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"The new live action version of Snow White has received awful reviews and disappointed at the Box Office, which is partly being blamed on the outspoken political views of its star. Interesting it has been beaten at the Box Office by the new film starring very non woke Jason Statham. Is this another example of the fading appeal of woke politics in the US and elsewhere?" I never found the forced think woke appealing at all. | |||
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"Is it just me finding it slight ironic and a bit funny that Snow White a fictional character seems to have produced such 'snowflakery'..
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"The lead actress is a narcissist bitch. The film is woke bollocks, fuck Disney!!" I don't know anything about her except her political statements and I'm not into personal abuse. I just think its interesting that the reaction against 'woke' has gone so mainstream. | |||
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"The lead actress is a narcissist bitch. The film is woke bollocks, fuck Disney!! I don't know anything about her except her political statements and I'm not into personal abuse. I just think its interesting that the reaction against 'woke' has gone so mainstream." Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority, Mrs x | |||
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"The lead actress is a narcissist bitch. The film is woke bollocks, fuck Disney!! I don't know anything about her except her political statements and I'm not into personal abuse. I just think its interesting that the reaction against 'woke' has gone so mainstream.Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority, Mrs x" I think that's well put Mrs N, especially when it comes to family entertainment. | |||
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"Is it just me finding it slight ironic and a bit funny that Snow White a fictional character seems to have produced such 'snowflakery'..
From which quarter ?"Up there.. | |||
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"The lead actress is a narcissist bitch. The film is woke bollocks, fuck Disney!! I don't know anything about her except her political statements and I'm not into personal abuse. I just think its interesting that the reaction against 'woke' has gone so mainstream.Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority, Mrs x" If you listen to them then yes, same as if you listen to 'influencers' or advertising.. Most of them talk bollocks and as with any view point they thrive on the reactions they cause.. | |||
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"Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority. Mrs x" If a "minority" are being abused by a majority, then it should come as no surprise that said minority will indeed want to effect change. There are so many classic examples throughout history where a persecuted minority group has said, "Please stop doing that us and treat us with respect." Even Christianity was a persecuted and minority religion at one point, until it swept power structures away in Rome and further beyond. It will fall too eventually as all things do, and make way for something new (or more likely co-exist with other religions in certain places). I don't feel it's a case of the majority being fed up with being told how to think or speak. I feel it is more a case that some fear losing their privilege and power, and the idea of sharing power with others less advantaged and/or oppressed means they will lose something. . I think the most significant song I heard this year is by a band called "Bodycount" (fronted by Ice-T). The song was called "No Lives Matter". . It's a sobering song with a very real and serious message. | |||
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"The new live action version of Snow White has received awful reviews and disappointed at the Box Office, which is partly being blamed on the outspoken political views of its star. Interesting it has been beaten at the Box Office by the new film starring very non woke Jason Statham. Is this another example of the fading appeal of woke politics in the US and elsewhere?" If you can point me in the direction of a good Disney live action remake it would be the first… They are awful period… nothing to do with the rest of the shit | |||
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"The new live action version of Snow White has received awful reviews and disappointed at the Box Office, which is partly being blamed on the outspoken political views of its star. Interesting it has been beaten at the Box Office by the new film starring very non woke Jason Statham. Is this another example of the fading appeal of woke politics in the US and elsewhere? If you can point me in the direction of a good Disney live action remake it would be the first… They are awful period… nothing to do with the rest of the shit " Go woke, Go Broke Fabio  | |||
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"The new live action version of Snow White has received awful reviews and disappointed at the Box Office, which is partly being blamed on the outspoken political views of its star. Interesting it has been beaten at the Box Office by the new film starring very non woke Jason Statham. Is this another example of the fading appeal of woke politics in the US and elsewhere? If you can point me in the direction of a good Disney live action remake it would be the first… They are awful period… nothing to do with the rest of the shit " Rachel Zegler has brought a lot of bad publicity to the film, she seems awfully naive. Secondly, if Disney feels the original Snow White is so outdated or problematic that it needed to be completely rewritten, why remake it at all? Going a step further, if the concept and theme of Snow White is so harmful to society today, surely the best thing to do is to remove it from the back catalogue. However, the fact that Disney continue to merchandise the original indicates that the storyline and messaging are still appreciated by children and adults today. Perhaps it isn’t as problematic as Disney and Rachel Zegler seem to claim. | |||
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"It feels like wealthy, privileged white men do not want change." Wealthy privileged white men, who are these people? Disney execs, movie critics or movie goers. | |||
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"It feels like wealthy, privileged white men do not want change. Wealthy privileged white men, who are these people? Disney execs, movie critics or movie goers. " Only rich white men go to see Disney movies, that's well established.🤣 | |||
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"One reviewer said: 'If this film was being shown on a plane, I would still walk out.'" What a great review, funny haha, Mrs x | |||
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"Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority. Mrs x If a "minority" are being abused by a majority, then it should come as no surprise that said minority will indeed want to effect change. There are so many classic examples throughout history where a persecuted minority group has said, "Please stop doing that us and treat us with respect." Even Christianity was a persecuted and minority religion at one point, until it swept power structures away in Rome and further beyond. It will fall too eventually as all things do, and make way for something new (or more likely co-exist with other religions in certain places). I don't feel it's a case of the majority being fed up with being told how to think or speak. I feel it is more a case that some fear losing their privilege and power, and the idea of sharing power with others less advantaged and/or oppressed means they will lose something. . I think the most significant song I heard this year is by a band called "Bodycount" (fronted by Ice-T). The song was called "No Lives Matter". . It's a sobering song with a very real and serious message. " Which minority are being abused? Mrs x | |||
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"Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority. Mrs x If a "minority" are being abused by a majority, then it should come as no surprise that said minority will indeed want to effect change. There are so many classic examples throughout history where a persecuted minority group has said, "Please stop doing that us and treat us with respect." Even Christianity was a persecuted and minority religion at one point, until it swept power structures away in Rome and further beyond. It will fall too eventually as all things do, and make way for something new (or more likely co-exist with other religions in certain places). I don't feel it's a case of the majority being fed up with being told how to think or speak. I feel it is more a case that some fear losing their privilege and power, and the idea of sharing power with others less advantaged and/or oppressed means they will lose something. . I think the most significant song I heard this year is by a band called "Bodycount" (fronted by Ice-T). The song was called "No Lives Matter". . It's a sobering song with a very real and serious message. Which minority are being abused? Mrs x" You previous message said, "Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority." Which majority and which minority were you referring to ? | |||
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"One reviewer said: 'If this film was being shown on a plane, I would still walk out.'" That's fairly novel.. | |||
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"Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority. Mrs x If a "minority" are being abused by a majority, then it should come as no surprise that said minority will indeed want to effect change. There are so many classic examples throughout history where a persecuted minority group has said, "Please stop doing that us and treat us with respect." Even Christianity was a persecuted and minority religion at one point, until it swept power structures away in Rome and further beyond. It will fall too eventually as all things do, and make way for something new (or more likely co-exist with other religions in certain places). I don't feel it's a case of the majority being fed up with being told how to think or speak. I feel it is more a case that some fear losing their privilege and power, and the idea of sharing power with others less advantaged and/or oppressed means they will lose something. . I think the most significant song I heard this year is by a band called "Bodycount" (fronted by Ice-T). The song was called "No Lives Matter". . It's a sobering song with a very real and serious message. Which minority are being abused? Mrs x You previous message said, "Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority." Which majority and which minority were you referring to ?" Think I asked you first, so you go ahead and answer my question and I'll answer yours, Mrs x | |||
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"I've seen reviews of the new Snow White film...I am not happy. I am grumpy though."  | |||
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"I've seen reviews of the new Snow White film...I am not happy. I am grumpy though." | |||
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"Hadn't actually realised that the 'live action' film uses CGI dwarfs ! Lots of actual reduced height actors fuming at missing out on a good part. What a farce." Isn't it the way that some studios are going, CGI and AI..? Cutting costs.. | |||
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"Hadn't actually realised that the 'live action' film uses CGI dwarfs ! Lots of actual reduced height actors fuming at missing out on a good part. What a farce. Isn't it the way that some studios are going, CGI and AI..? Cutting costs.." Replacing dwarfs is surely only a small saving ? | |||
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"Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority. Mrs x If a "minority" are being abused by a majority, then it should come as no surprise that said minority will indeed want to effect change. There are so many classic examples throughout history where a persecuted minority group has said, "Please stop doing that us and treat us with respect." Even Christianity was a persecuted and minority religion at one point, until it swept power structures away in Rome and further beyond. It will fall too eventually as all things do, and make way for something new (or more likely co-exist with other religions in certain places). I don't feel it's a case of the majority being fed up with being told how to think or speak. I feel it is more a case that some fear losing their privilege and power, and the idea of sharing power with others less advantaged and/or oppressed means they will lose something. . I think the most significant song I heard this year is by a band called "Bodycount" (fronted by Ice-T). The song was called "No Lives Matter". . It's a sobering song with a very real and serious message. Which minority are being abused? Mrs x You previous message said, "Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority." Which majority and which minority were you referring to ?Think I asked you first, so you go ahead and answer my question and I'll answer yours, Mrs x" I don't think it matters who asked who first. However in the interests of answering your statement, I am seeking clarification as to the groups you are referring to. | |||
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"Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority. Mrs x If a "minority" are being abused by a majority, then it should come as no surprise that said minority will indeed want to effect change. There are so many classic examples throughout history where a persecuted minority group has said, "Please stop doing that us and treat us with respect." Even Christianity was a persecuted and minority religion at one point, until it swept power structures away in Rome and further beyond. It will fall too eventually as all things do, and make way for something new (or more likely co-exist with other religions in certain places). I don't feel it's a case of the majority being fed up with being told how to think or speak. I feel it is more a case that some fear losing their privilege and power, and the idea of sharing power with others less advantaged and/or oppressed means they will lose something. . I think the most significant song I heard this year is by a band called "Bodycount" (fronted by Ice-T). The song was called "No Lives Matter". . It's a sobering song with a very real and serious message. Which minority are being abused? Mrs x You previous message said, "Think the majority are fed up with being told how to think and speak by the minority." Which majority and which minority were you referring to ?Think I asked you first, so you go ahead and answer my question and I'll answer yours, Mrs x I don't think it matters who asked who first. However in the interests of answering your statement, I am seeking clarification as to the groups you are referring to." Just those who are woke as opposed to those who are not, simply put. Mrs x | |||
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"Hadn't actually realised that the 'live action' film uses CGI dwarfs ! Lots of actual reduced height actors fuming at missing out on a good part. What a farce. Isn't it the way that some studios are going, CGI and AI..? Cutting costs.. Replacing dwarfs is surely only a small saving ?"  | |||
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"Hadn't actually realised that the 'live action' film uses CGI dwarfs ! Lots of actual reduced height actors fuming at missing out on a good part. What a farce. Isn't it the way that some studios are going, CGI and AI..? Cutting costs.. Replacing dwarfs is surely only a small saving ?" Nice one | |||
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".Just those who are woke as opposed to those who are not, simply put. Mrs x" Okay thank you. I too was writing in general terms, but after a long hard think, I realised that was too broad in itself. Lacks definition. Creates confusion. | |||
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"I have no interest in the Disney film but am fascinated by the woke / anti-woke argument. I know many use woke as a perjorative, saying that woke people aren't genuine progressives and are just indulging in performative self-aggrandisement and intolerant moralizing. Which would be fair if those who are anti-woke actually promoted progressive tolerant values but it seems that most anti-woke people are not at all progressive or tolerant in their world views. Also most anti-woke people say they are supporters of free speech but then put a lot of effort into trying to suppress the speech of progressives. If you really believe in free speech then stop being such snowflakes when someone argues against conservative right-wing reactionary ideas. If you disagree with liberal left-wing progressive ideas then argue about the substance instead of trying to hide behind silly phrases like "woke nonsense"." I think you've made a lot of presumptions there which are questionable to say the least. Also this isn't an pro/anti woks thread, rather it's asking if woke ideas have become more unpopular and even toxic in commercial terms. | |||
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"I have no interest in the Disney film but am fascinated by the woke / anti-woke argument. I know many use woke as a perjorative, saying that woke people aren't genuine progressives and are just indulging in performative self-aggrandisement and intolerant moralizing. Which would be fair if those who are anti-woke actually promoted progressive tolerant values but it seems that most anti-woke people are not at all progressive or tolerant in their world views. Also most anti-woke people say they are supporters of free speech but then put a lot of effort into trying to suppress the speech of progressives. If you really believe in free speech then stop being such snowflakes when someone argues against conservative right-wing reactionary ideas. If you disagree with liberal left-wing progressive ideas then argue about the substance instead of trying to hide behind silly phrases like "woke nonsense"." From my point of view I'm not 'anti' anything. I just find it a bit rich to be told that I must accept whatever a certain group tells me is the latest 'reality' I need to accept, meaning I have to give up my beliefs in basic grammar or scientific principles. It's almost as if my free speech, my right to use basic linguistic rules and scientific fact is not allowed. This is compounded when I'm told that I 'must' respect their wishes in regards to this but then find that they then label me with titles they find acceptable even though I've said I find this disrespectful. If you want to be shown respect you must return it. At least I think you should. This is an issue that lots of people find difficult, nothing to do with political leanings, left, right or liberal. Mrs x | |||
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"I just find it a bit rich to be told that I must accept whatever a certain group tells me is the latest 'reality' I need to accept, meaning I have to give up my beliefs in basic grammar or scientific principles. Mrs x" Actually, your comment about scientific principles is very apt. I believe the best science is when science readily accepts that it does not have all the answers, but only the best ones after peer review at that moment in time. Until better science comes along and the cycle begins anew. . Principles (in my opinion) should be the same. By all means hold them, but they are not immutable and must be continually re-evaluated and changed with new ideas. . At the end of the day though, it's really down to opposing values between the right wing and the left wing. . Right wing = The many, matter Left wing = The individual, matters | |||
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"I just find it a bit rich to be told that I must accept whatever a certain group tells me is the latest 'reality' I need to accept, meaning I have to give up my beliefs in basic grammar or scientific principles. Mrs x Actually, your comment about scientific principles is very apt. I believe the best science is when science readily accepts that it does not have all the answers, but only the best ones after peer review at that moment in time. Until better science comes along and the cycle begins anew. . Principles (in my opinion) should be the same. By all means hold them, but they are not immutable and must be continually re-evaluated and changed with new ideas. . At the end of the day though, it's really down to opposing values between the right wing and the left wing. . Right wing = The many, matter Left wing = The individual, matters " Why do you break it down to political leanings? I think people of all leanings have opinions on this. As for the science you seem to be suggesting that it's OK to believe in the science of today, so long as you know it's going to change tomorrow. But that's not true, things may change, be reviewed but it's rare that there's wholesale change. Not that it's not happened but it is getting rarer and rarer as science advances. And even when scientific principles are updated they are always rooted in scientific fact. This is another issue for the 'woke' movement. The fact that they place so much emphasis on feeling and not fact. They feel a certain way and so that is now their 'reality' because they 'identify' as one thing or another. Sorry but that's not how it works. I'd love to identify as some sort of exotic being, different from the rest of humanity but that 'feeling' i have for this will never change the fact that like everyone else I'm a carbon based lifeforms, no matter how much as I identify as some sort of ethereal being i simply cannot change this, it's immutable. Feelings are lovely, they just don't beat science as a foundation to build your reality upon, Mrs x | |||
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""Why do you break it down to political leanings?"" . Because human beings are tribal beings, and everything is about identity politics. Always has been and always will be. We all have an identity (and indeed multiple identities), be it based on ethnicity, race, nationality, religion, denomination, gender, sexual orientation, social background, political affiliation, caste, age, disability, intelligence, and social class. We are judged and discriminated on these characteristics, so of course everything will be be about identity politics. How can it not ? . I'm not sure where you are heading with the rest of the diatribe and you do seem to have a real bee-in-your-bonnet about another "general" group of people who just want to be accepted and identify as they wish. You are of course entitled to your own opinions. I know several folks who are non-binary, so I address and modulate their given pronouns to suit their requirements and sensibilities. It's no skin off my nose, but it means the world to them. A little kindness goes a long way. The other option is to oppose and that creates conflict. Why on earth would I want to do that ? That's not kind. It also invalidates them as individuals. And you have every right to identify as you wish, so if you do want to go down the exotic being path, I'd support you. After all, you are an individual, and I'm on the side that supports the autonomy of the individual first and foremost (provided they're not hateful, bigoted or nasty of course!). . As for reality though...that's a whole different ball game and I don't feel science or philosophy are any closer to defining such an objective/subjective concept. | |||
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""Why do you break it down to political leanings?" . Because human beings are tribal beings, and everything is about identity politics. Always has been and always will be. We all have an identity (and indeed multiple identities), be it based on ethnicity, race, nationality, religion, denomination, gender, sexual orientation, social background, political affiliation, caste, age, disability, intelligence, and social class. We are judged and discriminated on these characteristics, so of course everything will be be about identity politics. How can it not ? . I'm not sure where you are heading with the rest of the diatribe and you do seem to have a real bee-in-your-bonnet about another "general" group of people who just want to be accepted and identify as they wish. You are of course entitled to your own opinions. I know several folks who are non-binary, so I address and modulate their given pronouns to suit their requirements and sensibilities. It's no skin off my nose, but it means the world to them. A little kindness goes a long way. The other option is to oppose and that creates conflict. Why on earth would I want to do that ? That's not kind. It also invalidates them as individuals. And you have every right to identify as you wish, so if you do want to go down the exotic being path, I'd support you. After all, you are an individual, and I'm on the side that supports the autonomy of the individual first and foremost (provided they're not hateful, bigoted or nasty of course!). . As for reality though...that's a whole different ball game and I don't feel science or philosophy are any closer to defining such an objective/subjective concept." I've lost your point, can you explain in a simple way? | |||
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""Why do you break it down to political leanings?" . Because human beings are tribal beings, and everything is about identity politics. Always has been and always will be. We all have an identity (and indeed multiple identities), be it based on ethnicity, race, nationality, religion, denomination, gender, sexual orientation, social background, political affiliation, caste, age, disability, intelligence, and social class. We are judged and discriminated on these characteristics, so of course everything will be be about identity politics. How can it not ? . I'm not sure where you are heading with the rest of the diatribe and you do seem to have a real bee-in-your-bonnet about another "general" group of people who just want to be accepted and identify as they wish. You are of course entitled to your own opinions. I know several folks who are non-binary, so I address and modulate their given pronouns to suit their requirements and sensibilities. It's no skin off my nose, but it means the world to them. A little kindness goes a long way. The other option is to oppose and that creates conflict. Why on earth would I want to do that ? That's not kind. It also invalidates them as individuals. And you have every right to identify as you wish, so if you do want to go down the exotic being path, I'd support you. After all, you are an individual, and I'm on the side that supports the autonomy of the individual first and foremost (provided they're not hateful, bigoted or nasty of course!). . As for reality though...that's a whole different ball game and I don't feel science or philosophy are any closer to defining such an objective/subjective concept." As a rational human I'm able to come to decisions based on a variety of things. Some may be as you say, based upon my identity, but I'm also able to base decisions upon facts. I may not like these facts, but so long as there's scientific evidence to support these facts then I will believe them and make my decision accordingly. Otherwise I'd be subject to dogma and decisions based upon this is not the path I'd choose to follow. As for having a "bee in my bonnet" about a 'certain group', where do you get that from? If you think it's those that use pronouns that are grammatically incorrect you need to re-read what I've posted. I never said I wouldn't use anyone's preferred pronoun. I just said I don't agree with the use of incorrect pronouns. There's a huge difference there. I can still do the decent thing, like yourself, for the sake of not wanting to upset someone, whilst thinking privately that I don't agree. It's like talking to an idiot and nodding at the correct point in the conversation to let them think they have a salient point but shaking your head inside thinking they are a total knobhead, something that happens frequently on the forums. What I did say on this subject is that I don't like having demands placed upon myself that are then ignored by the people who are demanding respect in the first place. Respect is a two way street. So if you would like to reread my post. It's a bit of a derogatory statement considering that you are suggesting you are nice person, I'll let the description of my posts as a 'diatribe' go for now, it does seem a bit hypocritical though, given that you later say I'm free to have my own opinion. Thank you for that, I was hoping after all, to get your approval. I'm so glad you support my feelings towards being an ethereal being but I get the sense you are just nodding at the right point whilst furiously shaking your head inside. When you mentioned identity did you forget virtue signalling. I did notice you left out characteristics like loner and outlier which minimises your notion that we are all tribal unless you can have a tribe of one but that's another debate. So going back to your support of me as an individual because as you say you are '...on the side that supports the autonomy of the individual first and foremost'. Can I ask a question does this have any limits or would you support my 'autonomy' to individuality in all circumstances? What I mean by this is would you support some standing at the edge of a very high cliff, who had a feeling they could defy gravity, maybe an avid Wicked fan, and assist them with a little nudge to see if their subjective feelings may come true or would you advise them to make an objective choice if they wanted to fly and get on a plane? Think I'd be getting a little 'nudge' right now haha. Or would your limits, in cases of importance, be based upon those of common sense? Would you be as quick to support a subjective view point if by doing so would possibly bring about the demise of a love one. Say some treatment existed that guaranteed their survival from an otherwise terminal condition. They wanted to live but had a 'feeling' that they didn't need the treatment. What would be your advice then? I don't think I'd be going down the route that tge 'autonomy of the individual was first and foremost'. I'd be begging them to take the treatment, I'd do everything to try and make that happen because science trumps feelings. Mrs x | |||
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"I have no interest in the Disney film but am fascinated by the woke / anti-woke argument. I know many use woke as a perjorative, saying that woke people aren't genuine progressives and are just indulging in performative self-aggrandisement and intolerant moralizing. Which would be fair if those who are anti-woke actually promoted progressive tolerant values but it seems that most anti-woke people are not at all progressive or tolerant in their world views. Also most anti-woke people say they are supporters of free speech but then put a lot of effort into trying to suppress the speech of progressives. If you really believe in free speech then stop being such snowflakes when someone argues against conservative right-wing reactionary ideas. If you disagree with liberal left-wing progressive ideas then argue about the substance instead of trying to hide behind silly phrases like "woke nonsense"." An excellent, rational and balanced argument sir. Well done  | |||
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"Hadn't actually realised that the 'live action' film uses CGI dwarfs ! Lots of actual reduced height actors fuming at missing out on a good part. What a farce. Isn't it the way that some studios are going, CGI and AI..? Cutting costs.. Replacing dwarfs is surely only a small saving ?" Did you not just 'persecute a minority' with so called humour there...  | |||
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"Hadn't actually realised that the 'live action' film uses CGI dwarfs ! Lots of actual reduced height actors fuming at missing out on a good part. What a farce. Isn't it the way that some studios are going, CGI and AI..? Cutting costs.. Replacing dwarfs is surely only a small saving ? Did you not just 'persecute a minority' with so called humour there... "Only a little. | |||
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"I tried not to make too many presumptions in my previous post by using qualifying language like many and most rather than all. Let's look at a hypothetical dialog... Person A says X. Person B says you ought not to say X because it promotes a harmful stereotype. If person A argues back that they don't believe that X promotes a stereotype or that the stereotype isn't harmful then that is reasonable and can lead to further discussion and understanding. But if person A says "shut up, I don't like being criticized" they are not interested in dialog or understanding, they simply want to censor critics. Also if person A says shut up then aren't they being hypocritical and lacking in self-awareness? Aren't they doing what they claim person B is doing but instead of presenting any reasoning such as X promotes a harmful stereotype, they are relying on nothing more than the feeling that they dislike being criticized. Some people make a broader claim. They say they shouldn't be criticized for saying some unspecified thing and that there's a conspiracy called wokeness that should be fought against. Without revealing what the unspecified thing is, this is just totally unhelpful. The easiest way out of this difficulty is to specify what you object to being criticized. So for instance if you dislike using preferred pronouns then fine, at least that's transparent and we can discuss the pros and cons. I have no problem with people having opposing views. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I just find the "shut up, I don't like being criticized" approach to be unproductive and censorial. " Asking something of others is fine, so long as they respect it when others ask the same of them. Mrs x | |||
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"it seems this film should have a trigger warning at the start to protect the 'anti-woke' culture warriors from having their feelings hurt, coz they're sure crying their eyes out about it on this thread." Disney execs are certainly crying their eyes out about their lead not toeing the line and bringing bad publicity to the film were it wasn't called for. You cannot be genuinely a 'woke' person and work for Disney because they aren't woke at all. It's probably why they are trying to portray themselves as being woke with these awful movies to divert from their 'true' nature. Mrs x | |||
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"it seems this film should have a trigger warning at the start to protect the 'anti-woke' culture warriors from having their feelings hurt, coz they're sure crying their eyes out about it on this thread.Disney execs are certainly crying their eyes out about their lead not toeing the line and bringing bad publicity to the film were it wasn't called for. You cannot be genuinely a 'woke' person and work for Disney because they aren't woke at all. It's probably why they are trying to portray themselves as being woke with these awful movies to divert from their 'true' nature. Mrs x" i haven't got a clue what you're trying say there ... the word woke is so overused about such a variety of stuff a minority of whiney little bitches disagree with, that it's totally lost all meaning. | |||
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"it seems this film should have a trigger warning at the start to protect the 'anti-woke' culture warriors from having their feelings hurt, coz they're sure crying their eyes out about it on this thread.Disney execs are certainly crying their eyes out about their lead not toeing the line and bringing bad publicity to the film were it wasn't called for. You cannot be genuinely a 'woke' person and work for Disney because they aren't woke at all. It's probably why they are trying to portray themselves as being woke with these awful movies to divert from their 'true' nature. Mrs x i haven't got a clue what you're trying say there ... the word woke is so overused about such a variety of stuff a minority of whiney little bitches disagree with, that it's totally lost all meaning. " It's amusing when anyone says that don't understand what's being said but still manage to form an opinion on it, despite their lack of understanding. Why don't you give us your thoughts, minus anything insulting, about what's the meaning of woke to you. Hopefully I'll be able to figure out what you are saying because, to be fair, it's not making much sense, you don't understand and then you do understand enough to comment, could you clarify what it is you are saying? Mrs x | |||
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"it seems this film should have a trigger warning at the start to protect the 'anti-woke' culture warriors from having their feelings hurt, coz they're sure crying their eyes out about it on this thread.Disney execs are certainly crying their eyes out about their lead not toeing the line and bringing bad publicity to the film were it wasn't called for. You cannot be genuinely a 'woke' person and work for Disney because they aren't woke at all. It's probably why they are trying to portray themselves as being woke with these awful movies to divert from their 'true' nature. Mrs x i haven't got a clue what you're trying say there ... the word woke is so overused about such a variety of stuff a minority of whiney little bitches disagree with, that it's totally lost all meaning. It's amusing when anyone says that don't understand what's being said but still manage to form an opinion on it, despite their lack of understanding. Why don't you give us your thoughts, minus anything insulting, about what's the meaning of woke to you. Hopefully I'll be able to figure out what you are saying because, to be fair, it's not making much sense, you don't understand and then you do understand enough to comment, could you clarify what it is you are saying? Mrs x" i told you already .... try reading words for once | |||
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"it seems this film should have a trigger warning at the start to protect the 'anti-woke' culture warriors from having their feelings hurt, coz they're sure crying their eyes out about it on this thread.Disney execs are certainly crying their eyes out about their lead not toeing the line and bringing bad publicity to the film were it wasn't called for. You cannot be genuinely a 'woke' person and work for Disney because they aren't woke at all. It's probably why they are trying to portray themselves as being woke with these awful movies to divert from their 'true' nature. Mrs x i haven't got a clue what you're trying say there ... the word woke is so overused about such a variety of stuff a minority of whiney little bitches disagree with, that it's totally lost all meaning. It's amusing when anyone says that don't understand what's being said but still manage to form an opinion on it, despite their lack of understanding. Why don't you give us your thoughts, minus anything insulting, about what's the meaning of woke to you. Hopefully I'll be able to figure out what you are saying because, to be fair, it's not making much sense, you don't understand and then you do understand enough to comment, could you clarify what it is you are saying? Mrs x i told you already .... try reading words for once "No you haven't, one minute you don't know, tge next you do, then there's a minority of whiney little bitches, make your mind up haha, Mrs x | |||
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i told you already "OK just for you.... If you are a 'woke' person and like to challenge discrimination, oppression, racism and the like then you shouldn't work for those that don't follow your morals, ethics, principles whatever you want to call it. Disney is not an ethical firm, using sweatshop labour, child labour, unfair working practices and the like, to an extent that this practice was investigated due to suicides by the little workers in these sweatshops. This is what I was referencing to in my post. Now I don't know if you knew this about Disney, or that the actress concerned is obviously too dumb or arrogant but she continued to promote a woke political agenda on X even after being told to stop. This actress refused to take down one such Tweet, even after a producer from Disney travelled from California to New York to ask her to take it down. Now kudos to her for having such strong beliefs she was prepared to not only smash any chance of success the film had but also possibly ruining her own career. So to sum up. If you feel so strongly against whatever subject then you shouldn't even associate yourself with such people, never mind taking millions off them for doing their work. Maybe you were referencing this actress before when you mentioned whiny little pitches, she pushed woke ideals, whilst working for a company that profits massively from being anti woke. It was virtue signalling of the highest order. It's the equivalent of being a militant anti-p@adophile campaigner, whilst also holding and getting paid for being the Prrsident of the Jimmy Saville fanclub. So congrats for taking part in something you openly said you didn't understand. I hope this clears it up for you. If it doesn't let me know and maybe we can try something simpler, Mrs x | |||
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i told you already OK just for you....
If you are a 'woke' person and like to challenge discrimination, oppression, racism and the like then you shouldn't work for those that don't follow your morals, ethics, principles whatever you want to call it.
Disney is not an ethical firm, using sweatshop labour, child labour, unfair working practices and the like, to an extent that this practice was investigated due to suicides by the little workers in these sweatshops.
This is what I was referencing to in my post.
Now I don't know if you knew this about Disney, or that the actress concerned is obviously too dumb or arrogant but she continued to promote a woke political agenda on X even after being told to stop. This actress refused to take down one such Tweet, even after a producer from Disney travelled from California to New York to ask her to take it down. Now kudos to her for having such strong beliefs she was prepared to not only smash any chance of success the film had but also possibly ruining her own career.
So to sum up. If you feel so strongly against whatever subject then you shouldn't even associate yourself with such people, never mind taking millions off them for doing their work.
Maybe you were referencing this actress before when you mentioned whiny little pitches, she pushed woke ideals, whilst working for a company that profits massively from being anti woke. It was virtue signalling of the highest order.
It's the equivalent of being a militant anti-p@adophile campaigner, whilst also holding and getting paid for being the Prrsident of the Jimmy Saville fanclub.
So congrats for taking part in something you openly said you didn't understand. I hope this clears it up for you. If it doesn't let me know and maybe we can try something simpler,
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"Asking something of others is fine, so long as they respect it when others ask the same of them." If I've parsed that rather confusing sentence correctly, I think you are being overly optimistic. I will respect most people I disagree with but I'll only tolerate bigots, I won't respect them or their views. As a believer in human rights I'll defend their freedom to express their bigotry but only up to a point. There is a line - one generally drawn by law, but not always as history shows that even in democracies laws can be unjust, so ultimately one has to be governed by one's conscience. | |||
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Mrs x
i told you already OK just for you....
If you are a 'woke' person and like to challenge discrimination, oppression, racism and the like then you shouldn't work for those that don't follow your morals, ethics, principles whatever you want to call it.
Disney is not an ethical firm, using sweatshop labour, child labour, unfair working practices and the like, to an extent that this practice was investigated due to suicides by the little workers in these sweatshops.
This is what I was referencing to in my post.
Now I don't know if you knew this about Disney, or that the actress concerned is obviously too dumb or arrogant but she continued to promote a woke political agenda on X even after being told to stop. This actress refused to take down one such Tweet, even after a producer from Disney travelled from California to New York to ask her to take it down. Now kudos to her for having such strong beliefs she was prepared to not only smash any chance of success the film had but also possibly ruining her own career.
So to sum up. If you feel so strongly against whatever subject then you shouldn't even associate yourself with such people, never mind taking millions off them for doing their work.
Maybe you were referencing this actress before when you mentioned whiny little pitches, she pushed woke ideals, whilst working for a company that profits massively from being anti woke. It was virtue signalling of the highest order.
It's the equivalent of being a militant anti-p@adophile campaigner, whilst also holding and getting paid for being the Prrsident of the Jimmy Saville fanclub.
So congrats for taking part in something you openly said you didn't understand. I hope this clears it up for you. If it doesn't let me know and maybe we can try something simpler,
Mrs x
i rest my case m'lud "And you said you couldn't understand me, haha Mrs x | |||
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"Asking something of others is fine, so long as they respect it when others ask the same of them. If I've parsed that rather confusing sentence correctly, I think you are being overly optimistic. I will respect most people I disagree with but I'll only tolerate bigots, I won't respect them or their views. As a believer in human rights I'll defend their freedom to express their bigotry but only up to a point. There is a line - one generally drawn by law, but not always as history shows that even in democracies laws can be unjust, so ultimately one has to be governed by one's conscience. " I agree with you 100%, you shouldn't accept, or respect, bigotry and you should be governed by your concience. Mrs x | |||
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"The Wicked Witch is played by the ultra-gorgeous Gal Gadot. Snow White is played by a woman who looks like a potato in a wig. The Magic Mirror says at one stage that Snow White is the "fairest of them all". The Magic Mirror is a fucking liar. "Not a liar, 'woke' haha, Mrs x | |||
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Mrs x
i told you already OK just for you....
If you are a 'woke' person and like to challenge discrimination, oppression, racism and the like then you shouldn't work for those that don't follow your morals, ethics, principles whatever you want to call it.
Disney is not an ethical firm, using sweatshop labour, child labour, unfair working practices and the like, to an extent that this practice was investigated due to suicides by the little workers in these sweatshops.
This is what I was referencing to in my post.
Now I don't know if you knew this about Disney, or that the actress concerned is obviously too dumb or arrogant but she continued to promote a woke political agenda on X even after being told to stop. This actress refused to take down one such Tweet, even after a producer from Disney travelled from California to New York to ask her to take it down. Now kudos to her for having such strong beliefs she was prepared to not only smash any chance of success the film had but also possibly ruining her own career.
So to sum up. If you feel so strongly against whatever subject then you shouldn't even associate yourself with such people, never mind taking millions off them for doing their work.
Maybe you were referencing this actress before when you mentioned whiny little pitches, she pushed woke ideals, whilst working for a company that profits massively from being anti woke. It was virtue signalling of the highest order.
It's the equivalent of being a militant anti-p@adophile campaigner, whilst also holding and getting paid for being the Prrsident of the Jimmy Saville fanclub.
So congrats for taking part in something you openly said you didn't understand. I hope this clears it up for you. If it doesn't let me know and maybe we can try something simpler,
Mrs x
i rest my case m'lud And you said you couldn't understand me, haha Mrs x"the only understandable part is that you are whining | |||
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Mrs x
i told you already OK just for you....
If you are a 'woke' person and like to challenge discrimination, oppression, racism and the like then you shouldn't work for those that don't follow your morals, ethics, principles whatever you want to call it.
Disney is not an ethical firm, using sweatshop labour, child labour, unfair working practices and the like, to an extent that this practice was investigated due to suicides by the little workers in these sweatshops.
This is what I was referencing to in my post.
Now I don't know if you knew this about Disney, or that the actress concerned is obviously too dumb or arrogant but she continued to promote a woke political agenda on X even after being told to stop. This actress refused to take down one such Tweet, even after a producer from Disney travelled from California to New York to ask her to take it down. Now kudos to her for having such strong beliefs she was prepared to not only smash any chance of success the film had but also possibly ruining her own career.
So to sum up. If you feel so strongly against whatever subject then you shouldn't even associate yourself with such people, never mind taking millions off them for doing their work.
Maybe you were referencing this actress before when you mentioned whiny little pitches, she pushed woke ideals, whilst working for a company that profits massively from being anti woke. It was virtue signalling of the highest order.
It's the equivalent of being a militant anti-p@adophile campaigner, whilst also holding and getting paid for being the Prrsident of the Jimmy Saville fanclub.
So congrats for taking part in something you openly said you didn't understand. I hope this clears it up for you. If it doesn't let me know and maybe we can try something simpler,
Mrs x
i rest my case m'lud And you said you couldn't understand me, haha Mrs x
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"It seems clear that quite a few people don't like Rachel Zegler, the 23 year old actress who plays Snow White. Ignoring for now the more juvenile attacks and whether Disney is a woke or anti-woke organisation, what exactly about what Zigler has said makes her woke? As far as I can tell she supports a ceasefire in Gaza and is strongly anti-Trump. Is that woke? " That question is a problem in of it's self. Woke has become such a widely used descriptor for a plethora of issues. If you accept this then yes she's being woke. I said before kudos for her having strong opinions she wants to address but to do this whilst promoting this project is not only foolhardy but arrogant. Lots of firms have clauses were you cannot say or do things outside of work that would bring the company into disrepute. Even though that don't have this as a contracted term it's an implied one. You are right she's only young but she's an adult, responsible fir what she says and does. Mrs x | |||
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"I said before kudos for her having strong opinions she wants to address but to do this whilst promoting this project is not only foolhardy but arrogant. Lots of firms have clauses were you cannot say or do things outside of work that would bring the company into disrepute. Even though that don't have this as a contracted term it's an implied one." Is supporting a ceasefire disreputable? Or saying anything against Trump? Also do you have any thoughts on Gal Gabot's recent public pronouncements? | |||
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" the only understandable part is that you are whining OK but does that mean you are a 'little bitch', pmsl Mrs x you're just spewing garbage for the sake of it now" You are attacking the poster and not my post. You cannot even come up with a counter argument, so don't accuse me of spewing garbage take a look at yourself in tge mirror and have a word. Or argue against what I've posted, that would be much more fun than your sly comments from behind your keyboard. You go brave warrior you, haha, Mrs x | |||
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"I said before kudos for her having strong opinions she wants to address but to do this whilst promoting this project is not only foolhardy but arrogant. Lots of firms have clauses were you cannot say or do things outside of work that would bring the company into disrepute. Even though that don't have this as a contracted term it's an implied one. Is supporting a ceasefire disreputable? Or saying anything against Trump? Also do you have any thoughts on Gal Gabot's recent public pronouncements? " But that's not what matters, yours, mine or even the actresses thoughts on whether it's disreputable. It's purely down to Disney and from their actions alone it would seem that they considered it to be disreputable. I dislike Trump as much as tge next guy but even I am aware if I say 'Fuck Trump',whilst working for the worlds largest children's media company that that may land me in the shit. But once again it's nobody else's opinions tgat matter just Disney. You don't send a producer of a major film, across an entire continent, to ask for her to remove other tweets if they didn't consider it disrespectful. No I am not aware of Gil Gadots public pronouncements, Mrs x | |||
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"Gal Gadot is a jewish woman, born in Israel. She has every right to make comment on the current situaton. Zegler is a 23 year old gobshite American actress who has contributed greatly to making this film a box office flop, by spouting off the same old crap every trendy little wannabe comes out with. A lot of the people who worked on the film rely on it being a success to earn a decent living. Zegler screwed all of them royally." That's what the producers son said, that she didn't give a fuck about the crew and production team from the film that need it to be a success, Mrs x | |||
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"But that's not what matters, yours, mine or even the actresses thoughts on whether it's disreputable. It's purely down to Disney and from their actions alone it would seem that they considered it to be disreputable. I dislike Trump as much as tge next guy but even I am aware if I say 'Fuck Trump',whilst working for the worlds largest children's media company that that may land me in the shit. But once again it's nobody else's opinions tgat matter just Disney. You don't send a producer of a major film, across an entire continent, to ask for her to remove other tweets if they didn't consider it disrespectful. No I am not aware of Gil Gadots public pronouncements, Mrs x" Right but you've made it clear that you don't really give a damn about the feelings of Disney executives yet you've called Rachel Zigler dumb, arrogant, a pusher of woke ideals etc. Yet you have no idea about what Gal Gobot has said. In a recent interview she said that she was also anti-war and supported peace in Gaza. Yet no accusations of her being a pusher of woke ideals. To be clear Gabot is a strong supporter of the IDF but in Isreali terms she's about as woke as you can be while still being mainstream. So maybe it's just because Zigler opposes Trump. But you don't like Trump either. Maybe this is all very much ado about nothing. | |||
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"Gal Gadot is a jewish woman, born in Israel. She has every right to make comment on the current situaton. Zegler is a 23 year old gobshite American actress who has contributed greatly to making this film a box office flop, by spouting off the same old crap every trendy little wannabe comes out with. A lot of the people who worked on the film rely on it being a success to earn a decent living. Zegler screwed all of them royally." You may be mistaken. Although people like yourself are doing everything in your power to attack Zegler. In the medium to long term her comments may actually redeem the fortunes of what sounds like a very mediocre movie. As people who support her position might want to see her in action. I understand despite your vulgar comments that her performance has been lauded by many. Variety describes her as a "shining supernova" for instance. | |||
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"But that's not what matters, yours, mine or even the actresses thoughts on whether it's disreputable. It's purely down to Disney and from their actions alone it would seem that they considered it to be disreputable. I dislike Trump as much as tge next guy but even I am aware if I say 'Fuck Trump',whilst working for the worlds largest children's media company that that may land me in the shit. But once again it's nobody else's opinions tgat matter just Disney. You don't send a producer of a major film, across an entire continent, to ask for her to remove other tweets if they didn't consider it disrespectful. No I am not aware of Gil Gadots public pronouncements, Mrs x Right but you've made it clear that you don't really give a damn about the feelings of Disney executives yet you've called Rachel Zigler dumb, arrogant, a pusher of woke ideals etc. Yet you have no idea about what Gal Gobot has said. In a recent interview she said that she was also anti-war and supported peace in Gaza. Yet no accusations of her being a pusher of woke ideals. To be clear Gabot is a strong supporter of the IDF but in Isreali terms she's about as woke as you can be while still being mainstream. So maybe it's just because Zigler opposes Trump. But you don't like Trump either. Maybe this is all very much ado about nothing." Just to start, we're did i say I didn't give a damn about Disney Execs feelings? I never said that, I said its only Disneys opinions that matter in this case because it only actually affects them and they are the only ones to be able to do anything about it. You are right I have said that about Zegler in so many words. I could have equally said she has no common sense, she not only said this about Free Palestine but she was given the opportunity to remove this but chose not to, that's either stupidity, arrogance or worse stupid arrogance. It's not just this or the Trump thing but she's had a go at Trumps followers. Millions of Americans she insulted, millions of people taking to social media in a backlash against her and unfortunately for them but Disney too. As for the comments by Gil Hadn't, she hasn't said anything derogatory unlike Zegler. Calling for peace and saying you are anti war is not a bad thing, no matter which side of the divide you are on. Being Israeli Hadn't has tge right to say such things as she has actual skin in the game. So whilst Gadot has taken a 'neutral' approach, if she said what she said. Zegler took a side. 'Fuck Trump' and hoping he and his followers never find any peace is not particularly neutral. This from a Columbian with no skin in the game. Not that she cannot have an opinion on this but there's no reason she needed to do this,she chose to. Aside from this Zegler has also used woke rhetoric to attack the fairytale itself. Who the fuck is she to say classic tales need to be re-written for modern times? Arrogance or stupidity again. All this done despite film companies employing experts to coach stars through interviews and such. She just chose to ignore them. She even said that tge role of tge Prince needed to change as he was basically a 'stalker'. All this about the original and most popular of Disneys films. Think of the billions of fans worldwide, it was never going to go well was it. Disney knew this, tried to rein her in but she just went on a rampage. So no, I don't think it's much ado about nothing, Mrs x | |||
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"Gal Gadot is a jewish woman, born in Israel. She has every right to make comment on the current situaton. Zegler is a 23 year old gobshite American actress who has contributed greatly to making this film a box office flop, by spouting off the same old crap every trendy little wannabe comes out with. A lot of the people who worked on the film rely on it being a success to earn a decent living. Zegler screwed all of them royally. You may be mistaken. Although people like yourself are doing everything in your power to attack Zegler. In the medium to long term her comments may actually redeem the fortunes of what sounds like a very mediocre movie. As people who support her position might want to see her in action. I understand despite your vulgar comments that her performance has been lauded by many. Variety describes her as a "shining supernova" for instance. " Would you agree there is a right and wrong time to express personal opinions? Especially when there is potential for millions of dollars that don't belong to you but have been invested in you, to be wiped out due to the words you use. I would also add that Zegler came across as self promotive woke with her tweet that ended, “and always remember, free Palestine.” She was asked to take it down, she refused and the situation led to increased security for Gadot. Who did that tweet benefit, Rachel Zegler the brand? | |||
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"Gal Gadot is a jewish woman, born in Israel. She has every right to make comment on the current situaton. Zegler is a 23 year old gobshite American actress who has contributed greatly to making this film a box office flop, by spouting off the same old crap every trendy little wannabe comes out with. A lot of the people who worked on the film rely on it being a success to earn a decent living. Zegler screwed all of them royally. You may be mistaken. Although people like yourself are doing everything in your power to attack Zegler. In the medium to long term her comments may actually redeem the fortunes of what sounds like a very mediocre movie. As people who support her position might want to see her in action. I understand despite your vulgar comments that her performance has been lauded by many. Variety describes her as a "shining supernova" for instance. Would you agree there is a right and wrong time to express personal opinions? Especially when there is potential for millions of dollars that don't belong to you but have been invested in you, to be wiped out due to the words you use. I would also add that Zegler came across as self promotive woke with her tweet that ended, “and always remember, free Palestine.” She was asked to take it down, she refused and the situation led to increased security for Gadot. Who did that tweet benefit, Rachel Zegler the brand? " Hamas? Mrs x | |||
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"So no, I don't think it's much ado about nothing," It's obviously got you triggered. I could respond to some aspects of your long post that I particularly disagree with but I don't think it's worth the effort. It kind of reinforces the notion of those of us who you might refer to as woke that people who bang on about wokeness have incredibly thin skins. Perhaps on another thread we can discuss Trump in more depth and why so many people in the US and around the world think he is at best an idiot. | |||
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"Gal Gadot is a jewish woman, born in Israel. She has every right to make comment on the current situaton. Zegler is a 23 year old gobshite American actress who has contributed greatly to making this film a box office flop, by spouting off the same old crap every trendy little wannabe comes out with. A lot of the people who worked on the film rely on it being a success to earn a decent living. Zegler screwed all of them royally. You may be mistaken. Although people like yourself are doing everything in your power to attack Zegler. In the medium to long term her comments may actually redeem the fortunes of what sounds like a very mediocre movie. As people who support her position might want to see her in action. I understand despite your vulgar comments that her performance has been lauded by many. Variety describes her as a "shining supernova" for instance. Would you agree there is a right and wrong time to express personal opinions? Especially when there is potential for millions of dollars that don't belong to you but have been invested in you, to be wiped out due to the words you use. I would also add that Zegler came across as self promotive woke with her tweet that ended, “and always remember, free Palestine.” She was asked to take it down, she refused and the situation led to increased security for Gadot. Who did that tweet benefit, Rachel Zegler the brand? Hamas? Mrs x" Very much so, but that would undoubtedly not have been a consideration… Promotion was her brand to those she believes are her fans and gullible who embrace her fight for resistance. Having said that I could be giving her more credit than she deserves and she is simply unaware of her actions and the reactions they cause. | |||
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"So no, I don't think it's much ado about nothing, It's obviously got you triggered. I could respond to some aspects of your long post that I particularly disagree with but I don't think it's worth the effort. It kind of reinforces the notion of those of us who you might refer to as woke that people who bang on about wokeness have incredibly thin skins. Perhaps on another thread we can discuss Trump in more depth and why so many people in the US and around the world think he is at best an idiot." Where did that guy go, any chance I can chat to him again? You know the guy who started off saying ots OK for everyone to have and opinion so long as they weren't bigoted. The guy who said its OK to follow your own conscience,to have a debate on said opinions. Where's he at? This guy tells me I'm triggered, thin skinned and doesn't think discourse is worth the effort. He says this despite only having a couple of chats with me today. Otherwise he's a total stranger but he somehow knows all about my mental state and my triggers. Some trick that is. But it's not a trick is it, it's just the same linguistic device used by others when they don't get what they want from a conversation. It's their version of "Shut Up", initially I thought you might not go down this route it showed a bit of promise but hey ho, never mind. So carry on attack the poster not their posts, even though I've not been rude to you, your opinions or comments. In fact I agreed 100% with a couple of them. If you'd like to come out and play again that's ok but if you fuck off back indoors, taking your ball with you we won't play again. Oh and just so you know I have nothing against Zegler, she was great in West Side Story, all I've done here is pass on some facts and my opinions on them. And as for Trump I despise the man and don't need any lessons on why he's a buffoon. Anyway hope your having a nice lie down as you appeared a little upset. Look at me doing your clairvoyance trick but it's from a place of love, see ya.... Mrs x | |||
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"Gal Gadot is a jewish woman, born in Israel. She has every right to make comment on the current situaton. Zegler is a 23 year old gobshite American actress who has contributed greatly to making this film a box office flop, by spouting off the same old crap every trendy little wannabe comes out with. A lot of the people who worked on the film rely on it being a success to earn a decent living. Zegler screwed all of them royally. You may be mistaken. Although people like yourself are doing everything in your power to attack Zegler. In the medium to long term her comments may actually redeem the fortunes of what sounds like a very mediocre movie. As people who support her position might want to see her in action. I understand despite your vulgar comments that her performance has been lauded by many. Variety describes her as a "shining supernova" for instance. Would you agree there is a right and wrong time to express personal opinions? Especially when there is potential for millions of dollars that don't belong to you but have been invested in you, to be wiped out due to the words you use. I would also add that Zegler came across as self promotive woke with her tweet that ended, “and always remember, free Palestine.” She was asked to take it down, she refused and the situation led to increased security for Gadot. Who did that tweet benefit, Rachel Zegler the brand? Hamas? Mrs x Very much so, but that would undoubtedly not have been a consideration… Promotion was her brand to those she believes are her fans and gullible who embrace her fight for resistance. Having said that I could be giving her more credit than she deserves and she is simply unaware of her actions and the reactions they cause. " Unaware??? She was aware as soon as one of the producers flew from LA to NY to knock on her door and ask her to remove the offending posts. She knew but chose to ignore a request from her employer and one of the biggest media companies on earth. Very entitled it would seem, Mrs x | |||
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"Anyway hope your having a nice lie down as you appeared a little upset. Look at me doing your clairvoyance trick but it's from a place of love, see ya...." I'm not remotely upset. I simply want to have constructive engagement and although I find you to be generally both reasonable and intelligent there's a ceiling to how much time I engage with people. You're rather verbose and slide into assumptions and deflections quite a bit. But I'm not a perfect debater either, I get that. But there's little point in going round and round talking about fine points of nuance in an environment like a swingers website. We appear to agree on many things but disagree on others and I think we've established that and so although you can be charming I'm only going to engage with substantive arguments. I will raise one objection to something you said though. That's the old "skin in the game" argument. If I'm a middle-aged black Muslim male walking along the street and I see a teenage white Jewish female being attacked I don't give a flying f*ck about having skin in the game, I'm going to try to defend her. Likewise in discourse. This whole notion of skin in the game is to me obscene. If you disagree read Pastor Martin Niemoller again. | |||
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"Gal Gadot is a jewish woman, born in Israel. She has every right to make comment on the current situaton. Zegler is a 23 year old gobshite American actress who has contributed greatly to making this film a box office flop, by spouting off the same old crap every trendy little wannabe comes out with. A lot of the people who worked on the film rely on it being a success to earn a decent living. Zegler screwed all of them royally. You may be mistaken. Although people like yourself are doing everything in your power to attack Zegler. In the medium to long term her comments may actually redeem the fortunes of what sounds like a very mediocre movie. As people who support her position might want to see her in action. I understand despite your vulgar comments that her performance has been lauded by many. Variety describes her as a "shining supernova" for instance. Would you agree there is a right and wrong time to express personal opinions? Especially when there is potential for millions of dollars that don't belong to you but have been invested in you, to be wiped out due to the words you use. I would also add that Zegler came across as self promotive woke with her tweet that ended, “and always remember, free Palestine.” She was asked to take it down, she refused and the situation led to increased security for Gadot. Who did that tweet benefit, Rachel Zegler the brand? Hamas? Mrs x Very much so, but that would undoubtedly not have been a consideration… Promotion was her brand to those she believes are her fans and gullible who embrace her fight for resistance. Having said that I could be giving her more credit than she deserves and she is simply unaware of her actions and the reactions they cause. Unaware??? She was aware as soon as one of the producers flew from LA to NY to knock on her door and ask her to remove the offending posts. She knew but chose to ignore a request from her employer and one of the biggest media companies on earth. Very entitled it would seem, Mrs x" Unaware of the support being shown to Hamas, which is the most probable as she is playing only to her potential fan base. Either way I believe she is very much a self promotive woke, which is why she has had the backlash. People can sense when another human is not being sincere, well most | |||
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"Anyway hope your having a nice lie down as you appeared a little upset. Look at me doing your clairvoyance trick but it's from a place of love, see ya.... I'm not remotely upset. I simply want to have constructive engagement and although I find you to be generally both reasonable and intelligent there's a ceiling to how much time I engage with people. You're rather verbose and slide into assumptions and deflections quite a bit. But I'm not a perfect debater either, I get that. But there's little point in going round and round talking about fine points of nuance in an environment like a swingers website. We appear to agree on many things but disagree on others and I think we've established that and so although you can be charming I'm only going to engage with substantive arguments. I will raise one objection to something you said though. That's the old "skin in the game" argument. If I'm a middle-aged black Muslim male walking along the street and I see a teenage white Jewish female being attacked I don't give a flying f*ck about having skin in the game, I'm going to try to defend her. Likewise in discourse. This whole notion of skin in the game is to me obscene. If you disagree read Pastor Martin Niemoller again. " When i said skin in the game are you assuming I mean ethnicity? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. I say Gadot has skin in the game because she served in the IDF for two years. She also has family in Israel. Zegler has never served in the Israeli services, hasn't lived in Israel and presumably doesn't have family there. That's the difference between the two. Gadot has a personal interest in the conflict and I could have used this phrase instead. If we are chatting about statements we don't agree with I'm a little confused about why you said that '...I'm only going to engage with substantive arguments.' When everything is mention is backed by facts or published statements from which I derived an opinion. So can you give an illustration on were I've not been substantive? Mrs x | |||
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" When i said skin in the game are you assuming I mean ethnicity? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. I say Gadot has skin in the game because she served in the IDF for two years. She also has family in Israel. Zegler has never served in the Israeli services, hasn't lived in Israel and presumably doesn't have family there. That's the difference between the two. Gadot has a personal interest in the conflict and I could have used this phrase instead. If we are chatting about statements we don't agree with I'm a little confused about why you said that '...I'm only going to engage with substantive arguments.' When everything is mention is backed by facts or published statements from which I derived an opinion. So can you give an illustration on were I've not been substantive? Mrs x" No nothing to do with ethnicity per se. Perhaps if you read the Martin Niemöller poem again you will understand my point about skin in the game. On substantivity I didn't mean everything you had said throughout the entire thread, but in our most recent exchanges we do seem to have been going around in circles a bit. Nothing unusual in that and I mean no disrespect. | |||
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" When i said skin in the game are you assuming I mean ethnicity? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. I say Gadot has skin in the game because she served in the IDF for two years. She also has family in Israel. Zegler has never served in the Israeli services, hasn't lived in Israel and presumably doesn't have family there. That's the difference between the two. Gadot has a personal interest in the conflict and I could have used this phrase instead. If we are chatting about statements we don't agree with I'm a little confused about why you said that '...I'm only going to engage with substantive arguments.' When everything is mention is backed by facts or published statements from which I derived an opinion. So can you give an illustration on were I've not been substantive? Mrs x No nothing to do with ethnicity per se. Perhaps if you read the Martin Niemöller poem again you will understand my point about skin in the game. On substantivity I didn't mean everything you had said throughout the entire thread, but in our most recent exchanges we do seem to have been going around in circles a bit. Nothing unusual in that and I mean no disrespect. " Last thing I promise, when have I assumed anything or deflected either? Mrs x | |||
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"Last thing I promise, when have I assumed anything or deflected either?" You should be a Domme. I could trace back through your many posts on this thread and nitpick but is it really worth it? It would take me about 30 minutes and you'd probably come back and disagree. No doubt you could waste 30 minutes combing through my posts and come up with assumptions and deflections too. Maybe we should just agree to part on good terms and meet again on another thread? | |||
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