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"Found the politics forum ! Welcome  "or was this moved ? Hmm. | |||
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"... very few people realise that you direct debit is paid in advance for next year..." Where do you get that idea? I've just had 6 months with no payments (for complicated reasons), and the new payment plan won't see me catch up to what I owe until February next year. All your idea will do is get you a court order for the full amount in advance "Try not to work too hard, if you're agency worker, work a few weeks then stop and get your tax back, simply make his life a misery." Great idea, make Kier Starmer's job very slightly more difficult by making your own life miserable. Top plan. | |||
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"Obvious he is the next PM, but how do e stop him on his proven WOKe and MAP (Morris attracted pervert) agenda. We start by cancelling direct debit for council tax, very few people realise that you direct debit is paid in advance for next year, yet they've blown that, so cancelling will castrate the local council. Try not to work too hard, if you're agency worker, work a few weeks then stop and get your tax back, simply make his life a misery." The absolute state of this country's education system. | |||
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"Obvious he is the next PM, but how do e stop him on his proven WOKe and MAP (Morris attracted pervert) agenda. We start by cancelling direct debit for council tax, very few people realise that you direct debit is paid in advance for next year, yet they've blown that, so cancelling will castrate the local council. Try not to work too hard, if you're agency worker, work a few weeks then stop and get your tax back, simply make his life a misery." What a dick! | |||
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"Obvious he is the next PM, but how do e stop him on his proven WOKe and MAP (Morris attracted pervert) agenda. We start by cancelling direct debit for council tax, very few people realise that you direct debit is paid in advance for next year, yet they've blown that, so cancelling will castrate the local council. Try not to work too hard, if you're agency worker, work a few weeks then stop and get your tax back, simply make his life a misery. The absolute state of this country's education system. " I agree it's in a state, but can't blame his education on the current government  | |||
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"Obvious he is the next PM, but how do e stop him on his proven WOKe and MAP (Morris attracted pervert) agenda. We start by cancelling direct debit for council tax, very few people realise that you direct debit is paid in advance for next year, yet they've blown that, so cancelling will castrate the local council. Try not to work too hard, if you're agency worker, work a few weeks then stop and get your tax back, simply make his life a misery. The absolute state of this country's education system. I agree it's in a state, but can't blame his education on the current government "Ha no. It was just a general observation. | |||
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"Is there something about middle age men and conspiracy theories? " I thought he was 20 something and then checked his profile after your comment. Am lost for words. | |||
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"Is there something about middle age men and conspiracy theories? " I can only speak for myself but most of them are hilarious, some are worrying and some are a sign perhaps that the person spouting them has been manipulated by others as we saw during the pandemic.. It serves some, grifters and foreign states to promote them to spread division and in some cases disrupt others who are trying to help the public.. Which isn't at all funny.. | |||
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"I have no idea what's going on here?" I'm only guessing but an unfounded allegation is being made, which is a big problem in itself. An apparent solution is to not pay council tax, irrespective of where you live and your legal liability  | |||
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"Obvious he is the next PM, but how do e stop him on his proven WOKe and MAP (Morris attracted pervert) agenda. We start by cancelling direct debit for council tax, very few people realise that you direct debit is paid in advance for next year, yet they've blown that, so cancelling will castrate the local council. Try not to work too hard, if you're agency worker, work a few weeks then stop and get your tax back, simply make his life a misery." That first bit is actually a boris Johnson bit that isn’t true… and the only reason why he hasn’t said it outside of parliament is that it’s covered under privilege and can’t be used for slander You actually can!! When asked to repeat it outside of parliament Johnson wouldn’t!!! So be very careful!!! | |||
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"I have no idea what's going on here?" Bog standard Fab Politics forum caper. | |||
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"I think it’s an end of weekend competition as to who can spout the most incoherent gibberish, with some casual ageism from the “Be Kind” brigade thrown in." It's not a competition, you won  | |||
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"Obvious he is the next PM, but how do e stop him on his proven WOKe and MAP (Morris attracted pervert) agenda. We start by cancelling direct debit for council tax, very few people realise that you direct debit is paid in advance for next year, yet they've blown that, so cancelling will castrate the local council. Try not to work too hard, if you're agency worker, work a few weeks then stop and get your tax back, simply make his life a misery." Gangman666 was Saville’s name on the street, wasn’t it? | |||
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"When asked to repeat it outside of parliament Johnson wouldn’t!!!" That's not true. Here's a video of him 'explaining' his comment. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2022/feb/03/boris-johnson-concedes-starmer-jimmy-savile-prosecution-decisions-video | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them." You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare." The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare." Agreed that the figure is 51%. But I also didn’t claim anyway that the majority of the population is on benefits, I said they were sheep. Some people are just sloppy readers and don’t take the time to properly comprehend the meaning of words. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. Agreed that the figure is 51%. But I also didn’t claim anyway that the majority of the population is on benefits, I said they were sheep. Some people are just sloppy readers and don’t take the time to properly comprehend the meaning of words." Read your paragraph again! Some people are sloppy writers. The pronoun "they" can only relate to the entire sheep sentence. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions." Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! | |||
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"BINGO!!!!! 1. Lefties = check 2. Woke = check 3. Labour tropes = check 4. Support for Russia/Putin = check 5. Covid conspiracy = check 6. Vaccine conspiracy = check 7. NetZero conspiracy = check 8. Support for Reform = check 9. Nazis were Socialists = check 10. Sheep = check It is official. The venn diagram is now a circle." Quick scan of the different forum threads and yep there’s more… 11. Blob 12. Anti-EU  | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers!" I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. " Personally I will be fine, though I suspect your point was broadly aimed at the stalls (not really the gallery). Why would you: A) Phase out the state pension? What about people working today funding the state pensions of today? Do they not deserve workers of tomorrow funding their state pension when it comes to their retirement? B) Public sector workers pay into their employers pension scheme (which happens to be a public sector organisation of one shape or another). So while they tend to be on better terms than most (not all) private sector pensions, why is that any different to any other workplace pension? You seem very keen to take stuff away from people! | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. Personally I will be fine, though I suspect your point was broadly aimed at the stalls (not really the gallery). Why would you: A) Phase out the state pension? What about people working today funding the state pensions of today? Do they not deserve workers of tomorrow funding their state pension when it comes to their retirement? B) Public sector workers pay into their employers pension scheme (which happens to be a public sector organisation of one shape or another). So while they tend to be on better terms than most (not all) private sector pensions, why is that any different to any other workplace pension? You seem very keen to take stuff away from people! " These things are inevitable. What you or I think about them is irrelevant. You seem very concerned about things that I say. Even to the point of making lists of them. I hope you aren’t becoming obsessed. Maybe take a break and spend some time doing something more constructive. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. Personally I will be fine, though I suspect your point was broadly aimed at the stalls (not really the gallery). Why would you: A) Phase out the state pension? What about people working today funding the state pensions of today? Do they not deserve workers of tomorrow funding their state pension when it comes to their retirement? B) Public sector workers pay into their employers pension scheme (which happens to be a public sector organisation of one shape or another). So while they tend to be on better terms than most (not all) private sector pensions, why is that any different to any other workplace pension? You seem very keen to take stuff away from people! These things are inevitable. What you or I think about them is irrelevant. You seem very concerned about things that I say. Even to the point of making lists of them. I hope you aren’t becoming obsessed. Maybe take a break and spend some time doing something more constructive." Don’t worry it really didn’t take long and it is such good material it just lends itself so easily to making a quick comment. I note you gave a non-answer re pensions. Feels like you don’t actually know why you say things. Is it that because you are just angry and want to blame certain sectors of society for what you perceive is wrong with the world? That is very fertile ground for others to exploit | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. " He has made provision | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. " I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government." Ah so you are a red pill guy not a blue pill guy! Thought so | |||
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"BINGO!!!!! 1. Lefties = check 2. Woke = check 3. Labour tropes = check 4. Support for Russia/Putin = check 5. Covid conspiracy = check 6. Vaccine conspiracy = check 7. NetZero conspiracy = check 8. Support for Reform = check 9. Nazis were Socialists = check 10. Sheep = check It is official. The venn diagram is now a circle. Quick scan of the different forum threads and yep there’s more… 11. Blob 12. Anti-EU "There’s more… 13. Brainwashed 14. Anti-NHS 15. Anti-strike 16. Universities are leftist propaganda hives Venn diagram - Circle - Concentric circles (as you go down the rabbit hole enjoying your red pill) | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. " Sounds a pretty bat shit idea but good luck with getting your message across.. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government." Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. Sounds a pretty bat shit idea but good luck with getting your message across.. "It’s not a “message”. It’s demographic and statistical inevitability. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. Sounds a pretty bat shit idea but good luck with getting your message across..
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It’s demographic and statistical inevitability.
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. Sounds a pretty bat shit idea but good luck with getting your message across..
It’s not a “message”.
It’s demographic and statistical inevitability.
"I’d say that could indeed be true but in the next decade or a phased introduction? In other words, I can’t see you being impacted but could see your kids. Also, any UK govt brave enough to stop the state pension will certainly not take a cliff edge approach. The only fair way to do it would be a gradual phase out so those currently working and funding pensioners today, still receive something when they retire. So if the “pot” paying the state pension is not being topped up by the contemporary workers, the only way to fund those pensions (of today’s workers) is via Govt borrowing. Ouch! | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else?" I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. " That's fine, I wasn't commenting on that point.. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. " Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society." No because Jack is alright and now wants to pull the ladder back up! | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society." You appreciate I’m sure that societies do actually “go backwards”. Why do you assume that because an empire, country, or society has a particular degree of “wealth” today that it will maintain that into the future? History would tell us something very different. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society. You appreciate I’m sure that societies do actually “go backwards”. Why do you assume that because an empire, country, or society has a particular degree of “wealth” today that it will maintain that into the future? History would tell us something very different." I haven't assumed anything! Just commented that your desire to leave many people pensionless after retirement could be considered a step backwards. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society. You appreciate I’m sure that societies do actually “go backwards”. Why do you assume that because an empire, country, or society has a particular degree of “wealth” today that it will maintain that into the future? History would tell us something very different." You’re correct. History is littered with societies that gained dominance then faded. It is an inevitable cycle. Often you can pinpoint one or two fateful decisions or actions that sparked or accelerated that demise. Hmmm wonder what those might be in the case of the UK? | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society. You appreciate I’m sure that societies do actually “go backwards”. Why do you assume that because an empire, country, or society has a particular degree of “wealth” today that it will maintain that into the future? History would tell us something very different. I haven't assumed anything! Just commented that your desire to leave many people pensionless after retirement could be considered a step backwards. " Not exactly a vote winner.. | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society. You appreciate I’m sure that societies do actually “go backwards”. Why do you assume that because an empire, country, or society has a particular degree of “wealth” today that it will maintain that into the future? History would tell us something very different. You’re correct. History is littered with societies that gained dominance then faded. It is an inevitable cycle. Often you can pinpoint one or two fateful decisions or actions that sparked or accelerated that demise. Hmmm wonder what those might be in the case of the UK?" Europe as a whole (I include the UK in that for this purpose) has been in decline for some time, and the longer term prognosis won’t change, in the main because we are wedded to welfare, spending, and anti business policies that won’t alter the outcome. Once people get used to a certain degree of state provided “comfort” they are of course unwilling to vote for anything else. Europe’s economic performance compared to the rest of the world continues to be dire. But its leaders and population have no short term incentive to do anything about it or even to correctly diagnose the problem. Just keep printing and borrowing, handing out the state benefits etc etc., what’s not to like! And a degree of it arises from a mix of ongoing imperialist attitudes combined with a parochial media landscape, that sees the world as consisting in our case of the UK, the US (Democrat viewpoint only), and the EU (in fact just EU Commission press releases). So the average citizen has absolutely no idea what is going on outside of Europe, and still assumes that it is all a backward shithole and we in the West are very rich. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. " You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! | |||
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"These things are not Irrelevant, and what you / I think is important. I really hope that you don't fall on hard times and need to rely on the state pension. I have always assumed that there would be no state pension by the time I retire. Any sensible person would do likewise, particularly with an incoming Labour government. Your assumption is wrong, your 56 not 16.. Pretty sure such ideas are more on the right than anywhere else? I'm not reading the reply as he is assuming now, he assumed it would stop during his lifetime so has worked to that assumption, and has his finances in place to mitigate that eventuality. Also "I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out." Some might suggest that this would be a backwards step for society. You appreciate I’m sure that societies do actually “go backwards”. Why do you assume that because an empire, country, or society has a particular degree of “wealth” today that it will maintain that into the future? History would tell us something very different. You’re correct. History is littered with societies that gained dominance then faded. It is an inevitable cycle. Often you can pinpoint one or two fateful decisions or actions that sparked or accelerated that demise. Hmmm wonder what those might be in the case of the UK? Europe as a whole (I include the UK in that for this purpose) has been in decline for some time, and the longer term prognosis won’t change, in the main because we are wedded to welfare, spending, and anti business policies that won’t alter the outcome. Once people get used to a certain degree of state provided “comfort” they are of course unwilling to vote for anything else. Europe’s economic performance compared to the rest of the world continues to be dire. But its leaders and population have no short term incentive to do anything about it or even to correctly diagnose the problem. Just keep printing and borrowing, handing out the state benefits etc etc., what’s not to like! And a degree of it arises from a mix of ongoing imperialist attitudes combined with a parochial media landscape, that sees the world as consisting in our case of the UK, the US (Democrat viewpoint only), and the EU (in fact just EU Commission press releases). So the average citizen has absolutely no idea what is going on outside of Europe, and still assumes that it is all a backward shithole and we in the West are very rich." And the timescales for this demise reaching its ultimate conclusion? Do you really see it affecting you or your kid’s lives? Of course there are economies outside of “the west” that are booming. For example, India, China, Brazil. What do they have in common? Huge populations. Huge disparity in wealth. Easy to exploit workers. Natural resources. What do you think the UK can realistically do to compete and maintain our position? Your solution seems to be a libertarian wet dream of complete deregulation, removal of worker protections, destruction of the welfare state. Basically a reversal of a century or more of progress to put us on a par with countries who are still operating in an industrial revolution style environment. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! " I’m not sure. It’s been a couple of decades since I did all my pensions qualifications so I may be out of touch. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! I’m not sure. It’s been a couple of decades since I did all my pensions qualifications so I may be out of touch. " Yep
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! I’m not sure. It’s been a couple of decades since I did all my pensions qualifications so I may be out of touch. Yep
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! I’m not sure. It’s been a couple of decades since I did all my pensions qualifications so I may be out of touch. Yep
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! I’m not sure. It’s been a couple of decades since I did all my pensions qualifications so I may be out of touch. Yep
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Are you keeping your listing of my comments up to date?
Yeah it makes for fascinating reading.
So if your pension knowledge is a couple of decades out of date, you clearly aren’t a pensions advisor. I’d say something in finance. An accountant? Part of a company finance team?"Just remember that I will expect to be paid Royalties (to be agreed) when you try to publish a book of my various pearls of wisdom. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! " And state pension is earned, with pension credit (welfare) if you don't have enough state pension. | |||
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! I’m not sure. It’s been a couple of decades since I did all my pensions qualifications so I may be out of touch. Yep
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Are you keeping your listing of my comments up to date?
Yeah it makes for fascinating reading.
So if your pension knowledge is a couple of decades out of date, you clearly aren’t a pensions advisor. I’d say something in finance. An accountant? Part of a company finance team?
Just remember that I will expect to be paid Royalties (to be agreed) when you try to publish a book of my various pearls of wisdom."Wisdom 
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"Noble thoughts. But it’s not going to happen. The majority of the British public are just sheep. As long as the benefits keep flowing they are happy to do whatever the State tells them. You have weird views. I'm sure if someone could be arsed, theyd find figures to disprove your implication that the majority of adults are on some sort of welfare. The headline figure is 51% of families receiving some form of state benefit - so the claim is correct (just). Presumably this is all classes of benefits including things like child allowance and pensions. Glad to see state pension included as a benefit. That one gets overlooked too often and is, I think, the single biggest state benefit by cost in the UK. Bloody scroungers! I’m all in favour of the state and public sector pensions being phased out. I hope you are making adequate provision for yourself. You don’t just “get” a public sector pension.. you pay into it, just like you probably pay into your private pension! Jeez!! I’m not sure. It’s been a couple of decades since I did all my pensions qualifications so I may be out of touch. Yep
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Are you keeping your listing of my comments up to date?
Yeah it makes for fascinating reading.
So if your pension knowledge is a couple of decades out of date, you clearly aren’t a pensions advisor. I’d say something in finance. An accountant? Part of a company finance team?
Just remember that I will expect to be paid Royalties (to be agreed) when you try to publish a book of my various pearls of wisdom."Leaflet at best my friend | |||
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