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"I watched part of the programme and couldn't help feeling that his responses weren't as "natural" as I'd expect them to be. I'd an uneasy feeling it was all too staged, that he'd been coached on how to respond, to within an inch of his life. It came over too, as almost being arrogant to the allegations." It was arrogant. He appears to think that we're all fools who will believe that as a senior member of the royal family his activities and whereabouts won't have been recorded for security and organisational reasons. | |||
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"What did he do " Where have you been?? He's been linked to the recently deceased and charged sexual predator Epstein in the USA, who also groomed young girls to "entertain" his wealthy male associates. That includes Prince Andrew. | |||
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"What did he do Where have you been?? He's been linked to the recently deceased and charged sexual predator Epstein in the USA, who also groomed young girls to "entertain" his wealthy male associates. That includes Prince Andrew." And trump, and bill clinton, and the saudi prince, kevin spacey and many other high up bankers and CEOs. Which is why he didnt commit suicide and was killed. As the entire circumstances around that nothing adds up. He had too much on everyone which would have come out in the court. Some people think hes not even dead and living life on a island or somthing and the whole story is a cover up. Either way he definitely did not kill himself of that I'm certain. | |||
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"What did he do Where have you been?? He's been linked to the recently deceased and charged sexual predator Epstein in the USA, who also groomed young girls to "entertain" his wealthy male associates. That includes Prince Andrew. And trump, and bill clinton, and the saudi prince, kevin spacey and many other high up bankers and CEOs. Which is why he didnt commit suicide and was killed. As the entire circumstances around that nothing adds up. He had too much on everyone which would have come out in the court. Some people think hes not even dead and living life on a island or somthing and the whole story is a cover up. Either way he definitely did not kill himself of that I'm certain. " How are you certain? | |||
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"I watched part of the programme and couldn't help feeling that his responses weren't as "natural" as I'd expect them to be. I'd an uneasy feeling it was all too staged, that he'd been coached on how to respond, to within an inch of his life. It came over too, as almost being arrogant to the allegations." My impression too. Funny, there haven't been many comments on this on social media etc but thousands of negative comments about Meghan spending Christmas with her mum. | |||
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"I watched part of the programme and couldn't help feeling that his responses weren't as "natural" as I'd expect them to be. I'd an uneasy feeling it was all too staged, that he'd been coached on how to respond, to within an inch of his life. It came over too, as almost being arrogant to the allegations. My impression too. Funny, there haven't been many comments on this on social media etc but thousands of negative comments about Meghan spending Christmas with her mum." All I've seen are negative comments. No one believes a word of it and, other than the conspiracy theorists, they pretty much say what has been said here | |||
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"What did he do Where have you been?? He's been linked to the recently deceased and charged sexual predator Epstein in the USA, who also groomed young girls to "entertain" his wealthy male associates. That includes Prince Andrew. And trump, and bill clinton, and the saudi prince, kevin spacey and many other high up bankers and CEOs. Which is why he didnt commit suicide and was killed. As the entire circumstances around that nothing adds up. He had too much on everyone which would have come out in the court. Some people think hes not even dead and living life on a island or somthing and the whole story is a cover up. Either way he definitely did not kill himself of that I'm certain. " I agree | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. " Oh thank you, they are brilliant! | |||
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"I didn't see it apart from the clips shown on the news and he did come across as rather cool and collected and rehearsed - whether he did or didn't do the things he's being accused of we'll probably never know, it's easy to get conspiracy theorist about, but it may also just be possible he's telling the truth, we'll never know for sure. To add some balance though he's in a no win situation, doing the interview leaves him wide open to the kind of comment on this thread, but if he didn't do it people would be asking what he had to hide. And of course he's going to be coached and rehearsed to within an inch of his life for an interview like that. Like I said the trappings of power mean we'll never know the full truth." I especially agree about the no win situation. | |||
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"We are subjects in his eyes, the viewing public. So anything he says we the unwashed and ill educated subjects to the Royal Family should just understand that theirs is a complicated life and not open to scrutiny or criticism. That's how he came across to me. He doesn't want to end up going to court and having perjure himself, so in his eyes and his advisors, it's best to put his side of the story out, on public record. This may discourage a prosecutor to call him to trial. I've always been ambivalent to Andrew, he actually served with distinction in the Falklands (from what I've read) so I've always ignored him. However for this scandal he's a lying toerag, who believes his words have more credence than the victim who has already given a legal statement to the prosecution in the US. Which could end up with her being prosecuted for perjury and has photographic proof as well. I truly hope this blows up in his face and more information and proof is disclosed to the public " So do I Ive been on the receiving end of arseholes who think they can hide behind their position, cos they are untouchable They make me sick | |||
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"What's a "pizza party" ?" I think it’s a euphemism for taking what you want and hiding behind privelige when the accusations start to fly. | |||
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"What's a "pizza party" ?" The savoury version of a mars bar party? | |||
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"As some have said we'll never know the truth but he has been extremely poorly advised. A short interview saying he'd made an error of judgment where Epstein was concerned and looking back he regrets his continued friendship with him, leaving out the mention of being honourable would have served him better I think. I think too that he might have been better advised to issue a written statement along with documents proving that he was where he claims to have been. As I said above he wouldn't have gone to Woking without it being recorded somewhere." Or.... has he been 'advised' in that way on purpose so he will be the untouchable fall guy? He will look guilty and people will direct blame at him instead of the rest of the dodgy group. | |||
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"As some have said we'll never know the truth but he has been extremely poorly advised. A short interview saying he'd made an error of judgment where Epstein was concerned and looking back he regrets his continued friendship with him, leaving out the mention of being honourable would have served him better I think. I think too that he might have been better advised to issue a written statement along with documents proving that he was where he claims to have been. As I said above he wouldn't have gone to Woking without it being recorded somewhere. Or.... has he been 'advised' in that way on purpose so he will be the untouchable fall guy? He will look guilty and people will direct blame at him instead of the rest of the dodgy group. " We'll never know. I can't imagine his personal advisers deliberately hanging him out to dry or the "firm" allowing it to happen. There must be a more disposable person. I guess only time will tell | |||
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"What did he do Where have you been?? He's been linked to the recently deceased and charged sexual predator Epstein in the USA, who also groomed young girls to "entertain" his wealthy male associates. That includes Prince Andrew. And trump, and bill clinton, and the saudi prince, kevin spacey and many other high up bankers and CEOs. Which is why he didnt commit suicide and was killed. As the entire circumstances around that nothing adds up. He had too much on everyone which would have come out in the court. Some people think hes not even dead and living life on a island or somthing and the whole story is a cover up. Either way he definitely did not kill himself of that I'm certain. " well for one the pic of him being removed from his cell, when put to an expert on facial expressions marks and positioning etc etc didn't match up to the most recent pic of the guy, and just like the Vegas shooting that story died way to quick whole thinks stinks fishy including Randy Andy's involvement, | |||
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"I watched part of the programme and couldn't help feeling that his responses weren't as "natural" as I'd expect them to be. I'd an uneasy feeling it was all too staged, that he'd been coached on how to respond, to within an inch of his life. It came over too, as almost being arrogant to the allegations. My impression too. Funny, there haven't been many comments on this on social media etc but thousands of negative comments about Meghan spending Christmas with her mum." Twitter has been awash for months | |||
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"Hes rich and privileged, to be honest I think they are all at it. However, she says she was "seduced" by Prince Andrew, doesn't that mean she fell for him and was a willing participant with him? I'm not talking about the Epstein part, just the HRH part." First - she was under the age of consent so couldn’t legally have given valid consent. Second - lots of abused and groomed children feel complicit in their abuse. They’re manipulated, controlled, coerced and rewarded in ways that encourage compliance. | |||
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"Hes rich and privileged, to be honest I think they are all at it. However, she says she was "seduced" by Prince Andrew, doesn't that mean she fell for him and was a willing participant with him? I'm not talking about the Epstein part, just the HRH part. First - she was under the age of consent so couldn’t legally have given valid consent. Second - lots of abused and groomed children feel complicit in their abuse. They’re manipulated, controlled, coerced and rewarded in ways that encourage compliance. " They are, I agree. However when I was around that age I fancied the pants of men of his age and would of if I had had the balls to flirt with them Disclaimer....not denying people are groomed, just putting the other side to it | |||
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"If the FBI are coming for him, perhaps we can exchange him for the lady our police want in connection with the Harry Dunn death. " !! | |||
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"That includes Prince Andrew. And trump, and bill clinton, and the saudi prince, kevin spacey and many other high up bankers and CEOs." Epstein and Lord Peter 'Mandy' Mandleson Epstein and Sarah Ferguson Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell (Let’s not forget that Ghislaine’s father, Robert Maxwell accidentally fell off his yacht, and drowned, in 1991. After his death he was found to have misappropriated around £460,000,000 from the pension funds of his various companies including the The Daily Mirror. Sound chap he had been a Member of Parliament.) Epstein and David Koch Epstein and The New York Post reporter Larry Celona, who first broke the news of Epstein’s “suicide attempt,” his successful “suicide,” and the pictures of his bodyguard links to travel on Epstein's aircraft. By sheer coincidence Larry Celona is an anagram of Royal Lancer. Guess who is the Deputy Colonel in Chief of the Royal Lancers? It's amazing how all these rich and powerful people get together. Other interesting things to learn about are Octopus PROMIS software and INSLAW software. | |||
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"That includes Prince Andrew. And trump, and bill clinton, and the saudi prince, kevin spacey and many other high up bankers and CEOs. Epstein and Lord Peter 'Mandy' Mandleson Epstein and Sarah Ferguson Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell (Let’s not forget that Ghislaine’s father, Robert Maxwell accidentally fell off his yacht, and drowned, in 1991. After his death he was found to have misappropriated around £460,000,000 from the pension funds of his various companies including the The Daily Mirror. Sound chap he had been a Member of Parliament.) Epstein and David Koch Epstein and The New York Post reporter Larry Celona, who first broke the news of Epstein’s “suicide attempt,” his successful “suicide,” and the pictures of his bodyguard links to travel on Epstein's aircraft. By sheer coincidence Larry Celona is an anagram of Royal Lancer. Guess who is the Deputy Colonel in Chief of the Royal Lancers? It's amazing how all these rich and powerful people get together. Other interesting things to learn about are Octopus PROMIS software and INSLAW software. " It’s really not that Interesting haha, if I was rich I would hang out with powerful and rich too | |||
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"It’s really not that Interesting haha, if I was rich I would hang out with powerful and rich too " We would love to hang out with Sir Philip Green. | |||
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"It’s really not that Interesting haha, if I was rich I would hang out with powerful and rich too We would love to hang out with Sir Philip Green." I’ll mention it to him next time I’m chilling with him | |||
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"Since Epsteins death,the whole story went really quiet, which is odd as this story literally has the potential to be one of the biggest stories of all time, given it's scope. " Very valid point might not be quiet for a while since the infamous interview now | |||
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" How come there are so many pictures of him with this young lady? " He says it is photo shopped and his fingers are chunkier. | |||
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" How come there are so many pictures of him with this young lady? He says it is photo shopped and his fingers are chunkier. " Awww , like after someone makes a offensive post on social media.... The go to line “ Someone broke into my account “ | |||
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"one word of advice.... whichever of your PR "minions" suggested you do that interview... sack them!! that was god awful..... seriously, what was anyone thinking... WTF!!!!!! " Yeah what a plonker. Lost all respect for him now and hope he gets what he deserves. | |||
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"It’s all shady as hell. The Epstein autopsy results show the hyoid bone was broken which (I read) is unusual in suicide but common in manual strangulation. It’s usually mentioned in episodes of Bones " Yeah i think he was murdered to be silenced | |||
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"Have been following the Epstein thing for quite a while now. Once you start going down the rabbit hole about this guy anything is possible. Everything has been written off as a conspiracy theory but the fact of the matter is when the rich and powerful are involved along with espionage etc anything and everything is possible. Things that seem incredible and impossible could be very true and because there are so many celebrities and high ranking people involved its all getting shoved under the rug. " I'm sure it was all a misunderstanding and he's innocent. | |||
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"The clip that I saw, he couldn't look the interviewer in the eye when he was answering the question. The eyes were darting. That's the body language of someone trying to remember something other than the truth. " Yes | |||
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"The clip that I saw, he couldn't look the interviewer in the eye when he was answering the question. The eyes were darting. That's the body language of someone trying to remember something other than the truth. " I commented earlier on but missed on this aspect. His Body Language was all over the place; it gave out negative signals, more so than his obviously coached verbal responses. | |||
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"Dear Prince Andrew, You're a knob." | |||
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"Can you really experience so much adrenalin that you can't sweat? " Without getting into the Andrew / Epstein debate as none of us know Jack Shit that actually happened but in answer to your point yes it can happen. Its one of the very many misunderstood and still evolving side effects of PTSD. In my case it was a total lack of belief in myself, a need to prove myself, aggressive arguing and Depression. Oh and OCD! Just remember this man flew helicopters in the Falklands War and saw Exocets flying OVER his head when we were all told they were low level missiles. He was also one of the first helos on scene when the Sir Gallahad was bombed, caught fire and so many Welsh Guards were injured terribly. He would also have been ferrying dead and dying men from battle. Many came home with PTSD for less and this was before PTSD was properly understood. | |||
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"His medical condition has been disapproved by specialists. It was a crass attempt to try and remind people he was a veteran imo. " OK care to give some links and sources for your statement? Nothing crass about being a veteran either ffs | |||
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"His medical condition has been disapproved by specialists. It was a crass attempt to try and remind people he was a veteran imo. OK care to give some links and sources for your statement? Nothing crass about being a veteran either ffs " Where did I say there was something crass about being a veteran. Read it again. And google it. Everybody is tripping over themselves to research it at the moment. | |||
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"His medical condition has been disapproved by specialists. It was a crass attempt to try and remind people he was a veteran imo. OK care to give some links and sources for your statement? Nothing crass about being a veteran either ffs Where did I say there was something crass about being a veteran. Read it again. And google it. Everybody is tripping over themselves to research it at the moment. " The picture editors immediately found sweaty pictures from the period in question. All with young women. | |||
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"His medical condition has been disapproved by specialists. It was a crass attempt to try and remind people he was a veteran imo. OK care to give some links and sources for your statement? Nothing crass about being a veteran either ffs " I thought he mentioned being a veteran just to change direction of the questions/conversation, regardless of the ins and outs of this dark side of his life he has pretty much led a double life. The courageous selfless veteran vs The ????(who really knows) BUT he was trying to deflect and I think it was pretty low to do that! | |||
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"His medical condition has been disapproved by specialists. It was a crass attempt to try and remind people he was a veteran imo. OK care to give some links and sources for your statement? Nothing crass about being a veteran either ffs I thought he mentioned being a veteran just to change direction of the questions/conversation, regardless of the ins and outs of this dark side of his life he has pretty much led a double life. The courageous selfless veteran vs The ????(who really knows) BUT he was trying to deflect and I think it was pretty low to do that! " Exactly a very crass attempt. | |||
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"His medical condition has been disapproved by specialists. It was a crass attempt to try and remind people he was a veteran imo. OK care to give some links and sources for your statement? Nothing crass about being a veteran either ffs I thought he mentioned being a veteran just to change direction of the questions/conversation, regardless of the ins and outs of this dark side of his life he has pretty much led a double life. The courageous selfless veteran vs The ????(who really knows) BUT he was trying to deflect and I think it was pretty low to do that! Exactly a very crass attempt. " 100% He just embarrassed himself I’m that interview! | |||
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"Can you really experience so much adrenalin that you can't sweat? Without getting into the Andrew / Epstein debate as none of us know Jack Shit that actually happened but in answer to your point yes it can happen. Its one of the very many misunderstood and still evolving side effects of PTSD. In my case it was a total lack of belief in myself, a need to prove myself, aggressive arguing and Depression. Oh and OCD! Just remember this man flew helicopters in the Falklands War and saw Exocets flying OVER his head when we were all told they were low level missiles. He was also one of the first helos on scene when the Sir Gallahad was bombed, caught fire and so many Welsh Guards were injured terribly. He would also have been ferrying dead and dying men from battle. Many came home with PTSD for less and this was before PTSD was properly understood." You believe this. Seriously... this guy has never seen a minute anywhere near danger in his life. . So many ways to fabricate all his heroics .... Propaganda... Body doubles and a lot more | |||
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"one word of advice.... whichever of your PR "minions" suggested you do that interview... sack them!! that was god awful..... seriously, what was anyone thinking... WTF!!!!!! " I think he ignored the advice he was given. He's that arrogant. | |||
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"Can you really experience so much adrenalin that you can't sweat? " In a word, no. I served in the Falklands at the same time as him and definitely experienced more adrenaline than he did. He was there, but very well "looked after". I was there and wasn't. I still sweat... | |||
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"I served in the Army, my brother flew rotary wing in the Navy before climbing the command ladder. He never served on the same vessel but would often meet him and knew him well. He didn't have many positive comments to make. He once described him as completely selfish and entitled, every bit opinionated as his father without any of the humour and without a degree of sense of duty. Some of the stories .... the man deserves no respect." Yep my brother was a chief Petty officer - met him several times & said he was a total arsehole. As did most others he was serving with. I believe he is guilty of what is being - haven't seen his interview but suspect he becomes across like the arrogant tosser he is | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. " I don’t get it??? | |||
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"Sadly this enforces the stereotypical view the royals are as thick as pig shit. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence would have done that interview. " I don't think they should all be tarred with the same brush. I don't know whether he is thick or he just thinks he's untouchable, because of his arrogance. | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. I don’t get it???" That's where he said he was as an alibi. | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. I don’t get it???" He said he was in Pizza express in Woking with his daughter , when the alleged incident took place. | |||
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"Sadly this enforces the stereotypical view the royals are as thick as pig shit. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence would have done that interview. I don't think they should all be tarred with the same brush. I don't know whether he is thick or he just thinks he's untouchable, because of his arrogance." I think the three brothers are all of them are remedial at best the gene pool was low to end up with three dunces. | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. I don’t get it??? That's where he said he was as an alibi." Oh and are there reviews about him or something then?? | |||
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"Sadly this enforces the stereotypical view the royals are as thick as pig shit. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence would have done that interview. I don't think they should all be tarred with the same brush. I don't know whether he is thick or he just thinks he's untouchable, because of his arrogance. I think the three brothers are all of them are remedial at best the gene pool was low to end up with three dunces. " Gosh, well I don't know them personally ,but remedial sounds a bit strong. | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. I don’t get it??? That's where he said he was as an alibi. Oh and are there reviews about him or something then??" I think the reviews are amusing takes on the situation | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. I don’t get it??? That's where he said he was as an alibi. Oh and are there reviews about him or something then?? I think the reviews are amusing takes on the situation " Ah I see xxx thankyou | |||
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"It was excruciating viewing. He didn't used to be able to sweat cuz he was in the Falklands?! Read the reviews of Pizza Express Woking...they are hilarious. I don’t get it??? That's where he said he was as an alibi." Boris was in five guys, in Luton that night He told me | |||
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"I find this thread rather curious. Prince Andrew may, by reason of gossip and second hand reports and demeanor, be a tosser. However has Prince Andrew been accused or charged by the New York police authorities of commiting an offence? To put it another way, what criminal offence has he commited? As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. Hence the angling by the woman involved lawyer for a trafficking offence. Watching BBC's report I saw the lawyer for the woman at the centre of the matter angling for Prince Andrew to voluntarily enter a legal process that reduces people, whether innocent or guilty, who enter into it to mincemeat. The following points come to my mind; firstly why is a civil lawyer getting involved in a criminal process. One would hazard the answer is to set Prince Andrew up for a civil case to sue for damages. Secondly the civil lawyer gets a percentage of the civil damages or any settlement made to make an embarrasdong case go away. I don't see the pursuit of Prince Andrew being about justice but about a pay day. Therefore I prefer to wait and see what the prosecuting authorities have to say about the matter." I think you're probably right. I said further up the interview doesn't make him guilty of anything but it was a bad move on his part I think. | |||
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" As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. ." He was in the US, where the rules are different. When in Rome . . . | |||
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"I find this thread rather curious. Prince Andrew may, by reason of gossip and second hand reports and demeanor, be a tosser. However has Prince Andrew been accused or charged by the New York police authorities of commiting an offence? To put it another way, what criminal offence has he commited? As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. Hence the angling by the woman involved lawyer for a trafficking offence. Watching BBC's report I saw the lawyer for the woman at the centre of the matter angling for Prince Andrew to voluntarily enter a legal process that reduces people, whether innocent or guilty, who enter into it to mincemeat. The following points come to my mind; firstly why is a civil lawyer getting involved in a criminal process. One would hazard the answer is to set Prince Andrew up for a civil case to sue for damages. Secondly the civil lawyer gets a percentage of the civil damages or any settlement made to make an embarrasdong case go away. I don't see the pursuit of Prince Andrew being about justice but about a pay day. Therefore I prefer to wait and see what the prosecuting authorities have to say about the matter." THIS! A well written counterpoint to the comments on here. Some of which are downright libellous and Fabs may want to remember it is THEY who are publishing these comments. This Thread epitomises why any man accused (lets me repeat this "ACCUSED") of a sexual crime is dead meat on social media like here. He is guilty before any charges are laid. He is destroyed by innuendo and inference and the conspiracy morons. To attempt a denial just confirms his guilt in the eyes of the judgmental. He has not been interviewed, arrested let alone charged with any offence by any Police force or served papers by any Prosecuting body anywhere in the world. THAT is the simple legal and basic FACT! He admitted still maintaining a friendship with Epstein was wrong, let everyone down and apologised. The rest he has denied right out as he should given he is currently INNOCENT! But being who he is and his position in the Royal Family this alone brings out the haters. | |||
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" As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. . He was in the US, where the rules are different. When in Rome . . . " He wasn't when the alleged incident first took place | |||
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"I find this thread rather curious. Prince Andrew may, by reason of gossip and second hand reports and demeanor, be a tosser. However has Prince Andrew been accused or charged by the New York police authorities of commiting an offence? To put it another way, what criminal offence has he commited? As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. Hence the angling by the woman involved lawyer for a trafficking offence. Watching BBC's report I saw the lawyer for the woman at the centre of the matter angling for Prince Andrew to voluntarily enter a legal process that reduces people, whether innocent or guilty, who enter into it to mincemeat. The following points come to my mind; firstly why is a civil lawyer getting involved in a criminal process. One would hazard the answer is to set Prince Andrew up for a civil case to sue for damages. Secondly the civil lawyer gets a percentage of the civil damages or any settlement made to make an embarrasdong case go away. I don't see the pursuit of Prince Andrew being about justice but about a pay day. Therefore I prefer to wait and see what the prosecuting authorities have to say about the matter. THIS! A well written counterpoint to the comments on here. Some of which are downright libellous and Fabs may want to remember it is THEY who are publishing these comments. This Thread epitomises why any man accused (lets me repeat this "ACCUSED") of a sexual crime is dead meat on social media like here. He is guilty before any charges are laid. He is destroyed by innuendo and inference and the conspiracy morons. To attempt a denial just confirms his guilt in the eyes of the judgmental. He has not been interviewed, arrested let alone charged with any offence by any Police force or served papers by any Prosecuting body anywhere in the world. THAT is the simple legal and basic FACT! He admitted still maintaining a friendship with Epstein was wrong, let everyone down and apologised. The rest he has denied right out as he should given he is currently INNOCENT! But being who he is and his position in the Royal Family this alone brings out the haters." Two excellent posts. I hope I'm never in the dock with this lot ^^^ on the jury. | |||
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"Can you really experience so much adrenalin that you can't sweat? " Doctor was asked about it and it can happen but never known to be caused by adrenaline. | |||
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"I find this thread rather curious. Prince Andrew may, by reason of gossip and second hand reports and demeanor, be a tosser. However has Prince Andrew been accused or charged by the New York police authorities of commiting an offence? To put it another way, what criminal offence has he commited? As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. Hence the angling by the woman involved lawyer for a trafficking offence. Watching BBC's report I saw the lawyer for the woman at the centre of the matter angling for Prince Andrew to voluntarily enter a legal process that reduces people, whether innocent or guilty, who enter into it to mincemeat. The following points come to my mind; firstly why is a civil lawyer getting involved in a criminal process. One would hazard the answer is to set Prince Andrew up for a civil case to sue for damages. Secondly the civil lawyer gets a percentage of the civil damages or any settlement made to make an embarrasdong case go away. I don't see the pursuit of Prince Andrew being about justice but about a pay day. Therefore I prefer to wait and see what the prosecuting authorities have to say about the matter. THIS! A well written counterpoint to the comments on here. Some of which are downright libellous and Fabs may want to remember it is THEY who are publishing these comments. This Thread epitomises why any man accused (lets me repeat this "ACCUSED") of a sexual crime is dead meat on social media like here. He is guilty before any charges are laid. He is destroyed by innuendo and inference and the conspiracy morons. To attempt a denial just confirms his guilt in the eyes of the judgmental. He has not been interviewed, arrested let alone charged with any offence by any Police force or served papers by any Prosecuting body anywhere in the world. THAT is the simple legal and basic FACT! He admitted still maintaining a friendship with Epstein was wrong, let everyone down and apologised. The rest he has denied right out as he should given he is currently INNOCENT! But being who he is and his position in the Royal Family this alone brings out the haters." Regarding your last line -Having a close personal relationship with a known and prolific child sex offender brought out the haters - NOT his family. You may also want to see if the Prince has ever been accused/associated with anything similar in the past that wasn't as well published in the media. He may be entirely innocent.... Like I've always said...let's WAIT before judging one way or the other I said the same when 39 bodies were discovered in a trailer - I was mobbed telling me how brexit/British government were to blame for the victims of war fleeing a war zone! Then we were told that they were Chinese - and the same group then mobbed me telling me they weren't victims of war, but victims of a massively oppressive Chinese government! I didn't get mobbed when it was confirmed that they were in fact Vietnamese nationals, in fact all of the vocal posters of previous days, didn't comment at all. Point of the story - don't go looking for guilt OR innocence, wait to find out facts! Then decide | |||
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"No one can assert guilt from the interview. Anyone saying that is a lying cunt. Although the interview definitely showed his arrogance and lack of understanding. Personally I didn’t really judge him before aside from the royals squashing the investigation 7 or 8 years ago. So due to his demeanor and shaky explanations he has given an impression of guilt." That isn't the only thing "squashed" for him over the years, which is what seems suspicious to me | |||
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"Put him on a lie detector test. Watch him "sweat" then.... Oh. Sorry... I forgot. He doesn't sweat! Lol" We need jezza Kyle on the case | |||
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" As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. . He was in the US, where the rules are different. When in Rome . . . " In the US, the age of consent varies state by state, and has individual conditions in those states. Depending upon the comparative ages of the participants, the age of consent in Arkansas can be just 7 years old | |||
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" As I see it even if he had sex with 17 year old, it may be deeply inappropriate but not illegal in the UK. . He was in the US, where the rules are different. When in Rome . . . He wasn't when the alleged incident first took place" Having had a nose about this, the legal age for sex is 17 in New York and 16 in the Virgin Islands, obviously 16 here. Now I am not saying there was no grooming going on as we obviously don't know all the facts but if he did have sex with this woman it was legal at every place she said they did However I think even legal age in some states is dependant on how much older the other person is as to whether it is legal or not | |||
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"Even if he was in Pizza Express Woking at 4 or 5pm, why couldn't he also be at Tramps in the early hours ? " Oooh you should have been interviewing him. Gotcha RandyAndy! | |||
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