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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? "he has to go in hospitality because his security team have to be seated around him hence hospitality not his normal two seats where he has his season ticket . | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews " 20 grand a year, is that excessive? | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive?" Better that than wallpaper gate  | |||
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" 20 grand a year, is that excessive?" It’s alot less than Sunak's wife took off the taxpayer in company furlough payments before bankrupting the company owing large amounts to HMRC. But it’s not a good look in the face of taking £200 of ten million pensioners. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive?" He deserves it, being the child of a toolmaker, his dad toiled for his right to be gifted, hold on! | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive?" Obviously not, but that's how journalists have to distort stories to make an impact. Same with the ASLEF (15%) and junior doctors (22%) pay rises. Presented as allegedly inflation busting, but when broken down over the entire pay periods, not so. And then the indignant posters get themselves all worked up over a distorted story, showing ignorance and the inability to think critically. The Murdoch family, for example, has made billions out of this type of journalism and the gullible fall for it everytime. | |||
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"With a majority of 400 in parliament. Give your head a good shake. Forget the crap you read in the right wing press." Majority of 400? Sky News is a newspaper? Nevertheless I'll take on board your suggestion. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Obviously not, but that's how journalists have to distort stories to make an impact. Same with the ASLEF (15%) and junior doctors (22%) pay rises. Presented as allegedly inflation busting, but when broken down over the entire pay periods, not so. And then the indignant posters get themselves all worked up over a distorted story, showing ignorance and the inability to think critically. The Murdoch family, for example, has made billions out of this type of journalism and the gullible fall for it everytime." The pay rises are above inflation, to say "not so" is as misleading as the headlines and media empire you have complained about. Starmer having the highest amount of gift declarations amongst all MP's is okay  and diluting the amount by averaging it out is just so tory. | |||
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"With a majority of 400 in parliament. Give your head a good shake. Forget the crap you read in the right wing press. Majority of 400? Sky News is a newspaper? Nevertheless I'll take on board your suggestion. "majority of 400? Do you use the same accountant as Sir Keith? Liebour have a majority of 174. That can soon change and was demonstrated by the Tories in the last parliament. Labour only had just over 30% of the vote share and are bombing in popularity at a time when most new governments can do no wrong… | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate "why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue. Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite. "Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite.
Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense."the wallpaper was paid for with a donation from a Tory Donor? How is that at the taxpayers’ expense and how is any different from Sir Keith getting his and his wife’s clothes paid for by a Labour Donor? Please take the blinkers off. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite.
Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense."Actually there's still controversy about who paid what for the 200+ grand flat refurbished. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-is-most-donated-to-mp-of-this-parliament-after-single-donation-of-1m-12784477 Keeping it real" Strange, no comments from the righteous righties. Maybe because it's only an extra zero  | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-is-most-donated-to-mp-of-this-parliament-after-single-donation-of-1m-12784477 Keeping it real Strange, no comments from the righteous righties. Maybe because it's only an extra zero "It's probably more likely there are no comments because it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Obviously not, but that's how journalists have to distort stories to make an impact. Same with the ASLEF (15%) and junior doctors (22%) pay rises. Presented as allegedly inflation busting, but when broken down over the entire pay periods, not so. And then the indignant posters get themselves all worked up over a distorted story, showing ignorance and the inability to think critically. The Murdoch family, for example, has made billions out of this type of journalism and the gullible fall for it everytime." . There is nothing distorted about the stories. Why should members of the public have to pay more taxes or higher fares in order to subsidise ASLEF members who are already overpaid . Doctors are more than adequately awarded during their lifetime. Any increase could have been funded by reducing their pension benefits which are exceptionally generous . It is insulting to describe those who make any objective analysis of the facts as gullible. People can post anything. that they like on here , out in the real world we have to deal with facts . The success of the Murdock empire speaks for itself. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite.
Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense.
Actually there's still controversy about who paid what for the 200+ grand flat refurbished."The Guardian Jan 2022 For a second time, Boris Johnson has been cleared of breaching the ministerial code over concerns about how he funded renovations to his Downing Street flat – though he faced opprobrium from his ethics adviser. The saga has lasted two years and spawned several investigations, most of which have now concluded. This ‘whataboutery’ is a massive deflection. I have no doubt that Johnson did some very dodgy stuff whilst PM. He paid the price for it. This now has nothing to do with him and everything to do with Sir Squeky clean Keith Stalin. The man who came in to ‘clean up politics’. Whatever your political persuasion is, it’s really not a good look. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews " His a tool , for a tool makers. I really can’t stand the man. He reminds me of a dirty old pedo that would hang around men’s toilets. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite.
Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense."The thing is, with all these cases, whatever political party, the money or goods or favour may not be coming from the tax payer, but the ‘payback’, and anyone thinking there won’t be is very naive, will be at the tax payers expense. Whether it’s a gong or contracts or, well, take your pick. The culture of this behaviour, by all politicians of all persuasions needs to be called out. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-is-most-donated-to-mp-of-this-parliament-after-single-donation-of-1m-12784477 Keeping it real Strange, no comments from the righteous righties. Maybe because it's only an extra zero
It's probably more likely there are no comments because it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery "Of course it is. You know one person gets 100 grand in gifts over five years and another gets a million in cash in one donation. So comparable (and disproves the headline, but hey what does that matter)  | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-is-most-donated-to-mp-of-this-parliament-after-single-donation-of-1m-12784477 Keeping it real Strange, no comments from the righteous righties. Maybe because it's only an extra zero
It's probably more likely there are no comments because it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery
Of course it is. You know one person gets 100 grand in gifts over five years and another gets a million in cash in one donation. So comparable (and disproves the headline, but hey what does that matter) "100k??? You should read you own links. Still, it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite.
Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense.
Actually there's still controversy about who paid what for the 200+ grand flat refurbished.
The Guardian Jan 2022
For a second time, Boris Johnson has been cleared of breaching the ministerial code over concerns about how he funded renovations to his Downing Street flat – though he faced opprobrium from his ethics adviser. The saga has lasted two years and spawned several investigations, most of which have now concluded.
This ‘whataboutery’ is a massive deflection. I have no doubt that Johnson did some very dodgy stuff whilst PM. He paid the price for it. This now has nothing to do with him and everything to do with Sir Squeky clean Keith Stalin. The man who came in to ‘clean up politics’.
Whatever your political persuasion is, it’s really not a good look."I'd rather MPs be condemned for what they claim as excessive expenses than the gifts they receive. In other words what we the tax payers fund. Bojo tried to claim for the refurb, but the annual allowance is 30 grand (which is far too high, it should be per term in office, ie every 4-5 years). I don't even care bojo got a million but one wonders if he had to do something for it. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-is-most-donated-to-mp-of-this-parliament-after-single-donation-of-1m-12784477 Keeping it real Strange, no comments from the righteous righties. Maybe because it's only an extra zero
It's probably more likely there are no comments because it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery
Of course it is. You know one person gets 100 grand in gifts over five years and another gets a million in cash in one donation. So comparable (and disproves the headline, but hey what does that matter)
100k???
You should read you own links.
Still, it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery."Try again sunshine. And what's with the swearing? It's not big nor clever
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"https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-is-most-donated-to-mp-of-this-parliament-after-single-donation-of-1m-12784477 Keeping it real" "Strange, no comments from the righteous righties. Maybe because it's only an extra zero" But it isn't an extra zero. That article (which was written 20 months ago) also states that SKS had received £740,309.51 in the same period. Mind you, the article also claims that someone gave Boris £1,000,000, but keeps referring to it as "six figures", so I'm not convinced that they can do their maths right. The article also makes it clear that these donations are not towards personal funds, so it's really not much of a comparison with the current story. | |||
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****Politics latest: Conflict of interest fears as Sir Keir Starmer accepts thousands in gifts
Sky News's Westminster Accounts project has revealed Sir Keir Starmer has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019, sparking some concern within his own government.****
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£107,145 in Gifts Precisely (or maybe not, co's he's yet to declare more )
Read the above PROPERLY!
1. It's not happening in the past, it's happening today, right now. And he's telling the country there is going to be painful cuts. But just like his Labour forebears it's a classic case of:
............... 'I'm All Right Jack!'
2. It's a sh*t argument to say 'well he did it Miss, so I'm going to too'.
3. He came to this as the 'Clean up Politics' Guy, remember?
4. If he wants to go watch football, he should pay for his own ticket - The Prime Ministerial Security Team go at the Tax Payers Expense anyway to any public event, so that's a crap argument in his defence.
What-about all you like, the truth of the day still remains the truth of the day.
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"https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-is-most-donated-to-mp-of-this-parliament-after-single-donation-of-1m-12784477 Keeping it real Strange, no comments from the righteous righties. Maybe because it's only an extra zero
It's probably more likely there are no comments because it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery
Of course it is. You know one person gets 100 grand in gifts over five years and another gets a million in cash in one donation. So comparable (and disproves the headline, but hey what does that matter)
100k???
You should read you own links.
Still, it's a really fucking poor attempt at whataboutery.
Try again sunshine. And what's with the swearing? It's not big nor clever
The 100 grand was not my link, the million was my link. What's that? Your mistake? You're sorry. That's OK "I specifically said read YOUR LINKS. Your own link says " The Labour leader had previously been the most donated to MP this parliament, with £740,000 in multiple donations, Sky News' Westminster Accounts tool showed." That's a little bit more than 100k. BTW, I'll swear if I choose | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Obviously not, but that's how journalists have to distort stories to make an impact. Same with the ASLEF (15%) and junior doctors (22%) pay rises. Presented as allegedly inflation busting, but when broken down over the entire pay periods, not so. And then the indignant posters get themselves all worked up over a distorted story, showing ignorance and the inability to think critically. The Murdoch family, for example, has made billions out of this type of journalism and the gullible fall for it everytime.. There is nothing distorted about the stories. Why should members of the public have to pay more taxes or higher fares in order to subsidise ASLEF members who are already overpaid . Doctors are more than adequately awarded during their lifetime. Any increase could have been funded by reducing their pension benefits which are exceptionally generous . It is insulting to describe those who make any objective analysis of the facts as gullible. People can post anything. that they like on here , out in the real world we have to deal with facts . The success of the Murdock empire speaks for itself. " 👋 Hi Pat 😌 | |||
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Fukking right lol "It’s a shit look so stop fucking swearing
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite.
Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense.
Actually there's still controversy about who paid what for the 200+ grand flat refurbished.
The Guardian Jan 2022
For a second time, Boris Johnson has been cleared of breaching the ministerial code over concerns about how he funded renovations to his Downing Street flat – though he faced opprobrium from his ethics adviser. The saga has lasted two years and spawned several investigations, most of which have now concluded.
This ‘whataboutery’ is a massive deflection. I have no doubt that Johnson did some very dodgy stuff whilst PM. He paid the price for it. This now has nothing to do with him and everything to do with Sir Squeky clean Keith Stalin. The man who came in to ‘clean up politics’.
Whatever your political persuasion is, it’s really not a good look.
I'd rather MPs be condemned for what they claim as excessive expenses than the gifts they receive. In other words what we the tax payers fund.
Bojo tried to claim for the refurb, but the annual allowance is 30 grand (which is far too high, it should be per term in office, ie every 4-5 years). I don't even care bojo got a million but one wonders if he had to do something for it.
"good for you! I’d rather we had some honest politicians and it appears that neither Johnson nor Starmer are honest! Alli has ‘gifted’ a huge amount of money to Starmer, clearly to gain influence. It is no different to that you claim Johnson was up to. The amount of money is irrelevant. It’s the principle. Anyway, what are you feelings on Starmer declaring (just before the election) an income of £400k yet only paying 90k in tax? 25% roughly. I thought “the ones with the broadest shoulders should bear the heaviest burden.” I’m guessing he doesn’t include himself in that…🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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Btw my bias is that I cannot stand the tories more than I like Labour. Most MPs are in it for themselves, whether it's for the fame/infamy, power, money, status...
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"You righteous righties do make me laugh. The only time the majority of you went quiet was as election day drew near. Slam any MP for whatever you want, in whatever party. They all should be transparent about gifts (material/financial) to themselves personally or to their status. They should be minimal in their expenses to do with their work (or perhaps have it capped - for example heating their MP home, they'd have to pay for heating anyway; and wtf is an MP home? If it's like no. 10 and not an excuse to have two homes, ie belongs to the constituency, fine. Personally they should stay in a Premier inn like Joe public ).
Btw my bias is that I cannot stand the tories more than I like Labour. Most MPs are in it for themselves, whether it's for the fame/infamy, power, money, status...
I just hope they are less corrupt, self-serving, anti-us-minions/great unwashed, than the last twats."Great Start, and just 11 weeks in . . . Again: For the What-About-ers: _____________________________________ ****Politics latest: Conflict of interest fears as Sir Keir Starmer accepts thousands in gifts Sky News's Westminster Accounts project has revealed Sir Keir Starmer has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019, sparking some concern within his own government.**** _____________________________________ £107,145 in Gifts Precisely (or maybe not, co's he's yet to declare more) Read the above PROPERLY! 1. It's not happening in the past, it's happening today, right now. And he's telling the country there is going to be painful cuts. But just like his Labour forebears it's a classic case of: ............... 'I'm All Right Jack!' 2. It's a sh*t argument to say 'well he did it Miss, so I'm going to too'. 3. He came to this as the 'Clean up Politics' Guy, remember? 4. If he wants to go watch football, he should pay for his own ticket - The Prime Ministerial Security Team go at the Tax Payers Expense anyway to any public event, so that's a crap argument in his defence. What-about all you like, the truth of the day still remains the truth of the day. | |||
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"Have posted my views in expenses and MP perks many times, the system needs to change so that the opportunities to use the system are gone to stop all this distracting noise. 1. An MP should live in their constituency. That should be their primary/family home (only exception being PM with No.10 and Chancellor with No.11). No expenses for maintaining their family home as would do anyway. 2. In Westminster the Govt should have several secure catered apartment blocks with an apartment assigned to each constituency. Costs to maintain/heat etc picked up by tax payer. No need or allowance for a second home or ability to flip homes. 3. MP and Minister salaries should be higher and come with a very high minimum threshold of govt/constituent business hours required to fulfil. Less time for second jobs or, preferably, no second jobs allowed (argument there might be maintaining professional qualifications etc for solicitors or doctors etc). 4. MPs should be required to have lived in their constituency for previous 3 years continuous. To stop big beasts being parachuted into safe seats. " .Why would an MP meed to live in the constituency.? Life has moved on and we can easily communicate with any MP in any location. Why should an MP not have a second home , the cost to the taxpayer is immaterial . Having second jobs keeps MPs in contact with the real world. Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are | |||
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"Have posted my views in expenses and MP perks many times, the system needs to change so that the opportunities to use the system are gone to stop all this distracting noise. 1. An MP should live in their constituency. That should be their primary/family home (only exception being PM with No.10 and Chancellor with No.11). No expenses for maintaining their family home as would do anyway. 2. In Westminster the Govt should have several secure catered apartment blocks with an apartment assigned to each constituency. Costs to maintain/heat etc picked up by tax payer. No need or allowance for a second home or ability to flip homes. 3. MP and Minister salaries should be higher and come with a very high minimum threshold of govt/constituent business hours required to fulfil. Less time for second jobs or, preferably, no second jobs allowed (argument there might be maintaining professional qualifications etc for solicitors or doctors etc). 4. MPs should be required to have lived in their constituency for previous 3 years continuous. To stop big beasts being parachuted into safe seats. .Why would an MP meed to live in the constituency.? Life has moved on and we can easily communicate with any MP in any location. Why should an MP not have a second home , the cost to the taxpayer is immaterial . Having second jobs keeps MPs in contact with the real world. Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are " 👋 hey Pat you’ve been missed ❤️ | |||
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" Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are " Hahaha that's funny - you meant it in jest, right? Sir 'Send me the GEAR Starmer' Is the Clean-up Guy right? He's certainly cleaning up as much gear as he can get. Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! | |||
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" Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! " Which the Tories will lose by an even larger margin if they elect Honest Bobby Jenrick as leader. That guy is so corrupt he makes Johnson look like an angel. | |||
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"You righteous righties do make me laugh. The only time the majority of you went quiet was as election day drew near. Slam any MP for whatever you want, in whatever party. They all should be transparent about gifts (material/financial) to themselves personally or to their status. They should be minimal in their expenses to do with their work (or perhaps have it capped - for example heating their MP home, they'd have to pay for heating anyway; and wtf is an MP home? If it's like no. 10 and not an excuse to have two homes, ie belongs to the constituency, fine. Personally they should stay in a Premier inn like Joe public ).
Btw my bias is that I cannot stand the tories more than I like Labour. Most MPs are in it for themselves, whether it's for the fame/infamy, power, money, status...
I just hope they are less corrupt, self-serving, anti-us-minions/great unwashed, than the last twats.
Great Start, and just 11 weeks in . . .
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****Politics latest: Conflict of interest fears as Sir Keir Starmer accepts thousands in gifts
Sky News's Westminster Accounts project has revealed Sir Keir Starmer has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019, sparking some concern within his own government.****
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£107,145 in Gifts Precisely (or maybe not, co's he's yet to declare more)
Read the above PROPERLY!
1. It's not happening in the past, it's happening today, right now. And he's telling the country there is going to be painful cuts. But just like his Labour forebears it's a classic case of:
............... 'I'm All Right Jack!'
2. It's a sh*t argument to say 'well he did it Miss, so I'm going to too'.
3. He came to this as the 'Clean up Politics' Guy, remember?
4. If he wants to go watch football, he should pay for his own ticket - The Prime Ministerial Security Team go at the Tax Payers Expense anyway to any public event, so that's a crap argument in his defence.
What-about all you like, the truth of the day still remains the truth of the day.
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"Have posted my views in expenses and MP perks many times, the system needs to change so that the opportunities to use the system are gone to stop all this distracting noise. 1. An MP should live in their constituency. That should be their primary/family home (only exception being PM with No.10 and Chancellor with No.11). No expenses for maintaining their family home as would do anyway. 2. In Westminster the Govt should have several secure catered apartment blocks with an apartment assigned to each constituency. Costs to maintain/heat etc picked up by tax payer. No need or allowance for a second home or ability to flip homes. 3. MP and Minister salaries should be higher and come with a very high minimum threshold of govt/constituent business hours required to fulfil. Less time for second jobs or, preferably, no second jobs allowed (argument there might be maintaining professional qualifications etc for solicitors or doctors etc). 4. MPs should be required to have lived in their constituency for previous 3 years continuous. To stop big beasts being parachuted into safe seats. " Ditto | |||
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"You righteous righties do make me laugh. The only time the majority of you went quiet was as election day drew near. Slam any MP for whatever you want, in whatever party. They all should be transparent about gifts (material/financial) to themselves personally or to their status. They should be minimal in their expenses to do with their work (or perhaps have it capped - for example heating their MP home, they'd have to pay for heating anyway; and wtf is an MP home? If it's like no. 10 and not an excuse to have two homes, ie belongs to the constituency, fine. Personally they should stay in a Premier inn like Joe public ).
Btw my bias is that I cannot stand the tories more than I like Labour. Most MPs are in it for themselves, whether it's for the fame/infamy, power, money, status...
I just hope they are less corrupt, self-serving, anti-us-minions/great unwashed, than the last twats.
Great Start, and just 11 weeks in . . .
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****Politics latest: Conflict of interest fears as Sir Keir Starmer accepts thousands in gifts
Sky News's Westminster Accounts project has revealed Sir Keir Starmer has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019, sparking some concern within his own government.****
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£107,145 in Gifts Precisely (or maybe not, co's he's yet to declare more)
Read the above PROPERLY!
1. It's not happening in the past, it's happening today, right now. And he's telling the country there is going to be painful cuts. But just like his Labour forebears it's a classic case of:
............... 'I'm All Right Jack!'
2. It's a sh*t argument to say 'well he did it Miss, so I'm going to too'.
3. He came to this as the 'Clean up Politics' Guy, remember?
4. If he wants to go watch football, he should pay for his own ticket - The Prime Ministerial Security Team go at the Tax Payers Expense anyway to any public event, so that's a crap argument in his defence.
What-about all you like, the truth of the day still remains the truth of the day.
Good strategy for dementia 😉"When you don't have an actual answer, answer with rubbish | |||
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"Have posted my views in expenses and MP perks many times, the system needs to change so that the opportunities to use the system are gone to stop all this distracting noise. 1. An MP should live in their constituency. That should be their primary/family home (only exception being PM with No.10 and Chancellor with No.11). No expenses for maintaining their family home as would do anyway. 2. In Westminster the Govt should have several secure catered apartment blocks with an apartment assigned to each constituency. Costs to maintain/heat etc picked up by tax payer. No need or allowance for a second home or ability to flip homes. 3. MP and Minister salaries should be higher and come with a very high minimum threshold of govt/constituent business hours required to fulfil. Less time for second jobs or, preferably, no second jobs allowed (argument there might be maintaining professional qualifications etc for solicitors or doctors etc). 4. MPs should be required to have lived in their constituency for previous 3 years continuous. To stop big beasts being parachuted into safe seats. .Why would an MP meed to live in the constituency.? Life has moved on and we can easily communicate with any MP in any location. Why should an MP not have a second home , the cost to the taxpayer is immaterial . Having second jobs keeps MPs in contact with the real world. Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are " An MP can have multiple homes. It's the expenses they claim that comes into question. An MP should do miminum auditable monthly hours for their salary. Subsequent employment should not be in conflict. | |||
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" Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are Hahaha that's funny - you meant it in jest, right? Sir 'Send me the GEAR Starmer' Is the Clean-up Guy right? He's certainly cleaning up as much gear as he can get. Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! " But the freebies are over 5 years... make your mind up. | |||
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" Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are Hahaha that's funny - you meant it in jest, right? Sir 'Send me the GEAR Starmer' Is the Clean-up Guy right? He's certainly cleaning up as much gear as he can get. Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! But the freebies are over 5 years... make your mind up." And he was caught about it, in just 11 weeks of being PM. Keep up. | |||
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"You righteous righties do make me laugh. The only time the majority of you went quiet was as election day drew near. Slam any MP for whatever you want, in whatever party. They all should be transparent about gifts (material/financial) to themselves personally or to their status. They should be minimal in their expenses to do with their work (or perhaps have it capped - for example heating their MP home, they'd have to pay for heating anyway; and wtf is an MP home? If it's like no. 10 and not an excuse to have two homes, ie belongs to the constituency, fine. Personally they should stay in a Premier inn like Joe public ).
Btw my bias is that I cannot stand the tories more than I like Labour. Most MPs are in it for themselves, whether it's for the fame/infamy, power, money, status...
I just hope they are less corrupt, self-serving, anti-us-minions/great unwashed, than the last twats.
Great Start, and just 11 weeks in . . .
Again:
For the What-About-ers:
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****Politics latest: Conflict of interest fears as Sir Keir Starmer accepts thousands in gifts
Sky News's Westminster Accounts project has revealed Sir Keir Starmer has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019, sparking some concern within his own government.****
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£107,145 in Gifts Precisely (or maybe not, co's he's yet to declare more)
Read the above PROPERLY!
1. It's not happening in the past, it's happening today, right now. And he's telling the country there is going to be painful cuts. But just like his Labour forebears it's a classic case of:
............... 'I'm All Right Jack!'
2. It's a sh*t argument to say 'well he did it Miss, so I'm going to too'.
3. He came to this as the 'Clean up Politics' Guy, remember?
4. If he wants to go watch football, he should pay for his own ticket - The Prime Ministerial Security Team go at the Tax Payers Expense anyway to any public event, so that's a crap argument in his defence.
What-about all you like, the truth of the day still remains the truth of the day.
Good strategy for dementia 😉
When you don't have an actual answer, answer with rubbish "Beats repeating repeating oneself | |||
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"You righteous righties do make me laugh. The only time the majority of you went quiet was as election day drew near. Slam any MP for whatever you want, in whatever party. They all should be transparent about gifts (material/financial) to themselves personally or to their status. They should be minimal in their expenses to do with their work (or perhaps have it capped - for example heating their MP home, they'd have to pay for heating anyway; and wtf is an MP home? If it's like no. 10 and not an excuse to have two homes, ie belongs to the constituency, fine. Personally they should stay in a Premier inn like Joe public ).
Btw my bias is that I cannot stand the tories more than I like Labour. Most MPs are in it for themselves, whether it's for the fame/infamy, power, money, status...
I just hope they are less corrupt, self-serving, anti-us-minions/great unwashed, than the last twats.
Great Start, and just 11 weeks in . . .
Again:
For the What-About-ers:
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****Politics latest: Conflict of interest fears as Sir Keir Starmer accepts thousands in gifts
Sky News's Westminster Accounts project has revealed Sir Keir Starmer has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019, sparking some concern within his own government.****
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£107,145 in Gifts Precisely (or maybe not, co's he's yet to declare more)
Read the above PROPERLY!
1. It's not happening in the past, it's happening today, right now. And he's telling the country there is going to be painful cuts. But just like his Labour forebears it's a classic case of:
............... 'I'm All Right Jack!'
2. It's a sh*t argument to say 'well he did it Miss, so I'm going to too'.
3. He came to this as the 'Clean up Politics' Guy, remember?
4. If he wants to go watch football, he should pay for his own ticket - The Prime Ministerial Security Team go at the Tax Payers Expense anyway to any public event, so that's a crap argument in his defence.
What-about all you like, the truth of the day still remains the truth of the day.
Good strategy for dementia 😉
When you don't have an actual answer, answer with rubbish
Beats repeating repeating oneself "Hmm there is no answer to this, as simply there is nothing to answer. | |||
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" Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are Hahaha that's funny - you meant it in jest, right? Sir 'Send me the GEAR Starmer' Is the Clean-up Guy right? He's certainly cleaning up as much gear as he can get. Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! But the freebies are over 5 years... make your mind up. And he was caught about it, in just 11 weeks of being PM. Keep up. "So it took him five years to amass those gifts but 11 weeks to reveal, hmmm doesn't add up. It'd be impressive if it was that amount in 11 weeks. | |||
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" Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are Hahaha that's funny - you meant it in jest, right? Sir 'Send me the GEAR Starmer' Is the Clean-up Guy right? He's certainly cleaning up as much gear as he can get. Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! But the freebies are over 5 years... make your mind up. And he was caught about it, in just 11 weeks of being PM. Keep up.
So it took him five years to amass those gifts but 11 weeks to reveal, hmmm doesn't add up.
It'd be impressive if it was that amount in 11 weeks. "Like I said: Keep up. Appraise yourself of up-to-date news. Then come back and comment from an informed standpoint. Then it would all make sense. | |||
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"And over those 5 years he has been preaching to the conservatives about ethics in politics - Hypocrisy in the Highest! "If he is following the code/guidance of declaration (within a set time if there is one, and there should be), and he's not decrying others and their declaration, then it's not hypocrisy. So rather than whine about it, state the actual hypocrisy. I think the hypocrisy is merely assumed due to your bias. Please, I invite you to prove me wrong. | |||
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"You righteous righties do make me laugh. The only time the majority of you went quiet was as election day drew near. Slam any MP for whatever you want, in whatever party. They all should be transparent about gifts (material/financial) to themselves personally or to their status. They should be minimal in their expenses to do with their work (or perhaps have it capped - for example heating their MP home, they'd have to pay for heating anyway; and wtf is an MP home? If it's like no. 10 and not an excuse to have two homes, ie belongs to the constituency, fine. Personally they should stay in a Premier inn like Joe public ).
Btw my bias is that I cannot stand the tories more than I like Labour. Most MPs are in it for themselves, whether it's for the fame/infamy, power, money, status...
I just hope they are less corrupt, self-serving, anti-us-minions/great unwashed, than the last twats.
Great Start, and just 11 weeks in . . .
Again:
For the What-About-ers:
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****Politics latest: Conflict of interest fears as Sir Keir Starmer accepts thousands in gifts
Sky News's Westminster Accounts project has revealed Sir Keir Starmer has been gifted more freebies and hospitality than any other MP since 2019, sparking some concern within his own government.****
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£107,145 in Gifts Precisely (or maybe not, co's he's yet to declare more)
Read the above PROPERLY!
1. It's not happening in the past, it's happening today, right now. And he's telling the country there is going to be painful cuts. But just like his Labour forebears it's a classic case of:
............... 'I'm All Right Jack!'
2. It's a sh*t argument to say 'well he did it Miss, so I'm going to too'.
3. He came to this as the 'Clean up Politics' Guy, remember?
4. If he wants to go watch football, he should pay for his own ticket - The Prime Ministerial Security Team go at the Tax Payers Expense anyway to any public event, so that's a crap argument in his defence.
What-about all you like, the truth of the day still remains the truth of the day.
Good strategy for dementia 😉
When you don't have an actual answer, answer with rubbish
Beats repeating repeating oneself
Hmm there is no answer to this, as simply there is nothing to answer."You could always repeat yourself. It is something you're fond of. | |||
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" Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are Hahaha that's funny - you meant it in jest, right? Sir 'Send me the GEAR Starmer' Is the Clean-up Guy right? He's certainly cleaning up as much gear as he can get. Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! But the freebies are over 5 years... make your mind up. And he was caught about it, in just 11 weeks of being PM. Keep up.
So it took him five years to amass those gifts but 11 weeks to reveal, hmmm doesn't add up.
It'd be impressive if it was that amount in 11 weeks.
Like I said: Keep up. Appraise yourself of up-to-date news. Then come back and comment from an informed standpoint. Then it would all make sense. "No ta. Like you I make assumptions until I want to "fact" check.  | |||
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"And over those 5 years he has been preaching to the conservatives about ethics in politics - Hypocrisy in the Highest!
If he is following the code/guidance of declaration (within a set time if there is one, and there should be), and he's not decrying others and their declaration, then it's not hypocrisy. So rather than whine about it, state the actual hypocrisy. I think the hypocrisy is merely assumed due to your bias. Please, I invite you to prove me wrong."You don't see the hypocrisy? Really? This is your standpoint? Hahahaha. | |||
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" Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are Hahaha that's funny - you meant it in jest, right? Sir 'Send me the GEAR Starmer' Is the Clean-up Guy right? He's certainly cleaning up as much gear as he can get. Caught out in less than 11 weeks - so let's see what FREEBIES he can accumulate till the next general election . . . and only 255 weeks, 6 days to go !!!! But the freebies are over 5 years... make your mind up. And he was caught about it, in just 11 weeks of being PM. Keep up.
So it took him five years to amass those gifts but 11 weeks to reveal, hmmm doesn't add up.
It'd be impressive if it was that amount in 11 weeks.
Like I said: Keep up. Appraise yourself of up-to-date news. Then come back and comment from an informed standpoint. Then it would all make sense.
No ta. Like you I make assumptions until I want to "fact" check. "All I have posted above is FACT | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? "fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker | |||
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"He’s on borrowed time as PM. He’ll be lucky to be in his job in 18 months. " unfortunately if that happens we are stuck with Vicki pollard | |||
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"As long as all the freebies are legal, fill your boots. The only real problem I have with thousands and thousands of pounds worth of freebies is I hardly get any. As long as he declares and its legal, good luck to him. I love freebies, can't get enough of them. "I don’t think anyone is suggesting that they are illegal. I think the problem people have is that the Tories were labelled with ‘cronyism’ jibes in the last parliament. You cannot sl@g someone off and then do exactly the same. There is no way on earth that Alli is gifting Stalin this kind of money for nothing. It’s quite clearly a case of ‘cronyism’. The hypocrisy is disgusting. Just because the Tories did it, doesn’t make it ok to copy! The morals of 99% of politicians is in the gutter. | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker"Precisely - lmao! | |||
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"Have posted my views in expenses and MP perks many times, the system needs to change so that the opportunities to use the system are gone to stop all this distracting noise. 1. An MP should live in their constituency. That should be their primary/family home (only exception being PM with No.10 and Chancellor with No.11). No expenses for maintaining their family home as would do anyway. 2. In Westminster the Govt should have several secure catered apartment blocks with an apartment assigned to each constituency. Costs to maintain/heat etc picked up by tax payer. No need or allowance for a second home or ability to flip homes. 3. MP and Minister salaries should be higher and come with a very high minimum threshold of govt/constituent business hours required to fulfil. Less time for second jobs or, preferably, no second jobs allowed (argument there might be maintaining professional qualifications etc for solicitors or doctors etc). 4. MPs should be required to have lived in their constituency for previous 3 years continuous. To stop big beasts being parachuted into safe seats. .Why would an MP meed to live in the constituency.? Life has moved on and we can easily communicate with any MP in any location. Why should an MP not have a second home , the cost to the taxpayer is immaterial . Having second jobs keeps MPs in contact with the real world. Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are An MP can have multiple homes. It's the expenses they claim that comes into question. An MP should do miminum auditable monthly hours for their salary. Subsequent employment should not be in conflict." I thought by now we all knew Pat? Must say I am pleasantly surprised that he has moved from a unquestioning partisan support of the Tories to a broader support of MPs. Refreshing 🎉 | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker"Is there a list for Arsenal 
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker
Is there a list for Arsenal
Thought they handed them out to passers by at the tube "Sir 'Gear' Starmer was on the tube? Who paid for his tickets? | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker
Is there a list for Arsenal
Thought they handed them out to passers by at the tube
Sir 'Gear' Starmer was on the tube? Who paid for his tickets?
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker
Is there a list for Arsenal
Thought they handed them out to passers by at the tube
Sir 'Gear' Starmer was on the tube? Who paid for his tickets?
Surely the real scandal is he was supporting Arsenal "Surely the scandal is that his Arse is being Supported. | |||
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"And over those 5 years he has been preaching to the conservatives about ethics in politics - Hypocrisy in the Highest!
If he is following the code/guidance of declaration (within a set time if there is one, and there should be), and he's not decrying others and their declaration, then it's not hypocrisy. So rather than whine about it, state the actual hypocrisy. I think the hypocrisy is merely assumed due to your bias. Please, I invite you to prove me wrong.
You don't see the hypocrisy? Really? This is your standpoint?
Hahahaha. "So you cannot. Fine by me. Don't play poker, you're crap at bluffing. | |||
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"And over those 5 years he has been preaching to the conservatives about ethics in politics - Hypocrisy in the Highest!
If he is following the code/guidance of declaration (within a set time if there is one, and there should be), and he's not decrying others and their declaration, then it's not hypocrisy. So rather than whine about it, state the actual hypocrisy. I think the hypocrisy is merely assumed due to your bias. Please, I invite you to prove me wrong.
You don't see the hypocrisy? Really? This is your standpoint?
Hahahaha.
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"As long as all the freebies are legal, fill your boots. The only real problem I have with thousands and thousands of pounds worth of freebies is I hardly get any. As long as he declares and its legal, good luck to him. I love freebies, can't get enough of them. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that they are illegal. I think the problem people have is that the Tories were labelled with ‘cronyism’ jibes in the last parliament. You cannot sl@g someone off and then do exactly the same.
There is no way on earth that Alli is gifting Stalin this kind of money for nothing. It’s quite clearly a case of ‘cronyism’. The hypocrisy is disgusting.
Just because the Tories did it, doesn’t make it ok to copy! The morals of 99% of politicians is in the gutter."Should we not wait for the cronyism to occur. When Alli is appointed to a government position that he is not qualified for, then have a go. Until then, it's hot air. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287 *********Exclusive Sir Keir Starmer declares gifts and freebies totalling more than £100,000 - the highest of any MP Sky News' Westminster Accounts project reveals the prime minister has declared more gifts and freebies than any other MP, with his total in gifts, benefits, and hospitality topping £100,000 since December 2019********** SkyNews 20 grand a year, is that excessive? Better that than wallpaper gate why is it better? Neither is good and the principle is the same. To try to say “oh well, they did it so why cannot we” is a pathetic attempt to deflect the issue.
Sir Keith came in saying he was going to clean up politics, he has been found out to be a total hypocrite.
Pathetic? Really? Try asking for my rationale! It's better because it's not at tax payers expense.
Actually there's still controversy about who paid what for the 200+ grand flat refurbished.
The Guardian Jan 2022
For a second time, Boris Johnson has been cleared of breaching the ministerial code over concerns about how he funded renovations to his Downing Street flat – though he faced opprobrium from his ethics adviser. The saga has lasted two years and spawned several investigations, most of which have now concluded.
This ‘whataboutery’ is a massive deflection. I have no doubt that Johnson did some very dodgy stuff whilst PM. He paid the price for it. This now has nothing to do with him and everything to do with Sir Squeky clean Keith Stalin. The man who came in to ‘clean up politics’.
Whatever your political persuasion is, it’s really not a good look.
I'd rather MPs be condemned for what they claim as excessive expenses than the gifts they receive. In other words what we the tax payers fund.
Bojo tried to claim for the refurb, but the annual allowance is 30 grand (which is far too high, it should be per term in office, ie every 4-5 years). I don't even care bojo got a million but one wonders if he had to do something for it.
"Your last sentence is the whole point, it’s what is expected of these politicians in return that is the problem. I would far rather there was system for funding legitimate needs and expenses of all politicians, rigorously policed and fully accountable, than leave it to a system of ‘who can bung the most cash and freebies’, that’s just a wide open door for corruptive practises to proliferate. | |||
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"Have posted my views in expenses and MP perks many times, the system needs to change so that the opportunities to use the system are gone to stop all this distracting noise. 1. An MP should live in their constituency. That should be their primary/family home (only exception being PM with No.10 and Chancellor with No.11). No expenses for maintaining their family home as would do anyway. 2. In Westminster the Govt should have several secure catered apartment blocks with an apartment assigned to each constituency. Costs to maintain/heat etc picked up by tax payer. No need or allowance for a second home or ability to flip homes. 3. MP and Minister salaries should be higher and come with a very high minimum threshold of govt/constituent business hours required to fulfil. Less time for second jobs or, preferably, no second jobs allowed (argument there might be maintaining professional qualifications etc for solicitors or doctors etc). 4. MPs should be required to have lived in their constituency for previous 3 years continuous. To stop big beasts being parachuted into safe seats. .Why would an MP meed to live in the constituency.? Life has moved on and we can easily communicate with any MP in any location. Why should an MP not have a second home , the cost to the taxpayer is immaterial . Having second jobs keeps MPs in contact with the real world. Probably the fact that they can do two jobs indicates how succcessfull , organised and efficient they are An MP can have multiple homes. It's the expenses they claim that comes into question. An MP should do miminum auditable monthly hours for their salary. Subsequent employment should not be in conflict. I thought by now we all knew Pat? Must say I am pleasantly surprised that he has moved from a unquestioning partisan support of the Tories to a broader support of MPs. Refreshing 🎉" I don't know all his user names | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker
Is there a list for Arsenal
Thought they handed them out to passers by at the tube "Ooooh freebies for the common man, don't forget to declare them (if they have any value ) | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker
Is there a list for Arsenal
Thought they handed them out to passers by at the tube
Sir 'Gear' Starmer was on the tube? Who paid for his tickets?
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"And over those 5 years he has been preaching to the conservatives about ethics in politics - Hypocrisy in the Highest!
If he is following the code/guidance of declaration (within a set time if there is one, and there should be), and he's not decrying others and their declaration, then it's not hypocrisy. So rather than whine about it, state the actual hypocrisy. I think the hypocrisy is merely assumed due to your bias. Please, I invite you to prove me wrong.
You don't see the hypocrisy? Really? This is your standpoint?
Hahahaha.
So you cannot. Fine by me. Don't play poker, you're crap at bluffing.
Like I said. No answer. "It's like trying to debate with my mother, she conflates, confabulation and gets confused. Tho to be fair to her, she actually has coherent periods. | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? fucker needs to join the list for a season ticket like everyone else has to the cheeky fucker
Is there a list for Arsenal
Thought they handed them out to passers by at the tube
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He was given the carriage. Thought you'd be apprised of that fact "Be apprised of a joke? | |||
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"And over those 5 years he has been preaching to the conservatives about ethics in politics - Hypocrisy in the Highest!
If he is following the code/guidance of declaration (within a set time if there is one, and there should be), and he's not decrying others and their declaration, then it's not hypocrisy. So rather than whine about it, state the actual hypocrisy. I think the hypocrisy is merely assumed due to your bias. Please, I invite you to prove me wrong.
You don't see the hypocrisy? Really? This is your standpoint?
Hahahaha.
So you cannot. Fine by me. Don't play poker, you're crap at bluffing.
Like I said. No answer.
It's like trying to debate with my mother, she conflates, confabulation and gets confused. Tho to be fair to her, she actually has coherent periods."Oh dear. | |||
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"The people with the broadest shoulders All those fancy clothes could be auctioned off and the proceeds used to heat pensioners homes this winter. " I was thinking about the those with the broadest shoulders. Victoria doesn't appear to have any dresses donated with puff sleeves or Coat dress Arms. So I'm guessing at least she is going for the small shoulders look? Hiding in plain sight? | |||
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EVEN you must be aware that a temp pass is not comparable appointing a position in govt."****** Starmer’s biggest personal donor had Downing Street pass, admits Pat McFadden Latest admission in Labour’s ***cronyism row**** reveals Lord Alli granted rare security privilege usually reserved for house staff and families ******  | |||
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Latest admission in Labour’s ***cronyism row**** reveals Lord Alli granted rare security privilege usually reserved for house staff and families ******
EVEN you must be aware that a temp pass is not comparable appointing a position in govt.
****** Starmer’s biggest personal donor had Downing Street pass, admits Pat McFadden
Latest admission in Labour’s ***cronyism row**** reveals Lord Alli granted rare security privilege usually reserved for house staff and families ******
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EVEN you must be aware that a temp pass is not comparable appointing a position in govt.
****** Starmer’s biggest personal donor had Downing Street pass, admits Pat McFadden
Latest admission in Labour’s ***cronyism row**** reveals Lord Alli granted rare security privilege usually reserved for house staff and families ******
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"As long as all the freebies are legal, fill your boots. The only real problem I have with thousands and thousands of pounds worth of freebies is I hardly get any. As long as he declares and its legal, good luck to him. I love freebies, can't get enough of them. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that they are illegal. I think the problem people have is that the Tories were labelled with ‘cronyism’ jibes in the last parliament. You cannot sl@g someone off and then do exactly the same.
There is no way on earth that Alli is gifting Stalin this kind of money for nothing. It’s quite clearly a case of ‘cronyism’. The hypocrisy is disgusting.
Just because the Tories did it, doesn’t make it ok to copy! The morals of 99% of politicians is in the gutter.""Cannot sl@g someone off and do the same". I do it on a daily basis and would guess most people do the same or at least wish they could do the same if they had the opportunity. How would you feel if your MP was caught spending time out of his working day on a swingers site. Not implying that any of you good people are at work when posting. I certainly only use authorised break times. | |||
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"********Sir Keir defended his right to continue to take football freebies earlier this week, saying: "If I don't accept a gift of hospitality, I can't go to a game." "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far," he added.********* What the actual flying fffffffff? he has to go in hospitality because his security team have to be seated around him hence hospitality not his normal two seats where he has his season ticket ."This… I am not going to defend everything on the list.. but so of the list is a bit petty For example… 4 days after becoming leader, he went to the euro 2020 final in Berlin between England and Spain Now I don’t care if it had been a Tory or labour prime minister… I would have expected him to be there representing the country! But the tickets, hospitality for being the leader.. and the travel there and back is all counted as “gifts” P.s that accounts for 5k on the list | |||
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" Latest: *********Deep frustration among Labour MPs Today, Mr Reynolds’ excuse was that the prime minister works incredibly hard and deserves a "wider life experience" rather than simply working every second of the day. But with allegations of a conflict of interest casting an ugly shadow over the PM's appetite for free tickets to football matches while his government is considering implementing a football regulator (something that No 10 categorically denies) - this story looks set to rumble on into Labour conference. Labour backbenchers tell me they are deeply frustrated with the way this story has been handled by Sir Keir's top team. One even accused Starmer of being an "ivory tower leader", explaining the rhetoric of tough decisions on the economy - such as cutting winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners - was jarring with the image of a PM enjoying over £100,000 worth of gifts since December 2019. 'Holier-than-thou' election strategy looking unwise During the election campaign, Sir Keir branded himself as a man of the people while attacking Rishi Sunak for being "out of touch" with ordinary people. Now he is beginning to learn that branding yourself as holier-than-thou may not have been the genius political strategy it appeared to be three months ago.***** SkyNews." That stance of being a man of the people sounds great during an election but makes any oversights (as they prefer to call them) look even worse when caught out. It's as though they think they are still in opposition and not getting the level of scrutiny the government get. They need to realise that they are in government now and must accept lots of scrutiny. Anyway, another fun fact from a guest on politics live this week: SKS has had more freebies, not just of any other Labour leader but of all Labour leaders combined going back to 1997. Not seen that elsewhere but given what has recently been discovered, it would not surprise me. | |||
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"This is a non story Not tax payers money Boris and his minions had fingers in pies all over the place , corruption was rife But he’s been given an Arsenal box!! Meh " . What a bizarre post. Out in the real world if there was any evidence of corruption an individual would face prosecution. Boris Johnson was so succesfull that out of desperation those who disliked him were out to find any minor fault. His track record is self explanatory. A successfull exit from the EU , many lives saved during Covid and businnesses also saved from financial ruin. The people of Ukraine love him for the support given during the conflict. A bit different to Kier Starmer who was too cowardly to negotiate with the unions. He has just surrendered to both junior doctors demands and those of the rail unions. Anyone working in the private sector will now be paying extra tax to fund these settlements. | |||
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"With a majority of 400 in parliament. Give your head a good shake. Forget the crap you read in the right wing press. Majority of 400? Sky News is a newspaper? Nevertheless I'll take on board your suggestion. majority of 400? Do you use the same accountant as Sir Keith? Liebour have a majority of 174. That can soon change and was demonstrated by the Tories in the last parliament. Labour only had just over 30% of the vote share and are bombing in popularity at a time when most new governments can do no wrong…"It’s Kieth | |||
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"This is a non story Not tax payers money Boris and his minions had fingers in pies all over the place , corruption was rife But he’s been given an Arsenal box!! Meh . What a bizarre post. Out in the real world if there was any evidence of corruption an individual would face prosecution. Boris Johnson was so succesfull that out of desperation those who disliked him were out to find any minor fault. His track record is self explanatory. A successfull exit from the EU , many lives saved during Covid and businnesses also saved from financial ruin. The people of Ukraine love him for the support given during the conflict. A bit different to Kier Starmer who was too cowardly to negotiate with the unions. He has just surrendered to both junior doctors demands and those of the rail unions. Anyone working in the private sector will now be paying extra tax to fund these settlements. " Pat gonna Pat but point of order… Public Sector workers are tax payers too. You know that right? The train drivers and Doctors are mostly in the 40% tax bracket, so a lot of what the Govt (taxpayers) pay out to them will end up coming back into the Treasury anyway! Okay back to normal service. You have been missed Pat | |||
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"Amazing how the labour or liberals who supported labour feel it's ok to justify SKS but when it's the Tories it's a no go. Why can't people just be honest and admit it's not acceptable whoever you are? In this case it's hypocritical champagne Communists but it's just as easy to see it the other way" The UK fashion industry is worth £62bn a year. I want our Prime Minister and his wife to look good and promote British success everywhere they go. The UK sports industry is worth £36bn a year. The PM is a football activist. That can only be good for the sport and the UK. Yes politicians need to decide whether gifts should be banned, and so far they haven't done so, but the big picture is the UK benefits when our politicians promote our successes. | |||
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"Amazing how the labour or liberals who supported labour feel it's ok to justify SKS but when it's the Tories it's a no go. Why can't people just be honest and admit it's not acceptable whoever you are? In this case it's hypocritical champagne Communists but it's just as easy to see it the other way The UK fashion industry is worth £62bn a year. I want our Prime Minister and his wife to look good and promote British success everywhere they go. The UK sports industry is worth £36bn a year. The PM is a football activist. That can only be good for the sport and the UK. Yes politicians need to decide whether gifts should be banned, and so far they haven't done so, but the big picture is the UK benefits when our politicians promote our successes." Promoting when they wear a labour tie, taking advantage and greed when they wear a Tory tie? | |||
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"Stop voting for them all of them no matter what party, just say I have had enough they have took the p1ss for to long and are not even serious in their lies anymore and make sure everyone knows including the press." It seems like a lot of Tory voters look your advice back in July. Good on you! | |||
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" Promoting when they wear a labour tie, taking advantage and greed when they wear a Tory tie? " No… which is why I specifically mentioned the Euro 2024 final as an example of this I don’t care if it had been starmer or Sunak at the final | |||
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"I don't think any politicion should take freebies from anyone, least of all a PM. However I do find it funny that the right who defended the Tories doing it are now complaining that Labour is doing it. "Yes, and the left who were previously condemning it, now playing it down and making silly excuses to justify it. Both are purile, and these are the muppets we have to choose between to run the country | |||
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"I don't think any politicion should take freebies from anyone, least of all a PM. However I do find it funny that the right who defended the Tories doing it are now complaining that Labour is doing it.
Yes, and the left who were previously condemning it, now playing it down and making silly excuses to justify it.
Both are purile, and these are the muppets we have to choose between to run the country "The bit that annoys me is the defenders saying " well the Tories did it" That isn't a good enough reason to defend it if you condemned the Tories when they were in power. It sounds like as long as it is declared it is fine to do it.....I think it should all be changed to that they are not allowed to accept donations at all. Donators will always want something in return at a future date so effectivley they are being bought. So what we should ALL be saying is, stop the donations altogether because I don't want the people representing us making decisions depending on what they get as a donation. | |||
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"I don't think any politicion should take freebies from anyone, least of all a PM. However I do find it funny that the right who defended the Tories doing it are now complaining that Labour is doing it.
Yes, and the left who were previously condemning it, now playing it down and making silly excuses to justify it.
Both are purile, and these are the muppets we have to choose between to run the country
The bit that annoys me is the defenders saying " well the Tories did it" That isn't a good enough reason to defend it if you condemned the Tories when they were in power.
It sounds like as long as it is declared it is fine to do it.....I think it should all be changed to that they are not allowed to accept donations at all. Donators will always want something in return at a future date so effectivley they are being bought.
So what we should ALL be saying is, stop the donations altogether because I don't want the people representing us making decisions depending on what they get as a donation."Yes. Perhaps cynicism is growing on me with old age but the saying ‘ there’s no such thing as a free dinner’ comes to mind | |||
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"A point of interest, on QT last night it was pointed out that govt ministers do not declare freebies if it is aligned to their posts. So declarations made per term in office, it transpires the shadow ministers will have more freebies as they do have to declare those that align with their post." Just thought I'd follow the example of another poster | |||
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"It's wrong that PMs take and declare freebies regardless of who it is. I was complaining about it when Boris Johnson was doing it so will complain when Keir Starmer is doing it " | |||
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