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"I would be keen to connect with people whose politics are more right leaning. " How much of a lean, how far right do you lean. a look over the shoulder lean or a moto gp scrapping the shoulder lean. | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right." Is there any further right than hard right? | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right." I find that those who consider this “hard right” are likely to be hard left and so any centre right views seem extreme when you are looking at them from way over on the left side. | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right." "Is there any further right than hard right?" I suppose there's extreme right, and some people might want to suggest the chap's views are extreme. But I'm guessing it'll be a mixture of 'centre-right' and 'hard-right'. I wonder who'll spot the left parts of that chap's views. | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right. Is there any further right than hard right? I suppose there's extreme right, and some people might want to suggest the chap's views are extreme. But I'm guessing it'll be a mixture of 'centre-right' and 'hard-right'. I wonder who'll spot the left parts of that chap's views." There was one, I think. | |||
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"well you came to the correct place considering 95% of the politics forum users are rightwing extremists, totalitarians and falangists. "Falangists ! Surely even you weren't around in the 30s ? | |||
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"well you came to the correct place considering 95% of the politics forum users are rightwing extremists, totalitarians and falangists." Have you not considered the possibility that 95% of the forum users are normal, and that it's you that's the extremist? | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how many people consider those views to be mildly right, and how many go for hard right. Is there any further right than hard right? I suppose there's extreme right, and some people might want to suggest the chap's views are extreme. But I'm guessing it'll be a mixture of 'centre-right' and 'hard-right'. I wonder who'll spot the left parts of that chap's views." I’d consider myself to be pretty extremely left wing. The views of the OP aren’t even close to the hard right or the far right. And I don’t think anyone would mistake them for that. | |||
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"well you came to the correct place considering 95% of the politics forum users are rightwing extremists, totalitarians and falangists. "Mmmmm, I love the left wing approach to over exaggerated the right in an attempt to suggest a risk or threat. And it can never be that it is simply right leaning policy supporters… you feel the need to badge them (me too maybe) as extremists, totalitarians and falangists. Really, are you so certain that unless you open the borders to every disenfranchised individual and ensure that we are all taxed to a homogeneous mediocrity, you are the next Hitler? OMG, how our education system has failed our nation. | |||
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"The left-right dynamic is a confusing one these days as the left has adopted so many ideas traditionally associated with the right" Nah, I think there are still the same basic differences as there have been for generations.. Equailty v hierachy Rights v order Modernism v tradition Secularism v religion Republicanism v monarchy Internationalism v nationalism Social protection v individual responsibiity Diversity v stability Pacifism v militarism Views on the right have changed on things like feminism, divorce, mixed-race marriage and homosexuality though. | |||
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" Nah, I think there are still the same basic differences as there have been for generations.. Views on the right have changed on things like feminism, divorce, mixed-race marriage and homosexuality though. " Equailty v hierachy You can’t have true equality, that’s the issue. There has to be some for of hierarchy Rights v order Only those on the far left would say those on the right want to take your rights away. Order is not a bad thing Modernism v tradition Craving 1970s socialism isn’t being modern. Abandoning traditions is not always a good thing Secularism v religion Republicanism v monarchy I think both of these are equally spread on both sides of the political divide Internationalism v nationalism Again, these are extremes. Putting foreign national before your own people is not noble, it’s just a different form of selfishness Social protection v individual responsibiity The middle ground here is what most want, again it’s the extremes that want to make us choose Diversity v stability Having a diverse unstable society is in nobody’s interests Pacifism v militarism This one I 100% agree with. The left would be happy to give away our country where the right want to defend it. | |||
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right." Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right. I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain” It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. | |||
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right. Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right. I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain” It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. " If I quoted other things Churchill said I’d be banned from the forum such was the nastiness of many of his views. | |||
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" If I quoted other things Churchill said I’d be banned from the forum such was the nastiness of many of his views. " Attributed (genuine) quotes in the context of academic debate will not get your banned. | |||
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right. Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right. I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain” It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. " That was his opinion, and if that were true, all of the older population would not be socialist. That simply isn't the case. | |||
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"I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain”" "That was his opinion, and if that were true, all of the older population would not be socialist. That simply isn't the case." No, he was quite clear, there would be socialists over 40, it's just that they were all fools (was his opinion). | |||
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"I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain” That was his opinion, and if that were true, all of the older population would not be socialist. That simply isn't the case. No, he was quite clear, there would be socialists over 40, it's just that they were all fools (was his opinion)." Fair point. | |||
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right. Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right. I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain” It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. " Well put. | |||
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"My post wasn't an argument that left was better than right, it was just responding another poster's claim that the left has shifted to the right. Ideology doesn’t move, only people’s opinions. People very often become more moderate as they mature. Left will always be left and right will always be right. I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you don’t have a brain” It can sound insulting on first reading but I’m not sure it was intended to be. I think a lot of young people have a great deal of regard for the greater good with less thought on how to pay for it. As we mature we realise there just isn’t the money. If I quoted other things Churchill said I’d be banned from the forum such was the nastiness of many of his views. " The same is true of many other politicians, who like all of us, are flawed. I hope you and I are measured on our aggregated contribution and not simply on single events, lest they catch us on a bad day… or is it just me that makes mistakes? | |||
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" I believe it was Churchill who said “if you’re not a socialist at 18yo you don’t have a heart and if you’re still a socialist at 40 you " It's an interesting anecdote, but when Churchill was a young Tory, he was so angered by the anti-immigration 'Aliens Act' of 1905, that he went and sat on the Liberal Party benches for a while. | |||
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