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"Ooh, I'm hoping to go to this one "I hope you do too! Would be great to finally meet you  | |||
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"My name is down for this one  "Yey! I'll finally get to meet you too.  | |||
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"Is there an advert for the social ? We’re interested " I don't think there is yet, but all the details are on this profile: https://m.fabswingers.com/profile/upthebrum_socials | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe " Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men. | |||
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"Oooh interesting! Is there a public guestlist anywhere?" No, not at the moment. | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men. "Cool the more the merrier | |||
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"Would be on a work day wouldn't it "Oh no! You work nights then? | |||
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"We messaged today. They are currently full for couples. But they have a reserve list as there are some on it who haven’t confirmed yet. You have to message the profile directly." That's a shame, but these things do usually get some drop outs, so it's worth keeping an eye on the profile. There are still. spaces for single females and males if anyone is interested. It's looking to be a brilliant night. | |||
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"I am interested but have never been very intrigued by it however I like to be discreet and will be very nervous and shy." I'm often nervous and shy, but it's just chatting with a lovely bunch of people, so it will be fine. | |||
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"Extra Special K and PinkGinDreams, looking forward to seeing you and saying hi "Will be great yes and also will be a great night for everyone. Brum has needed its own social meeting for a while and being run by great people.  | |||
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"Extra Special K and PinkGinDreams, looking forward to seeing you and saying hi "Likewise, sounds fun & see you there xx | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men. "That’s not the impression I got from ‘single men will be extensively vetted’.  | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men.
That’s not the impression I got from ‘single men will be extensively vetted’. "What do you mean? They are still vetting the single males. | |||
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"I've hotlisted them to join a potential future one " Oh, can't make this one? | |||
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"Oh couples are full?? "By the look of it, not everyone has confirmed they are going yet, so some spaces may still become free. | |||
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"Oh couples are full??
By the look of it, not everyone has confirmed they are going yet, so some spaces may still become free."They just winked so we sent a friend request and a message to be added to the list lol x fingers crossed x | |||
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"Yay we're going!! So excited to meet you all "Excellent! Glad you got in. It'll be good to meet you. Who else wants to come along? | |||
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"I've hotlisted them to join a potential future one " We’ve just done the same. We’ve been to a Birmingham social before but wasn’t arranged by the same profile J x | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men.
That’s not the impression I got from ‘single men will be extensively vetted’.
What do you mean? They are still vetting the single males. "Vetting  | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men.
That’s not the impression I got from ‘single men will be extensively vetted’.
What do you mean? They are still vetting the single males.
Vetting "Maybe not the best term, but you have seen and heard how some people act on here haven't you? | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men.
That’s not the impression I got from ‘single men will be extensively vetted’.
What do you mean? They are still vetting the single males.
Vetting
Maybe not the best term, but you have seen and heard how some people act on here haven't you?"Not me but no worries OP. I can see it's more of a private party vibe so I'll withdraw my interest. Hope it all goes well. | |||
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"My Name's on the List.. So I'll be there for a couple of hours as I'm also working that weekend " Excellent. It'll be good meeting you. You too Virgo and WonderWoman. Being able to get actually meet so many people from the site is going to be great | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men.
That’s not the impression I got from ‘single men will be extensively vetted’.
What do you mean? They are still vetting the single males.
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Maybe not the best term, but you have seen and heard how some people act on here haven't you?"Yep, there are some dickheads, absolutely. But they can be anywhere, in any situation and at any time. Someone could seem completely fine but then act up without warning. As adults it’s up to us to have the wherewithal to deal with it. So I’m not sure what that approach is trying to achieve. It comes across as suggesting single blokes are guilty until arbitrarily proven innocent and that they are a risk to be mitigated. It seems anything but social and yet that is the aspect that is repeatedly banged on about here as being vital. I know it looks like I’ve gone a bit shouty and soapbox on this, I’m not self-ignorant enough to not see how it may read, but I’ve never seen another social advertised here that vets potential attendees. Nor have I ever heard of it being done on the Fet scene, where it would be arguably more necessary given the difference in potential follow-up meets. | |||
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"We are going, but couples & single fems only I believe Nope. I'm going!
They just wanted to fill out the couples and single females a bit before allowing the single men.
That’s not the impression I got from ‘single men will be extensively vetted’.
What do you mean? They are still vetting the single males.
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Maybe not the best term, but you have seen and heard how some people act on here haven't you?
Yep, there are some dickheads, absolutely. But they can be anywhere, in any situation and at any time. Someone could seem completely fine but then act up without warning. As adults it’s up to us to have the wherewithal to deal with it.
So I’m not sure what that approach is trying to achieve. It comes across as suggesting single blokes are guilty until arbitrarily proven innocent and that they are a risk to be mitigated.
It seems anything but social and yet that is the aspect that is repeatedly banged on about here as being vital.
I know it looks like I’ve gone a bit shouty and soapbox on this, I’m not self-ignorant enough to not see how it may read, but I’ve never seen another social advertised here that vets potential attendees.
Nor have I ever heard of it being done on the Fet scene, where it would be arguably more necessary given the difference in potential follow-up meets."I've never been to a social before, this is the first I've managed to go to, so I honestly don't know how most are run. I'm also not running this or spoken to the organisers before, I'm just excited to see who is going and to meet new people
But from what I have seen from past adverts, many do actually vet (and some probably do without saying they do). Just looking through this channel, the next one mentioned which is Leeds says they vet everyone and then the following one doesn't even allow single guys, so it doesn't seem as odd as you make out.
I can see it from your point of view though, but personally, I think too much is being read into something that they are doing to try and make all other attendees feel safe, comfortable and relaxed, which is important for many especially the single ladies that may want to attend.
I see it as a positive rather than a negative, and it's one of the reasons I'm happier going to this as a first social than some of the others. | |||
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"Everyone is free to run their socials their own way, and how they feel comfortable. And no one is forced to apply for an invite ! As said, this one's not my style but lots of good people going and I'm sure it will be a fun night. "Exactly, thank you.
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"I can see it from your point of view though, but personally, I think too much is being read into something that they are doing to try and make all other attendees feel safe, comfortable and relaxed, which is important for many especially the single ladies that may want to attend. I see it as a positive rather than a negative, and it's one of the reasons I'm happier going to this as a first social than some of the others." The safety ethos isn’t lost on me and of course it is entirely valid.
Over-analysis? Possibly….I’ve been known to do that on occasion.  Maybe it just seems odd to me that I can potentially get into the intimate environment of a swingers club with only an entry free (depending upon the event), but I need to be checked out to go to a free social in a presumably vanilla venue (which on any other night, for the same attendees, would be freely accessible).
Maybe some clarity on what the vetting entails would be nice, e.g. green arrowing, etc?
That said, it’s not my event so I appreciate it’s not my call. I’ll stop chewing up all the thread space now. | |||
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"I can see it from your point of view though, but personally, I think too much is being read into something that they are doing to try and make all other attendees feel safe, comfortable and relaxed, which is important for many especially the single ladies that may want to attend. I see it as a positive rather than a negative, and it's one of the reasons I'm happier going to this as a first social than some of the others. The safety ethos isn’t lost on me and of course it is entirely valid.
Over-analysis? Possibly….I’ve been known to do that on occasion. Maybe it just seems odd to me that I can potentially get into the intimate environment of a swingers club with only an entry free (depending upon the event), but I need to be checked out to go to a free social in a presumably vanilla venue (which on any other night, for the same attendees, would be freely accessible).
Maybe some clarity on what the vetting entails would be nice, e.g. green arrowing, etc?
That said, it’s not my event so I appreciate it’s not my call. I’ll stop chewing up all the thread space now. "I guess clubs are different as they require you to provide ID and pay for membership (quite a lot for single guys) before entering, so people are much more likely to behave well. This is a free event and no ID is required, so there is much less consequences for any bad behaviour. | |||
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"I can see it from your point of view though, but personally, I think too much is being read into something that they are doing to try and make all other attendees feel safe, comfortable and relaxed, which is important for many especially the single ladies that may want to attend. I see it as a positive rather than a negative, and it's one of the reasons I'm happier going to this as a first social than some of the others. The safety ethos isn’t lost on me and of course it is entirely valid.
Over-analysis? Possibly….I’ve been known to do that on occasion. Maybe it just seems odd to me that I can potentially get into the intimate environment of a swingers club with only an entry free (depending upon the event), but I need to be checked out to go to a free social in a presumably vanilla venue (which on any other night, for the same attendees, would be freely accessible).
Maybe some clarity on what the vetting entails would be nice, e.g. green arrowing, etc?
That said, it’s not my event so I appreciate it’s not my call. I’ll stop chewing up all the thread space now. "I can see your concern or at least disquiet regarding the word ‘vetting’ and yes, there’s an element of safeguarding to it (as there is with all attendees) but there’s also the question of ensuring that the single guys actually attend. I’ve been to several large social events, spoken to many organisers and i know many more attendees of large events and the issue is very often that people will say that they will go but flake at the last minute and the vast majority of those are single guys. This can leave socials with low attendance, with bad names and even with collapse. Vetting means that those going are serious, not time wasters and actually real people who will be positive members of the social. Most socials will do this and have stipulations that those attending are verified or pay deposits. It’s nothing to be afraid of or to baulk at | |||
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"We had a freinds request from the profile , we messaged but no reply. The profile is new and does keep updating status about the social but no communication. We just left it as it is ." The couple who run it (UntrepidExplorers) have been here some time, so it’s likely that they’re just busy. | |||
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"Shame I can’t make this one! Fingers crossed I’m free next time xx " Fingers are crossed | |||
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Also, who else wants to go? There are still spaces and looking like it's going to be a great night full of lovely people | |||
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"*looking*" Go on! It'll be fun | |||
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"It's my first too! So we can all be nervous newbies together
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"I’ve been to several large social events, spoken to many organisers and i know many more attendees of large events and the issue is very often that people will say that they will go but flake at the last minute and the vast majority of those are single guys. This can leave socials with low attendance, with bad names and even with collapse. " OK, hands up….I hadn’t thought of it in the context of no-shows. I know people duck out all the time, but hadn’t appreciated it could be to the extent of jeopardising an event. | |||
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"I’ve been to several large social events, spoken to many organisers and i know many more attendees of large events and the issue is very often that people will say that they will go but flake at the last minute and the vast majority of those are single guys. This can leave socials with low attendance, with bad names and even with collapse. OK, hands up….I hadn’t thought of it in the context of no-shows. I know people duck out all the time, but hadn’t appreciated it could be to the extent of jeopardising an event." Most socials deal with this by asking for recent meet veris for all invites, not just single men. | |||
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"Hotel booked near the venue, hopefully see you all there for fun & games x" Ooh! Hotel! I keep forgetting to book one. I'd best got on with that | |||
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"*looking* Go on! It'll be fun "Oh go on then.. Gotta love a night upthebrum | |||
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"Hotel booked near the venue, hopefully see you all there for fun & games x Ooh! Hotel! I keep forgetting to book one. I'd best got on with that "You had where else are we going to go for the after party | |||
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"*looking* Go on! It'll be fun
Oh go on then.. Gotta love a night upthebrum "Excellent! Looking forward to seeing you | |||
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"Hotel booked near the venue, hopefully see you all there for fun & games x Ooh! Hotel! I keep forgetting to book one. I'd best got on with that
You had where else are we going to go for the after party "Is the party coming back to mine then? I'd better book a big room | |||
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"Hotel booked near the venue, hopefully see you all there for fun & games x Ooh! Hotel! I keep forgetting to book one. I'd best got on with that
You had where else are we going to go for the after party
Is the party coming back to mine then?
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"Nice one Cockosaurus, looks like a few of us coming back to yours for a party afterwards! "Not me! I'll be jumping on the bus home ready for work at 5am! | |||
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"Nice one Cockosaurus, looks like a few of us coming back to yours for a party afterwards!
Not me! I'll be jumping on the bus home ready for work at 5am! "That's a shame, but we'll make sure to party harder to make up for your absence. | |||
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" That's a shame, but we'll make sure to party harder to make up for your absence. " Oh thanks mate lol | |||
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"Don't say where!!"
No, I'd best not.
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"Surely you’re able to mention your tent located on 5-ways island?! "Just stay in the pagoda | |||
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked?" If men are signing up I’d like to be on the list | |||
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked?" Blimey, that’s some way to come for a social! You do know I’ve got no plans to go, right….?
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked?" I commented previously on why and how people are vetted for attending, it needs to be fair but also those signing up should be attending | |||
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked? If men are signing up I’d like to be on the list" If you message the organisers directly, they can help you | |||
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked? Blimey, that’s some way to come for a social! You do know I’ve got no plans to go, right….?
Oh….that’s why you signed up."Who are you again?! | |||
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked? I commented previously on why and how people are vetted for attending, it needs to be fair but also those signing up should be attending " Yeah I get this. Both valid points. | |||
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked? Blimey, that’s some way to come for a social! You do know I’ve got no plans to go, right….?
Oh….that’s why you signed up.
Who are you again?! "I’m hurt. Cut to the bone. Also, completely unsurprised. | |||
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I live in the City Centre so should be walking distance | |||
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"I've just made contact and hopefully there will be space for me
I live in the City Centre so should be walking distance "Excellent! The more the merrier! | |||
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"From the gist of the messages from the organisers and the information they have sent out they allow a certain amount of spaces for couples, single ladies and single males so that there is a nice mix of everyone. Everyone who has confirmed will have been contacted by the organisers I believe. And yes as someone else has said if you are confirmed its seen that you are attending. If you can’t they ask that you let them know so the place can be offered to someone else. Their status today says there is availability still for singles of both sex." I did message a few days ago and the message was read but no reply. I'm guessing I've been rejected as that is the standard meaning behind no reply on fab! | |||
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"From the gist of the messages from the organisers and the information they have sent out they allow a certain amount of spaces for couples, single ladies and single males so that there is a nice mix of everyone. Everyone who has confirmed will have been contacted by the organisers I believe. And yes as someone else has said if you are confirmed its seen that you are attending. If you can’t they ask that you let them know so the place can be offered to someone else. Their status today says there is availability still for singles of both sex. I did message a few days ago and the message was read but no reply. I'm guessing I've been rejected as that is the standard meaning behind no reply on fab! "I think they have just been busy. Hopefully they should get back to you soon. | |||
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"Is there a reason why the organisers haven't opened a thread themselves? Can't help thinking some of the misunderstandings could have been avoided that way." Theyre a bit swamped with interest and like average guy says they've got other stuff on cockasaurus and I know them and have been chatting, so we'll be around on this thread to answer questions etc on their behalf to help out.
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divide and conquer!
Single women feel free to message me directly if needs be x | |||
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"I think they have been very professional in the logistical nightmare of organising this, and have my thanks as well as my admiration. " | |||
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"I think they have been very professional in the logistical nightmare of organising this, and have my thanks as well as my admiration. " Agreed, it's not easy, which is why Jessicagrace and I have stepped up to support them, as we all want this event to be the success we all want it to be. | |||
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"Is there a reason why the organisers haven't opened a thread themselves? Can't help thinking some of the misunderstandings could have been avoided that way. Theyre a bit swamped with interest and like average guy says they've got other stuff on cockasaurus and I know them and have been chatting, so we'll be around on this thread to answer questions etc on their behalf to help out.
"Oh ok, because the OP said above he didn't know them, and anyone with questions has been asked to message them. | |||
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"Is there a reason why the organisers haven't opened a thread themselves? Can't help thinking some of the misunderstandings could have been avoided that way. Theyre a bit swamped with interest and like average guy says they've got other stuff on cockasaurus and I know them and have been chatting, so we'll be around on this thread to answer questions etc on their behalf to help out.
Oh ok, because the OP said above he didn't know them, and anyone with questions has been asked to message them."I didn't before, and now only due to messaging about this. Hopefully us hopping into this position should help everyone out | |||
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"Hi where it it and when please ? Who do I need to message ? Would love to attend but depends on work " Hi! It's on the 20th November at a Birmingham City Centre location. To see more info check out https://m.fabswingers.com/profile/upthebrum_socials and if you want to get signed up, send them a message. | |||
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"Hi where it it and when please ? Who do I need to message ? Would love to attend but depends on work Hi! It's on the 20th November at a Birmingham City Centre location. To see more info check out https://m.fabswingers.com/profile/upthebrum_socials and if you want to get signed up, send them a message. " Thanks have messaged them Sounds like it could be fun | |||
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"I believe I signed up. But I hope men will be signed fairly? It doesn't feel right to make it some sort of competitive ground. Usually first come first served worked? Blimey, that’s some way to come for a social! You do know I’ve got no plans to go, right….?
Oh….that’s why you signed up.
Who are you again?!
I’m hurt. Cut to the bone.
Also, completely unsurprised.
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There are still some more spaces for single females if anyone is interested.
Looking to be a great night. | |||
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"It's almost fully booked up!
There are still some more spaces for single females if anyone is interested.
Looking to be a great night. "Looking forward to this | |||
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"Good Morning. Just picked up on this thread. Us and another couple shall be attending the evening "Hi! Excellent. It's going to be great chatting to and getting to actually know everyone | |||
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"Can't wait to meet everyone coming, looks like a wonderful bunch. Heads up about the telegram group chat that's incoming very soon "As I said to the Hosts, I've not got it (and won't), so I'm reliant on a message here or someone letting me know where and when.. But yeah, looking like a good night | |||
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"Can't wait to meet everyone coming, looks like a wonderful bunch. Heads up about the telegram group chat that's incoming very soon
As I said to the Hosts, I've not got it (and won't), so I'm reliant on a message here or someone letting me know where and when..
But yeah, looking like a good night "That's fine, we will make sure everyone is kept informed of anything they need to know. It just gives a way of people chatting amongst themselves privately before hand. | |||
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"Can't wait to meet everyone coming, looks like a wonderful bunch. Heads up about the telegram group chat that's incoming very soon
As I said to the Hosts, I've not got it (and won't), so I'm reliant on a message here or someone letting me know where and when..
But yeah, looking like a good night
That's fine, we will make sure everyone is kept informed of anything they need to know.
It just gives a way of people chatting amongst themselves privately before hand. "Much appreciated | |||
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"Well I’m going and so looking forward to it too!! If you’re going come say hi, I don’t bite honest! I may snog your face off, but will only bite if you ask nicely obvs! Only joking, I’m a good girl really xxxx"I'm not totally convinced you are that good  | |||
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"Well I’m going and so looking forward to it too!! If you’re going come say hi, I don’t bite honest! I may snog your face off, but will only bite if you ask nicely obvs! Only joking, I’m a good girl really xxxx
I'm not totally convinced you are that good "Oh I am I’m a very good girl! | |||
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"Cani come let me know where and when it is plz x " Hey, you'll have to message "UpTheBrum Socials" to see if there are any more spaces or cancellations for single men.
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"Dunno? Contact Upthebrum socials and they'll let you know. " Tried to find the thread but no luck! Could you be able to share correct name, please | |||
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"Dunno? Contact Upthebrum socials and they'll let you know. Tried to find the thread but no luck! Could you be able to share correct name, please " https://m.fabswingers.com/profile/upthebrum_socials | |||
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"Dunno? Contact Upthebrum socials and they'll let you know. Tried to find the thread but no luck! Could you be able to share correct name, please https://m.fabswingers.com/profile/upthebrum_socials" Oh Bless Thank you so much! | |||
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"Starting to get nervous now! " Shhh.. You'll be FINE! | |||
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"Can't wait to meet everyone coming, looks like a wonderful bunch. Heads up about the telegram group chat that's incoming very soon
As I said to the Hosts, I've not got it (and won't), so I'm reliant on a message here or someone letting me know where and when..
But yeah, looking like a good night
That's fine, we will make sure everyone is kept informed of anything they need to know.
It just gives a way of people chatting amongst themselves privately before hand.
Much appreciated "I can't message you, do you want to mail me? | |||
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" I can't message you, do you want to mail me?" Much appreciated Cock | |||
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"It's going to be a brilliant night. The guest list looks to be full of great people. Hope I have a chance to chat to everyone "To be fair, we will probably only end up chatting to those in the telegram group now we’ve built a bit of rapport. Be great to know them better. Especially in such a big environment | |||
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"It's going to be a brilliant night. The guest list looks to be full of great people. Hope I have a chance to chat to everyone
To be fair, we will probably only end up chatting to those in the telegram group now we’ve built a bit of rapport. Be great to know them better. Especially in such a big environment " | |||
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"It's going to be a brilliant night. The guest list looks to be full of great people. Hope I have a chance to chat to everyone
To be fair, we will probably only end up chatting to those in the telegram group now we’ve built a bit of rapport. Be great to know them better. Especially in such a big environment "Not if you're sitting in the corner | |||
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"It's going to be a brilliant night. The guest list looks to be full of great people. Hope I have a chance to chat to everyone
To be fair, we will probably only end up chatting to those in the telegram group now we’ve built a bit of rapport. Be great to know them better. Especially in such a big environment "Well, I'm glad I'm in the chat group then | |||
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"It's going to be a brilliant night. The guest list looks to be full of great people. Hope I have a chance to chat to everyone
To be fair, we will probably only end up chatting to those in the telegram group now we’ve built a bit of rapport. Be great to know them better. Especially in such a big environment
Not if you're sitting in the corner "Not any more | |||
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"It's going to be a brilliant night. The guest list looks to be full of great people. Hope I have a chance to chat to everyone
To be fair, we will probably only end up chatting to those in the telegram group now we’ve built a bit of rapport. Be great to know them better. Especially in such a big environment
Not if you're sitting in the corner
Not any more "Something tells me i don't think you guys are going to be 'sitting' in the corner.. | |||
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" Something tells me i don't think you guys are going to be 'sitting' in the corner.. " Even I'm not going to be sat in the corner! May not be on "Telegram" but I'll say hi to as many people as possible | |||
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" Something tells me i don't think you guys are going to be 'sitting' in the corner.. Even I'm not going to be sat in the corner! May not be on "Telegram" but I'll say hi to as many people as possible " Yeah, you don't need to be in the group really. Quite a few are, but then many aren't talking. The socialising will be in Brum, and I'm so excited for it | |||
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"Not long now people. X" Can't wait to get to my first proper social | |||
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"Would be interested in this" I'm not sure about spaces for single males, you'll have to check the organisers profile and message them. https://m.fabswingers.com/profile/upthebrum_socials | |||
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"Count me in plz. Thanks" I'm not the organiser sorry. Take a look at the UpTheBrum profile for details https://m.fabswingers.com/profile/upthebrum_socials | |||
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"We are over in Birmingham for the weekend we could be interested " Hopefully you can. It's looking to be a great night! | |||
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"Wow! Amazing social! Thanks to UpTheBrum for organising that. I'm really hoping there is another, and I'm on board to help even more is possible. If I met / missed anyone, feel free to message and say hi! " I've heard it was a great night x | |||
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