It would be like a Turkey voting for Christmas.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
46 weeks ago

Colchester

"I'm scratching my head wondering where on earth I said "Reform plan to "deculturalise" the UK.

So I read my initial post which said..

"If they completely pivot and announce their plans to "deculturalise" the UK."

Sorry if I did not make it clearer, but perhaps I should have said..

"I might consider voting for Reform *IF* they completely pivot and introduced plans to "deculturalise" the UK."

Since that is not on their agenda, it's a moot point.

I apologise for confusing you with my nonsensical arguments."

No worries. Having reread my initial post, I felt in hindsight it was worth clarifying.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
46 weeks ago

Colchester

"Reform would need to tax the rich, and bring in more robust tax laws on avoidance.

Tax the ordinary man less, or at least get a better progressive tax system. Then reduce or remove all together the regressive taxes.

In isolation to everything else, yes. In isolation.

Unfortunately, the rest of the baggage is toxic.

I'm not prepared to eat a shit sandwich on the promise there might be a shaving of chocolate in it

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By *hirleyMan
46 weeks ago

Wine bar

"Reform would need to tax the rich, and bring in more robust tax laws on avoidance.

Tax the ordinary man less, or at least get a better progressive tax system. Then reduce or remove all together the regressive taxes.

How will that make billionaires pay more tax? To pay for that, they will probably have to cut other public spending, which will likely make the poorest worse off.

It's like the American model; more money in your pocket, but fall on hard times and you're screwed. Farage is a fan of the US though, wants US style privatisation of NHS and all the vulture capitalism that comes with that.

I met a few Canadians recently, not socialists at all, not by a long stretch. They said that when they cross the border they laugh at all the advertisements/signposts for putting lawsuit claims in and the general parasitic nature of the place. States is one of the worst countries on the planet now unless you're a multi millionaire, like farage is...

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By *otlovefun42Couple
46 weeks ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

His policy, her policy, uncle Tom Cobbley's policy.

At this stage in the electoral cycle it's all just hot air.

At the moment people are looking for (to use my mothers old saying someone to "put t' cat among t' Pidgeon's".

With the current state of the Pidgeon's we're going to need a bigger cat.

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By *host63Man
46 weeks ago

Bedfont Feltham

How many boats have you seen wash up then?

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By *hrill CollinsMan
46 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH

We’ve just had a couple of substantial areas limited 20mph

I was wondering why is the problem with it. "

because the Telegraph says there is

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By *he Flat CapsCouple
46 weeks ago

Pontypool

"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH "

You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific.

I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
46 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH

You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific.

I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. "

(phonetic wenglish) .... aye, ee wansa reorpen orl a corl mines an force orla kids t'work down air? e's fukin mental but!

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH

You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific.

I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. "

I'd prefer both less road traffic deaths AND no Reform in power.

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By *007ManMan
46 weeks ago

Worthing

More policies regarding the economy. We know their stand on other topics such as immigration and net zero.

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By *exyornotMan
46 weeks ago

halifax

really hope so.......
"They would need to change their economic agenda. Farage is a Thatcherite."

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By *appyOldOneMan
46 weeks ago

West Midlands

When Satan's pulling on his ice skates after hanging up his Christmas decorations, I might look at them again...

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"Fed up of seeing boats of young men washing up on the shores, committee crimes, not Integrating and bringing views that are outdated and not inline with British values.

I wouldn't even consider it. They don't align with my values also being that they have none.

Do people like you ever worry about things like poverty ect or do you believe that all problems are due to the people you listed? Genuine question.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"As the child of immigrants, born in this country, I could never vote for reform.

It would be like a Turkey voting for Christmas. "

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH

You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific.

I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd. "

Thank you for saying this as I was about to!

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it.

I'd rather vote for the village cat.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

got to be better than these clowns in now . bring back boris

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By *he Flat CapsCouple
46 weeks ago

Pontypool

"I live in Wales I have been left with little option but to vote reform next year to get rid of 20 MPH

You're basing your whole political principle on a speed limit? That's, erm, specific.

I'd rather keep the 20mph than have Reform in the Senedd.

Thank you for saying this as I was about to! "

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"got to be better than these clowns in now . bring back boris "

That's hilarious.

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By *iman2100Man
46 weeks ago

Glasgow

For me to vote reform it would require a lobotomy. Experience has taught me that unqualified popularist politicians that gather support by making undeliverable promises about dealing with issues related to xenophobia are not going to be much good at the other 99.5% of Government work.

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46 weeks ago

"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it.

I'd rather vote for the village cat. "

Me too!

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By *aid backMan
46 weeks ago

by a lake with my rod out

A lobotomy

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By *eroy1000Man
46 weeks ago

milton keynes

If many of the posts on this thread are typical of the general population then Reform can expect quite a beating in forthcoming elections. Or the surgeon's will have been extremely busy with lobotomy operations

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By *estivalMan
46 weeks ago

borehamwood

Don't vote for any of the other party's so sure as shit won't be voting reform either

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"If many of the posts on this thread are typical of the general population then Reform can expect quite a beating in forthcoming elections. Or the surgeon's will have been extremely busy with lobotomy operations"

For my money this thread shows a resurgence of the phenomenon known back in 1992 as "shy Tory". Back then there were lots of people in the media talking about how Labour would definitely win the election. It was hard to find a voice saying otherwise. But Labour lost. It turned out that a lot of people had been planning to vote Tory, but didn't want to have an argument about it, so they stayed quiet.

In my view, a similar thing is happening now. In my view there are a lot of people that are strongly considering voting for Reform, but who don't want to say so because they'll get shouted down by those that hate the party. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Reform having a lot more support than the polls show.

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Reform would actually have to have a fulky costed manifesto before anyone sane would even contemplate voting for them.

If you read their current document everything is 'potential savings' and no evidence of how they'll fund all their suggestions.

The only thing in the whole document I agree with is scrapping HS2.

The rest is just nationalistic rhetoric and ramblings that they think will appeal to people. If they really think they'll reduce divorce rates by adjusting tax thresholds for married couples I have a bridge to sell them......🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
46 weeks ago

Hastings

Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on.

If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying?

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By *eroy1000Man
46 weeks ago

milton keynes

That's an interesting thought and possibility. They don't seem shy when it comes to the polling companies given that they are doing pretty well in that recently. On forums or in person discussions perhaps keeping quiet is a fair way to avoid conflict and possible abuse

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By *he Flat CapsCouple
46 weeks ago

Pontypool

I'd have to lose all my brain cells.

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By *hirleyMan
46 weeks ago

Wine bar

"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on.

If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying?

Scrapping HS2 is moronic.

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By *anforkinkywomen OP Man
46 weeks ago

Barwell

"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on.

If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying?

Scrapping HS2 is moronic.

Too far in to scrap it.

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on.

If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying?

Scrapping HS2 is moronic.

Too far in to scrap it. "

Half of it has already been scrapped.

When it eventually goes live in about 10 years the journey time from Birmingham to the centre of London will take the same time as it does now. Capacity may increase. Travel won't decrease. It's always been a vanity project and one that's more than doubled in cost. Without the full extension to Manchester it's pretty pointless.

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By *ike Hunt888Man
46 weeks ago

Lancashire.

The sun would have to come up in the morning for me to ever vote reform .

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By *arry and MegsCouple
46 weeks ago

Ipswich

If we were told an asteroid was going to destroy the planet in 12 days then I'd consider voting reform.

Otherwise ... Nah ... May as well scrap the government and have a free for all

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By *enisorousMan
46 weeks ago

sunderland

They get my vote..its time for change

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"They get my vote..its time for change"

Change is only good if it's in some way positive.

Do you have an example of the kind of change Reform would bring?

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By *hirleyMan
46 weeks ago

Wine bar

"Do you not think it would now cost more to scrap HS2 than 2 just carry on.

If contracts have been signed then companies will still want paying?

Scrapping HS2 is moronic.

Too far in to scrap it.

Half of it has already been scrapped.

Absolutely. I never said I wasn't filled with rage when rishi announced the northern leg would be scrapped.

But scrapping the whole thing is moronic. That money won't get diverted to other capital investment if scrapped, let alone massive national transport investment; something the UK apart from south east has lacked any of for 60 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

Latest polling:

REF UK 29% (+1)

CON 22% (+2)

LAB 21% (-3)

LIB DEM 13% (-1)

GREEN 9% (+2)

SNP 3% (nc)

Useless Labour falling behind even the useless Tories.

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By *arry and MegsCouple
46 weeks ago

Ipswich

"They get my vote..its time for change

Change is only good if it's in some way positive.

Do you have an example of the kind of change Reform would bring?"

Well they would implement brexit properly and we would get all the benefits farage promised

Wouldn't we

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"They get my vote..its time for change

Change is only good if it's in some way positive.

Do you have an example of the kind of change Reform would bring?

Well they would implement brexit properly and we would get all the benefits farage promised

Wouldn't we

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By *exyornotMan
46 weeks ago

halifax

I hope he is

"They would need to change their economic agenda. Farage is a Thatcherite."

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By *igsandyMan
46 weeks ago

ardrossan

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By *igsandyMan
46 weeks ago

ardrossan

"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it.

I'd rather vote for the village cat. "

Completely agree

And yes, Larry for prime minister

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By *ittleMissCali_MrDJCouple
46 weeks ago

wonderland.

"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it.

I'd rather vote for the village cat.

Completely agree

And yes, Larry for prime minister"
i am with this ... I wanted Larry to be available.

Luckily my local election didnt vote in reform but they have got control of our main council

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By * wheel drive tractorMan
46 weeks ago

North Lonsdon

Judging by recent opinion polls not a lot needs to happen. They are already in the lead which is a remarkable achievement from a standing start. Part privatisation of the health service will improve the service to the public. The NHS should be run for the benefit of the public, not those who work in it. Every other European countrry has a part privatised health service. . At least reform has a vision of the future , compares the UK to other countries and is prepared to take action.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
46 weeks ago

Leigh

The biggest danger is what happened at the last election. Reform and the Tories split the sensible voters leaving the current dangerous and incompetent government to get a second term by default.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
46 weeks ago

East Sussex

"If Reform was the only option on the ballot paper I'd wipe my arse with it and flush it.

I'd rather vote for the village cat.

Completely agree

And yes, Larry for prime minister i am with this ... I wanted Larry to be available.

Luckily my local election didnt vote in reform but they have got control of our main council

They have Kent County Council

I'm watching with interest and a face like this 😱

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"The biggest danger is what happened at the last election. Reform and the Tories split the sensible voters leaving the current dangerous and incompetent government to get a second term by default."

Panicking about foreigners, pretending science isn't real and transferring wealth and power from ordinary people to those at the top is "sensible"?

Amazing.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
46 weeks ago

nearby

2402 arrivals in small boats this last week

What are Labour doing.

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Judging by recent opinion polls not a lot needs to happen. They are already in the lead which is a remarkable achievement from a standing start. Part privatisation of the health service will improve the service to the public. The NHS should be run for the benefit of the public, not those who work in it. Every other European countrry has a part privatised health service. . At least reform has a vision of the future , compares the UK to other countries and is prepared to take action. "

Their manifesto days that people will get a voucher for private treatment if the can't see their GP in 3 days, a consultant in 3 weeks and a surgeon on 9 weeks.

The private sector doesn't have the capacity to meet existing waiting lists let alone any future needs. And they've given zero details how this would be funded.

Much like every other 'policy'. It's all guestimates, soundbites and words designed to garner support rather than any costed, workable actions.

Some of the manifesto content isnt even possible from a practical, legal and financial point of view. But people fall for it and actually believe it will be done.

Much like the brexit promises made pre referendum.....🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
46 weeks ago

Carlisle usually

Uhh...

A lobotomy maybe? 💜

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
46 weeks ago

West Suffolk

Their manifesto days that people will get a voucher for private treatment if the can't see their GP in 3 days, a consultant in 3 weeks and a surgeon on 9 weeks.

The private sector doesn't have the capacity to meet existing waiting lists let alone any future needs. And they've given zero details how this would be funded.

Much like every other 'policy'. It's all guestimates, soundbites and words designed to garner support rather than any costed, workable actions.

Some of the manifesto content isnt even possible from a practical, legal and financial point of view. But people fall for it and actually believe it will be done.

Much like the brexit promises made pre referendum.....🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️"

I agree with a lot of that, but it’s exactly the same as what Labour are doing. They just announced £300 billion extra spending, cuts that will save maybe one or two billion and £119 billion of extra borrowing. No mention of where the other £180 billion will come from and if it’s tax, that will have to be from basic rate income tax and/or a massive increase in VAT. My guess is 2% on basic tax, 5% on the middle and top rate and 2% on VAT.

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Their manifesto days that people will get a voucher for private treatment if the can't see their GP in 3 days, a consultant in 3 weeks and a surgeon on 9 weeks.

The private sector doesn't have the capacity to meet existing waiting lists let alone any future needs. And they've given zero details how this would be funded.

Much like every other 'policy'. It's all guestimates, soundbites and words designed to garner support rather than any costed, workable actions.

Some of the manifesto content isnt even possible from a practical, legal and financial point of view. But people fall for it and actually believe it will be done.

Much like the brexit promises made pre referendum.....🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

This is a useful read. The figures look daunting, but that's how they'll always come across to many as they see a Spending Review in the same terms as an annual budget, which it isnt in any way shape or form.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-five-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-spending-review-13381750

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By *ctionSandwichCouple
46 weeks ago

Newcastle under Lyme

Voting hasn't been working and civil war against establishment is looking mighty tempting. That said, Reform appear to be reviewing pointless DEI wastage in Staffordshire and roads that have been bad for months got fixed this month. Well probably give them a punt as a last ditch bit we expect they'll end up being just another puppet of the establishment.

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Voting hasn't been working and civil war against establishment is looking mighty tempting. That said, Reform appear to be reviewing pointless DEI wastage in Staffordshire and roads that have been bad for months got fixed this month. Well probably give them a punt as a last ditch bit we expect they'll end up being just another puppet of the establishment."

Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂

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By *ctionSandwichCouple
46 weeks ago

Newcastle under Lyme

Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂"

Repairing pot holes doesn't need months of planning. Councils can do reactive repairs on simpler defects at much shorter notice.

Alot of folk in Staffordshire county Council have been signing up to their union as they can see the writing may be on the wall for some of them. Hopefully it is because they're an appalling council.

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂

Repairing pot holes doesn't need months of planning. Councils can do reactive repairs on simpler defects at much shorter notice.

Alot of folk in Staffordshire county Council have been signing up to their union as they can see the writing may be on the wall for some of them. Hopefully it is because they're an appalling council."

One of reforms policies is to leave the ECHR. Which if that happened would remove the legal protection of the right to join a trade union. Combined with a statement of intent in the manifesto to 'cut red tape' in relation to hiring and firing....and I'd be joining a union too if I was a council employee. 🤷‍♂️

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
46 weeks ago

West Suffolk

Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂"

The bigger stuff is but pot holes can form, worsen, get tagged and fixed within a few weeks. Or left forever of course 🤣

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂

The bigger stuff is but pot holes can form, worsen, get tagged and fixed within a few weeks. Or left forever of course 🤣"

Yep. And usually rush job maintenance to quieten complaints that needs doing again a few weeks later......

But it does make for good PR sometimes. 🤷‍♂️

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
46 weeks ago

West Suffolk

Road maintenance is planned months if not years in advance. I doubt somehow them winning recent local elections had any influence on those pot holes. 😉😂

The bigger stuff is but pot holes can form, worsen, get tagged and fixed within a few weeks. Or left forever of course 🤣

Yep. And usually rush job maintenance to quieten complaints that needs doing again a few weeks later......

But it does make for good PR sometimes. 🤷‍♂️"

Agree totally. In a village near us someone had the idea to paint a cock and balls on all the pot holes overnight. They were fixed within days

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Crawley Down

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
46 weeks ago

Crawley Down

I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

But in a leaked recording obtained by Sky News, Chris Philp, now shadow home secretary, said Britain's exit from the EU - and end of UK participation in the Dublin agreement which governs EU-wide asylum claims - meant they realised they "can't any longer rely on sending people back to the place where they first claimed asylum".

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame.

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By *agan_guyMan
46 weeks ago

nearby

Nothing would see me voting for those con men.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. "

Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew.

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By *eroy1000Man
46 weeks ago

milton keynes

"2402 arrivals in small boats this last week

What are Labour doing. "

Labour are smashing the gangs remember.

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By *amish SMan
46 weeks ago

Eastleigh

Reforms policies are immaterial and of little consequence. History old and more recent has shown that parties like Reform do well when the other parties policies are ineffective and or unpopular. Politics globally is changing, and in the next few days the global picture will change again as the USA is going to become a country of total insignificance and just sleepy backwater state sandwiched between two oceans.

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By *amish SMan
46 weeks ago

Eastleigh

"2402 arrivals in small boats this last week

What are Labour doing.

Labour are smashing the gangs remember. "

Labours business model to smash gangs, let more in and boat rides become cheaper and gangs make less money. Typical labour business plan that is.

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By * wheel drive tractorMan
46 weeks ago

North Lonsdon

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame.

Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew."
. Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country .

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame.

Judging by this thread. A sizeable portion of the population actively like being lied to by the likes of the Brexit crew.. Or maybe people simply analyse facts and come to their own conclusions. We can amend a few laws and commence an active programme of both deportation and refusal of entry of those who have no legal right to enter the country . "

Which laws were you thinking of?

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
46 weeks ago

West Suffolk

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame.

We already have the right to deport anyone who doesn’t have the right to be here. The problem a lot of the time is the country they are from denies they are their citizens and refuse to accept them.

The irony is if the migrant was fleeing persecution, their home country would love to get them back. So this kinda proves what a bunch of lying freeloaders they were in the first place.

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46 weeks ago

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame.

Exactly. People believed this kind of shite.

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By *layful Sub BratWoman
46 weeks ago

Greater London

I would NEVER vote for such a disgusting party.

I would also never want to play with anyone who supported such a disgusting party , either. 🤮

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame.

The irony is if the migrant was fleeing persecution, their home country would love to get them back. So this kinda proves what a bunch of lying freeloaders they were in the first place. "

No. We really don't.

"International law (specifically the 1951 Refugee Convention) prevents returning refugees to countries where they face persecution or threats to their life or freedom."

There are specific circumstances where people can be returned to their country of origin.

"Refusal of Asylum Claim:

If an asylum seeker's claim is assessed and deemed unfounded, their application will be refused, and they may be subject to return.

Withdrawal of Claim:

An asylum seeker can withdraw their claim, which can also lead to their return.

Third-Country Provisions:

Under certain agreements (like the Dublin Regulation in the EU), an asylum seeker can be returned to a country they previously passed through, where their claim should have been processed. *no longer applicable to the UK due to brexit of course*

Criminality or Threat to Public Safety:

If an asylum seeker is found to have committed a crime or is deemed a threat to public safety, they may be deported and returned."

We can't just choose to.

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By *iseekingbiCouple
46 weeks ago

N ireland and West Midlands

Full lobotomy

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By *ggdrasil66Man
46 weeks ago

Saltdean

I would, will, always will vote REFORM UK. The only political party in this country that is worth voting for. Nigel for PM!

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame. "

The Dublin Agreements meant that we could return some immigrants if they'd previously made an asylum claim in the EU. We never returned more than 2,500 people in a year, and in every year that it ran we had more people returned to us than we sent to the EU.

So it only applied to a small percentage of arrivals, and overall it resulted in more people arriving, but yes, it was ended by Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"I would, will, always will vote REFORM UK. The only political party in this country that is worth voting for. Nigel for PM!"

Always some comedy gold in this thread to brighten my day.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
46 weeks ago

nearby

"I would, will, always will vote REFORM UK. The only political party in this country that is worth voting for. Nigel for PM!"

Record numbers of small boats this year over last year, a 35% increase. ‘Stop the boats’, will Reform be chatting shit like Labour

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
46 weeks ago

West Suffolk

"I thought Brexit has stopped us sending them back to europe.

Boris Johnson repeatedly told the public that Brexit would mean taking back control of Britain's borders and migration system.

So anyone who voted for Brexit, you only have yourselves to blame.

The irony is if the migrant was fleeing persecution, their home country would love to get them back. So this kinda proves what a bunch of lying freeloaders they were in the first place.

No. We really don't.

"International law (specifically the 1951 Refugee Convention) prevents returning refugees to countries where they face persecution or threats to their life or freedom."

There are specific circumstances where people can be returned to their country of origin.

"Refusal of Asylum Claim:

If an asylum seeker's claim is assessed and deemed unfounded, their application will be refused, and they may be subject to return.

Withdrawal of Claim:

An asylum seeker can withdraw their claim, which can also lead to their return.

Third-Country Provisions:

Criminality or Threat to Public Safety:

If an asylum seeker is found to have committed a crime or is deemed a threat to public safety, they may be deported and returned."

We can't just choose to. "

Exactly, those people have no right to be here which is exactly what I said.

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"I would, will, always will vote REFORM UK. The only political party in this country that is worth voting for. Nigel for PM!

Record numbers of small boats this year over last year, a 35% increase. ‘Stop the boats’, will Reform be chatting shit like Labour "

Why would Reform want to do anything about immigration or small boat crossings?

Most of their supporters seem to live in a state of permanent panic about foreigners. So why would they take away their main source of support.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
46 weeks ago

Gilfach

"Why would Reform want to do anything about immigration or small boat crossings?

Most of their supporters seem to live in a state of permanent panic about foreigners. So why would they take away their main source of support."

Does that also explain why Labour have done very little about the issue, because their supporters are all in a racist fervour?

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By *igCatHuntingMan
46 weeks ago

London

An extremely long list of extremely unlikely things.

Best summed up as not a chance, ever.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
46 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

About as much chance of me voting Tory.

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By *ctionSandwichCouple
46 weeks ago

Newcastle under Lyme

Empty excuses and nothing more. Here's a thought; Imagine what would happen if the government did make trade unions illegal...

Also, unions aren't protected under EHCR in Australia yet still they exist...

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By *bi HaiveMan
46 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Empty excuses and nothing more. Here's a thought; Imagine what would happen if the government did make trade unions illegal...

Also, unions aren't protected under EHCR in Australia yet still they exist..."

It's not unions that are protected.

It's the right to join one.

There's a massive difference. 😉

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By (user no longer on site)
46 weeks ago

"Why would Reform want to do anything about immigration or small boat crossings?

Most of their supporters seem to live in a state of permanent panic about foreigners. So why would they take away their main source of support.

Does that also explain why Labour have done very little about the issue, because their supporters are all in a racist fervour?"

Don't understand the question sorry.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
46 weeks ago

West Suffolk

What I find quirky in this thread is those on the left of politics would never vote for reform, I get that. But some of the comments seem to be like they don’t consider Reform to be a real threat to Labour, despite the opinion polls and local election results. Like it’s the monster raving loney party we’re talking about.

Having said the above, the Labour government clearly see them as a threat as they are backtracking and doing u turns left right and centre since the local elections. On topics they have been absolutely adamant about for months.

Anyway, my answer to the original question is….. I live in one of the safest conservative seats in the country. I wouldn’t risk splitting the vote and risk letting the seat fall to the Lib Dem’s.

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By *illi3736Woman
46 weeks ago

Glasgow

The rise of Reform is proof that the British are just as gullible and lacking critical facilities as our American friends. If you believe man of the people Farage you are obviously not watching what happens when rich ex market workers have the reins of power. Oh and mind how after Brexit all the leaders of that shit show moved their money out of the uk. Yes conmen who will use us to pay for their market manipulation.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
45 weeks ago

Gilfach

"Oh and mind how after Brexit all the leaders of that shit show moved their money out of the uk. Yes conmen who will use us to pay for their market manipulation."

Do you have access to Farage's investment portfolio? How do you know that he moved all his money out of the UK?

Ignoring that, if it had been market manipulation, they would have moved their money before the vote. Moving money after the event is just reacting to news.

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By (user no longer on site)
45 weeks ago

Latest Ipsos poll has Reform on 35%, Labour on 25, Tories on 15.

Reform majority of 64.

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By *luttTV/TS
45 weeks ago

Duns

Some sort of serious head injury, I’d imagine.

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By *oleraine-coupleCouple
45 weeks ago

Coleraine

A lobotomy

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By *ootyhunter69Man
45 weeks ago

bushey

If they paid off my mortgage

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By *lex46TV/TS
45 weeks ago

Near Wells

At the moment, Labour and Conservatives just need to keep doing the same thing. This is surely the worst performance of any newly elected government in their first year. Nobody seems happy with either of the two main parties .

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By *ony 2016Man
45 weeks ago

lincs /Hudd & Derby cinema

Kicked in the head by a horse

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By *immyTaylorMan
45 weeks ago

pickering

I agree

It's only the threat of Reform that's driving change.

Starmer has back tracked on the enquiry and the benefits.

If he doesn't get a grip on the influx of economic migrants labour is toast.

Ironically, the Labour majority is because Reform split the Tory vote.

I'd say if Reform ever got into office it would shake up British Politics as much has DT has in the US - Something needs to be done - we can have an NHS and a benefit system but we can't have open borders

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By (user no longer on site)
45 weeks ago

Total loss of my mental capacity.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
45 weeks ago

East Sussex

"Total loss of my mental capacity."

that made me laugh

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By (user no longer on site)
45 weeks ago

"Kicked in the head by a horse "

Funniest moment in radio history

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By (user no longer on site)
45 weeks ago

"I agree

It's only the threat of Reform that's driving change.

Starmer has back tracked on the enquiry and the benefits.

If he doesn't get a grip on the influx of economic migrants labour is toast.

Ironically, the Labour majority is because Reform split the Tory vote.

I've got good news for you. We don't have open boarders. Phew.

So no need to vote for those science denying, foreigner-blaming, self servicing pricks.

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By *estructionDollyWoman
45 weeks ago

Manchester

Hell would have to freeze over for me to vote for Reform. Ten times over.

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By *andS66Couple
45 weeks ago

Derby

A General Election.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
45 weeks ago

Hastings

"A General Election."

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By *ornucopiaMan
45 weeks ago

Bexley

The Fancy Dress Party or the Monster Raving Loony Party not having a local candidate!

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By *hirleyMan
45 weeks ago

Wine bar

As I suspect, reform are the party for the rich.

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/06/23/britannia-card-tax-cost-uk/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-reform-britannia-card-robin-hood-tax-b2774957.html

If you're not a millionaire and you vote reform, you're sadly misguided, to put it politely.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
45 weeks ago

Gilfach

"As I suspect, reform are the party for the rich.

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/06/23/britannia-card-tax-cost-uk/"

How is that for the rich? Rich people already here can't use it.

It's a scheme to attract foreign entrepreneurs here. They'll have to live here, which means paying tax here on all their UK earnings. The alternative is to not allow them to pay £250,000, to not come here to live, and to not pay any taxes here. How is that better?

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By (user no longer on site)
45 weeks ago

A unity party that’s all. An illusion of democracy.

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By *izandpaulCouple
45 weeks ago

merseyside

At my age I've seen them all in power, Tories, Labour a mix of them.

Not one has made a difference to any real extent in my life.

Everything I have now was down to me or us.

If you want a better home, more money etc you need to do it yourself. Not kid yourself a political party will somehow wave a magic wand and your life will change.

The only time a political party will change your life is if you are very, very rich or very, very poor and I think I'm worth more than having some condescending politician throw a few scraps of tax cuts etc at me and expect me to say thank you kindly sir.

The majority are as bad as each other.

If all these problems we have had over many, many years had an easy fix, don't you think each of the parties in power would have fixed it and proclaimed they are the only ones who could.

At best, they tinker around the edges and blame the previous gang for making such a mess even the new gang in power can't mop it up.

It's all quite sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
45 weeks ago

you would have to be nuts to vote reform when they sell off the NHS you will all have to start paying health insurance once its gone it cant be got back look at water what the Tories did selling it off on the cheap or Electricity we pay the highest in Europe for electricity and who owns uk's services foreign governments and pension funds

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By *ubcuckpupMan
45 weeks ago

Manchester

Hell to freeze over

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
45 weeks ago

Gilfach

"... when they sell off the NHS you will all have to start paying health insurance ..."

We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance.

"... once its gone it cant be got back ..."

Why not? There was a time before the NHS, and we managed to build one. Why couldn't we do that again?

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By *rHotNottsMan
45 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Well, I don’t vote at all & don’t believe voting or which party thinks they are in control makes the slightest bit of difference so this issue.

So if they do something useful for me like pay me some money a few hundred K maybe they could happily have a vote from me

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By *inky PerkyCouple
45 weeks ago

Narnia

I'd take Reform more seriously if they showed us the sums. It's easy to say "abolish business rates and raise all the tax thresholds", but unless you can show where you'd get the money from instead, it's all just more sloganeering. Show us the sums for offshoring asylum claimants whilst you're at it- That policy is modelled on the Australian one and ended up costing the equivalent of a million pounds per person.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
45 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance.

national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
45 weeks ago

Gilfach

"We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance."

"national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage."

The word you're looking for is "hypothecated", and no National insurance isn't a hypothecated tax, but it was increased when the NHS was created to help pay for it.

Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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45 weeks ago

East Sussex

"We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance.

national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage.

The word you're looking for is "hypothecated", and no National insurance isn't a hypothecated tax, but it was increased when the NHS was created to help pay for it.

Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance."

I think that's optimistic. I dread to think how much mine would be at 68 with hypothyroidism. Or my 98 year old father with prostate cancer.

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By *inky PerkyCouple
45 weeks ago

Narnia

Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance."

And you think that would end up cheaper???

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By *hirleyMan
45 weeks ago

Wine bar

"We already pay health insurance, it's just they call it National Insurance.

national insurance isn't ring fenced to pay for the nhs, it pays for a multitude of things. the rump of the nhs budget comes from other taxes, so no you're talking garbage.

The word you're looking for is "hypothecated", and no National insurance isn't a hypothecated tax, but it was increased when the NHS was created to help pay for it.

Either way, we currently pay for the NHS, and abolishing it would mean that taxes could be significantly cut, which will help us all to pay for our health insurance.

I think that's optimistic. I dread to think how much mine would be at 68 with hypothyroidism. Or my 98 year old father with prostate cancer. "

Refer to the US; where people living in slums because they can't pay for their medication or treatment with chronic illnesses and life threatening condition. Low taxes, but f**ked when you need the state to back you.

No thanks.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
45 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

I think that's optimistic. I dread to think how much mine would be at 68 with hypothyroidism. Or my 98 year old father with prostate cancer. "

it's not just optimism, it's complete and utter delusion borne of ignorance

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By *ennineTopMan
45 weeks ago

York

A shift to an insurance scheme for health care could eventually lead to the horrors of the US system but the inital step is to establish the idea that everyone contributes the same amount of money to healthcare instead of it being paid for out of general taxation.

So the NHS is paid for by an individual levy. In other words rich people would pay the same amount as poor people.

It's the right-wing dream of moving towards a flat taxation system where extremely wealthy people pay say 0.00001% and poor people pay say 30% of their income towards public services.

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By *mateur100Man
45 weeks ago

nr faversham

It's already happened. The Tories were shite, Labour promised much but they were just lies. This floating voter is happy to give reform a chance and, barring a comeback from Boris, I don't see any other result

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By *ik MMan
45 weeks ago

Lancashire

I think this thread has been a successful promotion for Reform and illuminating for anyone considering voting that way.

The loudest voices against have been the ones who in the main in recent years have backed every dead horse and lame duck, were insistent that Labour would do a better job, have fallen for every complicity theory going and are so woefully out of touch I do wonder if they’ve already had lobotomies without realising.

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By *roadShoulderzMan
45 weeks ago

Petersfield

I would vote for Reform to see if Garbage lasted longer than Truss as PM which I very much doubt.

Bondholders got rid of her after 49 days and her economics are lot more sound than Garbage's and his bag carrier Tice.

Bring it on...

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