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"Hey be careful, the Israeli cavalry will be riding over the hill soon to tell you you're being antisemitic " | |||
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"Does anyone live in this area? If so, I expect they'll be celebrating. Women will get equal rights and gay people won't be persecuted or murdered horribly for just being who they are. Happy days." Exactly. Israeli rule will be a liberation for most. | |||
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"Those "liberated" in Gaza must be overjoyed the IDF is there to help." Christian Aid reporting 250% inflation; 64 pack of nappies £39, and £17.23 for a kilo of sugar The economy has shrunk by 86% in Q1 2024 alone, and 1,900,000 are unemployed living in tents. In other news the share prices of US arms manufacturers has been boosted by the 80,000 tonnes of bombs dropped on Gaza. Forbes: The iShares U.S. Aerospace & Defense exchange-traded fund rose 1.2% as the BlackRock-managed fund indexing the sector hit a new all-time high of its own, extending its 12-month gain to 43%, beating the baseline S&P 500’s 33% rise over the period. | |||
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"Here's another occupation in Syria that, for some reason, doesn't have anyone clutching their pearls: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_occupation_of_northern_Syria "Turkish-controlled areas of Syria comprise a 8,835-square-kilometre area encompassing over 1,000 settlements..."" That is true… I had the Turkish government using this as an excuse for doing the land grab… but not Isreal.. Isreal are basically yet again breaking un resolutions so why should we be surprised Because basically taking out what the Syrian call a “navy” is all in self defence 1st action.. right? | |||
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"Here's another occupation in Syria that, for some reason, doesn't have anyone clutching their pearls: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_occupation_of_northern_Syria "Turkish-controlled areas of Syria comprise a 8,835-square-kilometre area encompassing over 1,000 settlements..." That is true… I had the Turkish government using this as an excuse for doing the land grab… but not Isreal.. Isreal are basically yet again breaking un resolutions so why should we be surprised Because basically taking out what the Syrian call a “navy” is all in self defence 1st action.. right? " It will be interesting to see whether Israel keep to their word, that they are not annexing land and do not want to get involved with Syria's internal issues. Bombing military targets before they get into terrorist hands makes sense. Temporarily incursions to keep a burger secure, perhaps. It will be disappointing if they use this to actually claim any parts of Syria beyond the Golan. Unless (doubtful) a large group of people ask to come under their protection, e.g. Christians, Druze and Kurds in the immediate border area. But that's a big if, and would be quite contentious. And the Kurds are nowhere near there. | |||
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"Here's another occupation in Syria that, for some reason, doesn't have anyone clutching their pearls: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_occupation_of_northern_Syria "Turkish-controlled areas of Syria comprise a 8,835-square-kilometre area encompassing over 1,000 settlements..." That is true… I had the Turkish government using this as an excuse for doing the land grab… but not Isreal.. Isreal are basically yet again breaking un resolutions so why should we be surprised Because basically taking out what the Syrian call a “navy” is all in self defence 1st action.. right? " just watched the ch4 news interviewing Israeli minister and when the question was asked why have you bombed the Syrian navy the answer was basically we won't wait to see what happens in the future. | |||
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"just watched the ch4 news interviewing Israeli minister and when the question was asked why have you bombed the Syrian navy the answer was basically we won't wait to see what happens in the future. " Smart thinking, given all the HTS/rebel footage where they're saying "Israel and Jews are next". Similar thinking to the British in WW2, where we bombed the French navy in port, to deny its resources to the Germans. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir | |||
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"Glad people are finally seeing Israel for the colonising force it has always been ...oh and seeing through the pink washing/liberal fascism they keep trying to pump out. " colonising ? It’s not doing a very good job then it’s one of smallest countries in the Middle East yet still let’s two million Muslims live in Israel how many Jews live in other Middle East countries ? | |||
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"Glad people are finally seeing Israel for the colonising force it has always been ...oh and seeing through the pink washing/liberal fascism they keep trying to pump out. colonising ? It’s not doing a very good job then it’s one of smallest countries in the Middle East yet still let’s two million Muslims live in Israel how many Jews live in other Middle East countries ? " As of 2019 it's down to about 28,000 split between Turkey and, surprisingly, Iran. So it's not many at all, certainly not like 2 million Palestinians living peacefully in Israel, Mrs x | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding)" They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less. | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less." Come on now, how can Israel kill one half of the population and tolerate the other half, these actions are what make Israel a great and progressive country were Palestinians can live in peace as long as one is on the Israeli side and not in Gaza. | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less." Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x" All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage. | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage." There is a linkage, the ones in Israel are thankful for their lives, those in Gaza have no lives or a hope of one. | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage. There is a linkage, the ones in Israel are thankful for their lives, those in Gaza have no lives or a hope of one." Indeed, and the idyllic life of the one group does not counterbalance the extermination of the other. | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage." Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage. There is a linkage, the ones in Israel are thankful for their lives, those in Gaza have no lives or a hope of one. Indeed, and the idyllic life of the one group does not counterbalance the extermination of the other." It's like what you'd get if Wish did Mensa members, not sure if you actually mean what you say. Is this something that's trending on Twitter/X? Mrs x | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage.Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x" How do Israel back out of this? In my opinion they have reached a point that was inevitable, the point at which they are chasing small groups of resistance fighters. This point is reached in every war / conflict, do Israel continue on fighting shadows at great expense to life or start the political process of removing themselves from the area with bilateral agreement towards stability. If that is not a direction you could support, when / where would you consider the end point to be? | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage.Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x How do Israel back out of this? In my opinion they have reached a point that was inevitable, the point at which they are chasing small groups of resistance fighters. This point is reached in every war / conflict, do Israel continue on fighting shadows at great expense to life or start the political process of removing themselves from the area with bilateral agreement towards stability. If that is not a direction you could support, when / where would you consider the end point to be? " Personally I agree with you. There is an issue with the rhetoric, in that they want Hamas eradicated. However if they could find a political solution that would be preferable. The establishment of some sort of 'government' that was acceptable to all parties would be the way forward. It would seem as if the ordinary Palestinians have had their fill of Hamas, as seen in the article from the BBC, referenced by the other poster. So I'd think they would be amenable to such a change. Maybe those Arab states such as Egypt and Jordan could be utilised in brokering such a deal as there would be the inevitable opposition from the Arab League. How would you envision this sort of outcome? Mrs x | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage.Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x" I've explained already, but it appears to gone over your head. A group of apparently content and peaceable Palestinians brings the Tel Aviv regime credibility. It's laughable in it's transparency, yet you've fallen for the ruse. | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage.Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x How do Israel back out of this? In my opinion they have reached a point that was inevitable, the point at which they are chasing small groups of resistance fighters. This point is reached in every war / conflict, do Israel continue on fighting shadows at great expense to life or start the political process of removing themselves from the area with bilateral agreement towards stability. If that is not a direction you could support, when / where would you consider the end point to be? Personally I agree with you. There is an issue with the rhetoric, in that they want Hamas eradicated. However if they could find a political solution that would be preferable. The establishment of some sort of 'government' that was acceptable to all parties would be the way forward. It would seem as if the ordinary Palestinians have had their fill of Hamas, as seen in the article from the BBC, referenced by the other poster. So I'd think they would be amenable to such a change. Maybe those Arab states such as Egypt and Jordan could be utilised in brokering such a deal as there would be the inevitable opposition from the Arab League. How would you envision this sort of outcome? Mrs x" Something similar, I think it would need the US to be part of any negotiations, they are key in securing the trust of Israel and would be listened to as such. Ideally the people of Gaza would vote for their government, but the who that would be is beyond me. I personally think it would be a step in the right direction to see a global effort in rebuilding the infrastructure and housing that would provide work for the Palestinians. That investment in the rebuild is needed, unless that happens I can only see further troubles ahead. Being trapped in a war torn environment offers no standard of living, but it does provide never ending opportunities for revenge. Is that going to bring everything to a satisfactory conclusion, no, but it is a start towards that objective and both sides must agree to compromise. | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage.Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x How do Israel back out of this? In my opinion they have reached a point that was inevitable, the point at which they are chasing small groups of resistance fighters. This point is reached in every war / conflict, do Israel continue on fighting shadows at great expense to life or start the political process of removing themselves from the area with bilateral agreement towards stability. If that is not a direction you could support, when / where would you consider the end point to be? Personally I agree with you. There is an issue with the rhetoric, in that they want Hamas eradicated. However if they could find a political solution that would be preferable. The establishment of some sort of 'government' that was acceptable to all parties would be the way forward. It would seem as if the ordinary Palestinians have had their fill of Hamas, as seen in the article from the BBC, referenced by the other poster. So I'd think they would be amenable to such a change. Maybe those Arab states such as Egypt and Jordan could be utilised in brokering such a deal as there would be the inevitable opposition from the Arab League. How would you envision this sort of outcome? Mrs x Something similar, I think it would need the US to be part of any negotiations, they are key in securing the trust of Israel and would be listened to as such. Ideally the people of Gaza would vote for their government, but the who that would be is beyond me. I personally think it would be a step in the right direction to see a global effort in rebuilding the infrastructure and housing that would provide work for the Palestinians. That investment in the rebuild is needed, unless that happens I can only see further troubles ahead. Being trapped in a war torn environment offers no standard of living, but it does provide never ending opportunities for revenge. Is that going to bring everything to a satisfactory conclusion, no, but it is a start towards that objective and both sides must agree to compromise. " I agree with what you've suggested. The US will undoubtedly have to take a huge part in this my only regret is how much Trump will milk this for his own gain but that's a small price to pay. Elections are problematic, but are essential. They should, unlike the last time not be made up from candidates from known terrorist organisations, and hopefully as secular as possible, and if not then moderate. I'd love to see an infrastructure plan put in place, this would provide opportunities financially and also hopefully encourage a sense of pride and belonging for the local population. This plan should also remedy things Hamas have neglected previously, particularly the water supply, fixing the Aquifer and hopefully building desalination plants. The money for this might be found by tendering out such projects, like they did after the conflict in Iraq but hopefully it will be administered better. There's also the problems with administration, particularly policing. This has been seen in most arenas after such conflicts have 'ended' and any problems with corruption should be stamped on, hard. The real problem is the other players that don't wany peace in the are, particularly Iran. Hopefully the situation in Syria has damaged them enough for them to stay quiet, should a solution be found, if not then ots everyone back on the roundabout again. Mrs x | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage.Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x I've explained already, but it appears to gone over your head. A group of apparently content and peaceable Palestinians brings the Tel Aviv regime credibility. It's laughable in it's transparency, yet you've fallen for the ruse." That's right it's a hoax, committed by the Israelis, using 2 million Palestinians, who are all quite happy to go along with this ruse. Can I just ask is Bacofoil an acceptable brand for making your tinfoil hats because I'll send some around immediately, seems like you are using up your stock quite quickly... haha, Mrs x | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.." I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.." do not believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. The numbers don't back this up, considering the 2 million Palestinians living in Israel. I don't think that they are committing Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank either. Just as I've said I think the killings in Gaza of civilians is terrible but it's because Israel wants to kill Jamas terrorists and unfortunately Hamas are using despicable tactics to ensure their citizens suffer the most in this war. In the West Bank I think those Israelis who are illegally settling there are doing so purely from their perceived rights over property. I don't think it's Ethnic Cleansing because I don't think they would be concerned who they were taking the property from. They'd still try and do it, so whilst I believe it's illegal I don't think it's Ethnic Cleansing per se, they just want their property back, will use whatever means to take it back regardless of who they have to take it from. It's an illegal grab of property and land, using totally despicable methods to obtain this at times. Mrs x | |||
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" It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes." It's easy to understand if you consider Fab as a microcosm of the Western world. There have been three threads recently on the situation in Syria. One on Syria generally. Two on Israel's activities in Syria (who knows why we need two...) The general Syria thread ended up as a thread about Israel. As are the other two. There's an interesting obsession with Israel. Why? Who knows. The lynchings, reprisals and bloodlust of some of the liberators is hardly newsworthy in comparison. Even in threads about Syria. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes." Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet" I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? " This might be a good time to break out the popcorn.... Mrs x | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? " Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken." Let’s put aside the Palestinian people living in Israel. Genocide would need to prove that civilians were purposefully targeted, they would also need to be large scale attacks on civilians that are coordinated with the intent to destroy the whole group not just through the act of war. That is different from war crimes or acts against humanity War crimes: Violations of the laws of war, such as targeting civilians, disproportionate attacks, or failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants. When I read the above, I believe Israel are responsible for war crimes, the case for crimes against humanity could be applied when you add in the attacks in Lebanon and Iran. Do you believe they have systematically gone out to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza? | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x All the more faux credibility for the gullible then eh? In any case, no number of Palestinians within Israel justifies genocide in Gaza, there's absolutely no linkage.Genocide requires the killing of a group, so why only part of a group? Why not kill the group that lives amongst them, why only in Gaza? Might it be that that's were the terrorists are? Or is that just to simple an explanation for you? Mrs x How do Israel back out of this? In my opinion they have reached a point that was inevitable, the point at which they are chasing small groups of resistance fighters. This point is reached in every war / conflict, do Israel continue on fighting shadows at great expense to life or start the political process of removing themselves from the area with bilateral agreement towards stability. If that is not a direction you could support, when / where would you consider the end point to be? Personally I agree with you. There is an issue with the rhetoric, in that they want Hamas eradicated. However if they could find a political solution that would be preferable. The establishment of some sort of 'government' that was acceptable to all parties would be the way forward. It would seem as if the ordinary Palestinians have had their fill of Hamas, as seen in the article from the BBC, referenced by the other poster. So I'd think they would be amenable to such a change. Maybe those Arab states such as Egypt and Jordan could be utilised in brokering such a deal as there would be the inevitable opposition from the Arab League. How would you envision this sort of outcome? Mrs x Something similar, I think it would need the US to be part of any negotiations, they are key in securing the trust of Israel and would be listened to as such. Ideally the people of Gaza would vote for their government, but the who that would be is beyond me. I personally think it would be a step in the right direction to see a global effort in rebuilding the infrastructure and housing that would provide work for the Palestinians. That investment in the rebuild is needed, unless that happens I can only see further troubles ahead. Being trapped in a war torn environment offers no standard of living, but it does provide never ending opportunities for revenge. Is that going to bring everything to a satisfactory conclusion, no, but it is a start towards that objective and both sides must agree to compromise. " the investment in the rebuild should be down to the Israel because I can’t see hamas coughing up to rebuild unless it’s underground tunnels | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken. Let’s put aside the Palestinian people living in Israel. Genocide would need to prove that civilians were purposefully targeted, they would also need to be large scale attacks on civilians that are coordinated with the intent to destroy the whole group not just through the act of war. That is different from war crimes or acts against humanity War crimes: Violations of the laws of war, such as targeting civilians, disproportionate attacks, or failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants. When I read the above, I believe Israel are responsible for war crimes, the case for crimes against humanity could be applied when you add in the attacks in Lebanon and Iran. Do you believe they have systematically gone out to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza? " I think they want to systematically remove all Palestinians from Gaza through intimidation, destruction and an intolerable death toll. Is that genocide? Let's look at what we see with our own eyes not discuss semantics. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken. Let’s put aside the Palestinian people living in Israel. Genocide would need to prove that civilians were purposefully targeted, they would also need to be large scale attacks on civilians that are coordinated with the intent to destroy the whole group not just through the act of war. That is different from war crimes or acts against humanity War crimes: Violations of the laws of war, such as targeting civilians, disproportionate attacks, or failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants. When I read the above, I believe Israel are responsible for war crimes, the case for crimes against humanity could be applied when you add in the attacks in Lebanon and Iran. Do you believe they have systematically gone out to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza? I think they want to systematically remove all Palestinians from Gaza through intimidation, destruction and an intolerable death toll. Is that genocide? Let's look at what we see with our own eyes not discuss semantics." Israel are the only country to drop warning leaflets and creat safe passage in a conflict is that genocide simply put no | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken. Let’s put aside the Palestinian people living in Israel. Genocide would need to prove that civilians were purposefully targeted, they would also need to be large scale attacks on civilians that are coordinated with the intent to destroy the whole group not just through the act of war. That is different from war crimes or acts against humanity War crimes: Violations of the laws of war, such as targeting civilians, disproportionate attacks, or failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants. When I read the above, I believe Israel are responsible for war crimes, the case for crimes against humanity could be applied when you add in the attacks in Lebanon and Iran. Do you believe they have systematically gone out to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza? I think they want to systematically remove all Palestinians from Gaza through intimidation, destruction and an intolerable death toll. Is that genocide? Let's look at what we see with our own eyes not discuss semantics." It isn’t semantics though. When you write they want to systematically remove all Palestinians from Gaza, there is only one way they can do that, and as much as they have been indiscriminate in their attacks, they have not as far as I’m aware attacked civilians as an objective to remove them. It will be investigated and informed people will make the decision, until then I think we are being opinionated, I can’t say you are 100% incorrect as much as you can’t say that to me. I think we could agree however, that the best outcome right now is a ceasefire and a political focus on rebuilding to begin. | |||
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""I want to call it genocide, but I don't want to get into semantics."(Paraphrased) When you want to apply a legal definition, there are criteria to be met. We could otherwise try Keir Starmer for genocide against farmers, because we feel that way. The definition of genocide, crucially, requires an "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a ... group" (https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml). This means that the reason behind any killing is the eradication of a group, as opposed to any military objectives. Once there are military objectives, rather than killing solely for the sake of reduction of numbers, the crime of genocide is no longer obvious. It can still be genocide, but the UN link above explains that: "The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group." So large numbers of deaths do not, in and of themselves, constitute genocide. This is where Hamas miscalculated and gave Israel a green light to go beyond what most of the world find acceptable behaviour. As long as Hamas does not surrender themselves and the Israeli hostages, Israel can simply claim that they have military objectives. Pretty much the only way to *prove* that Israel is committing genocide is to remove those military objectives and see what they do. That means surrender and giving back hostages. Most people know Israel would stop tomorrow if that occured. And if it didn't, then there'd be a good case for genocide. Rhetoric against an enemy is common during any war. Politicians need to be careful to stay away from genocidal language. Politicians from Israel have overstepped this line. Some have been punished, some have been misinterpreted and some have simply been wrong and got away with it. This is where the ICJ had told Israel to stay on top of the language used. This does not prove intent for genocide necessarily, but it can if it is widespread enough and actions prove this to be the case. This threshold *clearly is being approached but had not been met*, as evidenced by the fairly mild warning (relatively speaking) from the ICJ (as opposed to the prosecutors). And clarifications former head of the ICJ on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919 ." it’s your right to call it genocide or anything else you want but it’s just not tho | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken. Let’s put aside the Palestinian people living in Israel. Genocide would need to prove that civilians were purposefully targeted, they would also need to be large scale attacks on civilians that are coordinated with the intent to destroy the whole group not just through the act of war. That is different from war crimes or acts against humanity War crimes: Violations of the laws of war, such as targeting civilians, disproportionate attacks, or failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants. When I read the above, I believe Israel are responsible for war crimes, the case for crimes against humanity could be applied when you add in the attacks in Lebanon and Iran. Do you believe they have systematically gone out to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza? I think they want to systematically remove all Palestinians from Gaza through intimidation, destruction and an intolerable death toll. Is that genocide? Let's look at what we see with our own eyes not discuss semantics. Israel are the only country to drop warning leaflets and creat safe passage in a conflict is that genocide simply put no " That's very gracious of them to drop leaflets on people locked behind barbed wire fences and with nowhere to go except the safety zones that get direct hits. Such a merciful people. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken.So we're all the major conflicts during any major war genocidal then because they all seem to fit your criteria? Waddling aside of course, Mrs x" | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken.So we're all the major conflicts during any major war genocidal then because they all seem to fit your criteria? Waddling aside of course, Mrs x That's not with respect applicable, not in Vietnam, World war 1&2, Boer war, Afghanistan, Iraq, Napoleonic, American civil war or multiple others in history where combatants have sought to destroy the other sides forces.. And yes that's not saying at all that in pretty much all ears there's civilian deaths and acts by one or both sides that transgress the rules governing what are potential war crimes..In all those conflicts you've mentioned civilians have died. However Gaza is an Urban war and civilians are killed at a higher percentage in these conflicts than others, so let me refrain my question, are all Urban wars examples of genocide because THEY seem to suit your criteria? Mrs x" Not sure why your repeating the points I clearly made about civilian deaths in conflicts.. Your getting me mixed up with another poster, I've said above I don't think it is genocide therefore I don't have a criteria in relation to urban warfare.. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken.So we're all the major conflicts during any major war genocidal then because they all seem to fit your criteria? Waddling aside of course, Mrs x That's not with respect applicable, not in Vietnam, World war 1&2, Boer war, Afghanistan, Iraq, Napoleonic, American civil war or multiple others in history where combatants have sought to destroy the other sides forces.. And yes that's not saying at all that in pretty much all ears there's civilian deaths and acts by one or both sides that transgress the rules governing what are potential war crimes..In all those conflicts you've mentioned civilians have died. However Gaza is an Urban war and civilians are killed at a higher percentage in these conflicts than others, so let me refrain my question, are all Urban wars examples of genocide because THEY seem to suit your criteria? Mrs x Not sure why your repeating the points I clearly made about civilian deaths in conflicts.. Your getting me mixed up with another poster, I've said above I don't think it is genocide therefore I don't have a criteria in relation to urban warfare..Because I made a mistake and thought I was responding to the poster who, when talking about genocide, said he "know[s] Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilian". You have posted next and that's why I clarified I was talking about Urban warfare by asking "are all Urban wars examples of genocide because THEY seem to suit your criteria?". I just happened to ask the wrong person... you. So sorry for that, can you forgive me haha, Mrs x" I think your question was directed at me, but tbh it's just more whataboutism to deflect from the specific issue in the thread. How can anybody possibly give a meaningful reply on 'all Urban wars', The question is facile. | |||
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"On the subject of genocide... Ireland is concerned that Israel is not, actually, committing genocide... " No sorry, what you have written is not a representation of what was has been said at all. This from Irishlegal.com 'Human rights experts have welcomed the Irish government’s decision to intervene in cases alleging genocide by Israel and Myanmar in the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Tánaiste and foreign affairs minister Micheál Martin yesterday confirmed the government will intervene in South Africa v Israel as well as The Gambia v Myanmar. “There has been a collective punishment of the Palestinian people through the intent and impact of military actions of Israel in Gaza, leaving 44,000 dead and millions of civilians displaced,” Mr Martin said. “By legally intervening in South Africa’s case, Ireland will be asking the ICJ to broaden its interpretation of what constitutes the commission of genocide by a state. “We are concerned that a very narrow interpretation of what constitutes genocide leads to a culture of impunity in which the protection of civilians is minimised. “Ireland’s view of the Convention is broader and prioritises the protection of civilian life — as a committed supporter of the Convention, the government will promote that interpretation in its intervention in this case.” Mr Martin added: “Intervening in both cases demonstrates the consistency of Ireland’s approach to the interpretation and application of the Genocide Convention.” Michael Becker, an assistant professor of law at Trinity College Dublin who specialises in international law and human rights, told Irish Legal News it makes “good strategic sense” for Ireland to intervene in both cases.' | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken. Let’s put aside the Palestinian people living in Israel. Genocide would need to prove that civilians were purposefully targeted, they would also need to be large scale attacks on civilians that are coordinated with the intent to destroy the whole group not just through the act of war. That is different from war crimes or acts against humanity War crimes: Violations of the laws of war, such as targeting civilians, disproportionate attacks, or failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants. When I read the above, I believe Israel are responsible for war crimes, the case for crimes against humanity could be applied when you add in the attacks in Lebanon and Iran. Do you believe they have systematically gone out to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza? I think they want to systematically remove all Palestinians from Gaza through intimidation, destruction and an intolerable death toll. Is that genocide? Let's look at what we see with our own eyes not discuss semantics. Israel are the only country to drop warning leaflets and creat safe passage in a conflict is that genocide simply put no " That statement is true they dropped leaflets which directed the population to safe zones, but the issue was/is they then bomb the area they sent the population to. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken.So we're all the major conflicts during any major war genocidal then because they all seem to fit your criteria? Waddling aside of course, Mrs x That's not with respect applicable, not in Vietnam, World war 1&2, Boer war, Afghanistan, Iraq, Napoleonic, American civil war or multiple others in history where combatants have sought to destroy the other sides forces.. And yes that's not saying at all that in pretty much all ears there's civilian deaths and acts by one or both sides that transgress the rules governing what are potential war crimes..In all those conflicts you've mentioned civilians have died. However Gaza is an Urban war and civilians are killed at a higher percentage in these conflicts than others, so let me refrain my question, are all Urban wars examples of genocide because THEY seem to suit your criteria? Mrs x" Please refer yourself to my post on urban warfare were you tried say today all urban warfare has high civilian deaths. you suggested examples were I debunked everyone of your examples. Under international law civilians must have a passage of escape, that's why they are called refugees, they are fleeing a war zone or disaster. The difference in Gaza is that they are walled in and not allowed to leave instead they must stay and endure bombing nightly daily with no means of escape. | |||
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"On the subject of genocide... Ireland is concerned that Israel is not, actually, committing genocide... No sorry, what you have written is not a representation of what was has been said at all. " Actually, it's a good summary. Ireland's written explanation is spin for "moving the goalposts" to include what Israel is doing. The proposition may or may not make sense/be right, but that's what it is. | |||
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"... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (D) Imposing Measures Intended To Prevent Births Within The Group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. So the high number of murders of unarmed civilians are women and children. When they are murdered, there will be no more babies from the murdered women and children who will never grow up to bare children. Lets say the children would have grown up to bare children, but they will not as they are dead. because they have been murdered. Im my mind and in paragraph D, we agree on genocide." The definition is applied as a deliberate act that is not part of war, in other words, they would be specifically preventing women from having children. Civilians killed during military actions is not genocide. There is a lot of evidence that war crimes have been committed. | |||
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" Actually, it's a good summary. Ireland's written explanation is spin for "moving the goalposts" to include what Israel is doing. The proposition may or may not make sense/be right, but that's what it is." In Ireland's opinion it is genocide. They aren't concerned that it may not be, your premise, they do however want further focus on the "...culture of impunity in which the protection of civilians is minimised..." From what I posted above “There has been a collective punishment of the Palestinian people through the intent and impact of military actions of Israel in Gaza, leaving 44,000 dead and millions of civilians displaced,” I'd say attempting to slow this down definitely makes sense/is right. So we, I'm assuming two layman, are arguing about the legal definition of genocide, as are Ireland et al. What's your thoughts on what Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. You happy to agree it's just a war crime then if it isn't genocide? | |||
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" Actually, it's a good summary. Ireland's written explanation is spin for "moving the goalposts" to include what Israel is doing. The proposition may or may not make sense/be right, but that's what it is. In Ireland's opinion it is genocide. They aren't concerned that it may not be, your premise, they do however want further focus on the "...culture of impunity in which the protection of civilians is minimised..." From what I posted above “There has been a collective punishment of the Palestinian people through the intent and impact of military actions of Israel in Gaza, leaving 44,000 dead and millions of civilians displaced,” I'd say attempting to slow this down definitely makes sense/is right. So we, I'm assuming two layman, are arguing about the legal definition of genocide, as are Ireland et al. What's your thoughts on what Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. You happy to agree it's just a war crime then if it isn't genocide?" If Ireland are trying to broaden the scope of genocide it would indicate that Israel are falling outside of the original definition, if they were inside the definition there would be no need to broaden the scope. | |||
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"Genocide has occurred throughout human history, even during prehistoric times, but is particularly likely in situations of imperial expansion and power consolidation. Therefore, it is usually associated with colonial empires and settler colonies, as well as with both world wars and repressive governments in the twentieth century. The colloquial understanding of genocide is heavily influenced by the Holocaust as its archetype and is conceived as innocent victims targeted for their ethnic identity rather than for any political reason. Genocide is widely considered to be the epitome of human evil and often referred to as the "crime of crimes"; consequently, events are often denounced as genocide. Interesting the caption above mentions settler colonies." We are playing around with words and strict definitions here aren't we? Organisations like the UN and Amnesty think there is a prima facie case for genocide. But whatever we call it, the 40,000 mostly civilians lying under the rubble are just as dead. Should we shrug it off as collateral damage? “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” | |||
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" So we, I'm assuming two layman, are arguing about the legal definition of genocide, as are Ireland et al. " Nope. The definition of genocide is very clear. We are arguing over the political decision to move the goalposts and change the (clear and established) definition. " What's your thoughts on what Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. You happy to agree it's just a war crime then if it isn't genocide?" There are clearly acts that appear to be war crimes, but it is not clear that these are anything other than isolated, and they are deliberate policy. Israel comes very close to these (as does any large army in an urban/terrorist environment) and two things need to happen: steps need to be taken by both Israel and the international community to prevent any war crimes, and there must be a full reckoning even the time is right. What appears to be happening, however, is a political shitshow based upon prejudice. *That does not exonerate Israel and its politicians*, but it's pretty undeniable. This is evident from the disproportionate focus and occasional inflation of what Israel does in comparison to many other regimes - this is not whataboutism, it is looking at the disproportionate castigation from the wider world. Again, this is not to distract from any real wrongs by Israel. | |||
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" Should we shrug it off as collateral damage? " No. It should be mourned as the senseless waste of life stemming from terrorism, and an attempt of a small nation to defend itself from an existential threat from a surrounding ideology intent on it's destruction, in an urban environment, against an enemy who breaks every rule in the book. It should be a lesson to those who tolerate such beliefs in their midst. | |||
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"Genocide has occurred throughout human history, even during prehistoric times, but is particularly likely in situations of imperial expansion and power consolidation. Therefore, it is usually associated with colonial empires and settler colonies, as well as with both world wars and repressive governments in the twentieth century. The colloquial understanding of genocide is heavily influenced by the Holocaust as its archetype and is conceived as innocent victims targeted for their ethnic identity rather than for any political reason. Genocide is widely considered to be the epitome of human evil and often referred to as the "crime of crimes"; consequently, events are often denounced as genocide. Interesting the caption above mentions settler colonies. We are playing around with words and strict definitions here aren't we? Organisations like the UN and Amnesty think there is a prima facie case for genocide. But whatever we call it, the 40,000 mostly civilians lying under the rubble are just as dead. Should we shrug it off as collateral damage? “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” " Nobody is shrugging off the deaths of Palestinians, and we are not playing with words. It is important to know exactly the act being carried out, below were acts of genocide. The Holocaust (1941–1945) Armenian Genocide (1915–1923) Rwandan Genocide (1994) Khmer Rouge Genocide (1975–1979) | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world." This is why it is important to have exact definition! The IDF are not conducting the same atrocities as the Nazi's. | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. " 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away. | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. This is why it is important to have exact definition! The IDF are not conducting the same atrocities as the Nazi's. " It is the experience of living under mass killings and what that would bring to me, I snubbed my toe this morning it really hurt, but I wouldn't wish it on you as I know the experience. | |||
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"Genocide has occurred throughout human history, even during prehistoric times, but is particularly likely in situations of imperial expansion and power consolidation. Therefore, it is usually associated with colonial empires and settler colonies, as well as with both world wars and repressive governments in the twentieth century. The colloquial understanding of genocide is heavily influenced by the Holocaust as its archetype and is conceived as innocent victims targeted for their ethnic identity rather than for any political reason. Genocide is widely considered to be the epitome of human evil and often referred to as the "crime of crimes"; consequently, events are often denounced as genocide. Interesting the caption above mentions settler colonies. We are playing around with words and strict definitions here aren't we? Organisations like the UN and Amnesty think there is a prima facie case for genocide. But whatever we call it, the 40,000 mostly civilians lying under the rubble are just as dead. Should we shrug it off as collateral damage? “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” " No one will ever know how many are/were under the rubble. As no press are allowed in MSM hardly shows the reports from journalists trapped in Gaza so the actual total death toll will never be known I am afraid. | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away." So how are the actions of the Israelis comparable to those of the Nazis. Israel is at war with Hamas, a terrorist group. Civilians have been killed as a result of this war, on both sides. Israel have stated they want to remove Hamas as a threat to the state of Israel. The Nazis targeted civillian portions of the local population. This began in 1933, the concentration camp Dachau was opened this year. So for 6 years prior to the start of the war Nazis were persecuting Jews, planning their TOTAL annihilation. So how is this the same as what's happening today? Is Israel compounding, processing, transporting, poisoning and ultimately burning the civilian population of Gaza. Are you saying this is their plan? Just so I know how depraved your view is on this matter. It's not the same, no matter how much you say it's the same. Almost 3,000 Jews were killed every day throughout the war. That means it took less than two weeks for the Nazis to murder the same numbers of civilians who have been tragically killed in Gaza. They then continued at this rate, 3,000 men, woman, children and babies a day for almost 6 years. So it's not the same, nowhere near but doubt if you'll agree, you don't even accept one baby burnt in an oven, it's a vile comparison. Mrs x | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away.So how are the actions of the Israelis comparable to those of the Nazis. Israel is at war with Hamas, a terrorist group. Civilians have been killed as a result of this war, on both sides. Israel have stated they want to remove Hamas as a threat to the state of Israel. The Nazis targeted civillian portions of the local population. This began in 1933, the concentration camp Dachau was opened this year. So for 6 years prior to the start of the war Nazis were persecuting Jews, planning their TOTAL annihilation. So how is this the same as what's happening today? Is Israel compounding, processing, transporting, poisoning and ultimately burning the civilian population of Gaza. Are you saying this is their plan? Just so I know how depraved your view is on this matter. It's not the same, no matter how much you say it's the same. Almost 3,000 Jews were killed every day throughout the war. That means it took less than two weeks for the Nazis to murder the same numbers of civilians who have been tragically killed in Gaza. They then continued at this rate, 3,000 men, woman, children and babies a day for almost 6 years. So it's not the same, nowhere near but doubt if you'll agree, you don't even accept one baby burnt in an oven, it's a vile comparison. Mrs x" You and another poster mention the N word not me. So you need to ask yourself why are you mentioned it. | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away.So how are the actions of the Israelis comparable to those of the Nazis. Israel is at war with Hamas, a terrorist group. Civilians have been killed as a result of this war, on both sides. Israel have stated they want to remove Hamas as a threat to the state of Israel. The Nazis targeted civillian portions of the local population. This began in 1933, the concentration camp Dachau was opened this year. So for 6 years prior to the start of the war Nazis were persecuting Jews, planning their TOTAL annihilation. So how is this the same as what's happening today? Is Israel compounding, processing, transporting, poisoning and ultimately burning the civilian population of Gaza. Are you saying this is their plan? Just so I know how depraved your view is on this matter. It's not the same, no matter how much you say it's the same. Almost 3,000 Jews were killed every day throughout the war. That means it took less than two weeks for the Nazis to murder the same numbers of civilians who have been tragically killed in Gaza. They then continued at this rate, 3,000 men, woman, children and babies a day for almost 6 years. So it's not the same, nowhere near but doubt if you'll agree, you don't even accept one baby burnt in an oven, it's a vile comparison. Mrs x You and another poster mention the N word not me. So you need to ask yourself why are you mentioned it." Not sure if you are just obtuse or challenged in some way, I hope it's the former. You mention 6 million Jews were murdered during the war. Now unless I'm mistaken there's only been one war we're that number of Jews were killed. In that war it's obvious who were committing those murders, it was the Nazis, you know that, I know that everyone knows that. That's why I mentioned Nazis, unless you are referring to another N word which I'm oblivious too. Just read what you write before posting silly things in subsequent posts, it makes it less boring for other forumites. Mrs c | |||
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"Copied and pasted from news article dated may 24th 2024. An article regarding burnt babies. Claim: A video published on social media on 1 November 2023 by journalist Benjamin Sales shows first responder Asher Moskowitz claiming that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven on 7 October 2023. Fact: To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into both Israeli and US media sources. Through this consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which compiled the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes on the 7 October massacre, disputes the claim and presents evidence that contradicts it. Two independent journalists also investigated the matter and found no substantiated reports of any such incident. The IDF Spokesman’s Office and ZAKA, a volunteer organisation dealing with bodies, did not provide any official statement or information regarding the case. Therefore, the claim cannot be verified. On 7 October 2023, a violent confrontation erupted at the Gaza border between Israeli forces and Hamas militants, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis. On 1 November 2023, journalist Benjamin Sales posted a video on his X account, showing the Israeli government’s rescue worker, Asher Moskowitz recounting his experience during the attack. In the video, Moskowitz claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. The video quickly went viral on social media, attracting more than 152,000 views, 372 likes and 335 reposts on X. It was also picked up by the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, which published an article on 2 November 2023 with the headline: “Hamas killers ‘roasted babies in an oven’ during October 7 terror attack, Israeli first responder claims“. The article amplified the claim by stating that multiple babies were burned by Hamas. To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into Israeli media sources. Through this media consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist to back this claim. Haaretz There is no official confirmation or evidence to support the claim that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven during the Gaza border massacre. The claim contradicts the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes as compiled by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which utilised information from government sources and eyewitness accounts. The newspaper uses data from the National Insurance and details gathered from crime scenes, kibbutz leaders, and the police to compile this list. The newspaper, in a report published on 3 December 2023, disputes the claim made by Moskowitz and presents evidence that challenges it. According to Haaretz, the only infants killed in the massacre were one-year-old Mila Cohen from Kibbutz Bari and a baby who died after being shot in the stomach of her mother, a pregnant Bedouin woman who was travelling to Soroka hospital due to contractions. The article also states that an official at the rescue union said “the source of the mistake was a volunteer”. This story also contradicts the Moskowitz’ claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. Haaretz also refers to the story as a “false claim” in an article titled “Denial of Hamas’ October 7 Massacre Is Gaining Pace Online”, citing it as an example of a case where false claims encourage some to deny the attack as a whole. While discussing the weaponization of false claims by the IDF, the article states: “Other weapons include the few cases of false or unsubstantiated claims by Israelis; for example, the false claim about a baby that was “baked in an oven” by Hamas terrorists. These isolated cases have become ammunition in the hands of deniers.” Put in your search engine "Media consensus revel no evidence of Israeli baby burnt in oven by Hamas". As there is a lot more. " You've already been given links to articles from international news agencies, world renowned press sources and the top digital analyst firm all quoting it was real. You refused to read any. So why would I bother with anything you supply when you quote from twitter and YouTube Mrs x | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away.So how are the actions of the Israelis comparable to those of the Nazis. Israel is at war with Hamas, a terrorist group. Civilians have been killed as a result of this war, on both sides. Israel have stated they want to remove Hamas as a threat to the state of Israel. The Nazis targeted civillian portions of the local population. This began in 1933, the concentration camp Dachau was opened this year. So for 6 years prior to the start of the war Nazis were persecuting Jews, planning their TOTAL annihilation. So how is this the same as what's happening today? Is Israel compounding, processing, transporting, poisoning and ultimately burning the civilian population of Gaza. Are you saying this is their plan? Just so I know how depraved your view is on this matter. It's not the same, no matter how much you say it's the same. Almost 3,000 Jews were killed every day throughout the war. That means it took less than two weeks for the Nazis to murder the same numbers of civilians who have been tragically killed in Gaza. They then continued at this rate, 3,000 men, woman, children and babies a day for almost 6 years. So it's not the same, nowhere near but doubt if you'll agree, you don't even accept one baby burnt in an oven, it's a vile comparison. Mrs x You and another poster mention the N word not me. So you need to ask yourself why are you mentioned it.Not sure if you are just obtuse or challenged in some way, I hope it's the former. You mention 6 million Jews were murdered during the war. Now unless I'm mistaken there's only been one war we're that number of Jews were killed. In that war it's obvious who were committing those murders, it was the Nazis, you know that, I know that everyone knows that. That's why I mentioned Nazis, unless you are referring to another N word which I'm oblivious too. Just read what you write before posting silly things in subsequent posts, it makes it less boring for other forumites. Mrs c " I do read what I write as I read yours and you mention nazi not me, I refer to 6 million people killed and years later their descendants do the same, that's my observation, when you read my post you mention nazi not me | |||
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"Copied and pasted from news article dated may 24th 2024. An article regarding burnt babies. Claim: A video published on social media on 1 November 2023 by journalist Benjamin Sales shows first responder Asher Moskowitz claiming that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven on 7 October 2023. Fact: To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into both Israeli and US media sources. Through this consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which compiled the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes on the 7 October massacre, disputes the claim and presents evidence that contradicts it. Two independent journalists also investigated the matter and found no substantiated reports of any such incident. The IDF Spokesman’s Office and ZAKA, a volunteer organisation dealing with bodies, did not provide any official statement or information regarding the case. Therefore, the claim cannot be verified. On 7 October 2023, a violent confrontation erupted at the Gaza border between Israeli forces and Hamas militants, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis. On 1 November 2023, journalist Benjamin Sales posted a video on his X account, showing the Israeli government’s rescue worker, Asher Moskowitz recounting his experience during the attack. In the video, Moskowitz claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. The video quickly went viral on social media, attracting more than 152,000 views, 372 likes and 335 reposts on X. It was also picked up by the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, which published an article on 2 November 2023 with the headline: “Hamas killers ‘roasted babies in an oven’ during October 7 terror attack, Israeli first responder claims“. The article amplified the claim by stating that multiple babies were burned by Hamas. To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into Israeli media sources. Through this media consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist to back this claim. Haaretz There is no official confirmation or evidence to support the claim that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven during the Gaza border massacre. The claim contradicts the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes as compiled by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which utilised information from government sources and eyewitness accounts. The newspaper uses data from the National Insurance and details gathered from crime scenes, kibbutz leaders, and the police to compile this list. The newspaper, in a report published on 3 December 2023, disputes the claim made by Moskowitz and presents evidence that challenges it. According to Haaretz, the only infants killed in the massacre were one-year-old Mila Cohen from Kibbutz Bari and a baby who died after being shot in the stomach of her mother, a pregnant Bedouin woman who was travelling to Soroka hospital due to contractions. The article also states that an official at the rescue union said “the source of the mistake was a volunteer”. This story also contradicts the Moskowitz’ claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. Haaretz also refers to the story as a “false claim” in an article titled “Denial of Hamas’ October 7 Massacre Is Gaining Pace Online”, citing it as an example of a case where false claims encourage some to deny the attack as a whole. While discussing the weaponization of false claims by the IDF, the article states: “Other weapons include the few cases of false or unsubstantiated claims by Israelis; for example, the false claim about a baby that was “baked in an oven” by Hamas terrorists. These isolated cases have become ammunition in the hands of deniers.” Put in your search engine "Media consensus revel no evidence of Israeli baby burnt in oven by Hamas". As there is a lot more. You've already been given links to articles from international news agencies, world renowned press sources and the top digital analyst firm all quoting it was real. You refused to read any. So why would I bother with anything you supply when you quote from twitter and YouTube Mrs x" You have never offered myself links to read. It is hard when you see the truth, it is called being debunked. | |||
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"Genocide is an emotive and false statement in relation to Israel's conduct which in the west bank is simply unlawful and immoral and has been allowed to go on unchecked for years .. Ethnic cleansing is a more accurate destination for their actions.. I think you have hit the nail on the head ref it is not genocide. I was listening to a radio show a while back. A lawyer described the differences between genocide, war crimes and acts against humanity. I clearly remember at the time that war crimes have been committed, but not genocide. It would be good to understand why some people hold Israel to genocide and not war crimes. Hmmm a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet I think it is important to frame things correctly. As you can imagine, I'm no expert in this and hence the open question, to establish why people are saying it is genocide. If I can see the reasoning, I can apply that to the definition and I get a better understanding of the reasoning, whether it be correct or not. Why do you believe Israel are guilty of genocide? Well for a start the UN seem to think there's a case to answer. That apart, it's my judgement from actions and images in front of my eyes. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. I know Gaza is problematic and effectively a proxy state of Iran, I know about Hamas, but none of that justifies levelling a city and slaying 10,000s of civilians, amongst them many children. If it's not genocide, it's within a whisker, and that's close enough to be investigated and appropriate actions taken. Let’s put aside the Palestinian people living in Israel. Genocide would need to prove that civilians were purposefully targeted, they would also need to be large scale attacks on civilians that are coordinated with the intent to destroy the whole group not just through the act of war. That is different from war crimes or acts against humanity War crimes: Violations of the laws of war, such as targeting civilians, disproportionate attacks, or failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants. When I read the above, I believe Israel are responsible for war crimes, the case for crimes against humanity could be applied when you add in the attacks in Lebanon and Iran. Do you believe they have systematically gone out to destroy all Palestinians in Gaza? I think they want to systematically remove all Palestinians from Gaza through intimidation, destruction and an intolerable death toll. Is that genocide? Let's look at what we see with our own eyes not discuss semantics. Israel are the only country to drop warning leaflets and creat safe passage in a conflict is that genocide simply put no That's very gracious of them to drop leaflets on people locked behind barbed wire fences and with nowhere to go except the safety zones that get direct hits. Such a merciful people." it’s more than hamas gave them when they invaded Israel murdered and r@ped young ppl at a rave ffs | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away.So how are the actions of the Israelis comparable to those of the Nazis. Israel is at war with Hamas, a terrorist group. Civilians have been killed as a result of this war, on both sides. Israel have stated they want to remove Hamas as a threat to the state of Israel. The Nazis targeted civillian portions of the local population. This began in 1933, the concentration camp Dachau was opened this year. So for 6 years prior to the start of the war Nazis were persecuting Jews, planning their TOTAL annihilation. So how is this the same as what's happening today? Is Israel compounding, processing, transporting, poisoning and ultimately burning the civilian population of Gaza. Are you saying this is their plan? Just so I know how depraved your view is on this matter. It's not the same, no matter how much you say it's the same. Almost 3,000 Jews were killed every day throughout the war. That means it took less than two weeks for the Nazis to murder the same numbers of civilians who have been tragically killed in Gaza. They then continued at this rate, 3,000 men, woman, children and babies a day for almost 6 years. So it's not the same, nowhere near but doubt if you'll agree, you don't even accept one baby burnt in an oven, it's a vile comparison. Mrs x You and another poster mention the N word not me. So you need to ask yourself why are you mentioned it.Not sure if you are just obtuse or challenged in some way, I hope it's the former. You mention 6 million Jews were murdered during the war. Now unless I'm mistaken there's only been one war we're that number of Jews were killed. In that war it's obvious who were committing those murders, it was the Nazis, you know that, I know that everyone knows that. That's why I mentioned Nazis, unless you are referring to another N word which I'm oblivious too. Just read what you write before posting silly things in subsequent posts, it makes it less boring for other forumites. Mrs c I do read what I write as I read yours and you mention nazi not me, I refer to 6 million people killed and years later their descendants do the same, that's my observation, when you read my post you mention nazi not me" it’s not the same no concentration camps or gas chambers pls get a grip | |||
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"Copied and pasted from news article dated may 24th 2024. An article regarding burnt babies. Claim: A video published on social media on 1 November 2023 by journalist Benjamin Sales shows first responder Asher Moskowitz claiming that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven on 7 October 2023. Fact: To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into both Israeli and US media sources. Through this consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which compiled the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes on the 7 October massacre, disputes the claim and presents evidence that contradicts it. Two independent journalists also investigated the matter and found no substantiated reports of any such incident. The IDF Spokesman’s Office and ZAKA, a volunteer organisation dealing with bodies, did not provide any official statement or information regarding the case. Therefore, the claim cannot be verified. On 7 October 2023, a violent confrontation erupted at the Gaza border between Israeli forces and Hamas militants, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis. On 1 November 2023, journalist Benjamin Sales posted a video on his X account, showing the Israeli government’s rescue worker, Asher Moskowitz recounting his experience during the attack. In the video, Moskowitz claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. The video quickly went viral on social media, attracting more than 152,000 views, 372 likes and 335 reposts on X. It was also picked up by the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, which published an article on 2 November 2023 with the headline: “Hamas killers ‘roasted babies in an oven’ during October 7 terror attack, Israeli first responder claims“. The article amplified the claim by stating that multiple babies were burned by Hamas. To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into Israeli media sources. Through this media consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist to back this claim. Haaretz There is no official confirmation or evidence to support the claim that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven during the Gaza border massacre. The claim contradicts the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes as compiled by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which utilised information from government sources and eyewitness accounts. The newspaper uses data from the National Insurance and details gathered from crime scenes, kibbutz leaders, and the police to compile this list. The newspaper, in a report published on 3 December 2023, disputes the claim made by Moskowitz and presents evidence that challenges it. According to Haaretz, the only infants killed in the massacre were one-year-old Mila Cohen from Kibbutz Bari and a baby who died after being shot in the stomach of her mother, a pregnant Bedouin woman who was travelling to Soroka hospital due to contractions. The article also states that an official at the rescue union said “the source of the mistake was a volunteer”. This story also contradicts the Moskowitz’ claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. Haaretz also refers to the story as a “false claim” in an article titled “Denial of Hamas’ October 7 Massacre Is Gaining Pace Online”, citing it as an example of a case where false claims encourage some to deny the attack as a whole. While discussing the weaponization of false claims by the IDF, the article states: “Other weapons include the few cases of false or unsubstantiated claims by Israelis; for example, the false claim about a baby that was “baked in an oven” by Hamas terrorists. These isolated cases have become ammunition in the hands of deniers.” Put in your search engine "Media consensus revel no evidence of Israeli baby burnt in oven by Hamas". As there is a lot more. You've already been given links to articles from international news agencies, world renowned press sources and the top digital analyst firm all quoting it was real. You refused to read any. So why would I bother with anything you supply when you quote from twitter and YouTube Mrs x You have never offered myself links to read. It is hard when you see the truth, it is called being debunked." I have, you know I have but here's a small snippet of an article from France 24. "Debunked Was this photo of a dead Israeli baby AI-generated? When AI-detection errors muddle public debate. On October 12, the official account of the state of Israel posted an image of a tiny, charred body, claiming that the image showed a baby killed by Hamas during the attacks carried out on October 7. In the hours after the image was posted, social media users began to comment, saying that the image had been generated by artificial intelligence, according to the AI detection tool AI or Not. However, several experts – as well as the company behind AI or Not – have said these findings were wrong and that the photo is likely real." So what's this de-debunked? Go Google it but look at the reports from the digital image experts they go into great depth but it's quite technical. But that picture of a burnt baby was real. Not going to discuss this further as it just gives you an excuse not to explain your horrendous comparisons to Gaza and the Holocaust. Mrs x | |||
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"Copied and pasted from news article dated may 24th 2024. An article regarding burnt babies. Claim: A video published on social media on 1 November 2023 by journalist Benjamin Sales shows first responder Asher Moskowitz claiming that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven on 7 October 2023. Fact: To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into both Israeli and US media sources. Through this consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which compiled the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes on the 7 October massacre, disputes the claim and presents evidence that contradicts it. Two independent journalists also investigated the matter and found no substantiated reports of any such incident. The IDF Spokesman’s Office and ZAKA, a volunteer organisation dealing with bodies, did not provide any official statement or information regarding the case. Therefore, the claim cannot be verified. On 7 October 2023, a violent confrontation erupted at the Gaza border between Israeli forces and Hamas militants, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis. On 1 November 2023, journalist Benjamin Sales posted a video on his X account, showing the Israeli government’s rescue worker, Asher Moskowitz recounting his experience during the attack. In the video, Moskowitz claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. The video quickly went viral on social media, attracting more than 152,000 views, 372 likes and 335 reposts on X. It was also picked up by the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, which published an article on 2 November 2023 with the headline: “Hamas killers ‘roasted babies in an oven’ during October 7 terror attack, Israeli first responder claims“. The article amplified the claim by stating that multiple babies were burned by Hamas. To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into Israeli media sources. Through this media consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist to back this claim. Haaretz There is no official confirmation or evidence to support the claim that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven during the Gaza border massacre. The claim contradicts the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes as compiled by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which utilised information from government sources and eyewitness accounts. The newspaper uses data from the National Insurance and details gathered from crime scenes, kibbutz leaders, and the police to compile this list. The newspaper, in a report published on 3 December 2023, disputes the claim made by Moskowitz and presents evidence that challenges it. According to Haaretz, the only infants killed in the massacre were one-year-old Mila Cohen from Kibbutz Bari and a baby who died after being shot in the stomach of her mother, a pregnant Bedouin woman who was travelling to Soroka hospital due to contractions. The article also states that an official at the rescue union said “the source of the mistake was a volunteer”. This story also contradicts the Moskowitz’ claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. Haaretz also refers to the story as a “false claim” in an article titled “Denial of Hamas’ October 7 Massacre Is Gaining Pace Online”, citing it as an example of a case where false claims encourage some to deny the attack as a whole. While discussing the weaponization of false claims by the IDF, the article states: “Other weapons include the few cases of false or unsubstantiated claims by Israelis; for example, the false claim about a baby that was “baked in an oven” by Hamas terrorists. These isolated cases have become ammunition in the hands of deniers.” Put in your search engine "Media consensus revel no evidence of Israeli baby burnt in oven by Hamas". As there is a lot more. You've already been given links to articles from international news agencies, world renowned press sources and the top digital analyst firm all quoting it was real. You refused to read any. So why would I bother with anything you supply when you quote from twitter and YouTube Mrs x You have never offered myself links to read. It is hard when you see the truth, it is called being debunked.I have, you know I have but here's a small snippet of an article from France 24. "Debunked Was this photo of a dead Israeli baby AI-generated? When AI-detection errors muddle public debate. On October 12, the official account of the state of Israel posted an image of a tiny, charred body, claiming that the image showed a baby killed by Hamas during the attacks carried out on October 7. In the hours after the image was posted, social media users began to comment, saying that the image had been generated by artificial intelligence, according to the AI detection tool AI or Not. However, several experts – as well as the company behind AI or Not – have said these findings were wrong and that the photo is likely real." So what's this de-debunked? Go Google it but look at the reports from the digital image experts they go into great depth but it's quite technical. But that picture of a burnt baby was real. Not going to discuss this further as it just gives you an excuse not to explain your horrendous comparisons to Gaza and the Holocaust. Mrs x"  the young blond girl getting dragged down the street while palistinians cheer in the streets that didn’t happen either it’s amazing how hamas and even the palistine ppl are totally blameless in this conflict to some ppl | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away.So how are the actions of the Israelis comparable to those of the Nazis. Israel is at war with Hamas, a terrorist group. Civilians have been killed as a result of this war, on both sides. Israel have stated they want to remove Hamas as a threat to the state of Israel. The Nazis targeted civillian portions of the local population. This began in 1933, the concentration camp Dachau was opened this year. So for 6 years prior to the start of the war Nazis were persecuting Jews, planning their TOTAL annihilation. So how is this the same as what's happening today? Is Israel compounding, processing, transporting, poisoning and ultimately burning the civilian population of Gaza. Are you saying this is their plan? Just so I know how depraved your view is on this matter. It's not the same, no matter how much you say it's the same. Almost 3,000 Jews were killed every day throughout the war. That means it took less than two weeks for the Nazis to murder the same numbers of civilians who have been tragically killed in Gaza. They then continued at this rate, 3,000 men, woman, children and babies a day for almost 6 years. So it's not the same, nowhere near but doubt if you'll agree, you don't even accept one baby burnt in an oven, it's a vile comparison. Mrs x You and another poster mention the N word not me. So you need to ask yourself why are you mentioned it.Not sure if you are just obtuse or challenged in some way, I hope it's the former. You mention 6 million Jews were murdered during the war. Now unless I'm mistaken there's only been one war we're that number of Jews were killed. In that war it's obvious who were committing those murders, it was the Nazis, you know that, I know that everyone knows that. That's why I mentioned Nazis, unless you are referring to another N word which I'm oblivious too. Just read what you write before posting silly things in subsequent posts, it makes it less boring for other forumites. Mrs c I do read what I write as I read yours and you mention nazi not me, I refer to 6 million people killed and years later their descendants do the same, that's my observation, when you read my post you mention nazi not me" So who murdered the 6 million Jews then? You really are grasping at straws. You wrote this... "6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people." You quite clearly say this group of people who "experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people." This same experience were they were killed by the Nazis, that experience? Or is there another one? Oh yeah maybe the one we're 6 million Jews were killed, during the war, by the Mary Poppins Appreciation Society, I forgot that experience. You need to stop doubling down on this and admit you did compare the war in Gaza to the Holocaust. If not you seem to have hit rock bottom, unfortunately you've started to dig. Mrs x | |||
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""...if not you seem to have hit rock bottom" Says the apologist for genocide." So how are your friends in Hamas holding up. You're going to need to find a better trigger too haha, Mrs x | |||
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"I guess the Jewish people will never be forgiven for the Holocaust.😪 I find it strange that a population that faced total wipeout, is now saying and doing the very things that they themselves experienced. Funny old world. Thanks for proving my point exactly. 6 million Jewish people were murdered during the war, now for myself I would not want to see another group of people under go the same experience. But here we are a group of people who experienced 6 million killings, are now inflicting their experience on another group people. if that is proving your point then please point away.So how are the actions of the Israelis comparable to those of the Nazis. Israel is at war with Hamas, a terrorist group. Civilians have been killed as a result of this war, on both sides. Israel have stated they want to remove Hamas as a threat to the state of Israel. The Nazis targeted civillian portions of the local population. This began in 1933, the concentration camp Dachau was opened this year. So for 6 years prior to the start of the war Nazis were persecuting Jews, planning their TOTAL annihilation. So how is this the same as what's happening today? Is Israel compounding, processing, transporting, poisoning and ultimately burning the civilian population of Gaza. Are you saying this is their plan? Just so I know how depraved your view is on this matter. It's not the same, no matter how much you say it's the same. Almost 3,000 Jews were killed every day throughout the war. That means it took less than two weeks for the Nazis to murder the same numbers of civilians who have been tragically killed in Gaza. They then continued at this rate, 3,000 men, woman, children and babies a day for almost 6 years. So it's not the same, nowhere near but doubt if you'll agree, you don't even accept one baby burnt in an oven, it's a vile comparison. Mrs x You and another poster mention the N word not me. So you need to ask yourself why are you mentioned it.Not sure if you are just obtuse or challenged in some way, I hope it's the former. You mention 6 million Jews were murdered during the war. Now unless I'm mistaken there's only been one war we're that number of Jews were killed. In that war it's obvious who were committing those murders, it was the Nazis, you know that, I know that everyone knows that. That's why I mentioned Nazis, unless you are referring to another N word which I'm oblivious too. Just read what you write before posting silly things in subsequent posts, it makes it less boring for other forumites. Mrs c I do read what I write as I read yours and you mention nazi not me, I refer to 6 million people killed and years later their descendants do the same, that's my observation, when you read my post you mention nazi not meit’s not the same no concentration camps or gas chambers pls get a grip " Again you mention nazi not me, now it is gas chambers, again not me you. | |||
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"Copied and pasted from news article dated may 24th 2024. An article regarding burnt babies. Claim: A video published on social media on 1 November 2023 by journalist Benjamin Sales shows first responder Asher Moskowitz claiming that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven on 7 October 2023. Fact: To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into both Israeli and US media sources. Through this consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which compiled the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes on the 7 October massacre, disputes the claim and presents evidence that contradicts it. Two independent journalists also investigated the matter and found no substantiated reports of any such incident. The IDF Spokesman’s Office and ZAKA, a volunteer organisation dealing with bodies, did not provide any official statement or information regarding the case. Therefore, the claim cannot be verified. On 7 October 2023, a violent confrontation erupted at the Gaza border between Israeli forces and Hamas militants, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis. On 1 November 2023, journalist Benjamin Sales posted a video on his X account, showing the Israeli government’s rescue worker, Asher Moskowitz recounting his experience during the attack. In the video, Moskowitz claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. The video quickly went viral on social media, attracting more than 152,000 views, 372 likes and 335 reposts on X. It was also picked up by the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, which published an article on 2 November 2023 with the headline: “Hamas killers ‘roasted babies in an oven’ during October 7 terror attack, Israeli first responder claims“. The article amplified the claim by stating that multiple babies were burned by Hamas. To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into Israeli media sources. Through this media consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist to back this claim. Haaretz There is no official confirmation or evidence to support the claim that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven during the Gaza border massacre. The claim contradicts the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes as compiled by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which utilised information from government sources and eyewitness accounts. The newspaper uses data from the National Insurance and details gathered from crime scenes, kibbutz leaders, and the police to compile this list. The newspaper, in a report published on 3 December 2023, disputes the claim made by Moskowitz and presents evidence that challenges it. According to Haaretz, the only infants killed in the massacre were one-year-old Mila Cohen from Kibbutz Bari and a baby who died after being shot in the stomach of her mother, a pregnant Bedouin woman who was travelling to Soroka hospital due to contractions. The article also states that an official at the rescue union said “the source of the mistake was a volunteer”. This story also contradicts the Moskowitz’ claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. Haaretz also refers to the story as a “false claim” in an article titled “Denial of Hamas’ October 7 Massacre Is Gaining Pace Online”, citing it as an example of a case where false claims encourage some to deny the attack as a whole. While discussing the weaponization of false claims by the IDF, the article states: “Other weapons include the few cases of false or unsubstantiated claims by Israelis; for example, the false claim about a baby that was “baked in an oven” by Hamas terrorists. These isolated cases have become ammunition in the hands of deniers.” Put in your search engine "Media consensus revel no evidence of Israeli baby burnt in oven by Hamas". As there is a lot more. You've already been given links to articles from international news agencies, world renowned press sources and the top digital analyst firm all quoting it was real. You refused to read any. So why would I bother with anything you supply when you quote from twitter and YouTube Mrs x You have never offered myself links to read. It is hard when you see the truth, it is called being debunked.I have, you know I have but here's a small snippet of an article from France 24. "Debunked Was this photo of a dead Israeli baby AI-generated? When AI-detection errors muddle public debate. On October 12, the official account of the state of Israel posted an image of a tiny, charred body, claiming that the image showed a baby killed by Hamas during the attacks carried out on October 7. In the hours after the image was posted, social media users began to comment, saying that the image had been generated by artificial intelligence, according to the AI detection tool AI or Not. However, several experts – as well as the company behind AI or Not – have said these findings were wrong and that the photo is likely real." So what's this de-debunked? Go Google it but look at the reports from the digital image experts they go into great depth but it's quite technical. But that picture of a burnt baby was real. Not going to discuss this further as it just gives you an excuse not to explain your horrendous comparisons to Gaza and the Holocaust. Mrs x" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. If you want to add which you are so hard in trying nazi, gas chambers knock yourself out as it is deflecting from what I am really trying to say. | |||
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"Copied and pasted from news article dated may 24th 2024. An article regarding burnt babies. Claim: A video published on social media on 1 November 2023 by journalist Benjamin Sales shows first responder Asher Moskowitz claiming that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven on 7 October 2023. Fact: To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into both Israeli and US media sources. Through this consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which compiled the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes on the 7 October massacre, disputes the claim and presents evidence that contradicts it. Two independent journalists also investigated the matter and found no substantiated reports of any such incident. The IDF Spokesman’s Office and ZAKA, a volunteer organisation dealing with bodies, did not provide any official statement or information regarding the case. Therefore, the claim cannot be verified. On 7 October 2023, a violent confrontation erupted at the Gaza border between Israeli forces and Hamas militants, resulting in the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis. On 1 November 2023, journalist Benjamin Sales posted a video on his X account, showing the Israeli government’s rescue worker, Asher Moskowitz recounting his experience during the attack. In the video, Moskowitz claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. The video quickly went viral on social media, attracting more than 152,000 views, 372 likes and 335 reposts on X. It was also picked up by the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, which published an article on 2 November 2023 with the headline: “Hamas killers ‘roasted babies in an oven’ during October 7 terror attack, Israeli first responder claims“. The article amplified the claim by stating that multiple babies were burned by Hamas. To ascertain whether credible evidence exists to back this claim, Soch Fact Check looked into Israeli media sources. Through this media consensus, we concluded that credible evidence does not exist to back this claim. Haaretz There is no official confirmation or evidence to support the claim that Hamas operatives burned an Israeli baby in an oven during the Gaza border massacre. The claim contradicts the documented records of confirmed deaths and their causes as compiled by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, which utilised information from government sources and eyewitness accounts. The newspaper uses data from the National Insurance and details gathered from crime scenes, kibbutz leaders, and the police to compile this list. The newspaper, in a report published on 3 December 2023, disputes the claim made by Moskowitz and presents evidence that challenges it. According to Haaretz, the only infants killed in the massacre were one-year-old Mila Cohen from Kibbutz Bari and a baby who died after being shot in the stomach of her mother, a pregnant Bedouin woman who was travelling to Soroka hospital due to contractions. The article also states that an official at the rescue union said “the source of the mistake was a volunteer”. This story also contradicts the Moskowitz’ claims that he found the deceased Israeli baby burnt in an oven. Haaretz also refers to the story as a “false claim” in an article titled “Denial of Hamas’ October 7 Massacre Is Gaining Pace Online”, citing it as an example of a case where false claims encourage some to deny the attack as a whole. While discussing the weaponization of false claims by the IDF, the article states: “Other weapons include the few cases of false or unsubstantiated claims by Israelis; for example, the false claim about a baby that was “baked in an oven” by Hamas terrorists. These isolated cases have become ammunition in the hands of deniers.” Put in your search engine "Media consensus revel no evidence of Israeli baby burnt in oven by Hamas". As there is a lot more. You've already been given links to articles from international news agencies, world renowned press sources and the top digital analyst firm all quoting it was real. You refused to read any. So why would I bother with anything you supply when you quote from twitter and YouTube Mrs x You have never offered myself links to read. It is hard when you see the truth, it is called being debunked.I have, you know I have but here's a small snippet of an article from France 24. "Debunked Was this photo of a dead Israeli baby AI-generated? When AI-detection errors muddle public debate. On October 12, the official account of the state of Israel posted an image of a tiny, charred body, claiming that the image showed a baby killed by Hamas during the attacks carried out on October 7. In the hours after the image was posted, social media users began to comment, saying that the image had been generated by artificial intelligence, according to the AI detection tool AI or Not. However, several experts – as well as the company behind AI or Not – have said these findings were wrong and that the photo is likely real." So what's this de-debunked? Go Google it but look at the reports from the digital image experts they go into great depth but it's quite technical. But that picture of a burnt baby was real. Not going to discuss this further as it just gives you an excuse not to explain your horrendous comparisons to Gaza and the Holocaust. Mrs x My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. If you want to add which you are so hard in trying nazi, gas chambers knock yourself out as it is deflecting from what I am really trying to say." Unless gas chambers and ovens are being used then it's not the same experience is it. These people weren't caught up in a conflict, they were led to town squares lined up and shot in the back of the head, you've seen the videos. Later on they were herded onto trains, took to concentration camps, worked to death, poisoned in shower blocks then placed in ovens and burnt out of existence. So how is this the same experience as those poor sound killed in Gaza, because from here it looks radically different. You saying it's a similar experience must be extremely offensive to Jews. Yes civilians have died but that occurs in all Urban wars. You'd be more accurate comparing what's going on in these conflicts with what's happening in Gaza. But you won't, your feelings towards the Jews will prevent this, Mrs x | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. " You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way"." Exactly, you strike again, Mrs x | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way"." Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them. | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them." Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x" It has risen to 1700 now? | |||
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" How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others" Right, you mean generally. How can one group who suffered every do the same to another group. That's indeed a good and valid question. But it could be phrased differently: What drives one group, who suffered so badly, to cause the suffering of another group. The answer is: The threat of suffering and the fear of a repeat of that suffering. Think of it like this: Sally was beaten and R@ped by Bob. She left him and he went to prison. She then met Greg. He started to hit her one day. She beat him senseless with a rolling pin. What could make Sally beat someone, after having been beaten in the past? Perhaps the problem was always Sally? | |||
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" How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others Right, you mean generally. How can one group who suffered every do the same to another group. That's indeed a good and valid question. But it could be phrased differently: What drives one group, who suffered so badly, to cause the suffering of another group. The answer is: The threat of suffering and the fear of a repeat of that suffering. Think of it like this: Sally was beaten and R@ped by Bob. She left him and he went to prison. She then met Greg. He started to hit her one day. She beat him senseless with a rolling pin. What could make Sally beat someone, after having been beaten in the past? Perhaps the problem was always Sally?" There is a psychology term for this do not know what is is though, when one commits the same crimes as were committed to them. | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x" I presume you mean they declared war on Hamas, not on Gaza. | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x It has risen to 1700 now?" Callous, very callous. So my bad 1200 plus hostages 1500, is that OK. You do know that wars have been fought over way fewer deaths. The number killed on 7th October was an horrendous amount. Most nations would declare war for this, Mrs x | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x It has risen to 1700 now?Callous, very callous. So my bad 1200 plus hostages 1500, is that OK. You do know that wars have been fought over way fewer deaths. The number killed on 7th October was an horrendous amount. Most nations would declare war for this, Mrs x" 300 hostages? | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x It has risen to 1700 now?Callous, very callous. So my bad 1200 plus hostages 1500, is that OK. You do know that wars have been fought over way fewer deaths. The number killed on 7th October was an horrendous amount. Most nations would declare war for this, Mrs x 300 hostages?" 45,000 casualties? Mrs x | |||
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"Population of Gaza has doubled this century. Forecast to grow by another million and half by 2050. #worstgenocideever" The biggest part of the population are children followed by women, so by killing women and children who cannot pro-curate, it will be very very hard to repopulate by 2050. Look up section D on what is a genocide. Are there any babies of 6 months still alive as I saw them all killed by starvation, bombing and lack of incubators and medical equipment, another high causality rate are children. Very hard to repopulate when the gene pool is being exterminated. | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x It has risen to 1700 now?Callous, very callous. So my bad 1200 plus hostages 1500, is that OK. You do know that wars have been fought over way fewer deaths. The number killed on 7th October was an horrendous amount. Most nations would declare war for this, Mrs x 300 hostages?45,000 casualties? Mrs x" You like putting words to add to my words, look twice you have posted, twice you are wrong, that's all I am saying. What else have you gotten wrong I wonder. | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x It has risen to 1700 now?Callous, very callous. So my bad 1200 plus hostages 1500, is that OK. You do know that wars have been fought over way fewer deaths. The number killed on 7th October was an horrendous amount. Most nations would declare war for this, Mrs x" . haha 300 | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x It has risen to 1700 now?Callous, very callous. So my bad 1200 plus hostages 1500, is that OK. You do know that wars have been fought over way fewer deaths. The number killed on 7th October was an horrendous amount. Most nations would declare war for this, Mrs x 300 hostages?45,000 casualties? Mrs x You like putting words to add to my words, look twice you have posted, twice you are wrong, that's all I am saying. What else have you gotten wrong I wonder." Gaza=Holocaust, that's wrong on so many levels Dan, you really hate them don't you? Mrs x | |||
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" My observation is the same people who suffered in the same way, are now repeating what they had experienced and are now doing the same to others. You are referring to the suffering, not the perpetration - that's your point, right? In that respect, it's difficult to compare the suffering. One group was systematically killed and enslav'd and subject to torture, with the started end goal of complete eradication. The other is subject to the horrors of war, caught in the crossfire between a desperate nation and a deeply entrenched group of genocidal nutjobs, supported by regimes in the region. Yes, innocent lives were lost by both groups, however the circumstances are completely different, as is the relative scale of loss. If you really mean to compare the suffering as like-for-like, then you do not understand either the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza today, or the suffering of Jews in Europe during the Holocaust. The "same people" did not suffer in the "same way". Again just one more time. example, I trip over and hurt my leg, it hurts like hell, that is my experience. Now knowing it hurts I trip you over knowing full well how you will feel when you hurt your leg because I have experienced it. How can one group of people who have suffered badly, do the same to others call them dogs, or do not shoot dogs shoot Palestine people instead. How can they do that when much worst happened to them.Maybe because 1700 innocent civilians were targeted and killed by the ruling terrorist group in Gaza, after 3 years of planning, and this led to Israel declaring war on Gaza. But the circumstances are not the same, not even close. Look at the post above, they gave a great example of why the circumstances are not similar, not that you'd agree. And you hurt leg is really a very silly analogy, Mrs x It has risen to 1700 now?Callous, very callous. So my bad 1200 plus hostages 1500, is that OK. You do know that wars have been fought over way fewer deaths. The number killed on 7th October was an horrendous amount. Most nations would declare war for this, Mrs x 300 hostages?45,000 casualties? Mrs x You like putting words to add to my words, look twice you have posted, twice you are wrong, that's all I am saying. What else have you gotten wrong I wonder.Gaza=Holocaust, that's wrong on so many levels Dan, you really hate them don't you? Mrs x" When you are caught out writing misinformation you call me dan well no one really knows my name and if you feel the need to call me dan then please do. But you are still wrong in what you have said referring to Gaza and as others have said you deflect into an argument not related to anything. | |||
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"The IHRA has some quite specific examples of antisemitism on their website, which is linked to the CST website (the site for reporting online antisemitism). One of the main 11 points is "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis". Antisemitism is racism and therefore a criminal offence which can, and should be reported via the CST site. I read an article about the CST - apparently, they're very thorough. "Don't let him see this, he'll only start going on about tripping up and hurting his leg or stubbing his toe because he thinks that's relevant to this somehow, Mrs x | |||
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"Population of Gaza has doubled this century. Forecast to grow by another million and half by 2050. #worstgenocideever The biggest part of the population are children followed by women, so by killing women and children who cannot pro-curate, it will be very very hard to repopulate by 2050. Look up section D on what is a genocide. Are there any babies of 6 months still alive as I saw them all killed by starvation, bombing and lack of incubators and medical equipment, another high causality rate are children. Very hard to repopulate when the gene pool is being exterminated." I had a vasectomy 12 years ago, guess I'm guilty of genocide 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ | |||
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"Population of Gaza has doubled this century. Forecast to grow by another million and half by 2050. #worstgenocideever The biggest part of the population are children followed by women, so by killing women and children who cannot pro-curate, it will be very very hard to repopulate by 2050. Look up section D on what is a genocide. Are there any babies of 6 months still alive as I saw them all killed by starvation, bombing and lack of incubators and medical equipment, another high causality rate are children. Very hard to repopulate when the gene pool is being exterminated. I had a vasectomy 12 years ago, guess I'm guilty of genocide 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️" Just when you think things can’t be dragged lower, along someone comes. | |||
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"Population of Gaza has doubled this century. Forecast to grow by another million and half by 2050. #worstgenocideever The biggest part of the population are children followed by women, so by killing women and children who cannot pro-curate, it will be very very hard to repopulate by 2050. Look up section D on what is a genocide. Are there any babies of 6 months still alive as I saw them all killed by starvation, bombing and lack of incubators and medical equipment, another high causality rate are children. Very hard to repopulate when the gene pool is being exterminated. I had a vasectomy 12 years ago, guess I'm guilty of genocide 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️" I've been through the menopause, does that count? Mrs x | |||
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"Population of Gaza has doubled this century. Forecast to grow by another million and half by 2050. #worstgenocideever The biggest part of the population are children followed by women, so by killing women and children who cannot pro-curate, it will be very very hard to repopulate by 2050. Look up section D on what is a genocide. Are there any babies of 6 months still alive as I saw them all killed by starvation, bombing and lack of incubators and medical equipment, another high causality rate are children. Very hard to repopulate when the gene pool is being exterminated. I had a vasectomy 12 years ago, guess I'm guilty of genocide 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ I've been through the menopause, does that count? Mrs x" Off to the Hague with us ! | |||
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"Population of Gaza has doubled this century. Forecast to grow by another million and half by 2050. #worstgenocideever The biggest part of the population are children followed by women, so by killing women and children who cannot pro-curate, it will be very very hard to repopulate by 2050. Look up section D on what is a genocide. Are there any babies of 6 months still alive as I saw them all killed by starvation, bombing and lack of incubators and medical equipment, another high causality rate are children. Very hard to repopulate when the gene pool is being exterminated. I had a vasectomy 12 years ago, guess I'm guilty of genocide 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Just when you think things can’t be dragged lower, along someone comes." Oh man, I'm nowhere near my basement  | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x" What does the ICC, ICJ, amnesty international, world food programme know eh? | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x What does the ICC, ICJ, amnesty international, world food programme know eh? "About what? Mrs x | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x What does the ICC, ICJ, amnesty international, world food programme know eh? About what? Mrs x"About everything. It's something very well documented and what you've stated so far is very musleading and incorrect | |||
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"Palestinian Citizens of Israel During Israel’s establishment (1947-49), approximately 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes and land in fear or were driven out. After the war, around 150,000 Palestinians remained inside of what became Israel’s internationally recognized borders. Today, there are approximately 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 20% of the total Israeli population. Though Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote and participate in political life, they face a web of institutionalised discrimination and exclusion. Taken from IUEU (Institute for Middle East Understanding) They are stooges, tolerated to supply low-cost labour and fool the gullible. No more, no less.Even the politicians and supreme court judge, bit silly that one haha, Mrs x What does the ICC, ICJ, amnesty international, world food programme know eh? About what? Mrs x
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About everything. It's something very well documented
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About everything. It's something very well documented
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I'm going to cook my tea , eat it then return...OK Dan, see you then, Mrs x"Is everyone who disagrees with you called Dan | |||
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About everything. It's something very well documented
and what you've stated so far is very musleading and incorrect
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I'm going to cook my tea , eat it then return...OK Dan, see you then, Mrs x
Is everyone who disagrees with you called Dan "No just those with multiple accounts, Mrs x | |||
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About everything. It's something very well documented
and what you've stated so far is very musleading and incorrect
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I'm going to cook my tea , eat it then return...OK Dan, see you then, Mrs x"Erm.. okay.. I thought Ben was Dan. Mists been already covered. Palestinians in Israel aren2nd class citizens. They get the worst housing, not allowed to live on certain areas and not allowed to drive cars in certain areas. Jews are under civil law, Palestinians under military law. Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza. Having political parties approved by all sides I suppose means Israel. How about removing the reason Hamas was created by removing the Zionist ideology and have a fair and just Israel? There would be no reason for Hamas to exist and also diminish Iranian influence. I agree on your rebuilding of gaza, stop sending arms to Israel and send materials instead. Re; illegal settlements, it is ethnic cleansing under the description in UN description. In saying "wanting their property back" I assume you mean the European settlers with no links to Palestine want their land back from Palestinians who've lived there for centuries if not millennia ? , because if that's what your saying it's insanely wrong and on what grounds do you validate their claim | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism." 🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x  | |||
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"Of course Zionism is not Judaism, no one thinks it is. Zionism is fundamentaly the belief that people of Jewish heritage should have their own country, a belief which came to fruition in 1948. Since then the mostly Jewish population has transformed that land into one of the world's most technologically and culturally advanced societies on earth, by far the most multi cultural and tolerant place in the Middle East, and kicked the arse of everyone who's tried to pick a fight with them, whatever the odds against them. That country ain't going anywhere and will continue to progress while it's neighbours destroy themselves with fundamentalism, corruption and terrorism. So how'd you like those apples ? 🍎 "Mostly fiction I'm sorry to say | |||
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"The easiest way to resolve is it genocide or not genocide, is to read the whole description and not take a line item and put your thoughts into that alone. Or, wait until you are told by an overarching authority, which to be clear is not the Irish or SA governments. Going back to Syria, if we were ever there…. I think there is clearer evidence that Assad was involved in genocide." Excellent point. | |||
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"The easiest way to resolve is it genocide or not genocide, is to read the whole description and not take a line item and put your thoughts into that alone. Or, wait until you are told by an overarching authority, which to be clear is not the Irish or SA governments. Going back to Syria, if we were ever there…. I think there is clearer evidence that Assad was involved in genocide." Well yes, he was also a guest at Buckingham palace and also nominated for a knighthood by Tony Blair back in the 90s I think. All depends on how appealing Syrian natural resources were at the time. | |||
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"The easiest way to resolve is it genocide or not genocide, is to read the whole description and not take a line item and put your thoughts into that alone. Or, wait until you are told by an overarching authority, which to be clear is not the Irish or SA governments. Going back to Syria, if we were ever there…. I think there is clearer evidence that Assad was involved in genocide. Well yes, he was also a guest at Buckingham palace and also nominated for a knighthood by Tony Blair back in the 90s I think. All depends on how appealing Syrian natural resources were at the time. " I’m not understanding your connections to his interactions in the 90’s, what has any of that got to do with his repressive regime that looks highly likely to have carried out genocide? | |||
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"The easiest way to resolve is it genocide or not genocide, is to read the whole description and not take a line item and put your thoughts into that alone. Or, wait until you are told by an overarching authority, which to be clear is not the Irish or SA governments. Going back to Syria, if we were ever there…. I think there is clearer evidence that Assad was involved in genocide. Well yes, he was also a guest at Buckingham palace and also nominated for a knighthood by Tony Blair back in the 90s I think. All depends on how appealing Syrian natural resources were at the time. I’m not understanding your connections to his interactions in the 90’s, what has any of that got to do with his repressive regime that looks highly likely to have carried out genocide? " Because it was something the UK government wasn't so concerned about and associated with the government like we are now with the UAE. It has only been more recent where there was a fallout with the UK and the then Syrian govt. | |||
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I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty "What? That almost everything you said is wrong. Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence. Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis. Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th. As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause. Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about... "Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza" You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you. So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more? Mrs x | |||
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I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
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I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
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I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x"As for genocide, I didn't write the rules or definition, it on black and white. Secondly, the Zionist ideology was initiated by using force to move out Palestinians. Some have been allowed to stay. Now you believe they're equal citizens and I don't, based on what I've said earlier. As for the Koran and the destruction of israel : if Israel weren't creating awful conditions on the Gaza population then there'd be a lot less reason for people there to be influenced by Islamist extremists like the creation of Hamas. If the Gazans choose to live there of their own free will can you tell me why they haven't just left for israel instead of choosing to die in a starving bombed gaza.? Yes I know Israel hasn't been found guilty, it's the senior members of the Israeli government and troops with evidence against their actions they have allegations against them. Allegations of genocide | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism.🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x
I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x
But Jew and Arab should well lie and die ✋ been watching you, a ex para claim you Irish if so you also traitor to your own people Irish So why am I a traitor? Mrs x"Seacrest say you Irish, its only Irish to deny jew boy, Ireland stupid people join British army to fight against faciest yet come back to Ireland not welcome, SS and black shirts welcome especially for south American, blue shirts were right, some Irish are vermin, as simplify for Jew | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism.🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x
I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x
But Jew and Arab should well lie and die ✋ been watching you, a ex para claim you Irish if so you also traitor to your own people Irish So why am I a traitor? Mrs x
Seacrest say you Irish, its only Irish to deny jew boy, Ireland stupid people join British army to fight against faciest yet come back to Ireland not welcome, SS and black shirts welcome especially for south American, blue shirts were right, some Irish are vermin, as simplify for Jew "But I hate both sides of border jew and Muslims, like paki flag and hook nose flag lol igts Ireland all about the fleg 🇨🇮🇩🇪 good Bavarian Fenian | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism.🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x
I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x
But Jew and Arab should well lie and die ✋ been watching you, a ex para claim you Irish if so you also traitor to your own people Irish So why am I a traitor? Mrs x
Seacrest say you Irish, its only Irish to deny jew boy, Ireland stupid people join British army to fight against faciest yet come back to Ireland not welcome, SS and black shirts welcome especially for south American, blue shirts were right, some Irish are vermin, as simplify for Jew "If you could write coherently it would make it easier for all concerned. Not sure how much English you speak but you seem fluent in bullshit. Let me just get out my bullshit translator and I'll get back to you. Mrs x | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism.🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x
I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x
But Jew and Arab should well lie and die ✋ been watching you, a ex para claim you Irish if so you also traitor to your own people Irish So why am I a traitor? Mrs x
Seacrest say you Irish, its only Irish to deny jew boy, Ireland stupid people join British army to fight against faciest yet come back to Ireland not welcome, SS and black shirts welcome especially for south American, blue shirts were right, some Irish are vermin, as simplify for Jew
But I hate both sides of border jew and Muslims, like paki flag and hook nose flag lol igts Ireland all about the fleg 🇨🇮🇩🇪 good Bavarian Fenian "Okay very racist that, not sure you can use language like that on here, Mrs x | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism.🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x
I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x
But Jew and Arab should well lie and die ✋ been watching you, a ex para claim you Irish if so you also traitor to your own people Irish So why am I a traitor? Mrs x
Seacrest say you Irish, its only Irish to deny jew boy, Ireland stupid people join British army to fight against faciest yet come back to Ireland not welcome, SS and black shirts welcome especially for south American, blue shirts were right, some Irish are vermin, as simplify for Jew
But I hate both sides of border jew and Muslims, like paki flag and hook nose flag lol igts Ireland all about the fleg 🇨🇮🇩🇪 good Bavarian Fenian Okay very racist that, not sure you can use language like that on here, Mrs x"Okay lol | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism.🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x
I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x
As for genocide, I didn't write the rules or definition, it on black and white.
Secondly, the Zionist ideology was initiated by using force to move out Palestinians.
Some have been allowed to stay. Now you believe they're equal citizens and I don't, based on what I've said earlier.
As for the Koran and the destruction of israel : if Israel weren't creating awful conditions on the Gaza population then there'd be a lot less reason for people there to be influenced by Islamist extremists like the creation of Hamas.
If the Gazans choose to live there of their own free will can you tell me why they haven't just left for israel instead of choosing to die in a starving bombed gaza.?
Yes I know Israel hasn't been found guilty, it's the senior members of the Israeli government and troops with evidence against their actions they have allegations against them. Allegations of genocide
"I'm sure someone will point out the inaccuracies of what you've said, I'm a little tired right now, so if you want to discuss were you are blatantly wrong we can chat tomorrow... Mrs x | |||
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"Btw Betty, Israel did put Palestinians into a compound called Gaza, they were transported there forcibly . They weren't poisoned except for the chemicals by all the Burt ordinance which is carcinogenic, One last point Judaism is not Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology which has hijacked the Holocaust and insults the victims and the religion of Judaism.🤣🤣🤣 Mrs x
I thought you'd have had something more sensible to say Betty What? That almost everything you said is wrong.
Take Zionism a movement started as a call to return to the Jews historic homeland, not a violent cause just a resettlement movement. Now like I've said before certain individuals have corrupted this for their own aims, sometimes violent but that doesn't mean all Zionists are violent and it's a violent ideology. It would be like saying all Muslims are terrorist because terrorists corrupt the Koran to suit their own aims through violence.
Palestinians do not live as second class citizens, they have the same freedoms and rights as other Israelis.
Palestinians not forced to live in Gaza behind a fence. That was built in 1971, pulled down in 2000 by Palestinians but rebuilt. It was built to prevent suicide bombers crossing into Israel. Built to stop Palestinians illegally entering Israel not to keep them in Gaza. 18,000 Hazans crossed through this fence daily before Oct 7th.
As for Hamas, their aim is the total eradication of the Jews and the utter destruction of the state of Israel, not Zionism. But you are obviously not familiar with the parts of the Koran or tge Hadith that these terrorists are corrupting to support their cause.
Finally genocide. You know that Israel has not been charged with genocide. And your quote about...
"Genocide is the extermination in whole or in part so it is genocide in Gaza"
You missed out intent, you need to establish that and that's extremely difficult. Also it cannot be "in whole" as the numbers of civilians killed is approximately 30,000. Is that enough to form the "in part" requirement? Does it have to be more than this or less? Will killing just one person count or does it have to be multiple hundreds or thousands? Or is it a percentage of the population? Do you even know? It's extremely difficult to prove, especially using the 'plausibity' tests the ICJ use, but you already know that don't you.
So is that enough for now Dan or do you need a bit more?
Mrs x
As for genocide, I didn't write the rules or definition, it on black and white.
Secondly, the Zionist ideology was initiated by using force to move out Palestinians.
Some have been allowed to stay. Now you believe they're equal citizens and I don't, based on what I've said earlier.
As for the Koran and the destruction of israel : if Israel weren't creating awful conditions on the Gaza population then there'd be a lot less reason for people there to be influenced by Islamist extremists like the creation of Hamas.
If the Gazans choose to live there of their own free will can you tell me why they haven't just left for israel instead of choosing to die in a starving bombed gaza.?
Yes I know Israel hasn't been found guilty, it's the senior members of the Israeli government and troops with evidence against their actions they have allegations against them. Allegations of genocide
I'm sure someone will point out the inaccuracies of what you've said, I'm a little tired right now, so if you want to discuss were you are blatantly wrong we can chat tomorrow...
Mrs x
"If you'd point out what myself the various organizations and bodies, the Jewish demonstrators in, America and elsewhere are against Zionism is wrong. How genocide does not apply when stated by gallant that " "there are no innocent people in Gaza and they'll get no food no water no medical aid" and effectively did stop it all. Why You said "wipe them all off the face of the earth" isn't genocidal statement And also how you determine the Palestinians in Israel aren't 2nd class citizens when thes reports that indicate otherwise such as a documentary aired regarding housing, access to water supplies, schooling and the like. Can you provide evidence to the contrary please | |||
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"The IHRA has some quite specific examples of antisemitism on their website, which is linked to the CST website (the site for reporting online antisemitism). One of the main 11 points is "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis". Antisemitism is racism and therefore a criminal offence which can, and should be reported via the CST site. I read an article about the CST - apparently, they're very thorough. "To all who can. I am _ensisko please use the above post to report me to the reverent body. thank you, and good luck. | |||
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"The IHRA has some quite specific examples of antisemitism on their website, which is linked to the CST website (the site for reporting online antisemitism). One of the main 11 points is "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis". Antisemitism is racism and therefore a criminal offence which can, and should be reported via the CST site. I read an article about the CST - apparently, they're very thorough.
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