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"Golan heights syrian land internationally recognized as occupied territory by Israel!is it time the world grew some backbone and along with the illegal settlements given back instead of letting Israel do as they please for fear of being called antisemitic." The issue here is they're our bad guys like Saudia Arabia etc.. Whereas if it's the other bad guys - Russia Iran etc.. were the sanctimonious virtuous | |||
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"so a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone that they already had .... gotcha "I deleted my post for a reason, it looks like bad timing. however the point is the land was part of the ceasefire, and now they are reinforcing that area after the collapse of the Syrian government. I can't see the issue after Oct 7th attacks, it would be catastrophic act of negligence to not defend after that, I would say. I would also hope stability can come to Syria and surrounding region, allowing the whole area to be handed back. | |||
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"so a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone that they already had .... gotcha
I deleted my post for a reason, it looks like bad timing.
however the point is the land was part of the ceasefire, and now they are reinforcing that area after the collapse of the Syrian government.
I can't see the issue after Oct 7th attacks, it would be catastrophic act of negligence to not defend after that, I would say.
I would also hope stability can come to Syria and surrounding region, allowing the whole area to be handed back.
"the golan heights is already a huge empty buffer zone ..... netanyahu has grbbed a huge amount of land beyond that on syrian soil .... to make according to you a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone | |||
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"so a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone that they already had .... gotcha
I deleted my post for a reason, it looks like bad timing.
however the point is the land was part of the ceasefire, and now they are reinforcing that area after the collapse of the Syrian government.
I can't see the issue after Oct 7th attacks, it would be catastrophic act of negligence to not defend after that, I would say.
I would also hope stability can come to Syria and surrounding region, allowing the whole area to be handed back.
the golan heights is already a huge empty buffer zone ..... netanyahu has grbbed a huge amount of land beyond that on syrian soil .... to make according to you a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone "Do disagree that Israel defending its borders is the right thing to do, or do agree they should and put extra security in place? | |||
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"so a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone that they already had .... gotcha
I deleted my post for a reason, it looks like bad timing.
however the point is the land was part of the ceasefire, and now they are reinforcing that area after the collapse of the Syrian government.
I can't see the issue after Oct 7th attacks, it would be catastrophic act of negligence to not defend after that, I would say.
I would also hope stability can come to Syria and surrounding region, allowing the whole area to be handed back.
the golan heights is already a huge empty buffer zone ..... netanyahu has grbbed a huge amount of land beyond that on syrian soil .... to make according to you a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone
Do disagree that Israel defending its borders is the right thing to do, or do agree they should and put extra security in place?
"do you think that tomorrow they should create a huge new buffer zone to defend todays newly created buffer zone in order to defend the already enormous empty buffer zone that has successfully defended that border for almost 60 years?  | |||
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"I very much doubt Israel will hand anything back. They're busy expanding their borders " 🥱 Mrs x | |||
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"so a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone that they already had .... gotcha
I deleted my post for a reason, it looks like bad timing.
however the point is the land was part of the ceasefire, and now they are reinforcing that area after the collapse of the Syrian government.
I can't see the issue after Oct 7th attacks, it would be catastrophic act of negligence to not defend after that, I would say.
I would also hope stability can come to Syria and surrounding region, allowing the whole area to be handed back.
the golan heights is already a huge empty buffer zone ..... netanyahu has grbbed a huge amount of land beyond that on syrian soil .... to make according to you a buffer zone for the already gargantuan buffer zone
Do disagree that Israel defending its borders is the right thing to do, or do agree they should and put extra security in place?
do you think that tomorrow they should create a huge new buffer zone to defend todays newly created buffer zone in order to defend the already enormous empty buffer zone that has successfully defended that border for almost 60 years? "That’s the argument they are using, it lasted for a long time, now there is uncertainty hence the stretch. I would hope that once calm and normality has been established the land can be handed back, there would be no reason at all for them to annex it. However if hostility occurs, it would be seen as a smart move. | |||
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" I would hope that once calm and normality has been established the land can be handed back, there would be no reason at all for them to annex it. " it appears that Benny disagrees with you after his 'part of Israel for eternity' speech this evening. He appears his speech has pissed off everyone in the neighbourhood, but then it's possible that's all part of his plan. | |||
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"I very much doubt Israel will hand anything back. They're busy expanding their borders 🥱 Mrs x" Well some Israeli defense minister wanted land upto the south of demascus. | |||
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" I would hope that once calm and normality has been established the land can be handed back, there would be no reason at all for them to annex it. it appears that Benny disagrees with you after his 'part of Israel for eternity' speech this evening. He appears his speech has pissed off everyone in the neighbourhood, but then it's possible that's all part of his plan." pissed of everyone in the neighbourhood pmsl you mean them who want to live in peace with them who don’t want them destroyed | |||
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"Interesting isn't it? Seeing as the UK are out of the EU maybe we should create our own buffer zone. Invade France and create a defensive border 15 miles inland patrolled by British tanks and soldiers to prevent anyone crossing the channel and putting us in danger. Totally illegal under international law? Yep, but we need to make sure we are safe don't we so invading another nation that's fine "Are we technically at war with France? Has France been overtaken by a regime who are sworn to eradicate Christians in England? 
Frightening times... | |||
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" Are we technically at war with France? Has France been overtaken by a regime who are sworn to eradicate Christians in England?
Frightening times..."Ok it's a scenario so let's go with it... Let's say yes we are at war with France and they are determined to rid the world of roast beef eaters. Let's also say we already invaded Calais 50 odd years ago and held this territory illegally, even though we had been told by the United Nations Security Council to give it back repeatedly. Sounds like a pretty legitimate reason to be at war with us I'd say, bit like say the Falklands and Argentina? So are you saying you'd be happy for us to further invade France against international law, on the pretext that it would prevent any harm coming to us? Frightened times indeed. | |||
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" Ok it's a scenario so let's go with it... Let's say yes we are at war with France and they are determined to rid the world of roast beef eaters. Let's also say we already invaded Calais 50 odd years ago and held this territory illegally, even though we had been told by the United Nations Security Council to give it back repeatedly. Sounds like a pretty legitimate reason to be at war with us I'd say, bit like say the Falklands and Argentina? So are you saying you'd be happy for us to further invade France against international law, on the pretext that it would prevent any harm coming to us? Frightened times indeed. " If there's a genuine threat to the lives of British citizens from a bunch of genocidal cultists with access to the weaponry of a nation... Then screw international law/condemnation. Do whatever is necessary. | |||
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" Are we technically at war with France? Has France been overtaken by a regime who are sworn to eradicate Christians in England?
Frightening times...
Ok it's a scenario so let's go with it...
Let's say yes we are at war with France and they are determined to rid the world of roast beef eaters.
Let's also say we already invaded Calais 50 odd years ago and held this territory illegally, even though we had been told by the United Nations Security Council to give it back repeatedly. Sounds like a pretty legitimate reason to be at war with us I'd say, bit like say the Falklands and Argentina?
So are you saying you'd be happy for us to further invade France against international law, on the pretext that it would prevent any harm coming to us?
Frightened times indeed.
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" yes 100% if France wanted to rid the world of the brits so what’s yr point ?" Err... It's an act of aggression? It's against international law? Do you think most Americans want to rid the world of North Korea? Ok for them to send some forces and invade America? | |||
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" yes 100% if France wanted to rid the world of the brits so what’s yr point ? Err... It's an act of aggression? It's against international law? Do you think most Americans want to rid the world of North Korea? Ok for them to send some forces and invade America?" struggling to see ya points here mate | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. " Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualties | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualties" So Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x" it’s scary that ppl actually believe this shit tho wonder what uni he went too lol | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x" Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x it’s scary that ppl actually believe this shit tho wonder what uni he went too lol" Well you can have a giggle. After the disaster of the Iraq war - here we are again with Israel peddling the same crap to the USA, UK and swallowing the same crap yet again. | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x it’s scary that ppl actually believe this shit tho wonder what uni he went too lol Well you can have a giggle. After the disaster of the Iraq war - here we are again with Israel peddling the same crap to the USA, UK and swallowing the same crap yet again. " So how did Israel get the USA to do anything for them in the Iraq war? Mrs x | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic " Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic " Apart from the fact that Blair wasnt elected until 1997 and the first Gulf War ended six years earlier. So you are mixing up the first and second Gulf Wars, I'm not sure you'll understand this, might be too complicated first you. So to make it easier I'll split them for you. The first Gulf War was started due to Iraq invading Kuwait. Their reasoning was over drilling rights but really it was to avoid paying a debt to Kuwait who had loaned money to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War. Israel took no part in this, despite Iraq firing over 30 Scud missiles into Israel to provoke them. Summary, first Gulf War, John Major was PM, not Blair, Israel took no part despite of being attacked. Second Gulf War,George W. Bush American president, Blair PM and again Israel took no part, none, zilch, zero, nada, so Netenyahu not involved at all. These are facts not excuses and you claiming Israel were the only country to benefit is not only totally wrong, it is antisemitic, problem is you cannot see why. Don't you hate it when facts fuck up your story.... Mrs x | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all?" Because he has a narrative he needs to serve, it's simple, Mrs x | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all?" Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributed | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all?" Just to add - the current situation tryi g to provoke Iran I to retaliation by Israel worked. Luckily this time the USA didn't Wade into the situation as Israel might have been hoping for. In reference to the actions of Israel that is | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Just to add - the current situation tryi g to provoke Iran I to retaliation by Israel worked. Luckily this time the USA didn't Wade into the situation as Israel might have been hoping for. In reference to the actions of Israel that is" 'Luckily this time'...? They never have before, that's the point, by saying such things you are just repeating antisemitic lies. It's almost as if you are saying that Jews assert so much influence over the USA that they can get them to do their bidding, strange, Mrs x | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributed" You admit you don't know but still say Netenyahu played a part. That's either a gift of foresight or you are just lying, you either know or you don't. It's just idiotic to double down and something you admit you know nothing about. Netenyahu was not involved because Israel were not involved. Muslim countries were though, did Israel have influence over them? I'd ask if you know but we all know the answer to that. This is some of the silliest things you have posted to date. Mrs x | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributedYou admit you don't know but still say Netenyahu played a part. That's either a gift of foresight or you are just lying, you either know or you don't. It's just idiotic to double down and something you admit you know nothing about. Netenyahu was not involved because Israel were not involved. Muslim countries were though, did Israel have influence over them? I'd ask if you know but we all know the answer to that. This is some of the silliest things you have posted to date. Mrs x" Is that your best attempt Betty? He wasn't pm at the time but was an Israeli politician - I don't know what position he held but contributed to the lies used to invade Iraq. Do you defend the lies used by the USA to invade Iraq? | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributedYou admit you don't know but still say Netenyahu played a part. That's either a gift of foresight or you are just lying, you either know or you don't. It's just idiotic to double down and something you admit you know nothing about. Netenyahu was not involved because Israel were not involved. Muslim countries were though, did Israel have influence over them? I'd ask if you know but we all know the answer to that. This is some of the silliest things you have posted to date. Mrs x" What is your thoughts on the following article betty? --- destruction in Iraq has led to a close scrutiny of the role of intelligence agencies in both the United States and Britain. As Brigadier General (ret.) Shlomo Brom, points out, Israeli intelligence, which was in full agreement with American and British intelligence estimates, has, however, remained "in the shadows." General Brom, a senior research associate at Tel Aviv University's Jaffe Center, calls for an inquiry into the performance of Israeli intelligence agencies. In an article titled "The War in Iraq: An Intelligence Failure," first published in "Strategic Assessment," General Brom makes three key points: (1) Israeli intelligence agencies failed because they did not realize that Saddam Hussein's main goal was survival; (2) Israeli intelligence tends to adopt the worst-case scenario; (3) Inflated threat assessments exact a heavy price. ---- | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributedYou admit you don't know but still say Netenyahu played a part. That's either a gift of foresight or you are just lying, you either know or you don't. It's just idiotic to double down and something you admit you know nothing about. Netenyahu was not involved because Israel were not involved. Muslim countries were though, did Israel have influence over them? I'd ask if you know but we all know the answer to that. This is some of the silliest things you have posted to date. Mrs x What is your thoughts on the following article betty? --- destruction in Iraq has led to a close scrutiny of the role of intelligence agencies in both the United States and Britain. As Brigadier General (ret.) Shlomo Brom, points out, Israeli intelligence, which was in full agreement with American and British intelligence estimates, has, however, remained "in the shadows." General Brom, a senior research associate at Tel Aviv University's Jaffe Center, calls for an inquiry into the performance of Israeli intelligence agencies. In an article titled "The War in Iraq: An Intelligence Failure," first published in "Strategic Assessment," General Brom makes three key points: (1) Israeli intelligence agencies failed because they did not realize that Saddam Hussein's main goal was survival; (2) Israeli intelligence tends to adopt the worst-case scenario; (3) Inflated threat assessments exact a heavy price. ---- " Not sure what to make of it, I'd assume all intelligence agencies in the region would communicate with each other, they do this all the time. But Istael did not make Iraq invade Kuwait, neither did they manipulate USA to lead a 42 country coalition to fight Iraq. Iraq invaded Kuwait to avoid paying back a loan, that's a fact. What do you think of this article? It details all the myths and facts that surround Israels involvement in the Gulf Wars. Not that you'll read it. MYTH “The 1991 Gulf War was fought for Israel.” FACT Prior to President George Bush’s announcement of Operation Desert Storm, critics of Israel were claiming the Jewish State and its supporters were pushing Washington to start a war with Iraq to eliminate it as a military threat. President Bush made the U.S. position clear, however, in his speech on August 2, 1990, saying that the United States has “long-standing vital interests” in the Persian Gulf. Moreover, Iraq’s “naked aggression” violated the UN charter. Patriot Missile seeks out a Scud to destory Over the course of the Gulf crisis, the President and other top Administration officials made clear that U.S. interests—primarily oil supplies—were threatened by the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Most Americans agreed with the President’s decision to go to war. For example, the Washington Post/ABC News Poll on January 16, 1991, found that 76 percent of Americans approved of the U.S. going to war with Iraq and 22 percent disapproved. It is true that Israel viewed Iraq as a serious threat to its security given its leadership of the rejectionist camp. Israeli concerns proved justified after the war began and Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles at its civilian population centers. Israel has never asked American troops to fight its battles. Although Israeli forces were prepared to participate in the Gulf War, they did not because the United States asked them not to. Even after the provocation of the Scud missile attacks, Israel assented to U.S. appeals not to respond. MYTH “Israel’s low profile in the Gulf War proved it has no strategic value to the United States.” FACT Israel was never expected to play a major role in hostilities in the Gulf. American officials knew the Arabs would not allow Israel to help defend them; they also knew U.S. troops would have to intervene because the Gulf States could not protect themselves. Israel’s posture reflected a deliberate political decision in response to American requests. Nevertheless, it did aid the United States’ successful campaign to roll back Iraq’s aggression. For example: By warning that it would take military measures if any Iraqi troops entered Jordan, Israel, in effect, guaranteed its neighbor’s territorial integrity against Iraqi aggression. The United States benefited from the use of Israeli-made Have Nap air-launched missiles on its B-52 bombers. The Navy, meanwhile, used Israeli Pioneer pilotless drones for reconnaissance in the Gulf. Israel provided mine plows that were used to clear paths for allied forces through Iraqi minefields. Mobile bridges flown directly from Israel to Saudi Arabia were employed by the U.S. Marine Corps. Israeli recommendations, based upon system performance observations, led to several software changes that made the Patriot a more capable missile defense system. Israel Aircraft Industries developed conformal fuel tanks that enhanced the range of F-15 aircraft. These were used in the Gulf. General Dynamics, a U.S. military contractor, has implemented a variety of Israeli modifications to improve the worldwide F-16 aircraft fleet, including structural enhancements, software changes, increased capability landing gear, radio improvements and avionic modifications. An Israeli-produced targeting system was used to increase the Cobra helicopter’s night-fighting capabilities. Israel manufactured the canister for the highly successful Tomahawk missile. Night-vision goggles used by U.S. forces were supplied by Israel. A low-altitude warning system produced and developed in Israel was utilized on Blackhawk helicopters. Israel offered the United States the use of military and hospital facilities. U.S. ships utilized Haifa port shipyard maintenance and support on their way to the Gulf. Israel destroyed Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981. Consequently, U.S. troops did not face a nuclear-armed Iraq. Even in its low-profile mode, Israeli cooperation was extremely valuable: Israel’s military intelligence had focused on Iraq much more carefully over the years than had the U.S. intelligence community. Thus, the Israelis were able to provide Washington with detailed tactical intelligence on Iraqi military activities. Defense Secretary Richard Cheney said, for example, that the U.S. utilized Israeli information about western Iraq in its search for Scud missile launchers. MYTH “Israel benefited from the 1991 Gulf War without paying any price.” FACT IDF rescue workers sort through rubble It is true that Israel benefited from the destruction of Iraq’s military capability by the United States-led coalition, but the cost was enormous. Even before hostilities broke out, Israel had to augment its defense budget to maintain its forces at a heightened state of alert. The Iraqi missile attacks justified Israel’s prudence in keeping its air force flying round the clock. The war required the defense budget to be increased by more than $500 million. Another $100 million boost was needed for civil defense. The damage caused by the 39 Iraqi Scud missiles that landed in Tel Aviv and Haifa was extensive. Approximately 3,300 apartments and other buildings were affected in the greater Tel Aviv area. Some 1,150 people who were evacuated had to be housed at a dozen hotels at a cost of $20,000 per night. Beyond the direct costs of military preparedness and damage to property, the Israeli economy was also hurt by the inability of many Israelis to work under the emergency conditions. The economy functioned at no more than 75 percent of normal capacity during the war, resulting in a net loss to the country of $3.2 billion. The biggest cost was in human lives. A total of 74 people died as a consequence of Scud attacks. Two died in direct hits, four from suffocation in gas masks and the rest from heart attacks. A UN committee dealing with reparation claims against Iraq dating to the 1991 Gulf War approved more than $31 million to be paid to Israeli businesses and individuals. The 1999 decision stemmed from a 1992 Security Council decision calling on Iraq to compensate victims of the Gulf War. In 2001, the United Nations Compensation Commission awarded $74 million to Israel for the costs it incurred from Iraqi Scud missile attacks during the Gulf War. The Commission rejected most of the $1 billion that Israel had requested. MYTH “Iraq was never a threat to Israel.” FACT Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was a leader of the rejectionist Arab states and one of the most belligerent foes of Israel. On April 2, 1990, Saddam’s rhetoric became more threatening: “I swear to God we will let our fire eat half of Israel if it tries to wage anything against Iraq.” Saddam said his nation’s chemical weapons capability was matched only by that of the United States and the Soviet Union, and that he would annihilate anyone who threatened Iraq with an atomic bomb by the “double chemical.” Several days later, Saddam said that war with Israel would not end until all Israeli-held territory was restored to Arab hands. He added that Iraq could launch chemical weapons at Israel from several different sites. 8 The Iraqi leader also made the alarming disclosure that his commanders had the freedom to launch attacks against Israel without consulting the high command if Israel attacked Iraq. The head of the Iraqi Air Force subsequently said he had orders to strike Israel if the Jewish State launched a raid against Iraq or any other Arab country. On June 18, 1990, Saddam told an Islamic Conference meeting in Baghdad: “We will strike at [the Israelis] with all the arms in our possession if they attack Iraq or the Arabs.” He declared “Palestine has been st@len,” and exhorted the Arab world to “recover the usurped rights in Palestine and free Jerusalem from Zionist captivity.” Saddam’s threat came in the wake of revelations that Britain and the United States foiled an attempt to smuggle American-made “krytron” nuclear triggers to Iraq. Britain’s MI6 intelligence service prepared a secret assessment three years earlier that Hussein had ordered an all-out effort to develop nuclear weapons. After Saddam used chemical weapons against his own Kurdish population in Halabja in 1988, few people doubted his willingness to use nuclear weapons against Jews in Israel if he had the opportunity. In April 1990, British customs officers found tubes about to be loaded onto an Iraqi-chartered ship that were believed to be part of a giant cannon that would enable Baghdad to lob nuclear or chemical missiles into Israel or Iran. Iraq denied it was building a “supergun,” but, after the war, it was learned that Iraq had built such a weapon. Iraq emerged from its war with Iran with one of the largest and best-equipped military forces in the world. In fact, Iraq had one million battle-tested troops, more than 700 combat aircraft, 6,000 tanks, ballistic missiles and chemical weapons. Although the U.S. and its allies won a quick victory, the magnitude of Hussein’s arsenal only became clear after the war when UN investigators found evidence of a vast program to build chemical and nuclear weapons. Iraq also served as a base for several terrorist groups that menaced Israel, including the PLO and Abu Nidal’s Fatah Revolutionary Council. After the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Saddam Hussein consistently threatened to strike Israel if his country was attacked. If the U.S. moves against Iraq, he said in December 1990, “then Tel Aviv will receive the next attack, whether or not Israel takes part.” At a press conference, following his January 9, 1991, meeting with Secretary of State James Baker, Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz was asked if the war starts, would Iraq attack Israel. He replied bluntly: “Yes. Absolutely, yes.” Ultimately, Saddam carried out his threat. MYTH “Saddam Hussein was never interested in acquiring nuclear weapons.” FACT In 1981, Israel became convinced Iraq was approaching the capability to produce a nuclear weapon. To preempt the building of a weapon they believed would undoubtedly be directed against them, the Israelis launched a surprise attack that destroyed the Osirak nuclear complex. At the time, Israel was widely criticized. On June 19, the UN Security Council unanimously condemned the raid. Critics minimized the danger of Iraq’s nuclear program, claiming that because Baghdad had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and permitted its facilities to be inspected, Israeli fears were baseless. It was not until after Iraq invaded Kuwait that U.S. officials began to acknowledge publicly that Baghdad was developing nuclear weapons and that it was far closer to reaching its goal than previously thought. Again, many critics argued the Administration was only seeking a justification for a war with Iraq. Months later, after allied forces had announced the destruction of Iraq’s nuclear facilities, UN inspectors found Saddam’s program to develop weapons was far more extensive than even the Israelis believed. Analysts had thought Iraq was incapable of enriching uranium for bombs, but Saddam’s researchers used several methods (including one thought to be obsolete) that were believed to have made it possible for Iraq to build at least one bomb. MYTH “American Jews goaded the United States to go to war against Iraq in 2003 to help Israel.” FACT Some opponents of the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003 claimed that American Jews somehow were responsible for persuading President George W. Bush to launch the military campaign on Israel’s behalf. In fact, President Bush decided that Iraq posed a threat to the United States because it was believed to possess weapons of mass destruction and was pursuing a nuclear capability that could have been used directly against Americans or could have been transferred to terrorists who would use them against U.S. targets. The removal of Saddam Hussein was also designed to eliminate one of the principal sponsors of terrorism. The war in Iraq liberated the Iraqi people from one of the world’s most oppressive regimes. Even in the Arab world, where many people objected to the U.S. action, no Arab leader rose to Saddam Hussein’s defense. It is true that Israel will benefit from the elimination of a regime that launched 39 missiles against it in 1991, paid Palestinians to encourage them to attack Israelis, and led a coalition of Arab states committed to Israel’s destruction. It is also true, however, that many Arab states benefited from the removal of Saddam Hussein, in particular, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. This is why these nations allowed Allied forces to use their countries as bases for operations. As for the role of American Jews, it is important to remember that Jews comprise less than three percent of the U.S. population and were hardly the most vocal advocates of the war. On the contrary, the Jewish community had divisions similar to those in the country as a whole, and most major Jewish organizations purposely avoided taking any position on the war. Meanwhile, public opinion polls showed that a significant majority of all Americans initially supported the President’s policy toward Iraq. Some critics have suggested that prominent Jewish officials in the Bush Administration pushed for the war; however, only a handful of officials in the Administration were Jewish, and not one of the President’s top advisers at the time—the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Vice President, or National Security Adviser—was Jewish. These opponents of the war chose the age-old approach of blaming the Jews for a policy they disagreed with rather than addressing the substantive arguments in the debate. So as you can see Israel was not a beneficiary of these conflicts other than a dangerous regime to the state of Israel was removed. They played no part in the conflict. Anything else you would like to spread lies about, I mean discuss? Mrs x | |||
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributedYou admit you don't know but still say Netenyahu played a part. That's either a gift of foresight or you are just lying, you either know or you don't. It's just idiotic to double down and something you admit you know nothing about. Netenyahu was not involved because Israel were not involved. Muslim countries were though, did Israel have influence over them? I'd ask if you know but we all know the answer to that. This is some of the silliest things you have posted to date. Mrs x What is your thoughts on the following article betty? --- destruction in Iraq has led to a close scrutiny of the role of intelligence agencies in both the United States and Britain. As Brigadier General (ret.) Shlomo Brom, points out, Israeli intelligence, which was in full agreement with American and British intelligence estimates, has, however, remained "in the shadows." General Brom, a senior research associate at Tel Aviv University's Jaffe Center, calls for an inquiry into the performance of Israeli intelligence agencies. In an article titled "The War in Iraq: An Intelligence Failure," first published in "Strategic Assessment," General Brom makes three key points: (1) Israeli intelligence agencies failed because they did not realize that Saddam Hussein's main goal was survival; (2) Israeli intelligence tends to adopt the worst-case scenario; (3) Inflated threat assessments exact a heavy price. ---- Not sure what to make of it, I'd assume all intelligence agencies in the region would communicate with each other, they do this all the time. But Istael did not make Iraq invade Kuwait, neither did they manipulate USA to lead a 42 country coalition to fight Iraq. Iraq invaded Kuwait to avoid paying back a loan, that's a fact. What do you think of this article? It details all the myths and facts that surround Israels involvement in the Gulf Wars. Not that you'll read it. MYTH “The 1991 Gulf War was fought for Israel.” FACT Prior to President George Bush’s announcement of Operation Desert Storm, critics of Israel were claiming the Jewish State and its supporters were pushing Washington to start a war with Iraq to eliminate it as a military threat. President Bush made the U.S. position clear, however, in his speech on August 2, 1990, saying that the United States has “long-standing vital interests” in the Persian Gulf. Moreover, Iraq’s “naked aggression” violated the UN charter. Patriot Missile seeks out a Scud to destory Over the course of the Gulf crisis, the President and other top Administration officials made clear that U.S. interests—primarily oil supplies—were threatened by the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Most Americans agreed with the President’s decision to go to war. For example, the Washington Post/ABC News Poll on January 16, 1991, found that 76 percent of Americans approved of the U.S. going to war with Iraq and 22 percent disapproved. It is true that Israel viewed Iraq as a serious threat to its security given its leadership of the rejectionist camp. Israeli concerns proved justified after the war began and Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles at its civilian population centers. Israel has never asked American troops to fight its battles. Although Israeli forces were prepared to participate in the Gulf War, they did not because the United States asked them not to. Even after the provocation of the Scud missile attacks, Israel assented to U.S. appeals not to respond. MYTH “Israel’s low profile in the Gulf War proved it has no strategic value to the United States.” FACT Israel was never expected to play a major role in hostilities in the Gulf. American officials knew the Arabs would not allow Israel to help defend them; they also knew U.S. troops would have to intervene because the Gulf States could not protect themselves. Israel’s posture reflected a deliberate political decision in response to American requests. Nevertheless, it did aid the United States’ successful campaign to roll back Iraq’s aggression. For example: By warning that it would take military measures if any Iraqi troops entered Jordan, Israel, in effect, guaranteed its neighbor’s territorial integrity against Iraqi aggression. The United States benefited from the use of Israeli-made Have Nap air-launched missiles on its B-52 bombers. The Navy, meanwhile, used Israeli Pioneer pilotless drones for reconnaissance in the Gulf. Israel provided mine plows that were used to clear paths for allied forces through Iraqi minefields. Mobile bridges flown directly from Israel to Saudi Arabia were employed by the U.S. Marine Corps. Israeli recommendations, based upon system performance observations, led to several software changes that made the Patriot a more capable missile defense system. Israel Aircraft Industries developed conformal fuel tanks that enhanced the range of F-15 aircraft. These were used in the Gulf. General Dynamics, a U.S. military contractor, has implemented a variety of Israeli modifications to improve the worldwide F-16 aircraft fleet, including structural enhancements, software changes, increased capability landing gear, radio improvements and avionic modifications. An Israeli-produced targeting system was used to increase the Cobra helicopter’s night-fighting capabilities. Israel manufactured the canister for the highly successful Tomahawk missile. Night-vision goggles used by U.S. forces were supplied by Israel. A low-altitude warning system produced and developed in Israel was utilized on Blackhawk helicopters. Israel offered the United States the use of military and hospital facilities. U.S. ships utilized Haifa port shipyard maintenance and support on their way to the Gulf. Israel destroyed Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981. Consequently, U.S. troops did not face a nuclear-armed Iraq. Even in its low-profile mode, Israeli cooperation was extremely valuable: Israel’s military intelligence had focused on Iraq much more carefully over the years than had the U.S. intelligence community. Thus, the Israelis were able to provide Washington with detailed tactical intelligence on Iraqi military activities. Defense Secretary Richard Cheney said, for example, that the U.S. utilized Israeli information about western Iraq in its search for Scud missile launchers. MYTH “Israel benefited from the 1991 Gulf War without paying any price.” FACT IDF rescue workers sort through rubble It is true that Israel benefited from the destruction of Iraq’s military capability by the United States-led coalition, but the cost was enormous. Even before hostilities broke out, Israel had to augment its defense budget to maintain its forces at a heightened state of alert. The Iraqi missile attacks justified Israel’s prudence in keeping its air force flying round the clock. The war required the defense budget to be increased by more than $500 million. Another $100 million boost was needed for civil defense. The damage caused by the 39 Iraqi Scud missiles that landed in Tel Aviv and Haifa was extensive. Approximately 3,300 apartments and other buildings were affected in the greater Tel Aviv area. Some 1,150 people who were evacuated had to be housed at a dozen hotels at a cost of $20,000 per night. Beyond the direct costs of military preparedness and damage to property, the Israeli economy was also hurt by the inability of many Israelis to work under the emergency conditions. The economy functioned at no more than 75 percent of normal capacity during the war, resulting in a net loss to the country of $3.2 billion. The biggest cost was in human lives. A total of 74 people died as a consequence of Scud attacks. Two died in direct hits, four from suffocation in gas masks and the rest from heart attacks. A UN committee dealing with reparation claims against Iraq dating to the 1991 Gulf War approved more than $31 million to be paid to Israeli businesses and individuals. The 1999 decision stemmed from a 1992 Security Council decision calling on Iraq to compensate victims of the Gulf War. In 2001, the United Nations Compensation Commission awarded $74 million to Israel for the costs it incurred from Iraqi Scud missile attacks during the Gulf War. The Commission rejected most of the $1 billion that Israel had requested. MYTH “Iraq was never a threat to Israel.” FACT Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was a leader of the rejectionist Arab states and one of the most belligerent foes of Israel. On April 2, 1990, Saddam’s rhetoric became more threatening: “I swear to God we will let our fire eat half of Israel if it tries to wage anything against Iraq.” Saddam said his nation’s chemical weapons capability was matched only by that of the United States and the Soviet Union, and that he would annihilate anyone who threatened Iraq with an atomic bomb by the “double chemical.” Several days later, Saddam said that war with Israel would not end until all Israeli-held territory was restored to Arab hands. He added that Iraq could launch chemical weapons at Israel from several different sites. 8 The Iraqi leader also made the alarming disclosure that his commanders had the freedom to launch attacks against Israel without consulting the high command if Israel attacked Iraq. The head of the Iraqi Air Force subsequently said he had orders to strike Israel if the Jewish State launched a raid against Iraq or any other Arab country. On June 18, 1990, Saddam told an Islamic Conference meeting in Baghdad: “We will strike at [the Israelis] with all the arms in our possession if they attack Iraq or the Arabs.” He declared “Palestine has been st@len,” and exhorted the Arab world to “recover the usurped rights in Palestine and free Jerusalem from Zionist captivity.” Saddam’s threat came in the wake of revelations that Britain and the United States foiled an attempt to smuggle American-made “krytron” nuclear triggers to Iraq. Britain’s MI6 intelligence service prepared a secret assessment three years earlier that Hussein had ordered an all-out effort to develop nuclear weapons. After Saddam used chemical weapons against his own Kurdish population in Halabja in 1988, few people doubted his willingness to use nuclear weapons against Jews in Israel if he had the opportunity. In April 1990, British customs officers found tubes about to be loaded onto an Iraqi-chartered ship that were believed to be part of a giant cannon that would enable Baghdad to lob nuclear or chemical missiles into Israel or Iran. Iraq denied it was building a “supergun,” but, after the war, it was learned that Iraq had built such a weapon. Iraq emerged from its war with Iran with one of the largest and best-equipped military forces in the world. In fact, Iraq had one million battle-tested troops, more than 700 combat aircraft, 6,000 tanks, ballistic missiles and chemical weapons. Although the U.S. and its allies won a quick victory, the magnitude of Hussein’s arsenal only became clear after the war when UN investigators found evidence of a vast program to build chemical and nuclear weapons. Iraq also served as a base for several terrorist groups that menaced Israel, including the PLO and Abu Nidal’s Fatah Revolutionary Council. After the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Saddam Hussein consistently threatened to strike Israel if his country was attacked. If the U.S. moves against Iraq, he said in December 1990, “then Tel Aviv will receive the next attack, whether or not Israel takes part.” At a press conference, following his January 9, 1991, meeting with Secretary of State James Baker, Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz was asked if the war starts, would Iraq attack Israel. He replied bluntly: “Yes. Absolutely, yes.” Ultimately, Saddam carried out his threat. MYTH “Saddam Hussein was never interested in acquiring nuclear weapons.” FACT In 1981, Israel became convinced Iraq was approaching the capability to produce a nuclear weapon. To preempt the building of a weapon they believed would undoubtedly be directed against them, the Israelis launched a surprise attack that destroyed the Osirak nuclear complex. At the time, Israel was widely criticized. On June 19, the UN Security Council unanimously condemned the raid. Critics minimized the danger of Iraq’s nuclear program, claiming that because Baghdad had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and permitted its facilities to be inspected, Israeli fears were baseless. It was not until after Iraq invaded Kuwait that U.S. officials began to acknowledge publicly that Baghdad was developing nuclear weapons and that it was far closer to reaching its goal than previously thought. Again, many critics argued the Administration was only seeking a justification for a war with Iraq. Months later, after allied forces had announced the destruction of Iraq’s nuclear facilities, UN inspectors found Saddam’s program to develop weapons was far more extensive than even the Israelis believed. Analysts had thought Iraq was incapable of enriching uranium for bombs, but Saddam’s researchers used several methods (including one thought to be obsolete) that were believed to have made it possible for Iraq to build at least one bomb. MYTH “American Jews goaded the United States to go to war against Iraq in 2003 to help Israel.” FACT Some opponents of the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003 claimed that American Jews somehow were responsible for persuading President George W. Bush to launch the military campaign on Israel’s behalf. In fact, President Bush decided that Iraq posed a threat to the United States because it was believed to possess weapons of mass destruction and was pursuing a nuclear capability that could have been used directly against Americans or could have been transferred to terrorists who would use them against U.S. targets. The removal of Saddam Hussein was also designed to eliminate one of the principal sponsors of terrorism. The war in Iraq liberated the Iraqi people from one of the world’s most oppressive regimes. Even in the Arab world, where many people objected to the U.S. action, no Arab leader rose to Saddam Hussein’s defense. It is true that Israel will benefit from the elimination of a regime that launched 39 missiles against it in 1991, paid Palestinians to encourage them to attack Israelis, and led a coalition of Arab states committed to Israel’s destruction. It is also true, however, that many Arab states benefited from the removal of Saddam Hussein, in particular, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. This is why these nations allowed Allied forces to use their countries as bases for operations. As for the role of American Jews, it is important to remember that Jews comprise less than three percent of the U.S. population and were hardly the most vocal advocates of the war. On the contrary, the Jewish community had divisions similar to those in the country as a whole, and most major Jewish organizations purposely avoided taking any position on the war. Meanwhile, public opinion polls showed that a significant majority of all Americans initially supported the President’s policy toward Iraq. Some critics have suggested that prominent Jewish officials in the Bush Administration pushed for the war; however, only a handful of officials in the Administration were Jewish, and not one of the President’s top advisers at the time—the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Vice President, or National Security Adviser—was Jewish. These opponents of the war chose the age-old approach of blaming the Jews for a policy they disagreed with rather than addressing the substantive arguments in the debate. So as you can see Israel was not a beneficiary of these conflicts other than a dangerous regime to the state of Israel was removed. They played no part in the conflict. Anything else you would like to spread lies about, I mean discuss? Mrs x" Well it's clear that the whole 30 year campaign , instead of having. Two state solution with Palestine and Israel living in peace , is STILL going for regime change with the u.s. STILL doing his bidding AND it's a disaster AND the little shit STILL at it AND the stupid politicians in the u.s. and UK are STILL dancing to his tune and STILL after the disaster of IRAQ are STILL swallowing the shite over Iran now. America doesn't want a war with Iran, Iran doesn't want a war with America yet mugs Muppets and morons still blindly buy netenyahus shite. I suppose you'd support a war with Iran next and the same disaster like Iraq! Btw he's building ILLEGAL settlements on the Golan heights now defying international law AGAIN.. wow what a suprise
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributedYou admit you don't know but still say Netenyahu played a part. That's either a gift of foresight or you are just lying, you either know or you don't. It's just idiotic to double down and something you admit you know nothing about. Netenyahu was not involved because Israel were not involved. Muslim countries were though, did Israel have influence over them? I'd ask if you know but we all know the answer to that. This is some of the silliest things you have posted to date. Mrs x What is your thoughts on the following article betty? --- destruction in Iraq has led to a close scrutiny of the role of intelligence agencies in both the United States and Britain. As Brigadier General (ret.) Shlomo Brom, points out, Israeli intelligence, which was in full agreement with American and British intelligence estimates, has, however, remained "in the shadows." General Brom, a senior research associate at Tel Aviv University's Jaffe Center, calls for an inquiry into the performance of Israeli intelligence agencies. In an article titled "The War in Iraq: An Intelligence Failure," first published in "Strategic Assessment," General Brom makes three key points: (1) Israeli intelligence agencies failed because they did not realize that Saddam Hussein's main goal was survival; (2) Israeli intelligence tends to adopt the worst-case scenario; (3) Inflated threat assessments exact a heavy price. ---- Not sure what to make of it, I'd assume all intelligence agencies in the region would communicate with each other, they do this all the time. But Istael did not make Iraq invade Kuwait, neither did they manipulate USA to lead a 42 country coalition to fight Iraq. Iraq invaded Kuwait to avoid paying back a loan, that's a fact. What do you think of this article? It details all the myths and facts that surround Israels involvement in the Gulf Wars. Not that you'll read it. MYTH “The 1991 Gulf War was fought for Israel.” FACT Prior to President George Bush’s announcement of Operation Desert Storm, critics of Israel were claiming the Jewish State and its supporters were pushing Washington to start a war with Iraq to eliminate it as a military threat. President Bush made the U.S. position clear, however, in his speech on August 2, 1990, saying that the United States has “long-standing vital interests” in the Persian Gulf. Moreover, Iraq’s “naked aggression” violated the UN charter. Patriot Missile seeks out a Scud to destory Over the course of the Gulf crisis, the President and other top Administration officials made clear that U.S. interests—primarily oil supplies—were threatened by the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Most Americans agreed with the President’s decision to go to war. For example, the Washington Post/ABC News Poll on January 16, 1991, found that 76 percent of Americans approved of the U.S. going to war with Iraq and 22 percent disapproved. It is true that Israel viewed Iraq as a serious threat to its security given its leadership of the rejectionist camp. Israeli concerns proved justified after the war began and Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles at its civilian population centers. Israel has never asked American troops to fight its battles. Although Israeli forces were prepared to participate in the Gulf War, they did not because the United States asked them not to. Even after the provocation of the Scud missile attacks, Israel assented to U.S. appeals not to respond. MYTH “Israel’s low profile in the Gulf War proved it has no strategic value to the United States.” FACT Israel was never expected to play a major role in hostilities in the Gulf. American officials knew the Arabs would not allow Israel to help defend them; they also knew U.S. troops would have to intervene because the Gulf States could not protect themselves. Israel’s posture reflected a deliberate political decision in response to American requests. Nevertheless, it did aid the United States’ successful campaign to roll back Iraq’s aggression. For example: By warning that it would take military measures if any Iraqi troops entered Jordan, Israel, in effect, guaranteed its neighbor’s territorial integrity against Iraqi aggression. The United States benefited from the use of Israeli-made Have Nap air-launched missiles on its B-52 bombers. The Navy, meanwhile, used Israeli Pioneer pilotless drones for reconnaissance in the Gulf. Israel provided mine plows that were used to clear paths for allied forces through Iraqi minefields. Mobile bridges flown directly from Israel to Saudi Arabia were employed by the U.S. Marine Corps. Israeli recommendations, based upon system performance observations, led to several software changes that made the Patriot a more capable missile defense system. Israel Aircraft Industries developed conformal fuel tanks that enhanced the range of F-15 aircraft. These were used in the Gulf. General Dynamics, a U.S. military contractor, has implemented a variety of Israeli modifications to improve the worldwide F-16 aircraft fleet, including structural enhancements, software changes, increased capability landing gear, radio improvements and avionic modifications. An Israeli-produced targeting system was used to increase the Cobra helicopter’s night-fighting capabilities. Israel manufactured the canister for the highly successful Tomahawk missile. Night-vision goggles used by U.S. forces were supplied by Israel. A low-altitude warning system produced and developed in Israel was utilized on Blackhawk helicopters. Israel offered the United States the use of military and hospital facilities. U.S. ships utilized Haifa port shipyard maintenance and support on their way to the Gulf. Israel destroyed Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981. Consequently, U.S. troops did not face a nuclear-armed Iraq. Even in its low-profile mode, Israeli cooperation was extremely valuable: Israel’s military intelligence had focused on Iraq much more carefully over the years than had the U.S. intelligence community. Thus, the Israelis were able to provide Washington with detailed tactical intelligence on Iraqi military activities. Defense Secretary Richard Cheney said, for example, that the U.S. utilized Israeli information about western Iraq in its search for Scud missile launchers. MYTH “Israel benefited from the 1991 Gulf War without paying any price.” FACT IDF rescue workers sort through rubble It is true that Israel benefited from the destruction of Iraq’s military capability by the United States-led coalition, but the cost was enormous. Even before hostilities broke out, Israel had to augment its defense budget to maintain its forces at a heightened state of alert. The Iraqi missile attacks justified Israel’s prudence in keeping its air force flying round the clock. The war required the defense budget to be increased by more than $500 million. Another $100 million boost was needed for civil defense. The damage caused by the 39 Iraqi Scud missiles that landed in Tel Aviv and Haifa was extensive. Approximately 3,300 apartments and other buildings were affected in the greater Tel Aviv area. Some 1,150 people who were evacuated had to be housed at a dozen hotels at a cost of $20,000 per night. Beyond the direct costs of military preparedness and damage to property, the Israeli economy was also hurt by the inability of many Israelis to work under the emergency conditions. The economy functioned at no more than 75 percent of normal capacity during the war, resulting in a net loss to the country of $3.2 billion. The biggest cost was in human lives. A total of 74 people died as a consequence of Scud attacks. Two died in direct hits, four from suffocation in gas masks and the rest from heart attacks. A UN committee dealing with reparation claims against Iraq dating to the 1991 Gulf War approved more than $31 million to be paid to Israeli businesses and individuals. The 1999 decision stemmed from a 1992 Security Council decision calling on Iraq to compensate victims of the Gulf War. In 2001, the United Nations Compensation Commission awarded $74 million to Israel for the costs it incurred from Iraqi Scud missile attacks during the Gulf War. The Commission rejected most of the $1 billion that Israel had requested. MYTH “Iraq was never a threat to Israel.” FACT Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was a leader of the rejectionist Arab states and one of the most belligerent foes of Israel. On April 2, 1990, Saddam’s rhetoric became more threatening: “I swear to God we will let our fire eat half of Israel if it tries to wage anything against Iraq.” Saddam said his nation’s chemical weapons capability was matched only by that of the United States and the Soviet Union, and that he would annihilate anyone who threatened Iraq with an atomic bomb by the “double chemical.” Several days later, Saddam said that war with Israel would not end until all Israeli-held territory was restored to Arab hands. He added that Iraq could launch chemical weapons at Israel from several different sites. 8 The Iraqi leader also made the alarming disclosure that his commanders had the freedom to launch attacks against Israel without consulting the high command if Israel attacked Iraq. The head of the Iraqi Air Force subsequently said he had orders to strike Israel if the Jewish State launched a raid against Iraq or any other Arab country. On June 18, 1990, Saddam told an Islamic Conference meeting in Baghdad: “We will strike at [the Israelis] with all the arms in our possession if they attack Iraq or the Arabs.” He declared “Palestine has been st@len,” and exhorted the Arab world to “recover the usurped rights in Palestine and free Jerusalem from Zionist captivity.” Saddam’s threat came in the wake of revelations that Britain and the United States foiled an attempt to smuggle American-made “krytron” nuclear triggers to Iraq. Britain’s MI6 intelligence service prepared a secret assessment three years earlier that Hussein had ordered an all-out effort to develop nuclear weapons. After Saddam used chemical weapons against his own Kurdish population in Halabja in 1988, few people doubted his willingness to use nuclear weapons against Jews in Israel if he had the opportunity. In April 1990, British customs officers found tubes about to be loaded onto an Iraqi-chartered ship that were believed to be part of a giant cannon that would enable Baghdad to lob nuclear or chemical missiles into Israel or Iran. Iraq denied it was building a “supergun,” but, after the war, it was learned that Iraq had built such a weapon. Iraq emerged from its war with Iran with one of the largest and best-equipped military forces in the world. In fact, Iraq had one million battle-tested troops, more than 700 combat aircraft, 6,000 tanks, ballistic missiles and chemical weapons. Although the U.S. and its allies won a quick victory, the magnitude of Hussein’s arsenal only became clear after the war when UN investigators found evidence of a vast program to build chemical and nuclear weapons. Iraq also served as a base for several terrorist groups that menaced Israel, including the PLO and Abu Nidal’s Fatah Revolutionary Council. After the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Saddam Hussein consistently threatened to strike Israel if his country was attacked. If the U.S. moves against Iraq, he said in December 1990, “then Tel Aviv will receive the next attack, whether or not Israel takes part.” At a press conference, following his January 9, 1991, meeting with Secretary of State James Baker, Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz was asked if the war starts, would Iraq attack Israel. He replied bluntly: “Yes. Absolutely, yes.” Ultimately, Saddam carried out his threat. MYTH “Saddam Hussein was never interested in acquiring nuclear weapons.” FACT In 1981, Israel became convinced Iraq was approaching the capability to produce a nuclear weapon. To preempt the building of a weapon they believed would undoubtedly be directed against them, the Israelis launched a surprise attack that destroyed the Osirak nuclear complex. At the time, Israel was widely criticized. On June 19, the UN Security Council unanimously condemned the raid. Critics minimized the danger of Iraq’s nuclear program, claiming that because Baghdad had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and permitted its facilities to be inspected, Israeli fears were baseless. It was not until after Iraq invaded Kuwait that U.S. officials began to acknowledge publicly that Baghdad was developing nuclear weapons and that it was far closer to reaching its goal than previously thought. Again, many critics argued the Administration was only seeking a justification for a war with Iraq. Months later, after allied forces had announced the destruction of Iraq’s nuclear facilities, UN inspectors found Saddam’s program to develop weapons was far more extensive than even the Israelis believed. Analysts had thought Iraq was incapable of enriching uranium for bombs, but Saddam’s researchers used several methods (including one thought to be obsolete) that were believed to have made it possible for Iraq to build at least one bomb. MYTH “American Jews goaded the United States to go to war against Iraq in 2003 to help Israel.” FACT Some opponents of the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003 claimed that American Jews somehow were responsible for persuading President George W. Bush to launch the military campaign on Israel’s behalf. In fact, President Bush decided that Iraq posed a threat to the United States because it was believed to possess weapons of mass destruction and was pursuing a nuclear capability that could have been used directly against Americans or could have been transferred to terrorists who would use them against U.S. targets. The removal of Saddam Hussein was also designed to eliminate one of the principal sponsors of terrorism. The war in Iraq liberated the Iraqi people from one of the world’s most oppressive regimes. Even in the Arab world, where many people objected to the U.S. action, no Arab leader rose to Saddam Hussein’s defense. It is true that Israel will benefit from the elimination of a regime that launched 39 missiles against it in 1991, paid Palestinians to encourage them to attack Israelis, and led a coalition of Arab states committed to Israel’s destruction. It is also true, however, that many Arab states benefited from the removal of Saddam Hussein, in particular, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. This is why these nations allowed Allied forces to use their countries as bases for operations. As for the role of American Jews, it is important to remember that Jews comprise less than three percent of the U.S. population and were hardly the most vocal advocates of the war. On the contrary, the Jewish community had divisions similar to those in the country as a whole, and most major Jewish organizations purposely avoided taking any position on the war. Meanwhile, public opinion polls showed that a significant majority of all Americans initially supported the President’s policy toward Iraq. Some critics have suggested that prominent Jewish officials in the Bush Administration pushed for the war; however, only a handful of officials in the Administration were Jewish, and not one of the President’s top advisers at the time—the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Vice President, or National Security Adviser—was Jewish. These opponents of the war chose the age-old approach of blaming the Jews for a policy they disagreed with rather than addressing the substantive arguments in the debate. So as you can see Israel was not a beneficiary of these conflicts other than a dangerous regime to the state of Israel was removed. They played no part in the conflict. Anything else you would like to spread lies about, I mean discuss? Mrs x Well it's clear that the whole 30 year campaign , instead of having. Two state solution with Palestine and Israel living in peace , is STILL going for regime change with the u.s. STILL doing his bidding AND it's a disaster AND the little shit STILL at it AND the stupid politicians in the u.s. and UK are STILL dancing to his tune and STILL after the disaster of IRAQ are STILL swallowing the shite over Iran now. America doesn't want a war with Iran, Iran doesn't want a war with America yet mugs Muppets and morons still blindly buy netenyahus shite. I suppose you'd support a war with Iran next and the same disaster like Iraq! Btw he's building ILLEGAL settlements on the Golan heights now defying international law AGAIN.. wow what a suprise
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"Looks like an opportunistic land grab doesn't it? Another district of Greater Israel to send settlers and squeeze out local Syrian farmers. It will just stoke up tensions and bring more turmoil and war to the area. Yep. Israel helped to get Iraq invaded by the USA and after that total Trainwreck of a disastrous stupid war were buying the same crap Israel is now spouting again for Iran. Let the west do the job for them, kick back and reap the benefits from American and UK forces casualtiesSo Iraqs invasion of Kuwait had nothing to do with the USA getting involved, it was all because of Israel? Haha I needed to start the day off with a little giggle, Mrs x Well there's a lot you don't understand and I'll help you Betty. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait even though it was a war that we had no business in. The unsc sanctioned the liberation of Kuwait - "desert storm" After Kuwait was liberated it was then pushed by lies and deceit by Tony Blair, Colin powell, bush, netenyshu and others to overstep the mark and illegally invade Iraq itself.. a total disastrous expensive in money and lives of British American, and above all over one million Iraqi lives based on bare faced lies. An illegal war that only Israel benefitted from. Now I suspect your get out excuse here is to label me anti semetic Linking Netanyahu and Israel to the events of the Gulf War or the Iraq War seems to me, misleading. During the Gulf War, Israel was targeted with rocket attacks but did not retaliate to avoid complicating the coalition politically. Israel did not take part in either conflict and was not a member of the coalition. Netanyahu was in opposition at the time so why would you have linked him and Israel into these events at all? Re linking Netanyahu - did I say he was pm at the time? If so my mistake but anyway he was one of the politicians on the bandwagon at the time. No Israel didn't get involved with the scud missiles being fired at them when Saddam was trying to provoke a response. Israel didn't need to get involved militarily because we were and the USA doing the fighting. I'm not saying Israel had 100 % influence but did play a part in the wmd lies. How much sway he had I don't know but he certainly contributedYou admit you don't know but still say Netenyahu played a part. That's either a gift of foresight or you are just lying, you either know or you don't. It's just idiotic to double down and something you admit you know nothing about. Netenyahu was not involved because Israel were not involved. Muslim countries were though, did Israel have influence over them? I'd ask if you know but we all know the answer to that. This is some of the silliest things you have posted to date. Mrs x What is your thoughts on the following article betty? --- destruction in Iraq has led to a close scrutiny of the role of intelligence agencies in both the United States and Britain. As Brigadier General (ret.) Shlomo Brom, points out, Israeli intelligence, which was in full agreement with American and British intelligence estimates, has, however, remained "in the shadows." General Brom, a senior research associate at Tel Aviv University's Jaffe Center, calls for an inquiry into the performance of Israeli intelligence agencies. In an article titled "The War in Iraq: An Intelligence Failure," first published in "Strategic Assessment," General Brom makes three key points: (1) Israeli intelligence agencies failed because they did not realize that Saddam Hussein's main goal was survival; (2) Israeli intelligence tends to adopt the worst-case scenario; (3) Inflated threat assessments exact a heavy price. ---- Not sure what to make of it, I'd assume all intelligence agencies in the region would communicate with each other, they do this all the time. But Istael did not make Iraq invade Kuwait, neither did they manipulate USA to lead a 42 country coalition to fight Iraq. Iraq invaded Kuwait to avoid paying back a loan, that's a fact. What do you think of this article? It details all the myths and facts that surround Israels involvement in the Gulf Wars. Not that you'll read it. MYTH “The 1991 Gulf War was fought for Israel.” FACT Prior to President George Bush’s announcement of Operation Desert Storm, critics of Israel were claiming the Jewish State and its supporters were pushing Washington to start a war with Iraq to eliminate it as a military threat. President Bush made the U.S. position clear, however, in his speech on August 2, 1990, saying that the United States has “long-standing vital interests” in the Persian Gulf. Moreover, Iraq’s “naked aggression” violated the UN charter. Patriot Missile seeks out a Scud to destory Over the course of the Gulf crisis, the President and other top Administration officials made clear that U.S. interests—primarily oil supplies—were threatened by the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Most Americans agreed with the President’s decision to go to war. For example, the Washington Post/ABC News Poll on January 16, 1991, found that 76 percent of Americans approved of the U.S. going to war with Iraq and 22 percent disapproved. It is true that Israel viewed Iraq as a serious threat to its security given its leadership of the rejectionist camp. Israeli concerns proved justified after the war began and Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles at its civilian population centers. Israel has never asked American troops to fight its battles. Although Israeli forces were prepared to participate in the Gulf War, they did not because the United States asked them not to. Even after the provocation of the Scud missile attacks, Israel assented to U.S. appeals not to respond. MYTH “Israel’s low profile in the Gulf War proved it has no strategic value to the United States.” FACT Israel was never expected to play a major role in hostilities in the Gulf. American officials knew the Arabs would not allow Israel to help defend them; they also knew U.S. troops would have to intervene because the Gulf States could not protect themselves. Israel’s posture reflected a deliberate political decision in response to American requests. Nevertheless, it did aid the United States’ successful campaign to roll back Iraq’s aggression. For example: By warning that it would take military measures if any Iraqi troops entered Jordan, Israel, in effect, guaranteed its neighbor’s territorial integrity against Iraqi aggression. The United States benefited from the use of Israeli-made Have Nap air-launched missiles on its B-52 bombers. The Navy, meanwhile, used Israeli Pioneer pilotless drones for reconnaissance in the Gulf. Israel provided mine plows that were used to clear paths for allied forces through Iraqi minefields. Mobile bridges flown directly from Israel to Saudi Arabia were employed by the U.S. Marine Corps. Israeli recommendations, based upon system performance observations, led to several software changes that made the Patriot a more capable missile defense system. Israel Aircraft Industries developed conformal fuel tanks that enhanced the range of F-15 aircraft. These were used in the Gulf. General Dynamics, a U.S. military contractor, has implemented a variety of Israeli modifications to improve the worldwide F-16 aircraft fleet, including structural enhancements, software changes, increased capability landing gear, radio improvements and avionic modifications. An Israeli-produced targeting system was used to increase the Cobra helicopter’s night-fighting capabilities. Israel manufactured the canister for the highly successful Tomahawk missile. Night-vision goggles used by U.S. forces were supplied by Israel. A low-altitude warning system produced and developed in Israel was utilized on Blackhawk helicopters. Israel offered the United States the use of military and hospital facilities. U.S. ships utilized Haifa port shipyard maintenance and support on their way to the Gulf. Israel destroyed Iraq’s nuclear reactor in 1981. Consequently, U.S. troops did not face a nuclear-armed Iraq. Even in its low-profile mode, Israeli cooperation was extremely valuable: Israel’s military intelligence had focused on Iraq much more carefully over the years than had the U.S. intelligence community. Thus, the Israelis were able to provide Washington with detailed tactical intelligence on Iraqi military activities. Defense Secretary Richard Cheney said, for example, that the U.S. utilized Israeli information about western Iraq in its search for Scud missile launchers. MYTH “Israel benefited from the 1991 Gulf War without paying any price.” FACT IDF rescue workers sort through rubble It is true that Israel benefited from the destruction of Iraq’s military capability by the United States-led coalition, but the cost was enormous. Even before hostilities broke out, Israel had to augment its defense budget to maintain its forces at a heightened state of alert. The Iraqi missile attacks justified Israel’s prudence in keeping its air force flying round the clock. The war required the defense budget to be increased by more than $500 million. Another $100 million boost was needed for civil defense. The damage caused by the 39 Iraqi Scud missiles that landed in Tel Aviv and Haifa was extensive. Approximately 3,300 apartments and other buildings were affected in the greater Tel Aviv area. Some 1,150 people who were evacuated had to be housed at a dozen hotels at a cost of $20,000 per night. Beyond the direct costs of military preparedness and damage to property, the Israeli economy was also hurt by the inability of many Israelis to work under the emergency conditions. The economy functioned at no more than 75 percent of normal capacity during the war, resulting in a net loss to the country of $3.2 billion. The biggest cost was in human lives. A total of 74 people died as a consequence of Scud attacks. Two died in direct hits, four from suffocation in gas masks and the rest from heart attacks. A UN committee dealing with reparation claims against Iraq dating to the 1991 Gulf War approved more than $31 million to be paid to Israeli businesses and individuals. The 1999 decision stemmed from a 1992 Security Council decision calling on Iraq to compensate victims of the Gulf War. In 2001, the United Nations Compensation Commission awarded $74 million to Israel for the costs it incurred from Iraqi Scud missile attacks during the Gulf War. The Commission rejected most of the $1 billion that Israel had requested. MYTH “Iraq was never a threat to Israel.” FACT Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was a leader of the rejectionist Arab states and one of the most belligerent foes of Israel. On April 2, 1990, Saddam’s rhetoric became more threatening: “I swear to God we will let our fire eat half of Israel if it tries to wage anything against Iraq.” Saddam said his nation’s chemical weapons capability was matched only by that of the United States and the Soviet Union, and that he would annihilate anyone who threatened Iraq with an atomic bomb by the “double chemical.” Several days later, Saddam said that war with Israel would not end until all Israeli-held territory was restored to Arab hands. He added that Iraq could launch chemical weapons at Israel from several different sites. 8 The Iraqi leader also made the alarming disclosure that his commanders had the freedom to launch attacks against Israel without consulting the high command if Israel attacked Iraq. The head of the Iraqi Air Force subsequently said he had orders to strike Israel if the Jewish State launched a raid against Iraq or any other Arab country. On June 18, 1990, Saddam told an Islamic Conference meeting in Baghdad: “We will strike at [the Israelis] with all the arms in our possession if they attack Iraq or the Arabs.” He declared “Palestine has been st@len,” and exhorted the Arab world to “recover the usurped rights in Palestine and free Jerusalem from Zionist captivity.” Saddam’s threat came in the wake of revelations that Britain and the United States foiled an attempt to smuggle American-made “krytron” nuclear triggers to Iraq. Britain’s MI6 intelligence service prepared a secret assessment three years earlier that Hussein had ordered an all-out effort to develop nuclear weapons. After Saddam used chemical weapons against his own Kurdish population in Halabja in 1988, few people doubted his willingness to use nuclear weapons against Jews in Israel if he had the opportunity. In April 1990, British customs officers found tubes about to be loaded onto an Iraqi-chartered ship that were believed to be part of a giant cannon that would enable Baghdad to lob nuclear or chemical missiles into Israel or Iran. Iraq denied it was building a “supergun,” but, after the war, it was learned that Iraq had built such a weapon. Iraq emerged from its war with Iran with one of the largest and best-equipped military forces in the world. In fact, Iraq had one million battle-tested troops, more than 700 combat aircraft, 6,000 tanks, ballistic missiles and chemical weapons. Although the U.S. and its allies won a quick victory, the magnitude of Hussein’s arsenal only became clear after the war when UN investigators found evidence of a vast program to build chemical and nuclear weapons. Iraq also served as a base for several terrorist groups that menaced Israel, including the PLO and Abu Nidal’s Fatah Revolutionary Council. After the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Saddam Hussein consistently threatened to strike Israel if his country was attacked. If the U.S. moves against Iraq, he said in December 1990, “then Tel Aviv will receive the next attack, whether or not Israel takes part.” At a press conference, following his January 9, 1991, meeting with Secretary of State James Baker, Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz was asked if the war starts, would Iraq attack Israel. He replied bluntly: “Yes. Absolutely, yes.” Ultimately, Saddam carried out his threat. MYTH “Saddam Hussein was never interested in acquiring nuclear weapons.” FACT In 1981, Israel became convinced Iraq was approaching the capability to produce a nuclear weapon. To preempt the building of a weapon they believed would undoubtedly be directed against them, the Israelis launched a surprise attack that destroyed the Osirak nuclear complex. At the time, Israel was widely criticized. On June 19, the UN Security Council unanimously condemned the raid. Critics minimized the danger of Iraq’s nuclear program, claiming that because Baghdad had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and permitted its facilities to be inspected, Israeli fears were baseless. It was not until after Iraq invaded Kuwait that U.S. officials began to acknowledge publicly that Baghdad was developing nuclear weapons and that it was far closer to reaching its goal than previously thought. Again, many critics argued the Administration was only seeking a justification for a war with Iraq. Months later, after allied forces had announced the destruction of Iraq’s nuclear facilities, UN inspectors found Saddam’s program to develop weapons was far more extensive than even the Israelis believed. Analysts had thought Iraq was incapable of enriching uranium for bombs, but Saddam’s researchers used several methods (including one thought to be obsolete) that were believed to have made it possible for Iraq to build at least one bomb. MYTH “American Jews goaded the United States to go to war against Iraq in 2003 to help Israel.” FACT Some opponents of the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003 claimed that American Jews somehow were responsible for persuading President George W. Bush to launch the military campaign on Israel’s behalf. In fact, President Bush decided that Iraq posed a threat to the United States because it was believed to possess weapons of mass destruction and was pursuing a nuclear capability that could have been used directly against Americans or could have been transferred to terrorists who would use them against U.S. targets. The removal of Saddam Hussein was also designed to eliminate one of the principal sponsors of terrorism. The war in Iraq liberated the Iraqi people from one of the world’s most oppressive regimes. Even in the Arab world, where many people objected to the U.S. action, no Arab leader rose to Saddam Hussein’s defense. It is true that Israel will benefit from the elimination of a regime that launched 39 missiles against it in 1991, paid Palestinians to encourage them to attack Israelis, and led a coalition of Arab states committed to Israel’s destruction. It is also true, however, that many Arab states benefited from the removal of Saddam Hussein, in particular, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. This is why these nations allowed Allied forces to use their countries as bases for operations. As for the role of American Jews, it is important to remember that Jews comprise less than three percent of the U.S. population and were hardly the most vocal advocates of the war. On the contrary, the Jewish community had divisions similar to those in the country as a whole, and most major Jewish organizations purposely avoided taking any position on the war. Meanwhile, public opinion polls showed that a significant majority of all Americans initially supported the President’s policy toward Iraq. Some critics have suggested that prominent Jewish officials in the Bush Administration pushed for the war; however, only a handful of officials in the Administration were Jewish, and not one of the President’s top advisers at the time—the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Vice President, or National Security Adviser—was Jewish. These opponents of the war chose the age-old approach of blaming the Jews for a policy they disagreed with rather than addressing the substantive arguments in the debate. So as you can see Israel was not a beneficiary of these conflicts other than a dangerous regime to the state of Israel was removed. They played no part in the conflict. Anything else you would like to spread lies about, I mean discuss? Mrs x Well it's clear that the whole 30 year campaign , instead of having. Two state solution with Palestine and Israel living in peace , is STILL going for regime change with the u.s. STILL doing his bidding AND it's a disaster AND the little shit STILL at it AND the stupid politicians in the u.s. and UK are STILL dancing to his tune and STILL after the disaster of IRAQ are STILL swallowing the shite over Iran now. America doesn't want a war with Iran, Iran doesn't want a war with America yet mugs Muppets and morons still blindly buy netenyahus shite. I suppose you'd support a war with Iran next and the same disaster like Iraq! Btw he's building ILLEGAL settlements on the Golan heights now defying international law AGAIN.. wow what a suprise
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