FabSwingers.com forum: Electric Vehicle sale restrictions coming?

By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Is the government going to restrict the sake of EV's due to lack of capacity on the Grid to charge them?

They are already legislating that chargers by default do not start charging between 5pm and 8pm.

Grid capacity is not infinite and currently reliant on up to 65% Gas fired generation as it stands today. They are already delaying the closure of coal and old nuclear power stations.

With price of fuel, like me, many have and others are ordering EVs.

Something has to give..

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"Is the government going to restrict the sake of EV's due to lack of capacity on the Grid to charge them?

They are already legislating that chargers by default do not start charging between 5pm and 8pm.

Grid capacity is not infinite and currently reliant on up to 65% Gas fired generation as it stands today. They are already delaying the closure of coal and old nuclear power stations.

With price of fuel, like me, many have and others are ordering EVs.

Something has to give.."

The government are ridiculous. They'll do anything to prop up the fossil fuels industry.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Solar Panels and Solar Batteries.

Then you can generate your own power, store it and release it back to your own vehicle.

You could in theory end all dependence on the government and fossil-fuel industries for power supply and become entirely self-sufficient.

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Solar Panels and Solar Batteries.

Then you can generate your own power, store it and release it back to your own vehicle.

You could in theory end all dependence on the government and fossil-fuel industries for power supply and become entirely self-sufficient.

Not that easy if you cannot fit solar panels etc. Live in tower blocks etc. Even for people who can fit. Cost to fit ? . Plus if can only charge at evening or night. What happens if a night worker ? 12 hour shifts. Start at 6pm , finish 6am. ?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Transferable ready charged batteries ?

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Transferable ready charged batteries ? "

Would that not mean . All manufacturers use standard battery. Plus nationwide places to remove / fit replacement. I am not sure how long at present to remove / fit replacement. ?

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

"Solar Panels and Solar Batteries.

Then you can generate your own power, store it and release it back to your own vehicle.

You could in theory end all dependence on the government and fossil-fuel industries for power supply and become entirely self-sufficient.

That's exactly my plan.

9.6kw now on the roof, 40kw batteries and a 14kw Heat Battery for Hot Water. If my bill is more than £300, including £170 Standing Charges and charging the car the next 12 months, then something is badly wrong.

However.. there is still not enough capacity on the Grid as it stands today. Right through from January, Gas fired is running between 40% and 75%. This morning was 42% at 9:15am. Remove Gas out the mix and we're completely phucked..

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

"Is the government going to restrict the sake of EV's due to lack of capacity on the Grid to charge them?

They are already legislating that chargers by default do not start charging between 5pm and 8pm.

Grid capacity is not infinite and currently reliant on up to 65% Gas fired generation as it stands today. They are already delaying the closure of coal and old nuclear power stations.

With price of fuel, like me, many have and others are ordering EVs.

Something has to give.."

Stevie wonder could have seen that coming

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Must be obsolete technology..

Sad Boy!!

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Strange how you like your smart remarks, then again, it's not just my posts on receiving end of them so won't take it personally.

Over the last three weeks, I've put together and sold 12x 4.5kw systems, with batteries, inverters, car chargers and hot water diverters, some with heat batteries and done very well for myself in the process.

The post was an observation of what is happening to car charger legislation and possibility of what's to come as the Grid cannot cope, if it continues and had feck all to do with renewables.

But, here we go, here comes uninformed childish snipe - make you feel good?

Or you just jealous I pay a fraction of the uncapped rates you have over there..

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I think if you can harness all the power generated by men wanking, some sort of friction based wrist dynamo.

There's enough free energy to last forever

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Already have one..

A watch that winds itself!!

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Strange why manufacturers are now seriously looking at hydrogen, looks like EV is going to be a stop gap.

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over a year ago

"Is the government going to restrict the sake of EV's due to lack of capacity on the Grid to charge them?

They are already legislating that chargers by default do not start charging between 5pm and 8pm.

Grid capacity is not infinite and currently reliant on up to 65% Gas fired generation as it stands today. They are already delaying the closure of coal and old nuclear power stations.

With price of fuel, like me, many have and others are ordering EVs.

Something has to give..

The government are ridiculous. They'll do anything to prop up the fossil fuels industry."

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By *ackf1012Man
over a year ago

carlow

"Solar Panels and Solar Batteries.

Then you can generate your own power, store it and release it back to your own vehicle.

You could in theory end all dependence on the government and fossil-fuel industries for power supply and become entirely self-sufficient.

That's exactly my plan.

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if you only had battery storage an charge in off peak hours and use in at peak hours there is saving to be made ,

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Depends how long the off peak charger rate carries on for. Although I'll be looking at it when contract finishes in 2024.

It's 00:50 now on 11th June. The UK's Gas fired Electricity is standing at 25%.

Even tonight, on a windy night, cars, batteries and houses are using electricity based on a substantial amount of Gas.

At 6.5 to 7p/kw, generators and electricity suppliers are loosing a fortune every night.

Will it continue or will a case be put forward to suspend or withdraw it?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"Strange why manufacturers are now seriously looking at hydrogen, looks like EV is going to be a stop gap. "

I suspect that is because of a desire to "gatekeep" a technology within the hands of a few (creation / storage / distribution / supply).

It's replacing one protected system with another. It's dis-empowering and restrictive.

With a Class G (2v) stellar object up there in the sky beaming down saying "come and get free energy here", the end is increasingly nigh for fossil fuels, and I don't think the move to another gate-keeped alternative is going to be that attractive to a lot of people.

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By *TDHGentMan
over a year ago

Worcs

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By *TDHGentMan
over a year ago

Worcs

Power stations only operate a small margin of extra capacity to increase profit. One power station collapses it takes all the others down with it catastrophic collapse!

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

Don't worry about it still plenty of oil underground to use.

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By *itygamesMan
over a year ago

Self charging cars i guess would help.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

With price of fuel, like me, many have and others are ordering EVs.

Something has to give.."

Out of interest what EV are you interested in… just because the price of those over the years have risen to thee point when they would be a brilliant alternative option but they are pricing themselves out of a lot of peoples reach…

Take the Tesla model 3… it’s about as good a car as I have had the option of driving and would be great

I was on the original model 3 waiting list… when the waiting list first went live it was being quoted at 35000… and that also qualified it for a 4k ev government discount on top… 31k.. really tempted

And then the prices being quoted started going up for various reasons… to the point where I had to say.. can I?… then to the point of .. nope! Back burner

The car is currently priced at 50000.. and is above any government discount

At the moment the technology is there but the pricing isn’t

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

First one - Nissan Leaf 42kw on 3yr lease with option to swap or give back after year 2.

10,000 miles with 8p surcharge per mile over. Cheaper to pay surcharge if over 10k than pay for miles that mat not get clocked in the lease.

After 2yrs, second hand market will be glutted with low mileage lease cars so plan to purchase a KIA Niro then or re-lease. Wanted one now but long waiting and £1200/yr more. I still run a diesel for towing so lower range doesn't matter yet as just need 4 wheels I can charge for free.

£260 per month all in, no deposit and services, insurance and tyres included.

To compare, 10 year old Nissan Note at 10,000 miles works out at £1.76/litre around £2900 per year. Based on using 20p/kw to charge, new Leaf £3200 all in and fixed.

If Petrol rises another 10p per litre, it breaks even. Although I've allowed £500 for Grid charges, the reality is, this is worse case and will actually be around £150 over winter due to Solar being the main source for 10 months.

I don't understand why everyone wants Tesla, over rated and far better and cheaper other options available.

It due beginning of July and at £120 to fill the diesel yesterday, my eyes are smarting.

Hope this helps.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Strange why manufacturers are now seriously looking at hydrogen, looks like EV is going to be a stop gap.

I suspect that is because of a desire to "gatekeep" a technology within the hands of a few (creation / storage / distribution / supply).

It's replacing one protected system with another. It's dis-empowering and restrictive.

It does however impact on the environment far less than batteries .

I personally think various modes of transport energy will be used just as we do today but all a lot cleaner.

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By *ustusboth2013Couple
over a year ago

Birmingham

What’s your thoughts on subscription based versus leasing?

Comparing my costs today on £500 per month sub, it’s no different to what I pay with my petrol car.

However, I’ve been looking at the likes of Onto and Evogo lately and putting it through the company.

As a Director, I already use my salary sacrifice but as an all inclusive option, writing it as a company expense, VAT registered, low BIK, it good be an interesting alternative.

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By *itzi999Woman
over a year ago

Slough

I’m hesitant because a lot of the parts (eg sensors) for cars are made in Ukraine, so it’s at least a year’s waiting list to buy any new car. Added to this, as electricity bills will soar, so will the running costs of an electric car. They are fantastic to drive, and I’ve test driven a BMW x4 and a Tesla too. However, I think I’ll wait a little bit longer.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Transferable ready charged batteries ?

Would that not mean . All manufacturers use standard battery. Plus nationwide places to remove / fit replacement. I am not sure how long at present to remove / fit replacement. ? "

We have standard plugs and batteries for equipment so why not?

Battery technology has always been the restriction. If they can make them smaller, more powerful and uniform it’s all down to who’s the cheapest manufacturer. Fuel today works on the same principal.

Cars can be adapted to exchange batteries in minutes. It’s part of the ongoing research.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Battery electric cars are old tech over 100 yrs old hydrogen is the future.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Battery electric cars are old tech over 100 yrs old hydrogen is the future."

Pretty sure they didn't have battery powered electric car's 100 year's ago!

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Battery electric cars are old tech over 100 yrs old hydrogen is the future.

Pretty sure they didn't have battery powered electric car's 100 year's ago!"

I bet they did.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

"Battery electric cars are old tech over 100 yrs old hydrogen is the future.

Pretty sure they didn't have battery powered electric car's 100 year's ago!"

Lumpy lead acids, they did, just scrapped 600kg lead acid batteries used for last 8yrs to power the house.

You can thank Henry Ford and the oil companies for taking the route they did. Also curious that Ford are the last to adopt.

My choice is clear, like for like swap of a 10 year old car first brand new one for the same price.

As pretty much all the charging is free, it isolates me from further petrol price increases as I'm in contract for electricity at 20p/kw until 2025 and I'll have more leisure miles and not need worry about costs.

It is the fixed costs and new car that convinced me. Either way, I won't be pumping shit loads of CO2 into the atmosphere when I drive.

Not sure what you mean by subscription and lease you are referring to?

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By *ick270Man
over a year ago

Here

One thing I have not seen mentioned,lack of people to repair them,there is a general lack of mechanics/ technicians,just like the hgv drives,those leaving the trade are not being replaced,and the older ones not keen to learn.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Battery electric cars are old tech over 100 yrs old hydrogen is the future.

Pretty sure they didn't have battery powered electric car's 100 year's ago!"

I think they actually pre date petrol cars. First ones used in the mid to late 18 hundreds

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Same reasons Rudolph Diesel got pushed into the sea.

Oil companies protecting their interests.. destroying our planet in the process.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Transferable ready charged batteries ?

Would that not mean . All manufacturers use standard battery. Plus nationwide places to remove / fit replacement. I am not sure how long at present to remove / fit replacement. ?

We have standard plugs and batteries for equipment so why not?

Cars can be adapted to exchange batteries in minutes. It’s part of the ongoing research. "

The swapping of batteries has been around for a while as a concept. A few years ago a company was going to do it but for whatever reason did not go ahead. it was pre pandemic so maybe that scuppered the plans. I think a new company is looking at the same thing so it may happen. It works on the principal of leasing the battery instead of buying it as part of the car. The batteries in development now are solid state so liquid. Charging time less than half, range doubled and costs just over half of today's batteries. Could be a while before you see them widely used but it's positive if you excuse the pun

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Transferable ready charged batteries ?

Would that not mean . All manufacturers use standard battery. Plus nationwide places to remove / fit replacement. I am not sure how long at present to remove / fit replacement. ?

We have standard plugs and batteries for equipment so why not?

Cars can be adapted to exchange batteries in minutes. It’s part of the ongoing research.

I love the pun.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Used car batteries will end up recycled in houses. They are deemed exhausted for road at 80% charge holding.

This means a 64kw battery, still can hold 49kw usable charge and would last up to 25 years.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Electric Vehicle Grant of £1500 withdrawn with "immediate effect".

Too many cars being sold?

Surely, they'd want to encourage as many EVs onto the roads to reduce demand for petrol and diesel?

Oh, did someone say the Grid is creaking?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Electric Vehicle Grant of £1500 withdrawn with "immediate effect".

Too many cars being sold?"

I suspect that it's just that EVs are starting to get attractive. There's no point in the government paying a subsidy to encourage uptake if people are already buying them.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

There's more to it..

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

So every other Grant gets an end date, a last chance date.

With "immediate effect"?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Hopefully they will make them pay road tax too very soon.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

I have enough drive space to park 3 articulated lorries. Despite this space, I can only have a slow charger as the overhead power supply feeds my property and the neighbours, a shared supply. Still this is rated at 200A, but the earthing for the meter to the property will not allow the fast charger to be fitted.

So, not just those in flats, many houses can't fit suitable chargers.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

When you say Earthing, is this also the case for a PEN charger?

What about separate Earthing Rod at the chargers location which is required on a non-PEN installation?

What size fuse is on your main DNO Incomer? 60, 80 or 100amp?

Fast charger 7kw Single Phase or 22kw three phase?

If you install a charger with Grid power limit CT clamps, it won't allow you to draw more than your incoming supply is rated.

A 7kw charger needs a 32amp supply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Transferable ready charged batteries ? "

Nio, the Chinese electric car company does that. You book an appointment on an app and get into one of their charging centres. The battery will be replaced in 5 minutes. Tesla considered this idea long back but gave up for some reason. They may want to reconsider.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"Hopefully they will make them pay road tax too very soon."

Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

Some people would have purchased their vehicles specifically for this reason. To legally avoid having to pay a road tax.

And yet you want to charge them. Why ?

Why not join them and enjoy the same benefit ?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Road tax doesn’t just pay for the roads so there will be another tax along soon to make up the gap. Mileage maybe . The date can automatically be uploaded and a charge sent out.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

One of the reasons the UK invested a huge amount in the European Galileo Satellite navigation system, only to have the funds stolen after Brexit.

They took the money and booted us out claiming "security issues" of a non EU member having access to EUs navigation data.

Hence, we set off on our own course with a conglomerate with Russia, only to again have our fingers burnt as Russians are now refusing to launch OneWeb satellites. There was a set sat on the last rocket where UK government could not give assurances to Russia the Satellites won't be used against them.

Happy Days - Elon Musk will cone to save the day and our government will get their dream of Black Boxes installed to cars for 'pay per mile' billing with different charging zones and roads.

I see sales of Jammers rocketing once launched, although it could be compared to MOT data to ensure you're 'playing nicely.

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

"Transferable ready charged batteries ?

I read somewhere Tesla regarded as uneconomic to have battery changing. Plus very major redesign of their vehicles to allow for fast battery changing. Same as most makes . I think the Chinese cars were designed to do this on initial design . Not as an afterthought. ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

I'm doing some work for a client that's looking at electric car battery refurbishment.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"Road tax doesn’t just pay for the roads so there will be another tax along soon to make up the gap."

There is no road tax, it's a car tax, and it isn't used to pay for the roads. The Road Fund ended in 1937.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

"I'm doing some work for a client that's looking at electric car battery refurbishment.

Snap, but not for cars.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Hopefully they will make them pay road tax too very soon.

Sounds like the politics of envy to me.

Some people would have purchased their vehicles specifically for this reason. To legally avoid having to pay a road tax.

And yet you want to charge them. Why ?

Why not join them and enjoy the same benefit ?"
Political envy

how the hell did you come to that conclusion from what i wrote ??????????

Electric cars do as much damage to roads as others and so should contribute like everyone else, i already pay 100,s of pounds extra a year to someone who has small car which i except thats my choice which thank god we still have at the moment.

It was an incentive to get people to switch and as more people do the revenue will go down and they will get the money another way.Theres no such thing as a free ride.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole notion of electric vehicles on curent infrastructure is ludicrous. Imagine if half of UK cars were electric...If it were us we'd start by focussing heavily on reducing public transport costs and actively encourage work from home.

That said, it's pretty obvious the government is just paying lip service as there are so many local councils knocking down perfectly good buildings rather than renovating them....The extra carbon load evidently doesn't matter when it comes to brown envelopes to chums in the building industry.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

I'd have no objection to contributing to wear and tear of roads as long as it is 100% used for this.

It's not my choice that the car being delivered in the next few weeks is exempt, it was made for me.

Even paying a nominal rate, it still works out cheaper than a dino-fuelled car to run.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Transferable ready charged batteries ?

Yes. Nio is a relatively new company and when the company was founded, this was mentioned as one of their USP.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I'd have no objection to contributing to wear and tear of roads as long as it is 100% used for this.

It's not my choice that the car being delivered in the next few weeks is exempt, it was made for me.

Even paying a nominal rate, it still works out cheaper than a dino-fuelled car to run."
Yes we all know you like to save money how many of those free covid tests do you still have btw ? but some people who dont mind spending prefer to spend it on what they want its called freedom of choice.Very happy to see you are happy to pay though.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

79 kits left - at a rate of one per week, given 10 kits to friends, neighbours and school kids. 6 showed positive where there was resistance to purchase their own, so they would have gone on to spread it not knowing!! Especially as two more Omicron varieties now spreading within the population.

Public Service.. want one?

Assume, that's answered your question? Then again, I should never ASSUME as it may make an ASS out of U and ME.

I resent paying £400 per year for a diesel with lower emissions and better fuel economy than a Nissan Note and Ford Fiesta, at £150 and less than £30 respectively. Even fully loaded it returns better MPG than the Fiesta both round town and motorway.

Completely skewed the way calculated.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"79 kits left - at a rate of one per week, given 10 kits to friends, neighbours and school kids. 6 showed positive where there was resistance to purchase their own, so they would have gone on to spread it not knowing!! Especially as two more Omicron varieties now spreading within the population.

Public Service.. want one?

Assume, that's answered your question? Then again, I should never ASSUME as it may make an ASS out of U and ME.

Completely skewed the way calculated."
good to know tax payers money has been well spent and not just sitting idol in a draw.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Did you not read: one per week and given to those in need. Expiry dates Feb 2024, 79 weeks worth left and used long before they expire.

Considering also that this government has been responsible for wasting £11 billion on defunct PPE, £14 billion on fraudulent furlough claims, £3 billion on an app that most IT companies would have produced for a fraction, half a million investigating Partygate, half a million on an empty aircraft plus legal and barristers costs - the list goes on.

Yet, you have a gripe that I took a few extra tests to protect others.

Dear me!!

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Did you not read: one per week and given to those in need. Expiry dates Feb 2024, 79 weeks worth left and used long before they expire.

Yet, you have a gripe that I took a few extra tests to protect others.

Dear me!!

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A few

no it just shows me a glimpse of the character of a person.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Suppose buying £65's worth of items from Sainsburys to get a 6p fuel vouchers, then return for refund item is again your high standards too. LOL.

Quite frankly my dear- I couldn't give a phuck. Like many you meet in life "I'm alright Jack".

You have no idea what I do in and for my local community (including supplying free test kits for those in need and cannot afford them), the help I give to others, yet you claim you can judge a person from a few paragraphs of text.

What a very short sighted, shallow man you are..

Right - now I just need to workout where to find the £230 to cover the next 12 months energy bills.

My father always said, be careful, the world is full of Cunny Funts!!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

What about a solar panel on the car.

Charge the battery up when it is not being used, bit like the instrument/house battery set up on a boat.

You charge the battery up when it is parked up, then drive off when it has been topped up.

Not sure on what size panel you would need though.

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

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By *rFunBoy OP Man
over a year ago

Longridge

Not enough power, unless you want to nip to the shops once a week.

Domestic high efficiency glass panels are 21% efficient for the area. Current, 1.6 Square meters will give 400watts. A car charger runs nominally at 7000watts.

When you get to flexible and moulded panels, at least half it. Not everyday is a sunny day and needs to be parked out of shady areas.

One day maybe in many years to come.

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