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"That makes it ok, right?!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/23/james-cleverly-apologises-for-appalling-date-drug-joke-at-no-10-event"Nothing these excuses for humanity say is alright. | |||
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"The man's a walking fucking antonym." Isn't he just!  | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x"He's Home Secretary even at private receptions he needs to be aware of what's appropriate | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x"It was at a No.10 reception, hardly the pub. It's not something I believe Government ministers should be joking about on company time. We don't know what his true beliefs are, he does himself zero favours by making such "jokes". | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x
It was at a No.10 reception, hardly the pub. It's not something I believe Government ministers should be joking about on company time. We don't know what his true beliefs are, he does himself zero favours by making such "jokes". "I do see your point, and i suppose we should hold our leaders to a higher standard than me being a numpty down the pub. I just think it should be taken in the manner he meant - as a joke. Funny or not, I'd have chuckled if my mate had said it x | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x
He's Home Secretary even at private receptions he needs to be aware of what's appropriate "I know, this is true. As I said in my reply to KC. But I'm also a civil servant and regularly make pretty inappropriate "jokes" in the office, as most of my colleagues do. We giggle 'cos its gets us through the day. But, by god, if someone captured me on camera, I'd probably be pilloried too x | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x
He's Home Secretary even at private receptions he needs to be aware of what's appropriate
I know, this is true. As I said in my reply to KC.
But I'm also a civil servant and regularly make pretty inappropriate "jokes" in the office, as most of my colleagues do. We giggle 'cos its gets us through the day. But, by god, if someone captured me on camera, I'd probably be pilloried too x"I think many of us use dark humour to get through life. I know I do. However the person who has oversight of law enforcement in this country needs to know when to keep his 'irony' to himself in my opinion. | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x
It was at a No.10 reception, hardly the pub. It's not something I believe Government ministers should be joking about on company time. We don't know what his true beliefs are, he does himself zero favours by making such "jokes".
I do see your point, and i suppose we should hold our leaders to a higher standard than me being a numpty down the pub.
I just think it should be taken in the manner he meant - as a joke. Funny or not, I'd have chuckled if my mate had said it x"Jokes (black or otherwise) can be pitched (in) appropriately to our friends or even work colleagues. But this was neither a case of friends or work colleagues. It was some kind of professional event that included journalists. It's astonishing that he has such a lack of awareness to make so-called jokes in such company. | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x
It was at a No.10 reception, hardly the pub. It's not something I believe Government ministers should be joking about on company time. We don't know what his true beliefs are, he does himself zero favours by making such "jokes".
I do see your point, and i suppose we should hold our leaders to a higher standard than me being a numpty down the pub.
I just think it should be taken in the manner he meant - as a joke. Funny or not, I'd have chuckled if my mate had said it x
Jokes (black or otherwise) can be pitched (in) appropriately to our friends or even work colleagues. But this was neither a case of friends or work colleagues. It was some kind of professional event that included journalists. It's astonishing that he has such a lack of awareness to make so-called jokes in such company. "Are you genuinely surprised though?... Politics are genuinely an old boys club, and they spout all kinds of crap on a daily basis and get away with it | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x
It was at a No.10 reception, hardly the pub. It's not something I believe Government ministers should be joking about on company time. We don't know what his true beliefs are, he does himself zero favours by making such "jokes".
I do see your point, and i suppose we should hold our leaders to a higher standard than me being a numpty down the pub.
I just think it should be taken in the manner he meant - as a joke. Funny or not, I'd have chuckled if my mate had said it x
Jokes (black or otherwise) can be pitched (in) appropriately to our friends or even work colleagues. But this was neither a case of friends or work colleagues. It was some kind of professional event that included journalists. It's astonishing that he has such a lack of awareness to make so-called jokes in such company.
Are you genuinely surprised though?... Politics are genuinely an old boys club, and they spout all kinds of crap on a daily basis and get away with it "Surprised? Sadly not. It's still not okay (in my book). I really wish we could scrap all politics and start again, with a totally different way of doing things. | |||
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"Hey KC. It was at a private reception, wasnt it? Im sure he doesn't really share that view (i hope so, anyway!) I've said far worse things in the pub x
He's Home Secretary even at private receptions he needs to be aware of what's appropriate
I know, this is true. As I said in my reply to KC.
But I'm also a civil servant and regularly make pretty inappropriate "jokes" in the office, as most of my colleagues do. We giggle 'cos its gets us through the day. But, by god, if someone captured me on camera, I'd probably be pilloried too x
I think many of us use dark humour to get through life. I know I do. However the person who has oversight of law enforcement in this country needs to know when to keep his 'irony' to himself in my opinion. "Know your audience. Jimmy car just did a full act , (and probably shouldn’t ever do it again ) haha. I laughed at it all, and can and do throw the odd joke around that I would say In the wrong place. Op. It is just a joke, and he’s paying the price for where and when he said it. I agree, he should know better.  | |||
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"John Crace in the Guardian refers to him as Jimmy Dimly. "John Crace is my favourite Guardian writer. He makes PMQs sound hilarious | |||
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"That makes it ok, right?!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/23/james-cleverly-apologises-for-appalling-date-drug-joke-at-no-10-event"What a fucking obnoxious cunt...and insulting to genuine victims of spiking.... | |||
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"If a comedian said it in front of a few thousand people it would be acceptable. " Not in my book... jokes about r*ping people are not in the least bit funny | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore  "(real ones know I’m joking) | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore "R*pe jokes aren't funny end of..... | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore "Its political correctness gone mad | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad "It's called not mocking things people have experienced... | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced..."My comment about political was a joke  it’s was satire. | |||
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"he's a tory, what do you expect? bunch of fascists "Tori is a fucking fascist! I think she has earned the right to it, though, being Aaron Spelling’s least favourite child.  | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
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It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire. "Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended.... | |||
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"Would you be so horribly offended if Jimmy Carr had said it " I think it’s an offensive joke regardless of who says it? | |||
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"Would you be so horribly offended if Jimmy Carr had said it " Yes I really fucking would have | |||
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"Would you be so horribly offended if Jimmy Carr had said it " Bill Cosby said it and it wasn't funny even then | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
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It's called not mocking things people have experienced..."I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times. | |||
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"So before this thread gets moved to Politics ... who would you shag. Cleverly Sunak. "Neither I'd rather staple my fanny shut than fuck.either of those cockwombles... | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended.... "That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too " I would laugh if Jimmy Carr had piles  | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too " Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go" Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
It wasn’t badly timed it was just bad. "Everyone’s a critic. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience." I’m YOUR audience - please do more  | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
"I hear this. But I think it’s like for me, I laugh at dark racist jokes, when they’re made by Black People. But also I accept and acknowledge that those jokes are generally offensive and will offend people. I think belonging to the group that’s impacted does help the joke land though. There’s a weird power thing here that I think makes this particular type of joke from the OP, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
It wasn’t badly timed it was just bad.
Everyone’s a critic. "I'd give you fresh of rotten tomatoes, woody! Although it's a corrupt system I'd still do it! | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped...."Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke? | |||
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"If a comedian said it in front of a few thousand people it would be acceptable. " And if a boxer punches someone in the face in front of a few thousand people, it’s acceptable. People have different jobs and are rightly held to standards that reflect those jobs. It’s a comedian’s job to tell jokes, I wouldn’t find a joke about r*pe funny but I accept that there is a market out there for comedians who make r*pe jokes. The Home Secretary is an entirely different matter. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
I hear this. But I think it’s like for me, I laugh at dark racist jokes, when they’re made by Black People. But also I accept and acknowledge that those jokes are generally offensive and will offend people. I think belonging to the group that’s impacted does help the joke land though. There’s a weird power thing here that I think makes this particular type of joke from the OP, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man"So if a woman said it you’d have accepted it | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience. I’m YOUR audience - please do more "My humour is seriously toned down on here. I’m not really offensive but I do have quite a dark sense of humour. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke? "It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
"What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap too | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
I hear this. But I think it’s like for me, I laugh at dark racist jokes, when they’re made by Black People. But also I accept and acknowledge that those jokes are generally offensive and will offend people. I think belonging to the group that’s impacted does help the joke land though. There’s a weird power thing here that I think makes this particular type of joke from the OP, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man
So if a woman said it you’d have accepted it "I have a copy of Blanche Knott’s Truly Tasteless Jokes in the vault. And she was absolutely a real woman | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience." But he isn't a comedian telling jokes to an audience, he's a Government minister who should hold himself to a higher standard than that being in a position of responsibility | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
I hear this. But I think it’s like for me, I laugh at dark racist jokes, when they’re made by Black People. But also I accept and acknowledge that those jokes are generally offensive and will offend people. I think belonging to the group that’s impacted does help the joke land though. There’s a weird power thing here that I think makes this particular type of joke from the OP, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man
So if a woman said it you’d have accepted it "Erm where did I say that, Woody? I said it’s not a funny joke quite clearly. Yes I think there are power and real life context considerations that make this specific example unfunny. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
I hear this. But I think it’s like for me, I laugh at dark racist jokes, when they’re made by Black People. But also I accept and acknowledge that those jokes are generally offensive and will offend people. I think belonging to the group that’s impacted does help the joke land though. There’s a weird power thing here that I think makes this particular type of joke from the OP, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man"Again for me it’s about knowing your audience. My white friends can make race jokes and I find it funny but they wouldn’t dream of saying it to other people. | |||
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"Its just bantz mate. Fucking leftie liberal snowflakes. Can’t even make a joke anymore….. Ps I was also just joking when I said constituency is a shithole mate "Good thing you’re on hand to stop those woke lefty millennial and gen z snowflakes  | |||
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"”””””””, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man”””””” So if a woman said it you’d have accepted it
Erm where did I say that, Woody? I said it’s not a funny joke quite clearly. Yes I think there are power and real life context considerations that make this specific example unfunny. "I’ve highlighted the bit I misunderstood | |||
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"Its just bantz mate. Fucking leftie liberal snowflakes. Can’t even make a joke anymore….. Ps I was also just joking when I said constituency is a shithole mate
Good thing you’re on hand to stop those woke lefty millennial and gen z snowflakes "Stop quoting my shit too early when i notice typos and have to repost it | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience. I’m YOUR audience - please do more
My humour is seriously toned down on here. I’m not really offensive but I do have quite a dark sense of humour."If you ever want to DM me, I’m curious. I’ll unlock the filter in case you do | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
I hear this. But I think it’s like for me, I laugh at dark racist jokes, when they’re made by Black People. But also I accept and acknowledge that those jokes are generally offensive and will offend people. I think belonging to the group that’s impacted does help the joke land though. There’s a weird power thing here that I think makes this particular type of joke from the OP, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man
Again for me it’s about knowing your audience. My white friends can make race jokes and I find it funny but they wouldn’t dream of saying it to other people. "Yeah the context here is also that it’s dependent on your relationships with people as well as what they’re willing to accept. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience. But he isn't a comedian telling jokes to an audience, he's a Government minister who should hold himself to a higher standard than that being in a position of responsibility " According to the article these number 10 events are off the record so I can only assume it was a joke amongst friends or colleagues. I can’t stand the Tories but I want them held to account for their policies rather than a distasteful joke. | |||
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"Its just bantz mate. Fucking leftie liberal snowflakes. Can’t even make a joke anymore….. Ps I was also just joking when I said constituency is a shithole mate
Good thing you’re on hand to stop those woke lefty millennial and gen z snowflakes "Weren’t like this in my day fella :D | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
I hear this. But I think it’s like for me, I laugh at dark racist jokes, when they’re made by Black People. But also I accept and acknowledge that those jokes are generally offensive and will offend people. I think belonging to the group that’s impacted does help the joke land though. There’s a weird power thing here that I think makes this particular type of joke from the OP, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man"Punching down from a place of power - never funny. Inviting people to share your lived experience through comedy - can be incredible. We saw Dara O'Briain live and his bit about being adopted had me crying and laughing. J | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience. But he isn't a comedian telling jokes to an audience, he's a Government minister who should hold himself to a higher standard than that being in a position of responsibility " This x1000 | |||
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Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent "It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me | |||
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"”””””””, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man”””””” So if a woman said it you’d have accepted it
Erm where did I say that, Woody? I said it’s not a funny joke quite clearly. Yes I think there are power and real life context considerations that make this specific example unfunny.
I’ve highlighted the bit I misunderstood "NOT FUNNY but particularly unfunny coming from a man I think clearly highlights that the joke is not funny regardless of who says it. And then in my previous reply I’ve clarified that it’s power and real life context that make it particularly unfunny coming from a man. | |||
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"”””””””, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man”””””” So if a woman said it you’d have accepted it
Erm where did I say that, Woody? I said it’s not a funny joke quite clearly. Yes I think there are power and real life context considerations that make this specific example unfunny.
I’ve highlighted the bit I misunderstood
NOT FUNNY but particularly unfunny coming from a man I think clearly highlights that the joke is not funny regardless of who says it.
And then in my previous reply I’ve clarified that it’s power and real life context that make it particularly unfunny coming from a man. "I get you. Because men do the lions share of the r7ping and dr6gging | |||
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What you can and can’t say….. George Orwell would have a ball with this.
Is it not less what you can and can’t say and more what you should and shouldn’t say?"yeah absolutely, my first comment above at the beginning was know your audience. Stevie, P. (And authors that I considered to have a good ‘sense’ of humour Has pretty pretty much confirmed that too. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience. But he isn't a comedian telling jokes to an audience, he's a Government minister who should hold himself to a higher standard than that being in a position of responsibility According to the article these number 10 events are off the record so I can only assume it was a joke amongst friends or colleagues. I can’t stand the Tories but I want them held to account for their policies rather than a distasteful joke." Obviously they aren't off the record if this has got out And off the record or not he was still in Downing Street and still has a responsibility to uphold his position. | |||
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What you can and can’t say….. George Orwell would have a ball with this.
Is it not less what you can and can’t say and more what you should and shouldn’t say?" | |||
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Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent
It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me"Also this | |||
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"”””””””, not funny but particularly unfunny coming from a man”””””” So if a woman said it you’d have accepted it
Erm where did I say that, Woody? I said it’s not a funny joke quite clearly. Yes I think there are power and real life context considerations that make this specific example unfunny.
I’ve highlighted the bit I misunderstood
NOT FUNNY but particularly unfunny coming from a man I think clearly highlights that the joke is not funny regardless of who says it.
And then in my previous reply I’ve clarified that it’s power and real life context that make it particularly unfunny coming from a man.
I get you. Because men do the lions share of the r7ping and dr6gging "Exactly this. The context is that it’s overwhelmingly men committing these crimes. | |||
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"Jimmy Carr is about as funny as piles too Add Frankie Boyle to that too. Anyone who relies on the shock factor to get laughs is not funny at all As for the article, it's abhorrent. How can societal attitudes change when there is attitudes like this at the top. The whole lot of them need just need to go Humour is subjective. It’s all about knowing your audience and this joke has made it to the news so he clearly didn’t know his audience. But he isn't a comedian telling jokes to an audience, he's a Government minister who should hold himself to a higher standard than that being in a position of responsibility According to the article these number 10 events are off the record so I can only assume it was a joke amongst friends or colleagues. I can’t stand the Tories but I want them held to account for their policies rather than a distasteful joke. Obviously they aren't off the record if this has got out And off the record or not he was still in Downing Street and still has a responsibility to uphold his position. " I don’t necessarily disagree but again I’d rather they be held to account for the lives they have ruined rather than a joke at a private function. No doubt this is a welcome distraction from whatever other shit they’re planning on pulling in the next few weeks. | |||
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"Surely it shows a human side of a politician who has a sense of humour rather than these faceless clones. If people can't laugh at themselves then who can they laugh at... " I do laugh at myself frequently just not when jokes about r*pe are being made... obviously I've had a sense of humour bypass | |||
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What you can and can’t say….. George Orwell would have a ball with this.
He would, how?"Eric Arthur Blair wrote that book to defend r*pe jokes… ? Learn something new every day! | |||
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"Surely it shows a human side of a politician who has a sense of humour rather than these faceless clones. If people can't laugh at themselves then who can they laugh at... " Wouldn’t it be better to show your human side by being compassionate about that kinda thing? Instead of turning it into a joke Comedians make jokes He’s not a comedian | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent
It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me"So you think when people make jokes it's a representation of their professional ability to do a good job.? Yes I suppose we should have a policy that everyone in any profession is not permitted to attempt humour unless it's a direct copy of all of their professional activities. | |||
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Ok. It’s worse than I feared"It depends on what you think constitutes “humanity” maybe? | |||
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Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent
It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me
So you think when people make jokes it's a representation of their professional ability to do a good job.? Yes I suppose we should have a policy that everyone in any profession is not permitted to attempt humour unless it's a direct copy of all of their professional activities. "No but people impacting legislation surrounding these horrible things I feel like probably shouldn’t make these jokes. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent
It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me
So you think when people make jokes it's a representation of their professional ability to do a good job.? Yes I suppose we should have a policy that everyone in any profession is not permitted to attempt humour unless it's a direct copy of all of their professional activities. "It shows that the person lacks the ability to moderate their behaviour appropriately. It’s also quite disturbing that the man responsible for law and order in this country thinks r+pe jokes are funny, especially when it’s so incredibly difficult to secure a r*pe conviction in the UK. | |||
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 kinda ruins the punching down/self deprecating aspect wheb the punchline is spiking a woman
Any joke can be funny, this just really wasn’t, and that’s before we even look at who he is, what he’s mean to represent and who he’s meant to be standing for | |||
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"I can't stand Torys but.. It's self depreciation and taking the piss out of himself." No it Really fucking isn't.... | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent
It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me
So you think when people make jokes it's a representation of their professional ability to do a good job.? Yes I suppose we should have a policy that everyone in any profession is not permitted to attempt humour unless it's a direct copy of all of their professional activities. "I never said that. He is in a position of power making decisions on what content to include in white paper documents relating to the issues he's 'joking' about My job expects me to hold myself to a certain standard when I am off the clock. Same for NHS and Police....Lots of other professions too I imagine. | |||
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"Yeah pretty sure an 'honourable gentleman' doesn't say shit like this. Whether it's just a joke or not. Still people are getting away with sexist jokes, yet if it was a racist joke there would be uproar. " Now why am I in it | |||
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"Let’s just take for a second that even in the best setting, it’s not exactly a great joke Then let’s look at this “ He also laughed that the secret to a long marriage was ensuring your spouse was “someone who is always mildly sedated so she can never realise there are better men out there”. Is that his attempt at self deprecating joke? Punching down? “Aren’t husbands such losers we need to drug our wives” kinda ruins the punching down/self deprecating aspect wheb the punchline is spiking a woman
Any joke can be funny, this just really wasn’t, and that’s before we even look at who he is, what he’s mean to represent and who he’s meant to be standing for "Well said. J | |||
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"Yeah pretty sure an 'honourable gentleman' doesn't say shit like this. Whether it's just a joke or not. Still people are getting away with sexist jokes, yet if it was a racist joke there would be uproar. Oh agree with that... Or trans.. Or well any other ism...its not a funny "joke" but the faux outrage says more about those stirring things up than about his abilities it failings as a politician. Politician makes crap joke. The end. " That you consider the outrage ‘faux’ says a lot about you. | |||
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"Yeah pretty sure an 'honourable gentleman' doesn't say shit like this. Whether it's just a joke or not. Still people are getting away with sexist jokes, yet if it was a racist joke there would be uproar. Oh agree with that... Or trans.. Or well any other ism...its not a funny "joke" but the faux outrage says more about those stirring things up than about his abilities it failings as a politician. Politician makes crap joke. The end. " Actually no, that's not what I'm saying. It's not just a crap joke. And it's not false outrage. It's genuine concern for wanting to live in a more compassionate society. Sexist 'jokes' and all these kind of abusive 'jokes' are still deemed acceptable, by some, to keep people in their place. | |||
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"Yeah pretty sure an 'honourable gentleman' doesn't say shit like this. Whether it's just a joke or not. Still people are getting away with sexist jokes, yet if it was a racist joke there would be uproar. Oh agree with that... Or trans.. Or well any other ism...its not a funny "joke" but the faux outrage says more about those stirring things up than about his abilities it failings as a politician. Politician makes crap joke. The end. " My outrage isn't " faux" .. | |||
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"Yeah pretty sure an 'honourable gentleman' doesn't say shit like this. Whether it's just a joke or not. Still people are getting away with sexist jokes, yet if it was a racist joke there would be uproar. Now why am I in it" I sometimes feel like sexist 'jokes' are deemed more acceptable in society than racist, or homophobic 'jokes'...bit that's just my feelings. Maybe because I feel the impact more than other 'jokes'? | |||
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"Yeah pretty sure an 'honourable gentleman' doesn't say shit like this. Whether it's just a joke or not. Still people are getting away with sexist jokes, yet if it was a racist joke there would be uproar. Now why am I in it I sometimes feel like sexist 'jokes' are deemed more acceptable in society than racist, or homophobic 'jokes'...bit that's just my feelings. Maybe because I feel the impact more than other 'jokes'?" I think that’s exactly it. The lens you see the joke through will typically determine your initial reaction imo | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent
It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me
So you think when people make jokes it's a representation of their professional ability to do a good job.? Yes I suppose we should have a policy that everyone in any profession is not permitted to attempt humour unless it's a direct copy of all of their professional activities.
I never said that.
He is in a position of power making decisions on what content to include in white paper documents relating to the issues he's 'joking' about
My job expects me to hold myself to a certain standard when I am off the clock. Same for NHS and Police....Lots of other professions too I imagine. "And was Cleverly off the clock in an official function at No.10? I'd suggest not. We are often involved in "social" functions at work but we are definitely "on the clock" because the function is designed to hob-nob with external stakeholders etc. We would be expected to behave in the same way as if we were in the college. | |||
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"Its just bantz mate. Fucking leftie liberal snowflakes. Can’t even make a joke anymore….. Ps I was also just joking when I said constituency is a shithole mate
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
I see jokes about stuff I've experienced. I still laugh. You need a little dark humour at times.
Depends if you were a child when you were r*ped....
Reading that is difficult for me, i empathise, I realy do, I understand why you might get upset by that joke?
It's not just the joke I find offensive but the trivialisation of it that I find equally as abhorrent
It's unsettling when jokes of that nature are being made by those responsible for creating policies and legislations meant to support the protection of people along with victims of such crimes. This is the issue for me
So you think when people make jokes it's a representation of their professional ability to do a good job.? Yes I suppose we should have a policy that everyone in any profession is not permitted to attempt humour unless it's a direct copy of all of their professional activities.
I never said that.
He is in a position of power making decisions on what content to include in white paper documents relating to the issues he's 'joking' about
My job expects me to hold myself to a certain standard when I am off the clock. Same for NHS and Police....Lots of other professions too I imagine.
And was Cleverly off the clock in an official function at No.10? I'd suggest not. We are often involved in "social" functions at work but we are definitely "on the clock" because the function is designed to hob-nob with external stakeholders etc. We would be expected to behave in the same way as if we were in the college."Exactly, he was at number 10 and representing the Government and yep exactly the same for me, even have to be careful of content on social media. | |||
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Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap too"ive been to stockton on tees and he aint wrong | |||
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"Its just bantz mate. Fucking leftie liberal snowflakes. Can’t even make a joke anymore….. Ps I was also just joking when I said constituency is a shithole mate
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Good thing you’re on hand to stop those woke lefty millennial and gen z snowflakes
I'm the millennial
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke." You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” | |||
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Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap tooive been to stockton on tees and he aint wrong"And the topic he was replying to was why 34% of children were living in poverty in the MP's constituency. So rather than help fix problems he'd rather stand in their way, classy guy. | |||
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"Infamy Infamy.. they all have in informe. If Angela Rayner said it about her husband then it would of been hilarious right..." Absolutely NOT r*pe is r*pe whatever way around it is... | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” You can interpret it whichever way you like. It's not like whatever I say will make you see any other way. It's a fucking joke, nothing more." So you can say anything you like and it’s ok if you say it was a joke? | |||
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"Infamy Infamy.. they all have in informe. If Angela Rayner said it about her husband then it would of been hilarious right..." Or, maybe some things are not ok to make jokes about? | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. I'll assume you've never been r*ped then... you're absolutely horrible " No but I have been spiked. Get a grip and stop judging people you know absolutely nothing about. I'll take humour in my life over outrage any day of the week. | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” You can interpret it whichever way you like. It's not like whatever I say will make you see any other way. It's a fucking joke, nothing more. So you can say anything you like and it’s ok if you say it was a joke?" If it is said in a humorous context, yes. You're judgements won't change my outlook in life. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap tooive been to stockton on tees and he aint wrong
And the topic he was replying to was why 34% of children were living in poverty in the MP's constituency. So rather than help fix problems he'd rather stand in their way, classy guy. "he still not wrong about the place being a shithole or should he have said its a beutifull place | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” You can interpret it whichever way you like. It's not like whatever I say will make you see any other way. It's a fucking joke, nothing more. So you can say anything you like and it’s ok if you say it was a joke? If it is said in a humorous context, yes. You're judgements won't change my outlook in life. " Ah, so it’s just you are completely lacking in empathy, that explains it. | |||
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"There should be a law against making jokes and offending people. Look at that nice Mr Corbyn, he never found it necessary to make jokes did he?" What's JC got to do with the price of fish?! The discussion is about the words of the present Home Secretary. It's not a party political debate. Unless r*pey jokes are part of the forthcoming election manifesto for the Conservatives?! | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. I'll assume you've never been r*ped then... you're absolutely horrible No but I have been spiked. Get a grip and stop judging people you know absolutely nothing about. I'll take humour in my life over outrage any day of the week. " I'm stating facts... | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. I'll assume you've never been r*ped then... you're absolutely horrible No but I have been spiked. Get a grip and stop judging people you know absolutely nothing about. I'll take humour in my life over outrage any day of the week. I'm stating facts... " What part is fact? Assumptions are now facts? If you believe that, it days more about yourself than I | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap tooive been to stockton on tees and he aint wrong
And the topic he was replying to was why 34% of children were living in poverty in the MP's constituency. So rather than help fix problems he'd rather stand in their way, classy guy. he still not wrong about the place being a shithole or should he have said its a beutifull place"He denied saying anything so he knew he shouldn't have said a thing. I doubt anyone would like the place where they live described in that way, beside the fact he's in a position to improve it. | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” You can interpret it whichever way you like. It's not like whatever I say will make you see any other way. It's a fucking joke, nothing more. So you can say anything you like and it’s ok if you say it was a joke? If it is said in a humorous context, yes. You're judgements won't change my outlook in life. Ah, so it’s just you are completely lacking in empathy, that explains it." Do I? I've been told that a few times, it still won't change me, those who know me, know the real me. | |||
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"There should be a law against making jokes and offending people. Look at that nice Mr Corbyn, he never found it necessary to make jokes did he? What's JC got to do with the price of fish?! The discussion is about the words of the present Home Secretary. It's not a party political debate. Unless r*pey jokes are part of the forthcoming election manifesto for the Conservatives?!" I was pointing out that humour and socialism are uneasy bedmates. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap tooive been to stockton on tees and he aint wrong
And the topic he was replying to was why 34% of children were living in poverty in the MP's constituency. So rather than help fix problems he'd rather stand in their way, classy guy. he still not wrong about the place being a shithole or should he have said its a beutifull place
He denied saying anything so he knew he shouldn't have said a thing. I doubt anyone would like the place where they live described in that way, beside the fact he's in a position to improve it. "The place I live is a shithole. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over someone saying so... The way of the world today is we must find something to be outraged about, its a fucking sad state. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap tooive been to stockton on tees and he aint wrong
And the topic he was replying to was why 34% of children were living in poverty in the MP's constituency. So rather than help fix problems he'd rather stand in their way, classy guy. he still not wrong about the place being a shithole or should he have said its a beutifull place
He denied saying anything so he knew he shouldn't have said a thing. I doubt anyone would like the place where they live described in that way, beside the fact he's in a position to improve it.
The place I live is a shithole. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over someone saying so...
The way of the world today is we must find something to be outraged about, its a fucking sad state. "Sunak, Hunt, Cameron, Cleverly rock up "this is a shithole" gets in their Jags and roll off. Not a word said, just applause, yeah I'll buy that. | |||
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"You can’t say anything anymore
Its political correctness gone mad
It's called not mocking things people have experienced...
My comment about political was a joke it’s was satire.
Thing with saying things online is it doesn't always come across as you intended....
That’s right. And as much as I hate the government cunts, that guys been thrown to the wolves as an agenda. I accept it was a badly timed joke.
What do you make of his PMQ's mic'd comment of "it's a shithole" about Stockton-On-Tees that he initially denied until recordings. If he's been thrown to the wolves he's putting his leg in the trap tooive been to stockton on tees and he aint wrong
And the topic he was replying to was why 34% of children were living in poverty in the MP's constituency. So rather than help fix problems he'd rather stand in their way, classy guy. he still not wrong about the place being a shithole or should he have said its a beutifull place
He denied saying anything so he knew he shouldn't have said a thing. I doubt anyone would like the place where they live described in that way, beside the fact he's in a position to improve it.
The place I live is a shithole. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over someone saying so...
The way of the world today is we must find something to be outraged about, its a fucking sad state.
Sunak, Hunt, Cameron, Cleverly rock up "this is a shithole" gets in their Jags and roll off. Not a word said, just applause, yeah I'll buy that. "I didn't say I'd applause, I said I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Wanna twist some more of my words? | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” You can interpret it whichever way you like. It's not like whatever I say will make you see any other way. It's a fucking joke, nothing more. So you can say anything you like and it’s ok if you say it was a joke? If it is said in a humorous context, yes. You're judgements won't change my outlook in life. Ah, so it’s just you are completely lacking in empathy, that explains it. Do I? I've been told that a few times, it still won't change me, those who know me, know the real me." Well no, it wouldn’t because you’re completely lacking in empathy but it explains your comments. | |||
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"There should be a law against making jokes and offending people. Look at that nice Mr Corbyn, he never found it necessary to make jokes did he? What's JC got to do with the price of fish?! The discussion is about the words of the present Home Secretary. It's not a party political debate. Unless r*pey jokes are part of the forthcoming election manifesto for the Conservatives?! I was pointing out that humour and socialism are uneasy bedmates." What's that got to do with the original post though? Absolutely nothing. Should a Home Secretary (colours irrelevant) make such comments and excuse them as a joke? | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” You can interpret it whichever way you like. It's not like whatever I say will make you see any other way. It's a fucking joke, nothing more. So you can say anything you like and it’s ok if you say it was a joke? If it is said in a humorous context, yes. You're judgements won't change my outlook in life. Ah, so it’s just you are completely lacking in empathy, that explains it. Do I? I've been told that a few times, it still won't change me, those who know me, know the real me. Well no, it wouldn’t because you’re completely lacking in empathy but it explains your comments." It wouldn't because I'm not gonna be swayed by some randomer on the Internet. Don't worry though, it'll pass, you'll find something else to be outraged about in a few days | |||
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"I'm not sure what funnier. The joke or the outrage from said joke. You may not have intended it so but this is what I interpreted your comment as: “I’m not sure what’s funnier, r*pe or people not thinking r*pe is ok” You can interpret it whichever way you like. It's not like whatever I say will make you see any other way. It's a fucking joke, nothing more. So you can say anything you like and it’s ok if you say it was a joke? If it is said in a humorous context, yes. You're judgements won't change my outlook in life. Ah, so it’s just you are completely lacking in empathy, that explains it. Do I? I've been told that a few times, it still won't change me, those who know me, know the real me. Well no, it wouldn’t because you’re completely lacking in empathy but it explains your comments. It wouldn't because I'm not gonna be swayed by some randomer on the Internet. Don't worry though, it'll pass, you'll find something else to be outraged about in a few days "Some of us think r*pe is outrageous, some of us have a less critical attitude. Such is life. | |||
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"Urgh, it got moved to the politics section. That explains a lot. The OP is nothing to do with the comments being from a Conservative party member. Had a Labour home secretary made the same comments, I'd have launched the same thread!" So you say ! | |||
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"Its just bantz mate. Fucking leftie liberal snowflakes. Can’t even make a joke anymore….. Ps I was also just joking when I said constituency is a shithole mate
Good thing you’re on hand to stop those woke lefty millennial and gen z snowflakes
I'm the millennial
So am I. He thinks I’m a boomer and I won’t rise to it
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