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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

I'm not particularly a monarchist and people should be free to demonstrate as they please provide they aren't interfering with others, but I'm not really convinced that this kind of demonstration on Coronation Day is particularly well timed or thought through.

It just makes the Republicans look like miserable party poopers.

It's like somebody I don't like having a birthday party and me turning up outside and shouting what an idiot they are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If you can't say anything when he's being crowned when can you - we were never given a say

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"If you can't say anything when he's being crowned when can you - we were never given a say"

You were never given a say, what does that mean?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people "

What would be the net outcome if the people were given the choice?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Can't be certain

But for me, I'd vote to abolish on the basis that the monarchy enforcing the idea of a hierarchical society determined at birth and is holding us back

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Can't be certain

But for me, I'd vote to abolish on the basis that the monarchy enforcing the idea of a hierarchical society determined at birth and is holding us back"

How is it holding you back?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"If you can't say anything when he's being crowned when can you - we were never given a say"

Literally any other day?

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people "

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't see anything wrong with making heard that you don't approve with something that they've spent hundreds of millions of public money on

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?"

Not a chance.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?"

Yeah calling my employer up asking to work...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What do you think haha

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily"

I'm not following the logic.

What evidence do you have that the monarchy is holding the country back on a global stage and how many countries are we talking about here, that see the monarchy as a negative?

More importantly, how does the "holding the country back" appear as a tangible thing?

The reputation of Andrew is extremely poor without doubt, however what do we do with Clinton, Gates and other powerful people who were engaged with Epstein?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily

I'm not following the logic.

What evidence do you have that the monarchy is holding the country back on a global stage and how many countries are we talking about here, that see the monarchy as a negative?

More importantly, how does the "holding the country back" appear as a tangible thing?

The reputation of Andrew is extremely poor without doubt, however what do we do with Clinton, Gates and other powerful people who were engaged with Epstein?

You're right I'm over simplifying but if we'd had this discussion rather than rushing through Charles' ascension to maintain his power we could examine these questions more.

The death of his mother was the perfect time to do that after such a long reign.

Andrew, the reaction to the coronation in countries like Australia and other colonies, Joe Biden not attending the coronation, are indicators that the crown doesn't have the soft power benefits it once did. At what point do the massive costs and negatives start outweighing the benefits.

Also, fundamental it's good to vocalise opposition when you're being asked to swear allegiance to something. If the only people out are the die hard monarchies then there would be the assumption that the country is happy to comply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament."

Time for a referendum then, will of the people, democracy and all that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?"

The extra bank holiday isn’t free, neither is the cost of the coronation and policing, we will all be paying for it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament."

Pahahaha

So our laws and government and democracy should stay static from the point it was established thousands of years ago?

Do you believe the royal family our divinely chosen and that would be confirmed in battle as God would shine favourably on them? Because that was the rationale for having them rule.

Do you wish to serve landed gentry and think it's wrong that democracy was changed so women could vote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily

I'm not following the logic.

What evidence do you have that the monarchy is holding the country back on a global stage and how many countries are we talking about here, that see the monarchy as a negative?

More importantly, how does the "holding the country back" appear as a tangible thing?

The reputation of Andrew is extremely poor without doubt, however what do we do with Clinton, Gates and other powerful people who were engaged with Epstein?

You're right I'm over simplifying but if we'd had this discussion rather than rushing through Charles' ascension to maintain his power we could examine these questions more.

The death of his mother was the perfect time to do that after such a long reign.

I'm not sure it really matters what other countries do about their historic links to the monarchy. If I lived in Australia I'd definitely be wondering why the Head of State of another country still has some constitutional role in my country.

As for Joe Biden I think his non attendance is more to do with his own mental and physical weakness than anything else.

As I say I am not an enthusiastic monarchist at all and certainly won't be getting involved in any creepy oath of allegiance, but if given a choice at a Referendum I'd definitely vote to keep the monarchy. Who really wants Blair or May as President?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily

I'm not following the logic.

What evidence do you have that the monarchy is holding the country back on a global stage and how many countries are we talking about here, that see the monarchy as a negative?

More importantly, how does the "holding the country back" appear as a tangible thing?

The reputation of Andrew is extremely poor without doubt, however what do we do with Clinton, Gates and other powerful people who were engaged with Epstein?

You're right I'm over simplifying but if we'd had this discussion rather than rushing through Charles' ascension to maintain his power we could examine these questions more.

The death of his mother was the perfect time to do that after such a long reign.

Can you tell me the massive costs of the monarchy? It would also be interesting to understand the wealth they generate for others and how that would offset the actual massive costs.

Do you have any idea on those comparisons?

As for Biden not turning up, I'm not sure that is the best example you could have provided, I will be surprised if he carries out many overseas engagements going forward.

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

"Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily

I'm not following the logic.

What evidence do you have that the monarchy is holding the country back on a global stage and how many countries are we talking about here, that see the monarchy as a negative?

More importantly, how does the "holding the country back" appear as a tangible thing?

The reputation of Andrew is extremely poor without doubt, however what do we do with Clinton, Gates and other powerful people who were engaged with Epstein?

You're right I'm over simplifying but if we'd had this discussion rather than rushing through Charles' ascension to maintain his power we could examine these questions more.

The death of his mother was the perfect time to do that after such a long reign.

Can you tell me the massive costs of the monarchy? It would also be interesting to understand the wealth they generate for others and how that would offset the actual massive costs.

Do you have any idea on those comparisons?

As for Biden not turning up, I'm not sure that is the best example you could have provided, I will be surprised if he carries out many overseas engagements going forward. "

No American President has attended a coronation of a British Monarch. President Dwight D. Eisenhower was invited to the last crowning of a British sovereign—in 1953 when Queen Elizabeth formally took the throne—but decided to skip it and send a delegation of American luminaries instead.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ultimately I take issue with a particular bloodline being given a formal position of hierarchy. Our country has huge issues on inequality, and for me the monarchy is a big symbol saying that's ok - some people should expect less in life because of who their parents our.

Also there is an annual tax payer cost. Saturday alone is costing £250 million.

If driving tourism is a key priority then you'd be better investing in the arts and screen in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

But anyway - original question before this got taken over was anyone going to Trafalgar on Saturday?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Ultimately I take issue with a particular bloodline being given a formal position of hierarchy. Our country has huge issues on inequality, and for me the monarchy is a big symbol saying that's ok - some people should expect less in life because of who their parents our.

Also there is an annual tax payer cost. Saturday alone is costing £250 million.

If driving tourism is a key priority then you'd be better investing in the arts and screen in the UK. "

Is it only tourism that drives income from the monarchy? How about the thousands of jobs that people are employed in that are making products and services around the monarchy.

The cost of the monarchy to the tax payer is approx £86million a year. It is approximated that the monarchy generates £19 billion through employment, tax, tourism, service and goods.

If what you want is every person is equal, they will need to have exactly the same from birth, everyone.

I'm afraid you have a bigger mountain to climb than the monarchy, and it wouldn't be a start, it would come nowhere near addressing the problems of inequality, it would only serve to take away peoples livelihoods and the countries rich history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have better things to do than larp as revolutionaries in the cesspit capital.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have better things to do than larp as revolutionaries in the cesspit capital."

London is ab amazing city, probably the best in the world

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We have better things to do than larp as revolutionaries in the cesspit capital."

Good to know...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Also there is an annual tax payer cost. Saturday alone is costing £250 million.

If driving tourism is a key priority then you'd be better investing in the arts and screen in the UK.

Is it only tourism that drives income from the monarchy? How about the thousands of jobs that people are employed in that are making products and services around the monarchy.

The cost of the monarchy to the tax payer is approx £86million a year. It is approximated that the monarchy generates £19 billion through employment, tax, tourism, service and goods.

If what you want is every person is equal, they will need to have exactly the same from birth, everyone.

The £19bn is total value not an annual profit but I don't know the GVA figure tbf.

Economic argument I have less of an issue with. Buckingham palace and all the tourist spots would remain and be reformed, likely creat jobs if opened up to the public. Lady's in waiting etc are unpaid anyway and problematic in their own way

It's the limiting effect of it in terms of addressing systemic racism and inequality through radical imagination

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al. "

I'd argue that other than Trump a King is closer to those than an elected head of state but anyway...

Not on a swinger site for a debate, just a post demo hook up with some like minded people...

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

The Republic of Great Britain.

Can't wait to see the day

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

Also there is an annual tax payer cost. Saturday alone is costing £250 million.

If driving tourism is a key priority then you'd be better investing in the arts and screen in the UK.

Is it only tourism that drives income from the monarchy? How about the thousands of jobs that people are employed in that are making products and services around the monarchy.

The cost of the monarchy to the tax payer is approx £86million a year. It is approximated that the monarchy generates £19 billion through employment, tax, tourism, service and goods.

If what you want is every person is equal, they will need to have exactly the same from birth, everyone.

The £19bn is total value not an annual profit but I don't know the GVA figure tbf.

It's the limiting effect of it in terms of addressing systemic racism and inequality through radical imagination "

The histories of all countries comes with notes of wrong doings, here in the UK they thankfully have been addressed and stopped.

You seem to feel it is your duty to correct what has already been corrected, why is that?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Adam, I'd prefer you keep any discussion to this forum rather than DM.

Btw, you missed the sarcasm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh, I quite like Charles and his views on the environment and nature, he seems a decent bloke , Its the rest of the monarchy , dukes, earls etc etc that I would like to see abolished , they serve no purpose

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al. "

The Irish presidential system is a good model.

No real power. Just an elected figure head for meet and greets etc.

I think that prior to Charles's coronation would have been a good time for a national conversation about the future of the monarchy.

It's not a top issue for me so I have no intention of protesting. But good luck to those that do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al. "

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

I'm honestly not sure if this is ironic humour or serious. But that aside, in this age of 'celebrity' we'd be far more likely to end up with a Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Lineker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

I'm honestly not sure if this is ironic humour or serious. But that aside, in this age of 'celebrity' we'd be far more likely to end up with a Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Lineker. "

I am deadly serious, Gary linekar is a good shout though, very well respected man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

I'm honestly not sure if this is ironic humour or serious. But that aside, in this age of 'celebrity' we'd be far more likely to end up with a Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Lineker.

I am deadly serious, Gary linekar is a good shout though, very well respected man

At least learn how to spell his name if you are going to spend all your time licking his boots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

I'm honestly not sure if this is ironic humour or serious. But that aside, in this age of 'celebrity' we'd be far more likely to end up with a Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Lineker.

I am deadly serious, Gary linekar is a good shout though, very well respected man

At least learn how to spell his name if you are going to spend all your time licking his boots."

You can vote for Tommy Robinson instead

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By *iltsguy200Man
over a year ago

Warminster

"The Republic of Great Britain.

Can't wait to see the day

We tried being a republic once before, it was such a success we asked the monarch to come back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Republic of Great Britain.

Can't wait to see the day

We tried being a republic once before, it was such a success we asked the monarch to come back. "

370 years ago

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

If like to be able to vote on every single topic so we can have split votes at all times and never get anything done

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

I'm honestly not sure if this is ironic humour or serious. But that aside, in this age of 'celebrity' we'd be far more likely to end up with a Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Lineker.

I am deadly serious, Gary linekar is a good shout though, very well respected man

At least learn how to spell his name if you are going to spend all your time licking his boots.

You can vote for Tommy Robinson instead

You've inadvertently hit the nail on the head I think. An elected El Presidente risks some some extremist idiot of the left or right getting swept into power on a wave of populism (e.g. Trump). Far better to have a neutral Head of State who sits above politics - e.g. a King.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

I'm honestly not sure if this is ironic humour or serious. But that aside, in this age of 'celebrity' we'd be far more likely to end up with a Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Lineker.

I am deadly serious, Gary linekar is a good shout though, very well respected man

At least learn how to spell his name if you are going to spend all your time licking his boots.

You can vote for Tommy Robinson instead

Hence why the Irish model works. No real power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, what this country needs is an El Presidente in the style of Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi et al.

They wouldn’t have to be in their ‘style’ . You could have John Major, Blair, May, Brown plenty of decent options

I'm honestly not sure if this is ironic humour or serious. But that aside, in this age of 'celebrity' we'd be far more likely to end up with a Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Lineker.

I am deadly serious, Gary linekar is a good shout though, very well respected man

At least learn how to spell his name if you are going to spend all your time licking his boots.

You can vote for Tommy Robinson instead

That isn’t ‘democratic’ though, like I said, I like Charles but let’s put it to the people

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"If like to be able to vote on every single topic so we can have split votes at all times and never get anything done

Good point. Whenever there is a vote on something important it ends in disaster for the UK and for ordinary British people.

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow? "

Back to the OP's question: no. I won't be going anywhere near Chas's oiling-up and hat-fitting and I'll be letting the sycophants have their fun in peace. I think protests on the day may be counter-productive and add fuel to the fire of an authoritarian regime who'd like to clamp down further on our rights.

I was going to be performing at a concert in London tomorrow but the day's events pose a potential logistical nightmare. I'd also have to constantly bite my tongue in transit so as not to be accused of the new offence of anti-royalism. So no, I'll save my protests for later; there will be opportunities. Mind you, I may be putting an effigy on the fire-pit later, the best way to toast the fellow.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Wont be going, i try to stay out of the capital as its an over priced shithole

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wont be going, i try to stay out of the capital as its an over priced shithole"

One of the greatest cities in the world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Sounds fun.

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

For those of us who don't have a TV licence there is a dispensation to watch the BBC for the Coronation and celebrations over the long weekend. If you have bought a licence for the sole purpose of watching the Coronation you'll be able to get a full refund. See the BBC website for details.

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By *oastal1968Man
over a year ago

London

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people "

You're free to leave and live in a country that has no Monarchy. What's stopping you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

You're free to leave and live in a country that has no Monarchy. What's stopping you? "

Family, friends, job, lived here all my life?...

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By *aGaGagging for itCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

What would be the net outcome if the people were given the choice?"

Would you rather have an elected President? - we've created a shit show with the politicians that we've elected over the years!

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anti democratic, pinnacle of privilege, waste of my money. I wish (even more) misery upon every one of them.

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

You're free to leave and live in a country that has no Monarchy. What's stopping you? "

Er, we stay and fight for change. That's how it works.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"Wont be going, i try to stay out of the capital as its an over priced shithole

One of the greatest cities in the world

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yea ok, how often do you visit? Im 12 miles outside the capital and apart from the westend london is a overpriced dump, pretty much like most major citys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wont be going, i try to stay out of the capital as its an over priced shithole

One of the greatest cities in the world

yea ok, how often do you visit? Im 12 miles outside the capital and apart from the westend london is a overpriced dump, pretty much like most major citys"

About 10-15 times a year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily"

Not from what I've seen on the news channels...

Also the main reason bandied about is the cost. Apparently cost about £1.50 per year for everyone.

No one mentioning the 1 billion in tourism...

The anti monarchy protests are petty minded jealous nutters thinking that suddenly everyone will be better off without a monarchy

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?"

I asked to work but the company is closed for the day so no choice

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament.

Time for a referendum then, will of the people, democracy and all that

Fine.

I dont think it will go the way you want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?

I asked to work but the company is closed for the day so no choice "

Community work? Pick litter, go ing around Hastings..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament.

Time for a referendum then, will of the people, democracy and all that

So a referendum because a handful of nut jobs are whing on

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By *sbotangoMan
over a year ago

Close by

God Save the King. History in the making & loving it. Wont be missing a minute of it today

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament.

Time for a referendum then, will of the people, democracy and all that

So a referendum because a handful of nut jobs are whing on"

Worked last time. Sadly.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

As usual in these RF threads, a troubling lack of understanding of the role of our Constitutional Head. Whilst it is largely ceremonial, remember that the armed forces, police and judiciary swear allegiance to The King NOT the government. This brings checks and balances into governance. Would we really want our armed forces aligned with the likes of Jeremy Corbyn or Nigel Farage as El Presidente?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As usual in these RF threads, a troubling lack of understanding of the role of our Constitutional Head. Whilst it is largely ceremonial, remember that the armed forces, police and judiciary swear allegiance to The King NOT the government. This brings checks and balances into governance. Would we really want our armed forces aligned with the likes of Jeremy Corbyn or Nigel Farage as El Presidente?"

Exactly. Many countries are envious of such a system

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?"

You could probably assume that many of those not in agreement with the coronation don't need the bank holiday as they don't work the rest of the week anyway.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people "

What would you want to do then?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Looks like God has the intention of raining on the parade, just as in 1953.

I might start believing in him if it happens next time as well.

Somewhat unusually the rain appears to be hovering around the London area for the duration instead of moving across the country. Divine intervention, surely?

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament."

And who voted those members of parliament in, that made that decision? About a dozen people for each MP!

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Holding the country back on the global stage. It's archaic and viewed negatively in a lot of countries

Andrew has highlighted the increasing reputational risk in an age where secrets can't be kept as easily

I'm not following the logic.

What evidence do you have that the monarchy is holding the country back on a global stage and how many countries are we talking about here, that see the monarchy as a negative?

More importantly, how does the "holding the country back" appear as a tangible thing?

The reputation of Andrew is extremely poor without doubt, however what do we do with Clinton, Gates and other powerful people who were engaged with Epstein?

They are not our problem. They are Americas problem.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Wont be going, i try to stay out of the capital as its an over priced shithole

One of the greatest cities in the world

Your easily pleased!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I find it very funny that Royal Assent was granted this week to the public order bill. And then all the protest groups are being round up and arrested prior to this event. It’s not at all coincidental.

Although Peter Tatchell has just posted the most disingenuous Twitter video I have seen in a while.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I find it very funny that Royal Assent was granted this week to the public order bill. And then all the protest groups are being round up and arrested prior to this event. It’s not at all coincidental.

Although Peter Tatchell has just posted the most disingenuous Twitter video I have seen in a while. "

Wonder when those 'barriers' were erected. I can guarantee it was before they took their position.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Although Peter Tatchell has just posted the most disingenuous Twitter video I have seen in a while.

Wonder when those 'barriers' were erected. I can guarantee it was before they took their position."

They look suspiciously like the camera platforms all along the route.

And of course he could always move to the left or right.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Although Peter Tatchell has just posted the most disingenuous Twitter video I have seen in a while.

Wonder when those 'barriers' were erected. I can guarantee it was before they took their position.

They look suspiciously like the camera platforms all along the route.

And of course he could always move to the left or right.

The man is a Grade A tit. That's probably insulting to tits because there's some real good ones here

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people "

For example, look at the USA, only 50% support Biden as the president and 35% don't think he is president. North Korea (stole power by murdering opposition and brutally suppressing the people), Gambia (refuses to accept the election result), Russia (Altered their constitution so Putin can be president for life and continue to steal from the people) etc. etc. We all can see what happens when "elected leaders" are selected on political grounds.

Our Royal family carries out massively important negotiations on our behalf because they are not seen as political. They get access where our elected politicians would have failed to even communicate.

The Vice President of China is coming to the coronation. Whatever you think of them it is an opportunity for talking in private rather than shouting in public. Real diplomacy in action.

Finally, the last group I would trust to make an important decision on our country's future via a referendum are the electorate. Remember Brexit? Q.E.D.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

The Vice President of China is coming to the coronation. Whatever you think of them it is an opportunity for talking in private rather than shouting in public. Real diplomacy in action.

Finally, the last group I would trust to make an important decision on our country's future via a referendum are the electorate. Remember Brexit? Q.E.D.

Just remind everyone how exactly royalty came to own so much wealth and land. Was it given to them with thanks for lording it over us, or was it grabbed from the people of this country hundreds of years ago with the threat of a sword?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

The Vice President of China is coming to the coronation. Whatever you think of them it is an opportunity for talking in private rather than shouting in public. Real diplomacy in action.

Finally, the last group I would trust to make an important decision on our country's future via a referendum are the electorate. Remember Brexit? Q.E.D.

I'm guessing you would prefer to still have the Romans incharge. Or maybe you would be happy if the Vikings had stayed.

The times you are talking about everything was ruled by the sword. So a pointless argument imo.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

The Vice President of China is coming to the coronation. Whatever you think of them it is an opportunity for talking in private rather than shouting in public. Real diplomacy in action.

Finally, the last group I would trust to make an important decision on our country's future via a referendum are the electorate. Remember Brexit? Q.E.D.

Some of it will have been handed down over the ages. Some will have been gifted by nations who benefited from protection under the British Empire. People choose to ignore that much of the empire was based on treaty not conquest. But don't let the facts get in the way a rant eh.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

What a fantastic spectacle, absolutely loved it and the 3 cheers from the armed forces actually produced a tear!!!

Brilliant!

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort?

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort? "

They thought we wouldn't notice but they underestimated the vigilance of Fabbers.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort? "

Weeks if not months ago.

No surprise to anyone who watches the news or reads a paper.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort?

They thought we wouldn't notice but they underestimated the vigilance of Fabbers."

Has the advantage that anyone who is not very keen can still use the consort reference.

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?

Yeah calling my employer up asking to work..."
no just give your days wage to charity win win

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?"

I am working the bank holiday, the extra money will come in handy but unfortunately some of it will be taken in tax to pay for the Coronation.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Can I assume that, those not in agreement with the Coronation, will also be refusing the extra Bank Holiday?

I am working the bank holiday, the extra money will come in handy but unfortunately some of it will be taken in tax to pay for the Coronation. "

Money well spent, thanks for the contribution

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

Actually it was all decided many many many years ago by parliament.

Time for a referendum then, will of the people, democracy and all that

Promise the people a glass of wine and a packet of stale biscuits and they'll vote for whatever you want

Worked well in 2016

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By *en_Dover79Man
over a year ago

Oswaldtwistle

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow? "

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying"

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain. "

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

*protest

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain. "

There may or may not be a referendum in the future on the monarchy so for the time being there is little choice in what you do if you don't want to live in such a country. Apart from either putting up with it or leaving the only thing that springs to mind is a political party that makes abolishing the monarchy very clear. Maybe this already exists though not sure the name or level of support. Personally I like the monarchy but understand some don't. I'm not sure this is unique to Britain though in terms of system. If a small number of French people demanded a return to a monarch, what responses would they get

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

Do you think the right protest should be expected at every event of national importance?

Where does ‘others rights’ come into this? Right to protest is becoming a plague of small groups hell bent on disrupting a day, smacks of anarchism

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent. "

It's true, you do have the right to protest within the law but to me that is at the same time a living here so still putting up with it. My thought on a political party dedicated to the abolishment of the monarchy would also come under that to I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

* making popcorn * anyone else want some ?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

Do you think the right protest should be expected at every event of national importance?

Where does ‘others rights’ come into this? Right to protest is becoming a plague of small groups hell bent on disrupting a day, smacks of anarchism "

I don't think any protests should be expected.

What would happen one day if there was something you believed in and wanted to protest about. Would you be as gung ho against?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

This is in additional to your right to protest:

Any limitation to the right to protest must be outlined in legislation. It must also be necessary, proportionate and for one of the following aims:

– in the interest of national security or public safety

– to prevent disorder or crime

– to protect health or morals- to protect others’ rights and freedoms.

You could argue that any protests on the procession route could be dismantled due to national security clause.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

Do you think the right protest should be expected at every event of national importance?

Where does ‘others rights’ come into this? Right to protest is becoming a plague of small groups hell bent on disrupting a day, smacks of anarchism

I don't think any protests should be expected.

What would happen one day if there was something you believed in and wanted to protest about. Would you be as gung ho against?"

If I needed to protest I would consider many thing beyond my own self importance, such as the impact to others and whether that would create a detrimental effect on what I was trying to do.

The small groups of anarchists who are controlling the disruption are trying to out stage each other, and the over excited volunteers are only to happy to get involved. This is why public opinion has turned and why they will not make headway.

Having the right to protest isn’t a get of jail card.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

Do you think the right protest should be expected at every event of national importance?

Where does ‘others rights’ come into this? Right to protest is becoming a plague of small groups hell bent on disrupting a day, smacks of anarchism

I don't think any protests should be expected.

What would happen one day if there was something you believed in and wanted to protest about. Would you be as gung ho against?

If I needed to protest I would consider many thing beyond my own self importance, such as the impact to others and whether that would create a detrimental effect on what I was trying to do.

Having the right to protest isn’t a get of jail card."

Fair play.

Personally, I'm against the idea of an authoritarian state where the population has to remain silent and compliant.

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over a year ago

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

Do you think the right protest should be expected at every event of national importance?

Where does ‘others rights’ come into this? Right to protest is becoming a plague of small groups hell bent on disrupting a day, smacks of anarchism

I don't think any protests should be expected.

What would happen one day if there was something you believed in and wanted to protest about. Would you be as gung ho against?

If I needed to protest I would consider many thing beyond my own self importance, such as the impact to others and whether that would create a detrimental effect on what I was trying to do.

Having the right to protest isn’t a get of jail card.

Fair play.

Personally, I'm against the idea of an authoritarian state where the population has to remain silent and compliant.

"
and that's why I cherish 2A it protects the first

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

Do you think the right protest should be expected at every event of national importance?

Where does ‘others rights’ come into this? Right to protest is becoming a plague of small groups hell bent on disrupting a day, smacks of anarchism

I don't think any protests should be expected.

What would happen one day if there was something you believed in and wanted to protest about. Would you be as gung ho against?

If I needed to protest I would consider many thing beyond my own self importance, such as the impact to others and whether that would create a detrimental effect on what I was trying to do.

Having the right to protest isn’t a get of jail card.

Fair play.

Personally, I'm against the idea of an authoritarian state where the population has to remain silent and compliant.

I agree and I would think most would, but when the protests become the authoritarians, we now have a problem.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

What options would you like? I’ve jotted some down should you need them…

The right to spoil a memorable day that people have travelled far and wide to see.

The right to deny people their history?

The right to deny anyone who doesn’t think the same as you to be disrupted tirelessly and without consequences.

or maybe the right to be able to enjoy something of national importance without having aggressive confrontation in yours and your family’s face?

Feel free to add your own though

The right to protect.

Freedom of expression.

Do you think the right protest should be expected at every event of national importance?

Where does ‘others rights’ come into this? Right to protest is becoming a plague of small groups hell bent on disrupting a day, smacks of anarchism

I don't think any protests should be expected.

What would happen one day if there was something you believed in and wanted to protest about. Would you be as gung ho against?

If I needed to protest I would consider many thing beyond my own self importance, such as the impact to others and whether that would create a detrimental effect on what I was trying to do.

Having the right to protest isn’t a get of jail card.

Fair play.

Personally, I'm against the idea of an authoritarian state where the population has to remain silent and compliant.

I agree and I would think most would, but when the protests become the authoritarians, we now have a problem. "

Has that happened though?

BTW I am equally in favour of people protesting things I would never in a million years support.

I am not especially against the monarchy. I would prefer a different option. But it's not a top issue for me. But I support people wanting to express dissent. And I think the options of shut up of fuck off out of the country are fucking ridiculous.

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By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

The Vice President of China is coming to the coronation. Whatever you think of them it is an opportunity for talking in private rather than shouting in public. Real diplomacy in action.

Finally, the last group I would trust to make an important decision on our country's future via a referendum are the electorate. Remember Brexit? Q.E.D.

I'm guessing you would prefer to still have the Romans incharge. Or maybe you would be happy if the Vikings had stayed.

The times you are talking about everything was ruled by the sword. So a pointless argument imo."

What did the Romans ever do for us anyway?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

...

What did the Romans ever do for us anyway?"

Don't blame the Romans for everything.

Surely it was the railways that brought DevaStation to Chester?

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

The Vice President of China is coming to the coronation. Whatever you think of them it is an opportunity for talking in private rather than shouting in public. Real diplomacy in action.

Finally, the last group I would trust to make an important decision on our country's future via a referendum are the electorate. Remember Brexit? Q.E.D.

It is many centuries since the Royals "stole" land and then at that time, the ordinary serfs did not own land anyway.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort? "

It appears that the wife of a crowned King is always crowned the Queen. We would have to have made massive legal and constitutional changes if Camila was not to be crowned.

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By *eggieMarshmallowWoman
over a year ago

Cardiff

I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort?"

"It appears that the wife of a crowned King is always crowned the Queen. We would have to have made massive legal and constitutional changes if Camila was not to be crowned."

Not second wives. The first wife of a King can be crowned Queen. Any subsequent wives can only be Queen Consort.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort?

Weeks if not months ago.

No surprise to anyone who watches the news or reads a paper. "

I rely on Essex Tom scanning the news on my behalf!

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy. "

It possibly doesn't command enough support to have a dedicated party which in turn shows how the people feel on the whole. You and others have the right to protest within the law, that was not in question. However it is still putting up with the situation that you are doing

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

Right now the right wing are cheering on any crackdown of this freedom because everything is going their way politically. If that changes, I want those right wingers to have every opportunity to protest freely and express dissent.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

Protest freely and express dissent sounds like a picnic in the park! You know that isn't true and far from it.

Everyone in this country has the right to protest within the law and it is protected. What is not protected is mindless vandalism, aggression and disruption to every day life of law abiding citizens by small groups of activists intent on closing down peoples freedoms in the name of their course

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

Protest freely and express dissent sounds like a picnic in the park! You know that isn't true and far from it.

Not sure what your point is.

All I was doing was pointing out how silly the "if you don't like it, fuck off out of the country" argument was.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Unelected, no referendum, ultimately not decided by the people

The Vice President of China is coming to the coronation. Whatever you think of them it is an opportunity for talking in private rather than shouting in public. Real diplomacy in action.

Finally, the last group I would trust to make an important decision on our country's future via a referendum are the electorate. Remember Brexit? Q.E.D.

A lot of the jewels etc I t he ceremony were bought and laid for.

Cromwell ensured a lot of the crown jewels were sold off and destroyed. Then when the government and Charles 2nd came to Ana greenest and he was coronated, the uk had to buy and make most of what we see today.

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By *orleymanMan
over a year ago

Leeds

An agreement *

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

I know others say emigrate or put up with it but that was not me. I am just saying apart from those two options, your limited. Yes you can protest and yes it is part of democracy, I don't think anyone has said differently. I believe (though not checked) the same situation is in many countries, not just Britain

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent. "

Nobody has said people can't protest, the issue is the distress and disruption these anarchists are dishing out. They have gone past peaceful protest and because of their tactics the tolerance has become less.

They are small in number and their wish for a republic is more important to them than the thousands of people who have made long journeys with their families to mark a once in a lifetime moment. Let's not forget the millions watching around the world who could be encouraged to travel and spend their money here, supporting jobs and the economy, simply by watching such amazing events of history unfold on their TV's.

Yet this handful of spiteful individuals were determined to ruin the day for anyone who was unfortunate enough to be near them.

Time and place and yesterday wasn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

Protest freely and express dissent sounds like a picnic in the park! You know that isn't true and far from it.

I'm all for sensible protest but that shower of anarchists were a disgrace to themselves and potentially spoilt a family day out on a memorable event.

I totally disagree with their rhetoric..

Unelected but what powers do they impose on you?

Stealing the weather of this country? Apparently tourism bring in a billion per year so a new profit and an asset to this country unlike yourselves

Go protest against no shell who take in billions per year, pay minimal tax and sell the future health of the environment , protest against them you Muppets!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Yet this handful of spiteful individuals were determined to ruin the day for anyone who was unfortunate enough to be near them.

Time and place and yesterday wasn't it. "

Why do you feel the need to try to discredit people who want to express dissent?

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Time and place and yesterday wasn't it. "

If the time and place for dissent against the monarchy isn't during a once in a 3 generation coronation - when is it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards "

All safe. Saw placards being taken off people but didn't witness any of the arrests. If this is how the new laws were applied for a very peaceful and clearly communicated demonstration you wonder what will happen with actual protests that look to cause disruption...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards "

What right did they /you have to disrupt/frighten young families and parents.

I think the police did right before any trouble was caused by any aggressive language from the anarchist morons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time and place and yesterday wasn't it.

If the time and place for dissent against the monarchy isn't during a once in a 3 generation coronation - when is it? "

When young children and young families aren't around to witness your ugly antics.

How about a sensible debate.. get on the news to be interviewed sensibly instead of being yobs on the street

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time and place and yesterday wasn't it.

If the time and place for dissent against the monarchy isn't during a once in a 3 generation coronation - when is it? "

Oh and get your facts straight before arguing against a monarchy.. instead of being opinionated morons with no clue on what your waffling on about

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent. "

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards

What right did they /you have to disrupt/frighten young families and parents.

I think the police did right before any trouble was caused by any aggressive language from the anarchist morons"

Only aggression I saw was from people on their way to Hyde Park shouting at people with Republic banners...

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Time and place and yesterday wasn't it.

If the time and place for dissent against the monarchy isn't during a once in a 3 generation coronation - when is it?

Oh and get your facts straight before arguing against a monarchy.. instead of being opinionated morons with no clue on what your waffling on about"

You don't know my options on this. I just asked a question. Your response though, is exactly how the fascists in government are slowly eroding our hard-won freedoms.

PS Get your facts straight? What facts have I got wrong? I've only just joined this thread with a question (no facts) and been attacked by a gammon.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards

What right did they /you have to disrupt/frighten young families and parents.

I think the police did right before any trouble was caused by any aggressive language from the anarchist morons"

Welcome to Britain 2023 where the population are angry at those people who don't want an ultra authoritarian regime.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that. "

Read the thread more closely.

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards

What right did they /you have to disrupt/frighten young families and parents.

I think the police did right before any trouble was caused by any aggressive language from the anarchist morons"

Anarchists? Do you have any evidence of that?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

I'm relieved that those protestors yesterday are few in numbers and have no backing from the general public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time and place and yesterday wasn't it.

If the time and place for dissent against the monarchy isn't during a once in a 3 generation coronation - when is it?

Oh and get your facts straight before arguing against a monarchy.. instead of being opinionated morons with no clue on what your waffling on about"

You know your place

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards

The demonstration had been approved by the Met, allegedly the Home Office instructed the arrests.

To arrest people not even at a demonstration that was lawful and legally approved is an absolute terrifying precedent

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By *eggieMarshmallowWoman
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I went to the one in Cardiff, hope everyone is safe, I heard they were arresting the peaceful protesters, fucking bastards

What right did they /you have to disrupt/frighten young families and parents.

I think the police did right before any trouble was caused by any aggressive language from the anarchist morons"

No aggression from us, it was peaceful, as I said

It is a human right to protest, something that this government wants to take away from us

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely."

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest"

The police literally did that yesterday

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday "

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Not always that simple. What if the majority are morally wrong, having been swayed by corrupt leadership? (hypothetical, not any current scenario)

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Genuinely think it's bizarre that you're cheering on the move towards an authoritarian state. Do you really not want people to be allowed to protest, or is it only because it's for a cause you don't agree with?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

That's not how policing works though is it?

You have to be committing a crime or for the police to have reasonable suspicions that you have committed a crime to be arrested.

In thos case, the organisers had applied to the MET and the demonstration was approved by the MET.

The MET then arrested people turning up to it.

So lawful protest was deemed illegal

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

I have said a number of times I am not against protests but the reality is that the protestors have become aggressive disrupters. Locking on, causing chaos and they would have upset innocent families trying to enjoy a memorable day.

I'm glad they were stopped, I'm glad people got to enjoy their day. I would also be glad to see these protesters have a grown up conversations about the their wants, but that is all it will ever be their wants, they are minority and the majority do not want their ideologies..

The police are doing what the people want, those that have closed our roads, thrown excrement over the statue of Captain Tom, those that threw paint, ran on the F1 track, those that climbed on trains etc, are to blame for the stronger than normal tactics, blame them not the normal people who want a peaceful life.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Always good to “nip things in the bud”

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Always good to “nip things in the bud”

Things such as the freedom to express dissent?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Always good to “nip things in the bud”

Could have had some Intel after all. If they don’t come up with some justification though then they are going to need to get the cheque book out again.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"When did they pull off this flanker that Camilla is being called Queen and not Queen Consort?

It appears that the wife of a crowned King is always crowned the Queen. We would have to have made massive legal and constitutional changes if Camila was not to be crowned.

Not second wives. The first wife of a King can be crowned Queen. Any subsequent wives can only be Queen Consort."

When Charles was married to Diana he was not a King. I think that is the difference.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless. "

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Always good to “nip things in the bud”

Could have had some Intel after all. If they don’t come up with some justification though then they are going to need to get the cheque book out again.

Worth it on this occasion

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Always good to “nip things in the bud”

Could have had some Intel after all. If they don’t come up with some justification though then they are going to need to get the cheque book out again.

Worth it on this occasion

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

I know what we should do.

Fuck 99% of the population who just want to enjoy life so the 1% can disrupt everyone else because they have 'rights'.

I'm glad I don't live in a city.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I know what we should do.

Fuck 99% of the population who just want to enjoy life so the 1% can disrupt everyone else because they have 'rights'.

I'm glad I don't live in a city.

That sums it up perfectly

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything. "

It tells you nothing, clearly..

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything. "

Just being disruptive and abusive at a solemn occasion of state is just mindless and pisses people off. Whey don't they tell us their alternative to the Monarchy as our Head of Constitution? Because most likely they haven't thought it through, and haven't got an alternative. Do we really want a sleazebag like Trump, Putin, Xi, Jong-Un, Berlusconi?? Or do we opt for some clown like Farage or Corbyn?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

I don't know what their alternative is. As I've said before this isn't a top issue for me. But I firmly believe we should be allowed to express dissent and to protest.

As for the alternatives. As I mentioned to you above, twice, the Irish model works well. Their president is elected, has no real power. Does a lot of meet and greet. I would consider voting for an option like that. But again, it's not a top issue for me.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

It tells you nothing, clearly.. "

Lowered yourself to just insulting me now. Simply because I expressed an opinion about having the rights to protest and express dissent. That's not great to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

It tells you nothing, clearly..

Lowered yourself to just insulting me now. Simply because I expressed an opinion about having the rights to protest and express dissent. That's not great to be honest. "

Thats FAB for you, such a close and welcoming community.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

It tells you nothing, clearly..

Lowered yourself to just insulting me now. Simply because I expressed an opinion about having the rights to protest and express dissent. That's not great to be honest. "

I'm confused. Where did you get insulted?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

It tells you nothing, clearly..

Lowered yourself to just insulting me now. Simply because I expressed an opinion about having the rights to protest and express dissent. That's not great to be honest.

I'm confused. Where did you get insulted?"

Aren't you usually adept at seeing insults on here? I'm sure you can see it.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

It tells you nothing, clearly..

Lowered yourself to just insulting me now. Simply because I expressed an opinion about having the rights to protest and express dissent. That's not great to be honest.

I'm confused. Where did you get insulted?

Aren't you usually adept at seeing insults on here? I'm sure you can see it. "

You've quoted it after he said 'it tells you nothing', that's why I'm confused.

Before that, you called him extremist, for which he returned fire.

I'm still confused.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

I don't know what their alternative is. As I've said before this isn't a top issue for me. But I firmly believe we should be allowed to express dissent and to protest.

Agree with the right to protest, but it's a moot point whether that should extend to spoiling a constitutional occasion that many/most agree with and enjoy. My own opinion on an elected but powerless Head of State is that we'd end up with some celebrity clown. What would that bring?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Anyone planning on attending the Republic demonstration at Trafalgar tomorrow?

Emigrate if you don't like them... plenty of other regimes to live under in the world...just saying

That's it. Your only two options are comply and shut up, or fuck off out of the country.

Welcome to Britain.

The point is, the options aren't "putting up with it or leaving". At the moment we still have the option to protest and express dissent.

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough issue to have a whole party dedicated to it.

And personally I believe that the right to protest and express dissent is a vital part of democracy.

It is in question though.

"Emigrate if you don't like them" as one example. This thread has several people suggesting that protests shouldn't be allowed.

Again. The monarchy is not a top issue for me. I'm expressing my opinion that expressing dissent and protest are vitally important parts of democracy.

What would be in question?

Then you and I agree.

The question was if people should be allowed to protest and express dissent.

Largely yes but I think most on here agree that a law abiding protest is not a problem so think I'm not unusual in that.

Read the thread more closely.

This may be a case of me not seeing the wood for the trees but I don't see anyone here saying you can't do a lawful protest

The police literally did that yesterday

Is it what the majority of the people wanted? If so the police are doing their job

Fair play for being honest.

I'm not super interested in your justification for your extremist opinion to be honest. But I support your right to express it, regardless.

And to be fair, I’m not at all interested in your support of extremism. That’s your right, so go fill your boots

Freedom of expression and freedom to protest is now "extremism" that tells you everything.

I don't know what their alternative is. As I've said before this isn't a top issue for me. But I firmly believe we should be allowed to express dissent and to protest.

In theory at least, we'd be able to vote for someone else. Currently, if we end up with a celebrity clown. We'd be stuck with them.

I'm not in favour of anyone spoiling the day for others. That didn't seem to be the case. And shouldn't be used as a call to either live with it or emigrate.

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